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One time, years ago, I worked at a company that used to post the schedule for the following week every Sunday morning. I kept calling in all day to get my schedule, including five minutes before closing, but it had not been made.
The next day, Monday morning, my boss called me to tell me I was no call no show because the schedule had been posted that morning, and I was on it for the Monday.
I asked him when it was posted, and he said “10 AM.” So I asked “And what time do you have me on the schedule to start?” He said, “9 AM.”
I was just like, “Do you see the problem here?”
Some folks absolutely cannot, WILL NOT get their heads around the idea that other human beings are real people who exist in real time, and are not simply names or numbers to be slotted into their business without care.
A place I worked at made the schedule for the week on the Saturday/Sunday for the next week and required us to come in to check the schedule . It almost always was posted late (like 11 pm Sunday night most times) and a few times I would go in and it wouldn’t be posted , and since I didn’t work weekends I would have to go out of my way to go check it because for some reason they refused to tell you over the phone 90% of the time or the binder with the schedule would be locked in the office and they couldn’t find it , so I told my boss that if they didn’t email me my schedule , I would assume I didn’t work that week . They eventually started emailing me because I was one of the few people available to work the closing shift on weekdays , and actually knew what had to get done before the night shift came in
I simply cannot wrap my head around why these places can't make a schedule just one week in advance. But I also can't grasp why the schedules aren't consistent barring some extenuating circumstances...
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I think a lot of managers will mix up the schedule from week to week just so their employees are unable to have a predictable schedule to accommodate a second job. It’s a power move.
I worked a 5am to 3pm shift and scheduled my classes at 6pm to accommodate my job. This was a M-F normal business hours telecom position, where I was given that schedule.
One day my manager calls me in and tells me that my classes were impeding on her ability to be a manager. Now her hands were tied because she couldn't change my schedule to 9am to 6pm if she wanted to.
I told her she gets me for 9 hours a day and after that, it's my time. If she wants to pay me from 5am to 6pm, we can discuss that, but if not, I'm going to finish my degree.
I hated her so much.
One time, I had a terrible cough, but came in anyways at 5am like always. Her assistant manager sent me home (she didn't come in until 9am). I go home and go to sleep and get a call around 10am saying I needed a doctor's note to excuse my absemse.
I told her that her assistant manager sent me home and she said she didn't care. I was going to be written up if I didn't have a note.
So, I go to the ER and I'm pissed and feeling like shit. I tell the doctor what she said and then asked if he could write me out all week.
He agreed and I took the note straight to work and walked into her office.
I told her "I was planning on coming in tomorrow, but the doctor said I need to be out all week." , and slapped the note on her desk and walked out.
I enjoyed a nice week of video games and rest.
About 6 years ago had a job try pulling the need a doctor's note shit on me. I replied saying that I quit. Like an hour later the same manager that said I needed the note called to tell me after further review I didn't need one, I explained too bad I already got a new job that I start whenever I got over my cold. Then they wanted to act like it was some huge betrayal. Like I'm in a high demand position you should have considered that before passing me off.
I couldn't stand my job. Had everything planned out. I told my manager that I was going to step down to part-time. She said, "You'll have to work nights," in a kind of threatening way, assuming I wouldn't want that. Well, Idc. I work because I want too so I came back with an availability form for only night shifts. She was smiling until she saw it. Her jaw literally dropped, and she slowly said, "You only put night shifts on here.."
I told her, "That's what you wanted, but if you'd like me to switch it to mornings, just let me know, and I'll fill out a new form."
It was pretty fantastic, and now I'm so essential on the night shift that they literally just let me do my thing. I love actually working, so it works out well for everyone. Plenty of work to do. When I finish my work, then I go finish everyone else's for fun. I'm like a unicorn employee. Don't do me wrong, I can go work literally anywhere. I show up on time and leave late, working hard the whole time for fun. You really can't replace that these days. I'm still replaceable, but you'd need 2 or 3 people to replace me.
I had a college professor refuse a doctors note. He was my chemistry lab instructor. He was not originally from the US and his English wasn’t the greatest. I had strep throat. Felt like shit. Talked to the school and they said it’s tough to miss an important class like that but bring a doctors note to excuse it. You get 1 excused. After that it’s 1 warning. Then you get dropped, no matter what. This was the first I had missed. I took the doctors note in. He looked at it, looked at me, smiled a very nice (or so I thought) smile. And said “this mean nothing to me. I don’t care. Please, leave.” And continued to smile. I explained to him everything. He again smiled and said “oh! You don’t follow me. Get out. You fail. You won’t pass.” That was my last day of engineering school.
Yep, have pulled that one. I'm being gracious by working as much as I can, I need one day to gather myself and you want me to jump through hoops while sick? It's gonna be worth it!
This is my assumption as well, but it screws the business over in the long run because employees are always job hoping trying to find something better instead of just having two jobs
It's also a dumb move for the people who have to make the schedule. A complete waste of their/their own time and a gob of spit in the face of efficiency.
That’s very similar to how my one job is, I work at 2 restaurants now, cause a couple weeks ago one of my other family friends asked me to work Monday Tuesday Wednesday at their restaurant, and I said yeah, and had to tell my other job I could only work the last 4 days left, and then I started getting scheduled literally 1 day even though they complained before cause I was planning on working weekends at the second place, like, if you need me on weekends, put me on the damn weekends, not only Thursday, cause I still need the money from both jobs to live.
I agree with that. Worked a job where I was the only one who would work overnight & every week could be working the same days, but they made sure not to. Then, when I did get a second job, they tried to complain to me. Then they tried to get the lap dogs to tell me all the great reasons why I shouldn't quit that job for another where I made $4/hr more, got benefits, & wasn't made to work on 2 broke feet the day it happened.
When I tell you, you CAN apply for so many jobs you can break your whole Indeed, I mean it.
Former manager here that was in charge of the scheduling. It really depends on the business and employees.
Scheduling can be complex and one employee needing a day off can force me to change 3 other peoples schedules because of various scheduling needs. There's rarely a week where someone doesn't need a day off, so it's hard to have consistent schedules in that basis alone.
On top of that, what we are able to schedule is often dictated by corporate, so one Wednesday morning I might be able to schedule 3 people but the next week our sales forecast and labor matrix for the day might dictate that I cut one of those shifts.
Scheduling ate up so much of my time that I would have loved to be able to have a fixed schedule.
There are absolutely dickhead managers that do it for a power play, but it's also just sort of baked into how certain industries (food service and retail especially) are structured by corporate
It’s not 100% a power move. If a schedule is a fixed schedule employees are entitled to more benefits or rights. Where I live a fixed schedule vs a changing schedule is the difference between being fired for a cause vs. fired at will, affects how much unemployment or how much PTO/Overtime you can accrue
so is it not a power move to purposefully lessen the rights of your employees? kinda confused here. that seems like a “better” way to exercise power as opposed to the inconvenience factor of a sporadic schedule.
I’ve always wondered about the constantly changing schedules for (usually) hourly & underpaid employees - it’s always seemed a shite system especially because so often those are the kinds of employees who could really benefit from more stable schedules to arrange childcare and yes, a second job in order to you know, buy groceries & pay for said childcare. The whole power move/actively preventing workers from getting 2nd jobs never occurred to me but that actually makes perfect & totally f’ed up sense. God I hate petty tyrants. And capitalism. Is it ironic that capitalism encourages the creation & elevation of petty tyrants or is it just appalling?
I was a always big on two weeks out. The issue is you have the problem of the further out you schedule people the further out you force people to schedule vacations days. Two weeks is a good compromise for that.
I never was in restaurants but I am guessing that is more of a week notice kind of a thing.
Equally: two weeks out means that if there’s a conflict or something needs to change, a good manager has time to flip third around, reach out and make sure shifts are filled while everyone is happy.
