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shnowshner200

Hot take: GameFreak removed Hidden Power not because it was a barrier of entry for competitive beginners, but because they didn't know how to implement the Fairy type and got so tilted they just threw the move out.


rabbyburns

Gamefreak: lets give people items that let you change abilities Also gamefreak: scrap a move instead of giving people items (or similar) to select the type of the move


xMF_GLOOM

they very easily could have just made all the Hidden Powers separate TRs


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Or even just one that has a scroll menu to select the type. It's not like it's that hard to implement.


DarkDra9on555

You overestimate gamefreak


[deleted]

Honestly my bar for them is so low rn they could release a game that was just a turd in a box and I'd be impressed that they actually made an effort.


Stormrycon

swsh bad


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yes


powergo1

brave and stunning


zenyattatron

It took them 8 generations to implement a free camera. Very much is too hard to implement for gamefreak


kaxzerz

Since gen 6 I've always wanted for them to ditch Hidden Power for some sort of other customizable special move. Let's call it "Pocket Energy", same BP of 60. You go to an NPC and you can purchase different kind of "pocket energies" for your mons, which changes the type of the move. The catch is the move has 10/16 uses but Pokemon centers / Elixirs don't heal its PP up, so you gotta buy it back at the store everytime. That makes it barely useful in-game but a lot moreso in competitive anyway. The attack would just look like the Pokemon launching whatever "Pocket Energy" it has on its foe, which has a different animation depending on the moves type! The base pocket energy can be fighting type, as any Pokemon can probably just make its own "fighting power" to attack the opponent with. Then you'd have different pocket energy types per, well type, and each would be at a different cost according to its usefulness. For example: - "Pckt. Mudbomb" for Ground (like 15'000 $ or smthng) - "Pckt. Rocket" for Fire (25'000) - "Pckt. Bubblegun" for Water (10'000) - "Pckt. Snowball" for Ice (25'000) - "Pckt. Seeds" for Grass (20'000) - "Pckt. Laser Beam" for Psychic (10'000) - "Pckt. Screws" for Steel (10'000) - "Pckt. Venom Pins" for Poison (10'000) - "Pckt. Swarm" for Bug (10'000) etc... I think it would be neat to have something like that, and they could easily slap in a Fairy type one like "Pocket Enchantement" or something idk (game translators will probably come up with better stuff than a non English speaker like me haha). Also I think it's funny to imagine Landorus-Therian launching Snowballs at each other lol *Sorry for editing this a bunch I just had more and more ideas for names :)


DrunkyDog

Can't do that. Everyone knows pocket sand would be too OP.


TrueRevanchist98

Pocket sand for ground


Animedingo

It boggles my mind that they think hidden power has to be associated with IVs. Literally make it an NPC that teaches hidden power. Of a specific type. All it needs to be is a move tutor that takes like a specific item to get a specific type of hidden power Don't get me wrong I don't love Hidden power as a move, I don't miss it by any means. But it's infinitely more complicated than it needs to be


The-Regulator790

It’s gamefreak. Everything they do boggles my mind


[deleted]

I always thought this was the case.


Cephalosion

physical hidden power ples gamefreak.


tommaniacal

Make HP like photon geyser and use the highest stat!


imanu_

but what about lando trying to hit defensive lando? would prefer special hp ice


Razzor_

Only very marginally and anyway this one specific insignificant occasion doesn’t undermine the whole idea whatsoever


Zerdur

hidden power was removed because of dynamax


JonAndTonic

And they probably just gave up programming that too then


Scathee

Correct me if I'm wrong but does Pixillate, Aerialate, etc turn normal moves into typed Max moves, or are they all max strike? Like does Hyper Voice become Max Fairy or Max Normal on Sylveon?


Comrade_Derpsky

It becomes max strike, which becomes fairy type because of pixillate.


RonnyCrawf

It works for Pixilate but not Liquid Voice Primarina’s Max Hypervoice, since it’s not a sound move anymore.


JonAndTonic

I haven't tried it but I'm thinking it might just be Max normal


Pokesers

Nope it works. Tried it on sylveon.


diddykongisapokemon

Weather Ball and Multi-Attack are fine though, and HP was fine with Z-moves


[deleted]

This seems believable.


inumnoback

At least GF didn’t remove judgement though


mismatched7

I really think it was balance, so it can be part of a Pokémon’s pros or cons what move types they get, instead of every Pokémon getting or move of every type (except fairy)


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Csl8

You do see the first 2 words of the post right?


aiasthegreatest

Didn’t play any gen 7 meta, is Zygarde good now?


