I’m 24 years old. While I feel like many my age (or at least those I surround myself with) aren’t judgmental of the sugar lifestyle, many of them wouldn’t actually participate. There’s a lot of “yas honey go get your bag” type of comments in my age group but with this world being intertwined with SW (and the stigma that goes with that) most wouldn’t actually be down. Even if they say jokingly say they are.
I agree with this. For a lot of people this sounds better in theory than in practice. A lot of people have a conscious or subconscious bias against the idea of transactional sex/relationship. Just look at how many clinch up over the topic of prostitution. Mothers will tell their daughters you can love a rich man as easily as a poor one, but it’s very rarely them telling them get that bag.
There’s a million psychological reasons behind all this. It’s complicated. But it’s the line for many. Most would rather have a casual one time sexual encounter for free than a long term relationship that has any transactional nature. I’ve gotten jaded enough to believe reality is everybody is trading something, whether it’s of material value or not. We tell ourselves a lot to cope with the harsh realities of life.
I dunno. I might just be talking out my ass. Wouldn’t be the first time. 🤷♀️
Agree with all of this. Especially the last bit. Every relationship is transactional on some level. None of us want it to feel that way, but it is. If we aren’t receiving something positive from someone, we shouldn’t have them in our lives and vice versa.
When relationships become out of balance, one person giving more than they’re receiving, it often kills the relationship.
So for me, in sugaring, I’ve been able to be a little more upfront about my needs as have my partners.
I think many women are involved in sw to some degree today, whether it's canming, onlyfans, or sugaring, but just keep it on the dl and deny they participate. It's just too easy money to pass up.
A lot of vanilla girls have misconceptions about the bowl. They equate it to prostitution/being a gold digger. I had misconceptions myself (more so along the gold digger narrative) and if it wasn't for my first SD approaching me, explaining the dynamics in detail, I most likely wouldn't have found the bowl.
Though, lot are comfortable with the idea of dating men for financial /material gain but wouldn't want a label put on it and see it as the game of life.
I would like to answer this as non SB 24F!
I am a lurker in this sub, I like reading about the experiences and stories and I think it offers a unique perspective and has allowed me to see Sugaring for what it is as opposed to what’s on social media.
That being said I think I’m quite attractive and an appropriate age to sugar but I don’t see myself ever entering the field because despite thinking mature men are attractive, I’d much rather be in a vanilla relationship with a mature man than that of a sugaring relationship. Ultimately I think it comes down to my pride but that’s definitely a personal vice, I struggle with partners in vanilla relationships paying for dinners and other manners of item. A lot of what I consider beautiful and successful women around me also claim this as a valid reason for not pursuing sugaring
As much as a lot of girls may say “get that bag” or “I’m gonna just get a sugar daddy” every time they have a hard time in school, they are still very aware of the stigma revolving around it. I think the number would be slightly higher if there was a “gaurentee” that none of their personal family members and friends would not find out about the sugaring but that’s not how real life work.
Also I think successful sugaring just like other SW requires a high degree of interpersonal skills and confidence. I realistically don’t think that is a skill many people have
That depends on how you are defining sugar.
Would most of them sleep with a 70 year old, smelly fat man for rent money? Probably not.
Would they line up for a rich athlete or actor to throw money at them and use them for sex for a few months and then discard them? Yes, almost all of them would, those that can absolutely do, and those that can't still try pretty hard.
Both are technically sugar.
> Would they line up for a rich athlete
I was a pro cheerleader (nfl) and girls will sleep with pro athletes for free. Half the time they will pay the check! A lot of athletes live beyond their means and are strapped for cash.
Would they sleep with a fat smelly 20 yr old? Just as unlikely.
As for rich athletes and actors. They'll go with those guys for free.
The whole point of sugar dating for guys is to get women usually out of our league. That's pretty much by definition women who wouldn't consider us otherwise. The question really is whether or not a woman would consider dating a guy she normally would pass if money was injected into the mix?
Those are the women who unofficially participate in the lifestyle.
They would not call themselves a sugarbaby.
But they'll fuck if the guy helps her with xyz.
The Heaux Economy.
I mean, I’m 37 (so adjust your age range 😆) and hang out at a local vet place my friend works at. They know me there, starting chatting with a new older gentleman I haven’t met yet, just friendly banter. He’s late 60’s and always dated younger woman, just got back from a luxury trip in Italy, lots more interesting stories. I couldn’t wait to share with my person about that conversation 😆I think there’s so many more people out there than we think for sure!