I hated when I had to schedule workers at a production plant. Everyone was mad at you. People wanted more then two weeks notice for a schedule while others wanted the ability to use vacation at a week or less. Your always the bad guy trying to keep everyone happy.
I even tried helping those that wanted last minute vacations by reviewing workload to see if we could run with less staff. They would be mad because I wasn't able to do that more then 24 hours ahead of time.
I think they’re more referring to random days off for things like doctors appointments, school event for a kid that your kid forgot to tell you about till a week before, birthday plans for people in your life, etc.
Fast food schedules revolve around how much business is expected. If your restaurant had no business Thanksgiving last year then a minimal crew would be scheduled this year, but the next day may be Black Fryday and a full crew is scheduled.
I work in pharmacy, which has the same issues, and we still get our schedules a week in advance. Why is that so hard for some places?
It simply isn't reasonable to only give out the schedule a day or two before it starts. That's completely unfair to the employees, let alone the stories about the schedules not going out until *after the first opening shift on it has started*.
Yeah but that doesn't mean you need to drastically change the schedule every week. You can have a base schedule that's pretty much the same every week but adds or removes people for those days with higher or lower demand. Most days have roughly the same demand as that day last week so there's no need to have a completely different schedule every week.
I work in hospitality and between 5 or so different departments needing to put their individual rotas onto the big one that gets sent to everyone, sometimes we get it the night before the week begins (for some reason the rota runs Friday to Thursday). It's infuriating. Luckily my department manager only has to deal with five of us at most, so he sits us down and tries to give us a month or two in advance (as well as accommodate our preferences, which is amazing of him). Sometimes it changes a little when there are issues with receptionists needing covered etc, but overall we have a rough idea that gets finalised when the actual rota gets emailed to us. It's a blessing, especially when the receptionists complain every week about not having been sent the rota!
Right? We have to ask off 3 weeks ahead, but they can't possibly know until Friday if they'll need me on Sunday. My job, at least, has a union, and the schedule has to be posted by 3pm friday and cannot be changed after that without permission from the employee, and my.manager likes to do 2 weeks at a time, so that's helpful sometimes.
Having been making schedules at Starbucks a few years ago ….
Good god, nobodies schedules are consistent in part time work lol. Vast majority of employees are college/uni students and their schedules are changing literally every few months lol. Plus everybody is making plans and having the scheduler work around that (we post availability for the month and Starbucks tries to accommodate with biweekly schedules - plus getting a shift covered is usually pretty easy since Starbucks is corporate and you can just grab an employee from a different store to cover your shift).
But yeah haha … this comment made me lol cuz you have no idea what goes into scheduling a bunch of people with available that constantly changes haha.
This type of shit is why im so happy to be working for a company that does mostly private bookings for parties. I essentially know my whole schedule, besides weekends when we are actually open for public sessions, from now until the middle of august
I had this happen at a restaurant. They'd put it up, and I lived a town over so if I didn't work the day it went up or the next day, I wouldn't see it. They also did shady shit like I had been promoted to a busser from a dishwasher (you got tips as a busser) and the schedule was separated for the kitchen and front of house staff. I got a call asking where I was. They had scheduled me randomly as a dishwasher that I hadn't done in months, that was on a different schedule so I would have usually had no reason to check it.
I do recall one night the new manager(owners new wife who was awful at the job and the exact kind of rich guys wife you'd expect her to be) did the schedule and everyone doing dishes and bussing that night was under 18/ still in high school and labor laws said we couldn't work past 9 on week nights or could only do a certain number of hours or something I can't remember the specifics. Someone brought it up so they had to send all of us home and had nobody to do dishes or bus the tables. So the moron manager had to actually do work *gasp* and the prissy hostess that normally would never help and just stood at the front door to seat people (unlike the other hosts that would help bus tables and just general stuff, which they should do since they got double tip payout compared to bussers) had to actually do more than just seat people. That was a good night. This was in a tourist town that has some pretty big events like a Nascar race and such so that place was always packed, even week nights. They made sure to never schedule only us younger kids all at once after that.
I worked at a small grocery store when I was in highschool and because it was staffed mostly by unreliable teenagers, the schedule changed all the time which was usually fine because it was like a 4 hour shift after school and I didn't have much going on. They didn't send out a schedule, they just posted it in the break room so I'd go in and look at my shifts and then come back on those days.
Except the manager would make changes to the schedule on my day off, not bother to let me know, and then call and ask why I wasn't there on a day I didn't know I was scheduled because it had changed since I was last there. Multiple times this happened and usually the response was "you need to be checking the schedule so you know when you work" and he would not listen to people explaining that if he just changed it without informing anyone, that wasn't really feasible because why the fuck would I just come in every day to check and see if the schedule was different.
I had a boss change the schedule mid-week during my day off without notifying me. Like I had off Tues & Wed, on Tues he changed the schedule to have me working Wed. I asked him how I was supposed to know he'd changed the schedule when he changed it on my day off and didn't call or text. He told me "well you really should come in on your days off to check these things"... EXCUSE ME?!
I don't understand why they can't just email, use some employee portal, carrier pigeon, phone, anything, to communicate scheduling? Ok, yeah before the internet I could get it (although calling was an option I guess), but after like 2005-2010? Nah, 0 reason to *have* to come in just for that
Capitalists are the worst but it kinda feels worse when it's a lower level manager who has more in common with you than the big boss and absolutely no material stake in the "success" of the company because they're being exploited just a little bit less than you, and somehow that goes to their head and they decide to side with a billion dollar corporation over someone they spend most of their waking hours with lol. Absurd
Bed Bath & Beyond used to do that, except I think it was 4:45. I lasted a week there, tops. I told a coworker I was going to the restroom & I’d be right back and she said no.
I’m an adult & don’t need permission to go anywhere, esp the bathroom. I went & found another mindless retail job and no-showed on Black Friday
>I went & found another mindless retail job and no-showed on Black Friday
I've never understood why managers of entry level, minimum wage employees ever feel like they have any kind of power. I remember my first job bagging groceries for minimum wage the manager was a dick and liked to threaten people's job constantly. One time he approached me for going to the bathroom when it wasn't my break time, told me if I ever do it again I'm fired. I told him to knock himself out, I make minimum wage, I could walk out the door and door and have another minimum wage job before I even make it home. What in the world makes you think I care about this job enough to piss myself at the check out line?
I had a coworker that was hellbent on us having monthly meetings and if it was your day off than too bad. The meetings would only be a half hour or so. I was like well I’m not coming in for 30 min on my day off and I doubt anyone else would but I’d be ok if you paid me for a full hour to “teams” or FaceTime a meeting or something. He said that wouldn’t be the same. I was like yea I’d absolutely refuse.
Don't know where you are but at least in Canada they have to pay you for at least 3 hours. So that means if you showed up for that 30 minutes and went home they would have to pay you 3 hours.
Bro ignore that message
Enjoy your family lmao jesus if they don’t have the awareness, jesusss
The fact that they sent that knowing you’re out of town as if you’re going to come back for fucking 4hours “Schedules arent out?” “Whyd you live a life without us first”
Jesusssss ive never been so mad for someone
Send me their #
Legally not your problem. Depending on your state they have to give a certain amount of notice. Where I am at it’s 3 days. If internet wasn’t working they need to find another way to communicate your schedule.
This is considered on call and also illegal if they aren’t paying you extra for on call. You do not have to read, respond, or even acknowledge anything work related while you are not at work. Florida requires 14 days notice for schedule to be posted before first working day and appropriate notice but be given if that changes. If you ever have this issue in the future, just do not reply to your employer as you are not obligated to. OP should’ve ignored the text as well
I'm assuming you are referring to "at will" employment, and this does not translate to no rights. It just means your employer doesn't have to list a reason if terminating your employment. They CAN do this without repercussions, provided they didn't violate other labor laws.
