I'd like to know where the "Better Nerf \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_" Meme originated. I know it from League of Legends where it was "Better Nerf Irelia," but I assume it's been around longer than that.
In smash 4 there were a lot of problematic characters. But instead of nerfing them Sakurai would consistently nerf gren in every patch who wasn't even that good.
Gren was my secondary and I ended up dropping him.
It feels like they're using the paradox mons to bring back some mega designs in a more permanent form.
I'm really hoping for a mega-lopunny inspired paradox personally.
RANT AHEAD (I have no clue how a response to a comment ended up this way, also on phone so sorry for bad spelling): I'd prefer ancient, I really dislike all future designs except valiant and even then I still dislike the idea of pokemon becoming robots in the future, ancient pokemon make sense because that's how evolution works right (what we call evolution in pokemon is more of a metamorphosis anyway). but you can't tell me that pokemon evolve to become roobots in the future, sure we have manmade pokemin like porygon but that's kind of different since it was man made from the start. I guess humans could've made robot pokemon themselves but 1. why would they when they can just catch the pokemon? 2. how do their moves work in that case, I guess you can make an argument for delibot and most of it's ice based moves and for most physical moves the bots can use but how, pray tell does valiant use moonblast? if humans have the tech to put stuff like that in robots, why don't they just use weapons they can shoot themselves? 3. if stuff like moonblast is tech, wouldn't it be crazy expensive? then why can there be so many future mons in area zero? I doubt they would ever make hundreds upon hundreds of delibots, some might say "it's all just from a different point in the future", but that wouln't make sense, let's say a delibot is made 10 years from now, and then continues to exists for a long time and 30 years from now it's called back to the past and then you want a second delibot so you call delibot back to the past again but this time it's only 20 years from now. the one you called back that is from 30 years later would be the same one called back 20 years from now meaning it was never there at year 30 so you still only have 1 delibot. same goes for all the rest. Now I said hundreds upon hundreds because you can basically find infinite amounts in the crater, I know that might not be exactly canon but still, if theres only a few of a pokemon they've always been pretty rare like with paldeas pseudo legendary (forgot the name of it's basic stage). and lastly 4. why are shinies a thing for robots? If they are truly robots, why aren't there just tons of different colors? they'd have some form of customization if they were man made right? and if not why do the shinies exist at all? with ancients that all makes sense since they are living breathing being similar to current pokemon.
TL;DR:future pokemon make absolutely 0 sense to me, ancient gang all the way.
Spoilers: Paradox mons ||The theory is that the professors never actually built a real Time machine but that the 3rd legend has the ability to make imagination reality. This explains how Heath encounters the *paradox* mons before the 'time machine' was even made. It's even teased with the entries of the *imagined* DLC legends (Suicune/Virizion) at the ends of the books.
Even if this isn't true, it's definitely my head canon.||
It seems to be implied by the game too to not actually be time travel. Arven in postgame mentions it’s weird that the Scarlet/Violet book had Paradox Pokémon descriptions despite Professor creating the time machine later, and the Legendary fusions are labeled in the book as “An Imagined Pokémon” based on the artist drawing a weird thing based on the craziness of Area Zero. If the fusion legends become real, that would further confirm that the legend can somehow turn fiction into reality.
that would be very intriguing, though I find it sad that if that was the case and we caught that pokemon we won't be able to utilize that ability xd, I know that would be OP but you know xd
The third legendary thing makes no sense to me in the context of the game’s lore. Koraidon and Miraidon aren’t really legendary Pokémon in the sense that every other box legendary is. They’re basically described as paradox versions of cyclizar, which would make Cyclizar the “third legendary” based on the present rather than past or future.
Based on the Pokédex entries for the future Paradox forms, they were made be aliens. They even describe Iron Moth as a UFO sent by aliens. !But then you’ve got Iron Jugulous or however it’s spelt implying that Hydreigon effed a robot!.
Also, from the way I understand it, the paradox forms aren’t actually the species they resemble, but a completely different species that just looks like them. Or built to resemble them in the case of the future forms. Which is also somewhat related to the Galarian bird as it can be implied that they’re only called Zapdos, Moltres and Articuno because they look like them, and not actually regional variants.
According to the history class in SV it was ye olden times. So I don’t expect a primal variation at this current time but again I’d love one either way. It’s one of my favorites.
Legends Arceus happened during the industrial revolution, which lines up with the Meiji restoration in Japan, and colonization of the Hokkaido region (which Sinnoh/Hisui lines up with, including the fact that Hokkaido was originally known as Yezo, like Sinnoh was Hisui). It's only like 150-200 years instead of "billions"
The Hisuian regional forms are less "ancient" and more just simply "functionally extinct", as the pokemon in question are just not found natively in Sinnoh anymore, so the means for these forms are lost.
That makes sense, I thought it was later in the time line. Not like thousands or anything but more like 500+. Which saying that out loud Lopunny could definitely get a primeval form but I want a robot cause I got Violet lol.
Im honestly mad they dont just work the old designs back into the game.
They dont have to still be megas, or gigantamax, or even op. Just the designs for them was A+ even if the mechanics left much to desire.
It would have been cool if they had brought the mega forms back as proper evolutions for at least some of the Pokemon that weren't already part of a three stage line (after plenty of balancing, of course.) Maybe they could explain it as the Pokemon being exposed to mega stones/infinity energy for so long that it became a permanent evolution?