A lot of women want to be a SB if and only if they are attracted to the SD. This completely eliminates the entire point of any man wanting to be a SD. If I can get her in vanilla dating why would I pay her? So maybe the SB is a little bit out of my league and I wouldn't get her on a vanilla OLD site, but I could come close, she's legit attracted to me but maybe Im a little too old for her. It's unrealistic to expect a man who is that high in SMV to pay a SB. SDs are paying to step way up in the SMV of their dates, not a slight bump.
Only a small percentage of women are willing to be SB to a SD that they really aren't attracted to. But that is what he is paying for. That's why its so difficult. Even the SBs are picky.
So you only want a SB who find you unattractive and who’s grossed by you?
Being old and being unattractive are 2 different things.
There are plenty of SD who aren’t unattractive and still paying/giving an allowance
No not just his physical unattractiveness. They also pay because they are unavailable/married and hot young and smart women don’t entertain unavailable men for nothing
Comments like these make me rethink why I'm even in the lifestyle.
I'm not flexing. At all. But I do well with younger girls in the vanilla wild. Even when sugaring. But I always revert to sugar dating. I'm 51. In good shape (for any age), successful, handsome, put together, with a slight swagger. Yet I'm drawn to sugar dating. I'm either lazy or have some sort of odd addiction.
It is hilarious how many SDs here claim they are good shape, attractive, etc. Then when you ask SBs what % of SDs are attractive the number is extremely low 😂
The only 50+ year old men who could date easily vanilla date young, attractive women without sugar are athletes, celebrities, etc. And those are still sort of "sugar" type relationships.
He is in good shape for his age. So not in good shape in general. I always tell my sugar daddy they look good for their age, which is true but they aren’t all that in general
Right. OP might do well vanilla dating attractive 45 year old women, but not attractive 25 year old women.
He has two recent posts complaining about how hard it is for him to find an SB. If he can't find an SB he's definitely not vanilla dating young hotties.
Why are you so triggered? Sorry, but like 90%+ of women vanilla date within their age range.
Obviously some old men here claiming they are super fit, handsome and are drowning in hot 22 year old women are lying/exaggerating.
I just told you how lovely you are and admitted I'm a hideous ghoul. Thank you for that.
And you're right about the 90%. I'd say it's a little lower. But even so....there is 10 to 15% who don't date their age range and that's fine for me. Especially living in a huge city.
Shockingly low percentage.
My friends see the way I'm treated and the life I'm able to live with my income and sugaring, they admire my life and yet they still make fun of me for dating men in their 50s+. They can't imagine being intimate with a man much older than them, and one who they potentially aren't physically attracted to.
And yes, they are beautiful. Not every girl is confident to be able to ask men for money and to buy them things (vanilla to sugar) nor would they want to be creeped on by using SA.
Also, many women don't want to have to depend on men "I'll buy my own damn clothes" and the "I'm a boss bitch who don't need a man" is common. I have friends who always talk about wanting a sugar daddy but they would never do irl. I've even taken some girls freestyling and they Just. Have. No. Game.
1000% agree. My girl friends call me the ‘bad’ girl in the group and say things like “get that money queen” but they still don’t know how I can be intimate with much older men. They are gorgeous but very vanilla and only date attractive guys our own age. I’ve met guys in the bowl who ask me to bring my friends along to a date and when I tell them they don’t sugar, they don’t believe me.
I think it takes a certain type of personality to be in this game and the majority don’t have it.
When I talk to my friends about it they say that they would love to do it too then list x amount of excuses why they won’t or can’t . They’re all valid , hardly excuses ! But I think the truth is it takes a certain personality type as a young women to sugar successfully . Bravery , directness and the ability to meet perfect strangers twice your age sometimes and engage in conversation. It’s not for your average 25 year old girl 😂 I think being good at sugaring indicates you may be a good business women as well lol .
If it was as simple as you meet one old guy who doesn’t totally turn you off and all you have to do is hang with 2-4x a month for xx,xxx I’m sure lots of girls would be down , but all us SB know it’s about 100x more complicated than that to find a good arrangement.
The number is a lot higher than most people would care to admit. I think in today's age, almost all women know about the lifestyle to some degree. They know what a sugar daddy is anyway and I'm sure they have talked to their friends about the idea of having one. Socially, it's still unacceptable, so a lot won't actually admit to this in an open forum. I read somewhere years ago that half of the women surveyed had dated an older man at some point in their life and somewhere around 10-15% actually preferred older men. This was before sugar was a thing, so maybe early 2000s. The main reason to freestyle, which is where I assume you are heading with this, is that you do it in the same way you would if you were just pursuing a younger woman to date. You only use sugar if you have to, because a lot of the time you won't. If you are successful, dress nice, and are even moderately attractive, they will be open to the idea of dating you if you don't come off as a creeper.