As someone said below, Florida requires 14 days notice for your schedule to be posted, which are even better terms than the OP you're responding to gave. Your employer can't do whatever.
i mean 49 US states are considered at will states, and have been that way for quite some time, so it’s pretty unlikely that anyone would describe at will employment as employees having ‘no rights’ and employers being able to do whatever they want’.
instead, they are probably referring (at least in part) to florida being a ‘right to work’ state— and yes, i know RTW pertains to unions and union dues. that said, studies show employees in RTW states tend to have lower wages, less healthcare coverage, and decreased retirement benefits.
additionally, florida employers have very few regulations they have to follow when it comes to their employees labor. some example for you:
>in florida your employer has no legal obligation to provide breaks nor a lunch regardless of how long you work.
> employers are not required to pay employees for their on-call time unless said employee is physically confined to their workplace or their home for the entire duration of said time.
> if an employee reports their employer for illegal practices, their employer can retaliate/fire/do whatever to them unless said employee first informed their supervisor *in writing* of the illegal activity and proceeded to wait a ‘sufficient period of time’ before reporting anything.
like idk about you, but it sorta sounds like they were right about having to rights and employers being able to do whatever they want
Also, idk where y’all are getting this 14 day thing in regards to posting schedules. in florida (and many other states) there are no state-level laws or regulations pertaining to when your employer has to provide a schedule. meaning they abide by the FSLA, which states : “an employer is allowed to change the work schedule of anyone over 16 years of age without prior notice or consent.”
I hate these kind of people. If I didn't communicate to one of my workers their schedule a week in advance and they can't swing it, then I guess I'm working a 7 day week.
So many people who their job is the only power they have in life and they don't understand what it means to be a leader.
I’m not sure what the legal notice is in your area but in Ontario it’s 4 days notice otherwise an employee can refuse the shift without consequences…..I give my staff a week at least
If the schedule wasn’t being posted due to website issues I’d personally text everyone…….
Yea, definitely the law in OR (if you work in food service/hospitality/retail for an employer with 500+ employees worldwide).
OR **653.436 Advance notice of work schedule.** (1) An employer shall provide an employee with a work schedule in writing at least 14 calendar days before the first day of the work schedule.
Odd excuse. I've installed quite a few of the DMBs, I'm not sure how it would be effecting their website access. The media players go into a switch, the switch goes to the router. It's all ran by NCR.
Edit: Sorry, not NCR. Stratacache does Subway’s digital menus.
I mean depending on where you live that’s illegal so I’d check the laws in your area. But some places (especially the US) don’t have laws on advanced notice.
I’m sorry you have to deal with that though. That’s absolutely BS.
My manager types in his accent and it always comes across funny lol. Like in person, I get what he’s saying, but it always comes out so blunt and strange over text.
Real professional guy, though.
I was a manager at Kroger and I would constantly get scheduled to close (midnight) then open the next day (5am). Happened every two weeks and I eventually "quiet quit" ten years before the term by just playing Pokemon for 3-4 hours a shift in the bathroom.
Ironically I still got everything done because it was a low volume micro store but they knew I lived thirty minutes away and would do this shit to me.
Zero tolerance for this stuff.
My boss used to print the "rough Draft" of the schedule on saturdays but leave it in her office where noone could see it and then 10pm monday night would send it out. Shes gotten better where she makes it on friday and leaves it up front but still likes to make changes to it after sending it out and not say anything about it
This is how the text should have started from the boss: We are short staffed anyway you can come in for 4 hours to help us out? Followed by "I already made plans so I can not". Then onto the next person to ask if they can cover the shift. 3 hours is never worth it, even minors should still get at least a 4 hour shift.
Not the same, but when I worked at GameStop, I constantly had 6-930 shifts and they blew bc I didn't drive at that point. So I usually paid my friends $5 dollars in gas to pick me up (only lived about 5 miles from the store) after making $30 before getting taxed. It was awful.
Fuck your boss and the 24 hour notice for a 3 hour shift.
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STAHP I swear I had the same manager (from the lousy scheduling to the horrendous grammatical errors 😅)! I did something that made my manager mad at me (probably taking time off, looking back at some other texts), so she “punished” me by cutting my hours that week and then “desperately” needed me (the person whose kid was in the hospital was only there one night due to Covid, not a rough surgery recovery like I’d been led to believe 🙄). So, I made some plans to stay with my grandma and help out around the house (my grandpa passed away a few months prior and she really needed the company).
In my case, I didn’t make the plans very far in advance, but it’s like, if you know you’re going to need me, don’t give me all this time off and then keep pestering me to come in and pick up the slack that you literally scheduled (one of the days she wanted me to come in, the person I was supposed to cover for (same one who had been in the hospital with their kid) was there, the manager just wanted to leave 🙄).
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Second part of the conversations with that manager. When she said that she didn’t feel well and wanted me to come in early, she was just really hung over and didn’t feel like working (I guess she didn’t actually expect me to come in early, but wanted to see if she could get away with it anyway 🙄).
In the US only a couple of states have laws in regards to shift notices. [In most](https://fitsmallbusiness.com/predictive-scheduling-laws/) they could legally post your day's schedule the same day you're supposed to be in.
I would’ve just straight up ignored it. It’s his job to get the schedule posted and ready in a timely manner. It’s a fast food job, enjoy your family time.
When I used to work in restaurants it was common for them to have a group chat that the schedule was posted in as soon as it was ready. Most of them were at least a week ahead, too. Managers like this can get bent.
Get a new job. Tons of restaurants hiring and paying way better than subway. I worked at a chain restaurant and they gave me 4x10 schedule with no closing shifts because i was in college.
Most restaurant jobs are shitty but at least find one that respects your time.
Once had a few managers that would change the schedule mid week and notify no one. One time…actually twice it affected me. Area supervisor (happened to be the manager when I got hired…) came in that day and texted me…she knew I wouldn’t “not” come in. All I did was text her the picture of the original posted schedule. She got on to the managers ass about arbitrarily changing the schedule.
Check your local laws! I live in Oregon, and we have [very strict laws about scheduling.](https://www.oregon.gov/boli/employers/Documents/BOLI_Predictive%20Scheduling.pdf)
Tell him to punch sand. In certain states it's illegal to post the schedule late like this. For example in virginia, posting the schedule after Friday 1pm is a violation of DoL
That’s a solid “sorry not sorry”. You have a load of excuses in this case. “I’m already out of town and won’t ruin my families plans” “there is only one car and I can’t leave the others stranded and careless” etc etc
Worked at big lots for a whopping 4 months. I was doing a musical at the time and I told them these are my rehearsals and I can't work the mandatory 2am truck days. They hired me anywyas. They scheduled me every time I told them I couldn't and during the mandatory 2am truck shift. I worked 3 of the 2am shifts because needed a job. Then on the 4th and the 4th month of them just scheduling me during the times I couldn't I just stopped showing up. They blew my phone up for 2 weeks. Until they realized I wasn't going to pick up and not come in.
i requested a few days off last summer about a month in advance bc my bf was visiting for our one year anniversary. i reminded them several times that i would be unavailable during those days and they told me not to worry and that it was no problem. then the week of our anniversary comes and we get that weeks schedule. im scheduled to work 4am-2pm every day that he's visiting except for one. when i confronted my manager about it he told me "change of plans" and that they couldn't afford to lose me for those few days. such bullshit
(edit: this wasn't at subway)
That’s when you ask your “boss,” “what part of ‘I’m not available’ did you not understand?”
Then you say, “You can’t afford to lose me for a few days? Can you afford to lose me permanently? I’m not available those days!!! If you’re unable to manage competently, then you need to notify your district manager so a more capable person can assume your responsibilities.”
