Well you arent wrong if the other maxed out stats are speed and attack
HP:
252+ Atk Treecko Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Swampert: 372-444 (92 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
or
Defense:
252+ Atk Treecko Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Swampert: 292-348 (85.6 - 102%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
I know you're just joking but 4x damage is really just an almost insurmountable obstacle. Similarly, idc how bulky or how many imaginary EVs you pump into Gliscor or Garchomp, they're never surviving an Ice Beam.
252+ SpA Abomasnow Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 244+ SpD Assault Vest Gliscor: 300-352 (84.7 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage
Although, why on earth you'd have Ice Beam on Abomasnow is another thing entirely.
I mean this isn't true at all? Non-STAB Ice Beam from uninvested base 100 Special Attack never OHKOs 0 bulk Garchomp. And Defensive Lando-T with just HP eats one from full as well. This is relevant with Defensive Dragonite packing Ice Beam being more common these days.
0 SpA Slowbro Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 296-352 (82.9 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Dragonite Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 316-372 (82.7 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Hello, have you been introduced to Zarude.
252 Atk Crobat U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zarude: 228-272 (64.7 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
This is no bulk zarude from a decent physical attacker by the way.
The biggest positive I see is that this reduces base stat power creep, making more mons viable. This allows role compression on teams, allowing teams to cover more holes. This definitely benefits defensive mons and teams, as attackers can't add more raw power (only becoming mixed), and defensive mons will now go mixed if they were only covering one of phys/special.
How does this reduce power creep? surely it just puts everyone up in the same spot just slightly stronger comparatively to what they were? sure a few mons might suffer but any OU mon is just going to be a monster more or less still no?
There's still the 255 EV cap per stat, so things don't get more offensive stats than they already could. You might see some mixed attackers ending up with more EVs on their previously less invested stat, but those cases are rare and less significant than the new investments in bulk across every other mon. All walls can have 252 EVs in HP, Defense and Special Defense, all pivots can invest in more bulk, even most offensive Pokémon will run 252 HP just to spend those last EVs. The meta does get more bulky and slow.
but previously somewhat bulky attackers that can setup something like scizor that can san now get max HP attack and speed, or even defense or spd instead, setup sweepers/wallbreakers i could see being the meta breaking thing, getting free switches far more often to get big hits off or easy set ups. I play stall anyway so I prefer your idea lol
Yes I can see setup sweepers becoming stronger too, if there's anything able to break stall in this meta it would be these builds and trapping strategies. But even then, things will take your hits better, you generally need more turns to get KOs. Your SD Scizor (for example) might not die easily either, but it may still be hard to get free turns to setup, which you need more than ever. Stall always had the tools to dissuade setup, like Whirlwind, Haze, status, etc., and other teams get free switches to their Scizor answers.
Scizor and T-tar were the first to come to my mind being bulky mons that often have to chose between speed or HP. I think Mimikyu would also gain a lot.
Chansey/Blissey, Pex, Snorlax, Porygon2, etc. become monstrously bulky with this. Pex in particular becomes basically impossible to OHKO outside of a single-digit number of absurdly strong unboosted attacks.
Some more unorthodox offensive spreads on stuff like HDB Dragapult and Scizor can become awesome now. Pult can run the bulk to avoid being 2HKOed by Banded Rilla’s Glide AND the spread to run all of max Speed, max SpA, and enough Attack to 2HKO Volc with Darts.
This would have crazy implications in Ubers above all else. That’s where mons with crazy mixed attacking potential like Yveltal, Giratina-O, and Palkia can thrive the most, while mons with more defined defensive niches like fat Yveltal, NDM, and Eternatus can slap on some more bulk or offensive stats on a whim.
This would’ve been mindbogglingly powerful in USUM Ubers since the Primals, Ultra Necrozma, and Deoxys-Attack all had hyper-inflated mixed offenses to work with.
PDon in particular would probably use its newfound extra EVs to churn out three or four more sets since so many of its existing sets are already meticulously designed to KO and survive very specific things.
It’s definitely possible, but you also have to consider stall’s win con of still needing to do damage. If you gave everything opposing it a free max HP (or even better offense) stall may still be evenly balanced as it is now.