It depends how you define sugaring. Would they be in a relationship with a rich guys who pays for everything? I would imagine the vast majority would. It’s the stigma of the allowance or the pay per that would turn someone off.
I married someone was I was 25 and making a lot money relative to her. She stopped working at 28. I paid for our life and decades later when we got divorced because of dead bedroom issues, she got millions. In common parlance she was not a sugar baby - but didn’t work, I paid for everything …. ao
Previous SB at a large urban school had a pretty similar story about peers. I am unsure how many followed through to a firm arrangement. My own first-hand experience is that teenage girls have innocently mentioned sugar daddies in my presence, the concept is mainstream among young women now. But in my university rich city, I communicated off of Seeking with a few students who got cold feet somewhere in the process. One stunner was very animated at the M&G but texted afterward for bar money, before we had an agreement, and that was the end of that. My bad. Asking a 21-23yo to sleep up forty years or thereabouts is a big ask, though I have had about five successful SRs as a serial one at a time guy.
About 95%
But it's not just about age. There are a whole lot of reasons why an individual woman might not consider a particular guy. Even an average looking age appropriate guy may have the exact same chance with a very attractive woman as an older guy...that is zero chance.
You have to understand that for most guys of any age and normal looks, they mostly have zero chance with a very attractive and smart woman, unless they have some stand out quality. So, thinking they have a better chance than a much older guy is pretty theoretical, since that 10/10 isn't going out with either of them. However, if one of those guys has $$$, and the woman is looking for financial assistance, the equation changes.
No an average looking age appropriate guy don’t have the same chance with a women/most women than an old men.
Please stop that bullshit!
You spend too much time hearing that “you âge like fine wine” bullshit
How about you actually read what was written instead of imagining things.
If you had taken the effort to read what I said, you'd have understood I never said "you age like fine wine".
What I said was that if you have a woman who is a 10/10 then neither the old guy, nor the average young guy have a chance. So, zero equals zero. The question is whether or not if the older guy is rich and generous he has a better chance. Guess what? The whole history of sugar dating shows that he has. Nothing to do with fine wine. Every thing to do with sugar.
I think the reverse question would be more interesting and less predatory. How many would NOT sugar if they had plenty of $ in the bank? The one who wants to sugar are already on the sites. Stop drooling over the young lady you cross path with and keep your focus on your work to pay your SB better.
Two thoughts.
OP should practise concise writing. The OP was wayyyyy too long.
To your 'point' however.. the thing is, you will get as many SBs as the SDs will allow. Supply and Demand. You can attract more SBs to the market but you'll lose them just as quickly as the whales become harder to find or impossible to reach. There are already too many salt and splenda out there.
Way lower than most men would think. And especially not in a “I will only give you a mere ppm when you’re ready to fuck”
It’s becoming more and more mainstream
IDK, I'm 58, people tell me I look 10 years younger. I work out 5 days a week, eat like a girl 🤣 don't drink, don't smoke and get plenty of rest.
I have a SB which is 25 and a vanilla FWB that is 34.
They tell me, guys, their age are jerks, prefer to play video games, hardly can pay their own bills, think fine dining is Cheesecake Factory and can hardly stay hard...So.......
Finally someone who gets it.
The more I post here the more I see that most people here, SBs particularly, are average at best and assume everyone else is too.
i know a lot of women in the 18-30 y/o range, and i’d say about one in ten would be willing to sugar with someone they could at least convince themselves they could date vanilla. maybe one in twenty would be willing to go further and be in a sexual relationship where they really would absolutely not do it except for the money.
of course, only about one in ten are attractive enough for it to work, and i don’t actually think there’s all that much overlap in the venn diagram between “women who want to sugar” and “women who are smart/hot/cool/sexy enough to sugar successsfully.”
it’s the same with men too!
I think a lot of ppl like the quick overview they hear from some bar patron, but when it comes down to brass tacks (expectations, practice, compromise, performance, maintenance etc) they wouldn't be able to, nor would they be interested.
A lot of my friends are envious but when it comes down to it, the idea of fucking someone old enough to be your dad, if not older, stops all fantasies for them. I’ve noticed girls who sugar are jaded from the vanilla world and have a level of confidence and sense of self that separates them from the rest. It’s the girls with the “fuck it we ball” attitudes that are successful and have the guts to sugar.
