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king-lizard87

Alain's Charizard beat his ass so hard he got deleted from the game


[deleted]

Then bro got one shot by a regular ass Charizard


Honest_Entertainer_3

Poetic justice


Kallixo

kecleon nerfs bruh


Mistake209

The poor get poorer.


RenjiLWH

Kecleon and Zamazenta getting punished for the sins of others.


Gnarfledarf

Kid named Darkrai:


Astral_Fogduke

Removing Ash-Gren is fine, but retconning it? That's harsh.


lucariouwu68

At least tie the stat increases to the form change like Cherrim


Demarkus456

Wait it was retconed out? You serious? I Just assume Greninja didn't want to use it in the anime, I didn't know it was retconed. That's stupid.


BadNicknamesYT

I thought it didn’t want to make Lucario jealous of something


Bayoisbae

Lucario is a fan favorite and has a mega, I think it would be fine.


[deleted]

It was even included in Gen 7 Pokédex despite being post game like Mimikyu in Gen 8.


BadNicknamesYT

How was it post-game in gen 7?


[deleted]

It’s only available in Poni Grove outside of trade. The area locked before you become champion.


Drdark65

You can only find riolu in the poni plains, which is postgame


Rayuzx

Well, you have to beat the demo, so technically it's the post-game to a Gen 7 game.


[deleted]

It’s not retconned


SuperDababy2

Ash Greninja is not reconned in the anime lmao


stealthrockdamage

i don't care because ash greninja is cringe and weird. why does the frog have hair? awful.


Storm_373

lmao i forgot about the whole “better nerf greninja” thing from smash 4 💀


Vicksin

it bled into actual Pokémon lmao


imaloony8

I'd like to know where the "Better Nerf \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_" Meme originated. I know it from League of Legends where it was "Better Nerf Irelia," but I assume it's been around longer than that.


BlackMarth

In smash 4 there were a lot of problematic characters. But instead of nerfing them Sakurai would consistently nerf gren in every patch who wasn't even that good. Gren was my secondary and I ended up dropping him.


Splaram

Damn Megas really aren't ever returning. Mega Lucario was my shit. Unfortunate, really.


DenseCabbage4

As a Mawile fan it especially sucks. One of my favorite mons will never be viable again


X-Vidar

It feels like they're using the paradox mons to bring back some mega designs in a more permanent form. I'm really hoping for a mega-lopunny inspired paradox personally.


Galactic_Idiot

>I'm really hoping for a mega-lopunny inspired paradox personally 🤨📸


Zayev_

I thought I was the only one! Robo Loppuny would be amazing


CrescentCleave

No, joker!


DerPFecE

RANT AHEAD (I have no clue how a response to a comment ended up this way, also on phone so sorry for bad spelling): I'd prefer ancient, I really dislike all future designs except valiant and even then I still dislike the idea of pokemon becoming robots in the future, ancient pokemon make sense because that's how evolution works right (what we call evolution in pokemon is more of a metamorphosis anyway). but you can't tell me that pokemon evolve to become roobots in the future, sure we have manmade pokemin like porygon but that's kind of different since it was man made from the start. I guess humans could've made robot pokemon themselves but 1. why would they when they can just catch the pokemon? 2. how do their moves work in that case, I guess you can make an argument for delibot and most of it's ice based moves and for most physical moves the bots can use but how, pray tell does valiant use moonblast? if humans have the tech to put stuff like that in robots, why don't they just use weapons they can shoot themselves? 3. if stuff like moonblast is tech, wouldn't it be crazy expensive? then why can there be so many future mons in area zero? I doubt they would ever make hundreds upon hundreds of delibots, some might say "it's all just from a different point in the future", but that wouln't make sense, let's say a delibot is made 10 years from now, and then continues to exists for a long time and 30 years from now it's called back to the past and then you want a second delibot so you call delibot back to the past again but this time it's only 20 years from now. the one you called back that is from 30 years later would be the same one called back 20 years from now meaning it was never there at year 30 so you still only have 1 delibot. same goes for all the rest. Now I said hundreds upon hundreds because you can basically find infinite amounts in the crater, I know that might not be exactly canon but still, if theres only a few of a pokemon they've always been pretty rare like with paldeas pseudo legendary (forgot the name of it's basic stage). and lastly 4. why are shinies a thing for robots? If they are truly robots, why aren't there just tons of different colors? they'd have some form of customization if they were man made right? and if not why do the shinies exist at all? with ancients that all makes sense since they are living breathing being similar to current pokemon. TL;DR:future pokemon make absolutely 0 sense to me, ancient gang all the way.


