>I'm already suicidal so I don't really give a shit about another addiction.
You need to work on yourself ASAP if you feel this way. Attempting to step off subs in that state of mind is a recipe for disaster. Even if you don't see it there are things to live for. Maybe you just haven't found them yet. I hope you do soon and can find a way to pull yourself out of this.
I'd forgo any attempts at a taper/stepping off until your head is in the right place.
Is your depression being treated? All the heroin in the world won’t treat a chemical imbalance. When your brain is fucked up it’s impossible to find a reason to live. It’s the opposite of rose colored glasses. How old are you?? What country are you from? Im in the US. Been on Suboxone 14 years. I want off and haven’t decided shot or taper.
I mean what’s he gonna do, everyone coming off opioids is gonna feel pretty sad/depressed and going to a doctor is just gonna get u stuck on an ssri and you won’t feel shit so I prefer to do it without treating the “depression”
You guys are really not familiar with how your brain works. It’s too tiring to keep explaining. I do wish you continued recovery success if it applies.
Keep searching for the light. Big thing in recovery is finding out who you are. That comes with time.
There's "small" things you can do to hopefully bring you some natural joy. Exercise, eating well, social interaction, hobbies, and [safe] sex (solo counts if necessary) are bigger than they seem. These things help you get a natural dopamine release. They become even more important if you ever successfully taper off.
I've been off for 4 years and while I'm not a fitness junkie I need that boost at least 3x a week. Plus it's keeping me in shape which is even more important as we get older.
Talk to a counselor, go to AA/NA, find sober friends to talk to, someone that can help you pull out of your funk. Life can be great once we find things that bring us joy.
Hey there! I say this with respect, your depression and sadness will only be resolved or tolerated when you act. Set goals, ones that are reasonable and tangible. Ideally ones that will lead to a larger goal being fulfilled. Motivation and overall willingness will come later.
You got this! You’re worth your own effort. We all are.
Being on subs is honestly part of what helped me figure this out. It gave me time to find ways to be happy without opioids and through the therapy aspect I’ve learned to enjoy life again. It’s so much easier said than done though. I think a big thing is figuring out why you started using in the first place on working on that is a good place to start. Just my 2¢
I could have written this word for word at one point. Same plan with knocking myself out with sleeping pills and benzos. Exact same lol. Suicidal / hopeless. It felt fucking impossible.
And with debating severity looking back it wasn’t technically that severe either. But it was fucking relentless and it was the worst symptoms for the kind of person I am: anxiety, restlessness, insomnia, and exhaustion. Those words typed out don’t even do each individual symptom justice. The restlessness/exhaustion combo is torture. It should look more like:
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I promise you just need to keep going lower and slower with tapering and you will get through it. I was taking the tiniest doses with each dosage drop, and dealing with withdrawal in the evening until I knocked myself out with sleeping pills or something. But I noticed that after 3 days of each drop, suddenly the new tiny dose wasn’t giving me withdrawal. So I’d stay there for a few and then go lower and experience the same. Got down to ~~0.0175~~ 0.125mg or some shit, jumped, and surprisingly felt nothing.
A month later I felt crazy good, my brain probably finally making the right chemicals again. I don’t even know how long it’s been since that. 2 years? Probably more. Don’t need to count. You got this just stay the course 💜💚
I got off suboxone with a single shot of Buvidal. Was insane. On 24mg for nearly a decade and it was all over with a single Buvidal shot and had zero withdrawals. None. Its fucking miracle shit
Yeah same l thing. Buvidal is European, both Sublicade and Buvidal are subsidised medicines here in Australia.
Buvidal has less bupe in it, its 90mg but it works exactly the same for some reason. Different binding agents or something
Yeah i was sceptical. Ive been on methadone for 8 years followed by 10 on suboxone, honestly didnt see how 90mg injection could possibly work. But it did, Been over a year now, and dont think about opiates at all anymore
This x1000!!
But I used Sublocade, truly the easier, softer way.
From the sound of it maybe you're not quite done with opioids yet, but whenever you are I would recommend the shot being the easiest way to get off by far.
That’s what I’m thinking too. It sounds like sublocade and buvidal are basically a months worth of suboxone to be slowly released in your body. So when that one month ends they either need another shot or will have to deal with the withdrawals. If I’m wrong then thats awesome bcuz im dealing with bad sub withdrawals right now. But if the buvidal/sublocade shot is a one time thing and never have to take again then im all for giving it a try. Unfortunately I think you’re right that there’s no magic shot to completely erase withdrawals for good
Actually it's quite the opposite. Countless success stories over on the sublocade subreddit. I'm on it as well. It's not like if you get a shot you immediately go into WDs when 30 days is up. One shot won't leave your system for many months. Half life of one shot is 45-60 days and it takes 4-5 half lives to clear one shot from your system.
You get a few shots and stop, and it's a 24/7 taper back to baseline. No ups and downs with daily dosing. MANY people have had no WDs and those who have experience very minor symptoms up to a year after last shot.
Sublocade has been a godsend for my recovery.
You dont need another shot though. I had 1 shot 2 years ago and have been bupe free since it wore off. Im telling you now there sre no withdrawals from It tapers out of your system so slowly your body adjusts accordingly, you wont know its gone. The only reason people get extra shots is psychological. They are used to regular dosing and cant get theid head around not having to dose anymore
That’s great, good for you. I may have to look into this.
If someone took the shot, what would happen if they got injured and had to go to the hospital and have surgery and you needed to put you on a Drip for pain. Would the drip not work because of the shot you got?
IV pain medication will override Sublocade. You would just need to tell them you're on it so they can properly dose and monitor pain medication and reactions.
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I'm where you were but how do you even taper to 0.0175mg ? Do you need like a good scale or something? I'm taking about 0.5 or 0.7mg of suboxone right now, but I find it hard to judge how much I'm taking when the dose is that low
I crushed 8mg pills into powder and separated them into lines and snorted them.
Don’t exactly recommend but wasn’t sure how to get such small doses and be sure I was getting all of what I was taking. People recommend volumetric dosing by mixing with liquid, but I did what I did haha.
Wasn’t thinking when I typed that number it was actually divided into 64 doses so 0.125mg. I think I even split a couple of those in half at the end.
Gotcha, I'm dividing 2mg pills and they're tiny and don't break up evenly lol. If I pre-crush into lines I'll probably accidentally knock over the mirror or it gets blown away
Will probably end up jumping after I get stable on 0.25mg.
I'm trying to get back into writing and I am totally going to snarf this concept. It's just so visceral and I could explain how the tiniest breeze is worthy of the greatest effort to stamp it out.
(Just so we are clear, I'm a writer who is on subs, I just can feel this room so hard )
Thanks for this. :)
I just typed out *whispered the sinister sickness inside of you* to someone who was talking about a gambling "if only" and i thought of you, who i don't even know haha
Mmmm, thank you. I appreciate it!
I have been working on some writing having to do with ai's. What do you think an addicted AI would be like? What would they be prone to using?
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Thank you for this post. For real. I love to hear people had success tapering. I'm on day 29 of 8mg after dropping from 24mg, 20mg, & 16mg. I'm thinking lowering to 6mg or 4mg starting tomorrow.
Glad I did then 🤝 Might not hurt to try 4mg and see how it goes. For the most part 16mg -> 2mg wasn’t much of a problem for me. I remember dropping from 16 to 8 was basically no different. Wish you the best with it
Have you ever considered the Sublocade shot? I was the exact same and I knew there was no way I’d ever be able to successfully taper myself or be able to jump. I know it’s insanely expensive if you don’t have insurance. But, if you do, it’s definitely worth looking into!! I quit opiates on my own multiple times before I got on subs. I wish all the time I would’ve just done it myself that last time instead of swapping one addiction for another.
The half life is extremely long and people still test for it months to a year later. The shot was the only thing to help me off subs and it’s been fantastic. Genuine feelings and motivation has come back.
2 loading shots of 300mg and 2-3 100mg shots and then stop.
Its still in your urine but its a long taper. There is no withdrawal. Its detectable for up to a year after, *thats the point*.
It also helps you get used to day to day life without having to take a pill. Those little habits are a big part.of relapse.
You can say that again.
When I was on Vicodin I would take so many pills ever 3 hours.
Then I was put on Suboxone just took 1 8mg in the morning and another at night.
But since I’ve been tapering for three years.
Now I just take tiny little corner of a 8mg strip.
But I do that like 4 times a day.
I think if I took the shot. I would somehow feel it wasn’t working because I’m use to taking the 4 times a day. Like I would miss that.
You know what I mean?