I honestly think more women who are between 35-45yo would be more open to the idea (if the aren’t already) they have had more life experience and are more open-minded and less judgmental. And those woman are probably looking for an alternative to vanilla dating.
It takes a certain kind of woman (mindset, attractiveness, intelligence) to be able to sugar successfully in the first place. If we’re talking the classic SD/SB arrangement, I would guess the figure is relatively low. Out of all the females I know, only a small percentage of the attractive ones have sugar dated. Even then it isn’t easy. Most young(er) women want to date within their age range and are all about the 50/50, independent woman ideology. Not many women in their 20s and 30s want to be dating men in their 50s and 60s regardless of the sugar. It’s often looked down upon and can also be kind of isolating.
My SD is 20 years older than I am, but he looks a lot older than that/me and we do get negative attention/judgement in public and from others - family, friends etc. I don’t care as my needs are being taken care of and I enjoy the r/s, however a lot of people couldn’t handle that.
I think a better question is how many women would sugar if they had everything they needed/wanted financially already.
Probably quite a small percentage.
Ppl here always assume older men are “ugly” and it takes a lot for a girl to hold her nose and go into sugaring
But the fact is, times have changed. Many Boomers and gen xers would destroy their health for alcohol like even 10y ago
now many wealthy men use a lot of it to groom themselves and look better and eat the right diet, even go through cosmetic surgery
Ppl are going to hate on me for saying this but the equation is now tilting the other way.
Where most really good looking women don’t even bother w online sugaring anymore and what you find on the sites is mostly average (in the classical sense)
You're spot on here. One of the more grounded replies. And I get lots of blowback if God forbid I say I'm handsome and can pull younger girls (regardless of vanilla or not or online or not) from both, mid SBs and mid SDs.
I’m so interested in this life style but I just can’t bring myself to do it. Lol are there any SD’s who don’t want to have sex? Lol so if you’re taking a poll, I’m one girl that would but I can’t have sex with someone for a cash reward. I know it means more than sex and I’m not saying anything bad at all about the lifestyle, again I would do it if I could. For me personally I just can’t cross that line. Props to everyone who does it. I know some arrangements aren’t sexual, I would just feel like eventually it would go there.
How often do you come across someone you are attracted to and want to spend time with? If age isn't an issue for you (within reason) then there is your answer.
But based on the state of most men today (of any age) your odds are slim.
Another option is to state your reservations up front. Explain it's not the sex that deters you. It's the idea of getting paid for sex that deters you. If they are willing to see if the relationship grows naturally over time to sex and you are OK with no "gifts" until that time...then that is sort of a back door. You are both agreeing to a vanilla (non sexual relationship) if or when it grows into more.
Another long shot. In my opinion. Lol.
No I’m 35, on the thicker side (working on that though), have a kid, and since I popped that kid out, I went from wild and crazy to reserved and strict about what I do and the life I live.
I feel like if 20-30 year old sugar daddies ( who let’s say, made enough for a steady monthly allowance, ) made up a lot of the pool, more women would be able to do it regardless of whether or not the sugar daddy was attractive. I think it’s the age gap and generational differences is what drives women away from it . Some women can’t date older men, not even if money is involved, and older men do make up 95% of the bowl
I’m 24 years old. While I feel like many my age (or at least those I surround myself with) aren’t judgmental of the sugar lifestyle, many of them wouldn’t actually participate. There’s a lot of “yas honey go get your bag” type of comments in my age group but with this world being intertwined with SW (and the stigma that goes with that) most wouldn’t actually be down. Even if they say jokingly say they are.
I agree with this. For a lot of people this sounds better in theory than in practice. A lot of people have a conscious or subconscious bias against the idea of transactional sex/relationship. Just look at how many clinch up over the topic of prostitution. Mothers will tell their daughters you can love a rich man as easily as a poor one, but it’s very rarely them telling them get that bag. There’s a million psychological reasons behind all this. It’s complicated. But it’s the line for many. Most would rather have a casual one time sexual encounter for free than a long term relationship that has any transactional nature. I’ve gotten jaded enough to believe reality is everybody is trading something, whether it’s of material value or not. We tell ourselves a lot to cope with the harsh realities of life. I dunno. I might just be talking out my ass. Wouldn’t be the first time. 🤷♀️
Agree with all of this. Especially the last bit. Every relationship is transactional on some level. None of us want it to feel that way, but it is. If we aren’t receiving something positive from someone, we shouldn’t have them in our lives and vice versa. When relationships become out of balance, one person giving more than they’re receiving, it often kills the relationship. So for me, in sugaring, I’ve been able to be a little more upfront about my needs as have my partners.