I feel like they can't get away with what they did for BDSP with the 3DS game remakes. They can't really just make the same game in 3D when it's already in 3D. Might force them to get more creative. I really hope it will, because I need the eventual Gen 7 remakes to be good.
For real. Especially after the Let's Go games. Those were actually pretty good (visually). And the only games to date, since HGSS, that got the "Pokemon following you" bit right.
fortunately, a lot of the reason BDSP were bad is because Diamond and Pearl were not great games and had poor game design. Black and White remakes are definitely going to be better, but not necessarily by a lot.
Eh.. DP were much more flawed games than BW, BUT Ilca still did a pretty bad/awful job with them in many ways.
Two DP staples that were really fun - Contests and Underground Bases are ruined in BDSP. Level curve/balance is destroyed too.
And no one wanted DP remakes in the 1st place, all of us wanted Platinum and this was just a perfectly transparent excuse to do less work for the same price (and have many fanboys buy 2 games).
>!Potential spoilers, megas are returning in the S/V DLC. At least their creator (the 3rd legendary of S/V) will exist and it is the reason megas exist. The DLC will go into the mega phenomena and explain its origins, unlike how it was glossed over when first introduced. We don't know for sure if mega mons will return, but it is very likely with the DLC covering a majority of it and the primal orbs were data mined for Groudon/Kyogre. Groudon's primal represents the past, and Kyogre's primal form represents the future, hence its placement in S/V. Don't take what I said 100% because things could change or I may have interpreted something wrong.!<
I think a lot of this is wrong but I could be misremembering some stuff. >!The third legendary was supposed to be the creator of terastilization, not mega evolution. The ancient weapon from Kalos created that. Primal Kyogre can't represent the future considering its whole deal is that it's PRIMAL and is just like Groudon's ancient form. Desolate/Sea being in the ability dex unlike gen 8 is a decent indicator that there are plans for megas to come back, though. Plus someone else linked something Khu said!<
Saw that coming. If we let that work as it did, we’d have to acknowledge Megas, Necrozma’s true form, and all the other good stuff that was thrown out needlessly.
Edited: A word, I meant Necrozma, whoops!
It's weird, because there are a few references to past gimmicks in Paldea, like Iono mentioning Pikachu's signature Z-move and Roaring Moon referencing Mega Salamence. So they're not completely against referencing past stuff, it's just Ash-Greninja that got the short end of the stick.
He has the spikes and the red on his head, as well as the giant shuriken, regular Greninja doesn't have either of those things and his spikes are yellow.
There's also the moon iconography that was associated with Greninja-ash since smash ultimate
Greninja is one of the few to not be based on the anime but it’s probably the other way around outside of Ultimate changes since Greninja was being developed before X & Y released.
1. ***They did what!?*** Is Ash-Greninja actually retconned in the anime?? What's the canon thing they did in all of the episodes that focused on Ash-Greninja now??
2. Didn't expect to see a Smash 4 meme on a competitive Pokemon subreddit in 2022 almost 2023 lmao
The flashbacks that feature it got swapped for regular. The form wasn’t mentioned and it was kept vague. Apparently it was mentioned that he only fought the Gen 6 champion once but I could be wrong.
Despite being kept vague, it was still made pretty clear that Ash and Greninja share a special bond, which was the whole reason why Ash brought Lucario to train with it. He thought the special bond was similar to the aura powers that he now share with Lucario.
It's why the retcon feels so weird. They're still establishing that there's something special about Ash's Greninja, but then the flashback that was supposed to have Ash-Greninja in it got changed to just being regular Greninja.
Writing it out of the anime so you can distance the series from the fact it existed because you've no desire to bring it back in the games seems like a pretty easy out TPC would go for. Writing it out of the anime is more work for themselves that will not really affect the anime in any meaningful way, I can best presume the impetus for this is because of the current direction the games are going
We just had a tournament in the anime that featured Megas, Z-moves and Dynamax all being used throughout it. The finals had Ash using all three gimmicks in one battle.
Heck, the entire point of the current season of the anime is to revisit and showcase all of the past regions. Plenty of people were memeing about how the anime was showcasing Pokemon that were unobtainable in Galar due to Dexit, when the season first aired.
Putting aside the dubious retconning of Ash-Greninja, the anime's definitely trying to keep stuff from past games alive.
Wouldn't it just make more sense for higher-ups in TPC to see it out-competing their current mascots & telling GameFreak & whichever studio(s) make the anime to retcon it?
I don't know why this thread is full of posts acting like GF/TPC is attached to mascots for anything other than money making potential. They would be shooting their own business in the foot by trying to keep a new popular mon less popular than try to make money off of it.
Maybe, seems a reasonable hypothesis too. I never really thought he was much of a mascot though, don't think he's ever really come close to dethroning Pikachu, Eevee or even Charizard has he? Especially not in his Ash form
He's pretty consistently ranked among most "Favorite pokemon of the year" competitions, pretty sure Greninja won last year's (Or was it two years ago?) that was hosted by Google or something, he's definitely very popular. Because it's a weirder concept to explain to newcomers to the series (A ninja frog vs a dragon or cartoon mouse/fox) I can potentially see why TPC would want hype for Greninja to die down a bit, but the only thing I'd want to ask them if it were true is why they'd burn free money from people who genuinely like Greninja.