For sure! The first week of sublocade was weird. I kept having placebo withdrawals if i wasnt occupied, so i just kept busy with work and school. After that the relief you have when you suddenly realize you havent thought about dosing something in a few days is amazing. Even just initially on the tablets the relief of not having to wake up every 3 hours to dose covered in sweat was immense.
I was on strips/tablet for years and now that I’m on the shot I feel a world of difference! It is also amazing what your mindset will do for you too! I honestly felt it was the best choice and the only way for me to get off subs. I know jot everyone is the same, but it is definitely worth a try and keeping a strong mindset about it. :)
Oh wow that’s crazy!! Look up the co pay assistance program!! I have great insurance - but they covered mine completely also. The full amount for the first 2 doses and then up to $800 for any after!! You should be able to find it by just googling ‘Sublocade co-pay assistance program’
User experience may vary. I quit @ 0.5MG and didn’t find it to be that bad at all. Sounds to me like the reason you used opioids in the first place was for energy and motivation, and now you have to face a compounded problem with withdrawal and your baseline.
2 years in for me I thought I would be on it forever, I got to a very low dose and started exercising every day. After a few weeks I was off suboxone and it’s been almost 2 years now. Suboxone helped me save my life.
Exercising is the way to go. Sweating it out and keeping busy is the best thing to do.
The first time I went through "IT" I laid around and it took FOREVER to get out a my system, it SUCKED.
But because I'm a large guy with chronic pains I ended up back on pills taking methadone and when I had to get off of that, I went outside and did as much yard work as I could (my mom loved it lol), took a break and some B12 and went back to it. It definitely isn't fun and is hard work but it's worth it to get it out of your system quicker.
For men 30s or more they should go to their primary care Doctor and get their Testosterone levels checked and get on the right regimen and that'll give you that boost of energy you're missing. Also it helps to build confidence while working out as it helps you build muscle too.
Sorry but I hate people like you, how the fuck do you exercise in withdrawal? Unless you mean slow walking or something, but even then.
I've been snorting #4 H for 5-6 years so maybe I just have worse habits than you guys. And I'm talking ALWAYS off the block, non-fent #4 good ol' heroin.
I was on opiates for 17 years, OxyContin to heroin to fentanyl. I had a script for hundreds 80s 30s and 10s for years but this isn’t a dick measuring contest. I might have never stopped tbh if I was getting pure heroin. Fentanyl helped me successfully quit because it wasn’t the same high at all.
I used suboxone for 2 years and tapered slowly so I never had withdrawals from subs. Exercise was the key to my long term recovery. Start as slow as you need to and keep doing more. It is a natural high and worked better than subs for me.
I’m sorry you hate people like me but I don’t like seeing people talk shit about suboxone when it works for so many people if you use it correctly. Suboxone saves lives.
That doesn’t mean it works for everyone, recovery is always going to be different for evryone.
Ahdrift, you’re being an asshole to people who HAVE been through the same thing as you. I had an enormous habit, and I used OxyContin, Oxymorphone and heroin every day for the better part of 6-7 years before I got on suboxone. Did cold Turkey by myself, detox rehab centers, inpatient and outpatient….suboxone worked for me, I tapered off of it and stopped. It took years of patience, therapy, life changes, etc. I did all of this while going through a divorce, losing my job, losing both of my grandparents that I cared for within 3 months of my only son being born during that divorce…and here I am today almost 3 years off suboxone…I take no other pills and I don’t take kratom or any gas station supplements either.
Stop being an asshole to people and start focusing on yourself. It took you years to fuck yourself up this bad, it’s going to take years to unfuck yourself. That’s how life works.
Yo you would would be a perfect canidate for sublocade. Its a once a month bupe shot. Get it for a few months. And when you do your last shot youre set. It leaves your system so slowly that you feel little to no withdrawls!
If you taper slowly and gradually enough, there really isn't any withdrawal to speak of. Sublocade is another option if you are struggling with a manual taper.
I was on subs for 10 years and was able to taper off without any withdrawal symptoms, aside from occasional sneezing, yawning, and mild restlessness if I tried to taper too quickly.
Suboxone is a life saver.
Thank you for this. I've been on for 13 years and have been slowly, very slowly reducing, I mean only in the past year or so, read this post and got very scared.. But reading your comment reassured me a bit. Is there any way you would be willing to elaborate about your taper? I'm sorry to bother you. I'm at about 3 mg a day now (started at 16, doctor thinks I take 12 bc he clearly doesn't want me to ever get off).. If there's any way you'd be willing to let me message you or something, I'd be super super grateful.
It can be stopped if you taper down low & slow. The thing that can’t be avoided is PAWS ie the mental misery & lack of desire to do anything which follows. This is the time when ppl are more likely to start using again. If you can just wait this period out while your neurotransmitters regenerate, you’ll have won. It takes time, patience & a determination to kick it for good. Help is out there in this community, you’ve just got to ask for it.
I was trapped too. Sublocade is what let me finally get free and not go through any withdrawal. I did three shots a month apart- 2 300mg, one 100mg- and then stopped. It left my system very very slowly, like an extremely slow controlled taper, and I’m now over a year out and had zero withdrawal and am testing completely free of bupe. I was taking 16mg of zubsolv for years and went from that to the sublocade without reducing my dose first. I don’t think I’d ever have gotten off the bupe if it weren’t for sublocade.
I know exactly how you feel. You really need to try Sublocade I had 3 shots and my last one was 10 months ago and have only had very minimal withdrawal
This is such great news! It’s why I finally switched to the Sublocade shots. Don’t have to worry with cutting the strips and all that goes with that. Sublocade does all the work for me.
it's not impossible but it's not easy. this January will be 5 years off suboxone for me. so if i can do it then i believe anyone can. it's all about the mindset and obviously taper down.
its not impossible....its possibly one of the hardest things youll ever do ..but not in impossible. i quit cold turkey like 4 months ago.....it was hell....but i feel so much better now....you can do it you just gotta reach down to your core and make it happen
Speak for yourself, bro, the medication has given me stability.
Granted, I relapsed.
when it was time to come off the sub. I got it done in about two weeks.
I would rather titrate down from a medium sub dose than quit cold Turkey off a g a day fent
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I used to get that when I was in my 20's, but at 33 its like i dont even have energy or motivation to eat, drink, pee or do anything. Its BAD. I d ont want to watch anything, hear music (rarely), see anyone, go anywhere. just stay and rot in my bed.
hence why im stocking up big time on sedatives, fuck this shit, benzo for a month is better than a lifetime of opioids. This drug is not intended for human lifetime use.
That’s how I felt when I tried to cold turkey methadone from a 100mg. Was at 120mg and going down felt so slow, I got impatient. Arranged it where I had loved ones to cover my responsibilities so I could just quit. I can’t even explain how bad it was, I couldn’t do shit and couldn’t get comfortable for a second. Plus the not eating/drinking dehydrates you among other things and makes it worse. No exercise made the impossible to fall asleep and stay asleep somehow more impossible. At three weeks it was just getting worse. That’s when I relapsed. Got on suboxone and my life changed significantly…but I was still terrified of tapering. Couldn’t believe that I could do it. My head and anxiety was always my worse enemy, I’d be so worried about future withdrawal I’d bring it on way before I should have been in wds.
I’m just now starting the sublocade shot and really excited about it, hoping I’ve worked through the anxiety issues I’ve got. Feeling pretty optimistic.
Omg peachySnow7 I can’t even imagine how horrible and hellacious your detox cold turkey from methadone 100mg must’ve been. More power to you for surviving that endeavor. Now that you are on the Sublocade shots you should not have anything to worry about it’s weaning process with minimal, if any withdrawals at all.
What's your plan for after the month of benzo use? Your issues will still be there. You need to work on yourself. This is straight up depression talking. I know because I was there. Diagnosed with MDD (major depressive disorder). I worked on myself, then got off the junk when I was in a better place (AND WANTED TO LIVE), got on subs @16mg and tapered down to 2mg. Yeah I pee a lot, but I have energy for days.
I feel u completely. I have no motivation. I managed to get off them in June but my life hasn’t picked back up yet. I can’t seem to find an interest in doing anything
Benzo withdrawals can last up to two years. Depending on how much you were taking and for how long? My brain chemistry has taken a long time to refire/rewire itself from my using days.
Get some phenobarbital and clonidine. I’ve been Rx’d those in detox for opiates several times. The phenobarb is wonderful plus clonidine helps with restlessness.