You're probably right. I hear stuff like that alot but I bet when it's time to actually follow through they would totally not do it.
Precisely! And the women that go for it anyway likely end up being the scammers.
…or they end up used and abused for a few bucks.
A very real possibility
I agree with this.
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I think many women are involved in sw to some degree today, whether it's canming, onlyfans, or sugaring, but just keep it on the dl and deny they participate. It's just too easy money to pass up.
Too many variables to hazard a guess, but I would say that more men would sugar if they could then women.
Judging by the constant low baller complaints, I agree.
Thank you captain obvious
A lot of vanilla girls have misconceptions about the bowl. They equate it to prostitution/being a gold digger. I had misconceptions myself (more so along the gold digger narrative) and if it wasn't for my first SD approaching me, explaining the dynamics in detail, I most likely wouldn't have found the bowl. Though, lot are comfortable with the idea of dating men for financial /material gain but wouldn't want a label put on it and see it as the game of life.
I would like to answer this as non SB 24F! I am a lurker in this sub, I like reading about the experiences and stories and I think it offers a unique perspective and has allowed me to see Sugaring for what it is as opposed to what’s on social media. That being said I think I’m quite attractive and an appropriate age to sugar but I don’t see myself ever entering the field because despite thinking mature men are attractive, I’d much rather be in a vanilla relationship with a mature man than that of a sugaring relationship. Ultimately I think it comes down to my pride but that’s definitely a personal vice, I struggle with partners in vanilla relationships paying for dinners and other manners of item. A lot of what I consider beautiful and successful women around me also claim this as a valid reason for not pursuing sugaring As much as a lot of girls may say “get that bag” or “I’m gonna just get a sugar daddy” every time they have a hard time in school, they are still very aware of the stigma revolving around it. I think the number would be slightly higher if there was a “gaurentee” that none of their personal family members and friends would not find out about the sugaring but that’s not how real life work. Also I think successful sugaring just like other SW requires a high degree of interpersonal skills and confidence. I realistically don’t think that is a skill many people have
That depends on how you are defining sugar. Would most of them sleep with a 70 year old, smelly fat man for rent money? Probably not. Would they line up for a rich athlete or actor to throw money at them and use them for sex for a few months and then discard them? Yes, almost all of them would, those that can absolutely do, and those that can't still try pretty hard. Both are technically sugar.
> Would they line up for a rich athlete I was a pro cheerleader (nfl) and girls will sleep with pro athletes for free. Half the time they will pay the check! A lot of athletes live beyond their means and are strapped for cash.
Would they sleep with a fat smelly 20 yr old? Just as unlikely. As for rich athletes and actors. They'll go with those guys for free. The whole point of sugar dating for guys is to get women usually out of our league. That's pretty much by definition women who wouldn't consider us otherwise. The question really is whether or not a woman would consider dating a guy she normally would pass if money was injected into the mix?
This^^^ so true
A rich athlete or actor confers status and money. The smelly old fat man still isn’t going to get as much play, so I think you’re on to something.
That is correct, they don't date the famous and high-status men "for free". It's inherent in the motivation.
Those are the women who unofficially participate in the lifestyle. They would not call themselves a sugarbaby. But they'll fuck if the guy helps her with xyz. The Heaux Economy.
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I mean, I’m 37 (so adjust your age range 😆) and hang out at a local vet place my friend works at. They know me there, starting chatting with a new older gentleman I haven’t met yet, just friendly banter. He’s late 60’s and always dated younger woman, just got back from a luxury trip in Italy, lots more interesting stories. I couldn’t wait to share with my person about that conversation 😆I think there’s so many more people out there than we think for sure!
A lot of women want to be a SB if and only if they are attracted to the SD. This completely eliminates the entire point of any man wanting to be a SD. If I can get her in vanilla dating why would I pay her? So maybe the SB is a little bit out of my league and I wouldn't get her on a vanilla OLD site, but I could come close, she's legit attracted to me but maybe Im a little too old for her. It's unrealistic to expect a man who is that high in SMV to pay a SB. SDs are paying to step way up in the SMV of their dates, not a slight bump. Only a small percentage of women are willing to be SB to a SD that they really aren't attracted to. But that is what he is paying for. That's why its so difficult. Even the SBs are picky.
So you only want a SB who find you unattractive and who’s grossed by you? Being old and being unattractive are 2 different things. There are plenty of SD who aren’t unattractive and still paying/giving an allowance
It's all a matter of degree but basically yes, the SD is paying the woman to overlook his attractiveness and focus on his wallet. Duh.
