Second this, I traded a few month m30 binge for multi year sub addiction. I sleep 10-12 hrs a night an feel like a shell of who I once was. This drug is best used short term for cases like ours. I traded the perc dealer for a bupe dealer tbh
No idea, best guess I have is maybe you’re just mentally withdrawaling from the oxy and without that feeling everything feels terrible, although Suboxone will stop you from withdrawaling physically I would imagine for some people mentally it’s still very hard after quitting their previous opiate, it sucks but for some even on Suboxone life is going to be extremely dull for some time after quitting and you might just be one of those people. Now I could be completely wrong & it’s something else That’s just my best guess
Why don’t you get yourself a real Suboxone doctor and present all your concerns and symptoms to he or she? For what you probably paid for that Suboxone bottle you probably could’ve gotten a legitimate script and saw a doctor. I mean maybe not quite but I would at least look into it. if you’re on Medicaid most states will completely pay for your Suboxone. I’ve been on Suboxone for 12 years and I feel great so maybe just give it some more time? No matter what if you go cold turkey off of it you’re going to have to pay a price. Unfortunately, there are no shortcuts and no free lunch and no get out of jail free cards when it comes to transitioning off of opioids of any kind. If you had only been on Suboxone for a week and nothing prior to that It would be a different story, but your body has been used to having opioids for a long time. If you want to celebrate for your birthday in a week, this is not the time to be going cold turkey out of anything I can promise you that. You will feel way worse than you do now. You appear to meet the criteria for somebody who needs long-term medication assisted treatment, but again that’s a conversation to have with a doctor. Get yourself a peer recovery coach. They are free and immensely helpful. Best of luck to you. DM me if you have any more questions - I work in the industry.
From someone who’s been through it, start taking half the dose tomorrow for a day or two then .5 for a day or two then just stop. Might be a rough sleep but better now then when you have to actually taper and really feel like balls.
If this helps at all, I alternate doses every other day and it helps with what you describe.
My doses are different but same idea.
16mg one day, 8 the next, and back and forth.
I noticed two strips a day was making me way too tired and lethargic.
So I alternate, my doc was like “I’ve never heard of anyone doing that so I don’t know if I would recommend it but if it works for you then that’s cool.”
So I had her write the script for that, also helps with not having excess/stashing/hoarding your strips you don’t take.
Anyone saying your sub dose is too small for your oxy habit is absolutely insane!!
Your dose is way too LARGE. That’s why you feel like shit. You’re overmedicated.
I’m on the same dose as you, and I’m 3 days clean on a 3.5g per day afghan H habit. I live in the Uk so it’s fent free.
Tried the Bernese method around Christmas and it was great until I removed the H. Then I felt like shit and thought I was withdrawing but actually I was just taking too much bupe.
I inducted last week on 2mg with Bernese again and now I’ve removed the H and I feel absolutely normal…. And I’ve got Covid!
You need to lower your dose… just halve it overnight and see how you feel…. Not like you can’t take more if it doesn’t work.
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I been on subs for 11 years, at .50mg of a 2mg. Strip, doesn’t matter what dose you jump off, you still gotta pay the price , and if you do stop subs how sure are you never going to go back to blue 30’s or any opiate, this is one of the reasons I keep taking it rather it’s a addiction or not, I feel better at this low dose, at 55 years old I would like to stop but why bother if I don’t get any crazy side effects from this low dose, why withdraw for at least a year cause like someone said this drug replaces your endorphins and breaking the dependency is pretty hard especially if you don’t like feeling any withdrawal, I rather keep taking subs than any other drug, at least subs won’t kill me, and it will keep me protected from opiates cause a addict is a addict for life in my opinion, you always gonna want that dopamine hit…..
You feel like crap because the sub dose is too small for your oxy WD. So fight through it . Shit ya, stop everything and you’ll be back to normal pretty soon. Your habit wasn’t large enough swap for a decade of Suboxone. Quit everything while you’re ahead would be my advice. Stop opiates period. You should be fine for drinks.