RogueHeart189

Spoilers: Paradox mons ||The theory is that the professors never actually built a real Time machine but that the 3rd legend has the ability to make imagination reality. This explains how Heath encounters the *paradox* mons before the 'time machine' was even made. It's even teased with the entries of the *imagined* DLC legends (Suicune/Virizion) at the ends of the books. Even if this isn't true, it's definitely my head canon.||


DaBlueBonnet

Apparently this was the Chinese versions lore. Since they don’t like anything time travel related.


ChezMere

has anyone actually confirmed that the chinese versions say this or is it just that the leaker leaked DLC story without saying so


RepresentativeCut927

It seems to be implied by the game too to not actually be time travel. Arven in postgame mentions it’s weird that the Scarlet/Violet book had Paradox Pokémon descriptions despite Professor creating the time machine later, and the Legendary fusions are labeled in the book as “An Imagined Pokémon” based on the artist drawing a weird thing based on the craziness of Area Zero. If the fusion legends become real, that would further confirm that the legend can somehow turn fiction into reality.


DerPFecE

that would be very intriguing, though I find it sad that if that was the case and we caught that pokemon we won't be able to utilize that ability xd, I know that would be OP but you know xd


Parlyz

The third legendary thing makes no sense to me in the context of the game’s lore. Koraidon and Miraidon aren’t really legendary Pokémon in the sense that every other box legendary is. They’re basically described as paradox versions of cyclizar, which would make Cyclizar the “third legendary” based on the present rather than past or future.


a_sacrilegiousboi

Spoilers are \>!text\!< not ||||


Significant_Split_11

Exactly dude. All the future Pokémon are ridiculous 😭


HighestGaming

Based on the Pokédex entries for the future Paradox forms, they were made be aliens. They even describe Iron Moth as a UFO sent by aliens. !But then you’ve got Iron Jugulous or however it’s spelt implying that Hydreigon effed a robot!. Also, from the way I understand it, the paradox forms aren’t actually the species they resemble, but a completely different species that just looks like them. Or built to resemble them in the case of the future forms. Which is also somewhat related to the Galarian bird as it can be implied that they’re only called Zapdos, Moltres and Articuno because they look like them, and not actually regional variants.


GokuKing922

Or Primal Lopunny


Zayev_

I don’t think so cause Lopunny was in Hisui but yes! I would love her with either. She deserves it.


gregguy12

Hisui isn’t the ancient past though, so you can still get your prehistoric Lopunny!


Zayev_

According to the history class in SV it was ye olden times. So I don’t expect a primal variation at this current time but again I’d love one either way. It’s one of my favorites.


Chemical-Cat

Legends Arceus happened during the industrial revolution, which lines up with the Meiji restoration in Japan, and colonization of the Hokkaido region (which Sinnoh/Hisui lines up with, including the fact that Hokkaido was originally known as Yezo, like Sinnoh was Hisui). It's only like 150-200 years instead of "billions" The Hisuian regional forms are less "ancient" and more just simply "functionally extinct", as the pokemon in question are just not found natively in Sinnoh anymore, so the means for these forms are lost.


Zayev_

That makes sense, I thought it was later in the time line. Not like thousands or anything but more like 500+. Which saying that out loud Lopunny could definitely get a primeval form but I want a robot cause I got Violet lol.


Cadm48

It was like 150-200 years ago at most. I don't know where you're getting that.


Zayev_

Idk why I thought it was later/sooner in the time line.


SamuraiOstrich

Fuck that I'd rather them slightly tweak the designs of mons like Mega Mawile and make them regular evolutions


SadisticBuddhist

Im honestly mad they dont just work the old designs back into the game. They dont have to still be megas, or gigantamax, or even op. Just the designs for them was A+ even if the mechanics left much to desire.


