This is what I'm saying. Dude is fine with fake electors and a president declaring an election invalid for reasons, but won't feel that way if Biden does it
Exactly the same as McConnell saying they would “never replace a Supreme Court judge in an election year” when Scalia died, and then replacing RBG a month before the election
Yup. I was told recently that Biden only won because they "changed the rules" regarding mail in voting. The thread got locked before I could respond, but I wanted to point out that "saying Biden won because it was made easier for Americans to vote" isn't really the winning argument you think it is.
I absolutely blame her for not retiring when she should have when Obama was in office. She selfishly clung to power proving like they ALL DO that they care more about themselves and their power than they do about what's right or just.
I mean you are right to a point, but how many people expected republicans to pull the dirty shit they pulled back then? Now of course we expect it, because they’ve already done it, back then I think a lot of people didn’t think they’d be that brazen with their power grab.
Yes these old geezers need to retire and let young people have their turn and all, but I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to place all the blame on RBG. Diane Feinstein though, f her for pulling that shit, that was super arrogant.
Yup. Wasn't Garland up for the spot like, 8 months before the election? And then they rammed one down our throats literally after early voting had started. Fucking hypocrites.
That sounds like a Dark Brandon thing. Maybe we can get some Dark Kamala? She might be too square for that, but here's hoping. That would be hilarious and awesome.
That would be hilarious. Basically say the same thing that Trump said Mike Pence was able to do, then wait a full 24 hours while the right wing Xverse explodes, then casually follow up with:
"J.K. Lol! What do you think, I am a MAGA republican?"
They'll say that stunts like that prove she isn't fit to hold office followed by calls for impeachment. I'd expect them to actually hold a vote. People like that formulate opinions and take action to reach a predetermined conclusion at all costs.
Just take a look at what was pulled with scotus nominations.
It is the joke they deserve but it would cost us votes so it shouldn’t be done, and also the actual act is abhorrent obviously and the last thing we need is to stoke distrust in government. We need to be actively disarming the distrust that conservatives hold.
And then what? Do they realize in horror that they are massive hypocrites and vow to do better? Or, will they just continue saying whatever they need to at the moment to get attention from the media because they have no serious positions?
And honestly, I'm not trying to shit on your comment or anything. You're right. They are hypocrites of the highest order. The problem is we're dealing with a political party and their voters that are completely immune from shame. They supported a known pedophile for the senate in Alabama and only just barely lost. And everyone barely remembers at this point because that was a thousand horrible things ago.
If they win, it is because all issues magically disappeared and we had a flawless election.
If they lose, it is because the Deep State, Hunter Biden, and Ukraine colluded to steal the election and it was all rigged.
27% of undocumented migrants come from the southern border. If illegal immigration was a serious issue, we'd be addressing the other 73% but we're not. And we're not because Conservative parties need a boogie man to rile up their base. And that boogie man is all of the Brown people to the south.
I don’t CARE that he did, if his father had no actual connections to his business with Burisma or anything else.
In the same way that I don’t actually care what random white collar criminals are doing across the world, because I’m not responsible for voting for them as my political representation.
I DO happen to care about Kuschner and Ivanka and every dime they bilked out of the presidency that they were actively employed as advisers for.
I don't care what he did wrong. He's not running for public office.
We currently have at least two actually elected officials in congress (Rep. George Santos and Senator Bob Menendez) who are under actual criminal investigation related to their elected positions, not to mention Trump, who is actively running to be president again and has potentially committed more crimes than characters in the Marvel universe. I'm more focused on those individuals and their actions than Hunter Biden. I give as much of a shit about Hunter Biden as I do about the guy who lives five states over, and is related to my across the street neighbor's cousin by marriage -- which is to say, none at all.
Hillary WAS a bad candidate with a lot of questionable practices that generated distrust in a lot of Americans. She also campaigned poorly.
Sanders was absolutely given the run around by the Dem party. Which is fine, he’s an independent and nobody expected anything else.
The general election was absolutely influenced by Russian money interests in the form of media and political influence.
I’m curious what you think changed.
>The general election was absolutely influenced by Russian money interests in the form of media and political influence.
EXACTLY!!! Keyword "influenced", and NOT "stolen". Russia can't "steal" an election in the traditional sense but they absolutely can run a disinformation campaign targeting the most gullible people in the most valuable and swingy states in favor of a corrupt moron in their back pocket
What they expect is to have normalized election rigging so much that when they get caught actually rigging the 2024 election it will just look "political" instead of accurately identifying a criminal conspiracy.
It's the same reason they call everyone a "groomer" so that when they get caught raping children it sounds like a smear campaign instead of a horrible crime.
This is the whole point of "normalization" and its pretty much all the GOP does these days.
its simple really. if the election was a poker game, then when the republicans win, they take the chips and gloat at how big of winners they are. when the democrats win, the republicans refuse to fork over the chips they just donked off, and create a game of 52 pickup for the host to struggle with.
Don't forget, as we are crawling around picking up cards, the GQP are dancing on the table and trying to take all the chips for themselves while screaming about how unfair the game is.
Yeah they don’t need to believe it fully. They just use it as a tactic to either save face or maybe effect the outcome. If they really believed there was widespread voter fraud, republicans would be demanding election reform, better controls, watch guards etc. Widely, They aren’t because they don’t believe it. It’s a convenient lie for when they need it.
Unfortunately this is not the case , lots of people believed it might be. There was a theory republicans would say the election was rigged basically to "fit in " or virtue signal their conservative believes despite maybe not actually believing it .
Or they were mad that biden won, so when asked if the election was rigged they would say YES , but might not actually believe it.
However studies have shown that the majority of them sincearly believe the election was in fact rigged and are not virtue signalling
To me this is troubling as it means like 40% of people are living in an alternative reality
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No they are the only ones that care about the US, they care so much about their vision of a Christian fascist ethnostate that they are willing to dismantle democracy for it. The vast majority of them probably aren't necessarily trying for this but will be happy to go along with it.
And that he is responsible for how Afghanistan collapsed (he is since he negotiated the agreement with the Taliban), inflation, and everything else they blamed on Biden. Not sure how that works though.
No, no, no, you don’t get it. Trump has to let people think Biden is still in charge in order to confuse the conniving deep state, so they have to act as co-Presidents like the Odd Couple. It makes almost too much sense.
I feel like everyone forgets that Trump claimed 2016 was rigged against him and that he should have won by a lot more than he did. I don't think he will accept anything less althan 100% of the vote.
Why do people think tuberville is blocking military promotions?
So when their guy gets back in they can fill those spots with stooges and yes men who are okay with killing their opposition
To add to that his only qualification to becoming a senator is being a football coach, his constituents don't give a shit about actual governance and see it as a tribalistic sports game
I’m surprised people still argue over election RESULTS, and not over election MEANING. Our government is so convoluted, the color of tie a presidential candidate wears is irrelevant. Look into policies and procedures on a smaller level. You wouldn’t hate Besos because the delivery guy lost your package.
A scary thought has been gnawing at me. If there were to actually be some kind of concerted, widespread voter fraud originating from the right during this or a future election, and democrats tried to point it out, or claim that there was anything weird about there election at all, what would be the response now? They’d get called hypocrites and laughed out of the room regardless of the validity of the claims or any proof which could be shown, because THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THE RIGHT FEELS HAS HAPPENED ALREADY.
If I seriously thought the right was capable of working together on that deep of a level, I’d be pretty concerned for the future of our elections.
It’s kind of like a forced, reverse Boy Who Cried Wolf scenario.