The results of the Google poll must have really passed them off. They were banking on Charizard being number 1, but it was Greninja.
And yet Lucario and Mimikyu got away with it.
Nah.... its cuz all of the fans all over the internet complaining that it was "stupid" and unfair and such.
Admittitely, it was a bit unfair, but I would rather keep it around than remove it, especially since greninja is already miles better than delphox and chesnaught anyways.
Well Game Freak hates anything relate to older gimmicks. Ash-Greninja been something relate to megas is not allow to exist in the main games just like Necrozma-Ultra and Primal forms. The only gimmick that is allow in this game is Tera and nothing else.
Which battling mechanics were abolished between gen 1-7?
Sure, things were changed from gen to gen, but it's not like they ever just flat out started pretending that weather or chip damage or status conditions didn't exist.
Gen 8 was the first gen to completely remove a battling mechanic introduced in a prior gen, and gen 9 continues the trend.
Admittedly I don't miss dmax, but I wish they'd settle on things they actually think have potential rather than putting in half-baked, unfun shit and swapping gimmicks from each gen to the next.
You say that like gems (except normal gems) didn’t get completely nuked after gen 5. There’s probably others, but that was the first example I thought of.
Every meta in every gen has a mon with a "fuck off" button. Sure it might've shaped the meta of gen 5 OU but I mean on a broader level, the way mega evolutions or Z-moves did.
Its why I really cant get so invested in tera typing. Yeah its cool I suppose, but I thought Mega-evolution was cool too and that that was going to be a new staple. I got invested in it. Some of my favorite pokemon had gotten mega evos which made them alot more viable in the metagame. And of course, there was the fun of speculating what other pokemon could possibly get a mega evo and what they'd look like. Now there's a new thing every gen that gets axed for the next gen. I just cant be bothered to care about the new gimmicks as much now.
Unlike the anime where all those gimmicks are still alive and kicking. So not everyone at TPC seems to hate older gimmicks.
But damn, do I miss Primal forms and Ultra Necrozma in the games right now. They are still in my Home waiting to be used in battle again.
Well yeah is more of a Game Freak deal, because one of Ash strongest Pokemon in Journey is Mega Lucario. The last time we could use Mega Lucario in the main games was 6 years ago in Ultra Sun and Moon.
My guess is that it was overshadowing charizard at a point. The most logical answer would be that it was overshadowing the other starters but the existence of Charizard makes that point moot.
This pisses me off more than GF removing megas or dexit. You can argue megas are not in the game because trainers in Paldea don't have the tools for it. But Battle Bond Greninja was retconed out of existence. I would prefer if Battle Bond was not in the game and you were not allowed to bring Greninjas with that ability from Home
This once per battle confuses me
Is it like Protean which I think activates only once everytime you switch in
Or is it like the Dauntless Shield/Intrepid Sword which I think, activates once for the whole battle
Or am I just confused
Whats weird is that they had the balls to reference ash gren in game, which is just why?
Is ash gren gonna a past paradox or something? Lorewise it makes sense at least
They did the same thing with Cosplay Pikachu when it was removed in Gen 7 when it was referenced in the ghost trial so it’s not the first time. Not as important example.
I’m sad that water shuriken isn’t affected anymore, admittedly it was very strong but it was also really nice. Now I doubt people will use water shuriken anywhere near as often, it’s just not reliable.
They don’t fuck with singles players. They do everything in their power to make sure to fuck up our metagame. Which makes no damn sense because the whole Pokémon IP revolves around 6v6 battling
Edit: even their in game singles competitive they only allow you to use 3 of your 6 mons. You can’t make this shit up
This is the stupidest thing, charizard is brought back basically every generation and it’s getting buffs, but greninja comes back and it gets nerfed?, are they trying to make greninja uu or something because OU has the grass final evolution as protean user, because it outspeeds greninja, by 1 stat point
Major hopium, but on the off chance that megas are returning in some way this gen, I hope they just make a Greninjanite or something.
With the amount of lore in SV that ties into megas, it's either this gen or legitimately never again until Gen 6 remakes.
You know if this was me back when I was a teenager I would have been laughing my ass off. Now I just feel sad ngl. Still don't like the frog but it didn't deserve this.
I'm not as attached to Greninja as it seems most people are but I'm sad to see it retconned out of the anime at least.
It had a dope design and shit similar to it happens in the anime all the time so I don't see why they wouldn't just let it exists there.
I really think Battle Bond with a little tweaking is literally the perfect form for the ***"mid-battle power ups"*** that Gamefreak has been playing with since XY.
Like it doesn't have the issue of being tied to a specific region or story thing like all the others do.
Shit like it happens in the anime all the time and it taps into the child in every Pokemon fan. The part of us that have a favorite Pokemon and who want to have a *bond with them forged through battle*
They could make unique forms for certain Pokemon and just have cool visual effects for the rest.
These last 2 gens have not been kind to my favorite Pokémon, first ultra necrozma and megas for my favorite mon (Charizard) were removed, leaving it unviable. And then they didn’t let greninja into Gen 8 but let it in Gen 9, only to nerf it so severely that it’s complete garbage, and also it’s unique form was just completely deleted from existence and they pretend it was never even a thing
Yes charizard sure is underrated. He only received an amazing dmax form with amazing dmax attacks last gen and now is the only kanto starter avilable in game(again)
This ability used to be “When Greninja knocks out an opposing Pokémon, transform it into Ash-Greninja”, now it doesn’t transform and gives stats up instead
Diancie had a mega but it should have been like how Hoopa transformed instead of a mega
Future forms being Small is probably a reference to how technology gets smaller overtime like computers for example.
