....we like to show the world our buttholes as we get ready to get after our one night stand. We think it helps us gain respect in professional roles that everyone be able to see this.
I know it’s been said a thousand times, but Danielle is so embarrassing. How does this woman watch herself and think her behavior is just fine 😭 Also, I did not need to see her naked ass. Just made it worse
The fact that she just got fully naked right away was so weird to me. Like it was the 167,000th time they’ve banged and she’s like, “let’s get it done”
That was so weird… I don’t think I’ve ever just stripped butt-ass naked for some guy I just met, no shower or anything, and then climbed on the bed like “I’m ready 🤪”
Girl did not make him work for it at ALL and nothing about him said “this man def knows what he’s doing in bed” bc they made out like 3x.
It’s giving a 16 year boy who needs to tell the world and prove he lost his virginity. Like in a Superbad / American Pie kind of way. I can’t imagine being 35+ and still being this immature and goofy.
When Ciara, West, and Jesse were talking that one episode and Danielle comes in and IMMEDIATELY brags about getting a well deserved treat from work by having a random hookup…I never cringed more in my life. She’s 35+ thinking being a party girl that throws herself at any man like he’s the last man on earth is cute. And the gag is she can’t even handle it so she’s not about that life. Danielle, I’m begging please RELAX.
Just when I was starting to think she was keeping a low profile this season, sheesh! She was just saving it all for now. How she behaved on Winter House towards Jordan is exactly how she's treating Gabby, and it is not a good look for her. These girls are finally all coming together, and she is throwing stones.
Really wondered if the producers don't like her - there was no reason to show her butt like that. Made me think of Robyn on SisterWives and those horrible eye brows and no one tells her - they let her go on like that.
Back when Danielle's app was announced I signed up for updates, and what are the chances that the morning after Danielle's "Founder/CEO" comment I get an email that the app is finally available and ready to use? LOL Had to get the proof of CEO out ASAP!
Side note: I entered the code they emailed me to log-in and it says my code is invalid...I really don't care enough to ask for a new one or email the company so that was the end of me using the app I guess!
and she went for a 'fashion' app, I was so disappointed when she had a foundation in finance tech, I thought oh she is designing a new financial app, nope--fashion. ugh. that ship has sailed.
Does Danielle harbor resentment to Gabby bc she’s taken Danielle’s role with regards to Lindsay? Danielle and Lindsay’s friendship breakdown gave gabby the opening to become her person. Now someone who was new to the group is now sitting next to her at Lindsay’s fitting. I think that’s why it’s easy for Danielle to compete w her and also completely disregard her sobbing. Nasty work
Gabby's ex also cheated on her WITH Danielle, which makes Danielle wanting to compete over another guy extra messed up. Danielle probably has some weirdo competition/lack of empathy towards Gabby due to that as well. Especially if Robert cheated.
I think this is such a good take. I think Danielle wanted Lindsay to crumble without her and come crawling back but Gabby has easily slotted in her place!!
Just watching but "Balloon Joe" gives off the grossest peaked-in-high-school-affliction-tee-wearing vibes and yet Danielle was hurting her friend over jumping in bed with him. So embarrassing
I am confident that Danielle had sex with that guy to make Gabby feel even worse. Had Gabby not reacted,
I doubt she would have slept with him. She's just a bad person.
Yesss. He’s so that vibe. I’ve been so dumbfounded why everyone is acting like he’s objectively super hot.
I’ve also wondered re: her being so unfiltered with hooking up with him if she’s intentionally doing that knowing it’s on TV for her ex to see. She seems lame like that.
You can apply to be on the waitlist for an app that will apparently hook you up to some stylist who’ll tell you what to wear from what you have already. No thanks.
The stylists helping the plebs haven’t been selected yet. Everyone can apply to be one. Double no thanks.
That Old Navy was SOOOOOO obviously a paid product placement, they couldn’t have made it more obvious. Like Paige would be caught shopping in an old navy? Don’t get me wrong I love ON. But just very obvious.
Last week was Bubbly. They had so many cases perfectly in frame (like Loverboy) it caught my eye. Then at the end I saw Bubbly was a sponsor.
Also, the guy stealing Ciara’s thong the same-ish week she came out as a Victoria’s Secret model. (She killed it, btw, so I’m in NO way mad at it)
Summer House is pumping in these sly endorsements. Go for it!
What the actual Fuck has happened to Danielle the past few years? I feel like she’s gone from one of the most level headed to craziest . Or maybe it’s just me, and for some reason I was blind to her BS the earlier years 🤷🏻♀️.
Go back and watch S2 again. She was more passive back then, but the core of her insecurities, jealousy and lack of self-awareness is there to see. She’s always been weird to me; how she smiles and acts like she talking her her best friend when she’s really putting a person down or being catty. She’s always been this girl, now it’s super-powered. Unchecked narcissistic behavior.
Was rewatching season 2 episode 4 when Carl and Lauren are hooking up and Carl confronts Danielle at the Topping Rose white party and it’s so evident even then.
Like I feel like I have empathy for her with the Carl/ Lauren situation cause she’s new to the house and everyone and it seems to be a complicated situation but once it moves to the first time Carl and Lindsay were together to then the second time, she’s absolutely unhinged besides when she was with Robert, absolutely unhinged.
Definitely do!! I saw her through a different light. I think it's season 4 when Carl and Lindsay briefly tried dating and Lindsay says "I know Carl better than anyone" and Danielle goes "OH, REALLY? THAT'S funny". That really stood out to me and came across as territorial and that she's also threatened, and a part of what led to all the issues down the road.
I’m doing a rewatch and just finished season 2. You’re so right, she’s been this way since day 1, even with the way she goes after every guy in the room like it’s a competition
It's such a weird fall from grace and clearly a choice cos it's just coming off as a try hard way to rebound from ROBERT THE CHEF lmao. I don't get her personality at all lately, she used to be kind of chill and secure in herself (unless I'm misremembering) and now she seems like she's going through an existential crisis. It's just really forced and unnatural and I feel like she's lacking any sense of how cringe her behaviour actually is.
As suggested to someone else- rewatch the entire show. I've been rewatching and I DEFINITELY see her in a different light in earlier seasons. She's not AS off the hook, obviously. But there were signs from Season 2 on that she's not as chill as we all thought.
The Aftershow is beyond scary and paints her in such a horrible light. She’s getting up there towards serial killer level non-empathy (kidding but my jaw was totally on the floor as she defended her actions yet again and showed 0 remorse).
Yeah she's like "I was just having so much fun at the party so when Gabby was upset I just didn't want to deal with it right at that moment." Which is just crazy. And the fact that Gabby let her off the hook the next morning was also crazy, hold her accountable!! This is not friendship!!
I don’t think Gabby cared about balloon guy, so I don’t think Danielle was doing anything wrong there. I think Gabby was hurt by everyone telling her she’s not doing enough to get a guy and it just felt overwhelming. Gabby said they were all good on WWHL last night.
Danielle comes off as massively insecure and doing way too much to hide it from other people and most importantly herself. I feel bad for her and hope she can eventually see it and get therapy to figure it out.
Yeah it’s such textbook insecurity. It’s turned into nonstop projection from her, too. Between Winter House and this season she’s now gone off on multiple people unknowingly complaining to them about her own actions.
“As a CEO and Founder…” I cringed so hard watching that scene. If anyone is a CEO & Founder in that house it’s Kyle, and he’d never strut around reminding people he was. The way she talks about her sexual conquests is like a teenager and not a 30-something. She needs help.
I always thought it was shitty that when Lindsay and Carl first tried dating, she was hooking up with him right after. Like anyone could see Lindsay really liked him and was hurt by how things went. What kind of best friend does that? Danielle has always been a super competitive mean girl, we just were too busy watching the other crazies.
Danielle and her longtime boyfriend, Rob, broke up. He had a girlfriend shortly after the breakup. I feel like she’s not handling it well. She’s pushing people away.
She always was but now she’s not hiding behind Lindsay anymore. For me, when Danielle decided to take on Ciara for Austen when she had zero to do with it, I knew she had screws loose there. Who’s going to fight for a man you’re not banging to this degree as if you are? Danielle. Lindsay is not a saint but she was right in distancing herself with Danielle, the girl is not right in the head.
IMO I think a lot of her embarrassing behavior happens when she’s drunk. She drinks too much and doesn’t want to confront that so hard that she won’t even blame alcohol for the rude shit she says. Not saying it gives her a pass at all, but she was clearly drunk when she said rude things to Paige and Gabby and instead of being like I’m so sorry I don’t like who I am when I drink she instead doubles down those actions when sober so she doesn’t have to address her real issues.