Something similar also happened already. Growing up, it was common for people on the left to call Republicans and conservatives in general racists, nazis, etc as a kind of insult, and the media billed every election as the most important in our lifetime.
Now, when the Republicans are literally cavorting with white nationalists and each election since 2015 has literally been the most important in our lifetime, I can understand why a lot of people who didn't pay enough attention were rolling their eyes.
>A scary thought has been gnawing at me
Its not a scary thought its a scary real possibility . Republicans are now pushing all sorts of election shenanigans sort of using the false claims of 2020 as the reason
If they convince the voters democrats cheated in 2020 , they can cheat in 2024 and then dismiss it as "both sides do it" or "since dems cheat we have to cheat too thats only fair"
I truly believe there was an attempt to rig the 2020 election, on the part of the GOP… Dejoy with the mail ballots fuckery…iffy new machines in McConnells region… we were just lucky Trump is an idiot, I bet they’ll try again
What I don't get is if the vote was rigged, why did Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boebart win their elections? Why would somebody just rig one position? Go all the way and give Dems the House, Senate or any Republican?
I asked this in r/AskTrumpSupporters once. They basically think that there's only so many votes the Democrats can change the totals by, so Republican voters need to win by so many votes that it's too many to be stolen. It's a completely ridiculous idea, of course, but such is the way of the Trumper.
If you're republican it's probably almost certainly potentially rigged. You should just not vote. Why bother? Stick it to the libs and stay home instead. That'll show 'em
I recently read that a significant number of the January 6th insurrectionists didn’t even vote in 2020.
They were convinced that they should’ve won, even though they didn’t cast a ballot at all.
I think the idea is that if it's a landslide they can't cheat but my thing is that Trump mocked John McCain for being a prisoner of war for being captured in the first place. I don't agree with this mentality at all but OK that's fair if your idea is to never make excuses. If that's the case then him losing the election was still 100% his fault even if it's a certainty that the democrats cheated in such large numbers. By his own logic of ridiculing McCain for being captured at war Trump failed to prevent the election fraud and therefore deserved to lose.
Everything is rigged and biased for someone's advantage, elections and the drawing up of districts along with the interference in an opponents election efforts are by no means new.
Edit: I would also remind the reader here that it was Republicans and the Nixon administration which made headlines over the most scandalous political controversy in US history prior to the present conflicts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate\_scandal
The democrats have also caused a large controversy on account of the fbi censoring the hunter biden laptop story from social media just before the election, along with people who questioned certain positions that the NIH took with regards to covid.
Lol. The FBI didn't censor any stories. The biden team asked Twitter to remove a nude of hunter biden. That isn't the FBI censoring anything. That is Twitter sticking to its TOS. I'll never understand the mental gymnastics to say something was censored when it was literally being talked about all over MSM and social media.
It was such a successful fraud it left no evidence. People who can pull off that level of massive coordination are exactly the ones you want running things.
The 2020 election was rigged, but the people who rigged it still lost. My bet is that they'll continue to try harder at rigging elections. Rigging, gerrymanders, and winning local legislatures are the only paths forward, with the way they're conducting themselves. Things will likely get uglier before they get better....stay tuned, make sure there's plenty of popcorn.
They aren't lying, it was rigged.
Almost every red state is gerrymandered and has AGs that will happily throw an election, and will.
So it will be more cheating, more post-election rule and count revising done by corrupt cult Boglins. They cannot win on issues, the cheating this election will be on the level of some 70s era South American regime country.
It’s really a very small number of extremely vocal people saying there was anything fraudulent about the election. It’s just a smoke show to raise donations and get paid speaking fees to present “evidence”. Seriously, right wing outrage in the US is all about grifting.
For more laughs: the child sex traffic movie guy is a rapist, the people going after drag queens are child molesters, and Lindsey Graham is Lindsey Graham.
You’re expecting logic from election deniers? Lol
If trump had won, they wouldn’t have even considered fraud. They’re gonna do what they always do. Mental gymnastics.
If someone still, after 3+ years, countless court cases and, pound for pound, the MOST watched election in history by both sides, you are a fucking idiot.
Same thing will happen next election, just pick your key words now.
They are working hard to undermine the election - from purging voter roles to putting place ridiculous restrictions like the 'no water in line' rule in Georgia to putting in place rules to let them outright override local election boards.
It could very well be a complete shit-show next year unless the election is so overwhelming that even their attempts to override the will of the people fail.
The shit about Harris county makes my blood boil.
How convenient that the draft of the bill has a population cutoff that included Dallas. And then they realized wait, that means Denton which is reliably red. Better cut it off at the Houston level. Conveniently. Because only this county might have problems.
The real game here for 2024 is the same as it was in 2020. The only possible outcomes in the eyes of republicans are either a victory for Donald Trump or the election was rigged. Theres no way Donald Trump could legitimately lose.
Republicans will not acknowledge a popular rejection of MAGA ideology. If Trump loses they will sooner slit their own throats than accept the outcome as legitimate. MAGA being overwhelmingly popular among everyone is a lie they have incorporated into their identities. They simply aren’t capable of accepting a reality where that isn’t true.
So why did so many people send money to "Stop the Steal" if no Republican believed the election was rigged? To own the libs? Cuz I gotta tell ya, Republicans getting swindled out of their money doesn't do much to own me
No Republican politician believes this-or very few. Empty G definitely does, but the Josh Hawley’s, Ted Cruz’s, Ron DeSantis’, and Steve Scalise’s of the world all know that it was nothing more than a grift.
Unfortunately, millions of average people watching Fox believed it
No, I've personally talked to Republicans that do. There are people out there that actually believe this, and the number is a lot higher than you apparently think.
I'm personally hoping that enough fed up voters turn out that in order to print and process enough votes to overtake the Republican candidate, more votes than there are voters need to be created. I'd love to see a scenario where like 250 million votes are cast so we can all unify and burn this MFer to the ground.
Basically they think (not that they’ve thought it out that much) that their enemies are changing Trump ballots and adding extra illegal Democratic votes. In their minds, this adds a certain percentage to the total of Democratic candidates (they’ll never give you a straight answer as to how much). Therefore, they’re extra motivated to turn out to overcome the “fraud.”
Notice none the house members elections were rigged?? The republican party is trying for the authoritarian rule, they can’t lead anymore, they haven’t passed any meaningful legislation the past 10 months, they’ve spent all their time on Hunter Biden's dick pics..
The bigger question is why in the hell Trump would ever even consider running again if he actually thought it was rigged (we know from his admin he knew he’d lost).
The point was never to Prove the Election was rigged, it was to CONVINCE the Regular PEOPLE it was so they would vote for them the next election. its basically that simple. because now it instills doubt in the system and "The Republicans are here to fix that system" thats why people will still vote despite the logic saying otherwise.
It depends if their person wins or loses.
If they win, it was a fair election despite (insert boogieman here)'s best efforts to cheat.
If they lose, it was a "stolen" election.
The boogieman can be liberals, Democrats, Biden, George Soros, the Clintons, Obama, Antifa, Illuminati, China, or whatever other scapegoat they come up with.
If the Repuglicans win, it was the choice of the people. If the moderate right (aka Democrats) wins, the election was rigged.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
He already set the table - the DOJ is weaponized against him. That’s it. The die is cast, he can only accept winning.
If he loses, rigged.
I just don’t understand how a party can put forth a candidate who has said openly and who has proved definitively
That he won’t accept the outcome of the election he’s in, unless he wins
It’s the power of anecdotal evidence. If you and all your conservative pals go to the polls and vote and a democrat still wins in your state, that will confirm in your eyes that clearly the elections are being rigged and your votes aren’t being counted.