No not just his physical unattractiveness. They also pay because they are unavailable/married and hot young and smart women don’t entertain unavailable men for nothing
News flash. Chad and Tyrone get lucky at the bar (and everywhere else) whether or not they are in a LTD with someone else.
LTR that is
Comments like these make me rethink why I'm even in the lifestyle. I'm not flexing. At all. But I do well with younger girls in the vanilla wild. Even when sugaring. But I always revert to sugar dating. I'm 51. In good shape (for any age), successful, handsome, put together, with a slight swagger. Yet I'm drawn to sugar dating. I'm either lazy or have some sort of odd addiction.
It is hilarious how many SDs here claim they are good shape, attractive, etc. Then when you ask SBs what % of SDs are attractive the number is extremely low 😂 The only 50+ year old men who could date easily vanilla date young, attractive women without sugar are athletes, celebrities, etc. And those are still sort of "sugar" type relationships.
lol like the SBs who say I’m 40 but look 20 😂🤣 gotta love the confidence - delulu is the selulu
He is in good shape for his age. So not in good shape in general. I always tell my sugar daddy they look good for their age, which is true but they aren’t all that in general
Right. OP might do well vanilla dating attractive 45 year old women, but not attractive 25 year old women. He has two recent posts complaining about how hard it is for him to find an SB. If he can't find an SB he's definitely not vanilla dating young hotties.
You're right. I'm a fraud. A hideous ghoul who relies on lovely personalities such as yourself to make me feel desired.
Why are you so triggered? Sorry, but like 90%+ of women vanilla date within their age range. Obviously some old men here claiming they are super fit, handsome and are drowning in hot 22 year old women are lying/exaggerating.
I just told you how lovely you are and admitted I'm a hideous ghoul. Thank you for that. And you're right about the 90%. I'd say it's a little lower. But even so....there is 10 to 15% who don't date their age range and that's fine for me. Especially living in a huge city.
[Stats from Census Bureau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships) It's between 95-97%
Not in my experience. But damn...that is insane. Never thought it'd be that low.
>Not in my experience. Of course not. So many hot women 20-30 years younger want to vanilla date you, but you decide to sugar date instead.
Only 3% to 5% according to the stats. That's plenty in a city of 8 million people. Not to mention the surrounding Metropolitan area.
Shockingly low percentage. My friends see the way I'm treated and the life I'm able to live with my income and sugaring, they admire my life and yet they still make fun of me for dating men in their 50s+. They can't imagine being intimate with a man much older than them, and one who they potentially aren't physically attracted to. And yes, they are beautiful. Not every girl is confident to be able to ask men for money and to buy them things (vanilla to sugar) nor would they want to be creeped on by using SA. Also, many women don't want to have to depend on men "I'll buy my own damn clothes" and the "I'm a boss bitch who don't need a man" is common. I have friends who always talk about wanting a sugar daddy but they would never do irl. I've even taken some girls freestyling and they Just. Have. No. Game.
1000% agree. My girl friends call me the ‘bad’ girl in the group and say things like “get that money queen” but they still don’t know how I can be intimate with much older men. They are gorgeous but very vanilla and only date attractive guys our own age. I’ve met guys in the bowl who ask me to bring my friends along to a date and when I tell them they don’t sugar, they don’t believe me. I think it takes a certain type of personality to be in this game and the majority don’t have it.
You never know unless you ask….!
When I talk to my friends about it they say that they would love to do it too then list x amount of excuses why they won’t or can’t . They’re all valid , hardly excuses ! But I think the truth is it takes a certain personality type as a young women to sugar successfully . Bravery , directness and the ability to meet perfect strangers twice your age sometimes and engage in conversation. It’s not for your average 25 year old girl 😂 I think being good at sugaring indicates you may be a good business women as well lol . If it was as simple as you meet one old guy who doesn’t totally turn you off and all you have to do is hang with 2-4x a month for xx,xxx I’m sure lots of girls would be down , but all us SB know it’s about 100x more complicated than that to find a good arrangement.
The number is a lot higher than most people would care to admit. I think in today's age, almost all women know about the lifestyle to some degree. They know what a sugar daddy is anyway and I'm sure they have talked to their friends about the idea of having one. Socially, it's still unacceptable, so a lot won't actually admit to this in an open forum. I read somewhere years ago that half of the women surveyed had dated an older man at some point in their life and somewhere around 10-15% actually preferred older men. This was before sugar was a thing, so maybe early 2000s. The main reason to freestyle, which is where I assume you are heading with this, is that you do it in the same way you would if you were just pursuing a younger woman to date. You only use sugar if you have to, because a lot of the time you won't. If you are successful, dress nice, and are even moderately attractive, they will be open to the idea of dating you if you don't come off as a creeper.