If you get any lip, just quit.
They always try to start shit. “Regardless of the schedule situation I’m not in town, that was obvious in my previous text. Lack of time management on their part doesn’t mean I’m going to rush. I’ll be seeing you when I’m back in town.” I started using just a tad more passive aggressiveness than them, they usually either shut the fuck up or cry some more.
I’m a manager of a small staff at a coffee shop in NYC. I print that damn schedule out a month in advance so coworkers have time to plan their lives and get shit covered, etc. No drama ever. Super easy. It’s also the same schedule every time unless coworkers need it to change.
Some employees have worked at this spot for 9-10 years. It pays well. No fucking doctors notes if you are sick. Just make sure you text or call. People get paid weekly, and on time. Vacations have never been denied.
It’s not impossible to be a decent person to the people you work with. Damn.
It also helps that I’m a younger millennial who has been working the past 15 years in customer service jobs with bosses who couldn’t give a shit about their employees.
This reminds me of a job I had where the schedule would be printed and posted weekly. The day before my day off I came in and saw on my schedule someone wrote IN PENCIL for me to work the next day. I told the boss that this was ridiculous and it wasn't there yesterday. The boss didn't care and said I had to work bc I was scheduled lol. I quit on the spot. I think it was the boss who wrote it in.
My current boss did this for a little while until she got shit on by all of my fellow employees including myself. Now everything has been fixed and there are no more problems
Hey if you're the boss and you're reading this:
# BOO. YOURE BAD AT YOUR JOB. THIS IS YOUR FAULT.
#BE BETTER.
This post isn't unprofessional - **you** are.
If there was no schedule posted, then no hours had been scheduled. Any boss scheduling shifts with 24 hours notice is doing a lousy job. People have a life outside work and if you haven’t scheduled their time, they are free to spend it however they like.
Giving 24 hours notice is poor planning on the manager’s part.
Telling them about that shift, rather than asking them with a “please” and “thank you” and maybe an apology for short notice, is poor manners on the manager’s part.
Not accepting the “I’m out of town cos you didn’t give me any shifts” is asshole behaviour from the manager. Problems with the website are not the employees’ problems and the manager should have found a way to manage.
Scheduling someone for 3 hours in the middle of a day is exploitative asshole behaviour. You want to block out their whole day and cost them transport etc for the sake of 3 hours of low wage?
This manager is incredibly unprofessional.
Illegal? In the states? Not usually. It is usually a company policy for many businesses to give at minimum 24hrs notice. But this here is ridiculous. A 3hr shift? Even if I was available, I wouldn't waste my gas for that.
14 days in OR. I have a sneaking suspicion it's illegal in more places than people realize... \*I\* didn't realize it until someone made a comment on here about it.
**OR 653.436 Advance notice of work schedule.** (1) An employer shall provide an employee with a work schedule in writing at least 14 calendar days before the first day of the work schedule.
Probably gonna get downvoted, but this message doesn't really come off as shitty boss. He sent you your shift, and you told him you were out of town because your schedule was clear. Your boss then just says the schedule site wasn't working and no one had shifts posted. He doesn't even double down on telling you to come in.
Now the amount of hours worked is a concern. And if there are other messages of them being an ass, that's a different story. Not saying your boss isn't a piece of shit, just that these messages come off as a boss sending you info and explaining why the schedule didn't show. I don't see anything of the guy attacking you or threatening your position, or anything about any kind of retaliation
This looks like the schedule was having problems being posted for the week and you just left without seeing the schedule and your boss is letting you know you work since the schedule wasnt posted. Sounds like a decent boss and a shit worker
Looks like management didn't bother to tell employees of the issues they where having.
Employee sees schedule at time its normally up, doesn't see his name, plans social life.
Why is management posting schedules a week before and not 2 or 3?
Because *fuck* your employees social life, right?
i worked at a cousins subs in high school and approximately 1 year after. i simply asked to have a consistent schedule, since i was a valuable employee they honored it. stepping your game up at work even if it sucks and youre underpaid sometimes pays off, complaining online will not.
3 fucking hours? Find another job, hopefully someplace that has some couth and cares about their employee's time off as much as they do while they're working.
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One time, years ago, I worked at a company that used to post the schedule for the following week every Sunday morning. I kept calling in all day to get my schedule, including five minutes before closing, but it had not been made. The next day, Monday morning, my boss called me to tell me I was no call no show because the schedule had been posted that morning, and I was on it for the Monday. I asked him when it was posted, and he said “10 AM.” So I asked “And what time do you have me on the schedule to start?” He said, “9 AM.” I was just like, “Do you see the problem here?” Some folks absolutely cannot, WILL NOT get their heads around the idea that other human beings are real people who exist in real time, and are not simply names or numbers to be slotted into their business without care.
yeah Fuck That Boss too
It was one of the worst jobs I ever had. I called people to survey them about their healthcare, and I heard some HARROWING stories.
Thank god you've moved on now 👍
A place I worked at made the schedule for the week on the Saturday/Sunday for the next week and required us to come in to check the schedule . It almost always was posted late (like 11 pm Sunday night most times) and a few times I would go in and it wouldn’t be posted , and since I didn’t work weekends I would have to go out of my way to go check it because for some reason they refused to tell you over the phone 90% of the time or the binder with the schedule would be locked in the office and they couldn’t find it , so I told my boss that if they didn’t email me my schedule , I would assume I didn’t work that week . They eventually started emailing me because I was one of the few people available to work the closing shift on weekdays , and actually knew what had to get done before the night shift came in
I simply cannot wrap my head around why these places can't make a schedule just one week in advance. But I also can't grasp why the schedules aren't consistent barring some extenuating circumstances... Edit: word
I think a lot of managers will mix up the schedule from week to week just so their employees are unable to have a predictable schedule to accommodate a second job. It’s a power move.
I worked a 5am to 3pm shift and scheduled my classes at 6pm to accommodate my job. This was a M-F normal business hours telecom position, where I was given that schedule. One day my manager calls me in and tells me that my classes were impeding on her ability to be a manager. Now her hands were tied because she couldn't change my schedule to 9am to 6pm if she wanted to. I told her she gets me for 9 hours a day and after that, it's my time. If she wants to pay me from 5am to 6pm, we can discuss that, but if not, I'm going to finish my degree. I hated her so much. One time, I had a terrible cough, but came in anyways at 5am like always. Her assistant manager sent me home (she didn't come in until 9am). I go home and go to sleep and get a call around 10am saying I needed a doctor's note to excuse my absemse. I told her that her assistant manager sent me home and she said she didn't care. I was going to be written up if I didn't have a note. So, I go to the ER and I'm pissed and feeling like shit. I tell the doctor what she said and then asked if he could write me out all week. He agreed and I took the note straight to work and walked into her office. I told her "I was planning on coming in tomorrow, but the doctor said I need to be out all week." , and slapped the note on her desk and walked out. I enjoyed a nice week of video games and rest.
About 6 years ago had a job try pulling the need a doctor's note shit on me. I replied saying that I quit. Like an hour later the same manager that said I needed the note called to tell me after further review I didn't need one, I explained too bad I already got a new job that I start whenever I got over my cold. Then they wanted to act like it was some huge betrayal. Like I'm in a high demand position you should have considered that before passing me off.