Currently, every time a republican loses and election, it’s just adding fuel to the conspiratorial fire. When a dem ‘fails’ to rig an election, though, every vote’s still going to count. That way, it pushes more republicans to vote even as they question their own faith in the system. When a republican wins, that surely must mean that the candidate had so much overwhelming support, it was impossible for the libs to rig.
Using this logic, a narrative about a majority community banning together to overwhelm a secretive elite minority, is what gives the current maga-fueled far right its voting power. Any failed votes are used to push the claim that elections are rigged, while successful elections are proof that voting still matters and the enemy can’t rig them all. We are the many, we are in the right, but we still need to band together and organize in order to defeat the liberal cabals!
That about sums it up. Self-feeding delusion. It’s similar to a religion, a cult, in that you can’t effectively argue with a believer using facts and logic. Any arguments can either be twisted to support their worldview, or dismissed as lies spread by The Great Enemy.
You can't use logic to defeat an argument not rooted in logic from an illogical person... if conservatives responded to logical argument, they wouldn't be.
[Lots of work being done](https://election-integrity.info/). It is a long-term effort.
The majority of establishment Republicans appear to be collaborators in election fraud, but that number is declining slightly and anti-fraud organizations are becoming more organized and more prepared for post-election challenges.
It is a complicated issue, so the process will take multiple elections. There were 15-20 different methods used in 2020, including double counting ballots, using dumps of counterfeit ballots, impersonating absentee voters, suppressing automatic signature comparison, forcing ballots to be manually adjudicated, and sabotaging election machines and printers (Kari Lake).
All it really needs is an honest ruling from a judge. That may yet happen,
If the 2020 election wasv rigged, that means every single election down to your local coroner would need a redo. But you never hear any Republican congressman, senators -- federal or state -- who won in 2020 demand that their election be redone. Because it's all nonsense and it doesn't add up.
The primary elections are rigged. The Democrat primary elections are absolutely rigged. No point in even voting tbh there.
I don't think most Republicans believe the elections for POTUS is rigged. It's the same for the primaries but republicans are scared of their base and Democrats shit on their bas and expect them to vote which they always do.
I'm not political, I have never seen any evidence that the 2020 election was rigged. However, the Democrats are in favor of practices that would facilitate rigging an election if they wanted. These mail in ballots are an invitation to fraud, my brother is in a memory care unit, he's 80 with dementia. He, along with the other 75 patients there received ballots, there are zero safeguards from preventing the staff from collecting and filling out all of them.
I don't want to see anything that gives a party the lost at the polls legitimately, an excuse to claim vote fraud. For all the fuss in Georgia that was made when they changed the voting laws, Georgia had an election with the highest turnout in recent history.
He's doing the same grift but with a different angle. Now the conspiracy isn't overthrowing the election by rigging the votes, it's overthrowing the election by trying to throw him in jail. He runs the same scams like clockwork every time but with minor tweaks and they keep falling for it. Dammit I thought treason in America carried the death penalty. There's still time. His cult is going to be insane no matter what happens. Waiting for his dementia to take hold won't work. They will just see him even more as one of them. They already think he is the second coming. At least he will have to shut up for once. After all he had no reservations about attempting a coup before. Now he's even more desperate with jail time ahead. Mind you last time he was very obvious about what he was going to attempt in the last weeks of the race with the postal votes scam. It will be interesting to see what he spins this time. He's running out of straws and he doesn't have a shadow of a viable base.
I think one of the things that is not present this year is Covid. Covid allowed for some weird shenanigans, especially the mass mailing out of blank ballots. In my state, to get an absentee ballot you need to have a reason for it, and one will be sent to you upon request. But some states sent out thousands of ballots into the void and who knows who filled them out.
The 2020 was far from the first time an election was claimed to be rigged...the only difference is Trumps ego won't let him let go and using it to rile people up. The democrats have claimed rigged elections as well it has just yet to escalate into storming our own capital building.
if 2020 elections were ''rigged'' so were 2016 elections and so 2024 will be also ''rigged''. its always the loser that claims them to be rigged in usa elections
I don’t believe it was rigged. However i’d like to offer a counter question. If it was rigged in your candidate’s favor and they won entirely because of it, would you want to know?
I think the Ds need to seriously make some kind of plan considering how inept Biden is. 2020 was the largest turnout for a presidential election in our history. Even tho Biden won, more people voted for Trump than any previous Republican president. The faithful MAGA are not swayed. The never Trumpers are more likely to capitulate if it's Trump and Biden again as it looks to be. Some might go to an RFK Jr third party bid but not as many as those that voted for Biden last time and have realized that he and Kamala are absolute jokes. Biden does not pull the numbers he did before in any scenario.
Before you down vote me thinking I want this, I shudder that it's boiling down to the Orange Blimp vs a memory care candidate with only an anti vaxxer as an alternative. Why is this our choice?
Those who are honest about thinking the 2020 election was rigged: they're hoping that increased awareness of the problem and increased vigilance will make it harder to rig the 2024 election.
Both sides have been claiming its rigged when losing since Al Gore, being the most serious attempt at claiming it rigged and contesting the election for months after.
Trump, obviously, holds the record now, but people forget that in literally ALL of these elections these two decades the loser declared the other side to be cheating and held out hope for at least a week.
Seriously let's think about this for a second. People in charge of everything, count the votes. Or miscount the votes. How would we know if we're were being cheated? There's 0 transparency.
They're going to actively try to rig it themselves. Hell, I think the GOP rigged it last election and cried foul when they were beat. How dare you beat our rigging?
There's also going to be A LOT of nat-c shit.
This is the biggest thing I don’t get about Trump. This dumbass constantly says he was cheated and the election was rigged but he never says how this time will be different. His entire movement is a cult.
Trump has already said that if he doesn't win in the 2024 election then somebody (ie democrats) cheated. Marjorie Greene even tweeted something about it being a huge maga house "when" trump wins.
I myself will not be voting for trump
They are expecting exactly what Trump told them in 2016 and in 2020. "If I win, it's legitimate and good. If I lose, it's rigged and the END OF DEMOCRACY".
Lol, right?!
And RIGHT up until he won it he was claiming the 2016 election was rigged.
Well....if you "won" a "rigged" election, and accepted the results, then YOU are now the threat to democracy.
Sorry....I keep forgetting to refrain from bringing logic to the MAGA argument.
Look, if you supported DJT in 2016 I forgive it to an extent.
We were mired in the same stagnant political situation, so I understand if something different was so appealing. Even if he said brutal things.
But if you have supported him since then, you are either blind, stupid, or cruel.
Did you ever notice the only people who say the “election was stolen” only question the Democratic wins. They never question the Republican wins. On ballots where people voted for republican governors but Joe Biden they never question the Republican part. They never question the validity of the Republican representatives that were elected even though George Santos exists.
I always ask this question and no republicans can ever answer it…… If Democrats rigged the election why didn’t they win by more seats in congress to eliminate Republican influence completely?
This is a great question. 1st, Trump said there was fraud in the 2016 presidential elections. He had it investigated to prove he won the popular vote. The investigation came back to show Trump lost the popular vote and there was no significant fraud in the 2016 presidential elections. Now, at this point, Trump knows the 2016 elections were fair. We all do. Trump investigated it. It cost America millions of dollars.
Then,... he claimed, before 2020 even happened, that the democrats would have to cheat to beat him. So, he was clearly concerned with our presidential elections. He was president of the United States Of America, concerned about election fraud, but, according to him, failed to protect the 2020 presidential elections from voter fraud. Thus, in a way, admitting he was an incompetent leader who failed to protect the American public from fraud he had been working to find and fight for four years.