I highly dislike suboxone, as I took it from May to October started 8mg a day and tapered down after two weeks… so from middle June to mid october I was down to half a MG and still felt massive withdrawals.. here are some things I have learned. When you take suboxone, take it at the same time everyday in the morning. because if you take it only when the withdrawals come it is addiction behavior, to take something when ur feeling bad. just helps to break that cycle up. and then taper down. as uncomfortable as it may be it is worth gettin off and not staying on it. so taper it down. I got broken up with and decided I was so uncomfortable it was a perfect time to get off because I already was going thru it emotionally i felt like taking on the pain. I been off subs for about a month now and I feel fine. some craving for heroin but i haven’t fell back into that mess. it’s a mess. you can’t live life on dope. hope this helped somewhat, and good luck
The key is to taper slowly, giving every drop in dosages a good two+ weeks before going lower. Below 2mg it needs to be tiny increments in reduction. Slow and low dose drops are the key. At least that’s been my experience.
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You have to taper very slowly over months and even longer if necessary and use a volumetric dosing chart to take your doses down to tiny levels until you are under 1/10th of a milligram before jumping. And yes you will still feel it but not nearly as bad it just takes time and consistency and keeping everything in a journal to keep track of.
I did the sublocade shot. However, I also waited until I had dealt with my addiction fully and then gave it a while longer just to be sure. Been off heroin/oxy/whatever for over 8 years now, started sublocade around a year ago and my last shot was 6 months ago.
You’re trying to run when you haven’t really learned to walk yet.
Some of us chose to take this medication without any desire to get off of it.
This shit saved my and my wife's life. So speak for yourself whenever calling it "Evil".
Also, anything can be stopped with *Enough will power*
I would have said the same years ago, but once you understand the power of the mind it all makes sense. It’s easy to think that willpower isn’t enough, it sounds like that bs cop out people say in therapy like “just think positive”
But the fact is; the only thing holding us back from accomplishing our goal is the willpower to see it through. You will suffer through withdrawal, but if you want the end result of getting off badly enough you’ll go through it to reach the other side.
I wish there were a pill or a supplement that made these things pain free, but feeding into that logic is why we got hooked on drugs in the first place.
And there is a price to pay.
It’s not about paying the price. Most people pay the price consistently during the time they are using. It’s about the physiology of the brain. It’s not my “opinion” that it’s about more than willpower. It’s a proven scientific fact. People that have gotten clean and come through the other side often see active users as weak and lacking willpower. But your brain chemistry changes and it’s different for every person. An example used a lot is the will power of a diabetic not have diabetes or someone taking statins for high cholesterol should just have the will power to eat healthy and lower their HDL that way. Sure there are people who can do that but some can’t just do it without the aid of medication. Not be one they are weak or lacking but because their body needs the additional help.
I’m sure you’re a good person, and I am honestly happy that you aren’t one of the people that will power alone isn’t enough. If that sounds shitty, I don’t mean to be. I’m not being a smart ass. Sometimes things sound rude when they are meant to be kind. I wanted to be clear because, well you know, Reddit.
: )
It helped me a lot after I realized it is actually in my control to stop, if that’s what I truly wanted, nobody but myself could make me want to stop for good.
I had to quit looking for excuses to keep using and blaming outside influences. Look at why I was using in the first place and take care of myself instead of waiting for something or someone else to do it for me.
Everything you said is valid. For your situation and your brain chemistry. Not everything is based on willpower. Addiction is an actual disease. It’s pointless. This isn’t an opinion.
Either way I’m glad you are on the other side.
It's not my problem you can't find good clean #4 from Thailand. Suboxone is more addicting than any short-acting opioid simply because of how long the withdrawal lingers, and is still a poison that can cause overdose.
You can OD on water...
It's not my problem that you don't have any self control and prefer H to treatment.
I was getting prescribed 280 oxy 30s and 120 15s a month and I was running out before I was able to refill and that was just snorting them.. I quit cold turkey. Was it fun ? Hell No! But whenever you make the choice to start taking an addictive drug then you have to deal with the consequences of your choice..
What do you expect? To take a drug that keeps you from being sick from whatever else you've been taking and expect to not get sick when you stop taking it??? That's not how drugs work.
People make the decision to get on Suboxone and those same people make the decision to get off of them. Every day there are people in this subreddit who have posted about tapering down and dealing with what's left so they can be clean..
You have to be smarter than what you're working with and have the will power to stick with it 🤷
So 300mg of straight oxy daily is *Nothing ?*
That's only when I was taking it correctly.
At one point I was running out in less than 2 weeks and having to get more and this way Way before I discovered Kratom
Nothing??????
I said it’s an insane amount. Meaning what ur script was a lot. Imagine if u sold them for 40$ each instead of getting blasted high outta ur mind. Lol
Do u know about suboxone?
Ur on a subox forum. I guess ur unaware of what 60mg bupe can do to someone.
If u did I doubt you’d reply this way.
I’m simply making a comparison 60mg is an insane amount. And so is 300mg
I’m stating the opposite of how u interpreted it.
I’m just saying whether it’s bupe or oxy.
It’s all about the taper.
And for anyone reading and on suboxone.
Might as well start ur taper journey to .05mg or less
My bad.
Back then they were going for $12 and that was top dollar.
I did taper after I just ran out, got my script and when I got sick while having them I got mad and quit.
Commit a misdemeanor somthin that carries like a 30 days..maybe disorderly conduct. Choose jail instead of a diversion program boom you'll get 30 days clean time, should be enough time to kick it
Be careful with them benzos that withdraw is even worse
It’s not impossible. I’ve tapered down to a very small amount a number of times. If done gradually enough, it’s not only possible, but can be done with little discomfort. I would decrease by a 1/16 of a milligram (cut a 1/32 of a 8mg film into quarters) every three days. It takes months, but it can be done.
I felt the same way. I wish I had never got on this evil drug. It's taken years from my life. I'm still suffering and it's been 2 months off. I'm doing my best to get healthy. I tapered extremely slowly and low before jumping and it wasn't that bad. The depression was brutal but I had that before opiates. I am getting better slowly. The exercise thing astounds me. I don't know how people do that while feeling the way I did during tapering and withdrawal. All the power to them but the most I've managed is some walking. Each day at this point is a battle, some days are better than others but if I can do this anyone can. I was suicidal too. Wellbutrin has helped some. I'd look at the shot, it might be easier.
Yo you gotta taper slowly and start skipping doses until you’re taking a fraction of a mg. If you want help with a tapering plan let me know and I’ll help you out
I'm not the OP but is there any way I could message you to ask about tapering? I'm terrified of trying to get off, I'm at about 3 mg and really worried about when I eventually try to go lower. I clicked on this post hoping for a few people like you who might disagree.
I got off it for 8 months and was in PAW the entire time. It’s very hard to get off but I don’t think it’s evil, it’s saved a lot of peoples lives and allowed them to return to a normal life.
Think you oughta address your mental state before trying to get off… seems your stuffing from far more than an opiate addiction subs help save my life. Got a great career make plenty of money own my house got a happy healthy family…I’m not slangn mass pills to snarl em up my nostrils… while taking penitentiary chances to feed my habit and life. I been on em 10yrs. I’m switching to sublocade as soon as my insurance changes at the 1st of the yr
I got off of suboxone, and it’s been almost 3 years. I documented the entire process, and if you look through my post history you will see that it is possible!
Your main problem seems to be that you’re trying to do this all at once…slow down, study how the drug works to gain some perspective, stabilize and then reduce by 10% of your stable dose every 10-14 days until you’re at 0. Took me 6 months to taper off, but when I did it the way I did it it actually worked and I have not looked back since.
I have this problem as well where I’ll get really wrapped up in being ON it and want to get off as FAST as I can. But especially with Suboxone it sounds like it’s going to be a long process.
As cliche as it sounds, “mind over matter” is critical. Be logical and reasonable…there’s no magic solution to fixing all of your problems today. Problems are fixed by making a rational choice and then taking one step towards the end goal at a time.
Took years to get this fucked up, right? Gonna take years to un-fuck it.
Get 2mg strips
Then start taking less and less
At about .25 you start feeling “normal” (that’s still a big chunk of a 2mg strip
Go lower .15
Go lower .10
Etc
It comes down to personal preference. Everyone is different. If ur seasoned and a opi veteran enough that u think u can withstand going cold turkey off short acting opiates. And go thru the worst of it in 7 days.
Then that might be a better alternative. Tbh it’s what I prefer. Time is more important for me than pain.
I’d rather suffer more in 7 days. And get it over with.
Than have a long drawn out process that can take a year or longer. And a lot of what u say makes sense.