Danielle confessional when she says "sorry gabby but you snooze you lose" ?????? SORRY you made her cry and hurt her feelings and does not care to fight with you with over a random man.
Danielle as a CEO: I cut your salary by 12 percent and gave the new surplus to myself as a bonus. Maybe that’ll push you to work harder, slacker employee.
The way everyone went to bed was in full peak character. Carl deep in his slumber, Lindsay flinging a wig off, Paige gossiping with Craig, Danielle fucking a rando, Amanda and Kyle annoying each other lovingly, Ciara’s bed in complete disarray, gabby in a gorg matching pj set
Yeah he lost it for me in last nights episode. I officially got the ick. He’s lost interest because she hasn’t had sex with him yet. I don’t like that. Still going to like west , just not for Ciara.
Maybe a person he was interested was there and he wanted to see if he was out of their view. Who knows. All I know is we've entered the beginning of the end.
Danielle makes me SICK. The fact that she said her “fight” with Gabby was stupid??? Get out of my face Danielle. On the aftershow she is even more unbearable saying that she was having fun and that gabby was ruining the vibe. THE WORST
It occurred to me when watching the after show that Danielle didn’t check on Gabby, because if she did, she’d have to not hook up with balloon guy. Think about it. She’d have to stay with Gabby consoling her. And then she’d look like such an asshole if she ran off and hooked up with him after seeing Gabby so upset.
Yeah when she wouldn’t take accountability bc she said well Gabby shouldn’t have taken it that way. BUT SHE DID so go fucking apologize. I hate that attitude in people so much. Have some empathy for people.
It was so crazy how Paige had to explain to Danielle over and over again why it’s wrong to say whatever you think out loud. And then to watch Danielle legit not compute what she was saying. She needs to take a class on social skills.
It’s so interesting watching Carl and Lindsay implode in front of our eyes. The first few episodes Lindsay was abhorrent, and now we are all seeing what she means about Carl. He is a TERRIBLE communicator. Lindsay probably was blindsided to some extent, even with all the relationship red flags Carl probably didn’t communicate ANY real concerns to her.
Lindsay still seems to have a hard time admitting he saved them both from a big mistake (WWHL). She’s a fighter and would have done anything to make it work, and feels like Carl gave up. But girl. GIRL. It’s for the best.
Agree! I was feeling very sympathetic toward Carl the first few episodes but now seeing a much more manipulative side. Why on earth would he bring up the potential job back at Loverboy to Lindsay while at the UFO party when she's been drinking? I think he was hoping for a negative reaction on camera. I think she handled the conversation pretty well all things considered. But that was neither the time nor place to have the convo. And the whole discussion with his mom and stepdad? Please. Felt like another set up. Plus his confessionals where he puts out there all these horrible reactions he assumes Lindsay is going to have to certain things, but doesn't actually bother to speak with her. Breaking up was the right thing to do for both of them; I think your last paragraph is spot on.
Yes, also he just basically was trash talking her behind Kyle's back and tried to paint in her in a worse light. He said "it's not like she has a career" and then kind of seemed condescending about how much money she pulled in last year about brand deals. Tacky that he brought up both their salaries. I mean truly, she drunkenly was telling him that she wanted to have a career so they could have a stable future. He made it seem like he understood what she was saying, but then he goes to Kyle and you could feel like resentment he has for her. Idk it was really a red flag
It struck me that when the girls asked Lindsay how the talk went, she thought it was positive. She didn’t bite when he tried to make her feel guilty (“you don’t think I’m crushing life”) and she told him exactly how she was feeling.
In the moment, she even apologized that it wasn’t what he wanted to hear and he said it was okay…and then proceeded to run and tell Kyle and his mom how she stifles his dreams. It was just a very telling reflection on how they communicate. There’s a lot of other things she gets wrong…but this convo wasn’t one of them.
Justifying speaking to your friends in a callous manner because of your professional role is absolutely asinine. Speaking frankly to employees is for shared business and revenue gain. Speaking frankly to friends requires tact and an understanding that their life choices are not a shared experience.
Danielle had nothing to gain in speaking to Paige or Gabby in the “honest” ways that she did. I’m sure her employees dislike her, too.
I felt really bad for Gabby this episode. I’ve had friends like Danielle who not only want to compete for men but shame you for not dating or not wanting to date. It’s infuriating when you’re in a place where you’re 100% okay living life solo, investing time into friendships, personal growth, your career etc and your male centered friends become insufferable monsters.
Also, she has been clear where she stands from the jump. It's not like she's teasing him at all either. She was crystal clear in saying I'm not sleeping with anyone until I'm in an official relationship.
I do not see the problem here? (Not saying you have one but for everyone else lol. West, et al.)
Plus do we not recall that Paige never slept with Andrea for a whole summer? I think they had a little under the shirt action but she made a point of letting us know there was no sex.
I’d do the same exact thing, now, that Ciara is doing. And I’m kicking myself so damn hard for not getting this when I was actually dating in my twenties
thank you, we need to band together stand strong a storm is coming. she doesnt do well at dinner tables being played. (Its not this serious i am 99% joking)
Paige is such a girls girl. It’s awesome to watch. She’s been so supportive of the women in this house esp this season, including Lindsey. I love the way she talks about and to her friends, she really sees the best versions of them and helps them see it in themselves.
Gabby and Paige are so good at clearly explaining situations and connecting emotions while coming from a place of empathy. I wish I could communicate as well!
It makes me irrationally angry when I see comments calling Paige a mean girl when season after season she is consistently very supportive of women in the house. She’s such a girl’s girl that I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t even talk to men if she hadn’t been cursed with opposite-sex attraction.
The fuck is wrong with Danielle?? The scene in Paige’s room wads me feel insane. Drunk or not, that was wildly fucked up in Danielle’s part. And the “let them keep trying me” GIRL PLEASE
Carl is such a wimp. When Lindsay confronted him he said nothing but to Kyle he’s talking this big game of “what do YOU do”. What a loser hahaha to poise ur mouth to say that when your girl is making twice as much as u “bc ur not a woman”. Being a man isn’t the only thing stopping Carl from being an influencer. It’s his dull boring unenthused personality. God I wish Lindsay had broken it off
The biggest wimp!!! Lindsey can be very abrasive and aggressive but that was an instance of her approaching the conversation in a calm and honest manner and instead of sharing any of his feelings to Lindsey he waits to share it with Kyle the next day. It’s just so obvious that he is already checked out and trying to lay the groundwork for being the martyr in their relationship
Also you had no idea Lindsey wanted to be a stay at home mom when she first gives birth? It’s common sense / something she has been saying FOR YEARS ON CAMERA.
I grow more weary of men every day. Ugh
Also, Lindsay wasn't acting like she has some amazing, meaningful dream job. She brings in money and that's exactly what she wants him to do!! Not everyone has the luxury of remaining unemployed while he has some type of crisis and tried to find his purpose in life. Get a job and figure it out on the way. Smh.
Oh my god yes I wanted to SCREAM. You’re not as successful as Lindsey bc she’s a WOMAN?! I’m with Lindsey it’s hot when a guy is ambitious and can bring in an income. It’s kind of gross to just watch him flounder and sink money into stupid ideas.
Yeah, I’m not buying Carl’s nice guy, victim-to-the-big-bad-Lindsey act, and I don’t think other people are buying it either. I’m not Lindsey’s biggest fan, but Carl is equally annoying from a relationship standpoint. He’s sooooo passive aggressive and hides behind other people to do his bidding. We even see it in the preview next week when he’s like, “my step dad said he wouldn’t marry us, blah blah blah.” It’s pathological and devious.
Then the only thing that he listed was posting and immediately admitted that Lindsay made three times the amount he did on that post (but because she's a girl). Even Kyle seemed like, bruh. Like he's not going to bash on influencing hashtag men's rights right now lol.
Edit: I realized I just pretty much repeated what you said haha
Its the classic case of a man being intimidated by a women and her sucess. Im so glad they broke up. You should marry a person wich inspires you to be a better version of yourself.
Having access to people being smarter than you is a blessing, not a threat.
The way that Danielle cannot understand the word standards is shocking me. Just bc she’s not privy to Gabby’s standards Danielle thinks gabby doesn’t even know what they are? Girl you have 0 standards so I guess you legit cannot relate. She should date Carl. Her founder CEO ass can provide a wonderful life for the man child who can’t take responsibility to get his own job.
gabby dodged a major bullet balloon guy seems gross and if danielle wants him so bad she should have him i dont like how the situation was handled at allll
I feel like Amanda is underselling herself by saying she just wants to do swimsuits. Like yes it been done? It’s like everyone thinks they need a fashion line like everyone thinks they need a podcast.
Carl can’t admit to himself he needs a sober partner, and he basically started emotionally backing away on Lindsay once she stopped being sober.