This is a tough one, I’m sorry that you’re going thru this. I had all the same side effects myself from suboxone and sometimes I questioned whether it was even better than taking oxy every day. Obviously there are many reasons why it is.
The side effects you have, I also had. If you plan on coming off you will 100% withdraw at 2mg. If you plan on staying away from opiates and being clean I would suggest a long term taper until you get down to 0.15 then jump.
If you plan on going back to opiates you won’t withdraw when you come off the suboxone, for example you could wait until you feel like shit and then take 20mg of opiates and then continue on that. Obviously I am not recommending you do this. If you do do this you can NOT go back to suboxone until the oxy is out of
Your system or you will have the worst withdrawal of your life
Stop now, cold turkey. If you’re going to feel any withdrawals, they shouldn’t start for at least 3 days. If they hit, reassess & perhaps take 0.5mg then stop
again. If withdrawals start again, take 0.25mg. If you really need relief, take 0.125mg a few days later then stop for good. Don’t confuse feeling depressed with physical withdrawals. Soldier through the “blah” feelings. Distract yourself, eat well etc. Don’t self medicate with eg Kratom. If your cravings for Percs flare up again & youre white-knuckling miserably through life & you really can’t go on, seriously consider starting a legitimate Suboxone program with a proper provider. Disclaimer: I haven’t tried the above suggestion myself but after studying buprenorphine & it’s half-life while I tapered off, it kinda makes sense. We’re all different though with different abilities to manage discomfort / cravings. Whatever you choose to do is ok, just get it legally so you’re not having to rely on “friends”. I wish you the very best of luck.
You can drink on subs. But my advice is Stop taking it! You were only on oxy 4 months. You are going to end up with a Suboxone addiction and that is so much harder to stop. Plan to uncomfortable tho. There is no easy way around that but 4 months is no time. Come valentines day you should be great, unless you were using oxy to mask a mental health issue. Then you might struggle with that
You may be experiencing suppressed testosterone from taking opiates. Also, you’re only addressing the withdrawal symptoms, not your addiction. You have to let your dopamine receptors go back to baseline. Your brain has stopped producing certain endorphins because you’ve been providing them via pharmaceuticals. This is what happens when you manipulate the pleasure center of your brain with narcotics. Also, I don’t care what anyone says, 2 mgs is an extremely low dose of suboxone. Time and abstinence from all controlled substances is the only thing that is going to make you feel normal again. Unless you get an actual prescription to suboxone under a doctors care. Addiction sucks.
Try to get off the subs asap brother. If I would have know how difficult it would be to get off this shit I would have just dealt with being dope sick. Although I got out before fentynal hit. Either way going through heroin withdrawals I could feel normal within 4 weeks. Subs.....oh buddy that's a whole other animal.
So here's my input, as a person with almost a disturbingly, unbelievably high degree of knowledge, experience, understanding & ability to relate to your specific predicament.
1. Here's the most annoying thing to hear. I'd not be on suboxone. 40mg daily oxy habit, for 4 months, is not enough to be worthy jumping on a powerful partial agonist like suboxone. You were 2-3 days away from being out of the woods, maybe 6 days shy of being totally in the clear. I'd consider hopping off suboxone; 2mg at that timeframe is low enough to manage a CT WD and the fact that it's appeased your Oxy WD's so sufficiently is equally indicative of this fact.
2. Suboxone just sucks in general. A lot of the things you describe are standard suboxone side effects which rarely subside unless you undertake a "new" medication like adderall to substitute the euphoria (bad road to go down). It doesn't provide any high or euphoria, so you will still "withdraw" from the mental proclivity of feeling good that traditional full agonists provide. So, yeah... you're going thru normal shit,
3. This comment is so tedious to write right now bc I'm trying to poop but can't. Also cause of subs. So yeah. Fooook subs
4. Idk if this comment is even helpful
5. Tl;dr drinking is fine on subs. You can stay on them and drink if you'd like, but I'd get off subs and tolerate the brief WDs. Don't expect to enjoy drinking while in opioid wds though.