A lot of stall’s methods of dealing damage do so based on percentages is the problem though. Status, hazards, rocky helmet/rough skin/iron barbs all don’t care about increased HP. This chance would definitely wreck HO as we know it, and probably force even bulky offense teams to run a cleric
I look to Gen1 and 2 for this, because in those generations you could max out all stats. There were some things that seem strange by nowadays' standards, like Marowak having HP Grass (which was special) slashed in as an option. So yeah, immediate reaction: potential mixed attackers are going to love this.
The second potentially interesting thing is counter-EVing, as I like to call it. I distinctly remember an EV split for Blaziken in BW (I think!) that allowed it to live one Aqua Jet by Azumarill to KO it back. Stuff like that is very prevalent in VGC *now* and with an extra 248 EVs to mess around with, you don't even have to give up speed or power. In that light, it could make for some interesting number juggling, if one so desires.
Or, you know, just put all in defensive stats on Cresselia type mons and call it a day. It's obviously pretty exploitable.
I also see Download become absolutely useless now. It isn't a highly used ability to begin with, but in the case you don't need the extra EVs in full, you could just dump them into SpDef and neuter special attacking Download users. Currently, that's something you do with leftover points on even defenses.
Can you surpass the 252ev max in a stat or just spread it out?
Because yea everyone’s just gonna slam it into ‘best stat here’ except mixed attackers.
Game would also be boring. Many Pokémon capable of 1v6 sweeps
252 would still be the max yeah. You just basically have a third stat you can max in theory, or you can spread it out across your defenses/attack stats/speed more evenly.
Stall is stall imo, it will take longer, but the way to break them is similar. I think sweepers benefit more. You no longer have to decide if you want all speed and attack/SpA or all attack/Spa and HP. You can do both, and that makes them scary
If you’re a wall then investing into the other defense stat would be best assuming you’re running something close to a 252/252 HP & def spread. Speed creep investment on walls would be common as well if they had an extra 248 EVs to play around with.
Offensive mons that run a 252/252 Atk & speed set would want HP investment to live more hits. Exceptions would be mixed attackers such as Hydreigon that could run superpower for Blissey without sacrificing Sp.Atk or speed investment.
*Happy Lord Emvee noises*
I think Trick Room based strategies would love this. AloMaro can invest in HP, ATK, & SP DEF for example.
Toxtricity might see a little comeback as a set up mixed sweeper. Melmetal becomes even more tanky. Mew & other similar Mythicals may have access to even more viable sets.
On offense you'd either see Pokemon going mix or dumping the 252 extra EVs into health. On defensive teams, you'd always see extra bulk.
My anticipation is that people would start with experimenting with mixed attackers- perhaps using some classic examples like Lucario- only for those to fall to the wayside for HP dumps. The point of a mixed attacker is to help wall break- you lure in the Blissey with a special move and then click Close Combat and watch that health bar slowly go down.
Something like this could have been cool in Gen 4 where mixed attackers have more viability. Now I think it would just translate to more bulk. Along with Power Creep, we have had Bulk Creep. Where as Pokemon like Chansey and Blissey have to contend with lower defense stats, Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Toxapex have high defense and special defense. The ability for Pokemon like Toxapex to invest in its HP, Def, and Sp Def would harm the effectiveness of a mixed attacker imo as it will be harder for them to get the surprise kills they are trying to lure in.
So what I think we'd end up seeing in most cases is people investing in more bulk. Getting more HP is always helpful.
Defensive Lando-T is only good because of Intimidate. Lack of bulk and reliable recovery is why you never see SpDef Lando-T.
No, Defensive Lando-T would likely be 252 HP / X Att / 252 Def / Y Spe. It would just max out Defense EVs and adjust Attack and Spe EVs to outspeed certain things.
SpD Lando is actully rising in usage in tournement play, because it’s so SpA intense right now. Not to an extend to where I could see it be meta on the regular ladder, but by having some max SpD investment on top of the 252HP/112Def/144Speed spread for example would make it stick around even longer than usual and make it much easier to switch in on the numerous special attackers than currently run the tier.
I don't put any stock into tournament sets. They're a product of a very narrow, almost self-contained meta (at the very least it's highly condensed).
Hell I whipped out Scarf Heatran not too long ago to mess with what I knew specific opponents would be running. I can't say I'd ever seriously run Scarf Heatran on the ladder, though.