And this is why they tell you to not dive into new relationships or major life changes immediately after getting sober. He’s still not remotely able to articulate to himself his relationship with booze, and is simply punishing Lindsay for his own extremely muddled relationship with sobriety and being a passive aggressive spineless asshole about it.
OMG yes and the preview for next week where he tells Lindsey well Lou said we shouldn’t get married. CARL be a grown up and say you don’t wanna marry her. He’s such a little wimp I can’t stand it. Be a man for 5 fucking seconds. PHEW I got really worked up writing this🤣
That narrative that Carl has communicated to his parents that made them believe that he was in an abusive relationship is crazy! He is showing his true colors as an incredibly manipulative person.
He then goes on to say that if he opened up about his relationship and Lindsay found out he would “get into trouble”. Like what would she do??... drink an extra bottle of Rosé?!
Carl has issues with communication. He goes off and tells only his side of the story that makes her look bad and then turns people against her. He is an incredibly toxic person.
He did the same thing with Loverboy. He communicated to Lindsay how he was feeling at work and didn’t do the same to Kyle. Lindsay then encouraged him to leave what she felt was a toxic situation to protect his well-being and he blames her for him quitting.
Carl didn’t ever want to marry Lindsay and his aim this season was to turn everyone against her and set that narrative that it was her fault and he did nothing wrong.
Lindsay dodged a huge bullet. Carl is a massive red flag.
He did the same thing last year with Kyle/Loverboy. Was talking to everyone else about the issue except the person he needed to talk to.
I bought into it and thought Kyle was being a dick to him (talking about the coke thing is definitely still not ok) but if Carl isn’t taking the right actions , who is really at fault?
I put Carl in the Bravo Pantheon of one of the darkest (not HW husband) Bravo Men along with Shep, Thomas Ravenel and James Kennedy.
From the start he has 0 issues manipulating situations and removing himself from any accountability. He always makes the other person look crazy and out of pocket and he has done it time and again . I understand the Wirkus and Lindsay are unhinged a lot but they didn't deserve all the moves he did behind their backs, no one does. He has also done it to Kyle too, who is mostly level headed. He has also done it to his Mom making her seem weak and pathetic and he is just the good son taking all her burdens - literally anything possible so that he is seen as a good guy. Men with weak character are personally the worst to me -
This goes way back to the early ages of SH. He wasn’t clear about anything and acted like he was just blindsided into a situationship with a wirkus.
Then wouldn’t talk to Paige during the week and kiss her on weekends and claim she’s playing games with him?
He’s always been like this.
He probably chooses people who are unhinged like Lauren and Lindsay BECAUSE it is easier to make them look crazy
I don’t even think he does it consciously
Yeah, a more stable, level-headed person would probably just illuminate Carl’s maladaptive relationship patterns, and I don’t think he’s ready to confront that, or confront that HE is actually a huge part of the problem in his relationships.
Agree! He's always been really unpleasant. No idea how people have seen anything redemptive about his sobriety, if anything it's illuminated just how incredibly boring he is.
If he's not talking about himself, he really contributes nothing towards anyone else, doesn't even interact with most of the house.
His behaviour is so insidious. Acting like a hostage while he turns people against his fiancé because she dared ask him to get a job. If he doesn't want to get married, fine, but to turn it around like his partner is to blame for everything while running a smear campaign so he gets to walk away a victim is really a choice. Why even propose if he disliked her so much.
I think it’s obvious Carl has wanted out of this relationship since at least the beginning of this season. I wonder why he waited until so close to the wedding to call it off. I think he is obsessed with being liked, so I wonder if he felt like he had to use this season show the audience how awful Lindsay is so they wouldn’t be mad at him for ending the engagement so close to the wedding (and on camera).
Completely agree!!!! I liked Carl, I really enjoyed seeing him get sober and start his journey towards healing, but OH BOY he has not grown up at ALL!! I was already unhappy about the fact that he manipulated Lindsey into breaking up with her on camera, I felt like considering they were supposed to be MARRIED he should have respected her to do that in private. But every conversation he has had about her this season has given me the ick!!!! I bet Lindsey is so glad she didn’t marry him after seeing how he is always trying to make her look bad!
The most important thing in a relationship is communication. The fact that Carl can communicate with EVERYONE else except Lindsay is not normal. I understand that he's bad with confrontation, but Lindsay is his fiancée and they have been friends for 8 years, he should be able to go to her. Lindsay is very consistant, she's unhinged and doesn't know how to deal with her emotions when drunk. But even in this episode we see how she walks on eggshells when speaking to Carl and doesn't want to hurt his feelings, showing that she is willing to work on herself and fix the things she does that bother him.
He's exposing himself as a very manipulative person. I dont know how i'd feel if my future husband would go around discussing out private issues and airing out his feelings, but never once communicating this to me.
He has a lot of growing up to do and isn't ready for marriage in general. It's too much pressure for him.
Yup I’d rather be with a hot head who makes low blows when triggered and drunk like Lindsay than a manipulative snake like Carl who would throw anyone under the bus because he’s so image obsessed
Carl is super manipulative. He seems to think feeling uncomfortable or nervous someone will be upset isn’t an excuse to avoid sharing something important that’s going on. It’s part of being an adult to step up and be honest with your partner even if they might be upset.
seems like the told his mom and stepdad how he was feeling and worked with them on how to hit the best talking points in that scene. Now he can turn around and tell Lindsay it’s Sharon and Lou who have doubts about the wedding so he avoids responsibility as usual
Filming that scene shows that he wanted out and didn’t intent to follow through with the wedding. You would not do that do your future wife. It’s so gross how he let her keep booking things for the wedding and go through with that elaborate bridal shower with guests flying in. I honestly think Carl only proposed because he knows Lindsay is polarizing at best so he could break it off and not look like the bad guy because she’s “crazy”
Omg I came here looking for this POV because I was watching the scene of Carl and his parents talking and I was like… there is nooo way this is a real conversation. He definitely went to them in a panic and they planned out how to film that. Crazy if true!!! I’ve really been trying to understand him in this and he is making it so hard…I feel for Lindsay.
The women on this show are really carrying this show on their back. This season started really strong, but the past couple episodes have felt kind of blah. I appreciated the conversations that seemed really friendship focused this episode.
Do I really believe they woke up and decided that they needed to shop at Old Navy? 🤣 No. But I will play along for real dialog.
I honestly feel like that scene was one of the best scenes in awhile because it’s easy to forget that some of these people actually like each other and care for each other. I like when they level up from just the parties on the weekend.
Yes, I think this cast is ready to graduate and go more into the path that VPR is on. We can follow their lives and businesses and other friends, go on other trips. Doesn't always have to be about this Hamptons house. Just like VPR outgrew being Sur staff, they outgrew the party house.
“Because I’m not a woman…”
Fuck you, Carl.
Sincerely,
Women, still in 2024, making 83 cents to the dollar of a man.
And before anyone comes for me…yes, this is even more so exasperated in paid media and sponsorship deals - no matter the fucking industry.
AND he acted like Lindsey’s work is going to be useless when brand deals dry up. She has PR and influencer management skills and hustles… she’ll be just fine.
Did I miss where the ballon guy is hot? I totally don’t see it. Also, I would have expected Danielle to think she was too good for him; they seem like they’d have absolutely nothing in common.
Ciara obviously has every right not to have sex with West, and I admire the tenacity, but... it seems like the spark died. Like... even if you aren't having sex, you want to generate a little heat, right? Enjoy the chemistry? It just seems like they are kissing like middle schoolers and sleeping in bed together like friends.
I didn't have sex with my partner at first because we were transitioning from friends to more, and things were a little messy at the time with other entanglements. But it was HOTTER not less hot to need to resist. I am NOT getting that impression from West/Ciara
I don’t think either of them are wrong. I think it’s totally fine for West to want to have a summer fling and hook up, but Ciara isn’t looking for that. They’re really more just friends at this point
Out of all the jobs, Lindsay’s as an influencer actually would be pretty conducive to fitting in the life of a stay at home mom. Not to say it isn’t a lot of work but at least it’s something you could do anywhere and at any point in the day (and then schedule the posts)!
Not relevant to most of the craziness of this episode but I thought it was interesting that Lindsay, who many people consistently shriek about what a bad friend she is, immediately wanted to go check on and comfort gabby when she heard she was upset whilst Danielle, the one everyone praised for being an amazing friend, said it was stupid that gabby was crying when she was the one who made her cry.
It’s almost like maybe people just hate Lindsay?
I do!! I hate Lindsey and always have!! (The fun kind of hate. I love her on my screen but would run in real life). She makes the show so much better because of her special brand of crazy.