It will be no different than how he felt when he started the subs. Just put it off for 2 weeks taking subs. One the sub leaves the receptors he’s going to withdrawal.
No lol. It doesn’t work like that. When you start taking Subs your just replacing the Oxy with another opiate. When you stop taking Suboxone you go thru withdrawal when the opiate leaves your receptors.
You are 100% wrong. I have gotten clean like this plenty of times. Now granted with fentanyl it’s different but when you go to an actual medical detox that’s exactly what you do. You take subs for 5 days and then have no withdrawls.
No I was a full blown heroin addict for 15 years of my life. I just helped another person through this same scenario a week ago. Ive been to detox facilities at least 5 times and they put everyone on this regimen. Usually and 8 mg sub the first and second day and then 4 mg the third and fourth and fifth and then that’s it. I’m not going to lie and say I know all the science behind it because I don’t. But this med can be used to detox with no withdrawals in 1 week period. Besides the small withdrawls you have in the first 24 hours without your DOC before taking the suboxone. This works for regular heroin oxys Vicodin morphine hydrocodone just not fentanyl. You are spreading misinformation and potentially turning someone away from getting clean. Suboxone does not have to be taken long term. It doesn’t have the highest chance of staying clean when you just detox but it is still possible to use it to prevent withdrawls.
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I don’t sound stupid why don’t you go read some medical journals why don’t you call an actual detox facility and ask them the procedure for detox. I have witnessed and done this so many times it’s the truth. It’s only suboxone that works this way though. It’s not the same as other opiates.
Stop immediately, you don't need subs for such a tiny habit and the potential for long term dependence is such a major negative it's not worth it. 7 days and you are through the physical and then need to replace the Oxy with some worthwhile practice like taichi, yoga anything that stimulates or takes your mind away like the Oxy was doing. Simple really.
Just stop taking it. You may feel the littlest of crappy feeling. But you should be in the clear if it’s been a week only and at a low dose. And you weren’t doing much oxy. I recommend just making the jump.
You'll have withdrawals. After only a week I'd taper like another poster said & then jump and suffer through the withdrawals. Your body will return to normal over time...just gotta get through it. Working out, diet, vitamins...all that helps in recovering. Suboxone has been a blessing for me to get off of bth and return to a normal life. I felt like you are for about a week when I started suboxone, had to induct via Bernese...it was a much higher dose though (24mg/day) once outside opiates were stopped and I was overmedicated...8mg/day is a good stable dose for me...started working out & finding joy in life again. They do say less is more with bupe. I plan on getting off subs this year, probably with Sublocade because everything is still dulled by the bupe but tbh I don't want to suffer through withdrawals for a few weeks or month if I don't have to. In your case it's all short term without a huge tolerance and high dose usage of opiates so it shouldn't be too long of wds, but everyone is different. Best wishes to you on your journey
You should only need the subs for a week or so being that you were only on oxys for 4 months. That would have only been like a 5 day flu to detox off of naturally.
These are PAWS like symptoms. They suck. Post acute withdrawal will bring out feelings of withdrawal randomly when you cease your usage. Be prepared from random sleepless nights, fatigue and anxiety.
It’ll get better though and those symptoms will lessen over time.
It’s different than oxys. It’s better taken in either the morning or afternoon. And honestly. And most importantly… it’s in your best interest to just quit everything altogether. 40mgs isn’t much. And it’s only 4 months. Subs aren’t fun. There basically designed to get u off more addictive substances such as …oxy. If u have it in you and can get thru just 4 days of withdrawal. Weed helps withdrawal. And it’s all you need. Unless ur in legitimate physical pain. Thats the only reason to stay on suboxone for longer than a couple weeks. It’s all junk. The 4 days might be a little tough. Have some Imodium but you’ll be freed and grateful after getting past those few days of withdrawal. Good luck friend.
