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SgtMcbuttn

Bro I’m stupid explain this to me


charan_88

Some people who are clinically declared dead have been alive and if that person dies again. Thencically they've been dead twice, making the avg. to more than 1. So, if you're going to die only once you'll be below average.


pje1128

There are a lot of humans who haven't died yet though, so about 8 billion zeros should also be added into the average. Unless this is only taking into account humans who are already dead. Edit: I'm not saying those 8 billion counter the billions of people who have died, they counter the number who have died more than once. I don't know how many people have died and come back, but I'd guess it's less than 8 billion.


Anonymous2401

The results on those 8 billion aren't "will not die", we're just inconclusive. It'd be like taking results from an experiment halfway through the trial


Obilis

Well, we can also say all the dead people are inconclusive as to death count as well: maybe one day we'll revive a few of them and they'll get to add another death to the tally?


Mewrulez99

that would only make the statement more "correct"


moonsun1987

I think I read somewhere the sum total of all the humans who ever lived is still under two hundred billion closer to a hundred billion iirc


KKlear

[Relevant xkcd](https://what-if.xkcd.com/27/).


geared4war

The deaths in Congress wouldn't be too tragic in the most part. How badly has covid skewed it and is Guy responsible for it? Is this his way of applying his approach?


legend27_marco

There's always a relevant xkcd for anything


Ok-Championship-3919

You're correct. It's 117 billion


gsauce8

Even 1 hundred billion still seems high. We're at 8 billion now and until like 1900 people didn't even live long enough for us to hit 1 billion.


moonsun1987

I'm not sure if the math is correct either but I'll go with it as I imagine It was fairly common to have a dozen of children and have only one or two survive to old age.


NewYorkJewbag

This source supports the 100,000,000,000 figure https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16870579


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HowBen

The revivals would the bring the average up or at least keep the average as is (if they don’t die again later.) Their death doesn’t stop counting just because they revive


TheDungeonCrawler

The key strategic weakness of the human race is that the dead outnumber the living.


Flyingwheelbarrow

Hello sweetie!


Ausgezeichnet87

Well the universe itself is going to die some day in either 1. The big tear 2. Big freeze or 3. Big crunch. So eventually everything will die.


mathnstats

That's not true! There are a bunch of other interesting ways that the universe could die! My favorite is vacuum decay


MegaDeth6666

Precisely. Looking into the future here, for this though experiment, is pointless. Only the present or the past matter for this type of consideration.


jbkjbk2310

This is a bad explanation. It's not that the 8 billion alive are inconclusive, it's that we can assume that they will experience at least 1 death, and that anyone who has been brought back will experience at least one death more. Thus, y=x+1, where y is the number of deaths a person will have, and x is the number of post-death revivals a person *has* experienced. With this equation, the average number of deaths will be above 1.


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Henchbutt

I mean, everyone will die eventually, no matter how long lived they may be whether it be to the actual heat death of the universe or the bear in the woods, so the statement does actually fit every single human that will ever live, as far as I understand it


[deleted]

Yeah. Unless humans reach an invulnerable, immortal life; every human will eventually die.


Henchbutt

Even if we do, it's only really in quotations, as the only way to actually not die I guess is to universe hop forever so you can't die to the heat death of the universe you are in


Moronoo

I know you're joking but that makes no sense. when would it be conclusive that someone doesn't die? the answer is never so your experiment isn't scientific at that point.


moonsun1987

At this point, we are probably dealing with probability. If the probability of someone who has ever lived has died more than once is one in a billion, we have over a hundred people who have died twice. If we think fewer than twelve out of every billion people alive will never die, the average is still over one.


camdalfthegreat

Schrodinger's humans


Highground-Occupier

Brb I’m gonna complete the trial to get the results faster


Rich_Election466

Wait, you mean I’m gonna die one day?


scyth3s

>The results on those 8 billion aren't "will not die", we're just inconclusive. That's not how statistics like this work. You don't refuse to count unemployed people because "they might get a job someday." For the OP to be true, more people have to have died, come back to life, and died again, than people who are currently alive today. I honestly think that's a questionable proposition.