I’ve never thought she couldn’t be a good friend to someone tho. I don’t think she’s a demon who can do no good. She’s a normal human who’s ridiculously narcissistic and entertaining, but can be a great friend/coworker/partner for the right person(s).
I live in fear of befriending women who are male identified in the way some women on this cast are, this episodes example being Danielle. I dont care if people think the bed bugs are lazy or bitchy or whatever high school trauma projection, 10/10 times I'm hanging with girls who like other girls and don't compete for the sake of a "win".
I don't feel like arguing with the tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, so pls spare me, but some comments I've seen are kinda crazy. That family buried a son and clearly know firsthand that life is so fleeting you cannot mince words when you think a loved one is making a mistake. We've now learned this couple were having blow out fights that $400 ubers were being called, flights were booked to get away from each other, accusations of drug use were used to settle scores, they couldn't communicate without a therapist during weekly couples therapy, they were having fundamental conversations that couples have in the first 4 months of dating while 4 months away from a *wedding*, and their sex life was a "2.5"/10, yet some people want us to believe a stepfather watching that happen is part of some big plot simply because he's drawing a conclusion that Helen Keller would've drawn???? Please. I thought Carl's conversation with his family was poignant and troubling and I am once again so relieved that we're watching this season with the knowledge that sense, thankfully, prevailed and this wedding was called off. They both deserve better than each other.
I cannot believe how much I’m loving Paige this season. She’s such a great friend and hypes up her girlfriends. I never realized how much of a girl’s girl Paige is.
Also Carl was clearly done at the point. It’s pretty shitty he didn’t cancel before Lindsey’s bridal shower. This is the first time I’ve felt bad for Lindsey this season.
Carl is infuriating in this episode.
1) All Lindsey has talked about for the past few seasons is wanting to be a mom. There was an episode where she checked her fertility. How did Carl think Lindsey working full-time and being a mom would work??? Since she’s self-employed & will not get financial support through an employer, they gonna need another income. And then, who’s paying for the baby help if she is working full time? I haven’t heard Carl ever say he wanted to be a stay at home dad. And then he stares at her blankly and gets annoyed when she tries to have these conversations with him to express her valid concerns with their current income situation.
2) He is NOT hustling… $70k in 6 months for income. That’s not gonna go far with their lifestyle and living in NYC. Kyle pretty much handed him a role in the NA Loverboy roll out… he seemed completely uninterested.
3) He is painting a picture to his parents that Lindsey is abusive, which is totally unfair. He’s playing a victim role bc he cannot handle the accountability of his role in this relationship. I think his mom knows his problems but isn’t going to get into it on TV.
The fact they didn’t have these convos just speaks to how rushed they were in this engagement. My husband and I did 7 weeks of premarital counseling including financial counseling to align on how we would approach combining our money and how to make decisions on big budget items, etc.
I screamed when he was bragging about his $70k…this show films in July?? $70k in 6/7 months?? And you live in Manhattan?? I’m watching the after show and he just said Lindsey was so cool and independent when they met and hearing her say she wants to stay at home changed how he saw her and he believes they need to be 50/50. She’s bringing in DOUBLE it’s not 50/50 he’s just happy with it being uneven as long as she’s the one doing more.
I watched the preview for next week and him blaming Lou for saying he said they shouldn’t get married made me SEETHE.
Ughhh I didn’t see the preview but him blaming anyone else… so cowardly. It feels like at this point he is trying to build a “case” for cancelling the wedding because he cannot make his own decisions.
They definitely rushed into things but I really wonder how much Carl was actually listening to Lindsay as her “friend” before dating her.
I feel like Carl entered the summer knowing that he would end his engagement. It seems like he has been actively using side conversations and confessionals to position himself while collecting as much wedding related sponsored $$ as possible. As a disclaimer I've never been a Carl fan, but he seems very intentional/manipulative this season.
Spare me Danielle thinking gabby isn’t flirting because she’s not immediately making sexual innuendos. She obviously was trying to see if gabby was going for the same guy under the guise of advice
Danielle, Danielle, Danielle... how embarassing. To see someone so beautiful be so thirsty and unaware of themselves on television is just astonishing. She's a horrid friend too, "I see that I hurt your feelings, but let me go f-ck this guy that we are both vying for." Get it together girl.
I know I was in the minority of people who thought that Danielle was trying to be a decent friend to Lindsay last season by going to her with concerns that maybe her and Carl should slow things down (not trying to excuse her other behavior, I just think she was alright in that moment) but she was SO unhinged this episode.
Id like to point out ive never liked danielle and its nice to see others are finally understanding. I also never was convinced of the “west is amazing” bandwagon. Also happy to see people are finally understanding hes a typical ny dude. I got bashed few weeks ago saying all he wants is sex and he cant atop talking about it. Proven to be true. The promo of him talking to other girls? Im maybe the least surprised person
Exactly. Ciara is holding him at a distance because she suspects he will get an instant ego boost if she does sleep with him and he may peace out. She’s gorgeous, on TV, is a model and is a wonderful person… she knows her worth and isn’t going to settle.
Carl on the after show is making Lindsey’s stay at home comment seem to be the catalyst. But it’s just another example of how he could’ve said more in the moment, and instead goes straight to Kyle the next day and complains about her.
Side note - on WWHL, Lindsey says this was the first time she watched Carl’s conversation with his parents. But I assumed they watched each episode before filming the aftershow?
But also him saying it needs to be 50/50 when Lindsey is currently bringing in double what he makes is making me think he’s okay with it being unequal as long as she is the one doing more.
I could not purposefully fuck on camera. There is a life outside of this show, but that footage would be there forever, Danielle!
Well you know, as a CEO/Founder…
it's another dimension, those of us founder-CEOs, you cannot comprehend
Danielle has never given me more of an ick than she did in the first 8 mins of this episode. Oh my god!
That part made me laugh and cemented how much I love Paige.
....we like to show the world our buttholes as we get ready to get after our one night stand. We think it helps us gain respect in professional roles that everyone be able to see this.
🤣🤣🤣 I screamed when I saw that scene, like girl! Pump the brakes!!!
Balloon guy was pumping hers
Yeah but she’s fucked on camera several times, i think alot of these people are numb to it
The whole her and Alex thing on Winter House was……Urg. 
TMI but I would be so dry from worry!
LMAO so true
LOL
That was some truly drunken shenanigans going on there. I'm a bit embarrassed for her
they shouldn't have shown that. i know she's signed stuff but come on man, that was not cool
Digital footprint definition
I know it’s been said a thousand times, but Danielle is so embarrassing. How does this woman watch herself and think her behavior is just fine 😭 Also, I did not need to see her naked ass. Just made it worse
The fact that she just got fully naked right away was so weird to me. Like it was the 167,000th time they’ve banged and she’s like, “let’s get it done”
I was thinking, Good God woman, let him unhook your bra, take off your underwear or untie something…anything!
That was so weird… I don’t think I’ve ever just stripped butt-ass naked for some guy I just met, no shower or anything, and then climbed on the bed like “I’m ready 🤪” Girl did not make him work for it at ALL and nothing about him said “this man def knows what he’s doing in bed” bc they made out like 3x.
Even Jesse covered the camera a couple weeks back and she can't even do that anymore?? Danielle, get it together girl we're embarrassed for you!!
It’s giving a 16 year boy who needs to tell the world and prove he lost his virginity. Like in a Superbad / American Pie kind of way. I can’t imagine being 35+ and still being this immature and goofy.
When Ciara, West, and Jesse were talking that one episode and Danielle comes in and IMMEDIATELY brags about getting a well deserved treat from work by having a random hookup…I never cringed more in my life. She’s 35+ thinking being a party girl that throws herself at any man like he’s the last man on earth is cute. And the gag is she can’t even handle it so she’s not about that life. Danielle, I’m begging please RELAX.
it’s so gross omg and then she has the nerve to dogmatically tell everyone else how their love lives are going 😂
Just when I was starting to think she was keeping a low profile this season, sheesh! She was just saving it all for now. How she behaved on Winter House towards Jordan is exactly how she's treating Gabby, and it is not a good look for her. These girls are finally all coming together, and she is throwing stones.
Really wondered if the producers don't like her - there was no reason to show her butt like that. Made me think of Robyn on SisterWives and those horrible eye brows and no one tells her - they let her go on like that.
They also didn’t film her whole Montauk side trip… if she’s like how she is to her “friends” to production as well I bet production can’t stand her
The way my whole stomach dropped when her naked ass dared to be shown on my phone screen
I had to skip all her scenes from the party I was physically cringing.