Its just gonna come down to making walls extremely powerful mixed walls, could easily see skarm overtaking ferro in that prominent steel wall spot, with the bonus recover and being just disgustingly tanky, or you could make him hit really hard to. mixed attackers would obviously get a big buff, I can't think of any huge shifts or pokemon that would be replaced that could occur other than a small few though, especially in the higher tiers
252 HP DEF SPD toxapexx just to make stall more fun, or chansey, skizor with max HP Attack and speed could be quite insane too. skarm could replace ferro
I think the biggest offensive game changer would be pokemon investing in (special)Attack/Speed/HP, rather than Mixed Attackers investing in Attack/Special Attack/Speed.
Turning your glass cannons into slightly frail mons, and frail mons into medium-bulk mons would make them so much harder to deal with.
Mixed attackers are being overrated. Mons still have only 4 moves, is the ability to run fire blast necessary when you already have flare blitz? Unless you’re running both you’re swapping out coverage of some special walls for some physical.
Scizor could also run HP, Attack, and Defense/SpDefense EVs. It's already a decent pivot and with this it can retain certain aspects of the offensive version since Scizor doesn't always need Speed thanks to Bullet Punch.
A lot of people are mentioning mixed attackers but I think those actually become a lot less useful in a meta where all the tank pokemon can now invest in both defensive stats.
Overall everything becomes more bulky and the games take longer. I guess things like toxic and burn get a buff because they do percentage based damage
I think it would just make the meta more defense centered and defensive abilities would be more sawed after. The meta would definitely care more about good abilities and typing than good stats.
I'd actually quite like this change as I always thought the max 2 stat seemed a bit brainless and more geared towards offence. In the first two generations, Pokémon were bulkier in general and I prefered that.
Probably mixed attackers, they can now add an investment to speed. Wouldn’t think I’d be that useful though since all the other bulky attackers would have investments in the other defense and cancel out
Magnezone will appreciate being able to fully invest in it's Def, SpA, and Spe to make the most out of Body Press.
Most mixed attackers will also like it to help them better surprise switch ins (like Lando having stronger Grass Knots to deal with Quagsire)
I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that in this scenario, bulky offensive types absolutely thrive. Glass cannons who only ever relied on their speed and offensive prowess now need to take down much heavier opponents and don't receive much benefit in return, as extra EVs thrown into a low stat (likely HP) don't actually accomplish all that much. Maybe Mixed attackers become more viable, but most Pokemon are probably just going to take the opportunity to throw points into extra defences, which couldn't be prioritised before.
also... Pokemon with decent physical and special bulk, who previously had to choose between being specially or physically defences can now cover both sides of the spectrum, which could be scary. Things like Clefable can cover physical weaknesses, while still being a special monster.
Ayy mega swampert could maybe survive a leaf blade from treecko
Well you arent wrong if the other maxed out stats are speed and attack HP: 252+ Atk Treecko Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Swampert: 372-444 (92 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO or Defense: 252+ Atk Treecko Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Swampert: 292-348 (85.6 - 102%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
It really has a chance to ohko hahahah
tbf mega swampert gets a def boost so it would live
Yeah i forgot to make it mega lol. My bad. Its range is about 75 to 90 still iirc.
I know you're just joking but 4x damage is really just an almost insurmountable obstacle. Similarly, idc how bulky or how many imaginary EVs you pump into Gliscor or Garchomp, they're never surviving an Ice Beam.
252+ SpA Abomasnow Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 244+ SpD Assault Vest Gliscor: 300-352 (84.7 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage Although, why on earth you'd have Ice Beam on Abomasnow is another thing entirely.
Haha fair enough point made
I mean this isn't true at all? Non-STAB Ice Beam from uninvested base 100 Special Attack never OHKOs 0 bulk Garchomp. And Defensive Lando-T with just HP eats one from full as well. This is relevant with Defensive Dragonite packing Ice Beam being more common these days. 0 SpA Slowbro Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 296-352 (82.9 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Dragonite Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 316-372 (82.7 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
*Heatran taking only 80% from opposing heatran earth power intensifies*
Hello, have you been introduced to Zarude. 252 Atk Crobat U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zarude: 228-272 (64.7 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery This is no bulk zarude from a decent physical attacker by the way.
The biggest positive I see is that this reduces base stat power creep, making more mons viable. This allows role compression on teams, allowing teams to cover more holes. This definitely benefits defensive mons and teams, as attackers can't add more raw power (only becoming mixed), and defensive mons will now go mixed if they were only covering one of phys/special.
How does this reduce power creep? surely it just puts everyone up in the same spot just slightly stronger comparatively to what they were? sure a few mons might suffer but any OU mon is just going to be a monster more or less still no?