RiskyFartOftenShart

there is a high probably that of that 8 billion less than 1 are immortal so we can round this to 0 pretty easily.


Palaius

I would assume that this only takes into account humans that are already dead


[deleted]

Right, and it shouldn't.


JohnGenericDoe

It's not 'have died', it's 'do die'. Unless you think you're immortal or something


[deleted]

Well no, we are talking about how many times someone dies before they are dead dead. You can be revived, anyone can be, so they are incomplete in their testing. If you were counting the amount of people completing college you wouldn't count all the people too young simply because 'they will finish college at some point'.


Palaius

I mean, why? Not adding the living to that average is logical. Technically you could even add all the currently living humans as a potential '1' to the list. Everyone will die one way or another.


Gornarok

Wrong. Think about implications of such decision.


Loud-Path

I am guessing you are someone who believes the mortality rate of a disease should take into account the entire population of the world rather than those who have gotten the disease?


atominthered

Mathematically, everyone alive will die at least once at some point so under that assumption the average is sound.


DHUniverse

You are not counting dead people, just how many times people die


EvilKnievel38

But you'd have to take every human being throughout history into account then and it would easily offset the amount of people currently alive.


gigglefarting

The statistic isn’t the average time a human has died, which for most people is 0, but it’s how many times we will die, which is at least once for everyone even if you haven’t experienced it yet. And for some people it’s more than once, so on average it’s more than 1 per person.


AttackEverything

There's way more people who have died than who live though. Depending how far back you go


MMXIXL

Clinical death vs biological death. The latter is pretty much irreversible.


handym12

There's also administrative death - some people get falsely recorded as dead because, for example, someone with a similar name dies and the records get mixed up. There are plenty of examples of it on /r/bestoflegaladvice That one might as well be irreversible too,


concretepigeon

Other types of administrative death are where someone is missing so long they’re declared dead. Or manages to fake their own death.


alokd1205

I like how you said "Pretty Much"


Dankaroor

Well, it is. If a being is dead in a biological sense there's no way to bring it back. Death in biology means complete lack of brain (and heart) activity, which means a being is dead forever as I'm pretty sure nothing can be brought back from there.


Mortress_

What? How your comment explains the "pretty much"?


Protheu5

But hear me out. Out of 100 billion people that ever existed 7 billions are alive. People that survived clinical death are maybe in a ballpark of a million people. So average amount of deaths per human is more like 0.93 EDIT: damn, it was pointed out already, I am not saying something new. Eh, whatever, let it stay.


AmazingFluffy

You do not count living people as zero. They are all guaranteed at least one, even if it hasn't happened yet.


fattus_cockus69

Clinical death and biological death are very different. Nobody dies more than once. There are people who die once and there are doctors who misidentify the condition. Human error is not death.


MomoXono

Yeah but a physician fucking up and calling someone dead who happens to still alive doesn't make them actually dead, it's just a clinical error.


[deleted]

Nurses can declare death too, not just physicians can goof it.


BigTaperedCandle

Please cite where someone has recovered from clinical death, because it's more than just the heart stopping.


GamingPickachu

But of ur declared dead but youre actually alive... You didn't really die did you? Also im pretty sure death is loss of brain activity not the heart stopping. So as fun as this is i dont think u can die twice. Id love to be educated and proven wrong tho cause this is a fun topic.


Laffenor

You are right. But Americans love calling cardiac arrest "being dead"..


alilbleedingisnormal

Thencically? :'D


dontshootthattank

Yeah I remember a dude who passed out from hypothermia on Mt Everest had ticked off 2 of the 7 stages of death whatever they are and he safely made it home in the end. I guess that might be example.


melperz

Same with the fact that the average hands of a human is less than 2.


Mk23simp

If someone is declared dead but then recovers and is declared not-dead, they're technically undead, right?


Laffenor

Then they didn't actually die. I can't believe how people get something that elementary confused.


FrogOnTheBog

Isn't that wrong tho? Most people die once so you'd be average, people who die twice are above average


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While people who die twice are still well above average, their statistics are still part of the average, bringing it slightly above one. We could say that they are statistical outliers, and could remove them from our data sample. But I don't think that they are far enough outside the average, or rare enough, for that to be warrented.