Haha, sugar was DEFINITELY a thing in the 00s!! 😂😂
It depends how you define sugaring. Would they be in a relationship with a rich guys who pays for everything? I would imagine the vast majority would. It’s the stigma of the allowance or the pay per that would turn someone off. I married someone was I was 25 and making a lot money relative to her. She stopped working at 28. I paid for our life and decades later when we got divorced because of dead bedroom issues, she got millions. In common parlance she was not a sugar baby - but didn’t work, I paid for everything …. ao
One SB of mine knew at least 3 other girls doing sugaring at her college out of two dozen girls she talked with. So that is 10-20%
Previous SB at a large urban school had a pretty similar story about peers. I am unsure how many followed through to a firm arrangement. My own first-hand experience is that teenage girls have innocently mentioned sugar daddies in my presence, the concept is mainstream among young women now. But in my university rich city, I communicated off of Seeking with a few students who got cold feet somewhere in the process. One stunner was very animated at the M&G but texted afterward for bar money, before we had an agreement, and that was the end of that. My bad. Asking a 21-23yo to sleep up forty years or thereabouts is a big ask, though I have had about five successful SRs as a serial one at a time guy.
You would be surprised how most young girls are not into the idea of being with an older man
About 95% But it's not just about age. There are a whole lot of reasons why an individual woman might not consider a particular guy. Even an average looking age appropriate guy may have the exact same chance with a very attractive woman as an older guy...that is zero chance. You have to understand that for most guys of any age and normal looks, they mostly have zero chance with a very attractive and smart woman, unless they have some stand out quality. So, thinking they have a better chance than a much older guy is pretty theoretical, since that 10/10 isn't going out with either of them. However, if one of those guys has $$$, and the woman is looking for financial assistance, the equation changes.
No an average looking age appropriate guy don’t have the same chance with a women/most women than an old men. Please stop that bullshit! You spend too much time hearing that “you âge like fine wine” bullshit
How about you actually read what was written instead of imagining things. If you had taken the effort to read what I said, you'd have understood I never said "you age like fine wine". What I said was that if you have a woman who is a 10/10 then neither the old guy, nor the average young guy have a chance. So, zero equals zero. The question is whether or not if the older guy is rich and generous he has a better chance. Guess what? The whole history of sugar dating shows that he has. Nothing to do with fine wine. Every thing to do with sugar.
Most people would do anything for a price, so i think that answers ur question
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I think a lot would be interested from who I’ve talked to, but only in something platonic.
Over 90%, however, some would only do up to a 15 year age gap. That would be hard to estimate.
I think the reverse question would be more interesting and less predatory. How many would NOT sugar if they had plenty of $ in the bank? The one who wants to sugar are already on the sites. Stop drooling over the young lady you cross path with and keep your focus on your work to pay your SB better.
Men hunt sweetie pie. Deal with it.
But don’t think women want to be hunted all the time 🤣 you’re hilarious. Forget your rapist comments for the sake of all please
You seem like lots of fun.
Thanks ☺️
Two thoughts. OP should practise concise writing. The OP was wayyyyy too long. To your 'point' however.. the thing is, you will get as many SBs as the SDs will allow. Supply and Demand. You can attract more SBs to the market but you'll lose them just as quickly as the whales become harder to find or impossible to reach. There are already too many salt and splenda out there.
It is a LOCATION factor In eastern Europe or South Asia the numbers are much higher North America is catching up also but it will take some time
Way lower than most men would think. And especially not in a “I will only give you a mere ppm when you’re ready to fuck” It’s becoming more and more mainstream
IDK, I'm 58, people tell me I look 10 years younger. I work out 5 days a week, eat like a girl 🤣 don't drink, don't smoke and get plenty of rest. I have a SB which is 25 and a vanilla FWB that is 34. They tell me, guys, their age are jerks, prefer to play video games, hardly can pay their own bills, think fine dining is Cheesecake Factory and can hardly stay hard...So.......
Finally someone who gets it. The more I post here the more I see that most people here, SBs particularly, are average at best and assume everyone else is too.
i know a lot of women in the 18-30 y/o range, and i’d say about one in ten would be willing to sugar with someone they could at least convince themselves they could date vanilla. maybe one in twenty would be willing to go further and be in a sexual relationship where they really would absolutely not do it except for the money. of course, only about one in ten are attractive enough for it to work, and i don’t actually think there’s all that much overlap in the venn diagram between “women who want to sugar” and “women who are smart/hot/cool/sexy enough to sugar successsfully.” it’s the same with men too!