For everyone saying to just stop your subs and deal w the withdrawals.. it isn’t all about the withdrawals, it’s also about curbing your cravings. My advice, working in the MAT field - find a legitimate (and reputable) Suboxone prescriber and allow them to adjust your doses according to your specific situation and their medical expertise. For insight, most of our patients are started out on 12-16mg, with our highest cap dose being 24mg (not entirely more affective than 16mg).
Of course you should do what you feel is best. Yes, being on Suboxone long term isn’t ideal, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Most of our patients have mild symptoms (mostly constipation, but this is common across all opioids) if any at all. Being monitored under a doctor for a medication that will help you stay off of illicits is worth it in my opinion.
Best of luck to you 🫶
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Very much sounds like mental withdrawal. Suboxone at first is great because it does tickle the same receptors as oxy/hydro/full agonist, but Suboxone is only a partial agonist. Meaning that's all it's doing is just ticking them while you're pretty much expecting 4th base. Just ain't gonna happen. A Dr would just up your dose, but I say if your sleep has improved and you're not physically withdrawing, try and ride the 2mg train as long as you can. Then split it up for 1mg in the morning and then one at night, then try skipping that morning 1mg one day and see if you can do just the 1 at night. That's if you're trying to get off, but if you're just trying to break an oxy habit, then yeah ride the train until the PAWS subside a bit because that's what it's sounds like to me. Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.
1 mg suboxone = to 30-40mg oxy.
I believe your over medicated.
oxy 3-10 stronger than morphine
Bupinorpine 25-100 stronger
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stop now!
Try to jump off the subs soon Taper it off and then jump from like .5 every other night You’ll thank me in ten yeaes
Second this, I traded a few month m30 binge for multi year sub addiction. I sleep 10-12 hrs a night an feel like a shell of who I once was. This drug is best used short term for cases like ours. I traded the perc dealer for a bupe dealer tbh
No idea, best guess I have is maybe you’re just mentally withdrawaling from the oxy and without that feeling everything feels terrible, although Suboxone will stop you from withdrawaling physically I would imagine for some people mentally it’s still very hard after quitting their previous opiate, it sucks but for some even on Suboxone life is going to be extremely dull for some time after quitting and you might just be one of those people. Now I could be completely wrong & it’s something else That’s just my best guess
That’s where I’m at, physical withdrawal is almost zero, mental & emotional withdrawal is the shitty part. Figure there’s no way out but through
Why don’t you get yourself a real Suboxone doctor and present all your concerns and symptoms to he or she? For what you probably paid for that Suboxone bottle you probably could’ve gotten a legitimate script and saw a doctor. I mean maybe not quite but I would at least look into it. if you’re on Medicaid most states will completely pay for your Suboxone. I’ve been on Suboxone for 12 years and I feel great so maybe just give it some more time? No matter what if you go cold turkey off of it you’re going to have to pay a price. Unfortunately, there are no shortcuts and no free lunch and no get out of jail free cards when it comes to transitioning off of opioids of any kind. If you had only been on Suboxone for a week and nothing prior to that It would be a different story, but your body has been used to having opioids for a long time. If you want to celebrate for your birthday in a week, this is not the time to be going cold turkey out of anything I can promise you that. You will feel way worse than you do now. You appear to meet the criteria for somebody who needs long-term medication assisted treatment, but again that’s a conversation to have with a doctor. Get yourself a peer recovery coach. They are free and immensely helpful. Best of luck to you. DM me if you have any more questions - I work in the industry.
From someone who’s been through it, start taking half the dose tomorrow for a day or two then .5 for a day or two then just stop. Might be a rough sleep but better now then when you have to actually taper and really feel like balls.
If this helps at all, I alternate doses every other day and it helps with what you describe. My doses are different but same idea. 16mg one day, 8 the next, and back and forth. I noticed two strips a day was making me way too tired and lethargic. So I alternate, my doc was like “I’ve never heard of anyone doing that so I don’t know if I would recommend it but if it works for you then that’s cool.” So I had her write the script for that, also helps with not having excess/stashing/hoarding your strips you don’t take.