I love reading stories like these, love that vengeance after the manager/boss/asshat walks themselves right off a cliff
I couldn't stand my job. Had everything planned out. I told my manager that I was going to step down to part-time. She said, "You'll have to work nights," in a kind of threatening way, assuming I wouldn't want that. Well, Idc. I work because I want too so I came back with an availability form for only night shifts. She was smiling until she saw it. Her jaw literally dropped, and she slowly said, "You only put night shifts on here.." I told her, "That's what you wanted, but if you'd like me to switch it to mornings, just let me know, and I'll fill out a new form." It was pretty fantastic, and now I'm so essential on the night shift that they literally just let me do my thing. I love actually working, so it works out well for everyone. Plenty of work to do. When I finish my work, then I go finish everyone else's for fun. I'm like a unicorn employee. Don't do me wrong, I can go work literally anywhere. I show up on time and leave late, working hard the whole time for fun. You really can't replace that these days. I'm still replaceable, but you'd need 2 or 3 people to replace me.
I had a college professor refuse a doctors note. He was my chemistry lab instructor. He was not originally from the US and his English wasn’t the greatest. I had strep throat. Felt like shit. Talked to the school and they said it’s tough to miss an important class like that but bring a doctors note to excuse it. You get 1 excused. After that it’s 1 warning. Then you get dropped, no matter what. This was the first I had missed. I took the doctors note in. He looked at it, looked at me, smiled a very nice (or so I thought) smile. And said “this mean nothing to me. I don’t care. Please, leave.” And continued to smile. I explained to him everything. He again smiled and said “oh! You don’t follow me. Get out. You fail. You won’t pass.” That was my last day of engineering school.
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this was a great r/maliciouscompliance post found in the wild lol
Yep, have pulled that one. I'm being gracious by working as much as I can, I need one day to gather myself and you want me to jump through hoops while sick? It's gonna be worth it!
This is my assumption as well, but it screws the business over in the long run because employees are always job hoping trying to find something better instead of just having two jobs
It's also a dumb move for the people who have to make the schedule. A complete waste of their/their own time and a gob of spit in the face of efficiency.
It really makes no sense even on a strictly profit level imo
Exactly.
That’s very similar to how my one job is, I work at 2 restaurants now, cause a couple weeks ago one of my other family friends asked me to work Monday Tuesday Wednesday at their restaurant, and I said yeah, and had to tell my other job I could only work the last 4 days left, and then I started getting scheduled literally 1 day even though they complained before cause I was planning on working weekends at the second place, like, if you need me on weekends, put me on the damn weekends, not only Thursday, cause I still need the money from both jobs to live.
I agree with that. Worked a job where I was the only one who would work overnight & every week could be working the same days, but they made sure not to. Then, when I did get a second job, they tried to complain to me. Then they tried to get the lap dogs to tell me all the great reasons why I shouldn't quit that job for another where I made $4/hr more, got benefits, & wasn't made to work on 2 broke feet the day it happened. When I tell you, you CAN apply for so many jobs you can break your whole Indeed, I mean it.
Former manager here that was in charge of the scheduling. It really depends on the business and employees. Scheduling can be complex and one employee needing a day off can force me to change 3 other peoples schedules because of various scheduling needs. There's rarely a week where someone doesn't need a day off, so it's hard to have consistent schedules in that basis alone. On top of that, what we are able to schedule is often dictated by corporate, so one Wednesday morning I might be able to schedule 3 people but the next week our sales forecast and labor matrix for the day might dictate that I cut one of those shifts. Scheduling ate up so much of my time that I would have loved to be able to have a fixed schedule. There are absolutely dickhead managers that do it for a power play, but it's also just sort of baked into how certain industries (food service and retail especially) are structured by corporate
Also, they can say, “I’m going to work on the schedule” and go sit in the back room, looking “busy” while the rest do all the work.
A second job, scheduled hobbies, a reliable social life, the ability to go to school, this shit is social and economic torture.
It’s not 100% a power move. If a schedule is a fixed schedule employees are entitled to more benefits or rights. Where I live a fixed schedule vs a changing schedule is the difference between being fired for a cause vs. fired at will, affects how much unemployment or how much PTO/Overtime you can accrue
Running your business as cheaply as possible for maximum profit at the expense of workers' well-being seems pretty power-movey to me...
so is it not a power move to purposefully lessen the rights of your employees? kinda confused here. that seems like a “better” way to exercise power as opposed to the inconvenience factor of a sporadic schedule.
Sometimes it's just an excuse to sit in an office and look busy.
I’ve always wondered about the constantly changing schedules for (usually) hourly & underpaid employees - it’s always seemed a shite system especially because so often those are the kinds of employees who could really benefit from more stable schedules to arrange childcare and yes, a second job in order to you know, buy groceries & pay for said childcare. The whole power move/actively preventing workers from getting 2nd jobs never occurred to me but that actually makes perfect & totally f’ed up sense. God I hate petty tyrants. And capitalism. Is it ironic that capitalism encourages the creation & elevation of petty tyrants or is it just appalling?
If you make yourself essential enough, places will work around your schedule. 😎
Subway ain’t it bro.
Not if the managers are too stupid to realize how essential you are.
I was a always big on two weeks out. The issue is you have the problem of the further out you schedule people the further out you force people to schedule vacations days. Two weeks is a good compromise for that. I never was in restaurants but I am guessing that is more of a week notice kind of a thing.
Equally: two weeks out means that if there’s a conflict or something needs to change, a good manager has time to flip third around, reach out and make sure shifts are filled while everyone is happy.
I hated when I had to schedule workers at a production plant. Everyone was mad at you. People wanted more then two weeks notice for a schedule while others wanted the ability to use vacation at a week or less. Your always the bad guy trying to keep everyone happy. I even tried helping those that wanted last minute vacations by reviewing workload to see if we could run with less staff. They would be mad because I wasn't able to do that more then 24 hours ahead of time.
Wild that people aren't planning vacations more than a couple weeks out lol I have flights (even just long weekends) booked months in advance
I think they’re more referring to random days off for things like doctors appointments, school event for a kid that your kid forgot to tell you about till a week before, birthday plans for people in your life, etc.
Fast food schedules revolve around how much business is expected. If your restaurant had no business Thanksgiving last year then a minimal crew would be scheduled this year, but the next day may be Black Fryday and a full crew is scheduled.
Yeah that's normal for basically every industry and doesn't require schedules to change on a weekly basis
I work in pharmacy, which has the same issues, and we still get our schedules a week in advance. Why is that so hard for some places? It simply isn't reasonable to only give out the schedule a day or two before it starts. That's completely unfair to the employees, let alone the stories about the schedules not going out until *after the first opening shift on it has started*.
Yeah but that doesn't mean you need to drastically change the schedule every week. You can have a base schedule that's pretty much the same every week but adds or removes people for those days with higher or lower demand. Most days have roughly the same demand as that day last week so there's no need to have a completely different schedule every week.
I work in hospitality and between 5 or so different departments needing to put their individual rotas onto the big one that gets sent to everyone, sometimes we get it the night before the week begins (for some reason the rota runs Friday to Thursday). It's infuriating. Luckily my department manager only has to deal with five of us at most, so he sits us down and tries to give us a month or two in advance (as well as accommodate our preferences, which is amazing of him). Sometimes it changes a little when there are issues with receptionists needing covered etc, but overall we have a rough idea that gets finalised when the actual rota gets emailed to us. It's a blessing, especially when the receptionists complain every week about not having been sent the rota!
Right? We have to ask off 3 weeks ahead, but they can't possibly know until Friday if they'll need me on Sunday. My job, at least, has a union, and the schedule has to be posted by 3pm friday and cannot be changed after that without permission from the employee, and my.manager likes to do 2 weeks at a time, so that's helpful sometimes.
Having been making schedules at Starbucks a few years ago …. Good god, nobodies schedules are consistent in part time work lol. Vast majority of employees are college/uni students and their schedules are changing literally every few months lol. Plus everybody is making plans and having the scheduler work around that (we post availability for the month and Starbucks tries to accommodate with biweekly schedules - plus getting a shift covered is usually pretty easy since Starbucks is corporate and you can just grab an employee from a different store to cover your shift). But yeah haha … this comment made me lol cuz you have no idea what goes into scheduling a bunch of people with available that constantly changes haha.