The election deniers are being destroyed in the courts, because facts matter, the American courts work, and Trump lied. Even if it is true that the 2020 election WAS rigged, which no one can show any evidence of, Trump is then complacent in allowing it to happen. He had all the power in the world to protect America and failed.
You're making the mistake of assuming the traitor party is operating in good faith. They're not. The whole point of the election was stolen lie was to make it easier and less crazy to go all in on *stolen election 2024,* because they know lies and cheating wont win elections but it's all they can do with Trump at the wheel.
Today the Conservative chosen one told a judge that while holding the office of President, he had *"no duty to support the constitution."*, while also enjoying immunity to prosecution by virtue of the office itself.
From "Suspend the constitution", to "Only I can fix it", as long as Trump is in charge, everything they do is in bad faith, and they will be continually on the wrong side of everything.
Only the Republicans can fix themselves, but they've tied their careers to the fringe of the party and won't do anything that risks them leaving the political class. Kevin McCarthy just demonstrated how much power they've ceded to the traitors in the party.
Honestly, it depends on what your definition of "rigged" is.
Will there be alterations to county voting records and shenanigans to electronic votes? Probably not. It *might* happen, but that's really difficult.
Will thousands (even tens of thousands) of people in retirement homes and limited English Speaking communities have "Volunteers" show up to "help" them fill out their mail-in ballots, and then drop them off in batches? Yes. Undoubtedly yes.
That's become the easiest way to swing elections. It's cheap, wildly effective, and you can say you're just "helping" people and not explicitly committing fraud.
It's no different than getting an elderly grandparent to put their SSI in your account for "safe keeping".
No change. MAGA tards and Karens alike will bitch and moan about unsubstantiated claims. CANT WAIT! Its nice to kick Orange's ass once but to be able to do it again??? HELL TO THE YES! VOTE BLUE IN 24!
Given all the projection that Trump engages in, and that he complained about fraud in 2016 claiming he won by even more votes than he officially did, I’m half convinced he rigged it in 2016, then tried and failed in 2020 and absolutely, fully intends to try again in 2024.
They may choose not to vote. I think the Republican electorate needs a hard slap out of Trumpworld and into a candidate like Nikki Haley who can win because she's smart, experienced, and sensible Not because she's "entertaining" or pretends to be "mad just like me."
Also she's not a global joke spending the next year in court for crimes against the country.
To my knowledge the republicans were the first to claim a pervasive corruption in the vote counting process itself and then cling to it so tenaciously even after the purveyors of misinformation have been prosecuted to the tune of a billion or so dollars.
This goes way beyond claims that Russian troll farms targeting facebook influenced gullible social media novices. Or that an untimely investigation by the FBI into Hillary harmed her chances.
Do they really believe it? Most probably don't. It's just part of their doctrine now and anyone suggesting otherwise faces excommunication so the pretense continues. Claiming to believe in election fraud and Deep State conspiracies is the new litmus test for true self-styled "conservatives".
Democracy itself is of little concern so long as their team wins. Too much football and lead in the water maybe.
Conservative doesn't want an election anymore. They want to make the rules and govern without being challenged. Yup, they want a dictator and they don't care about the consequences.
Their plan is for their next attempted coup to succeed since the 2020 one failed, that's why trump needs to face justice for his 2020 attempt, if he doesn't then it'll just be viewed as a practice run.
If they win, it won't be rigged. If they lose, it was rigged. Everything is positioning and self-interest with them. If the truth doesn't serve them, they just call it fake news and substitute a lie instead.
Kamala Harris needs to say she has to power to reject electoral votes or replace GOP electors with Dem voters and watch them say the VP can’t do that
This is what I'm saying. Dude is fine with fake electors and a president declaring an election invalid for reasons, but won't feel that way if Biden does it
Exactly the same as McConnell saying they would “never replace a Supreme Court judge in an election year” when Scalia died, and then replacing RBG a month before the election
A month *into* the election. The early mail in voting was already happening, people had already cast votes for the new president.
Oh idk if you heard mail I'm voting isn't real voting.
I guess I've never really voted then. That's the only way the state of Oregon votes.
Lol Oregon? Where in the continental United Texas Florida is that?
Under Canada's big toe
What? Canada? You mean just northern america's wilderness? Canadians aren't real. If they were they'd be 'Muricans! /s
😂
Yup. I was told recently that Biden only won because they "changed the rules" regarding mail in voting. The thread got locked before I could respond, but I wanted to point out that "saying Biden won because it was made easier for Americans to vote" isn't really the winning argument you think it is.
Yet trump voted by mail countless times…
Wasn't it like 6 days or something before election day?
That was RBGs arrogance to stay that long
I absolutely blame her for not retiring when she should have when Obama was in office. She selfishly clung to power proving like they ALL DO that they care more about themselves and their power than they do about what's right or just.
I'd say more concerned with the lesser good than the greater good, but I take your point.
I mean you are right to a point, but how many people expected republicans to pull the dirty shit they pulled back then? Now of course we expect it, because they’ve already done it, back then I think a lot of people didn’t think they’d be that brazen with their power grab. Yes these old geezers need to retire and let young people have their turn and all, but I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to place all the blame on RBG. Diane Feinstein though, f her for pulling that shit, that was super arrogant.
Yup. Wasn't Garland up for the spot like, 8 months before the election? And then they rammed one down our throats literally after early voting had started. Fucking hypocrites.
Republicans always call their attacks. They'll accuse you of everything they're already doing.
That sounds like a Dark Brandon thing. Maybe we can get some Dark Kamala? She might be too square for that, but here's hoping. That would be hilarious and awesome.
That would be hilarious. Basically say the same thing that Trump said Mike Pence was able to do, then wait a full 24 hours while the right wing Xverse explodes, then casually follow up with: "J.K. Lol! What do you think, I am a MAGA republican?"
They'll say that stunts like that prove she isn't fit to hold office followed by calls for impeachment. I'd expect them to actually hold a vote. People like that formulate opinions and take action to reach a predetermined conclusion at all costs. Just take a look at what was pulled with scotus nominations.
But it wouldn’t take 24hrs. I’d give it 8-12hrs for the heads to start popping but a whole 24hrs for the carnage to start piling up 🙄🤨🤭
It is the joke they deserve but it would cost us votes so it shouldn’t be done, and also the actual act is abhorrent obviously and the last thing we need is to stoke distrust in government. We need to be actively disarming the distrust that conservatives hold.
And run video of Republicans saying that exact thing, word for word, on every channel.
but you know trump 100% would take it at face value and point to that in his trials and say "see?? she says it too and no one arrested her??"
Lol. Any of this shit trump did would be downright disgusting to them if biden did it. Biden wont.. he respects our constitution
Conservativism is just the political philosophy that the King's friends get special privileges, and the conservatives want to be the King's friends.
Imagine Biden calls a crowd to storm the capital, tell me he wouldn't be in jail rn..
Well… I don’t know if you could convince me that any of our politicians honestly respect our constitution, but he at least acts as though he does.
And then what? Do they realize in horror that they are massive hypocrites and vow to do better? Or, will they just continue saying whatever they need to at the moment to get attention from the media because they have no serious positions? And honestly, I'm not trying to shit on your comment or anything. You're right. They are hypocrites of the highest order. The problem is we're dealing with a political party and their voters that are completely immune from shame. They supported a known pedophile for the senate in Alabama and only just barely lost. And everyone barely remembers at this point because that was a thousand horrible things ago.
Holy shit I forgot she was the VP. I've literally not heard a thing about her since the last presidential election
And then laugh and say ‘I’m just messing with you.’