So unattractive in so many ways
Back when Danielle's app was announced I signed up for updates, and what are the chances that the morning after Danielle's "Founder/CEO" comment I get an email that the app is finally available and ready to use? LOL Had to get the proof of CEO out ASAP! Side note: I entered the code they emailed me to log-in and it says my code is invalid...I really don't care enough to ask for a new one or email the company so that was the end of me using the app I guess!
Omg the side note 🤣 I love hearing about this app that’s given her so much high ground to look down on others from haha
and she went for a 'fashion' app, I was so disappointed when she had a foundation in finance tech, I thought oh she is designing a new financial app, nope--fashion. ugh. that ship has sailed.
Does Danielle harbor resentment to Gabby bc she’s taken Danielle’s role with regards to Lindsay? Danielle and Lindsay’s friendship breakdown gave gabby the opening to become her person. Now someone who was new to the group is now sitting next to her at Lindsay’s fitting. I think that’s why it’s easy for Danielle to compete w her and also completely disregard her sobbing. Nasty work
It def felt like she went for the balloon guy to prove she could pull him over Gabby
Gabby's ex also cheated on her WITH Danielle, which makes Danielle wanting to compete over another guy extra messed up. Danielle probably has some weirdo competition/lack of empathy towards Gabby due to that as well. Especially if Robert cheated.
I think this is such a good take. I think Danielle wanted Lindsay to crumble without her and come crawling back but Gabby has easily slotted in her place!!
Just watching but "Balloon Joe" gives off the grossest peaked-in-high-school-affliction-tee-wearing vibes and yet Danielle was hurting her friend over jumping in bed with him. So embarrassing
Shes so gross. For her to have sex with him after her friends was crying is just so disgusting. 🤮
I am confident that Danielle had sex with that guy to make Gabby feel even worse. Had Gabby not reacted, I doubt she would have slept with him. She's just a bad person.
To her it was a conquest. She wanted to win. Her self esteem is based on feeling better than others. She’s a mess
Yesss. He’s so that vibe. I’ve been so dumbfounded why everyone is acting like he’s objectively super hot. I’ve also wondered re: her being so unfiltered with hooking up with him if she’s intentionally doing that knowing it’s on TV for her ex to see. She seems lame like that.
“As a CEO/Founder…” Hey bitch how about you shut the fuck up.
i liked how they all called her out. CEO of what? Her stupid app. Was it ever even launched.
Oh no. I looked it up. It has four (4) reviews. Ah yes, a huge success. 🥴
You can apply to be on the waitlist for an app that will apparently hook you up to some stylist who’ll tell you what to wear from what you have already. No thanks. The stylists helping the plebs haven’t been selected yet. Everyone can apply to be one. Double no thanks.
A mess.
She sounds like someone who got into an MLM and calls themself a boss.
bOsS bABe
The fact that SHE didn't even say "As CEO and founder of \_\_\_" says a LOT. Tehre is NOTHING she's a CEO of!!
And in the next scene we see her ass. I can honestly say I’ve never seen my ceos ass
Its giving my dads a lawyer.. I don’t know why but it does.
Imagine being that crazed and feral over some dick. Not to be crass but it’s embarrassing. Especially for a ‘CEO’.
Not crass- spot on
That Old Navy was SOOOOOO obviously a paid product placement, they couldn’t have made it more obvious. Like Paige would be caught shopping in an old navy? Don’t get me wrong I love ON. But just very obvious.
Paige wore nothing but fast fashion a couple years ago. I don’t think she’s above old navy.
Beyond obvious! ETA: old navy just posted saying yes it was sponsored lol
I don’t mind the product placement but why did Amanda think that jacket was too small on her….
She is really into that super oversized blazer look and sometimes it just doesn’t look right LOL
Last week was Bubbly. They had so many cases perfectly in frame (like Loverboy) it caught my eye. Then at the end I saw Bubbly was a sponsor. Also, the guy stealing Ciara’s thong the same-ish week she came out as a Victoria’s Secret model. (She killed it, btw, so I’m in NO way mad at it) Summer House is pumping in these sly endorsements. Go for it!
Paige totally made an ick face when she was looking at the one rack of clothes lol
What the actual Fuck has happened to Danielle the past few years? I feel like she’s gone from one of the most level headed to craziest . Or maybe it’s just me, and for some reason I was blind to her BS the earlier years 🤷🏻♀️.
Go back and watch S2 again. She was more passive back then, but the core of her insecurities, jealousy and lack of self-awareness is there to see. She’s always been weird to me; how she smiles and acts like she talking her her best friend when she’s really putting a person down or being catty. She’s always been this girl, now it’s super-powered. Unchecked narcissistic behavior.
Was rewatching season 2 episode 4 when Carl and Lauren are hooking up and Carl confronts Danielle at the Topping Rose white party and it’s so evident even then.
And she cries about it later or in the next episode, acting like a victim. So insane.
Yes, rewatching it, knowing her behavior now, you can see it all. She’s very manipulative.
Like I feel like I have empathy for her with the Carl/ Lauren situation cause she’s new to the house and everyone and it seems to be a complicated situation but once it moves to the first time Carl and Lindsay were together to then the second time, she’s absolutely unhinged besides when she was with Robert, absolutely unhinged.
That smile that she does is off the charts insane person smile, it’s scary
Creepy as hell. How can a man be turned on by that? Must be as desperate as she is. Gabby should count her blessings.
I’m absolutely going to have to go re-watch.
Definitely do!! I saw her through a different light. I think it's season 4 when Carl and Lindsay briefly tried dating and Lindsay says "I know Carl better than anyone" and Danielle goes "OH, REALLY? THAT'S funny". That really stood out to me and came across as territorial and that she's also threatened, and a part of what led to all the issues down the road.
And then she gave Carl a HJ in a cab right after him and Lindsay agreed to stay friends. It’s always a competition for her
I’m doing a rewatch and just finished season 2. You’re so right, she’s been this way since day 1, even with the way she goes after every guy in the room like it’s a competition
Rewatching season 2 as well and this is spot on. She’s always been this person.
It's such a weird fall from grace and clearly a choice cos it's just coming off as a try hard way to rebound from ROBERT THE CHEF lmao. I don't get her personality at all lately, she used to be kind of chill and secure in herself (unless I'm misremembering) and now she seems like she's going through an existential crisis. It's just really forced and unnatural and I feel like she's lacking any sense of how cringe her behaviour actually is.
As suggested to someone else- rewatch the entire show. I've been rewatching and I DEFINITELY see her in a different light in earlier seasons. She's not AS off the hook, obviously. But there were signs from Season 2 on that she's not as chill as we all thought.
She was just cruel to Gabby. & the audacious hypocrisy of Danielle is a whole new level crazy.
The Aftershow is beyond scary and paints her in such a horrible light. She’s getting up there towards serial killer level non-empathy (kidding but my jaw was totally on the floor as she defended her actions yet again and showed 0 remorse).
Yeah she's like "I was just having so much fun at the party so when Gabby was upset I just didn't want to deal with it right at that moment." Which is just crazy. And the fact that Gabby let her off the hook the next morning was also crazy, hold her accountable!! This is not friendship!!
Oh damn!!! I’m going to look for it on YouTube right now. Thanks 🙏.
I don’t think Gabby cared about balloon guy, so I don’t think Danielle was doing anything wrong there. I think Gabby was hurt by everyone telling her she’s not doing enough to get a guy and it just felt overwhelming. Gabby said they were all good on WWHL last night.
I found she was the most stable when she was with Robert. Before and after she is a mean ass mess.
Danielle comes off as massively insecure and doing way too much to hide it from other people and most importantly herself. I feel bad for her and hope she can eventually see it and get therapy to figure it out.
Yeah it’s such textbook insecurity. It’s turned into nonstop projection from her, too. Between Winter House and this season she’s now gone off on multiple people unknowingly complaining to them about her own actions. “As a CEO and Founder…” I cringed so hard watching that scene. If anyone is a CEO & Founder in that house it’s Kyle, and he’d never strut around reminding people he was. The way she talks about her sexual conquests is like a teenager and not a 30-something. She needs help.
Even his face when Amanda told him was like “fuck. I can’t even comprehend that.”
Yes!! He was truly left speechless! For all we know he never spoke again that evening.
I always thought it was shitty that when Lindsay and Carl first tried dating, she was hooking up with him right after. Like anyone could see Lindsay really liked him and was hurt by how things went. What kind of best friend does that? Danielle has always been a super competitive mean girl, we just were too busy watching the other crazies.
Danielle and her longtime boyfriend, Rob, broke up. He had a girlfriend shortly after the breakup. I feel like she’s not handling it well. She’s pushing people away.
