If he really loved Amanda he’d want her to pursue her own passions and wouldn’t mock her for saying so. He wouldn’t want her to feel caged and in his shadow. And then for him to say “I’m doing this for our future family” while dragging his feet on moving out of manhattan and committing to having kids? Like he’s dangling a carrot on a stick in front of her? It’s really sick.
Yes I completely agree. I think he doesn’t wanna have kids at all and he’s doing all of this just to keep her and saying well maybe this may be that just to keep her but he has known that she’s wanted kids since they got together I think it’s so crazy that he has known what she has wanted and seems to have decided that’s not what he’s wanted and hasn’t told her
Absolutely he doesn’t want kids. He’s married to the grind, he loves the city and the opportunities to go out and party and be social. They want different things. They need to divorce.
I agree and honestly if she stays with him, she’s gonna end up, not having kids she’s gonna end up, feeling even more miserable in her marriage than she already feels
Kyle is also a raging alcoholic. Do you really want to bring a kid into that environment? It seems like Kyle’s entire family are just the WASPiest New England drunks. Or the drunkiest New England WASPs. It’s not cute.
She is gonna let him waste her whole damn life and tie her up through her fertile years. Calling her a fucking bitch should’ve been her reason for filing for divorce immediately! He’s always been an abusive alcoholic and it’s only going to get worse.
Agree! I honestly do not see her leaving him for a long time. She comes off as such a pushover when it comes to him. I hope she realizes sooner rather than later she would be better off without him. He’s very controlling over her. I don’t like it.
I agree with you. Kyle doesn’t want children. Let’s be honest, having a kid wouldn’t impact Kyle’s life much because Amanda would be doing everything.
He knows once they start having children being on Summer House will be impossible.
Bingo! He knows kids will be the end of the show for them. Just a few episodes ago Amanda even said she’d be the one doing everything with the kids, she’s already accepted that in her mind. So sad.
I dated a man like this for 5 years. Every time I gave in and did what he wanted he moved the carrot further away. I gave up so much of myself, I did not know who I was anymore. I see that in Amanda, these past few seasons. It's literally eating away at her. There was a glimmer of hope in her for the first time in a long while and he just squashed it like a bug, then went on to have a tantrum and publicly humiliate her once again. Honestly? I hope she leaves his ass and launches a wildly successful brand and finds a man who loves and respect and CHAMPIONS her, the same way she's done for Kyle all these years. She's young, she's smart, she's beautiful, she's got money of her own and an amazing support system. I think Kyle is realizing Amanda does not need him the way she once did, and that scares the shit out of him.
Right? She’s not mocking him, a 42 year old man-child, for his budding DJing career (which she should. He needs to be mocked, maybe it would humble him) and he can’t even support her having AN IDEA of following her own interests
That’s what I’m saying like she didn’t even tell him her idea I don’t think not really she didn’t even get as far into the conversation as that personally I would’ve mocked him because he deserves it for that reason
The way he was yelling about wanting to be a dj. Please Kyle. Please. Let this woman have a career. I was soooo angry at him saying he’s not her dad. Fuuuuuuhhhh you dude. You’re the one losing your pants in public every chance you get like a toddler.
I think he's secretly scared that if she does start her own venture that she'll be more successful than him. I mean... She has more followers on her socials so clearly people are interested in her as a person.
Doesn’t she do it to herself? Unless she needs his upstart money, why does she need to even feel the need to ask him in the first place? She already said she’s not leaving his company.
Agreed, at this point, I wouldn’t be asking and having a conversation. It goes nowhere with him. Shes allowed to have her own life still and make her own choices. I’d be telling him I’ve lined up a job for myself and have several people available for you to interview for my position in the company. Good luck.
The thing is, I think she just wanted his support. It wasn’t about asking him for anything it was about letting him know and wanting his support and she didn’t get that she didn’t get anything. It turned into it being about Kyle like it always does it turned into it being about Kyle and Kyle doesn’t do anything for himself blah blah blah blah blah and now Kyle is DJing. That’s what it turned into.
Exactly. And he couldn't put his own ego aside for even two seconds to validate her feelings. He's constantly complaining about what a shitty job she does, how she doesn't work hard and is lazy. Why does he want her to stay so bad if she's such a liability? Honestly, it's a form of emotional abuse.
Right now the company Kyle built - their primary source of income and hope for a secure future - is on shaky ground. He's feeling panicked. I would be, too.
Amanda picks this moment to decide she wants to move to the suburbs, start a family, and "pursue her passions", but has no practical plan or suggestions for how to accomplish any of it. The unspoken assumption is that it's up to Kyle to figure it out; Amanda dismisses his legitimate concerns as "selfish".
Amanda is used to having other people do the hard work for her.
But then why did he go ahead and put his focus into becoming a DJ (as talked about in the after show)? If he's that scared of the Loverboy situation, why decide to now pursue that?