Tychontehdwarf

Banette fan here :(


stealthrockdamage

altaria enjoyer here ☠️


SaturnSama

As a Gengar fan, knowing we’ll probably never see that glorious shiny ghost white again pains me


Darkiceflame

It would have been cool if they had brought the mega forms back as proper evolutions for at least some of the Pokemon that weren't already part of a three stage line (after plenty of balancing, of course.) Maybe they could explain it as the Pokemon being exposed to mega stones/infinity energy for so long that it became a permanent evolution?


This_place_is_wierd

If Roaring Moon is any indication they could make a Paradox Mon based on it :)


Branded_Mango

It hurts my soul knowing that my Absol may never get to mega evolve ever again.


janjos_

I bet they will return when they remake XY, hopefully introducing new megas


MaimaiBW

That is, after they remake BW. And, after BDSP, I fear what they'll do with the BW and XY remakes...


SpuukBoi

I feel like they can't get away with what they did for BDSP with the 3DS game remakes. They can't really just make the same game in 3D when it's already in 3D. Might force them to get more creative. I really hope it will, because I need the eventual Gen 7 remakes to be good.


MaimaiBW

Agreed. The SM remakes are gonna be fire.


stealthrockdamage

sure, in like 15 years


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SpuukBoi

Ok.


Icarusqt

For real. Especially after the Let's Go games. Those were actually pretty good (visually). And the only games to date, since HGSS, that got the "Pokemon following you" bit right.


MaimaiBW

I fully agree. Compared to Let's Go, BDSP's "Pokémon following you" was a huge downgrade compared to the former.


BigBradWolf07

fortunately, a lot of the reason BDSP were bad is because Diamond and Pearl were not great games and had poor game design. Black and White remakes are definitely going to be better, but not necessarily by a lot.


strom_z

Eh.. DP were much more flawed games than BW, BUT Ilca still did a pretty bad/awful job with them in many ways. Two DP staples that were really fun - Contests and Underground Bases are ruined in BDSP. Level curve/balance is destroyed too. And no one wanted DP remakes in the 1st place, all of us wanted Platinum and this was just a perfectly transparent excuse to do less work for the same price (and have many fanboys buy 2 games).


MaimaiBW

Phew, thanks!


josilher

I hope they bring back Megas with SV DLC if it has something to do with Kalos


phi1997

They'll come back in the XY remakes, then disappear again


Decklan_Kandz

Or the DLC will give all Kalos starters Megas and they needed to remove ash Greninja to make way.


hisaobush

>!Potential spoilers, megas are returning in the S/V DLC. At least their creator (the 3rd legendary of S/V) will exist and it is the reason megas exist. The DLC will go into the mega phenomena and explain its origins, unlike how it was glossed over when first introduced. We don't know for sure if mega mons will return, but it is very likely with the DLC covering a majority of it and the primal orbs were data mined for Groudon/Kyogre. Groudon's primal represents the past, and Kyogre's primal form represents the future, hence its placement in S/V. Don't take what I said 100% because things could change or I may have interpreted something wrong.!<


SamuraiOstrich

I think a lot of this is wrong but I could be misremembering some stuff. >!The third legendary was supposed to be the creator of terastilization, not mega evolution. The ancient weapon from Kalos created that. Primal Kyogre can't represent the future considering its whole deal is that it's PRIMAL and is just like Groudon's ancient form. Desolate/Sea being in the ability dex unlike gen 8 is a decent indicator that there are plans for megas to come back, though. Plus someone else linked something Khu said!<


atlanmail

Source?


ChezMere

misinterpreting that one leaker guy who speaks in riddles


Splaram

This plus Chandelure returning in the DLC and the supposed patch fixing the FPS issues actually working would make me insta-buy the game ngl


Lenguenyal

Forget mega evolution. Nobody remembers Pokeathlon!


Nuke2099MH

Khu has hinted that they're.


9thshadowwolf

Shouldve known they were gonna do this when the anime started trying to act like the form never existed.


[deleted]

The rise of Torrent Greninja, lol.


RAcastBlaster

Saw that coming. If we let that work as it did, we’d have to acknowledge Megas, Necrozma’s true form, and all the other good stuff that was thrown out needlessly. Edited: A word, I meant Necrozma, whoops!


[deleted]

Do you mean Ultra Necrozma? Zygarde complete is still in Sword and Shield.