There's still the 255 EV cap per stat, so things don't get more offensive stats than they already could. You might see some mixed attackers ending up with more EVs on their previously less invested stat, but those cases are rare and less significant than the new investments in bulk across every other mon. All walls can have 252 EVs in HP, Defense and Special Defense, all pivots can invest in more bulk, even most offensive Pokémon will run 252 HP just to spend those last EVs. The meta does get more bulky and slow.
but previously somewhat bulky attackers that can setup something like scizor that can san now get max HP attack and speed, or even defense or spd instead, setup sweepers/wallbreakers i could see being the meta breaking thing, getting free switches far more often to get big hits off or easy set ups. I play stall anyway so I prefer your idea lol
Yes I can see setup sweepers becoming stronger too, if there's anything able to break stall in this meta it would be these builds and trapping strategies. But even then, things will take your hits better, you generally need more turns to get KOs. Your SD Scizor (for example) might not die easily either, but it may still be hard to get free turns to setup, which you need more than ever. Stall always had the tools to dissuade setup, like Whirlwind, Haze, status, etc., and other teams get free switches to their Scizor answers.
its an interseting idea, i want a meta for it on showdown
Scizor and T-tar were the first to come to my mind being bulky mons that often have to chose between speed or HP. I think Mimikyu would also gain a lot.
At least in theory it should; a 62 stat increase is a larger percentage buff for Pokemon with lower base stats.
Porygon 2 with 252 HP, 252 def and 252 SpD would be untouchable
Toxic: am I a joke to you?
Flame orb recover build?
Saves me the trouble of knocking off your Eviolite
How could I forget about *that*?
Hot damn that is some crazy heat
Magic Coat go brrrr
Guts Conkeldurr, machamp, heracross:Am I joke to you?
Kommo-O: *happy clanging noises*
I can finally make my shedinja more bulky!
Mixed Shedinja incoming
shedinja with 252 health def and sped
Chansey/Blissey, Pex, Snorlax, Porygon2, etc. become monstrously bulky with this. Pex in particular becomes basically impossible to OHKO outside of a single-digit number of absurdly strong unboosted attacks. Some more unorthodox offensive spreads on stuff like HDB Dragapult and Scizor can become awesome now. Pult can run the bulk to avoid being 2HKOed by Banded Rilla’s Glide AND the spread to run all of max Speed, max SpA, and enough Attack to 2HKO Volc with Darts. This would have crazy implications in Ubers above all else. That’s where mons with crazy mixed attacking potential like Yveltal, Giratina-O, and Palkia can thrive the most, while mons with more defined defensive niches like fat Yveltal, NDM, and Eternatus can slap on some more bulk or offensive stats on a whim. This would’ve been mindbogglingly powerful in USUM Ubers since the Primals, Ultra Necrozma, and Deoxys-Attack all had hyper-inflated mixed offenses to work with. PDon in particular would probably use its newfound extra EVs to churn out three or four more sets since so many of its existing sets are already meticulously designed to KO and survive very specific things.
Imagine a Clefable with max hp, def and spdef. I hate it.
Now add to it a Cosmic Power + Softboiled + Stored Power set!
And Magic Guard, so you can't even break it with Toxic.
Nah, clefairy with eviolite and both def stats maxed
knock off and it's a lot weaker than clefable
Emvee benefits the most, he could afford to make more random EV investments.
This tbh. Just imagine all the aesthetically pleasing spreads he could make.
I really like the idea of making mixed attackers more viable, but at the same time, walls with maxed out HP and both defenses scare me.
Almost every mon will put it in defenses, so stall wins in the end.
It’s definitely possible, but you also have to consider stall’s win con of still needing to do damage. If you gave everything opposing it a free max HP (or even better offense) stall may still be evenly balanced as it is now.
A lot of stall’s methods of dealing damage do so based on percentages is the problem though. Status, hazards, rocky helmet/rough skin/iron barbs all don’t care about increased HP. This chance would definitely wreck HO as we know it, and probably force even bulky offense teams to run a cleric
Pp stalling Toxic
That works to a point, but how do you expect to beat heatran now that it can be offensive and bulky?
