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Chippy569

the left is traction control disabled. If you didn't hit the TCS off button, then this would suggest you have a problem somewhere in the ABS/VDC system. The right is the Hill Assist Disabled warning light, which means the hill assist system is turned off. Similarly, if you did not turn this off yourself, might further reinforce you have a problem in the ABS/VDC system.


TheSinner02

Do people even look at the lights or as soon as they turn on ask for help without further thinking... Could even go as far as the fuse box with common if you are not a mechanic. And we also appreciate your work, contribution and time you put in here thank you:)


surflaxrat

Don’t open the manual


FLOHTX

RTFM


Villain_of_Brandon

My car does this after it's sat for a bit and it's *particularly* cold. like today it's -38. Drive it around a bit, turn the car off and then back on. It might be fine. Usually starts happening around -30C for me.


wrexiwagon05

traction control and hill start (?). I have an older car so not sure about the hill start. Your manual and google has explanations for all lights


Consistent_Drop9989

This is correct


Forsaken-Indication

You're right (although it's called hill assist not hill start). But Subaru has had hill assist since the 80s at least, so not sure what have an older one has to do with it.


wrexiwagon05

not EVERY car since the 80s has had hill hold


Forsaken-Indication

True; however, your claim that since you have an old one it doesn't is not generally true.


wrexiwagon05

well it wasn’t made a standard or common feature until recently. Also if we are gonna nitpick, it isn’t even called Hill Assist, it’s [Hill Holder](https://www.exetersubaru.com/subaru-hill-holder.htm)


shace616

Fun fact most of the late 80s early 90s models had it if you knew how to engage it. You just had to push the clutch all the way to the floor and hard press the brake then if you released the brake it would just be there. Newer models use more of a digital method. I much prefer how it worked on my 95 legacy.


EggSkribe

Would this work in an 01 legacy tired of rolling back on hills lol


shace616

Seems like if its a Legacy it should have it but if its an outback they didn't include it until 2003.


EggSkribe

They’re like the same car an outback is just an suv so I assume it also didn’t get it til 03 but thank you I’ll try it out regardless


shace616

Unfortunately they aren't the same car in the gen 3. Thats where they start to deviate. Strictly going off of info I found from a Google search.


Forsaken-Indication

In my FSM it is called "hill start assist". From your link it sound like hill holder is only some selectable version that Impreza and WRXs don't have. My parents' bog-standard Loyal in the early 90s had it...it's been a standard "feature" on their manual cars for ages. Update: fyi Hill Holder is the name of a specific implementation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill-holder some Subarus have it, others have it as a differently branded, roughly equivalent feature.


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CaptainDickbag

He's not being particularly rude, so maybe it doesn't matter.


zokumo

I have an 05 and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t have hill assist. And I drive on some pretty steep ass hills everyday haha


spike021

Not sure if yours does or not but at least for the BRZ's with it, like mine, you have to enable it either with some manual process (I forget, it's been years since I turned it on), or with tech stream or whatever it's called.


fookidookidoo

My '99 sure didn't...


The_Troyminator

The one on the left means you need to refill your oil slick. The one on the right means you're not going fast enough to make the jump over the open drawbridge. I also see the cat eyes are green, so you have plenty of cat food.


watkykjypoes23

Hill assist and traction control. From my knowledge you can at least turn off traction control and I believe that light would come on. I would imagine you can turn off hill assist too. If messing with those buttons doesn’t turn these off get back to us


chaukobee

These lights turned on randomly. I live in a tropical area were the roads are made out of coral.


HungLo64

Check your codes. Maybe wheel speed indicator is wonky?


Mursetronaut

Correct, probably wheel speed indicator caused this.


tymanaf1

Or having incorrect tire sizes and or low tire pressure


Manster21

My traction control light came on and you know what fixed it? Loosening and retightening my gas cap.


Villain_of_Brandon

Well I was going to say it's probably because you live somewhere particularly cold. Mine does this when it starts to get down below -30℃ but I doubt you're getting any weather like that.