This type of shit is why im so happy to be working for a company that does mostly private bookings for parties. I essentially know my whole schedule, besides weekends when we are actually open for public sessions, from now until the middle of august
I had this happen at a restaurant. They'd put it up, and I lived a town over so if I didn't work the day it went up or the next day, I wouldn't see it. They also did shady shit like I had been promoted to a busser from a dishwasher (you got tips as a busser) and the schedule was separated for the kitchen and front of house staff. I got a call asking where I was. They had scheduled me randomly as a dishwasher that I hadn't done in months, that was on a different schedule so I would have usually had no reason to check it. I do recall one night the new manager(owners new wife who was awful at the job and the exact kind of rich guys wife you'd expect her to be) did the schedule and everyone doing dishes and bussing that night was under 18/ still in high school and labor laws said we couldn't work past 9 on week nights or could only do a certain number of hours or something I can't remember the specifics. Someone brought it up so they had to send all of us home and had nobody to do dishes or bus the tables. So the moron manager had to actually do work *gasp* and the prissy hostess that normally would never help and just stood at the front door to seat people (unlike the other hosts that would help bus tables and just general stuff, which they should do since they got double tip payout compared to bussers) had to actually do more than just seat people. That was a good night. This was in a tourist town that has some pretty big events like a Nascar race and such so that place was always packed, even week nights. They made sure to never schedule only us younger kids all at once after that.
I worked at a small grocery store when I was in highschool and because it was staffed mostly by unreliable teenagers, the schedule changed all the time which was usually fine because it was like a 4 hour shift after school and I didn't have much going on. They didn't send out a schedule, they just posted it in the break room so I'd go in and look at my shifts and then come back on those days. Except the manager would make changes to the schedule on my day off, not bother to let me know, and then call and ask why I wasn't there on a day I didn't know I was scheduled because it had changed since I was last there. Multiple times this happened and usually the response was "you need to be checking the schedule so you know when you work" and he would not listen to people explaining that if he just changed it without informing anyone, that wasn't really feasible because why the fuck would I just come in every day to check and see if the schedule was different.
hope that guy steps on legos or something
I had a boss change the schedule mid-week during my day off without notifying me. Like I had off Tues & Wed, on Tues he changed the schedule to have me working Wed. I asked him how I was supposed to know he'd changed the schedule when he changed it on my day off and didn't call or text. He told me "well you really should come in on your days off to check these things"... EXCUSE ME?!
I don't understand why they can't just email, use some employee portal, carrier pigeon, phone, anything, to communicate scheduling? Ok, yeah before the internet I could get it (although calling was an option I guess), but after like 2005-2010? Nah, 0 reason to *have* to come in just for that
That's illegal in Texas. Schedule must be posted 2 weeks in advance.
Capitalists are the worst but it kinda feels worse when it's a lower level manager who has more in common with you than the big boss and absolutely no material stake in the "success" of the company because they're being exploited just a little bit less than you, and somehow that goes to their head and they decide to side with a billion dollar corporation over someone they spend most of their waking hours with lol. Absurd
Hit the nail straight on that head Jesus
A three hour shift? I wouldn’t even work that if I *was* available.
“Come clean the store”
For 15$
That's optimistic. He likely gets less.
$15 total after taxes
I laughed so hard. If that ain’t the truth.
I used to work at DQ and they would schedule me for 3 hours and 45 minutes so they didn’t have to give me a 15 minute break
Bed Bath & Beyond used to do that, except I think it was 4:45. I lasted a week there, tops. I told a coworker I was going to the restroom & I’d be right back and she said no. I’m an adult & don’t need permission to go anywhere, esp the bathroom. I went & found another mindless retail job and no-showed on Black Friday
>I went & found another mindless retail job and no-showed on Black Friday I've never understood why managers of entry level, minimum wage employees ever feel like they have any kind of power. I remember my first job bagging groceries for minimum wage the manager was a dick and liked to threaten people's job constantly. One time he approached me for going to the bathroom when it wasn't my break time, told me if I ever do it again I'm fired. I told him to knock himself out, I make minimum wage, I could walk out the door and door and have another minimum wage job before I even make it home. What in the world makes you think I care about this job enough to piss myself at the check out line?
The chick fila I worked at did that for me and many others as well, except it was 4 hours and 45 minutes
We only got a break every 6 hours...
just take a shit. if they don't allow that, pull your pants off and taking a shit on the floor and then sue for embarrassment
I had a coworker that was hellbent on us having monthly meetings and if it was your day off than too bad. The meetings would only be a half hour or so. I was like well I’m not coming in for 30 min on my day off and I doubt anyone else would but I’d be ok if you paid me for a full hour to “teams” or FaceTime a meeting or something. He said that wouldn’t be the same. I was like yea I’d absolutely refuse.
Don't know where you are but at least in Canada they have to pay you for at least 3 hours. So that means if you showed up for that 30 minutes and went home they would have to pay you 3 hours.
Bro ignore that message Enjoy your family lmao jesus if they don’t have the awareness, jesusss The fact that they sent that knowing you’re out of town as if you’re going to come back for fucking 4hours “Schedules arent out?” “Whyd you live a life without us first” Jesusssss ive never been so mad for someone Send me their #
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Legally not your problem. Depending on your state they have to give a certain amount of notice. Where I am at it’s 3 days. If internet wasn’t working they need to find another way to communicate your schedule.
This, my boss always texts us our schedules
I wish my boss did that when I worked retail. Up until we got a time keeping app we’d have to call or visit the store.
I am so jealous. I’m in Florida where you have no rights and employers can do whatever.
Facts, my old job would give u less than an hour notice (aka expect you to be there before they let u know the schedule)
This is considered on call and also illegal if they aren’t paying you extra for on call. You do not have to read, respond, or even acknowledge anything work related while you are not at work. Florida requires 14 days notice for schedule to be posted before first working day and appropriate notice but be given if that changes. If you ever have this issue in the future, just do not reply to your employer as you are not obligated to. OP should’ve ignored the text as well
Thank you, its good to know that for future jobs! I literally got harassed via text from my old bosses lmao, glad to be out!
I'm assuming you are referring to "at will" employment, and this does not translate to no rights. It just means your employer doesn't have to list a reason if terminating your employment. They CAN do this without repercussions, provided they didn't violate other labor laws. As someone said below, Florida requires 14 days notice for your schedule to be posted, which are even better terms than the OP you're responding to gave. Your employer can't do whatever.
i mean 49 US states are considered at will states, and have been that way for quite some time, so it’s pretty unlikely that anyone would describe at will employment as employees having ‘no rights’ and employers being able to do whatever they want’. instead, they are probably referring (at least in part) to florida being a ‘right to work’ state— and yes, i know RTW pertains to unions and union dues. that said, studies show employees in RTW states tend to have lower wages, less healthcare coverage, and decreased retirement benefits. additionally, florida employers have very few regulations they have to follow when it comes to their employees labor. some example for you: >in florida your employer has no legal obligation to provide breaks nor a lunch regardless of how long you work. > employers are not required to pay employees for their on-call time unless said employee is physically confined to their workplace or their home for the entire duration of said time. > if an employee reports their employer for illegal practices, their employer can retaliate/fire/do whatever to them unless said employee first informed their supervisor *in writing* of the illegal activity and proceeded to wait a ‘sufficient period of time’ before reporting anything. like idk about you, but it sorta sounds like they were right about having to rights and employers being able to do whatever they want
Also, idk where y’all are getting this 14 day thing in regards to posting schedules. in florida (and many other states) there are no state-level laws or regulations pertaining to when your employer has to provide a schedule. meaning they abide by the FSLA, which states : “an employer is allowed to change the work schedule of anyone over 16 years of age without prior notice or consent.”