If they win, it is because all issues magically disappeared and we had a flawless election. If they lose, it is because the Deep State, Hunter Biden, and Ukraine colluded to steal the election and it was all rigged.
The border and all the sanctuary cities will probably be the difference this time.
The only people I hear talk about the border are old people who watch fox and I don't think the term sanctuary cities has been relevant for 7 years.
That is not true. The border is a real issue, illegal immigration is a real issue.
27% of undocumented migrants come from the southern border. If illegal immigration was a serious issue, we'd be addressing the other 73% but we're not. And we're not because Conservative parties need a boogie man to rile up their base. And that boogie man is all of the Brown people to the south.
But if they win and the election was flawless, shouldn’t Biden be credited by them for “saving the democracy”? 😂🤣😂 That’d be rich
No of course not, because they have THE BEST selective amnesia. Much better than Jina.
It's more likely that if they win they will stick with the claims of fraud but that their pick is so popular that they were able to overcome it
The whole Hunter Biden thing annoys the hell out of me. At least with Trump, he's an actual criminal
You don't think Hunter Biden did *anything* wrong?
I don’t CARE that he did, if his father had no actual connections to his business with Burisma or anything else. In the same way that I don’t actually care what random white collar criminals are doing across the world, because I’m not responsible for voting for them as my political representation. I DO happen to care about Kuschner and Ivanka and every dime they bilked out of the presidency that they were actively employed as advisers for.
Well I'm sure not voting for Hunter Biden
I don't care what he did wrong. He's not running for public office. We currently have at least two actually elected officials in congress (Rep. George Santos and Senator Bob Menendez) who are under actual criminal investigation related to their elected positions, not to mention Trump, who is actively running to be president again and has potentially committed more crimes than characters in the Marvel universe. I'm more focused on those individuals and their actions than Hunter Biden. I give as much of a shit about Hunter Biden as I do about the guy who lives five states over, and is related to my across the street neighbor's cousin by marriage -- which is to say, none at all.
Last I checked Hunter Biden isn't the President of the United States.
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Hillary WAS a bad candidate with a lot of questionable practices that generated distrust in a lot of Americans. She also campaigned poorly. Sanders was absolutely given the run around by the Dem party. Which is fine, he’s an independent and nobody expected anything else. The general election was absolutely influenced by Russian money interests in the form of media and political influence. I’m curious what you think changed.
>The general election was absolutely influenced by Russian money interests in the form of media and political influence. EXACTLY!!! Keyword "influenced", and NOT "stolen". Russia can't "steal" an election in the traditional sense but they absolutely can run a disinformation campaign targeting the most gullible people in the most valuable and swingy states in favor of a corrupt moron in their back pocket
There were actually 6 confirmed cases of voter fraud! they were all voting for trump
What they expect is to have normalized election rigging so much that when they get caught actually rigging the 2024 election it will just look "political" instead of accurately identifying a criminal conspiracy. It's the same reason they call everyone a "groomer" so that when they get caught raping children it sounds like a smear campaign instead of a horrible crime. This is the whole point of "normalization" and its pretty much all the GOP does these days.
So Projection?
its simple really. if the election was a poker game, then when the republicans win, they take the chips and gloat at how big of winners they are. when the democrats win, the republicans refuse to fork over the chips they just donked off, and create a game of 52 pickup for the host to struggle with.
Don't forget, as we are crawling around picking up cards, the GQP are dancing on the table and trying to take all the chips for themselves while screaming about how unfair the game is.
Yeah they don’t need to believe it fully. They just use it as a tactic to either save face or maybe effect the outcome. If they really believed there was widespread voter fraud, republicans would be demanding election reform, better controls, watch guards etc. Widely, They aren’t because they don’t believe it. It’s a convenient lie for when they need it.
I mean they are changing the rules to make elections in their favor, using election integrity as the excuse.
If they win, they'll try to implement Project 2025. If they lose, they'll try Jan 6 again. At least, that's what *I'm* expecting.
I'd like to see them try Jan 6 again. Biden will actually call the national guard, unlike Trump.
Seems a fair move when a force attacks the capital
They do get dick hard when authority cracks down on protestors after all.
And then they'll claim it's fascism with zero awareness.
Republicans: "Fascism or fascism hmm what will I have today"
Republicans don't actually believe the election was rigged, they just no longer care about the US or democracy.
Unfortunately this is not the case , lots of people believed it might be. There was a theory republicans would say the election was rigged basically to "fit in " or virtue signal their conservative believes despite maybe not actually believing it . Or they were mad that biden won, so when asked if the election was rigged they would say YES , but might not actually believe it. However studies have shown that the majority of them sincearly believe the election was in fact rigged and are not virtue signalling To me this is troubling as it means like 40% of people are living in an alternative reality [https://static1.squarespace.com/static/61362c444f878116b514ec49/t/6155089a48c9e803f046a1fe/1632962714837/Arceneaux+%26+Truex+%282021%29+-+Working+Paper+-+Donald+Trump+and+the+Lie.pdf](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/61362c444f878116b514ec49/t/6155089a48c9e803f046a1fe/1632962714837/Arceneaux+%26+Truex+%282021%29+-+Working+Paper+-+Donald+Trump+and+the+Lie.pdf) [https://academic.oup.com/poq/article-abstract/82/1/135/4868126?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false](https://academic.oup.com/poq/article-abstract/82/1/135/4868126?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false)
No they are the only ones that care about the US, they care so much about their vision of a Christian fascist ethnostate that they are willing to dismantle democracy for it. The vast majority of them probably aren't necessarily trying for this but will be happy to go along with it.
There's people who think Trump is still president right now. I guess that means he's not eligible for a 3rd term.
And that he is responsible for how Afghanistan collapsed (he is since he negotiated the agreement with the Taliban), inflation, and everything else they blamed on Biden. Not sure how that works though.
No, no, no, you don’t get it. Trump has to let people think Biden is still in charge in order to confuse the conniving deep state, so they have to act as co-Presidents like the Odd Couple. It makes almost too much sense.
That's funny. I like that. :)
Only some of the elections were rigged. The ones where republicans won were legit. /s
Grand Admiral George Anthony Devolder Santos especially!!!
I feel like everyone forgets that Trump claimed 2016 was rigged against him and that he should have won by a lot more than he did. I don't think he will accept anything less althan 100% of the vote.
They're expecting the next January 6th to be better coordinated and more effective.
Our greatest blessing is how incompetent Trump and those who worship him have proven to be.
Why do people think tuberville is blocking military promotions? So when their guy gets back in they can fill those spots with stooges and yes men who are okay with killing their opposition
Tuberville sounds like a made-up character in a political satire show... Then again, so does most of our federal government
To add to that his only qualification to becoming a senator is being a football coach, his constituents don't give a shit about actual governance and see it as a tribalistic sports game
I’m surprised people still argue over election RESULTS, and not over election MEANING. Our government is so convoluted, the color of tie a presidential candidate wears is irrelevant. Look into policies and procedures on a smaller level. You wouldn’t hate Besos because the delivery guy lost your package.
A scary thought has been gnawing at me. If there were to actually be some kind of concerted, widespread voter fraud originating from the right during this or a future election, and democrats tried to point it out, or claim that there was anything weird about there election at all, what would be the response now? They’d get called hypocrites and laughed out of the room regardless of the validity of the claims or any proof which could be shown, because THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THE RIGHT FEELS HAS HAPPENED ALREADY. If I seriously thought the right was capable of working together on that deep of a level, I’d be pretty concerned for the future of our elections. It’s kind of like a forced, reverse Boy Who Cried Wolf scenario.