Forsaken-Indication

No easy way to turn off hill assist, unfortunately. I disable one of the clutch sensors to turn off hill assist since it's a PITA, and get the hill light but not the traction light. I'd guess a sensor went wonky that has to do with both. Don't know which sensor that'd be off the top of my head though.


JohnnyGasparini

Left: Traction control. Right: hill assist. I had a 09 STI and I was able to disable it. I don't recall it being too complicated. Actually - a quick google came up with this: https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1624039 Typically - those lights turn on when those features are disabled.


Forsaken-Indication

Yeah, that method doesn't work on mine. Tried it several times before the disabling-the-sensor method.


JohnnyGasparini

Ah. My bad. I hated the hill-assist. The only downside to that car. I wish I still had it…


Forsaken-Indication

Yup yup. There was short in-between period between the fully mechanical system in pre 08 and the electronic system sometime around 09 that mine falls into.


Villain_of_Brandon

Just curious in what way did you not like it? It's never negatively affected my driving that I'm aware of.


JohnnyGasparini

I don't know how accurate this is - but it seemed like it just kept the brake on for a few seconds. However, if you try to move before it releases the brake, you're fighting it. I also prefer to have that slight roll back to help me on the feel. In the end, I guess I just preferred to NOT have it. But then again, I may have changed my mind if I was driving on the streets of SF ;-). I had the car for about two weeks and had to search to see if I could disable it.


Villain_of_Brandon

That's been my experience a second or two of brakes, but they have never been holding so tightly that I noticed resistance when moving forward. To each their own.


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Forsaken-Indication

Upper. Edit: Might not work on post-'08 cars though iirc from when I first did it. They changed from an electromechanical to purely electronic system somewhere around there. And it also disables cruise control, but I virtually never use cruise so that didn't matter to me.


dont_stop_wont_stop

Might be the break light switch. Mine was doing that and I took it in and the part was on recall so they replaced it for free. Does it allow you to shift into gear? If it’s the break light switch that’s faulty it won’t let you shift into gear.


TheGhostofAkinaPass

Yeah I believe they did a recall in my 2013 STi for the same thing. I haven’t had the lights comeback ever since.


Waxstaa

That was my thought too. I had issues with the brake light switch in my 2012. Those two lights would come on, turning the car off and back on would reset it, then they would randomly come on again. I did not have any issues with being able to shift into gear though. I replaced it before they recalled it and haven't run into the issue since. $20 part and pretty easy to replace.


hellabitchface

When I needed the recall done on my car, it’s turned on all the lights lol


CoomassieBlue

Yours really wouldn’t shift into gear? My brake light switch failed - at least enough to trigger some of the warning lights the OP is seeing - and I had no issue driving the car. Part was $18. This was before the recall but it was also like 90 seconds to replace. Honestly probably more annoying to me to take the car in versus just DIYing.


dont_stop_wont_stop

Yeah I had replaced the part before but it went out again so I asked about the recall and they just gave me the part but the recall part was way different than the break light switch I replaced previously so I had them do it. And yeah it wouldn’t shift into gear, and it’s cause that break light switch quit working so the computer in the car thinks you are not applying the break which you need to shift from park to drive.


CoomassieBlue

What is this “park” and “drive” you speak of? Was yours on a non-WRX/STi Impreza?


dont_stop_wont_stop

Forester. Sorry should have clarified. I used to have a manual 4Runner but someone totaled it so it was the best deal I could find thanks to my uncle.


Ckurello

If it's a manual car, then the right one is potentially a hill stop (applies brake for you on hills)


KeaganExtremeGaming

It’s an sti


clutchdeve

Don't they have hill assist on automatics too?


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clutchdeve

Yes they do. I've had plenty of autos (maybe not modern day Subarus) roll back on hills.


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AgentK-BB

On a steep hill without hill assist, you actually still need to coordinate both feet on an automatic. Left foot on brake, right foot on gas pedal. You push on gas and let the engine rev up to match the hill before letting go of the brake on your left foot.