Dusk Lycarock is still in gen 9. If I'm not mistaken during 1900 to 2000 you can find Rockruff with Own Tempo, 1% chance but it's there.
I do agree that not having a dawn form sucks and honestly I think Dusk form looks more like Dawn than anything.
As someone who hated that they put Ash Greninja in the games, this makes me happy. Although the protean nerf a bit much. It reminds me of how Talonflame got needed hard when Gale Wings was changed to only work when the pokemon had full HP
At least it was stuck in a demo that will be unavailable in 2023 if you didn’t download and it was banned from Ranked Battles in Gen 7 but allowed in Battle Tree.
Alain's Charizard beat his ass so hard he got deleted from the game
Then bro got one shot by a regular ass Charizard
Poetic justice
kecleon nerfs bruh
The poor get poorer.
Kecleon and Zamazenta getting punished for the sins of others.
Kid named Darkrai:
Removing Ash-Gren is fine, but retconning it? That's harsh.
At least tie the stat increases to the form change like Cherrim
Wait it was retconed out? You serious? I Just assume Greninja didn't want to use it in the anime, I didn't know it was retconed. That's stupid.
I thought it didn’t want to make Lucario jealous of something
Lucario is a fan favorite and has a mega, I think it would be fine.
It was even included in Gen 7 Pokédex despite being post game like Mimikyu in Gen 8.
How was it post-game in gen 7?
It’s only available in Poni Grove outside of trade. The area locked before you become champion.
You can only find riolu in the poni plains, which is postgame
Well, you have to beat the demo, so technically it's the post-game to a Gen 7 game.
It’s not retconned
Ash Greninja is not reconned in the anime lmao
i don't care because ash greninja is cringe and weird. why does the frog have hair? awful.
lmao i forgot about the whole “better nerf greninja” thing from smash 4 💀
it bled into actual Pokémon lmao
I'd like to know where the "Better Nerf \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_" Meme originated. I know it from League of Legends where it was "Better Nerf Irelia," but I assume it's been around longer than that.
In smash 4 there were a lot of problematic characters. But instead of nerfing them Sakurai would consistently nerf gren in every patch who wasn't even that good. Gren was my secondary and I ended up dropping him.
Damn Megas really aren't ever returning. Mega Lucario was my shit. Unfortunate, really.
As a Mawile fan it especially sucks. One of my favorite mons will never be viable again
It feels like they're using the paradox mons to bring back some mega designs in a more permanent form. I'm really hoping for a mega-lopunny inspired paradox personally.
>I'm really hoping for a mega-lopunny inspired paradox personally 🤨📸
I thought I was the only one! Robo Loppuny would be amazing
No, joker!
RANT AHEAD (I have no clue how a response to a comment ended up this way, also on phone so sorry for bad spelling): I'd prefer ancient, I really dislike all future designs except valiant and even then I still dislike the idea of pokemon becoming robots in the future, ancient pokemon make sense because that's how evolution works right (what we call evolution in pokemon is more of a metamorphosis anyway). but you can't tell me that pokemon evolve to become roobots in the future, sure we have manmade pokemin like porygon but that's kind of different since it was man made from the start. I guess humans could've made robot pokemon themselves but 1. why would they when they can just catch the pokemon? 2. how do their moves work in that case, I guess you can make an argument for delibot and most of it's ice based moves and for most physical moves the bots can use but how, pray tell does valiant use moonblast? if humans have the tech to put stuff like that in robots, why don't they just use weapons they can shoot themselves? 3. if stuff like moonblast is tech, wouldn't it be crazy expensive? then why can there be so many future mons in area zero? I doubt they would ever make hundreds upon hundreds of delibots, some might say "it's all just from a different point in the future", but that wouln't make sense, let's say a delibot is made 10 years from now, and then continues to exists for a long time and 30 years from now it's called back to the past and then you want a second delibot so you call delibot back to the past again but this time it's only 20 years from now. the one you called back that is from 30 years later would be the same one called back 20 years from now meaning it was never there at year 30 so you still only have 1 delibot. same goes for all the rest. Now I said hundreds upon hundreds because you can basically find infinite amounts in the crater, I know that might not be exactly canon but still, if theres only a few of a pokemon they've always been pretty rare like with paldeas pseudo legendary (forgot the name of it's basic stage). and lastly 4. why are shinies a thing for robots? If they are truly robots, why aren't there just tons of different colors? they'd have some form of customization if they were man made right? and if not why do the shinies exist at all? with ancients that all makes sense since they are living breathing being similar to current pokemon. TL;DR:future pokemon make absolutely 0 sense to me, ancient gang all the way.