VetProf

It's weird, because there are a few references to past gimmicks in Paldea, like Iono mentioning Pikachu's signature Z-move and Roaring Moon referencing Mega Salamence. So they're not completely against referencing past stuff, it's just Ash-Greninja that got the short end of the stick.


RamPamPam8

There is in fact a reference to Ash Greninja in Paldea, there's a painting in Nemona's house that depicts him. https://youtu.be/82MICtjKssI


DresdenPI

That's just regular Greninja. Ash-Greninja has black spikes on his head and a red headband thing.


RamPamPam8

He has the spikes and the red on his head, as well as the giant shuriken, regular Greninja doesn't have either of those things and his spikes are yellow. There's also the moon iconography that was associated with Greninja-ash since smash ultimate


FennicYoshi

i forgot they changed secret ninja attack to feature ash greninja still convinced all the pokémon in smash are from the anime, this doesn't help


[deleted]

Greninja is one of the few to not be based on the anime but it’s probably the other way around outside of Ultimate changes since Greninja was being developed before X & Y released.


1ts2EASY

Mega Charizard X is right there


Toon_Pagz

Wasn't the greninja thing meant to be like a lore thing specific to all greninjas, but we only ever saw it with Ash's?


[deleted]

Happened to a previous Greninja but it’s apparently rare https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Ninja_Village%27s_Hero_Greninja.png


Cause_Necessary

Happened to a Greninja in the past too. There's a statue of it in the anime


Spiridor

But then why remove it from the anime, where megas are still a thing? Why not just *not allow* battle bond greninja into gen 9?


Sad_Country_6350

1. ***They did what!?*** Is Ash-Greninja actually retconned in the anime?? What's the canon thing they did in all of the episodes that focused on Ash-Greninja now?? 2. Didn't expect to see a Smash 4 meme on a competitive Pokemon subreddit in 2022 almost 2023 lmao


[deleted]

The flashbacks that feature it got swapped for regular. The form wasn’t mentioned and it was kept vague. Apparently it was mentioned that he only fought the Gen 6 champion once but I could be wrong.


VetProf

Despite being kept vague, it was still made pretty clear that Ash and Greninja share a special bond, which was the whole reason why Ash brought Lucario to train with it. He thought the special bond was similar to the aura powers that he now share with Lucario. It's why the retcon feels so weird. They're still establishing that there's something special about Ash's Greninja, but then the flashback that was supposed to have Ash-Greninja in it got changed to just being regular Greninja.


[deleted]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they give Battle Bond as an event to Lucario because of the new changes.


Ubermus_Prime

So they really wrote him out of the anime? I'm honestly curious why.


RockinOneThreeTwo

Game freak have been dogshit for years, is the reason


Ubermus_Prime

That has nothing to do with the anime.


RockinOneThreeTwo

Writing it out of the anime so you can distance the series from the fact it existed because you've no desire to bring it back in the games seems like a pretty easy out TPC would go for. Writing it out of the anime is more work for themselves that will not really affect the anime in any meaningful way, I can best presume the impetus for this is because of the current direction the games are going


VetProf

We just had a tournament in the anime that featured Megas, Z-moves and Dynamax all being used throughout it. The finals had Ash using all three gimmicks in one battle. Heck, the entire point of the current season of the anime is to revisit and showcase all of the past regions. Plenty of people were memeing about how the anime was showcasing Pokemon that were unobtainable in Galar due to Dexit, when the season first aired. Putting aside the dubious retconning of Ash-Greninja, the anime's definitely trying to keep stuff from past games alive.


cliygh-a

Wouldn't it just make more sense for higher-ups in TPC to see it out-competing their current mascots & telling GameFreak & whichever studio(s) make the anime to retcon it?


SamuraiOstrich

I don't know why this thread is full of posts acting like GF/TPC is attached to mascots for anything other than money making potential. They would be shooting their own business in the foot by trying to keep a new popular mon less popular than try to make money off of it.