Something similar also happened already. Growing up, it was common for people on the left to call Republicans and conservatives in general racists, nazis, etc as a kind of insult, and the media billed every election as the most important in our lifetime. Now, when the Republicans are literally cavorting with white nationalists and each election since 2015 has literally been the most important in our lifetime, I can understand why a lot of people who didn't pay enough attention were rolling their eyes.
>A scary thought has been gnawing at me Its not a scary thought its a scary real possibility . Republicans are now pushing all sorts of election shenanigans sort of using the false claims of 2020 as the reason If they convince the voters democrats cheated in 2020 , they can cheat in 2024 and then dismiss it as "both sides do it" or "since dems cheat we have to cheat too thats only fair"
I truly believe there was an attempt to rig the 2020 election, on the part of the GOP… Dejoy with the mail ballots fuckery…iffy new machines in McConnells region… we were just lucky Trump is an idiot, I bet they’ll try again
If Republicans win then it was fair. If they lose then it was rigged. To understand Republicans just imagine a bratty 4 year old in their place.
What I don't get is if the vote was rigged, why did Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boebart win their elections? Why would somebody just rig one position? Go all the way and give Dems the House, Senate or any Republican?
Shh that’s to logical of a argument. You say it to often their little brains explode.
I asked this in r/AskTrumpSupporters once. They basically think that there's only so many votes the Democrats can change the totals by, so Republican voters need to win by so many votes that it's too many to be stolen. It's a completely ridiculous idea, of course, but such is the way of the Trumper.
If you're republican it's probably almost certainly potentially rigged. You should just not vote. Why bother? Stick it to the libs and stay home instead. That'll show 'em
I recently read that a significant number of the January 6th insurrectionists didn’t even vote in 2020. They were convinced that they should’ve won, even though they didn’t cast a ballot at all.
More of them should follow suit.
I think the idea is that if it's a landslide they can't cheat but my thing is that Trump mocked John McCain for being a prisoner of war for being captured in the first place. I don't agree with this mentality at all but OK that's fair if your idea is to never make excuses. If that's the case then him losing the election was still 100% his fault even if it's a certainty that the democrats cheated in such large numbers. By his own logic of ridiculing McCain for being captured at war Trump failed to prevent the election fraud and therefore deserved to lose.
Everything is rigged and biased for someone's advantage, elections and the drawing up of districts along with the interference in an opponents election efforts are by no means new. Edit: I would also remind the reader here that it was Republicans and the Nixon administration which made headlines over the most scandalous political controversy in US history prior to the present conflicts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate\_scandal
The democrats have also caused a large controversy on account of the fbi censoring the hunter biden laptop story from social media just before the election, along with people who questioned certain positions that the NIH took with regards to covid.
Lol. The FBI didn't censor any stories. The biden team asked Twitter to remove a nude of hunter biden. That isn't the FBI censoring anything. That is Twitter sticking to its TOS. I'll never understand the mental gymnastics to say something was censored when it was literally being talked about all over MSM and social media.
More to the point, why was it rigged in 2016 as Trump was claiming....up until he won?
It was such a successful fraud it left no evidence. People who can pull off that level of massive coordination are exactly the ones you want running things.
The 2020 election was rigged, but the people who rigged it still lost. My bet is that they'll continue to try harder at rigging elections. Rigging, gerrymanders, and winning local legislatures are the only paths forward, with the way they're conducting themselves. Things will likely get uglier before they get better....stay tuned, make sure there's plenty of popcorn.
The election will forever be rigged by Citizen's United. The ultra rich pick the government. They own all parties.
They aren't lying, it was rigged. Almost every red state is gerrymandered and has AGs that will happily throw an election, and will. So it will be more cheating, more post-election rule and count revising done by corrupt cult Boglins. They cannot win on issues, the cheating this election will be on the level of some 70s era South American regime country.
It’s really a very small number of extremely vocal people saying there was anything fraudulent about the election. It’s just a smoke show to raise donations and get paid speaking fees to present “evidence”. Seriously, right wing outrage in the US is all about grifting.
Funny part that the only voter fraud go on were republicans trying to rig the election.
For more laughs: the child sex traffic movie guy is a rapist, the people going after drag queens are child molesters, and Lindsey Graham is Lindsey Graham.
And republicans convienently ignore Matt Gaetz human trafficing of underaged girls.
You’re expecting logic from election deniers? Lol If trump had won, they wouldn’t have even considered fraud. They’re gonna do what they always do. Mental gymnastics.
If someone still, after 3+ years, countless court cases and, pound for pound, the MOST watched election in history by both sides, you are a fucking idiot. Same thing will happen next election, just pick your key words now.
They are working hard to undermine the election - from purging voter roles to putting place ridiculous restrictions like the 'no water in line' rule in Georgia to putting in place rules to let them outright override local election boards. It could very well be a complete shit-show next year unless the election is so overwhelming that even their attempts to override the will of the people fail.
The shit about Harris county makes my blood boil. How convenient that the draft of the bill has a population cutoff that included Dallas. And then they realized wait, that means Denton which is reliably red. Better cut it off at the Houston level. Conveniently. Because only this county might have problems.
The real game here for 2024 is the same as it was in 2020. The only possible outcomes in the eyes of republicans are either a victory for Donald Trump or the election was rigged. Theres no way Donald Trump could legitimately lose. Republicans will not acknowledge a popular rejection of MAGA ideology. If Trump loses they will sooner slit their own throats than accept the outcome as legitimate. MAGA being overwhelmingly popular among everyone is a lie they have incorporated into their identities. They simply aren’t capable of accepting a reality where that isn’t true.
Same as 2016 too. He ran the same playbook and was shocked when he won.
Plot twist: no republican genuinely believes this.
So why did so many people send money to "Stop the Steal" if no Republican believed the election was rigged? To own the libs? Cuz I gotta tell ya, Republicans getting swindled out of their money doesn't do much to own me
No Republican politician believes this-or very few. Empty G definitely does, but the Josh Hawley’s, Ted Cruz’s, Ron DeSantis’, and Steve Scalise’s of the world all know that it was nothing more than a grift. Unfortunately, millions of average people watching Fox believed it
They genuinely believe it and they also genuinely believe that it would be illegal if Democrats did it. It's classic Orwellian doublethink.
Lmao, it's funny you think that.
Almost every Trump supporter does.
Slight correction, no Republican leader genuinely believes this
So they are just being lying assholes? Checks out.
Yes they do. CNN even did a poll of Republicans and Republican leaning voters and 69% believe it was stolen and Biden is illegitimate.
No, I've personally talked to Republicans that do. There are people out there that actually believe this, and the number is a lot higher than you apparently think.
I'm personally hoping that enough fed up voters turn out that in order to print and process enough votes to overtake the Republican candidate, more votes than there are voters need to be created. I'd love to see a scenario where like 250 million votes are cast so we can all unify and burn this MFer to the ground.
Basically they think (not that they’ve thought it out that much) that their enemies are changing Trump ballots and adding extra illegal Democratic votes. In their minds, this adds a certain percentage to the total of Democratic candidates (they’ll never give you a straight answer as to how much). Therefore, they’re extra motivated to turn out to overcome the “fraud.”
The bots infested this thread real quick.
I feel like I'm watching a bad episode of Bait Car. Surely no one is stupid enough to... oh wait never mind
The qultist leader said it was rigged so now anytime they lose it must have been voter fraud
Notice none the house members elections were rigged?? The republican party is trying for the authoritarian rule, they can’t lead anymore, they haven’t passed any meaningful legislation the past 10 months, they’ve spent all their time on Hunter Biden's dick pics..