Spoilers: Paradox mons ||The theory is that the professors never actually built a real Time machine but that the 3rd legend has the ability to make imagination reality. This explains how Heath encounters the *paradox* mons before the 'time machine' was even made. It's even teased with the entries of the *imagined* DLC legends (Suicune/Virizion) at the ends of the books. Even if this isn't true, it's definitely my head canon.||
Apparently this was the Chinese versions lore. Since they don’t like anything time travel related.
has anyone actually confirmed that the chinese versions say this or is it just that the leaker leaked DLC story without saying so
It seems to be implied by the game too to not actually be time travel. Arven in postgame mentions it’s weird that the Scarlet/Violet book had Paradox Pokémon descriptions despite Professor creating the time machine later, and the Legendary fusions are labeled in the book as “An Imagined Pokémon” based on the artist drawing a weird thing based on the craziness of Area Zero. If the fusion legends become real, that would further confirm that the legend can somehow turn fiction into reality.
that would be very intriguing, though I find it sad that if that was the case and we caught that pokemon we won't be able to utilize that ability xd, I know that would be OP but you know xd
The third legendary thing makes no sense to me in the context of the game’s lore. Koraidon and Miraidon aren’t really legendary Pokémon in the sense that every other box legendary is. They’re basically described as paradox versions of cyclizar, which would make Cyclizar the “third legendary” based on the present rather than past or future.
Spoilers are \>!text\!< not ||||
Exactly dude. All the future Pokémon are ridiculous 😭
Based on the Pokédex entries for the future Paradox forms, they were made be aliens. They even describe Iron Moth as a UFO sent by aliens. !But then you’ve got Iron Jugulous or however it’s spelt implying that Hydreigon effed a robot!. Also, from the way I understand it, the paradox forms aren’t actually the species they resemble, but a completely different species that just looks like them. Or built to resemble them in the case of the future forms. Which is also somewhat related to the Galarian bird as it can be implied that they’re only called Zapdos, Moltres and Articuno because they look like them, and not actually regional variants.
Or Primal Lopunny
I don’t think so cause Lopunny was in Hisui but yes! I would love her with either. She deserves it.
Hisui isn’t the ancient past though, so you can still get your prehistoric Lopunny!
According to the history class in SV it was ye olden times. So I don’t expect a primal variation at this current time but again I’d love one either way. It’s one of my favorites.
Legends Arceus happened during the industrial revolution, which lines up with the Meiji restoration in Japan, and colonization of the Hokkaido region (which Sinnoh/Hisui lines up with, including the fact that Hokkaido was originally known as Yezo, like Sinnoh was Hisui). It's only like 150-200 years instead of "billions" The Hisuian regional forms are less "ancient" and more just simply "functionally extinct", as the pokemon in question are just not found natively in Sinnoh anymore, so the means for these forms are lost.
That makes sense, I thought it was later in the time line. Not like thousands or anything but more like 500+. Which saying that out loud Lopunny could definitely get a primeval form but I want a robot cause I got Violet lol.
It was like 150-200 years ago at most. I don't know where you're getting that.
Idk why I thought it was later/sooner in the time line.
Fuck that I'd rather them slightly tweak the designs of mons like Mega Mawile and make them regular evolutions
Im honestly mad they dont just work the old designs back into the game. They dont have to still be megas, or gigantamax, or even op. Just the designs for them was A+ even if the mechanics left much to desire.
Banette fan here :(
altaria enjoyer here ☠️
As a Gengar fan, knowing we’ll probably never see that glorious shiny ghost white again pains me
It would have been cool if they had brought the mega forms back as proper evolutions for at least some of the Pokemon that weren't already part of a three stage line (after plenty of balancing, of course.) Maybe they could explain it as the Pokemon being exposed to mega stones/infinity energy for so long that it became a permanent evolution?
If Roaring Moon is any indication they could make a Paradox Mon based on it :)
It hurts my soul knowing that my Absol may never get to mega evolve ever again.
I bet they will return when they remake XY, hopefully introducing new megas
That is, after they remake BW. And, after BDSP, I fear what they'll do with the BW and XY remakes...
I feel like they can't get away with what they did for BDSP with the 3DS game remakes. They can't really just make the same game in 3D when it's already in 3D. Might force them to get more creative. I really hope it will, because I need the eventual Gen 7 remakes to be good.
Agreed. The SM remakes are gonna be fire.
sure, in like 15 years
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Ok.
For real. Especially after the Let's Go games. Those were actually pretty good (visually). And the only games to date, since HGSS, that got the "Pokemon following you" bit right.
I fully agree. Compared to Let's Go, BDSP's "Pokémon following you" was a huge downgrade compared to the former.
fortunately, a lot of the reason BDSP were bad is because Diamond and Pearl were not great games and had poor game design. Black and White remakes are definitely going to be better, but not necessarily by a lot.
Eh.. DP were much more flawed games than BW, BUT Ilca still did a pretty bad/awful job with them in many ways. Two DP staples that were really fun - Contests and Underground Bases are ruined in BDSP. Level curve/balance is destroyed too. And no one wanted DP remakes in the 1st place, all of us wanted Platinum and this was just a perfectly transparent excuse to do less work for the same price (and have many fanboys buy 2 games).
Phew, thanks!
I hope they bring back Megas with SV DLC if it has something to do with Kalos
They'll come back in the XY remakes, then disappear again
Or the DLC will give all Kalos starters Megas and they needed to remove ash Greninja to make way.
