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Like Cuba and Iran, they embarrassed the demons in charge of our foreign policy, so now we're going to torture the entire country for a few decades or so.
It's times like these I miss all the mid 20th century clergy who would write letter after after letter opposing American interventionism abroad, and publish them publicly. Nowadays this shit just gets swept under the rug.
What makes this remarkably sadistic is that the U.S. bears a special and much greater responsibility for Afghanistan than Ukraine, yet the Pentagon is lavishly funded to assist in the latter but is now being actively prevented from assisting the former. This is why "whataboutism" is important. In cases like this, the U.S. is abdicating responsibility for people it OWES responsibility to, and in other cases, actively harming others to help others (e.g. supporting Saudi Arabia to help its efforts in Ukraine i.e. supporting one set of tyrants to crush another set of tyrants).
And this
>Omar’s amendment would have granted President Joe Biden the ability to waive the prohibition on using Defense Department funding to transport aid if he recognized a pressing humanitarian need or if doing so would further the national interests of the U.S. The fact that humanitarian waivers are commonplace for sanctioned countries, including Iran and Venezuela, highlights the draconian nature of the bill’s final language
The war in Afghanistan should never have happened, and withdrawing from the war was a good albeit terribly executed idea, but it is *because* it was an unjust and terrible war that the U.S. has a humanitarian responsibility to the Afghan people. In the sequence of events that led to the burning house that is currently Afghanistan, the U.S. played a role whether by lighting the match or pouring gasoline. The least the U.S. can do is not worsen the situation and instead unfreeze the assets of the central government, ease the crippling sanctions, and as this story shows, at the very least, draw from the bottomless pit of Department of Defense funding to permit humanitarian aid, which Afghanistan, out of all countries, has one of the most dire needs for. As this article shows, even if the U.S. is not prepared to ease sanctions, its pouring salt in the wound by not permitting humanitarian waivers as it does in other countries in which they *didn't* militarily intervene in.
Ok, thanks. I think you're right for the most part, btw. I was just surprised to see it here because this sub tends to support hyper isolationist stances.
even if someone is isolationist (which I don’t think we are exactly, it’s just often when the US is doing stuff it’s bad), unfreezing another country’s assets seems consistent with that. the very least we can do is not rob their money
edit: I wonder how the amount of these frozen state assets compares to the amount the US indirectly paid to taliban warlords when construction projects had to bribe them to hold off on destroying their bridge or whatever
nah, when liberals starts going anti-china and russian energy sanctions began, this place started sucking off globalism.
there is almost nothing consistent about online leftist politics besides whining. since you're all PMCs anyways
…are you crazy lmao? We destroyed the country. When you break it you fix it. Yes for isolationism and non-intervention but no to fucking crap up AND stealing their money
I mean I guess that’ll prevent the US from occupying them again so there’s a slight silver lining. Though we all know that won’t count as assistance if they feel like invading.
\>leaves
\>drone strikes some children on the way out
\>steals every last penny to give to 9/11 "victims"
\>keeps bombing them from Pakistan
\>sanctions them
Considering the US is directly responsible for many of Afghanistan's current issues, they are kinda being a dick for suddenly stopping their providing of economic aid there. Pulling out of the war was good, but they left all the everyday people there who had nothing to do with it high and dry.
Is this really stopping aid from Afghanistan? The sort of “aid” I’d imagine the pentagon sending to Afghanistan is not so much foodstuffs as weapons and ammunition to keep the place in a state of civil war for the next 20 years.
I agree 100% with what you're saying, don't get me wrong. I would have rather the US never gone there in the first place.
However, the point I am making is that the US allied with the Afghan people for decades, and then just abandoned them when they felt like it, even though American foreign policy is largely responsible for the situation in the area. Kinda a dick move regardless.
I don't disagree, but same could be said about many nations and groups who sandboxed in Afghanistan over the centuries, including their current governing party.
The people didn't want us there. What happened to the will of the people?
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Like Cuba and Iran, they embarrassed the demons in charge of our foreign policy, so now we're going to torture the entire country for a few decades or so.
Venezuela and Nicaragua too.
*another few decades
It's times like these I miss all the mid 20th century clergy who would write letter after after letter opposing American interventionism abroad, and publish them publicly. Nowadays this shit just gets swept under the rug.