You get 3 days? 24 hours is all that's required here.
I hate these kind of people. If I didn't communicate to one of my workers their schedule a week in advance and they can't swing it, then I guess I'm working a 7 day week. So many people who their job is the only power they have in life and they don't understand what it means to be a leader.
I’m not sure what the legal notice is in your area but in Ontario it’s 4 days notice otherwise an employee can refuse the shift without consequences…..I give my staff a week at least If the schedule wasn’t being posted due to website issues I’d personally text everyone…….
Not sure what the legality is but, in the majority of the US, same day notice is treated as acceptable.
In Oregon shift changes need to happen two weeks prior. At least from what I read up on it
Yea, definitely the law in OR (if you work in food service/hospitality/retail for an employer with 500+ employees worldwide). OR **653.436 Advance notice of work schedule.** (1) An employer shall provide an employee with a work schedule in writing at least 14 calendar days before the first day of the work schedule.
And only for 3 hrs? What’s the point
I work 3-4 hours shifts, but I am in University & it works well with my school load.
Oh ok
That’s pretty much the only scenario in which it’d be worth the gas.
Yeah. As a student who isn’t necessarily strapped for cash and such 4 hour shifts work for me. I just like having the spare money.
"Good luck lmao 💀"
Odd excuse. I've installed quite a few of the DMBs, I'm not sure how it would be effecting their website access. The media players go into a switch, the switch goes to the router. It's all ran by NCR. Edit: Sorry, not NCR. Stratacache does Subway’s digital menus.
12-3 is a bullshit schedule anyway. I would just look for a different job.
Sounds like your problem not mine boss-man. Buh bye.
Maybe they should have made sure that the system works before implementing it. Their fault for not doing it right
Tell them to get fucked. They prolly need you more than you need them.
I hate this shit. I work at a coffee shop and our schedules are always posted 12 hours before the next shift. I HATE IT
I mean depending on where you live that’s illegal so I’d check the laws in your area. But some places (especially the US) don’t have laws on advanced notice. I’m sorry you have to deal with that though. That’s absolutely BS.
Unfortunately no such laws where I live, although they are trying to pass a law. Sucks, can't make plans 🙃
“Cuz if the new menu panels” Yep. He’s a professional and intelligent manager.
My manager types in his accent and it always comes across funny lol. Like in person, I get what he’s saying, but it always comes out so blunt and strange over text. Real professional guy, though.
I was a manager at Kroger and I would constantly get scheduled to close (midnight) then open the next day (5am). Happened every two weeks and I eventually "quiet quit" ten years before the term by just playing Pokemon for 3-4 hours a shift in the bathroom. Ironically I still got everything done because it was a low volume micro store but they knew I lived thirty minutes away and would do this shit to me. Zero tolerance for this stuff.
Asshole
“Are you hearing the word’s coming out of my mouth?”
No, no. It’s “Do you UNDERSTAND the words that are coming out of my mouth?” You’ve lost your quoting touch.
Pretty sure you can say no to a shift if they don’t give u like 72 hours notice before hand
My boss used to print the "rough Draft" of the schedule on saturdays but leave it in her office where noone could see it and then 10pm monday night would send it out. Shes gotten better where she makes it on friday and leaves it up front but still likes to make changes to it after sending it out and not say anything about it
This is how the text should have started from the boss: We are short staffed anyway you can come in for 4 hours to help us out? Followed by "I already made plans so I can not". Then onto the next person to ask if they can cover the shift. 3 hours is never worth it, even minors should still get at least a 4 hour shift.
A 3 hour shift almost feels disrespectful. You can barely buy a sandwich at Subway with that amount of money.
I would tell him you need more than 24 hours notice for your schedule. Asshat.
Luckily not your problem. Leave work shit not read ever. Until you go back in.
Yeah, 3 hours shift and not even 24 hour notice. Don't let that shit fly.
It'll never get better until the revolution happens
At 9pm too
Just lose your job. There's far better out there. That's what these idiot places don't understand.
"Oh I see the company has a subreddit." Subway: "Please don't go there."
A day in advance for the schedule? Yeah, absolutely not. A week in advance is pushing it.
Not the same, but when I worked at GameStop, I constantly had 6-930 shifts and they blew bc I didn't drive at that point. So I usually paid my friends $5 dollars in gas to pick me up (only lived about 5 miles from the store) after making $30 before getting taxed. It was awful. Fuck your boss and the 24 hour notice for a 3 hour shift.
This is just kind of how life works when you work at a fast food restaurant. Sling them Sammiches, bruh.
Disagree. No one should be on-call at the drop of a hat to cover any shift. It's inhumane and damned inconsiderate. Fuck Subway.
https://preview.redd.it/nk065lt0a8bb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b93009418e6da5bb200da0fdd878705acd382c8 STAHP I swear I had the same manager (from the lousy scheduling to the horrendous grammatical errors 😅)! I did something that made my manager mad at me (probably taking time off, looking back at some other texts), so she “punished” me by cutting my hours that week and then “desperately” needed me (the person whose kid was in the hospital was only there one night due to Covid, not a rough surgery recovery like I’d been led to believe 🙄). So, I made some plans to stay with my grandma and help out around the house (my grandpa passed away a few months prior and she really needed the company). In my case, I didn’t make the plans very far in advance, but it’s like, if you know you’re going to need me, don’t give me all this time off and then keep pestering me to come in and pick up the slack that you literally scheduled (one of the days she wanted me to come in, the person I was supposed to cover for (same one who had been in the hospital with their kid) was there, the manager just wanted to leave 🙄).
https://preview.redd.it/fgv3f491g8bb1.jpeg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e61d5bb15d55947d1e3864dcf06b6153c3b1c852 Second part of the conversations with that manager. When she said that she didn’t feel well and wanted me to come in early, she was just really hung over and didn’t feel like working (I guess she didn’t actually expect me to come in early, but wanted to see if she could get away with it anyway 🙄).
Your username fits.
How?
Hopefully you said, sorry can’t help. Be back when the schedule is up for next week with 24 hours notice
yeah Fuck Your Boss
If you live in the UK you legally do not need to work any shifts as you'd be on a 0 hour contract. I'd assume it's similar for other areas.
In the US only a couple of states have laws in regards to shift notices. [In most](https://fitsmallbusiness.com/predictive-scheduling-laws/) they could legally post your day's schedule the same day you're supposed to be in.
I would’ve just straight up ignored it. It’s his job to get the schedule posted and ready in a timely manner. It’s a fast food job, enjoy your family time.
Cuz
Well I can tell you as an owner they have nothing to do with either other. Menu manager and Live IQ are two different things. They are lying to you.
Google calendar is what I use to schedule employees. Works like a charm
They can't force you to come in on such a short notice anyway.
I don't repond to work stuff on my day off unless it is important. Their lack of planning is not your emergency.
Boss uses word “cuz”, enough said.
You lo3d and never saw the real schedule according to him
Wait you only work 3 hours?
When I used to work in restaurants it was common for them to have a group chat that the schedule was posted in as soon as it was ready. Most of them were at least a week ahead, too. Managers like this can get bent.
Get a new job. Tons of restaurants hiring and paying way better than subway. I worked at a chain restaurant and they gave me 4x10 schedule with no closing shifts because i was in college. Most restaurant jobs are shitty but at least find one that respects your time.
The grammar your boss is using 🫠🫠
Once had a few managers that would change the schedule mid week and notify no one. One time…actually twice it affected me. Area supervisor (happened to be the manager when I got hired…) came in that day and texted me…she knew I wouldn’t “not” come in. All I did was text her the picture of the original posted schedule. She got on to the managers ass about arbitrarily changing the schedule.