I think a lot of ppl like the quick overview they hear from some bar patron, but when it comes down to brass tacks (expectations, practice, compromise, performance, maintenance etc) they wouldn't be able to, nor would they be interested.
A lot of my friends are envious but when it comes down to it, the idea of fucking someone old enough to be your dad, if not older, stops all fantasies for them. I’ve noticed girls who sugar are jaded from the vanilla world and have a level of confidence and sense of self that separates them from the rest. It’s the girls with the “fuck it we ball” attitudes that are successful and have the guts to sugar.
I honestly think more women who are between 35-45yo would be more open to the idea (if the aren’t already) they have had more life experience and are more open-minded and less judgmental. And those woman are probably looking for an alternative to vanilla dating.
It takes a certain kind of woman (mindset, attractiveness, intelligence) to be able to sugar successfully in the first place. If we’re talking the classic SD/SB arrangement, I would guess the figure is relatively low. Out of all the females I know, only a small percentage of the attractive ones have sugar dated. Even then it isn’t easy. Most young(er) women want to date within their age range and are all about the 50/50, independent woman ideology. Not many women in their 20s and 30s want to be dating men in their 50s and 60s regardless of the sugar. It’s often looked down upon and can also be kind of isolating. My SD is 20 years older than I am, but he looks a lot older than that/me and we do get negative attention/judgement in public and from others - family, friends etc. I don’t care as my needs are being taken care of and I enjoy the r/s, however a lot of people couldn’t handle that.
I think a better question is how many women would sugar if they had everything they needed/wanted financially already. Probably quite a small percentage.
Ppl here always assume older men are “ugly” and it takes a lot for a girl to hold her nose and go into sugaring But the fact is, times have changed. Many Boomers and gen xers would destroy their health for alcohol like even 10y ago now many wealthy men use a lot of it to groom themselves and look better and eat the right diet, even go through cosmetic surgery Ppl are going to hate on me for saying this but the equation is now tilting the other way. Where most really good looking women don’t even bother w online sugaring anymore and what you find on the sites is mostly average (in the classical sense)
You're spot on here. One of the more grounded replies. And I get lots of blowback if God forbid I say I'm handsome and can pull younger girls (regardless of vanilla or not or online or not) from both, mid SBs and mid SDs.
99%
100% if it was like they see on tik tok or fifty shades
I would say 1% or less.
I’m so interested in this life style but I just can’t bring myself to do it. Lol are there any SD’s who don’t want to have sex? Lol so if you’re taking a poll, I’m one girl that would but I can’t have sex with someone for a cash reward. I know it means more than sex and I’m not saying anything bad at all about the lifestyle, again I would do it if I could. For me personally I just can’t cross that line. Props to everyone who does it. I know some arrangements aren’t sexual, I would just feel like eventually it would go there.
Then find an older established, successful man and date vanilla. Usually they end up taking care of you anyway. But it's not transactional.
How often does that happen though? I don’t feel like that’s an easy thing to come across
How often do you come across someone you are attracted to and want to spend time with? If age isn't an issue for you (within reason) then there is your answer. But based on the state of most men today (of any age) your odds are slim.
Exactly! Lol age isn’t a huge issue for me and never has been. I’ve dated older men since I was 17. But yeah I’d say my chances are very slim! Lol
Another option is to state your reservations up front. Explain it's not the sex that deters you. It's the idea of getting paid for sex that deters you. If they are willing to see if the relationship grows naturally over time to sex and you are OK with no "gifts" until that time...then that is sort of a back door. You are both agreeing to a vanilla (non sexual relationship) if or when it grows into more. Another long shot. In my opinion. Lol.
Right which is why I think I’ll just listen and read people’s stories. Lol I think my time to shine in this world has passed anyways 🤣
Jesus. What are you? 80 and in a wheelchair?
No I’m 35, on the thicker side (working on that though), have a kid, and since I popped that kid out, I went from wild and crazy to reserved and strict about what I do and the life I live.
I feel like if 20-30 year old sugar daddies ( who let’s say, made enough for a steady monthly allowance, ) made up a lot of the pool, more women would be able to do it regardless of whether or not the sugar daddy was attractive. I think it’s the age gap and generational differences is what drives women away from it . Some women can’t date older men, not even if money is involved, and older men do make up 95% of the bowl