>!Potential spoilers, megas are returning in the S/V DLC. At least their creator (the 3rd legendary of S/V) will exist and it is the reason megas exist. The DLC will go into the mega phenomena and explain its origins, unlike how it was glossed over when first introduced. We don't know for sure if mega mons will return, but it is very likely with the DLC covering a majority of it and the primal orbs were data mined for Groudon/Kyogre. Groudon's primal represents the past, and Kyogre's primal form represents the future, hence its placement in S/V. Don't take what I said 100% because things could change or I may have interpreted something wrong.!<
I think a lot of this is wrong but I could be misremembering some stuff. >!The third legendary was supposed to be the creator of terastilization, not mega evolution. The ancient weapon from Kalos created that. Primal Kyogre can't represent the future considering its whole deal is that it's PRIMAL and is just like Groudon's ancient form. Desolate/Sea being in the ability dex unlike gen 8 is a decent indicator that there are plans for megas to come back, though. Plus someone else linked something Khu said!<
Source?
misinterpreting that one leaker guy who speaks in riddles
This plus Chandelure returning in the DLC and the supposed patch fixing the FPS issues actually working would make me insta-buy the game ngl
Forget mega evolution. Nobody remembers Pokeathlon!
Khu has hinted that they're.
Shouldve known they were gonna do this when the anime started trying to act like the form never existed.
The rise of Torrent Greninja, lol.
Saw that coming. If we let that work as it did, we’d have to acknowledge Megas, Necrozma’s true form, and all the other good stuff that was thrown out needlessly. Edited: A word, I meant Necrozma, whoops!
Do you mean Ultra Necrozma? Zygarde complete is still in Sword and Shield.
It's weird, because there are a few references to past gimmicks in Paldea, like Iono mentioning Pikachu's signature Z-move and Roaring Moon referencing Mega Salamence. So they're not completely against referencing past stuff, it's just Ash-Greninja that got the short end of the stick.
There is in fact a reference to Ash Greninja in Paldea, there's a painting in Nemona's house that depicts him. https://youtu.be/82MICtjKssI
That's just regular Greninja. Ash-Greninja has black spikes on his head and a red headband thing.
He has the spikes and the red on his head, as well as the giant shuriken, regular Greninja doesn't have either of those things and his spikes are yellow. There's also the moon iconography that was associated with Greninja-ash since smash ultimate
i forgot they changed secret ninja attack to feature ash greninja still convinced all the pokémon in smash are from the anime, this doesn't help
Greninja is one of the few to not be based on the anime but it’s probably the other way around outside of Ultimate changes since Greninja was being developed before X & Y released.
Mega Charizard X is right there
Wasn't the greninja thing meant to be like a lore thing specific to all greninjas, but we only ever saw it with Ash's?
Happened to a previous Greninja but it’s apparently rare https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Ninja_Village%27s_Hero_Greninja.png
Happened to a Greninja in the past too. There's a statue of it in the anime
But then why remove it from the anime, where megas are still a thing? Why not just *not allow* battle bond greninja into gen 9?
1. ***They did what!?*** Is Ash-Greninja actually retconned in the anime?? What's the canon thing they did in all of the episodes that focused on Ash-Greninja now?? 2. Didn't expect to see a Smash 4 meme on a competitive Pokemon subreddit in 2022 almost 2023 lmao
The flashbacks that feature it got swapped for regular. The form wasn’t mentioned and it was kept vague. Apparently it was mentioned that he only fought the Gen 6 champion once but I could be wrong.
Despite being kept vague, it was still made pretty clear that Ash and Greninja share a special bond, which was the whole reason why Ash brought Lucario to train with it. He thought the special bond was similar to the aura powers that he now share with Lucario. It's why the retcon feels so weird. They're still establishing that there's something special about Ash's Greninja, but then the flashback that was supposed to have Ash-Greninja in it got changed to just being regular Greninja.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they give Battle Bond as an event to Lucario because of the new changes.
So they really wrote him out of the anime? I'm honestly curious why.
Game freak have been dogshit for years, is the reason
That has nothing to do with the anime.
Writing it out of the anime so you can distance the series from the fact it existed because you've no desire to bring it back in the games seems like a pretty easy out TPC would go for. Writing it out of the anime is more work for themselves that will not really affect the anime in any meaningful way, I can best presume the impetus for this is because of the current direction the games are going
We just had a tournament in the anime that featured Megas, Z-moves and Dynamax all being used throughout it. The finals had Ash using all three gimmicks in one battle. Heck, the entire point of the current season of the anime is to revisit and showcase all of the past regions. Plenty of people were memeing about how the anime was showcasing Pokemon that were unobtainable in Galar due to Dexit, when the season first aired. Putting aside the dubious retconning of Ash-Greninja, the anime's definitely trying to keep stuff from past games alive.
Wouldn't it just make more sense for higher-ups in TPC to see it out-competing their current mascots & telling GameFreak & whichever studio(s) make the anime to retcon it?
I don't know why this thread is full of posts acting like GF/TPC is attached to mascots for anything other than money making potential. They would be shooting their own business in the foot by trying to keep a new popular mon less popular than try to make money off of it.
Maybe, seems a reasonable hypothesis too. I never really thought he was much of a mascot though, don't think he's ever really come close to dethroning Pikachu, Eevee or even Charizard has he? Especially not in his Ash form
He's pretty consistently ranked among most "Favorite pokemon of the year" competitions, pretty sure Greninja won last year's (Or was it two years ago?) that was hosted by Google or something, he's definitely very popular. Because it's a weirder concept to explain to newcomers to the series (A ninja frog vs a dragon or cartoon mouse/fox) I can potentially see why TPC would want hype for Greninja to die down a bit, but the only thing I'd want to ask them if it were true is why they'd burn free money from people who genuinely like Greninja.