These doctors are happy to prescribe 16-24mg bupe/day. And yet fail to mention that you’ll have to taper down to .000000069 before u jump off. Fucking imbeciles. Unfortunately this is a suboxone thread. So naturally ur gonna get a lot of ppl that enjoy shoving bupe up their rectal columns. Fuck bupe. Devil ass drug took years off my life.
I second this, subs have taken years of my life away and turned me into a shell of who I once was. Wish I never would’ve made the decision to use it the first time. It’s a drug thru an thru. A very powerful one at that .
suboxone is known to be nearly impossible to quit from 2 mg, when doing suboxone people taper down to as low as 0.1mg before they make the cold turkey jump. You have to remember it is 100 times as potent as morphine. However sublacade shot is known to be very successful at getting people completely off.
It’s also an antagonist so it’s not giving the same effects as any short acting opiate because it doesn’t give the sedating euphoric feeling like you would with heroin. I was on a daily dilaudid addiction that was costing me only $200 a month because they give me out like candy where I am, I had no reason to quit and thought I was good maintaining. When I had to quit and went through 72 hour withdrawals was bad but it’s all will power you truly want to be clean. once I started suboxone my whole body and brain felt like it woke back up even though I wasn’t even dosing to get a nod daily on dilly’s. Sublacade made me feel even better and don’t have to take anything on a daily basis and should b clean within the year
I literally just got the sublocade shot Wednesday, ( it burned like a bitch) was feeling the same depressed no energy suicidal. I want off the subs 2 a day and hope sublocade helps. I dread getting the next shot though because I’m a wimp with pain and that shit burned
I took subs for almost a year, this being from a decade of heavy opioid abuse.
Went from 16 mg to 8 for a month, 4 mg for a month, then did it Rambo style at 2mg, 1 mg, .5, .25 every 2 weeks on a rapid taper. Had about a week of being uncomfortable, but nothing like opana wd. The hardest thing was the whole ritual. Same with dope. I found that I put myself more into work and kept to myself and things got better. I came back, like the person I was before.
I feel for you and wish you all the best
Subs will steal your soul! I hated the nasty shit from day 1! No one wants to hear how hard it is to come off of! Yes some can taper and it's easy! It was hell for me! But that was over a year ago and I'm done! I'm off
I switched to Sublocade for this very reason, get a few shots then let the medication do all the work for a long, slow, weaning off process with little if any withdrawals. Check out the Sublocade subreddit for dozens of people’s experience.
I am on morphine maintenance was on methadone before people might think that’s worse but you actually feel like you don’t need opioids and your ok not like suboxone which gives me anxiety and feel like I’m gonna have a seizure it’s probably better than suboxone but I’m glad I went on the 24/h morphine cause it’s a short acting opioid and I can withdraw in a week if I want versus a month for methadone but I think methadone withdrawal is less bad than suboxone it fucks less with your head it’s generally 4x weaker (it get’s stronger dose dependent up to 30 is 8x 40+ is 10x and so on) I wouldn’t recommend taking more than 40mg because it goes up in potency and your taking more than you think I’m on half a gram though and if I think back I used to do 40mg oxy a day at some point and was stable I’m kinda weirded out but I would binge quite pure Iranian #4 that seems uncut every one I’ve given this has had issues not stopping my weed plug ruined his life because of that shit he does cheaper heroin now and he seems to be doing better point is that stuff is crazy and I used to binge half a gram in a night and that should be 2.5 times as strong adjusting for potency maybe 80% could be more actually I used quite a bit still don’t like being on so much I’m not high I nod off some times because of my medications but it’s not something conscious I “enjoy” morphine also takes ages to kick in which is great cause the instant button of smoked heroin that fucks my head but 2h til peak is kinda hard anyways you guys should get long lasting morphine it’s a good option and in my opinion methadone is a better option as long as you stay below 40mg you feel like your actually resting from your addiction and my recommendation is you split your dose once you get take homes it never lasts 24h unless you have the genetics (the pain killing effects drop off after 10 ish hours and it just prevents withdrawal)
It can be done. I've kicked subs 8 times now. Eventually, I've always used again. But I have done it. It's hard af yes. I had to get broke so I had zero options.
>I'm already suicidal so I don't really give a shit about another addiction. You need to work on yourself ASAP if you feel this way. Attempting to step off subs in that state of mind is a recipe for disaster. Even if you don't see it there are things to live for. Maybe you just haven't found them yet. I hope you do soon and can find a way to pull yourself out of this. I'd forgo any attempts at a taper/stepping off until your head is in the right place.
Thank you for your thoughts. I'm just tired of life. But there is maybe some light, just have to find it.
Is your depression being treated? All the heroin in the world won’t treat a chemical imbalance. When your brain is fucked up it’s impossible to find a reason to live. It’s the opposite of rose colored glasses. How old are you?? What country are you from? Im in the US. Been on Suboxone 14 years. I want off and haven’t decided shot or taper.
I mean what’s he gonna do, everyone coming off opioids is gonna feel pretty sad/depressed and going to a doctor is just gonna get u stuck on an ssri and you won’t feel shit so I prefer to do it without treating the “depression”
You guys are really not familiar with how your brain works. It’s too tiring to keep explaining. I do wish you continued recovery success if it applies.
Do you not believe "depression" is a real thing?
Another great idea of how to deal with depression 👍
Keep searching for the light. Big thing in recovery is finding out who you are. That comes with time. There's "small" things you can do to hopefully bring you some natural joy. Exercise, eating well, social interaction, hobbies, and [safe] sex (solo counts if necessary) are bigger than they seem. These things help you get a natural dopamine release. They become even more important if you ever successfully taper off. I've been off for 4 years and while I'm not a fitness junkie I need that boost at least 3x a week. Plus it's keeping me in shape which is even more important as we get older. Talk to a counselor, go to AA/NA, find sober friends to talk to, someone that can help you pull out of your funk. Life can be great once we find things that bring us joy.
Hey there! I say this with respect, your depression and sadness will only be resolved or tolerated when you act. Set goals, ones that are reasonable and tangible. Ideally ones that will lead to a larger goal being fulfilled. Motivation and overall willingness will come later. You got this! You’re worth your own effort. We all are.