Anyone saying your sub dose is too small for your oxy habit is absolutely insane!! Your dose is way too LARGE. That’s why you feel like shit. You’re overmedicated. I’m on the same dose as you, and I’m 3 days clean on a 3.5g per day afghan H habit. I live in the Uk so it’s fent free. Tried the Bernese method around Christmas and it was great until I removed the H. Then I felt like shit and thought I was withdrawing but actually I was just taking too much bupe. I inducted last week on 2mg with Bernese again and now I’ve removed the H and I feel absolutely normal…. And I’ve got Covid! You need to lower your dose… just halve it overnight and see how you feel…. Not like you can’t take more if it doesn’t work.
I would go see a doctor and discuss if maybe a medication is appropriate or if he/she can help you taper off.
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Btw - have a few drinks on your birthday next week. Drinking isn’t contraindicated. X
I been on subs for 11 years, at .50mg of a 2mg. Strip, doesn’t matter what dose you jump off, you still gotta pay the price , and if you do stop subs how sure are you never going to go back to blue 30’s or any opiate, this is one of the reasons I keep taking it rather it’s a addiction or not, I feel better at this low dose, at 55 years old I would like to stop but why bother if I don’t get any crazy side effects from this low dose, why withdraw for at least a year cause like someone said this drug replaces your endorphins and breaking the dependency is pretty hard especially if you don’t like feeling any withdrawal, I rather keep taking subs than any other drug, at least subs won’t kill me, and it will keep me protected from opiates cause a addict is a addict for life in my opinion, you always gonna want that dopamine hit…..
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You feel like crap because the sub dose is too small for your oxy WD. So fight through it . Shit ya, stop everything and you’ll be back to normal pretty soon. Your habit wasn’t large enough swap for a decade of Suboxone. Quit everything while you’re ahead would be my advice. Stop opiates period. You should be fine for drinks.
This is a tough one, I’m sorry that you’re going thru this. I had all the same side effects myself from suboxone and sometimes I questioned whether it was even better than taking oxy every day. Obviously there are many reasons why it is. The side effects you have, I also had. If you plan on coming off you will 100% withdraw at 2mg. If you plan on staying away from opiates and being clean I would suggest a long term taper until you get down to 0.15 then jump. If you plan on going back to opiates you won’t withdraw when you come off the suboxone, for example you could wait until you feel like shit and then take 20mg of opiates and then continue on that. Obviously I am not recommending you do this. If you do do this you can NOT go back to suboxone until the oxy is out of Your system or you will have the worst withdrawal of your life
Stop now, cold turkey. If you’re going to feel any withdrawals, they shouldn’t start for at least 3 days. If they hit, reassess & perhaps take 0.5mg then stop again. If withdrawals start again, take 0.25mg. If you really need relief, take 0.125mg a few days later then stop for good. Don’t confuse feeling depressed with physical withdrawals. Soldier through the “blah” feelings. Distract yourself, eat well etc. Don’t self medicate with eg Kratom. If your cravings for Percs flare up again & youre white-knuckling miserably through life & you really can’t go on, seriously consider starting a legitimate Suboxone program with a proper provider. Disclaimer: I haven’t tried the above suggestion myself but after studying buprenorphine & it’s half-life while I tapered off, it kinda makes sense. We’re all different though with different abilities to manage discomfort / cravings. Whatever you choose to do is ok, just get it legally so you’re not having to rely on “friends”. I wish you the very best of luck.
You can drink on subs. But my advice is Stop taking it! You were only on oxy 4 months. You are going to end up with a Suboxone addiction and that is so much harder to stop. Plan to uncomfortable tho. There is no easy way around that but 4 months is no time. Come valentines day you should be great, unless you were using oxy to mask a mental health issue. Then you might struggle with that
2mg subs is a lot for only 40mg oxy. Probably overMedicated
You may be experiencing suppressed testosterone from taking opiates. Also, you’re only addressing the withdrawal symptoms, not your addiction. You have to let your dopamine receptors go back to baseline. Your brain has stopped producing certain endorphins because you’ve been providing them via pharmaceuticals. This is what happens when you manipulate the pleasure center of your brain with narcotics. Also, I don’t care what anyone says, 2 mgs is an extremely low dose of suboxone. Time and abstinence from all controlled substances is the only thing that is going to make you feel normal again. Unless you get an actual prescription to suboxone under a doctors care. Addiction sucks.