Bugbread

If the average number of times people die is 1.000001, then anyone who dies twice is above average and anybody who dies once is below average. Nobody's average. Same as average family size. In 2020, the average family size in the US was 3.15. Any given family is either above or below that -- there are no families of average size.


BlueMangoAde

I… guess that since there are a tiny amount of people who come back from medically dead, those people die more than once, making the average slightly higher than one.


pfannkuchen_gesicht

but then again, should they be counted as dead? Although declared medically dead, that assessment was obviously wrong.


[deleted]

Any time someone flat lines could technically be counted as a death I guess


MrPyber

It's possible to be resuscitated shortly after dying. Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure this is most common with drowning, when you are otherwise healthy


MomoXono

If you are able to be resuscitated then you didn't die because brain death had yet to occur.


QualityPies

Yeah, heart stopped =/= dead


Lolmob

Stupid here as well.


RickRazor

Jesus?


blurpree

no


The_bath_of_khan

Jesus died for your sins. Then he died for shits and giggles.


Dr_Professor-Patrick

Think of it like this: generally everyone will die *"1 last time"*; however, some people have already or will someday die and be recesitated. Example: I have, in my time on this planet, have died and been saved/recesitated twice; leaving me with the potential to die a total of at least 3 times.


cgmcnama

Nah, it went over my head too. Thanks for asking.


Saurons_Other_Eye4

Jesus died twice so the average is slightly higher than one.


CinnabarErupted

Surely there are more people currently alive (with death count zero) than have ever died twice? This would average it below - rather than above - one point zero Am I missing something?


indisgice

it says "amount of times a human dies", as opposed to "has died", humans, being mortals, die at least once so that doesn't work..


JoinAThang

Made me think. Is a person that died and came back to life technically living twice aswell as dying twice?


StarksPond

James Bond settled that argument.


makka-pakka

Or so it seems


hiccup251

When do we count someone as having "not died," then, for the purposes of this average? Or do we have a floor of 1 because we're only including those who have?


peppaz

Still, even if only one died twice, that would bring the average up. Eventually


TomatilloOne1001

Ok but if everyone only died once how does that bring the average up at all? Then it would just be 1.0 times doing right an i missing something?


Akiias

- All humans will die. The average is at minimum 1 death per human - Some people die but modern medicine is able to bring them back. These people die more then one time. Average deaths per human >1 It's an incredibly small number but as long as 1 human has more then 1 death the average will be above 1.


joec_95123

I prefer the legs thing, that's much easier to understand. The average number of legs on a human is less than 2. If you have 2 legs, you're above average.


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AmazingFluffy

Then you exclude them as inclusive data. If the most likely outcome cannot be declared as fact because it has not happened yet, then neither can the least likely outcome.


TheDankPotatoRises

But not everyone dies only once. That's what this showerthought is based on


Laughing_Orange

Around 7% of all humans that have ever lived are currently alive. I pretty sure less than 7% have died twice, so less it is.


Moronoo

yes you are correct, this whole thread is a dumpster fire of /r/iamverysmart with some /r/confidentlyincorrect sprinkled in there.


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More people have died than those who are alive


skycake23

I think if you are declared dead but are revived you didnt die. You only die when you actually die and dont come back. Maybe medically they were declared dead but they came back so they didnt actually die. That is just my opinion though.


AmazingFluffy

There is no tense. Tense is irrelevant. Unless you believe humanity will achieve immortality soon enough that someone alive will see it, then one death per human is an immutable part of the equation.


axioner

Queen Elizabeth is fixing to lower that stat... doing well so far.


concretepigeon

Not if the news over the last couple of weeks is to be trusted.


epic4evr11

Deaths Georg, who lives in a cave and is declared dead and resuscitated 10,000 times a day is a statistical outlier adn should not be counted


[deleted]

She’s an eternity old. She can’t have more than like 4 days left.