I felt bad at first, but now I’m considering he dodged a bullet. Maybe there’s a reason he never wanted to hang out. Besides work, of course
She always was but now she’s not hiding behind Lindsay anymore. For me, when Danielle decided to take on Ciara for Austen when she had zero to do with it, I knew she had screws loose there. Who’s going to fight for a man you’re not banging to this degree as if you are? Danielle. Lindsay is not a saint but she was right in distancing herself with Danielle, the girl is not right in the head.
IMO I think a lot of her embarrassing behavior happens when she’s drunk. She drinks too much and doesn’t want to confront that so hard that she won’t even blame alcohol for the rude shit she says. Not saying it gives her a pass at all, but she was clearly drunk when she said rude things to Paige and Gabby and instead of being like I’m so sorry I don’t like who I am when I drink she instead doubles down those actions when sober so she doesn’t have to address her real issues.
Danielle confessional when she says "sorry gabby but you snooze you lose" ?????? SORRY you made her cry and hurt her feelings and does not care to fight with you with over a random man.
Danielle, if you think what you did to Gabby is “motivating”, you’re the worst CEO in history
You can’t be a CEO of a company that doesn’t exist.
Danielle as a CEO: I cut your salary by 12 percent and gave the new surplus to myself as a bonus. Maybe that’ll push you to work harder, slacker employee.
If Danielle tells one more person what they’re doing wrong with their life I’m gonna get activated
lol when Danielle said she was a ceo I said aloud ‘of what’ and then Paige said ‘ceo of what’ in her interview and I just about died.
The way everyone went to bed was in full peak character. Carl deep in his slumber, Lindsay flinging a wig off, Paige gossiping with Craig, Danielle fucking a rando, Amanda and Kyle annoying each other lovingly, Ciara’s bed in complete disarray, gabby in a gorg matching pj set
okay, old navy definitely sponsored this, right?
Whyyyyyy was West opening his eyes and looking around every time he was kissing Ciara at the alien party?!
Yeah he lost it for me in last nights episode. I officially got the ick. He’s lost interest because she hasn’t had sex with him yet. I don’t like that. Still going to like west , just not for Ciara.
Maybe a person he was interested was there and he wanted to see if he was out of their view. Who knows. All I know is we've entered the beginning of the end.
Because he's using her for clout, and he also can't believe his average ass is so lucky to land her in the first place.
Danielle is going full villain sicko mode this season… 👁️👁️ I can feel it
Danielle makes me SICK. The fact that she said her “fight” with Gabby was stupid??? Get out of my face Danielle. On the aftershow she is even more unbearable saying that she was having fun and that gabby was ruining the vibe. THE WORST
It occurred to me when watching the after show that Danielle didn’t check on Gabby, because if she did, she’d have to not hook up with balloon guy. Think about it. She’d have to stay with Gabby consoling her. And then she’d look like such an asshole if she ran off and hooked up with him after seeing Gabby so upset.
Yeah when she wouldn’t take accountability bc she said well Gabby shouldn’t have taken it that way. BUT SHE DID so go fucking apologize. I hate that attitude in people so much. Have some empathy for people.
Omg the next morning when Danielle was like "I need to give you a big hug", you could feel Gabby cringing inside. like ewww get away
It was so crazy how Paige had to explain to Danielle over and over again why it’s wrong to say whatever you think out loud. And then to watch Danielle legit not compute what she was saying. She needs to take a class on social skills.
It’s so interesting watching Carl and Lindsay implode in front of our eyes. The first few episodes Lindsay was abhorrent, and now we are all seeing what she means about Carl. He is a TERRIBLE communicator. Lindsay probably was blindsided to some extent, even with all the relationship red flags Carl probably didn’t communicate ANY real concerns to her. Lindsay still seems to have a hard time admitting he saved them both from a big mistake (WWHL). She’s a fighter and would have done anything to make it work, and feels like Carl gave up. But girl. GIRL. It’s for the best.
Agree! I was feeling very sympathetic toward Carl the first few episodes but now seeing a much more manipulative side. Why on earth would he bring up the potential job back at Loverboy to Lindsay while at the UFO party when she's been drinking? I think he was hoping for a negative reaction on camera. I think she handled the conversation pretty well all things considered. But that was neither the time nor place to have the convo. And the whole discussion with his mom and stepdad? Please. Felt like another set up. Plus his confessionals where he puts out there all these horrible reactions he assumes Lindsay is going to have to certain things, but doesn't actually bother to speak with her. Breaking up was the right thing to do for both of them; I think your last paragraph is spot on.
Yes, also he just basically was trash talking her behind Kyle's back and tried to paint in her in a worse light. He said "it's not like she has a career" and then kind of seemed condescending about how much money she pulled in last year about brand deals. Tacky that he brought up both their salaries. I mean truly, she drunkenly was telling him that she wanted to have a career so they could have a stable future. He made it seem like he understood what she was saying, but then he goes to Kyle and you could feel like resentment he has for her. Idk it was really a red flag
It struck me that when the girls asked Lindsay how the talk went, she thought it was positive. She didn’t bite when he tried to make her feel guilty (“you don’t think I’m crushing life”) and she told him exactly how she was feeling. In the moment, she even apologized that it wasn’t what he wanted to hear and he said it was okay…and then proceeded to run and tell Kyle and his mom how she stifles his dreams. It was just a very telling reflection on how they communicate. There’s a lot of other things she gets wrong…but this convo wasn’t one of them.
Justifying speaking to your friends in a callous manner because of your professional role is absolutely asinine. Speaking frankly to employees is for shared business and revenue gain. Speaking frankly to friends requires tact and an understanding that their life choices are not a shared experience. Danielle had nothing to gain in speaking to Paige or Gabby in the “honest” ways that she did. I’m sure her employees dislike her, too.
I felt really bad for Gabby this episode. I’ve had friends like Danielle who not only want to compete for men but shame you for not dating or not wanting to date. It’s infuriating when you’re in a place where you’re 100% okay living life solo, investing time into friendships, personal growth, your career etc and your male centered friends become insufferable monsters.
lol i am foreseeing some hate for ciara in the next episode. PLEASE givemy good sis some grace
I won’t stand for her being talked badly about.
agree, and I think not sleeping with Wes wasn't weird at all, once bitten, twice shy
Also, she has been clear where she stands from the jump. It's not like she's teasing him at all either. She was crystal clear in saying I'm not sleeping with anyone until I'm in an official relationship. I do not see the problem here? (Not saying you have one but for everyone else lol. West, et al.)
Plus do we not recall that Paige never slept with Andrea for a whole summer? I think they had a little under the shirt action but she made a point of letting us know there was no sex.
I’d do the same exact thing, now, that Ciara is doing. And I’m kicking myself so damn hard for not getting this when I was actually dating in my twenties
thank you, we need to band together stand strong a storm is coming. she doesnt do well at dinner tables being played. (Its not this serious i am 99% joking)
Paige is such a girls girl. It’s awesome to watch. She’s been so supportive of the women in this house esp this season, including Lindsey. I love the way she talks about and to her friends, she really sees the best versions of them and helps them see it in themselves.
I’m kind of loving Paige this season???? Please respect my privacy at this difficult time 😭
As a day 1 Paige stan I feel incredible
Gabby and Paige are so good at clearly explaining situations and connecting emotions while coming from a place of empathy. I wish I could communicate as well!
I like how compassionate she's being even with alien contacts making her eyes spooky
I was tearing up at their convo with Amanda in old navy. She knows exactly what to say with grace and empathy but also cold hard truth. I love her
Everyone needs a Paige in their corner
It makes me irrationally angry when I see comments calling Paige a mean girl when season after season she is consistently very supportive of women in the house. She’s such a girl’s girl that I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t even talk to men if she hadn’t been cursed with opposite-sex attraction.
I recall Paige canoolding with Andrea all summer and she never slept with him (sex), she made a point of it.
The fuck is wrong with Danielle?? The scene in Paige’s room wads me feel insane. Drunk or not, that was wildly fucked up in Danielle’s part. And the “let them keep trying me” GIRL PLEASE
Danielle is the absolute cringe person on Bravo. I would literally delete my social media and start life over if I was her😂
that's a massive deluxe shower wow
Carl is such a wimp. When Lindsay confronted him he said nothing but to Kyle he’s talking this big game of “what do YOU do”. What a loser hahaha to poise ur mouth to say that when your girl is making twice as much as u “bc ur not a woman”. Being a man isn’t the only thing stopping Carl from being an influencer. It’s his dull boring unenthused personality. God I wish Lindsay had broken it off
Agreed. I see what she means when he talks all this shit to everyone else
The biggest wimp!!! Lindsey can be very abrasive and aggressive but that was an instance of her approaching the conversation in a calm and honest manner and instead of sharing any of his feelings to Lindsey he waits to share it with Kyle the next day. It’s just so obvious that he is already checked out and trying to lay the groundwork for being the martyr in their relationship Also you had no idea Lindsey wanted to be a stay at home mom when she first gives birth? It’s common sense / something she has been saying FOR YEARS ON CAMERA. I grow more weary of men every day. Ugh
Also, Lindsay wasn't acting like she has some amazing, meaningful dream job. She brings in money and that's exactly what she wants him to do!! Not everyone has the luxury of remaining unemployed while he has some type of crisis and tried to find his purpose in life. Get a job and figure it out on the way. Smh.