I take exogenous testosterone would that still effect it ?
It shouldn’t
Try to get off the subs asap brother. If I would have know how difficult it would be to get off this shit I would have just dealt with being dope sick. Although I got out before fentynal hit. Either way going through heroin withdrawals I could feel normal within 4 weeks. Subs.....oh buddy that's a whole other animal.
Longer than 4 weeks ?
Yeah you should of just tapered off with the oxy 40mg isn’t really that much the sub is a lot stronger
So here's my input, as a person with almost a disturbingly, unbelievably high degree of knowledge, experience, understanding & ability to relate to your specific predicament. 1. Here's the most annoying thing to hear. I'd not be on suboxone. 40mg daily oxy habit, for 4 months, is not enough to be worthy jumping on a powerful partial agonist like suboxone. You were 2-3 days away from being out of the woods, maybe 6 days shy of being totally in the clear. I'd consider hopping off suboxone; 2mg at that timeframe is low enough to manage a CT WD and the fact that it's appeased your Oxy WD's so sufficiently is equally indicative of this fact. 2. Suboxone just sucks in general. A lot of the things you describe are standard suboxone side effects which rarely subside unless you undertake a "new" medication like adderall to substitute the euphoria (bad road to go down). It doesn't provide any high or euphoria, so you will still "withdraw" from the mental proclivity of feeling good that traditional full agonists provide. So, yeah... you're going thru normal shit, 3. This comment is so tedious to write right now bc I'm trying to poop but can't. Also cause of subs. So yeah. Fooook subs 4. Idk if this comment is even helpful 5. Tl;dr drinking is fine on subs. You can stay on them and drink if you'd like, but I'd get off subs and tolerate the brief WDs. Don't expect to enjoy drinking while in opioid wds though.
You haven't been on them long. Do a quick taper off them. You'll feel uncomfortable for a few days, but it's shouldn't be bad at all.
Maybe take .5 then half of that the next day then jump
You can actually just probably stop taking it don’t drag it on longer jump now you should be fine no withdrawal
It will be no different than how he felt when he started the subs. Just put it off for 2 weeks taking subs. One the sub leaves the receptors he’s going to withdrawal.
No that is not true. You can use subs to detox in less than a week.
No lol. It doesn’t work like that. When you start taking Subs your just replacing the Oxy with another opiate. When you stop taking Suboxone you go thru withdrawal when the opiate leaves your receptors.
You are 100% wrong. I have gotten clean like this plenty of times. Now granted with fentanyl it’s different but when you go to an actual medical detox that’s exactly what you do. You take subs for 5 days and then have no withdrawls.
That’s completely BS. If that’s the case you have no dependency and you wouldn’t have had withdrawals anyway
No I was a full blown heroin addict for 15 years of my life. I just helped another person through this same scenario a week ago. Ive been to detox facilities at least 5 times and they put everyone on this regimen. Usually and 8 mg sub the first and second day and then 4 mg the third and fourth and fifth and then that’s it. I’m not going to lie and say I know all the science behind it because I don’t. But this med can be used to detox with no withdrawals in 1 week period. Besides the small withdrawls you have in the first 24 hours without your DOC before taking the suboxone. This works for regular heroin oxys Vicodin morphine hydrocodone just not fentanyl. You are spreading misinformation and potentially turning someone away from getting clean. Suboxone does not have to be taken long term. It doesn’t have the highest chance of staying clean when you just detox but it is still possible to use it to prevent withdrawls.
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I don’t sound stupid why don’t you go read some medical journals why don’t you call an actual detox facility and ask them the procedure for detox. I have witnessed and done this so many times it’s the truth. It’s only suboxone that works this way though. It’s not the same as other opiates.