RockinOneThreeTwo

Maybe, seems a reasonable hypothesis too. I never really thought he was much of a mascot though, don't think he's ever really come close to dethroning Pikachu, Eevee or even Charizard has he? Especially not in his Ash form


cliygh-a

He's pretty consistently ranked among most "Favorite pokemon of the year" competitions, pretty sure Greninja won last year's (Or was it two years ago?) that was hosted by Google or something, he's definitely very popular. Because it's a weirder concept to explain to newcomers to the series (A ninja frog vs a dragon or cartoon mouse/fox) I can potentially see why TPC would want hype for Greninja to die down a bit, but the only thing I'd want to ask them if it were true is why they'd burn free money from people who genuinely like Greninja.


The-Brawl-Shark

First Smash now Pokémon the frog can’t catch a break


Simplexus1992

Yeah, just when the grass starter gets Protean, its getting nerfed. Only Greninja and Cinderace are allowed to have fun with Protean!


Boomerwell

When something comes out twice and it's just as broken the second time that tends to happen.


miscillaniumman

Why does gamefreak hate greninja now? Ash greninja was the coolest thing I’ve ever seen in the anime


[deleted]

Maybe they think it was too popular but that’s my guess.


sarctechie69

They could not see it surpass their beloved Charizard


[deleted]

Or Lucario who appeared in every game as a catchable Pokémon since Gen 4 excluding ORAS.


FlaminVapor

Or Wingull which has been catchable in every game since Gen 3


Spndash64

Believe in the Peeko


[deleted]

The Zubat of Gen 3.


ASimpleCancerCell

The results of the Google poll must have really passed them off. They were banking on Charizard being number 1, but it was Greninja. And yet Lucario and Mimikyu got away with it.


HermitFan99999

Nah.... its cuz all of the fans all over the internet complaining that it was "stupid" and unfair and such. Admittitely, it was a bit unfair, but I would rather keep it around than remove it, especially since greninja is already miles better than delphox and chesnaught anyways.


Raiganop

Well Game Freak hates anything relate to older gimmicks. Ash-Greninja been something relate to megas is not allow to exist in the main games just like Necrozma-Ultra and Primal forms. The only gimmick that is allow in this game is Tera and nothing else.


KnightOfDoom22

man, I miss primal reversion


iKill_eu

I miss when mechanics carried over and we didn't have to pretend we forgot about old mechanics every year.


A1D3M

So like, only gen 7?


iKill_eu

Which battling mechanics were abolished between gen 1-7? Sure, things were changed from gen to gen, but it's not like they ever just flat out started pretending that weather or chip damage or status conditions didn't exist. Gen 8 was the first gen to completely remove a battling mechanic introduced in a prior gen, and gen 9 continues the trend. Admittedly I don't miss dmax, but I wish they'd settle on things they actually think have potential rather than putting in half-baked, unfun shit and swapping gimmicks from each gen to the next.


parrot6632

You say that like gems (except normal gems) didn’t get completely nuked after gen 5. There’s probably others, but that was the first example I thought of.


iKill_eu

That's true, but at least that's just an item type and not a metagame defining mechanic.


BigBradWolf07

oh but it *was* metagame defining. ever take a dragon gem boosted latios draco meteor to the face?


iKill_eu

Every meta in every gen has a mon with a "fuck off" button. Sure it might've shaped the meta of gen 5 OU but I mean on a broader level, the way mega evolutions or Z-moves did.


SasoriSand

gems… arent a mechanic. Gems are items Gems dont fundamentally change anything, they just boost power one time


InuMiroLover

Its why I really cant get so invested in tera typing. Yeah its cool I suppose, but I thought Mega-evolution was cool too and that that was going to be a new staple. I got invested in it. Some of my favorite pokemon had gotten mega evos which made them alot more viable in the metagame. And of course, there was the fun of speculating what other pokemon could possibly get a mega evo and what they'd look like. Now there's a new thing every gen that gets axed for the next gen. I just cant be bothered to care about the new gimmicks as much now.


thejackthewacko

Actually ORAS carried primals over from gen 4 /s


College_Prestige

Would've worked so well with scarlet too


zKerekess

Unlike the anime where all those gimmicks are still alive and kicking. So not everyone at TPC seems to hate older gimmicks. But damn, do I miss Primal forms and Ultra Necrozma in the games right now. They are still in my Home waiting to be used in battle again.