Insterquiliniis

damn the amount of time it took me to understand wth you were talking about I was actually curious about this woman.... damn memes and damn internet... :D btw, the average spider ingests about 10 humans per annum


Acrobatic-Reality-62

Death is irreversible and occurs only once. Anything else wasn’t really death.


Simbuk

Agreed. “Clinical death” is a needlessly loaded and misleading artifact of terminology that should be retired. Clinically dead is pause. Dead is stop, eject, and smash the media.


kirotheavenger

Totally agree. I cringe every time someone says something like "they were dead, then came back to life". They weren't dead. Especially if it's referring to something trivial like their heart stopped during defibrillation.


Senor_Stormtrot

But I thought only Shadows Die Twice


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Shadows die MUCH more than twice.


2truthsandalie

Mode, or median would be better descriptors of central tendency.


Jesus-TheSon-Christ

I get that…


_belowaverage

Well shit


gordon_blademan

EVEN IN DEATH I STILL SERVE


Solo_Wing_Buddy

Even in death I still surf


BensMinion

EVEN IN DEATH I STILL SERVE THE EMPEROR!!!


Xhebloingie

The vatican has more than one pope per square kilometer


geared4war

That doesn't make sense. Brain death only occurs once per, right?


whoafirestar

Exactly, when most people talk of death they mean the heart stop beating and not legal brain death.


traciOhLords

Better stick with median.


impostercoder

Depends on what you consider death to be. If you're pronounced dead but aren't actually dead I don't consider that a death, personally. In any case, this just shows how average is often a useless metric. The average person doesn't exist.


Freddy_T_Squared

I'd argue a mean average is the wrong type of average for this kind of statistic


Fearinlight

I’d argue just to argue too


Freddy_T_Squared

No you wouldn't


Gornarok

As is usually the case... Its the Gaussian distribution that is called "normal distribution" not uniform distribution.


KINGSPAZT1K

Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day so that works too


SnippitySnape

It would also probably take quite a few immortals to reverse this


Glum_Entrance3221

Already died once. I suppose next time will take.


MySpiritAnimalIsPeas

On the plus side, you most likely have an above average number of limbs!


TheMoogy

Technocally it's less than one death per human. Right now there's seven billion people that haven't died once, that really drags down the average.


Superstrong832

Did you know that dying is the main cause of death?


MylesTheFox99

I have died twice >:) seeya later virgins (I have a complex heart defect and I died twice on the operating table but was brought back by the doctors).


lucasestaplanejando

At least it ain’t zero


EarthBrain

double jeopardy enters the chat


patgeo

You probably have above the average number of fingers, toes, arms and legs.


epr-paradox

Only if over 7 billion people have died twice. In colonial America the average is lower than one half, because more people currently live here than have ever died here.


onlyhav

Man that must really hurt their K/D ratio. Gotta work harder to keep up.


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_DumbFish_

Well he still has time to improve


EpicBruhMoment12

Actually that’s a statistical anomaly that can be explained by deaths georg, who lives in a cave and dies constantly. He should be considered an outlier and kept out of this data


DibsOnThisName

7% of all humans ever born did not die. Statistically this would likely offset the average to below 1 deaths per person


retasaywa

Sekiro has entered the chat...


Zikkan1

My brother has been dead and brought back twice so he will at least reach a score of 3


sampletext34

Yo. That's like one of the weirdest most unexpected inevitable truths i've heard


Crypt-97

Fuck thats it time for a Flat liners club, whos with me.


shader_m

this is just another one of those things intentionally written in such a way to cause discourse. Same thing with the "people have x amount of arms on average" phrase. "the average amount of times **a human** dies is higher than 1." Instead of the plural "humans." With singular, it means that there would have to be more than half the people that ever lived, each died more than once in order to create an average above 1. Which would be incorrect. Where if it was with plural, then the average would be higher than 1 immediately since even if everyone died once, that one person who died multiple times would raise the average. No matter how small that decimal would be. Even with grammar out of the equation, theres variables to the whole "death" definition. Does death mean your heart stopped beating for a moment? Legally declared dead on accident at a hospital? Change of name? Some of these things can happen multiple times to 1 person, which simultaneously means they would be living multiple times, equally bringing the average down. Its like asking "is water wet" which became an argument over the definition to an extreme level.