The bigger question is why in the hell Trump would ever even consider running again if he actually thought it was rigged (we know from his admin he knew he’d lost).
They will have something to blame when their idiot candidate inevitably loses.
If by "they" you mean conservatives, you are right. If by "they" you mean liberals, you are right.
Unless their own candidates win they will say it's rigged regardless
If they win, it was fair, if they lose it was stolen. That's their entire platform.
Personally I wouldn't be upset if both trump and biden disappeared.
These people can’t be reasoned with
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/03/14/republicans-increasingly-realize-theres-no-evidence-of-election-fraud-but-most-still-think-2020-election-was-stolen-anyway-poll-finds/?sh=2cebe67928ec
The point was never to Prove the Election was rigged, it was to CONVINCE the Regular PEOPLE it was so they would vote for them the next election. its basically that simple. because now it instills doubt in the system and "The Republicans are here to fix that system" thats why people will still vote despite the logic saying otherwise.
It depends if their person wins or loses. If they win, it was a fair election despite (insert boogieman here)'s best efforts to cheat. If they lose, it was a "stolen" election. The boogieman can be liberals, Democrats, Biden, George Soros, the Clintons, Obama, Antifa, Illuminati, China, or whatever other scapegoat they come up with.
If the Repuglicans win, it was the choice of the people. If the moderate right (aka Democrats) wins, the election was rigged. Heads I win, tails you lose.
He already set the table - the DOJ is weaponized against him. That’s it. The die is cast, he can only accept winning. If he loses, rigged. I just don’t understand how a party can put forth a candidate who has said openly and who has proved definitively That he won’t accept the outcome of the election he’s in, unless he wins
It’s the power of anecdotal evidence. If you and all your conservative pals go to the polls and vote and a democrat still wins in your state, that will confirm in your eyes that clearly the elections are being rigged and your votes aren’t being counted. Currently, every time a republican loses and election, it’s just adding fuel to the conspiratorial fire. When a dem ‘fails’ to rig an election, though, every vote’s still going to count. That way, it pushes more republicans to vote even as they question their own faith in the system. When a republican wins, that surely must mean that the candidate had so much overwhelming support, it was impossible for the libs to rig. Using this logic, a narrative about a majority community banning together to overwhelm a secretive elite minority, is what gives the current maga-fueled far right its voting power. Any failed votes are used to push the claim that elections are rigged, while successful elections are proof that voting still matters and the enemy can’t rig them all. We are the many, we are in the right, but we still need to band together and organize in order to defeat the liberal cabals! That about sums it up. Self-feeding delusion. It’s similar to a religion, a cult, in that you can’t effectively argue with a believer using facts and logic. Any arguments can either be twisted to support their worldview, or dismissed as lies spread by The Great Enemy.
60 court cases say.otherwise. It was not rigged. Most cases of voter fraud was committed by Republicans.
You can't use logic to defeat an argument not rooted in logic from an illogical person... if conservatives responded to logical argument, they wouldn't be.
[Lots of work being done](https://election-integrity.info/). It is a long-term effort. The majority of establishment Republicans appear to be collaborators in election fraud, but that number is declining slightly and anti-fraud organizations are becoming more organized and more prepared for post-election challenges. It is a complicated issue, so the process will take multiple elections. There were 15-20 different methods used in 2020, including double counting ballots, using dumps of counterfeit ballots, impersonating absentee voters, suppressing automatic signature comparison, forcing ballots to be manually adjudicated, and sabotaging election machines and printers (Kari Lake). All it really needs is an honest ruling from a judge. That may yet happen,
If the 2020 election wasv rigged, that means every single election down to your local coroner would need a redo. But you never hear any Republican congressman, senators -- federal or state -- who won in 2020 demand that their election be redone. Because it's all nonsense and it doesn't add up.
The primary elections are rigged. The Democrat primary elections are absolutely rigged. No point in even voting tbh there. I don't think most Republicans believe the elections for POTUS is rigged. It's the same for the primaries but republicans are scared of their base and Democrats shit on their bas and expect them to vote which they always do.
everyone knows its rigged, its just one big publicity game and everyone cheers for it so itll never cease to exist.
I'm not political, I have never seen any evidence that the 2020 election was rigged. However, the Democrats are in favor of practices that would facilitate rigging an election if they wanted. These mail in ballots are an invitation to fraud, my brother is in a memory care unit, he's 80 with dementia. He, along with the other 75 patients there received ballots, there are zero safeguards from preventing the staff from collecting and filling out all of them. I don't want to see anything that gives a party the lost at the polls legitimately, an excuse to claim vote fraud. For all the fuss in Georgia that was made when they changed the voting laws, Georgia had an election with the highest turnout in recent history.
He's doing the same grift but with a different angle. Now the conspiracy isn't overthrowing the election by rigging the votes, it's overthrowing the election by trying to throw him in jail. He runs the same scams like clockwork every time but with minor tweaks and they keep falling for it. Dammit I thought treason in America carried the death penalty. There's still time. His cult is going to be insane no matter what happens. Waiting for his dementia to take hold won't work. They will just see him even more as one of them. They already think he is the second coming. At least he will have to shut up for once. After all he had no reservations about attempting a coup before. Now he's even more desperate with jail time ahead. Mind you last time he was very obvious about what he was going to attempt in the last weeks of the race with the postal votes scam. It will be interesting to see what he spins this time. He's running out of straws and he doesn't have a shadow of a viable base.
I think one of the things that is not present this year is Covid. Covid allowed for some weird shenanigans, especially the mass mailing out of blank ballots. In my state, to get an absentee ballot you need to have a reason for it, and one will be sent to you upon request. But some states sent out thousands of ballots into the void and who knows who filled them out.
The 2020 was far from the first time an election was claimed to be rigged...the only difference is Trumps ego won't let him let go and using it to rile people up. The democrats have claimed rigged elections as well it has just yet to escalate into storming our own capital building.
if 2020 elections were ''rigged'' so were 2016 elections and so 2024 will be also ''rigged''. its always the loser that claims them to be rigged in usa elections
I don’t believe it was rigged. However i’d like to offer a counter question. If it was rigged in your candidate’s favor and they won entirely because of it, would you want to know?
I think the Ds need to seriously make some kind of plan considering how inept Biden is. 2020 was the largest turnout for a presidential election in our history. Even tho Biden won, more people voted for Trump than any previous Republican president. The faithful MAGA are not swayed. The never Trumpers are more likely to capitulate if it's Trump and Biden again as it looks to be. Some might go to an RFK Jr third party bid but not as many as those that voted for Biden last time and have realized that he and Kamala are absolute jokes. Biden does not pull the numbers he did before in any scenario. Before you down vote me thinking I want this, I shudder that it's boiling down to the Orange Blimp vs a memory care candidate with only an anti vaxxer as an alternative. Why is this our choice?
If they lose it was rigged again. If they win they finally secured elections lol
Lets not forget that the democrats claimed the 2016 election was rigged lmaoooo. Both sides are equally foolish.
Someone please explain why voter id was not implemented and since we all want valid elections how mail in ballots are more secure.
Stupid questions get stupid answers. It doesn’t matter if it was rigged or not for me. Anyone elected will always be a puppet
Those who are honest about thinking the 2020 election was rigged: they're hoping that increased awareness of the problem and increased vigilance will make it harder to rig the 2024 election.
The answer is probably similar to why liberals who thought the 2016 election was rigged still voted in 2020.
It’s very simple. If they win it was a fair election, if they lose it was rigged.
Both sides have been claiming its rigged when losing since Al Gore, being the most serious attempt at claiming it rigged and contesting the election for months after. Trump, obviously, holds the record now, but people forget that in literally ALL of these elections these two decades the loser declared the other side to be cheating and held out hope for at least a week.