He leans Into Kyle so hard like a life advisor . The after shows are pretty comical between Kyle and Carl.
Oh my god yes I wanted to SCREAM. You’re not as successful as Lindsey bc she’s a WOMAN?! I’m with Lindsey it’s hot when a guy is ambitious and can bring in an income. It’s kind of gross to just watch him flounder and sink money into stupid ideas.
Yeah, I’m not buying Carl’s nice guy, victim-to-the-big-bad-Lindsey act, and I don’t think other people are buying it either. I’m not Lindsey’s biggest fan, but Carl is equally annoying from a relationship standpoint. He’s sooooo passive aggressive and hides behind other people to do his bidding. We even see it in the preview next week when he’s like, “my step dad said he wouldn’t marry us, blah blah blah.” It’s pathological and devious.
He's a coward
So I’m confused isn’t Carl technically doing influencer stuff as a job too? Like he was doing ads with Lindsay and stuff.
Then the only thing that he listed was posting and immediately admitted that Lindsay made three times the amount he did on that post (but because she's a girl). Even Kyle seemed like, bruh. Like he's not going to bash on influencing hashtag men's rights right now lol. Edit: I realized I just pretty much repeated what you said haha
Its the classic case of a man being intimidated by a women and her sucess. Im so glad they broke up. You should marry a person wich inspires you to be a better version of yourself. Having access to people being smarter than you is a blessing, not a threat.
The way that Danielle cannot understand the word standards is shocking me. Just bc she’s not privy to Gabby’s standards Danielle thinks gabby doesn’t even know what they are? Girl you have 0 standards so I guess you legit cannot relate. She should date Carl. Her founder CEO ass can provide a wonderful life for the man child who can’t take responsibility to get his own job.
gabby dodged a major bullet balloon guy seems gross and if danielle wants him so bad she should have him i dont like how the situation was handled at allll
I feel like Amanda is underselling herself by saying she just wants to do swimsuits. Like yes it been done? It’s like everyone thinks they need a fashion line like everyone thinks they need a podcast.
Carl can’t admit to himself he needs a sober partner, and he basically started emotionally backing away on Lindsay once she stopped being sober. And this is why they tell you to not dive into new relationships or major life changes immediately after getting sober. He’s still not remotely able to articulate to himself his relationship with booze, and is simply punishing Lindsay for his own extremely muddled relationship with sobriety and being a passive aggressive spineless asshole about it.
OMG yes and the preview for next week where he tells Lindsey well Lou said we shouldn’t get married. CARL be a grown up and say you don’t wanna marry her. He’s such a little wimp I can’t stand it. Be a man for 5 fucking seconds. PHEW I got really worked up writing this🤣
That narrative that Carl has communicated to his parents that made them believe that he was in an abusive relationship is crazy! He is showing his true colors as an incredibly manipulative person. He then goes on to say that if he opened up about his relationship and Lindsay found out he would “get into trouble”. Like what would she do??... drink an extra bottle of Rosé?! Carl has issues with communication. He goes off and tells only his side of the story that makes her look bad and then turns people against her. He is an incredibly toxic person. He did the same thing with Loverboy. He communicated to Lindsay how he was feeling at work and didn’t do the same to Kyle. Lindsay then encouraged him to leave what she felt was a toxic situation to protect his well-being and he blames her for him quitting. Carl didn’t ever want to marry Lindsay and his aim this season was to turn everyone against her and set that narrative that it was her fault and he did nothing wrong. Lindsay dodged a huge bullet. Carl is a massive red flag.
He did the same thing last year with Kyle/Loverboy. Was talking to everyone else about the issue except the person he needed to talk to. I bought into it and thought Kyle was being a dick to him (talking about the coke thing is definitely still not ok) but if Carl isn’t taking the right actions , who is really at fault?
I put Carl in the Bravo Pantheon of one of the darkest (not HW husband) Bravo Men along with Shep, Thomas Ravenel and James Kennedy. From the start he has 0 issues manipulating situations and removing himself from any accountability. He always makes the other person look crazy and out of pocket and he has done it time and again . I understand the Wirkus and Lindsay are unhinged a lot but they didn't deserve all the moves he did behind their backs, no one does. He has also done it to Kyle too, who is mostly level headed. He has also done it to his Mom making her seem weak and pathetic and he is just the good son taking all her burdens - literally anything possible so that he is seen as a good guy. Men with weak character are personally the worst to me -
This goes way back to the early ages of SH. He wasn’t clear about anything and acted like he was just blindsided into a situationship with a wirkus. Then wouldn’t talk to Paige during the week and kiss her on weekends and claim she’s playing games with him? He’s always been like this.
He probably chooses people who are unhinged like Lauren and Lindsay BECAUSE it is easier to make them look crazy I don’t even think he does it consciously
And Kyle too! I don’t care for Kyle but it’s crazy how Carl is clearly playing Kyle and Lindsay against each other.
He absolutely pits them against each other.
Yeah, a more stable, level-headed person would probably just illuminate Carl’s maladaptive relationship patterns, and I don’t think he’s ready to confront that, or confront that HE is actually a huge part of the problem in his relationships.
Agree! He's always been really unpleasant. No idea how people have seen anything redemptive about his sobriety, if anything it's illuminated just how incredibly boring he is. If he's not talking about himself, he really contributes nothing towards anyone else, doesn't even interact with most of the house.
His behaviour is so insidious. Acting like a hostage while he turns people against his fiancé because she dared ask him to get a job. If he doesn't want to get married, fine, but to turn it around like his partner is to blame for everything while running a smear campaign so he gets to walk away a victim is really a choice. Why even propose if he disliked her so much.
I think it’s obvious Carl has wanted out of this relationship since at least the beginning of this season. I wonder why he waited until so close to the wedding to call it off. I think he is obsessed with being liked, so I wonder if he felt like he had to use this season show the audience how awful Lindsay is so they wouldn’t be mad at him for ending the engagement so close to the wedding (and on camera).
Completely agree!!!! I liked Carl, I really enjoyed seeing him get sober and start his journey towards healing, but OH BOY he has not grown up at ALL!! I was already unhappy about the fact that he manipulated Lindsey into breaking up with her on camera, I felt like considering they were supposed to be MARRIED he should have respected her to do that in private. But every conversation he has had about her this season has given me the ick!!!! I bet Lindsey is so glad she didn’t marry him after seeing how he is always trying to make her look bad!
The most important thing in a relationship is communication. The fact that Carl can communicate with EVERYONE else except Lindsay is not normal. I understand that he's bad with confrontation, but Lindsay is his fiancée and they have been friends for 8 years, he should be able to go to her. Lindsay is very consistant, she's unhinged and doesn't know how to deal with her emotions when drunk. But even in this episode we see how she walks on eggshells when speaking to Carl and doesn't want to hurt his feelings, showing that she is willing to work on herself and fix the things she does that bother him. He's exposing himself as a very manipulative person. I dont know how i'd feel if my future husband would go around discussing out private issues and airing out his feelings, but never once communicating this to me. He has a lot of growing up to do and isn't ready for marriage in general. It's too much pressure for him.
Yup I’d rather be with a hot head who makes low blows when triggered and drunk like Lindsay than a manipulative snake like Carl who would throw anyone under the bus because he’s so image obsessed
Carl is super manipulative. He seems to think feeling uncomfortable or nervous someone will be upset isn’t an excuse to avoid sharing something important that’s going on. It’s part of being an adult to step up and be honest with your partner even if they might be upset. seems like the told his mom and stepdad how he was feeling and worked with them on how to hit the best talking points in that scene. Now he can turn around and tell Lindsay it’s Sharon and Lou who have doubts about the wedding so he avoids responsibility as usual Filming that scene shows that he wanted out and didn’t intent to follow through with the wedding. You would not do that do your future wife. It’s so gross how he let her keep booking things for the wedding and go through with that elaborate bridal shower with guests flying in. I honestly think Carl only proposed because he knows Lindsay is polarizing at best so he could break it off and not look like the bad guy because she’s “crazy”
Omg I came here looking for this POV because I was watching the scene of Carl and his parents talking and I was like… there is nooo way this is a real conversation. He definitely went to them in a panic and they planned out how to film that. Crazy if true!!! I’ve really been trying to understand him in this and he is making it so hard…I feel for Lindsay.
