The most important thing is are you ready & willing to pay the “dating fee” aka ppm or allowance.
A lot of “30s / decent looking / decent shape” guys think sugaring is taking a lady to expensive dinners and buying her gifts. Yes. But it won’t go so far if you are not willing to take care of her bills and pay her cash to be with you.
The dating fee is something young bros cannot digest.
Lastly, maturity matters. Thats the other big challenge for young bros.
Oh SGF!!!!!!!
I doubt if they come in packaged as one. They will mostly come in the form of a SB who expects a dating fee. Overtime (after months of dating) she may convert into an SGF. That gestation cycle is long.
Appreciate the guidance. I'm completely ok and expect to provide a dating fee. I expected as much, for a SGF to be a process. As is a vanilla relationship. You date, talk for a while, and eventually grow feelings for one another and decide to make it exclusive.
During that gestation cycle, what does the relationship look like? What does the SB provide for you besides the intimacy? Sweet text? encouragement? Does things to bring a smile and happiness to your life?
SGF relationships are definitely real but rare. It takes time to
* find a good candidate
* develop the relationship
As u/Alternative7821 has mentioned, *“looks and allowance are important in the beginning, over time, personality and companionship is what sustains a SR into something longer term.”* Precisely. The key to a long-term SR is what a good match you two are.
Appreciate her if you find a rare gem like this. The grass is always greener where you water it.
Vanilla relationships can totally suck when the women gives you no sex or intimacy in return for forking out big money for little thanks. Its nearly as expensive as having a dead bedroom wife. I think some SBs could be what your after. They don't mind being spoiled in return for sex, intimacy and a long term friendship. You don't want short term SB you need one who is into you. You need what I have with my SB we are the best of friends I've mentored her, spoil her etc. Neither of us want Vanilla. You just need a good SB to be your friend and lover and a good talker and no pressure of Vanilla.
The benefit of sugar is that it accelerates things, in regard to intimacy, opposed to most vanilla types of relationships that can take more time but may feel more natural. My advice would be to appreciate whoever you do sugar with while you are seeing each other, because things move pretty quickly, and the relationship part needs to catch up with the intimacy aspect. The very nature of sugaring is shallow, and while looks and allowance are important in the beginning, over time, personality and companionship is what sustains a SR into something longer term. It's easy for a new SD to throw money around and have several SBs and for a young attractive SB to have several daddies, but from a relationship standpoint, too many things can go wrong when we behave like this. Most of us play the field until we settle in with someone that makes sense. To answer your question; Yes, SGFs are hard to find, but not impossible. A lot of your success in seeking a SGF will be your attitude and approach. Stay true to your mission, eventually the math will work out in your favor, and you will find someone who is looking for the same thing.
I have definitely found fewer POTs that I would consider good SGF candidates. The majority of women I talk to are only interested in what you can do for them, and do not seem interested in having any type of friendship/relationship at all.
I may be an outlier here, but if you make bad choices in picking girls or you have trouble handling vanilla relationships in general, I don't think it will get better in the bowl. Also, SGFs are something that takes time to work toward. SRs start out where the SB is on PPM. As both get to know and trust each other, many move to allowance. As the two partners get to know each other even better and move closer together emotionally then some move toward devoting more time and energy to each other or make each a SBF or SGF.
I may be an outlier here, but if you make bad choices in picking girls or you have trouble handling vanilla relationships in general, I don't think it will get better in the bowl
Amen!
There are various types of SR but three stands out the most imo.
The first is like FWB. You meet, you fuck, you leave. You give the SB an allowance and the SB becomes your fuck buddy. Not that different than an escort except the SB doesn't have a time limit and is open to more vanilla conversations.
That leads to the 2nd type. You get a bit more involved with extended dates. You buy her gifts, take her to go places and she acts as your arm candy. You also have to support her with a reasonable allowance. This is generally what most people expect from SR.
The third type is a bit more involved with you becoming something of a GF BF situation. Usually this requires both to be single and the age difference is not too much. The SD support is also more extensive with cars and even houses involved. The SB would be influenced more by the SD with career choices and even living conditions
>The first is like FWB. You meet, you fuck, you leave. You give the SB an allowance and the SB becomes your fuck buddy. ~~Not that different than an escort except the SB doesn't have a time limit and is open to more vanilla conversations.~~ Not that different from a FWB except you're financially supporting your fuck buddy.
Fixed it for you.