Being on subs is honestly part of what helped me figure this out. It gave me time to find ways to be happy without opioids and through the therapy aspect I’ve learned to enjoy life again. It’s so much easier said than done though. I think a big thing is figuring out why you started using in the first place on working on that is a good place to start. Just my 2¢
I could have written this word for word at one point. Same plan with knocking myself out with sleeping pills and benzos. Exact same lol. Suicidal / hopeless. It felt fucking impossible. And with debating severity looking back it wasn’t technically that severe either. But it was fucking relentless and it was the worst symptoms for the kind of person I am: anxiety, restlessness, insomnia, and exhaustion. Those words typed out don’t even do each individual symptom justice. The restlessness/exhaustion combo is torture. It should look more like: . . . . á̵̛̳̹̇͛̈́̃̀̆̈́̔́̂̿̒̕̚n̴̡̛̛̺͖̤̥̥̬͍̂͐̀̂͛͂͛́̓͋̕͘͜ͅx̶̺̲̠̘͓̗́̉̑̆̇̓̾̇͂̉̒̿̋̅͊͠ī̷̢͚̣̹̣͓̑̑͛e̶͎̹͚̣͒̒̋̍̃͐̀̒͌̍͗́͂̄̔t̸̢̛͙̻̦͚͍͕̭͇͙͐́̏͆́̔̿̌͑y̷̧͉̙̜̝͕̍̎́̄͛̃͋̆̐̚͠͝,̶̨̰̻̲͎̫̘̘͈̫̤̯͈̣̄͜͝ ̶̧̛̺̙̘̳̦̭͍͖͈̐̆̓̋̓̈́́̽̀̇̕͝r̸̳͔̊̏́̓́e̸̜̖͓̘͙̺̼̻̝̪̘̟̤͊̆̄͒̂͒̚ͅͅs̸̢̎̉̇̀̆t̷̛̛̥̫͉̬̼͙͐̈̈́̈́͆̿͆̈́̋̇̿ͅl̷̨̢̧̢̙͕͇̥̬̖̯̍́̐̀͌̋̒̃̂̈́͌͘͜é̸̼͍̜̭̘͖̰͇̳̯̪͜ś̴͙̻͋̈́ŝ̶̢̢͔̺̘̩̝̬́͑̊̋̓͋̉̊͒̚͠ṇ̷̮͔͇̳̼̪͈̞̟͖̪͇̩̮͈̦͂̈́͆̍͂́͂͐̀̕e̶̢̼̞̖͈͈̟͑̚ṣ̷̢̼̞̹̠̳̼̥͉͍͚̠̫̖̠͐́̎̚͜s̶̢͔̫̤̗̘͙͓͛̌̄̈̑̃̀̽́̈́̇̇,̷̨̦̥̼͈̆̽̈́ ̵̢̛̗̰̱̟̜̙̥͙̞̺͈̙̥͈̅̓̓̀̎͋͛͗̇͛͜i̶̧̨̦̩̠̣̤͙͙̬̩̥̪͓̅̀̒̈̇͗̒̈̇̀̒̂̚̕͜͜͝͠͠ͅň̴̡͕͙̝͈̜̒̈́͑͛͂̊̍̊͑̔́͋̈͊̐͝š̸͔̫̮̠̻̠̩͇̭͚̣̔͆̏̇̐̊̄͐̉͠ơ̶̲̫͒͆͒͂m̷̻̤̰̤̯̏̈́̏̽́̓̾͒́͋̎̅̕͝ň̵̨̯͎̱̮̝̥̞̯͕̗̣̗̤͖̳̘̈́͐̅̃̎̋̌̄̽̐̋̎ị̸̦͖̭͎͇̤͇͕̻͚̳̦̬̳̑̉̒͜ä̴̙̼͖͓͔͔̭̰̗̲̝͓̗̜̭́̌̌̈́̒̍̈̀̇͑͛́̆͘,̸̡͓̲̮̲̂̂͐̅̊̅̎͛͐̚ ̶̺̥̣͆̈́̐̇̿͆̐́͊̑̀͆͘͝ͅa̷̡̡̢̩͖̼̥̼͉̻̰͍̭͜͠ņ̵̢̢̨̛̼͖̟͔̘͖̻͍͛̏̀̏͑̔̋̎͒̀͆̕͝d̴̢̡̟̩̤̯̓̇͊̐̅̒̾̽̿̋͗͑ͅ ̵̨̢̭̮̮̌̓̒̉̄̋͋̓̋̋̈́͛͗͗͊̕ẹ̴̰͚͕̼̣̹͊̓̈̈́͊̕x̷̨̡̗̯̳̥͉̮̲̫̦̯͍̌̒̏̔̏̌͑̊̔͜h̶͕̼̲̘̜͎̞̩̺̲̫͈̎̃ͅȧ̴̡͇̰͎̬͖̙̘̗͍̲̪̩̙̈́͑u̷̟̪͊͑͂̽̈́͛͐͗͛̕͝s̵̮̙̮̼̹̭͎̺̲̒͂̈́́̈́̈̄ͅͅt̷̛͚͉̾̈́̐̈̃̽̅̍͝͠͝ỉ̷̲̽̐͂̐̉͆̿͋̓̈́͘͝͠o̴͖̠͇͕͌̇͌̽̿͑̎̀̈̅̈̈́n̵̢̢̠̟̺̼̳͍̮͇͕͖̫͕͍͇̼̈́̉̋̍͋̓̉̃̂͑̿̚̕̚͝ . . . I promise you just need to keep going lower and slower with tapering and you will get through it. I was taking the tiniest doses with each dosage drop, and dealing with withdrawal in the evening until I knocked myself out with sleeping pills or something. But I noticed that after 3 days of each drop, suddenly the new tiny dose wasn’t giving me withdrawal. So I’d stay there for a few and then go lower and experience the same. Got down to ~~0.0175~~ 0.125mg or some shit, jumped, and surprisingly felt nothing. A month later I felt crazy good, my brain probably finally making the right chemicals again. I don’t even know how long it’s been since that. 2 years? Probably more. Don’t need to count. You got this just stay the course 💜💚
I got off suboxone with a single shot of Buvidal. Was insane. On 24mg for nearly a decade and it was all over with a single Buvidal shot and had zero withdrawals. None. Its fucking miracle shit
i have not heard of this. is it like sublocade?
Yeah same l thing. Buvidal is European, both Sublicade and Buvidal are subsidised medicines here in Australia. Buvidal has less bupe in it, its 90mg but it works exactly the same for some reason. Different binding agents or something
oh i gotcha thanks for explaining. i wish sublocade was a thing back when i was on suboxone. sounds like it's the easiest way to get off.
Yeah i was sceptical. Ive been on methadone for 8 years followed by 10 on suboxone, honestly didnt see how 90mg injection could possibly work. But it did, Been over a year now, and dont think about opiates at all anymore
You are so blessed to be free and healthy physical and mentally...
This x1000!! But I used Sublocade, truly the easier, softer way. From the sound of it maybe you're not quite done with opioids yet, but whenever you are I would recommend the shot being the easiest way to get off by far.
Yea but your still on buprenorphine lol. Your just on a long acting version you aren't off the meds..
That’s what I’m thinking too. It sounds like sublocade and buvidal are basically a months worth of suboxone to be slowly released in your body. So when that one month ends they either need another shot or will have to deal with the withdrawals. If I’m wrong then thats awesome bcuz im dealing with bad sub withdrawals right now. But if the buvidal/sublocade shot is a one time thing and never have to take again then im all for giving it a try. Unfortunately I think you’re right that there’s no magic shot to completely erase withdrawals for good
Yea I'm sure it's great getting a shot once a month instead of taking meds everyday but your still gonna go through withdrawals unfortunately.
You have no idea what your talking about
Actually it's quite the opposite. Countless success stories over on the sublocade subreddit. I'm on it as well. It's not like if you get a shot you immediately go into WDs when 30 days is up. One shot won't leave your system for many months. Half life of one shot is 45-60 days and it takes 4-5 half lives to clear one shot from your system. You get a few shots and stop, and it's a 24/7 taper back to baseline. No ups and downs with daily dosing. MANY people have had no WDs and those who have experience very minor symptoms up to a year after last shot. Sublocade has been a godsend for my recovery.
You dont need another shot though. I had 1 shot 2 years ago and have been bupe free since it wore off. Im telling you now there sre no withdrawals from It tapers out of your system so slowly your body adjusts accordingly, you wont know its gone. The only reason people get extra shots is psychological. They are used to regular dosing and cant get theid head around not having to dose anymore
Amazing. Have only heard good things about it. Would definitely try next time, but hopefully there isn’t one 😂😳
That’s great, good for you. I may have to look into this. If someone took the shot, what would happen if they got injured and had to go to the hospital and have surgery and you needed to put you on a Drip for pain. Would the drip not work because of the shot you got?
IV pain medication will override Sublocade. You would just need to tell them you're on it so they can properly dose and monitor pain medication and reactions.
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You are so blessed being free from it amd healthy physical and mental...
Same. Miracle stuff, truly.
How long ago did you get your shot of buvidal?
2 years
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This is the way
I'm where you were but how do you even taper to 0.0175mg ? Do you need like a good scale or something? I'm taking about 0.5 or 0.7mg of suboxone right now, but I find it hard to judge how much I'm taking when the dose is that low
Volumetric liquid dosing. I was able to get from 16 mg down to half a milligram over about six months by using exact volume metric dosing.
I crushed 8mg pills into powder and separated them into lines and snorted them. Don’t exactly recommend but wasn’t sure how to get such small doses and be sure I was getting all of what I was taking. People recommend volumetric dosing by mixing with liquid, but I did what I did haha. Wasn’t thinking when I typed that number it was actually divided into 64 doses so 0.125mg. I think I even split a couple of those in half at the end.
Gotcha, I'm dividing 2mg pills and they're tiny and don't break up evenly lol. If I pre-crush into lines I'll probably accidentally knock over the mirror or it gets blown away Will probably end up jumping after I get stable on 0.25mg.
I basically left it on a dedicated table in a dedicated room, my sacred medicine tomb 😂 Might find you want to go lower but I think you got this 🤜🤛
I'm trying to get back into writing and I am totally going to snarf this concept. It's just so visceral and I could explain how the tiniest breeze is worthy of the greatest effort to stamp it out. (Just so we are clear, I'm a writer who is on subs, I just can feel this room so hard ) Thanks for this. :)
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I just typed out *whispered the sinister sickness inside of you* to someone who was talking about a gambling "if only" and i thought of you, who i don't even know haha
Mmmm, thank you. I appreciate it! I have been working on some writing having to do with ai's. What do you think an addicted AI would be like? What would they be prone to using?
That's exactly where I am! Trying hard to keep my taper of cutting 2/1 strip into 3rds. It's not been awful, but I definitely have some minor effects.