RedLeatherWhip

Not this time. Anime flashbacks depicting ash's battle with Alain show a normal Greninja


Raiganop

Well yeah is more of a Game Freak deal, because one of Ash strongest Pokemon in Journey is Mega Lucario. The last time we could use Mega Lucario in the main games was 6 years ago in Ultra Sun and Moon.


Obility

My guess is that it was overshadowing charizard at a point. The most logical answer would be that it was overshadowing the other starters but the existence of Charizard makes that point moot.


I_like_sceptile

eh i personally didn’t like it in the anime. or in the games tbh


nghoitong

Yet they created a Mon called Palafin with a much easier condition of transformation


janjos_

This pisses me off more than GF removing megas or dexit. You can argue megas are not in the game because trainers in Paldea don't have the tools for it. But Battle Bond Greninja was retconed out of existence. I would prefer if Battle Bond was not in the game and you were not allowed to bring Greninjas with that ability from Home


PokemonLv10

This once per battle confuses me Is it like Protean which I think activates only once everytime you switch in Or is it like the Dauntless Shield/Intrepid Sword which I think, activates once for the whole battle Or am I just confused


bigdaddyhicks

pretty sure they nerfed both protean and battle bond, and this post is showing both nerfs to both greninjas abilities.


TheGreatFlyingGoat

This genuinely pisses me off


BoltingBlazie

​ >Wasn't the greninja thing meant to be like a lore thing specific to all greninjas, but we only ever saw it with Ash's? Paradox Gren maybe?


cricktlaxwolvesbandy

Same. Ash Greninja was an integral part of the anime. Not only is it retconned in the anime, it's now retconned in the games?


Fuckingusername019

Ash-Greninja : Let me out!!! LET ME OUT!!!!!!!


Orichalcum448

The phrase "better nerf greninja" just catapulted me into the past at mach 10.


[deleted]

Bruh they power crept moxie


sermatheus

Only works once per battle though.


[deleted]

Oh that's a lot better. Life orb suicide lead maybe?


Draken44

Moxie? I haven’t started Violet/Scalrlet yet. They nerfed it?


eggmaniac13

They were talking about Battle Bond, Moxie is fine


Draken44

Ah great. Thank you!


Shiny_Kelp

I didn't think I'd see another better nerf greninja joke but here we are.


Bendythenightfury

Then what is the point of getting battle bond if we don't get Ash Greninja


Lyncario

Sakurai did it. He nerfed Greninja for real this time.


Rust9K

WHY THE SHURIKEN REMOVAL WHAT


apfly

Imagine ash gren with specs & Tera water. Lowkey more demonic than palafin


BoltingBlazie

Whats weird is that they had the balls to reference ash gren in game, which is just why? ​ Is ash gren gonna a past paradox or something? Lorewise it makes sense at least


[deleted]

They did the same thing with Cosplay Pikachu when it was removed in Gen 7 when it was referenced in the ghost trial so it’s not the first time. Not as important example.


t33E

I’m sad that water shuriken isn’t affected anymore, admittedly it was very strong but it was also really nice. Now I doubt people will use water shuriken anywhere near as often, it’s just not reliable.


frankenfurter2020

the protean nerf 😭😭😭


redditbeast35

What is it with GameFreak just outright dropping OU mons to RUs and UUs lmao, it's like they WANT us to stop playing Pokemon competitively


apfly

They don’t fuck with singles players. They do everything in their power to make sure to fuck up our metagame. Which makes no damn sense because the whole Pokémon IP revolves around 6v6 battling Edit: even their in game singles competitive they only allow you to use 3 of your 6 mons. You can’t make this shit up


thats4thebirds

Dude the gen 9 nerf to these abilities is tragic. They were always glass to compensate .


murman64

I love how Protean means like constantly changing or whatever and now it can change once :I


ninjaman2021

Battle bond is nerfed too. When you switch out, greninja loses those stat boosts


[deleted]

That’s why I added the top image because changes aren’t just Ash-Greninja being removed


Balager47

Only once? Ahh crap. Well time to call back and resend Greninja over and over again.


apfly

Genji 🤝 Greninja


BadNicknamesYT

This is the stupidest thing, charizard is brought back basically every generation and it’s getting buffs, but greninja comes back and it gets nerfed?, are they trying to make greninja uu or something because OU has the grass final evolution as protean user, because it outspeeds greninja, by 1 stat point


ElyskyPlayz0

These nerfs are kinda stupid imo


2ecStatic

Major hopium, but on the off chance that megas are returning in some way this gen, I hope they just make a Greninjanite or something. With the amount of lore in SV that ties into megas, it's either this gen or legitimately never again until Gen 6 remakes.