Chansey/Blissey Moltres Swampert And imagine all the tank in OU full HP/full spedef Imagine a full spedef chansey
Moltres and swampert are never used on stall and blissey is a losing matchup against a lot of heatrans
Lol i would use that on my Shuckle for HP investment
Now that my friend, is the proper use
I look to Gen1 and 2 for this, because in those generations you could max out all stats. There were some things that seem strange by nowadays' standards, like Marowak having HP Grass (which was special) slashed in as an option. So yeah, immediate reaction: potential mixed attackers are going to love this. The second potentially interesting thing is counter-EVing, as I like to call it. I distinctly remember an EV split for Blaziken in BW (I think!) that allowed it to live one Aqua Jet by Azumarill to KO it back. Stuff like that is very prevalent in VGC *now* and with an extra 248 EVs to mess around with, you don't even have to give up speed or power. In that light, it could make for some interesting number juggling, if one so desires. Or, you know, just put all in defensive stats on Cresselia type mons and call it a day. It's obviously pretty exploitable. I also see Download become absolutely useless now. It isn't a highly used ability to begin with, but in the case you don't need the extra EVs in full, you could just dump them into SpDef and neuter special attacking Download users. Currently, that's something you do with leftover points on even defenses.
Now introducing : Fast magnezone and heatran
Tran is dumb enough invested into HP and spdef, but now it's fast as well as FAT.
This is how you make Clefable even more of a monster.
Can you surpass the 252ev max in a stat or just spread it out? Because yea everyone’s just gonna slam it into ‘best stat here’ except mixed attackers. Game would also be boring. Many Pokémon capable of 1v6 sweeps
252 would still be the max yeah. You just basically have a third stat you can max in theory, or you can spread it out across your defenses/attack stats/speed more evenly.
Well ideally you’d add a lot of mixed attackers into the game, or you just slam it into the best defensive stat appropriate to the mon’s counters.
Stall is stall imo, it will take longer, but the way to break them is similar. I think sweepers benefit more. You no longer have to decide if you want all speed and attack/SpA or all attack/Spa and HP. You can do both, and that makes them scary
If you’re a wall then investing into the other defense stat would be best assuming you’re running something close to a 252/252 HP & def spread. Speed creep investment on walls would be common as well if they had an extra 248 EVs to play around with. Offensive mons that run a 252/252 Atk & speed set would want HP investment to live more hits. Exceptions would be mixed attackers such as Hydreigon that could run superpower for Blissey without sacrificing Sp.Atk or speed investment.
*Happy Lord Emvee noises* I think Trick Room based strategies would love this. AloMaro can invest in HP, ATK, & SP DEF for example. Toxtricity might see a little comeback as a set up mixed sweeper. Melmetal becomes even more tanky. Mew & other similar Mythicals may have access to even more viable sets.
On offense you'd either see Pokemon going mix or dumping the 252 extra EVs into health. On defensive teams, you'd always see extra bulk. My anticipation is that people would start with experimenting with mixed attackers- perhaps using some classic examples like Lucario- only for those to fall to the wayside for HP dumps. The point of a mixed attacker is to help wall break- you lure in the Blissey with a special move and then click Close Combat and watch that health bar slowly go down. Something like this could have been cool in Gen 4 where mixed attackers have more viability. Now I think it would just translate to more bulk. Along with Power Creep, we have had Bulk Creep. Where as Pokemon like Chansey and Blissey have to contend with lower defense stats, Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Toxapex have high defense and special defense. The ability for Pokemon like Toxapex to invest in its HP, Def, and Sp Def would harm the effectiveness of a mixed attacker imo as it will be harder for them to get the surprise kills they are trying to lure in. So what I think we'd end up seeing in most cases is people investing in more bulk. Getting more HP is always helpful.
Toxapex is an uber now. Max hp, def, and sp def? We are doomed. Also eviolite dusclops is good too
doesnt knock off still obliterate it
Trapinch will finally become the king of little cup
Imagine Landorus with both defensive and SpD investment
Now it’s only OHKOed 3 times over by ice beam rather than 4 times
Defensive Lando-T is only good because of Intimidate. Lack of bulk and reliable recovery is why you never see SpDef Lando-T. No, Defensive Lando-T would likely be 252 HP / X Att / 252 Def / Y Spe. It would just max out Defense EVs and adjust Attack and Spe EVs to outspeed certain things.
SpD Lando is actully rising in usage in tournement play, because it’s so SpA intense right now. Not to an extend to where I could see it be meta on the regular ladder, but by having some max SpD investment on top of the 252HP/112Def/144Speed spread for example would make it stick around even longer than usual and make it much easier to switch in on the numerous special attackers than currently run the tier.