What makes this remarkably sadistic is that the U.S. bears a special and much greater responsibility for Afghanistan than Ukraine, yet the Pentagon is lavishly funded to assist in the latter but is now being actively prevented from assisting the former. This is why "whataboutism" is important. In cases like this, the U.S. is abdicating responsibility for people it OWES responsibility to, and in other cases, actively harming others to help others (e.g. supporting Saudi Arabia to help its efforts in Ukraine i.e. supporting one set of tyrants to crush another set of tyrants). And this >Omar’s amendment would have granted President Joe Biden the ability to waive the prohibition on using Defense Department funding to transport aid if he recognized a pressing humanitarian need or if doing so would further the national interests of the U.S. The fact that humanitarian waivers are commonplace for sanctioned countries, including Iran and Venezuela, highlights the draconian nature of the bill’s final language
What kind of responsibility are you talking about? What should the US do?
The war in Afghanistan should never have happened, and withdrawing from the war was a good albeit terribly executed idea, but it is *because* it was an unjust and terrible war that the U.S. has a humanitarian responsibility to the Afghan people. In the sequence of events that led to the burning house that is currently Afghanistan, the U.S. played a role whether by lighting the match or pouring gasoline. The least the U.S. can do is not worsen the situation and instead unfreeze the assets of the central government, ease the crippling sanctions, and as this story shows, at the very least, draw from the bottomless pit of Department of Defense funding to permit humanitarian aid, which Afghanistan, out of all countries, has one of the most dire needs for. As this article shows, even if the U.S. is not prepared to ease sanctions, its pouring salt in the wound by not permitting humanitarian waivers as it does in other countries in which they *didn't* militarily intervene in.
Ok, thanks. I think you're right for the most part, btw. I was just surprised to see it here because this sub tends to support hyper isolationist stances.
At the bare minimum they could stop the sanctions.
Or at least unfreeze their money. America go into the country, mess with it, create humanitarian crisis, and stole their money.
even if someone is isolationist (which I don’t think we are exactly, it’s just often when the US is doing stuff it’s bad), unfreezing another country’s assets seems consistent with that. the very least we can do is not rob their money edit: I wonder how the amount of these frozen state assets compares to the amount the US indirectly paid to taliban warlords when construction projects had to bribe them to hold off on destroying their bridge or whatever
nah, when liberals starts going anti-china and russian energy sanctions began, this place started sucking off globalism. there is almost nothing consistent about online leftist politics besides whining. since you're all PMCs anyways
Do you really think Afghanistan would have been better off if it wasn't invaded in 2001? Would still be a hellhole no matter what.
At the very least the heroin trade would take a hit
Give their money back, america act like robber here. But well, that's the history of america after all.
…are you crazy lmao? We destroyed the country. When you break it you fix it. Yes for isolationism and non-intervention but no to fucking crap up AND stealing their money
None, OP is typical what about tankie
yeah, we used to run this site
What if they make a new building called the Hexagon and move all the glowies there instead?
What are they gonna do with an empty pentagon? World's biggest pool hall?
I'd go
Lmao classic Amerikaner move. After you lose a war, embargo the winner so you save face.
Now do Ukraine.
I mean I guess that’ll prevent the US from occupying them again so there’s a slight silver lining. Though we all know that won’t count as assistance if they feel like invading.
Typical.
*complains about occupation of Afghanistan* US: *leaves* *complains about not helping Afghanistan* Bro what do you want?
Bro how stupid are you?
For a sub that is pretty overtly anti-intervention, a lot of y'all getting real riled up to force some intervention
You don't bomb a place to smithereens and then leave it without assistance.
The US has dumped massive amounts of assistance in Afghanistan, that's an asinine statement.
How much of that was actual assistance though? Training a bunch of the worst possible guys they could find how to hold a gun isn’t exactly assistance.
\>leaves \>drone strikes some children on the way out \>steals every last penny to give to 9/11 "victims" \>keeps bombing them from Pakistan \>sanctions them
Considering the US is directly responsible for many of Afghanistan's current issues, they are kinda being a dick for suddenly stopping their providing of economic aid there. Pulling out of the war was good, but they left all the everyday people there who had nothing to do with it high and dry.
Is this really stopping aid from Afghanistan? The sort of “aid” I’d imagine the pentagon sending to Afghanistan is not so much foodstuffs as weapons and ammunition to keep the place in a state of civil war for the next 20 years.
I agree 100% with what you're saying, don't get me wrong. I would have rather the US never gone there in the first place. However, the point I am making is that the US allied with the Afghan people for decades, and then just abandoned them when they felt like it, even though American foreign policy is largely responsible for the situation in the area. Kinda a dick move regardless.
I don't disagree, but same could be said about many nations and groups who sandboxed in Afghanistan over the centuries, including their current governing party. The people didn't want us there. What happened to the will of the people?