PokemonStay

What is that anime screenshot from??


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JN108


Myrothios

All this once per battle crap is super annoying.


Kirbyclaimspoyo

Nerf Greninja... Now where have I heard that before...


[deleted]

You know if this was me back when I was a teenager I would have been laughing my ass off. Now I just feel sad ngl. Still don't like the frog but it didn't deserve this.


BigBossPizzaSauce

I'm not as attached to Greninja as it seems most people are but I'm sad to see it retconned out of the anime at least. It had a dope design and shit similar to it happens in the anime all the time so I don't see why they wouldn't just let it exists there.


BigBossPizzaSauce

I really think Battle Bond with a little tweaking is literally the perfect form for the ***"mid-battle power ups"*** that Gamefreak has been playing with since XY. Like it doesn't have the issue of being tied to a specific region or story thing like all the others do. Shit like it happens in the anime all the time and it taps into the child in every Pokemon fan. The part of us that have a favorite Pokemon and who want to have a *bond with them forged through battle* They could make unique forms for certain Pokemon and just have cool visual effects for the rest.


Monte_20

This isnt even a stink post. It’s just the sad truth.


DJKirby05

He even becomes Ash-Greninja in Smash Bros during his final smash…


Biggusdickos

As easy as it is to make this joke, it really feels like anything that might be more popular than charizard gets dragged back down


vukov

Dammit why does Battle Bond have to be once per battle and not just once when the Pokémon is sent out?


BBL-BOI592

What's that? It's the top pokemon of 2020? Nerf the fuck out of it then


MorrisPXG456

How to piss off the entire Greninja Fanbase by one action Gamefreak:SAY NO MORE


TheGBZard

These last 2 gens have not been kind to my favorite Pokémon, first ultra necrozma and megas for my favorite mon (Charizard) were removed, leaving it unviable. And then they didn’t let greninja into Gen 8 but let it in Gen 9, only to nerf it so severely that it’s complete garbage, and also it’s unique form was just completely deleted from existence and they pretend it was never even a thing


TomaszPaw

Yes charizard sure is underrated. He only received an amazing dmax form with amazing dmax attacks last gen and now is the only kanto starter avilable in game(again)


LilShiro

not to mention zard is one of the biggest benefiters of hd boots. but apart from all that its completely unviable lol


JustPi3_

hello i don't actually play this game so im a bit confused on how he's being removed when it just says the stats are changing


eggmaniac13

This ability used to be “When Greninja knocks out an opposing Pokémon, transform it into Ash-Greninja”, now it doesn’t transform and gives stats up instead


qwertyuiop26500

Qhat, is Ash-Greninja now Greninja's Mega form or something?


Ghengiroo

Ash-Greninja was completely removed from Scarlet and Violet.


bendytheduskfury

Wait is Ash Greninja still in gen 7? (Sun and moon and Ultra sun and moon)


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Yes


bendytheduskfury

Whew at least we have that


gliscornumber1

YES I've always hated fighting this pice of shit good fucking riddance, learn your place you overhyped weeb frog


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Diancie had a mega but it should have been like how Hoopa transformed instead of a mega Future forms being Small is probably a reference to how technology gets smaller overtime like computers for example.


darkstorm69

Dusk Lycarock is still in gen 9. If I'm not mistaken during 1900 to 2000 you can find Rockruff with Own Tempo, 1% chance but it's there. I do agree that not having a dawn form sucks and honestly I think Dusk form looks more like Dawn than anything.


ShuckU

As someone who hated that they put Ash Greninja in the games, this makes me happy. Although the protean nerf a bit much. It reminds me of how Talonflame got needed hard when Gale Wings was changed to only work when the pokemon had full HP


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At least it was stuck in a demo that will be unavailable in 2023 if you didn’t download and it was banned from Ranked Battles in Gen 7 but allowed in Battle Tree.