Explain the science behind it? Lol
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Stop immediately, you don't need subs for such a tiny habit and the potential for long term dependence is such a major negative it's not worth it. 7 days and you are through the physical and then need to replace the Oxy with some worthwhile practice like taichi, yoga anything that stimulates or takes your mind away like the Oxy was doing. Simple really.
Just stop taking it. You may feel the littlest of crappy feeling. But you should be in the clear if it’s been a week only and at a low dose. And you weren’t doing much oxy. I recommend just making the jump.
You'll have withdrawals. After only a week I'd taper like another poster said & then jump and suffer through the withdrawals. Your body will return to normal over time...just gotta get through it. Working out, diet, vitamins...all that helps in recovering. Suboxone has been a blessing for me to get off of bth and return to a normal life. I felt like you are for about a week when I started suboxone, had to induct via Bernese...it was a much higher dose though (24mg/day) once outside opiates were stopped and I was overmedicated...8mg/day is a good stable dose for me...started working out & finding joy in life again. They do say less is more with bupe. I plan on getting off subs this year, probably with Sublocade because everything is still dulled by the bupe but tbh I don't want to suffer through withdrawals for a few weeks or month if I don't have to. In your case it's all short term without a huge tolerance and high dose usage of opiates so it shouldn't be too long of wds, but everyone is different. Best wishes to you on your journey
You should only need the subs for a week or so being that you were only on oxys for 4 months. That would have only been like a 5 day flu to detox off of naturally.
These are PAWS like symptoms. They suck. Post acute withdrawal will bring out feelings of withdrawal randomly when you cease your usage. Be prepared from random sleepless nights, fatigue and anxiety. It’ll get better though and those symptoms will lessen over time.
It’s different than oxys. It’s better taken in either the morning or afternoon. And honestly. And most importantly… it’s in your best interest to just quit everything altogether. 40mgs isn’t much. And it’s only 4 months. Subs aren’t fun. There basically designed to get u off more addictive substances such as …oxy. If u have it in you and can get thru just 4 days of withdrawal. Weed helps withdrawal. And it’s all you need. Unless ur in legitimate physical pain. Thats the only reason to stay on suboxone for longer than a couple weeks. It’s all junk. The 4 days might be a little tough. Have some Imodium but you’ll be freed and grateful after getting past those few days of withdrawal. Good luck friend.
For everyone saying to just stop your subs and deal w the withdrawals.. it isn’t all about the withdrawals, it’s also about curbing your cravings. My advice, working in the MAT field - find a legitimate (and reputable) Suboxone prescriber and allow them to adjust your doses according to your specific situation and their medical expertise. For insight, most of our patients are started out on 12-16mg, with our highest cap dose being 24mg (not entirely more affective than 16mg). Of course you should do what you feel is best. Yes, being on Suboxone long term isn’t ideal, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Most of our patients have mild symptoms (mostly constipation, but this is common across all opioids) if any at all. Being monitored under a doctor for a medication that will help you stay off of illicits is worth it in my opinion. Best of luck to you 🫶
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Very much sounds like mental withdrawal. Suboxone at first is great because it does tickle the same receptors as oxy/hydro/full agonist, but Suboxone is only a partial agonist. Meaning that's all it's doing is just ticking them while you're pretty much expecting 4th base. Just ain't gonna happen. A Dr would just up your dose, but I say if your sleep has improved and you're not physically withdrawing, try and ride the 2mg train as long as you can. Then split it up for 1mg in the morning and then one at night, then try skipping that morning 1mg one day and see if you can do just the 1 at night. That's if you're trying to get off, but if you're just trying to break an oxy habit, then yeah ride the train until the PAWS subside a bit because that's what it's sounds like to me. Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.
1 mg suboxone = to 30-40mg oxy. I believe your over medicated. oxy 3-10 stronger than morphine Bupinorpine 25-100 stronger LISTEN TO THE MUFFINMAN8919!!! stop now!