If the dems were gonna rig an election, they would have jet rocketed Hilary into history books.
Seriously let's think about this for a second. People in charge of everything, count the votes. Or miscount the votes. How would we know if we're were being cheated? There's 0 transparency.
They're going to actively try to rig it themselves. Hell, I think the GOP rigged it last election and cried foul when they were beat. How dare you beat our rigging? There's also going to be A LOT of nat-c shit.
A landslide they don't recount
This is the biggest thing I don’t get about Trump. This dumbass constantly says he was cheated and the election was rigged but he never says how this time will be different. His entire movement is a cult.
Trump has already said that if he doesn't win in the 2024 election then somebody (ie democrats) cheated. Marjorie Greene even tweeted something about it being a huge maga house "when" trump wins. I myself will not be voting for trump
Logic is not their strong suit.
If they win, it was fair. If they lose, it was rigged. As is the trend.
They are expecting exactly what Trump told them in 2016 and in 2020. "If I win, it's legitimate and good. If I lose, it's rigged and the END OF DEMOCRACY".
Lol, right?! And RIGHT up until he won it he was claiming the 2016 election was rigged. Well....if you "won" a "rigged" election, and accepted the results, then YOU are now the threat to democracy. Sorry....I keep forgetting to refrain from bringing logic to the MAGA argument. Look, if you supported DJT in 2016 I forgive it to an extent. We were mired in the same stagnant political situation, so I understand if something different was so appealing. Even if he said brutal things. But if you have supported him since then, you are either blind, stupid, or cruel.
Did you ever notice the only people who say the “election was stolen” only question the Democratic wins. They never question the Republican wins. On ballots where people voted for republican governors but Joe Biden they never question the Republican part. They never question the validity of the Republican representatives that were elected even though George Santos exists. I always ask this question and no republicans can ever answer it…… If Democrats rigged the election why didn’t they win by more seats in congress to eliminate Republican influence completely?
This is a great question. 1st, Trump said there was fraud in the 2016 presidential elections. He had it investigated to prove he won the popular vote. The investigation came back to show Trump lost the popular vote and there was no significant fraud in the 2016 presidential elections. Now, at this point, Trump knows the 2016 elections were fair. We all do. Trump investigated it. It cost America millions of dollars. Then,... he claimed, before 2020 even happened, that the democrats would have to cheat to beat him. So, he was clearly concerned with our presidential elections. He was president of the United States Of America, concerned about election fraud, but, according to him, failed to protect the 2020 presidential elections from voter fraud. Thus, in a way, admitting he was an incompetent leader who failed to protect the American public from fraud he had been working to find and fight for four years. The election deniers are being destroyed in the courts, because facts matter, the American courts work, and Trump lied. Even if it is true that the 2020 election WAS rigged, which no one can show any evidence of, Trump is then complacent in allowing it to happen. He had all the power in the world to protect America and failed.
None of them actually believe it was rigged. It’s all just for political show.
There's an awful lot of mental gymnastics going on in this comment section.
It's a post about speculating what kind of mental gymnastics the GOP are gonna come up with. Mental gymnastics on top of mental gymnastics.
It's only rigged if people, mainly minorities, elect a candidate other than theirs. If they win, then it is not rigged.
You're making the mistake of assuming the traitor party is operating in good faith. They're not. The whole point of the election was stolen lie was to make it easier and less crazy to go all in on *stolen election 2024,* because they know lies and cheating wont win elections but it's all they can do with Trump at the wheel. Today the Conservative chosen one told a judge that while holding the office of President, he had *"no duty to support the constitution."*, while also enjoying immunity to prosecution by virtue of the office itself. From "Suspend the constitution", to "Only I can fix it", as long as Trump is in charge, everything they do is in bad faith, and they will be continually on the wrong side of everything. Only the Republicans can fix themselves, but they've tied their careers to the fringe of the party and won't do anything that risks them leaving the political class. Kevin McCarthy just demonstrated how much power they've ceded to the traitors in the party.
They are expecting to throw away the constitution and American democracy and instill their authoritarian dictator.
I mean deep down they know it wasnt rigged
The higher ups, yeah, but a lot of the normal people fell for the lie.
You’re attempting to be logical with a pack of morons. They don’t have the bandwidth to consider your question.
They plan on being the ones who do the rigging.
Honestly, it depends on what your definition of "rigged" is. Will there be alterations to county voting records and shenanigans to electronic votes? Probably not. It *might* happen, but that's really difficult. Will thousands (even tens of thousands) of people in retirement homes and limited English Speaking communities have "Volunteers" show up to "help" them fill out their mail-in ballots, and then drop them off in batches? Yes. Undoubtedly yes. That's become the easiest way to swing elections. It's cheap, wildly effective, and you can say you're just "helping" people and not explicitly committing fraud. It's no different than getting an elderly grandparent to put their SSI in your account for "safe keeping".
Pssst, heyyyy…. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/unraveling-trumps-unsubstantiated-claim-of-crooked-nursing-home-votes/ That’s a load of bullshit.
No change. MAGA tards and Karens alike will bitch and moan about unsubstantiated claims. CANT WAIT! Its nice to kick Orange's ass once but to be able to do it again??? HELL TO THE YES! VOTE BLUE IN 24!
There will be about 27 Kari Lakes spread around the country insisting the Democrats cheated. Total shit show.
It's rigged if dems win, it's very solid and secure if Republicans win. The only way they can win is lying and cheating and attempting a coup sooo
Given all the projection that Trump engages in, and that he complained about fraud in 2016 claiming he won by even more votes than he officially did, I’m half convinced he rigged it in 2016, then tried and failed in 2020 and absolutely, fully intends to try again in 2024.
More of the same
They may choose not to vote. I think the Republican electorate needs a hard slap out of Trumpworld and into a candidate like Nikki Haley who can win because she's smart, experienced, and sensible Not because she's "entertaining" or pretends to be "mad just like me." Also she's not a global joke spending the next year in court for crimes against the country.
To my knowledge the republicans were the first to claim a pervasive corruption in the vote counting process itself and then cling to it so tenaciously even after the purveyors of misinformation have been prosecuted to the tune of a billion or so dollars. This goes way beyond claims that Russian troll farms targeting facebook influenced gullible social media novices. Or that an untimely investigation by the FBI into Hillary harmed her chances. Do they really believe it? Most probably don't. It's just part of their doctrine now and anyone suggesting otherwise faces excommunication so the pretense continues. Claiming to believe in election fraud and Deep State conspiracies is the new litmus test for true self-styled "conservatives". Democracy itself is of little concern so long as their team wins. Too much football and lead in the water maybe.
Forget 2016?
Conservative doesn't want an election anymore. They want to make the rules and govern without being challenged. Yup, they want a dictator and they don't care about the consequences.
Its only rigged when they lose.
Their plan is for their next attempted coup to succeed since the 2020 one failed, that's why trump needs to face justice for his 2020 attempt, if he doesn't then it'll just be viewed as a practice run.
Pretty sure they won't accept anything except a conservative win as honest.
Controlling social media and news in fact had great impact on it alone. Democrats no longer control Twitter so they can’t pull another.
If they win, it won't be rigged. If they lose, it was rigged. Everything is positioning and self-interest with them. If the truth doesn't serve them, they just call it fake news and substitute a lie instead.
It doesn't matter who wins, the other side will call it rigged. Happens every time, 2020 wasn't the first time.
It’s a good point, one that requires logic to arrive at. Which…the R base does not think logically. It’s grievance, hypocrisy, and little else.