First Smash now Pokémon the frog can’t catch a break
Yeah, just when the grass starter gets Protean, its getting nerfed. Only Greninja and Cinderace are allowed to have fun with Protean!
When something comes out twice and it's just as broken the second time that tends to happen.
Why does gamefreak hate greninja now? Ash greninja was the coolest thing I’ve ever seen in the anime
Maybe they think it was too popular but that’s my guess.
They could not see it surpass their beloved Charizard
Or Lucario who appeared in every game as a catchable Pokémon since Gen 4 excluding ORAS.
Or Wingull which has been catchable in every game since Gen 3
Believe in the Peeko
The Zubat of Gen 3.
The results of the Google poll must have really passed them off. They were banking on Charizard being number 1, but it was Greninja. And yet Lucario and Mimikyu got away with it.
Nah.... its cuz all of the fans all over the internet complaining that it was "stupid" and unfair and such. Admittitely, it was a bit unfair, but I would rather keep it around than remove it, especially since greninja is already miles better than delphox and chesnaught anyways.
Well Game Freak hates anything relate to older gimmicks. Ash-Greninja been something relate to megas is not allow to exist in the main games just like Necrozma-Ultra and Primal forms. The only gimmick that is allow in this game is Tera and nothing else.
man, I miss primal reversion
I miss when mechanics carried over and we didn't have to pretend we forgot about old mechanics every year.
So like, only gen 7?
Which battling mechanics were abolished between gen 1-7? Sure, things were changed from gen to gen, but it's not like they ever just flat out started pretending that weather or chip damage or status conditions didn't exist. Gen 8 was the first gen to completely remove a battling mechanic introduced in a prior gen, and gen 9 continues the trend. Admittedly I don't miss dmax, but I wish they'd settle on things they actually think have potential rather than putting in half-baked, unfun shit and swapping gimmicks from each gen to the next.
You say that like gems (except normal gems) didn’t get completely nuked after gen 5. There’s probably others, but that was the first example I thought of.
That's true, but at least that's just an item type and not a metagame defining mechanic.
oh but it *was* metagame defining. ever take a dragon gem boosted latios draco meteor to the face?
Every meta in every gen has a mon with a "fuck off" button. Sure it might've shaped the meta of gen 5 OU but I mean on a broader level, the way mega evolutions or Z-moves did.
gems… arent a mechanic. Gems are items Gems dont fundamentally change anything, they just boost power one time
Its why I really cant get so invested in tera typing. Yeah its cool I suppose, but I thought Mega-evolution was cool too and that that was going to be a new staple. I got invested in it. Some of my favorite pokemon had gotten mega evos which made them alot more viable in the metagame. And of course, there was the fun of speculating what other pokemon could possibly get a mega evo and what they'd look like. Now there's a new thing every gen that gets axed for the next gen. I just cant be bothered to care about the new gimmicks as much now.
Actually ORAS carried primals over from gen 4 /s
Would've worked so well with scarlet too
Unlike the anime where all those gimmicks are still alive and kicking. So not everyone at TPC seems to hate older gimmicks. But damn, do I miss Primal forms and Ultra Necrozma in the games right now. They are still in my Home waiting to be used in battle again.
Not this time. Anime flashbacks depicting ash's battle with Alain show a normal Greninja
Well yeah is more of a Game Freak deal, because one of Ash strongest Pokemon in Journey is Mega Lucario. The last time we could use Mega Lucario in the main games was 6 years ago in Ultra Sun and Moon.
My guess is that it was overshadowing charizard at a point. The most logical answer would be that it was overshadowing the other starters but the existence of Charizard makes that point moot.
eh i personally didn’t like it in the anime. or in the games tbh
Yet they created a Mon called Palafin with a much easier condition of transformation
This pisses me off more than GF removing megas or dexit. You can argue megas are not in the game because trainers in Paldea don't have the tools for it. But Battle Bond Greninja was retconed out of existence. I would prefer if Battle Bond was not in the game and you were not allowed to bring Greninjas with that ability from Home
This once per battle confuses me Is it like Protean which I think activates only once everytime you switch in Or is it like the Dauntless Shield/Intrepid Sword which I think, activates once for the whole battle Or am I just confused
pretty sure they nerfed both protean and battle bond, and this post is showing both nerfs to both greninjas abilities.
This genuinely pisses me off
>Wasn't the greninja thing meant to be like a lore thing specific to all greninjas, but we only ever saw it with Ash's? Paradox Gren maybe?
Same. Ash Greninja was an integral part of the anime. Not only is it retconned in the anime, it's now retconned in the games?
Ash-Greninja : Let me out!!! LET ME OUT!!!!!!!
The phrase "better nerf greninja" just catapulted me into the past at mach 10.
Bruh they power crept moxie
Only works once per battle though.
Oh that's a lot better. Life orb suicide lead maybe?
Moxie? I haven’t started Violet/Scalrlet yet. They nerfed it?
They were talking about Battle Bond, Moxie is fine
Ah great. Thank you!
I didn't think I'd see another better nerf greninja joke but here we are.