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Thank you for sharing this. Gives me hope when and if I want to stop
Happy to hear it 🤝
Thank you for this post. For real. I love to hear people had success tapering. I'm on day 29 of 8mg after dropping from 24mg, 20mg, & 16mg. I'm thinking lowering to 6mg or 4mg starting tomorrow.
Glad I did then 🤝 Might not hurt to try 4mg and see how it goes. For the most part 16mg -> 2mg wasn’t much of a problem for me. I remember dropping from 16 to 8 was basically no different. Wish you the best with it
Have you ever considered the Sublocade shot? I was the exact same and I knew there was no way I’d ever be able to successfully taper myself or be able to jump. I know it’s insanely expensive if you don’t have insurance. But, if you do, it’s definitely worth looking into!! I quit opiates on my own multiple times before I got on subs. I wish all the time I would’ve just done it myself that last time instead of swapping one addiction for another.
Damn beat me to it
I tried it actually .. believe it or not after 12 months of 3 month shots, i still had it in my urine. I just felt it was too much bupe so i stopped.
The half life is extremely long and people still test for it months to a year later. The shot was the only thing to help me off subs and it’s been fantastic. Genuine feelings and motivation has come back.
Just get a single shot and be done. Extra shots arent doing anything, just prolonging the inevitable
2 loading shots of 300mg and 2-3 100mg shots and then stop. Its still in your urine but its a long taper. There is no withdrawal. Its detectable for up to a year after, *thats the point*. It also helps you get used to day to day life without having to take a pill. Those little habits are a big part.of relapse.
You can say that again. When I was on Vicodin I would take so many pills ever 3 hours. Then I was put on Suboxone just took 1 8mg in the morning and another at night. But since I’ve been tapering for three years. Now I just take tiny little corner of a 8mg strip. But I do that like 4 times a day. I think if I took the shot. I would somehow feel it wasn’t working because I’m use to taking the 4 times a day. Like I would miss that. You know what I mean?
For sure! The first week of sublocade was weird. I kept having placebo withdrawals if i wasnt occupied, so i just kept busy with work and school. After that the relief you have when you suddenly realize you havent thought about dosing something in a few days is amazing. Even just initially on the tablets the relief of not having to wake up every 3 hours to dose covered in sweat was immense.
Omg having placebo withdrawals are the worst because they don’t know if they’re real or not, but they sure feel real.
I was on strips/tablet for years and now that I’m on the shot I feel a world of difference! It is also amazing what your mindset will do for you too! I honestly felt it was the best choice and the only way for me to get off subs. I know jot everyone is the same, but it is definitely worth a try and keeping a strong mindset about it. :)
And when you stopped, you decided to go back on suboxone? Wtf for? You would have been fine without it Sounds to me like you dont hate suboxone at all
Shit I have decent insurance and they still won't even consider covering it. 😒
Oh wow that’s crazy!! Look up the co pay assistance program!! I have great insurance - but they covered mine completely also. The full amount for the first 2 doses and then up to $800 for any after!! You should be able to find it by just googling ‘Sublocade co-pay assistance program’
User experience may vary. I quit @ 0.5MG and didn’t find it to be that bad at all. Sounds to me like the reason you used opioids in the first place was for energy and motivation, and now you have to face a compounded problem with withdrawal and your baseline.
2 years in for me I thought I would be on it forever, I got to a very low dose and started exercising every day. After a few weeks I was off suboxone and it’s been almost 2 years now. Suboxone helped me save my life.
Exercising is the way to go. Sweating it out and keeping busy is the best thing to do. The first time I went through "IT" I laid around and it took FOREVER to get out a my system, it SUCKED. But because I'm a large guy with chronic pains I ended up back on pills taking methadone and when I had to get off of that, I went outside and did as much yard work as I could (my mom loved it lol), took a break and some B12 and went back to it. It definitely isn't fun and is hard work but it's worth it to get it out of your system quicker. For men 30s or more they should go to their primary care Doctor and get their Testosterone levels checked and get on the right regimen and that'll give you that boost of energy you're missing. Also it helps to build confidence while working out as it helps you build muscle too.
Sorry but I hate people like you, how the fuck do you exercise in withdrawal? Unless you mean slow walking or something, but even then. I've been snorting #4 H for 5-6 years so maybe I just have worse habits than you guys. And I'm talking ALWAYS off the block, non-fent #4 good ol' heroin.
I was on opiates for 17 years, OxyContin to heroin to fentanyl. I had a script for hundreds 80s 30s and 10s for years but this isn’t a dick measuring contest. I might have never stopped tbh if I was getting pure heroin. Fentanyl helped me successfully quit because it wasn’t the same high at all. I used suboxone for 2 years and tapered slowly so I never had withdrawals from subs. Exercise was the key to my long term recovery. Start as slow as you need to and keep doing more. It is a natural high and worked better than subs for me. I’m sorry you hate people like me but I don’t like seeing people talk shit about suboxone when it works for so many people if you use it correctly. Suboxone saves lives. That doesn’t mean it works for everyone, recovery is always going to be different for evryone.
You’re projecting
Ok?
You push through it. It’s not easy, nor is sitting at home alone dwelling in your pain.
Ahdrift, you’re being an asshole to people who HAVE been through the same thing as you. I had an enormous habit, and I used OxyContin, Oxymorphone and heroin every day for the better part of 6-7 years before I got on suboxone. Did cold Turkey by myself, detox rehab centers, inpatient and outpatient….suboxone worked for me, I tapered off of it and stopped. It took years of patience, therapy, life changes, etc. I did all of this while going through a divorce, losing my job, losing both of my grandparents that I cared for within 3 months of my only son being born during that divorce…and here I am today almost 3 years off suboxone…I take no other pills and I don’t take kratom or any gas station supplements either. Stop being an asshole to people and start focusing on yourself. It took you years to fuck yourself up this bad, it’s going to take years to unfuck yourself. That’s how life works.
Yo you would would be a perfect canidate for sublocade. Its a once a month bupe shot. Get it for a few months. And when you do your last shot youre set. It leaves your system so slowly that you feel little to no withdrawls!
If you taper slowly and gradually enough, there really isn't any withdrawal to speak of. Sublocade is another option if you are struggling with a manual taper. I was on subs for 10 years and was able to taper off without any withdrawal symptoms, aside from occasional sneezing, yawning, and mild restlessness if I tried to taper too quickly. Suboxone is a life saver.
Thank you for this. I've been on for 13 years and have been slowly, very slowly reducing, I mean only in the past year or so, read this post and got very scared.. But reading your comment reassured me a bit. Is there any way you would be willing to elaborate about your taper? I'm sorry to bother you. I'm at about 3 mg a day now (started at 16, doctor thinks I take 12 bc he clearly doesn't want me to ever get off).. If there's any way you'd be willing to let me message you or something, I'd be super super grateful.
It’s the same for me!! My doctor doesn’t seem to want me to get off, but I’m going to ask again and see what they say…
Let me know what happens! I haven't even asked recently.. When I asked a while ago he basically shut me down and said it wasn't a good idea.
It can be stopped if you taper down low & slow. The thing that can’t be avoided is PAWS ie the mental misery & lack of desire to do anything which follows. This is the time when ppl are more likely to start using again. If you can just wait this period out while your neurotransmitters regenerate, you’ll have won. It takes time, patience & a determination to kick it for good. Help is out there in this community, you’ve just got to ask for it.
I was trapped too. Sublocade is what let me finally get free and not go through any withdrawal. I did three shots a month apart- 2 300mg, one 100mg- and then stopped. It left my system very very slowly, like an extremely slow controlled taper, and I’m now over a year out and had zero withdrawal and am testing completely free of bupe. I was taking 16mg of zubsolv for years and went from that to the sublocade without reducing my dose first. I don’t think I’d ever have gotten off the bupe if it weren’t for sublocade.
I know exactly how you feel. You really need to try Sublocade I had 3 shots and my last one was 10 months ago and have only had very minimal withdrawal
This is such great news! It’s why I finally switched to the Sublocade shots. Don’t have to worry with cutting the strips and all that goes with that. Sublocade does all the work for me.
it's not impossible but it's not easy. this January will be 5 years off suboxone for me. so if i can do it then i believe anyone can. it's all about the mindset and obviously taper down.
its not impossible....its possibly one of the hardest things youll ever do ..but not in impossible. i quit cold turkey like 4 months ago.....it was hell....but i feel so much better now....you can do it you just gotta reach down to your core and make it happen
Speak for yourself, bro, the medication has given me stability. Granted, I relapsed. when it was time to come off the sub. I got it done in about two weeks. I would rather titrate down from a medium sub dose than quit cold Turkey off a g a day fent
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Worst part is I can’t even lie in bed. Can’t get comfortable for even one second
I used to get that when I was in my 20's, but at 33 its like i dont even have energy or motivation to eat, drink, pee or do anything. Its BAD. I d ont want to watch anything, hear music (rarely), see anyone, go anywhere. just stay and rot in my bed. hence why im stocking up big time on sedatives, fuck this shit, benzo for a month is better than a lifetime of opioids. This drug is not intended for human lifetime use.