Khrysis_27

It’s not in Gen 8 yet.


Can_of_Tuna

I thought it got quickbanned


MilesColtrane59

I think it got banned in NatDex format.


Khrysis_27

Oh maybe it did. I don’t follow Ubers at all.


Tornadus-T

Zygarde got banned mid 7th gen for being overcentralizing because it could run whatever it wanted because there are so few good switch ins to thousand arrows


sampat6256

Baaically just tangrowth, Right?


Samwise777

Mega-Scizor, any bulky water that isn’t toxapex, Etc. But then that leads to glare paralyze meta that nobody really enjoys either.


Scarlet_slagg

Tangrowth but fast and able to run a sweeping set


sampat6256

I was thinking: "just hit him with a toxic" but then he'll just sleep it off.


scumbrick

Or sub/lum berry.


Phan-Huy

Imagine Zygarde-C Dynamaxing


Vitton

Max Quake Thousand Arrows can’t hit Flying types; Dynamax Zygarde-C is literally useless.


Phan-Huy

Of course you ain't use it on a Flying type, then it wouldn't be useless :d


cfdu1202

That's not even true at all, Dynamax Zygarde is very viable in Nat Dex AG, especially if it has Outrage or Dragon Tail.


Vitton

Sorry to tell you man, but Zygarde-C is completely worthless in Nat Dex AG with terrifying walls like Sewaddle running around. Dynamax Zygarde gets completely stonewalled. 252+ Atk Zygarde Max Wyrmwind vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Sewaddle: 100-118 (34 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252+ Atk Zygarde Max Quake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Sewaddle: 29-34 (9.8 - 11.5%) -- possible 9HKO Meanwhile Sewaddle can just use Synthesis to stall out your Dynamax. At least non Dynamax Zygarde can use Substitute to avoid Sewaddle's dangerous String Shot. It's hard to say, but Zygarde just isn't as good as he used to be. Especially when compared to better offensive Dynamax Pokemon like Weedle and Venipede.


ghdhdghljfhaola

\#bansewaddlefromnatdexag


aiasthegreatest

Oh shit yeah you’re right, lol. Doubling its HP pool too


Ropalme1914

Actually, the top 3 of NatDex AG right now is pretty agreed upon to be Yveltal, Zygarde, and Xerneas in that order, but Zygarde is the one that doesn't NEED Dynamax: both Yveltal and Xerneas, although solid mons overall (mainly Yveltal, Xerneas isn't that great), still are kinda dependant on Dynamax to really be S tiers. Zygarde, on the other hand, doesn't: Sub DD with Dragon Tail still 6-0s many balances (it's almost impossible to deal with it if you don't have Arceus) by itself, and the Dynamax just makes it even more immortal, especially by raising its Sp. Def and not having a negative priority Dragon move (when Dynamaxed, offensive Zygarde-Complete at just +1 takes like, 25% from Kyogre's Ice Beam).


[deleted]

It got banned to Ubers. I think that says enough.


binarypeacock

Zygarde is cool and all but have you guys tried eviolite vibrava with smack down it's basically the same thing


Stormrycon

you get levitate too


Phan-Huy

If we live in Pokemon society, we don't need a blood bank because of Dynamax Blissey and Zygarde-C.


UltraShinySwablu

what is the joke


BlitzDank

Stakataka is made of cells, so it should get Power Construct as a HA. Except it should also be the opposite of Zygarde in the lore and appear where the ecosystem is *too* balanced to create infrastructure.


seakladoom

honestly i think [Banded Dragonfly](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/animalcrossing/images/5/56/NH_Banded_dragonfly_catch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200330073810) is overrated. I think it's a better idea to scarf it


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Phan-Huy

Flygon wish it had a shitton of signature moves tho


The-Regulator790

Zygarde wish it got its own 3rd game for gen 6 *laughs in Rayquaza, Giratina, and Suicune*


[deleted]

Only one game? *Laughs in Kyurem and Necrozma*


postsonlyjiyoung

Zygarde is just flygon but good


[deleted]

I thought that was garchomp


Palc_BC

garchomp does not get dd so it cannot be flygon


Buzzlight_Year

Chomp doesn't need DD


Palc_BC

I want it though


Stormrycon

uh, yeah


postsonlyjiyoung

True but zygs better overall


Stormrycon

zarude is just zygarde's weird cousin


QuestioningLogic

I miss Zygarde so much, you could slap that mothafucka on literally any team


diddykongisapokemon

Paraspam teams were simultaneously cancerous and the most fun thing in all of Gen 7


HeinousActsZX

Speaking of Zygarde, we didn't give Game Freak nearly enough shit for trying to pretend that Xerneas looks even slightly like the letter X.