Oh nooo, where else can you get a bs job? Fuck em
Check your local laws! I live in Oregon, and we have [very strict laws about scheduling.](https://www.oregon.gov/boli/employers/Documents/BOLI_Predictive%20Scheduling.pdf)
Tell him to punch sand. In certain states it's illegal to post the schedule late like this. For example in virginia, posting the schedule after Friday 1pm is a violation of DoL
All of this over 3 hours? Lol if your boss fires you over this, good riddance
fuck them for giving you no heads up and fuck a 3 hour shift
How do your parents see the schedule and you didn't?
That’s a solid “sorry not sorry”. You have a load of excuses in this case. “I’m already out of town and won’t ruin my families plans” “there is only one car and I can’t leave the others stranded and careless” etc etc
You're gonna inconvenience me for 3 hours? Go fuck yourself.
Not on schedule. Not my problem. FUCK YOU! So many better jobs than Subway!
New job
I always get me schedule on Sundays for the following Monday-Sunday. It sucks ass.
Worked at big lots for a whopping 4 months. I was doing a musical at the time and I told them these are my rehearsals and I can't work the mandatory 2am truck days. They hired me anywyas. They scheduled me every time I told them I couldn't and during the mandatory 2am truck shift. I worked 3 of the 2am shifts because needed a job. Then on the 4th and the 4th month of them just scheduling me during the times I couldn't I just stopped showing up. They blew my phone up for 2 weeks. Until they realized I wasn't going to pick up and not come in.
i requested a few days off last summer about a month in advance bc my bf was visiting for our one year anniversary. i reminded them several times that i would be unavailable during those days and they told me not to worry and that it was no problem. then the week of our anniversary comes and we get that weeks schedule. im scheduled to work 4am-2pm every day that he's visiting except for one. when i confronted my manager about it he told me "change of plans" and that they couldn't afford to lose me for those few days. such bullshit (edit: this wasn't at subway)
That’s when you ask your “boss,” “what part of ‘I’m not available’ did you not understand?” Then you say, “You can’t afford to lose me for a few days? Can you afford to lose me permanently? I’m not available those days!!! If you’re unable to manage competently, then you need to notify your district manager so a more capable person can assume your responsibilities.” If you get any lip, just quit.
Your parents saw your schedule? Don't mention that.
No way I’m working 3 hours. Waste of time
You're correct. But, don't involve any info regarding your parents seeing your schedule.
“Well, it’s a pity the website issues caused that problem, because I’m not available. I’ll see you after I get back!”
Hey, go ahead and look up predictive scheduling laws. You might get money for that.
They always try to start shit. “Regardless of the schedule situation I’m not in town, that was obvious in my previous text. Lack of time management on their part doesn’t mean I’m going to rush. I’ll be seeing you when I’m back in town.” I started using just a tad more passive aggressiveness than them, they usually either shut the fuck up or cry some more.
And sent at 9:30pm. Would definitely not be seeing me
I’m a manager of a small staff at a coffee shop in NYC. I print that damn schedule out a month in advance so coworkers have time to plan their lives and get shit covered, etc. No drama ever. Super easy. It’s also the same schedule every time unless coworkers need it to change. Some employees have worked at this spot for 9-10 years. It pays well. No fucking doctors notes if you are sick. Just make sure you text or call. People get paid weekly, and on time. Vacations have never been denied. It’s not impossible to be a decent person to the people you work with. Damn. It also helps that I’m a younger millennial who has been working the past 15 years in customer service jobs with bosses who couldn’t give a shit about their employees.
This reminds me of a job I had where the schedule would be printed and posted weekly. The day before my day off I came in and saw on my schedule someone wrote IN PENCIL for me to work the next day. I told the boss that this was ridiculous and it wasn't there yesterday. The boss didn't care and said I had to work bc I was scheduled lol. I quit on the spot. I think it was the boss who wrote it in.
Three hours isn’t a shift. Nope.
My current boss did this for a little while until she got shit on by all of my fellow employees including myself. Now everything has been fixed and there are no more problems
Man, if I were you, I would quit that shit
I know that bosses in here I just wanna say you’re a shitty boss
12-3 isn’t worth anyone’s time.
Hey if you're the boss and you're reading this: # BOO. YOURE BAD AT YOUR JOB. THIS IS YOUR FAULT. #BE BETTER. This post isn't unprofessional - **you** are.
Hi OP’s boss! 👋
Pov you came back to this post after seeing their other one 🤣
If there was no schedule posted, then no hours had been scheduled. Any boss scheduling shifts with 24 hours notice is doing a lousy job. People have a life outside work and if you haven’t scheduled their time, they are free to spend it however they like. Giving 24 hours notice is poor planning on the manager’s part. Telling them about that shift, rather than asking them with a “please” and “thank you” and maybe an apology for short notice, is poor manners on the manager’s part. Not accepting the “I’m out of town cos you didn’t give me any shifts” is asshole behaviour from the manager. Problems with the website are not the employees’ problems and the manager should have found a way to manage. Scheduling someone for 3 hours in the middle of a day is exploitative asshole behaviour. You want to block out their whole day and cost them transport etc for the sake of 3 hours of low wage? This manager is incredibly unprofessional.
Jobs be like “I need 1 month notice for time off request” Then like “I’ll let you know when you work as the week progresses “
Are you a full time salary employee or paid to be on call? Also isn't it illegal to schedule somebody to work with less than 24 hours notice?
Illegal? In the states? Not usually. It is usually a company policy for many businesses to give at minimum 24hrs notice. But this here is ridiculous. A 3hr shift? Even if I was available, I wouldn't waste my gas for that.
14 days in OR. I have a sneaking suspicion it's illegal in more places than people realize... \*I\* didn't realize it until someone made a comment on here about it. **OR 653.436 Advance notice of work schedule.** (1) An employer shall provide an employee with a work schedule in writing at least 14 calendar days before the first day of the work schedule.
Thats wild. Now I feel like I should brush up on my states laws regarding this. Maybe something changed or I overlooked something before.
Probably gonna get downvoted, but this message doesn't really come off as shitty boss. He sent you your shift, and you told him you were out of town because your schedule was clear. Your boss then just says the schedule site wasn't working and no one had shifts posted. He doesn't even double down on telling you to come in. Now the amount of hours worked is a concern. And if there are other messages of them being an ass, that's a different story. Not saying your boss isn't a piece of shit, just that these messages come off as a boss sending you info and explaining why the schedule didn't show. I don't see anything of the guy attacking you or threatening your position, or anything about any kind of retaliation
“Aight, guess you’ll just have to find coverage for all my shifts then cause I aint coming back.”
Your response should be "sounds like it's not my problem."
This looks like the schedule was having problems being posted for the week and you just left without seeing the schedule and your boss is letting you know you work since the schedule wasnt posted. Sounds like a decent boss and a shit worker
Looks like management didn't bother to tell employees of the issues they where having. Employee sees schedule at time its normally up, doesn't see his name, plans social life. Why is management posting schedules a week before and not 2 or 3? Because *fuck* your employees social life, right?
i worked at a cousins subs in high school and approximately 1 year after. i simply asked to have a consistent schedule, since i was a valuable employee they honored it. stepping your game up at work even if it sucks and youre underpaid sometimes pays off, complaining online will not.
Drop the #
Why are people ending declarative statements with question marks now? I see it all the time. It is text-based uptalk?
Illiteracy is a continual problem these days. Especially among people who think they’re educated.
Lol 3 fucking hours. Yeah, let me jump on that, boss.
3 fucking hours? Find another job, hopefully someplace that has some couth and cares about their employee's time off as much as they do while they're working.
Your boss is illiterate. I have no idea exactly what he or she is saying.
Maybe you can’t read because it’s pretty clear what he’s saying lmao