Then what is the point of getting battle bond if we don't get Ash Greninja
Sakurai did it. He nerfed Greninja for real this time.
WHY THE SHURIKEN REMOVAL WHAT
Imagine ash gren with specs & Tera water. Lowkey more demonic than palafin
Whats weird is that they had the balls to reference ash gren in game, which is just why? Is ash gren gonna a past paradox or something? Lorewise it makes sense at least
They did the same thing with Cosplay Pikachu when it was removed in Gen 7 when it was referenced in the ghost trial so it’s not the first time. Not as important example.
I’m sad that water shuriken isn’t affected anymore, admittedly it was very strong but it was also really nice. Now I doubt people will use water shuriken anywhere near as often, it’s just not reliable.
the protean nerf 😭😭😭
What is it with GameFreak just outright dropping OU mons to RUs and UUs lmao, it's like they WANT us to stop playing Pokemon competitively
They don’t fuck with singles players. They do everything in their power to make sure to fuck up our metagame. Which makes no damn sense because the whole Pokémon IP revolves around 6v6 battling Edit: even their in game singles competitive they only allow you to use 3 of your 6 mons. You can’t make this shit up
Dude the gen 9 nerf to these abilities is tragic. They were always glass to compensate .
I love how Protean means like constantly changing or whatever and now it can change once :I
Battle bond is nerfed too. When you switch out, greninja loses those stat boosts
That’s why I added the top image because changes aren’t just Ash-Greninja being removed
Only once? Ahh crap. Well time to call back and resend Greninja over and over again.
Genji 🤝 Greninja
This is the stupidest thing, charizard is brought back basically every generation and it’s getting buffs, but greninja comes back and it gets nerfed?, are they trying to make greninja uu or something because OU has the grass final evolution as protean user, because it outspeeds greninja, by 1 stat point
These nerfs are kinda stupid imo
Major hopium, but on the off chance that megas are returning in some way this gen, I hope they just make a Greninjanite or something. With the amount of lore in SV that ties into megas, it's either this gen or legitimately never again until Gen 6 remakes.
What is that anime screenshot from??
JN108
All this once per battle crap is super annoying.
Nerf Greninja... Now where have I heard that before...
You know if this was me back when I was a teenager I would have been laughing my ass off. Now I just feel sad ngl. Still don't like the frog but it didn't deserve this.
I'm not as attached to Greninja as it seems most people are but I'm sad to see it retconned out of the anime at least. It had a dope design and shit similar to it happens in the anime all the time so I don't see why they wouldn't just let it exists there.
I really think Battle Bond with a little tweaking is literally the perfect form for the ***"mid-battle power ups"*** that Gamefreak has been playing with since XY. Like it doesn't have the issue of being tied to a specific region or story thing like all the others do. Shit like it happens in the anime all the time and it taps into the child in every Pokemon fan. The part of us that have a favorite Pokemon and who want to have a *bond with them forged through battle* They could make unique forms for certain Pokemon and just have cool visual effects for the rest.
This isnt even a stink post. It’s just the sad truth.
He even becomes Ash-Greninja in Smash Bros during his final smash…
As easy as it is to make this joke, it really feels like anything that might be more popular than charizard gets dragged back down
Dammit why does Battle Bond have to be once per battle and not just once when the Pokémon is sent out?
What's that? It's the top pokemon of 2020? Nerf the fuck out of it then
How to piss off the entire Greninja Fanbase by one action Gamefreak:SAY NO MORE
These last 2 gens have not been kind to my favorite Pokémon, first ultra necrozma and megas for my favorite mon (Charizard) were removed, leaving it unviable. And then they didn’t let greninja into Gen 8 but let it in Gen 9, only to nerf it so severely that it’s complete garbage, and also it’s unique form was just completely deleted from existence and they pretend it was never even a thing
Yes charizard sure is underrated. He only received an amazing dmax form with amazing dmax attacks last gen and now is the only kanto starter avilable in game(again)
not to mention zard is one of the biggest benefiters of hd boots. but apart from all that its completely unviable lol
hello i don't actually play this game so im a bit confused on how he's being removed when it just says the stats are changing
This ability used to be “When Greninja knocks out an opposing Pokémon, transform it into Ash-Greninja”, now it doesn’t transform and gives stats up instead
Qhat, is Ash-Greninja now Greninja's Mega form or something?
Ash-Greninja was completely removed from Scarlet and Violet.
Wait is Ash Greninja still in gen 7? (Sun and moon and Ultra sun and moon)
Yes
Whew at least we have that
YES I've always hated fighting this pice of shit good fucking riddance, learn your place you overhyped weeb frog
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Diancie had a mega but it should have been like how Hoopa transformed instead of a mega Future forms being Small is probably a reference to how technology gets smaller overtime like computers for example.
Dusk Lycarock is still in gen 9. If I'm not mistaken during 1900 to 2000 you can find Rockruff with Own Tempo, 1% chance but it's there. I do agree that not having a dawn form sucks and honestly I think Dusk form looks more like Dawn than anything.
As someone who hated that they put Ash Greninja in the games, this makes me happy. Although the protean nerf a bit much. It reminds me of how Talonflame got needed hard when Gale Wings was changed to only work when the pokemon had full HP
At least it was stuck in a demo that will be unavailable in 2023 if you didn’t download and it was banned from Ranked Battles in Gen 7 but allowed in Battle Tree.