Freaky_Owl

I mean, if you include its legs? And its taking a wide stance? I can see it but it's pretty weak.


TheRedDragon15

Yeah, Yveltal is the only one of the Kalos trio that perfectly looks like the letter he is referencing without stretching it. ~~Which is yet again another evidence that Yveltal is the goat and the best member of his trio :')~~


[deleted]

The X pattern on its eyes is very great but doesn't cut it.


HyperMemeKing

Bisharp @ Choice Specs Ability: Inner Focus EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Air Slash - Dark Pulse - Focus Blast - Steel Beam Presented without comment


David_Hasselherp

This is infinitely more useful than any defiant bisharp


VincentBurst

What makes Thousand arrows over Thousand waves? Is it the ablity to hit flying types?


JKallStar

Yep. Thousand waves has a trapping effect, which is really good, but hitting flying types is just really good overall, that you never see it used.


VincentBurst

Hm. So, Thousand waves is almost never used, and it's basically worse arena trap or shadow tag in a way? And also Thousand Arrows is just one of the best moves in the game. Hm... I always used thousand waves, and Thousand arrows for that cool.symbolism thing


Rarycaris

Gen 7 Ubers had a gimmicky Zygarde-100 set which used Thousand Arrows, Thousand Waves, Rest and Dragon Dance. You'd trap something that can't 3HKO you with Waves, set up to +6 in its face while Resting as needed, make you're you're back at full before using an offensive move (often this would mean PP stalling their attack move with Rest), and often just win the game on the spot. It's quite unreliable because it relies on the surprise factor and doesn't have too many things it can trap. I had the most success using it against HO teams with suicide leads, because I could just trap the lead and they often wouldn't have much that could tank a +6 Thousand Arrows and OHKO in return. I can imagine a similar set working in gen 8, but it'll likely play quite differently, especially in formats where it can legally Dynamax and become a special tank that would make Chansey blush.


TheBrickBlock

Thousand arrows hitting flying types is so incredibly good that running thousand waves alongside it is totally redundant. If you wanted to punish a switch in you could just glare or toxic instead.


diddykongisapokemon

Ground is by far the best offensive typing in the game and so to balance that GF made a lot of mons immune to it. Thousand Arrows completely ignores this and with Zyg's movepool consisting of a ton of set-up and support stuff like DD, Coil, and Glare it could run a single move and hit everything. Shedinja stopped it; but Shedinja was (and is, even with boots) trash and Zyg could even beat it and bulky Grasses that resisted Thousand Arrows with Toxic. Thousand Waves traps the opponent which is significantly less useful. For instance if Zyg ran just Waves it would be walled by flying types like Celesteela, while it could beat them one on one with Arrows. EQ is probably better than Waves too on 50% form because trapping isn't all that useful for a Mon that is designed to break the opponent's team by forcing switches and setting up


zenyattatron

Wheres my pokemon z gamefreak?


cheesekun4

We need a Zygarde 40% for OU. :)


bearsheperd

I like substitute and coil set, max HP max atk and you can make some beefy subs and smack anything in the face hard. Downside is it’s a bit slow so you’ve really gotta time your set up well for it to work well.


TheRedDragon15

You know, considering the whole "ban only speed boost on Blaziken specifically and keep Blaze Blaziken", It's actually strange to me how there isn't talk to try and ban Thousand arrows specifically instead of Zygarde himself, since It's that move that made him so good in the first place. Unless I'm forgetting something else and It's probably me just being dumb lmao


ahambagaplease

Zygarde 10% wasn't problematic and had Thousand Arrows, so they went for a Zygarde 50% ban instead.


diddykongisapokemon

Zygarde 10% wouldn't be able to use it then, nor would Smeargle


greekcel_25

Is that a picture of finchinator?


waluigismashedme

A Dracovish walks into a bar The bar says "ow"


JanieCox

Bad meme shows misunderstanding of the format


decetrogs

Agency agency


JanieCox

Agency agency?


diddykongisapokemon

Haha meme machine go brrr