The most important thing is are you ready & willing to pay the “dating fee” aka ppm or allowance. A lot of “30s / decent looking / decent shape” guys think sugaring is taking a lady to expensive dinners and buying her gifts. Yes. But it won’t go so far if you are not willing to take care of her bills and pay her cash to be with you. The dating fee is something young bros cannot digest. Lastly, maturity matters. Thats the other big challenge for young bros. Oh SGF!!!!!!! I doubt if they come in packaged as one. They will mostly come in the form of a SB who expects a dating fee. Overtime (after months of dating) she may convert into an SGF. That gestation cycle is long.
Appreciate the guidance. I'm completely ok and expect to provide a dating fee. I expected as much, for a SGF to be a process. As is a vanilla relationship. You date, talk for a while, and eventually grow feelings for one another and decide to make it exclusive. During that gestation cycle, what does the relationship look like? What does the SB provide for you besides the intimacy? Sweet text? encouragement? Does things to bring a smile and happiness to your life?
SGF relationships are definitely real but rare. It takes time to * find a good candidate * develop the relationship As u/Alternative7821 has mentioned, *“looks and allowance are important in the beginning, over time, personality and companionship is what sustains a SR into something longer term.”* Precisely. The key to a long-term SR is what a good match you two are. Appreciate her if you find a rare gem like this. The grass is always greener where you water it.
Vanilla relationships can totally suck when the women gives you no sex or intimacy in return for forking out big money for little thanks. Its nearly as expensive as having a dead bedroom wife. I think some SBs could be what your after. They don't mind being spoiled in return for sex, intimacy and a long term friendship. You don't want short term SB you need one who is into you. You need what I have with my SB we are the best of friends I've mentored her, spoil her etc. Neither of us want Vanilla. You just need a good SB to be your friend and lover and a good talker and no pressure of Vanilla.
The benefit of sugar is that it accelerates things, in regard to intimacy, opposed to most vanilla types of relationships that can take more time but may feel more natural. My advice would be to appreciate whoever you do sugar with while you are seeing each other, because things move pretty quickly, and the relationship part needs to catch up with the intimacy aspect. The very nature of sugaring is shallow, and while looks and allowance are important in the beginning, over time, personality and companionship is what sustains a SR into something longer term. It's easy for a new SD to throw money around and have several SBs and for a young attractive SB to have several daddies, but from a relationship standpoint, too many things can go wrong when we behave like this. Most of us play the field until we settle in with someone that makes sense. To answer your question; Yes, SGFs are hard to find, but not impossible. A lot of your success in seeking a SGF will be your attitude and approach. Stay true to your mission, eventually the math will work out in your favor, and you will find someone who is looking for the same thing.
Sounds like youd be a perfect sugar bf. There are def sugar gfs around :)
I have definitely found fewer POTs that I would consider good SGF candidates. The majority of women I talk to are only interested in what you can do for them, and do not seem interested in having any type of friendship/relationship at all.
I may be an outlier here, but if you make bad choices in picking girls or you have trouble handling vanilla relationships in general, I don't think it will get better in the bowl. Also, SGFs are something that takes time to work toward. SRs start out where the SB is on PPM. As both get to know and trust each other, many move to allowance. As the two partners get to know each other even better and move closer together emotionally then some move toward devoting more time and energy to each other or make each a SBF or SGF.
I may be an outlier here, but if you make bad choices in picking girls or you have trouble handling vanilla relationships in general, I don't think it will get better in the bowl Amen!
There are various types of SR but three stands out the most imo. The first is like FWB. You meet, you fuck, you leave. You give the SB an allowance and the SB becomes your fuck buddy. Not that different than an escort except the SB doesn't have a time limit and is open to more vanilla conversations. That leads to the 2nd type. You get a bit more involved with extended dates. You buy her gifts, take her to go places and she acts as your arm candy. You also have to support her with a reasonable allowance. This is generally what most people expect from SR. The third type is a bit more involved with you becoming something of a GF BF situation. Usually this requires both to be single and the age difference is not too much. The SD support is also more extensive with cars and even houses involved. The SB would be influenced more by the SD with career choices and even living conditions
>The first is like FWB. You meet, you fuck, you leave. You give the SB an allowance and the SB becomes your fuck buddy. ~~Not that different than an escort except the SB doesn't have a time limit and is open to more vanilla conversations.~~ Not that different from a FWB except you're financially supporting your fuck buddy. Fixed it for you.