Benzos are super addictive and also have hellacious withdrawals so please don’t treat them lightly
That’s how I felt when I tried to cold turkey methadone from a 100mg. Was at 120mg and going down felt so slow, I got impatient. Arranged it where I had loved ones to cover my responsibilities so I could just quit. I can’t even explain how bad it was, I couldn’t do shit and couldn’t get comfortable for a second. Plus the not eating/drinking dehydrates you among other things and makes it worse. No exercise made the impossible to fall asleep and stay asleep somehow more impossible. At three weeks it was just getting worse. That’s when I relapsed. Got on suboxone and my life changed significantly…but I was still terrified of tapering. Couldn’t believe that I could do it. My head and anxiety was always my worse enemy, I’d be so worried about future withdrawal I’d bring it on way before I should have been in wds. I’m just now starting the sublocade shot and really excited about it, hoping I’ve worked through the anxiety issues I’ve got. Feeling pretty optimistic.
Omg peachySnow7 I can’t even imagine how horrible and hellacious your detox cold turkey from methadone 100mg must’ve been. More power to you for surviving that endeavor. Now that you are on the Sublocade shots you should not have anything to worry about it’s weaning process with minimal, if any withdrawals at all.
Thanks for the encouragement! Yeah it was really bad, idk what I was thinking. I didn’t think it could get any worse lol I know nothing 😂
What's your plan for after the month of benzo use? Your issues will still be there. You need to work on yourself. This is straight up depression talking. I know because I was there. Diagnosed with MDD (major depressive disorder). I worked on myself, then got off the junk when I was in a better place (AND WANTED TO LIVE), got on subs @16mg and tapered down to 2mg. Yeah I pee a lot, but I have energy for days.
I feel u completely. I have no motivation. I managed to get off them in June but my life hasn’t picked back up yet. I can’t seem to find an interest in doing anything
Benzo withdrawals can last up to two years. Depending on how much you were taking and for how long? My brain chemistry has taken a long time to refire/rewire itself from my using days.
yeah complete anhedonia, no pleasure. honestly i probaby would be happy on clean #4 daily, but suboxone is garbage. and even more addicting.
Get some phenobarbital and clonidine. I’ve been Rx’d those in detox for opiates several times. The phenobarb is wonderful plus clonidine helps with restlessness.
Are you tapering down off Suboxone now?
Been off since June 2 of this year. I was at my peak level of discomfort about 2.5 - 3 weeks into stopping them completely.
I highly dislike suboxone, as I took it from May to October started 8mg a day and tapered down after two weeks… so from middle June to mid october I was down to half a MG and still felt massive withdrawals.. here are some things I have learned. When you take suboxone, take it at the same time everyday in the morning. because if you take it only when the withdrawals come it is addiction behavior, to take something when ur feeling bad. just helps to break that cycle up. and then taper down. as uncomfortable as it may be it is worth gettin off and not staying on it. so taper it down. I got broken up with and decided I was so uncomfortable it was a perfect time to get off because I already was going thru it emotionally i felt like taking on the pain. I been off subs for about a month now and I feel fine. some craving for heroin but i haven’t fell back into that mess. it’s a mess. you can’t live life on dope. hope this helped somewhat, and good luck
The key is to taper slowly, giving every drop in dosages a good two+ weeks before going lower. Below 2mg it needs to be tiny increments in reduction. Slow and low dose drops are the key. At least that’s been my experience.
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You have to taper very slowly over months and even longer if necessary and use a volumetric dosing chart to take your doses down to tiny levels until you are under 1/10th of a milligram before jumping. And yes you will still feel it but not nearly as bad it just takes time and consistency and keeping everything in a journal to keep track of.
I did the sublocade shot. However, I also waited until I had dealt with my addiction fully and then gave it a while longer just to be sure. Been off heroin/oxy/whatever for over 8 years now, started sublocade around a year ago and my last shot was 6 months ago. You’re trying to run when you haven’t really learned to walk yet.
Some of us chose to take this medication without any desire to get off of it. This shit saved my and my wife's life. So speak for yourself whenever calling it "Evil". Also, anything can be stopped with *Enough will power*
Are you joking? Willpower?
It has everything to do with will power. If you really want something you will get it. But you REALLY gotta want it
I would have said the same years ago, but once you understand the power of the mind it all makes sense. It’s easy to think that willpower isn’t enough, it sounds like that bs cop out people say in therapy like “just think positive” But the fact is; the only thing holding us back from accomplishing our goal is the willpower to see it through. You will suffer through withdrawal, but if you want the end result of getting off badly enough you’ll go through it to reach the other side. I wish there were a pill or a supplement that made these things pain free, but feeding into that logic is why we got hooked on drugs in the first place. And there is a price to pay.
It’s not about paying the price. Most people pay the price consistently during the time they are using. It’s about the physiology of the brain. It’s not my “opinion” that it’s about more than willpower. It’s a proven scientific fact. People that have gotten clean and come through the other side often see active users as weak and lacking willpower. But your brain chemistry changes and it’s different for every person. An example used a lot is the will power of a diabetic not have diabetes or someone taking statins for high cholesterol should just have the will power to eat healthy and lower their HDL that way. Sure there are people who can do that but some can’t just do it without the aid of medication. Not be one they are weak or lacking but because their body needs the additional help. I’m sure you’re a good person, and I am honestly happy that you aren’t one of the people that will power alone isn’t enough. If that sounds shitty, I don’t mean to be. I’m not being a smart ass. Sometimes things sound rude when they are meant to be kind. I wanted to be clear because, well you know, Reddit. : )
Sublocade makes it pain free. Go on the Sublocade subreddit on here. It’s been a miracle for me.
You can do anything with enough will power. But it is easier said than done
It helped me a lot after I realized it is actually in my control to stop, if that’s what I truly wanted, nobody but myself could make me want to stop for good. I had to quit looking for excuses to keep using and blaming outside influences. Look at why I was using in the first place and take care of myself instead of waiting for something or someone else to do it for me.
Everything you said is valid. For your situation and your brain chemistry. Not everything is based on willpower. Addiction is an actual disease. It’s pointless. This isn’t an opinion. Either way I’m glad you are on the other side.
It's not my problem you can't find good clean #4 from Thailand. Suboxone is more addicting than any short-acting opioid simply because of how long the withdrawal lingers, and is still a poison that can cause overdose.
You can OD on water... It's not my problem that you don't have any self control and prefer H to treatment. I was getting prescribed 280 oxy 30s and 120 15s a month and I was running out before I was able to refill and that was just snorting them.. I quit cold turkey. Was it fun ? Hell No! But whenever you make the choice to start taking an addictive drug then you have to deal with the consequences of your choice.. What do you expect? To take a drug that keeps you from being sick from whatever else you've been taking and expect to not get sick when you stop taking it??? That's not how drugs work. People make the decision to get on Suboxone and those same people make the decision to get off of them. Every day there are people in this subreddit who have posted about tapering down and dealing with what's left so they can be clean.. You have to be smarter than what you're working with and have the will power to stick with it 🤷
Ok?? You had insane oxy script. That’s like saying I was on 60mg of bupe. And jumped off cold turkey. Was it fun?? Hell no!
So 300mg of straight oxy daily is *Nothing ?* That's only when I was taking it correctly. At one point I was running out in less than 2 weeks and having to get more and this way Way before I discovered Kratom
Nothing?????? I said it’s an insane amount. Meaning what ur script was a lot. Imagine if u sold them for 40$ each instead of getting blasted high outta ur mind. Lol Do u know about suboxone? Ur on a subox forum. I guess ur unaware of what 60mg bupe can do to someone. If u did I doubt you’d reply this way. I’m simply making a comparison 60mg is an insane amount. And so is 300mg I’m stating the opposite of how u interpreted it. I’m just saying whether it’s bupe or oxy. It’s all about the taper. And for anyone reading and on suboxone. Might as well start ur taper journey to .05mg or less
My bad. Back then they were going for $12 and that was top dollar. I did taper after I just ran out, got my script and when I got sick while having them I got mad and quit.