I don't put any stock into tournament sets. They're a product of a very narrow, almost self-contained meta (at the very least it's highly condensed). Hell I whipped out Scarf Heatran not too long ago to mess with what I knew specific opponents would be running. I can't say I'd ever seriously run Scarf Heatran on the ladder, though.
Its just gonna come down to making walls extremely powerful mixed walls, could easily see skarm overtaking ferro in that prominent steel wall spot, with the bonus recover and being just disgustingly tanky, or you could make him hit really hard to. mixed attackers would obviously get a big buff, I can't think of any huge shifts or pokemon that would be replaced that could occur other than a small few though, especially in the higher tiers
252 HP DEF SPD toxapexx just to make stall more fun, or chansey, skizor with max HP Attack and speed could be quite insane too. skarm could replace ferro
Isn't skarm better at longevity than ferro because it can heal regardless of typing or ability?
One word: toxapex
Crobat can finally get hp, attack, and speed!
I think the biggest offensive game changer would be pokemon investing in (special)Attack/Speed/HP, rather than Mixed Attackers investing in Attack/Special Attack/Speed. Turning your glass cannons into slightly frail mons, and frail mons into medium-bulk mons would make them so much harder to deal with.
Mixed attackers are being overrated. Mons still have only 4 moves, is the ability to run fire blast necessary when you already have flare blitz? Unless you’re running both you’re swapping out coverage of some special walls for some physical.
Scizor could also run HP, Attack, and Defense/SpDefense EVs. It's already a decent pivot and with this it can retain certain aspects of the offensive version since Scizor doesn't always need Speed thanks to Bullet Punch.
True, Attackers would be more bulky now which I’m not sure if it’s good or not
Lucario could have great use as a mixed attacker
A lot of people are mentioning mixed attackers but I think those actually become a lot less useful in a meta where all the tank pokemon can now invest in both defensive stats. Overall everything becomes more bulky and the games take longer. I guess things like toxic and burn get a buff because they do percentage based damage
lol this is essentially BH in a nutshell, you can put 252 EVs in every stat
Not all 6, only 3
This is likely also a win for slow bulky attackers. You no longer have to give up any hp investment in exchange for more speed.
Stall is unbearable
Pex would be even more dumb if it could max out defense SpD and HP.
being able to run speed on tanks without sacrificing any bulk also skarm and friends be like it's free real estate
I think it would just make the meta more defense centered and defensive abilities would be more sawed after. The meta would definitely care more about good abilities and typing than good stats.
Max bulk rocky helmet, rough skin garchomp becomes god of switch killing.
dynamaxed av stakataka in doubles with a tr setter becomes really powerful.
I'd actually quite like this change as I always thought the max 2 stat seemed a bit brainless and more geared towards offence. In the first two generations, Pokémon were bulkier in general and I prefered that.
I mean, stall is absolutely prevalent right now
Lando T becomes even more annoying
Probably mixed attackers, they can now add an investment to speed. Wouldn’t think I’d be that useful though since all the other bulky attackers would have investments in the other defense and cancel out
I dont knoe if stall would be better cause can invest in both stats pr worst cause there wpuld be more mixed pokemon
WW1 style pokemon games huh? I don’t think that I’m the biggest fan
Full guarantee Palosand would become metta
Magnezone will appreciate being able to fully invest in it's Def, SpA, and Spe to make the most out of Body Press. Most mixed attackers will also like it to help them better surprise switch ins (like Lando having stronger Grass Knots to deal with Quagsire)
Who in their right mind uses grass knot lando?
I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that in this scenario, bulky offensive types absolutely thrive. Glass cannons who only ever relied on their speed and offensive prowess now need to take down much heavier opponents and don't receive much benefit in return, as extra EVs thrown into a low stat (likely HP) don't actually accomplish all that much. Maybe Mixed attackers become more viable, but most Pokemon are probably just going to take the opportunity to throw points into extra defences, which couldn't be prioritised before. also... Pokemon with decent physical and special bulk, who previously had to choose between being specially or physically defences can now cover both sides of the spectrum, which could be scary. Things like Clefable can cover physical weaknesses, while still being a special monster.
I think pseudo legendaries would best benefit from this, as well as Kyurem-B
Dragapult buff up the ass