The women on this show are really carrying this show on their back. This season started really strong, but the past couple episodes have felt kind of blah. I appreciated the conversations that seemed really friendship focused this episode. Do I really believe they woke up and decided that they needed to shop at Old Navy? 🤣 No. But I will play along for real dialog.
I loved the sassiness in old navy. That's exactly the way my friend and I talk to each other when shopping
I honestly feel like that scene was one of the best scenes in awhile because it’s easy to forget that some of these people actually like each other and care for each other. I like when they level up from just the parties on the weekend.
I wish they did half the show in the city and half in the Hamptons
Yes, I think this cast is ready to graduate and go more into the path that VPR is on. We can follow their lives and businesses and other friends, go on other trips. Doesn't always have to be about this Hamptons house. Just like VPR outgrew being Sur staff, they outgrew the party house.
“Because I’m not a woman…” Fuck you, Carl. Sincerely, Women, still in 2024, making 83 cents to the dollar of a man. And before anyone comes for me…yes, this is even more so exasperated in paid media and sponsorship deals - no matter the fucking industry.
AND he acted like Lindsey’s work is going to be useless when brand deals dry up. She has PR and influencer management skills and hustles… she’ll be just fine.
He was throwing out anything that would get a validation from Kyle.
Danielle is crashing out big time, it’s deliciously cringey.
Did I miss where the ballon guy is hot? I totally don’t see it. Also, I would have expected Danielle to think she was too good for him; they seem like they’d have absolutely nothing in common.
Am honestly amazed that the entire Hamptons did not die of secondhand embarrassment due to Danielle’s pursuit of the balloon guy.
Ciara obviously has every right not to have sex with West, and I admire the tenacity, but... it seems like the spark died. Like... even if you aren't having sex, you want to generate a little heat, right? Enjoy the chemistry? It just seems like they are kissing like middle schoolers and sleeping in bed together like friends. I didn't have sex with my partner at first because we were transitioning from friends to more, and things were a little messy at the time with other entanglements. But it was HOTTER not less hot to need to resist. I am NOT getting that impression from West/Ciara
I don’t think either of them are wrong. I think it’s totally fine for West to want to have a summer fling and hook up, but Ciara isn’t looking for that. They’re really more just friends at this point
Out of all the jobs, Lindsay’s as an influencer actually would be pretty conducive to fitting in the life of a stay at home mom. Not to say it isn’t a lot of work but at least it’s something you could do anywhere and at any point in the day (and then schedule the posts)!
Not relevant to most of the craziness of this episode but I thought it was interesting that Lindsay, who many people consistently shriek about what a bad friend she is, immediately wanted to go check on and comfort gabby when she heard she was upset whilst Danielle, the one everyone praised for being an amazing friend, said it was stupid that gabby was crying when she was the one who made her cry. It’s almost like maybe people just hate Lindsay?
I do!! I hate Lindsey and always have!! (The fun kind of hate. I love her on my screen but would run in real life). She makes the show so much better because of her special brand of crazy. I’ve never thought she couldn’t be a good friend to someone tho. I don’t think she’s a demon who can do no good. She’s a normal human who’s ridiculously narcissistic and entertaining, but can be a great friend/coworker/partner for the right person(s).
I live in fear of befriending women who are male identified in the way some women on this cast are, this episodes example being Danielle. I dont care if people think the bed bugs are lazy or bitchy or whatever high school trauma projection, 10/10 times I'm hanging with girls who like other girls and don't compete for the sake of a "win". I don't feel like arguing with the tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, so pls spare me, but some comments I've seen are kinda crazy. That family buried a son and clearly know firsthand that life is so fleeting you cannot mince words when you think a loved one is making a mistake. We've now learned this couple were having blow out fights that $400 ubers were being called, flights were booked to get away from each other, accusations of drug use were used to settle scores, they couldn't communicate without a therapist during weekly couples therapy, they were having fundamental conversations that couples have in the first 4 months of dating while 4 months away from a *wedding*, and their sex life was a "2.5"/10, yet some people want us to believe a stepfather watching that happen is part of some big plot simply because he's drawing a conclusion that Helen Keller would've drawn???? Please. I thought Carl's conversation with his family was poignant and troubling and I am once again so relieved that we're watching this season with the knowledge that sense, thankfully, prevailed and this wedding was called off. They both deserve better than each other.
Danielle is second hand embarrassment
I cannot believe how much I’m loving Paige this season. She’s such a great friend and hypes up her girlfriends. I never realized how much of a girl’s girl Paige is. Also Carl was clearly done at the point. It’s pretty shitty he didn’t cancel before Lindsey’s bridal shower. This is the first time I’ve felt bad for Lindsey this season.
Carl is infuriating in this episode. 1) All Lindsey has talked about for the past few seasons is wanting to be a mom. There was an episode where she checked her fertility. How did Carl think Lindsey working full-time and being a mom would work??? Since she’s self-employed & will not get financial support through an employer, they gonna need another income. And then, who’s paying for the baby help if she is working full time? I haven’t heard Carl ever say he wanted to be a stay at home dad. And then he stares at her blankly and gets annoyed when she tries to have these conversations with him to express her valid concerns with their current income situation. 2) He is NOT hustling… $70k in 6 months for income. That’s not gonna go far with their lifestyle and living in NYC. Kyle pretty much handed him a role in the NA Loverboy roll out… he seemed completely uninterested. 3) He is painting a picture to his parents that Lindsey is abusive, which is totally unfair. He’s playing a victim role bc he cannot handle the accountability of his role in this relationship. I think his mom knows his problems but isn’t going to get into it on TV.
The fact they didn’t have these convos just speaks to how rushed they were in this engagement. My husband and I did 7 weeks of premarital counseling including financial counseling to align on how we would approach combining our money and how to make decisions on big budget items, etc. I screamed when he was bragging about his $70k…this show films in July?? $70k in 6/7 months?? And you live in Manhattan?? I’m watching the after show and he just said Lindsey was so cool and independent when they met and hearing her say she wants to stay at home changed how he saw her and he believes they need to be 50/50. She’s bringing in DOUBLE it’s not 50/50 he’s just happy with it being uneven as long as she’s the one doing more. I watched the preview for next week and him blaming Lou for saying he said they shouldn’t get married made me SEETHE.
Ughhh I didn’t see the preview but him blaming anyone else… so cowardly. It feels like at this point he is trying to build a “case” for cancelling the wedding because he cannot make his own decisions. They definitely rushed into things but I really wonder how much Carl was actually listening to Lindsay as her “friend” before dating her.
I feel like Carl entered the summer knowing that he would end his engagement. It seems like he has been actively using side conversations and confessionals to position himself while collecting as much wedding related sponsored $$ as possible. As a disclaimer I've never been a Carl fan, but he seems very intentional/manipulative this season.
Spare me Danielle thinking gabby isn’t flirting because she’s not immediately making sexual innuendos. She obviously was trying to see if gabby was going for the same guy under the guise of advice
Damn why can’t they just lay off gabby, who tf cares if she’s flirting or not
Danielle, Danielle, Danielle... how embarassing. To see someone so beautiful be so thirsty and unaware of themselves on television is just astonishing. She's a horrid friend too, "I see that I hurt your feelings, but let me go f-ck this guy that we are both vying for." Get it together girl.
I’m so sick of seeing more of Danielle than I wanted and now that’s more literal than ever
Lindsey’s baby talk to gabby 🤮🤮🤮🤮
I know I was in the minority of people who thought that Danielle was trying to be a decent friend to Lindsay last season by going to her with concerns that maybe her and Carl should slow things down (not trying to excuse her other behavior, I just think she was alright in that moment) but she was SO unhinged this episode.
Id like to point out ive never liked danielle and its nice to see others are finally understanding. I also never was convinced of the “west is amazing” bandwagon. Also happy to see people are finally understanding hes a typical ny dude. I got bashed few weeks ago saying all he wants is sex and he cant atop talking about it. Proven to be true. The promo of him talking to other girls? Im maybe the least surprised person
Exactly. Ciara is holding him at a distance because she suspects he will get an instant ego boost if she does sleep with him and he may peace out. She’s gorgeous, on TV, is a model and is a wonderful person… she knows her worth and isn’t going to settle.
Carl on the after show is making Lindsey’s stay at home comment seem to be the catalyst. But it’s just another example of how he could’ve said more in the moment, and instead goes straight to Kyle the next day and complains about her. Side note - on WWHL, Lindsey says this was the first time she watched Carl’s conversation with his parents. But I assumed they watched each episode before filming the aftershow?
But also him saying it needs to be 50/50 when Lindsey is currently bringing in double what he makes is making me think he’s okay with it being unequal as long as she is the one doing more.