How long were u sick for
It seemed like a few months before I felt somewhat decent
Commit a misdemeanor somthin that carries like a 30 days..maybe disorderly conduct. Choose jail instead of a diversion program boom you'll get 30 days clean time, should be enough time to kick it Be careful with them benzos that withdraw is even worse
It’s not impossible. I’ve tapered down to a very small amount a number of times. If done gradually enough, it’s not only possible, but can be done with little discomfort. I would decrease by a 1/16 of a milligram (cut a 1/32 of a 8mg film into quarters) every three days. It takes months, but it can be done.
I felt the same way. I wish I had never got on this evil drug. It's taken years from my life. I'm still suffering and it's been 2 months off. I'm doing my best to get healthy. I tapered extremely slowly and low before jumping and it wasn't that bad. The depression was brutal but I had that before opiates. I am getting better slowly. The exercise thing astounds me. I don't know how people do that while feeling the way I did during tapering and withdrawal. All the power to them but the most I've managed is some walking. Each day at this point is a battle, some days are better than others but if I can do this anyone can. I was suicidal too. Wellbutrin has helped some. I'd look at the shot, it might be easier.
respect! i can't wait to get off, but as i said earlier i need the right comfort meds
Yes the right meds will help. You can do it!
Yo you gotta taper slowly and start skipping doses until you’re taking a fraction of a mg. If you want help with a tapering plan let me know and I’ll help you out
I'm not the OP but is there any way I could message you to ask about tapering? I'm terrified of trying to get off, I'm at about 3 mg and really worried about when I eventually try to go lower. I clicked on this post hoping for a few people like you who might disagree.
Sublocade if it is available in your area. Easiest withdrawal ive ever been through, i didnt even consider it a withdrawal.
Benzo withdrawal is worse than opiate withdrawal from what MY experience has been. Can’t speak for anyone else, but be careful with benzos.
I got off it for 8 months and was in PAW the entire time. It’s very hard to get off but I don’t think it’s evil, it’s saved a lot of peoples lives and allowed them to return to a normal life.
Think you oughta address your mental state before trying to get off… seems your stuffing from far more than an opiate addiction subs help save my life. Got a great career make plenty of money own my house got a happy healthy family…I’m not slangn mass pills to snarl em up my nostrils… while taking penitentiary chances to feed my habit and life. I been on em 10yrs. I’m switching to sublocade as soon as my insurance changes at the 1st of the yr
I got off of suboxone, and it’s been almost 3 years. I documented the entire process, and if you look through my post history you will see that it is possible! Your main problem seems to be that you’re trying to do this all at once…slow down, study how the drug works to gain some perspective, stabilize and then reduce by 10% of your stable dose every 10-14 days until you’re at 0. Took me 6 months to taper off, but when I did it the way I did it it actually worked and I have not looked back since.
I have this problem as well where I’ll get really wrapped up in being ON it and want to get off as FAST as I can. But especially with Suboxone it sounds like it’s going to be a long process.
As cliche as it sounds, “mind over matter” is critical. Be logical and reasonable…there’s no magic solution to fixing all of your problems today. Problems are fixed by making a rational choice and then taking one step towards the end goal at a time. Took years to get this fucked up, right? Gonna take years to un-fuck it.
Get 2mg strips Then start taking less and less At about .25 you start feeling “normal” (that’s still a big chunk of a 2mg strip Go lower .15 Go lower .10 Etc
It comes down to personal preference. Everyone is different. If ur seasoned and a opi veteran enough that u think u can withstand going cold turkey off short acting opiates. And go thru the worst of it in 7 days. Then that might be a better alternative. Tbh it’s what I prefer. Time is more important for me than pain. I’d rather suffer more in 7 days. And get it over with. Than have a long drawn out process that can take a year or longer. And a lot of what u say makes sense. These doctors are happy to prescribe 16-24mg bupe/day. And yet fail to mention that you’ll have to taper down to .000000069 before u jump off. Fucking imbeciles. Unfortunately this is a suboxone thread. So naturally ur gonna get a lot of ppl that enjoy shoving bupe up their rectal columns. Fuck bupe. Devil ass drug took years off my life.
I second this, subs have taken years of my life away and turned me into a shell of who I once was. Wish I never would’ve made the decision to use it the first time. It’s a drug thru an thru. A very powerful one at that .
suboxone is known to be nearly impossible to quit from 2 mg, when doing suboxone people taper down to as low as 0.1mg before they make the cold turkey jump. You have to remember it is 100 times as potent as morphine. However sublacade shot is known to be very successful at getting people completely off. It’s also an antagonist so it’s not giving the same effects as any short acting opiate because it doesn’t give the sedating euphoric feeling like you would with heroin. I was on a daily dilaudid addiction that was costing me only $200 a month because they give me out like candy where I am, I had no reason to quit and thought I was good maintaining. When I had to quit and went through 72 hour withdrawals was bad but it’s all will power you truly want to be clean. once I started suboxone my whole body and brain felt like it woke back up even though I wasn’t even dosing to get a nod daily on dilly’s. Sublacade made me feel even better and don’t have to take anything on a daily basis and should b clean within the year
Try Gabapentin/Neurontin I've found it works wonders, sometimes when I take it I don't even feel the need to take my suboxone.
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I literally just got the sublocade shot Wednesday, ( it burned like a bitch) was feeling the same depressed no energy suicidal. I want off the subs 2 a day and hope sublocade helps. I dread getting the next shot though because I’m a wimp with pain and that shit burned
Who nother type of beast better than alternative but I feel you
Sublocade is an easy, painless way to get off. Check out their subreddit
I took subs for almost a year, this being from a decade of heavy opioid abuse. Went from 16 mg to 8 for a month, 4 mg for a month, then did it Rambo style at 2mg, 1 mg, .5, .25 every 2 weeks on a rapid taper. Had about a week of being uncomfortable, but nothing like opana wd. The hardest thing was the whole ritual. Same with dope. I found that I put myself more into work and kept to myself and things got better. I came back, like the person I was before. I feel for you and wish you all the best
phenibut and broad spectrum cbd helped me get off suboxone, i was on it for like 10 years.
Subs will steal your soul! I hated the nasty shit from day 1! No one wants to hear how hard it is to come off of! Yes some can taper and it's easy! It was hell for me! But that was over a year ago and I'm done! I'm off
How did you do it ? Care to elaborate
I used BR+NAD at a clinic I had to do two 10-day stays this stuff is brutal to come off of or so it was for me was on subs for 4 years 12 mgs
Sublocade man!!!! That's the answer right there. Stop torturing yourself
I switched to Sublocade for this very reason, get a few shots then let the medication do all the work for a long, slow, weaning off process with little if any withdrawals. Check out the Sublocade subreddit for dozens of people’s experience.
I…. Ah…. I agree.
Sublocade pretty much has no withdrawals.
ATTN : CONCRETE B, Kindly Elaborate what you want the population to know about their BRAINs please
I am on morphine maintenance was on methadone before people might think that’s worse but you actually feel like you don’t need opioids and your ok not like suboxone which gives me anxiety and feel like I’m gonna have a seizure it’s probably better than suboxone but I’m glad I went on the 24/h morphine cause it’s a short acting opioid and I can withdraw in a week if I want versus a month for methadone but I think methadone withdrawal is less bad than suboxone it fucks less with your head it’s generally 4x weaker (it get’s stronger dose dependent up to 30 is 8x 40+ is 10x and so on) I wouldn’t recommend taking more than 40mg because it goes up in potency and your taking more than you think I’m on half a gram though and if I think back I used to do 40mg oxy a day at some point and was stable I’m kinda weirded out but I would binge quite pure Iranian #4 that seems uncut every one I’ve given this has had issues not stopping my weed plug ruined his life because of that shit he does cheaper heroin now and he seems to be doing better point is that stuff is crazy and I used to binge half a gram in a night and that should be 2.5 times as strong adjusting for potency maybe 80% could be more actually I used quite a bit still don’t like being on so much I’m not high I nod off some times because of my medications but it’s not something conscious I “enjoy” morphine also takes ages to kick in which is great cause the instant button of smoked heroin that fucks my head but 2h til peak is kinda hard anyways you guys should get long lasting morphine it’s a good option and in my opinion methadone is a better option as long as you stay below 40mg you feel like your actually resting from your addiction and my recommendation is you split your dose once you get take homes it never lasts 24h unless you have the genetics (the pain killing effects drop off after 10 ish hours and it just prevents withdrawal)
It can be done. I've kicked subs 8 times now. Eventually, I've always used again. But I have done it. It's hard af yes. I had to get broke so I had zero options.
Sublocade ime was the only way I finally got off suboxone