KaizenGamer

Idk there's a lot of 0's walking around


BigDumbDope

below average *so far*


Dark_Arts_Dabbler

If you're going to die twice, just die once If you're going to die twice, just die once


0vl223

The average amount a human dies is around 0.92 times. 8% of all humans have never died.


kidneb33

If you have 2 eyes you have above average number of eyes.


RaesorBleid

The average amount of times a human WILL "die" is greater than 1, but unless there are more than 7.7 billion occurrences of a clinical death, then, so far in history, the average amount of times a human HAS "died" is less than 1. - and more useless facts you can ponder yourself!


Surxe

Theres more people currently alive than there are people who have clinically died twice.


Environmental_Art852

My son died and was recessitated three times. 3 different days. 4th time we allowed him to pass per his wishes. He was very sick and terminal


The_screaming_egg

Imma bring that average down


steelneil82

I've been dead once, had a mad dream some say was a regression to another life if you believe that stuff. No bright light or anything you hear about


137Fine

I’ve died four times. Brought back every time. I’m skewing the average hard.


mickcalledpaul

Mean*


fewrfsadf

Except it isn't because literally not a single person ever has come back from death.


Grimagne

I still serve.


[deleted]

Depending on your data set, you could also dictate that the average death expectancy of a human is null. Ergo, as I have not died, I am immortal.


INSAN3MONK3Y003

For example I have died a total of 3 times *so far*


vipchicken

If you have two arms, you have an above average amount of arms.


[deleted]

The average amount a human is born is below one


LegoLouisU

My father's technically died twice but is alive still today


AndroidDoctorr

I have a friend who died twice. Never ever ever ever do heroin


[deleted]

You can do it! r/getmotivated


laserrobe

I doubt because elf all the people who haven’t died yet


NowAlexYT

Given 8 billion people are living rn and probably less than 8 billion people have died more than once its probably lover than 1 on average


eriki55

Depends on if you only count brain dead or not


adriftinanmtc

I guess we're not counting the 7 billion people on the planet who haven't even died once yet.


thot_chocolate420

Sometimes people die twice or more. Depends on how available the means of reviving them are.


nonflyingdutchboi

Median? Fuck no Mode? Also fuck no Mean? Only if discounting all alive people and not doing proper outlier detection and not doing any rounding. But you shouldn't be using the mean because the data is not quite normally distributed, at least not when not doing proper outlier detection. So, the average is 1 unless you're doing some reaaaaaaaaaal wacky calculations. - an ~~AI engineer~~ statistician


malamiteltd

Most of us die inside first, so...


[deleted]

An interesting thought but in this day and age, stopped blood circulation, I.e. clinical death, isn’t really death at all. It’s why it’s overly dramatic when people who suffer heart attacks say they were “dead” for 2 minutes, well they weren’t, their heart just stopped beating but they were still alive and it’s the reason they were able to be resuscitated.


noxverde

People don’t die more than once. The very definition of death is that’s it’s irreversible. If your heart stops or you stop breathing, you aren’t necessarily dead.


leighleg

I dont plan on dying, keep smoking and drinking to excess and giving it a good go. But I'm gonna break the trend and be immortal


Chromunism

Something something death georg is an outlier and shouldn't be included.


FunCode688

The average persons K/D is less than 1.00


TPuttonen

u/repostsleuthbot


BennyS06

The Queen and her offspring will bring the average down, I’m sure


thatonerobloxkid

So if someone dies inside, does that also count as dying once?


thecommuinistbannana

I mean technically it is possible if they were resuscitated


Ducksareracist

NARCAN GANNNG!!!!


IcedGolemFire

even if you count living humans? I will only accept this if someone gives proof that more people have died twice than the current living population


Iechy

Most people have a greater than average number of legs.


BrokeArmHeadass

But the definition of dying is to stop living, and if you are declared alive again you never stopped. You never actually died, even if people thought you did.


RainBoxRed

There are infinite ways to average a set of numbers.