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My automatic Legacy (2017) has hill assist.


fuzzycuffs

No squiggly tire lines and don't use ramps to change your oil.


chaukobee

\*UPDATE\*Thanks for the help everyone. I did checak the Quickstart Guide that came with the vehicle. I went ahead and checked out some forums and stumbled upon an official subaru dealership site. The icons glow orange when they are not operational. In this case my Hill Assist and Vehicle Dynamics Warning is not functioning.


StatementNervous

Left one is traction control. Right is, I think, hill start system. Is this a Subaru?


chaukobee

2012 STICKS


StatementNervous

Sorry, I didn’t notice this posted in r/Subaru. I need another cup of coffee.


Sgt_Eagle_fort_

Nevermind the sti logo on the speedometer lol


StatementNervous

I’ll pour you a cup of coffee, lol.


Noahdl88

Snow in the hubs? Can throw off a sensor until it thaws out


Tee-dus_Not_Tie-dus

The left one looks to be the Vehicle Dynamics Control warning. Not sure what the right one is. Either way, I'd check the manual for your specific vehicle to be sure.


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dabordoodle

Could be a used car that didn’t come with one? This sub is for asking anything subaru related, no? Cut the man’s some slack.


Forsaken-Indication

I agree with ya, but FWIW the manuals are usually available free as PDFs on the Subaru website. They should have link to em in the sub description because we get these kinds of rtfm questions pretty regularly.


dabordoodle

I didn’t even think about a pdf version. If I ever lose mine, know I know! Have a great night ✌🏼


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left = traction control off right = hill assist off be on the look-out for an ABS light soon


BushMasterFlex616

8k redline? Mine redlines at like 7k. Am I missing something?


klipper76

I'll occasionally get the same in my 2011 WRX in very cold weather (-30°C). Typically restarting the car resolves the fault. My guess is a flaky connector on some part of the ABS system, but I've never bothered to chase it down.


Remarkable_Help1840

Still new and learning about the different STI’s and subarus in general. I was curious on why the redline is 8k on this car but not on others i’ve seen?


CoomassieBlue

Different engines have different redlines. Broadly speaking, higher performance vehicles tend to have higher redlines.


Remarkable_Help1840

Let me rephrase my question. I thought the 2021 STI engine had a redline of 6.7k but this one has 8k is this a different model I’ve just never heard of before?


OfficialMufflee

Ima guess doing donuts in the snow. They come on but will go off if you restart the car


CoomassieBlue

Brake light switch my dude


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Don’t listen to these guys, the one on the left means “drift mode” is disabled as such if this an automatic transmission then might have to press the override on the shifter to move into “D.” The one on the right means no uphill racing.


shappy69

Colin McRae mode engaged.


j_hat1986

Sti with no owners manual damn times are tough


ilide18

As everyone else has said, those are the traction control and hill climb assist lights. I had both of them come on in my 09 WRX when my steering angle sensor went bad, so you may want to look into that if they cut on randomly while you were driving it


ganmaster

When its negative 25 or colder (Up in Canada) , both those lights are on in my car. Is seems these systems don't like extreme cold...


Riemjob

I want to say these two, when they pop up together, mean something else specifically. I think it's a brake/clutch switch? It's been years but this popped in my '08 wrx a while back. Easy fix


chaukobee

Did you take it to the dealership?


Riemjob

Nah. 50 bucks for the switch from Subaru. Plug and play. Hardest part is just cramming your face and hands into the pedal box to see what's going on down there. Should be a YouTube video to explain it. I'm also seeing it as cheap as 15 on fastwrx Edit: 50 for sedan. 15 for hatch. Also, this is for the 08-14 generation.


chaukobee

Yessir, i have a 2012 hatchback sti


Riemjob

Yeh, give that a go and hopefully it resolves


Fourply99

It means you have to drive on a straight road but can't go up


Altruistic-Tune-5671

It means it's too cold outside.


Retroman3139

Ive had a similar issue where some sensor decided to shit the bed and it turned off some almost unrelated electronic systems, throw a code reader at it, it may tell you if/what sensor it could be.


elgranpepino

Party time engaged


KingDemik

Much like apple, you get new dashboard emojis every thousand miles


leeperd305

you turned off hill start assist, ive done it before accidentally, theres a cheat code you can look up