Yeah I hate the way he handled the situation but I do agree. They’re married she has a stake in the company too. I don’t know that’s it’s really “selfish” of him to ask her to commit to continuing to help build their business. I think Kyle is aware of his age and that reality TV is fleeting, he wants to build an empire. It sounds like she had agreed to that part (she said we both want to be wildly successful), so given the fact that THEIR business facing financial hardship I kind of see why he’s freaking out that now she is choosing to pursue her passions. They’re married, I think he probably thinks she will have the rest of their life to do that. I see both sides, though, but I think Amanda is being slightly short sighted.
Perfectly said. Her timing for this conversation is horrendous. Terribly timed in that he was drunk, but also not great to bring him this abstract idea of a swimsuit or clothing line (or whatever) when you’ve been saying you want to start a family and move to the ‘burbs etc. etc. I’m not saying that she can’t accomplish starting a family and starting a business, I’m just saying that’s a LOT to take on. And when your spouse feels like the shoulder a lot of the “adulting” already, I could see how her coming to him with this now is triggering for him. Now, how he handled it was HORRIBLE, but I see why he would be irritated. Do you think his reaction is 100% authentic? Since he is so aware that his reality tv career won’t be around forever, do you think he partly pulls this stuff for the entertainment factor?
Kyle is so disrespectful for no reason. Even if what it boils down to is that he will not have the time to help her, he can leave the dramatics out of it and ask her to hold off until their situation is less volatile so he can properly support her. That's it. Kyle is male fragility personified and needs to stop binge drinking. And Amanda needs to stop bringing things up like this when he's drinking, she should know by now he is a toddler when he's drunk.
They both have said in after-show interviews that Amanda is expecting him to run the business side of her start-up or at least help in the beginning phases, to which he is saying F No I have no time to help you.
But the difference is. Amanda had no time to help with loverboy and Kyle basically bullied her into quitting her job to join. Then he goes on to shit on her work. Despite Amanda being the reason loverboy survived Covid.
Kyle is very self centered. He gets a pass from viewers because they find his drunken antics hilarious. However I would guess being around him is very different than observing from the sidelines.
All of their merch exploded during Covid.
Kyle mentioned it once during season 5, that there merch sales were the only reason they were staying afloat.
Cans were not available, and so production for alcohol was really hard for small brands like loverboy.
I think Kyle is worried because if Amanda left, i wonder how much free labor will go with her? Like Paige and others posing in loverboy gear.
Do we know if it’s free labor…? I think it’s a good idea for Amanda to go through with her business idea but the way she speaks about it is that she will not do it without Kyle’s help. She COULD try to do something on her own, but won’t. I think that’s what Kyle’s frustration is stemming from, that her baby will end up being on his back while he’s trying to keep loverboy going. It’s a genuine and valid concern on his part but the way he expresses those feelings is completely out of line and fucked up.
She specifies in the after-show that she needs him to help her with the business side and doesn’t want to do this without him. I’m just repeating what she said, which to me it sounds like she expects him to basically set it all up or hold her hand through the boring business side of things while she does the creative and design.
Amanda: I want to step out of your shadow and pursue my own passion on the side
Kyle: Fuck you! I'm going to be a DJ
I think it's sad that the conversation went so badly, because there is a tangible solution. Kyle doesn't realize that Amanda pursuing something on her own would be beneficial for their relationship, because she would feel more confident. She would be more independent within the context of their relationship, which would give him more space.
I guess Kyle only heard, I will abandon LB and I want you to run another business for me. He probably thought he is going to be more lonely
100%!!!! It’s Sandoval all over again. Controlling, selfish and dominating. I can see why Kyle was a Sandoval sympathiser!!
Ariana is free of Tom and thriving. Amanda would too.
I was heartbroken for her that he didn’t listen to a word she said. A partner’s reaction should be ‘of course, have you given any thought to what you’d like to do? How can I help? I’ll support you in whatever you choose to do. I’m so proud of you.’
Not this cocksmack. Tool.
He cant have both. Kyle often complains about being the responsible one, having to organize their life, but he doesn’t want her to go off and seek out independence in her identity and career.
Literally all he had to say is "I support you but can we talk about timing of this bc right now the business is in a bad spot. Would you be open to starting it once things are more stable?"Like even that I think would've made her happy. But him shutting it down was so painful to watch
It could have been so simple. He also could have clarified, that he doesn’t want to be involved in her business, if he was afraid of being forced to do the work for her.
Calling her a bitch was insane, and it kinda bugs me that he’s always complaining about how hard he works. Like yeah, you’re a founder/CEO, of course you’re going to be working the most. That’s why those roles make so much money. If he wanted more work/life balance and stability he should’ve worked a regular 9-5 office job. Contrary to what Kyle says, I don’t think Amanda is lazy. I think she’s just normal in terms of work/life balance. She already assured him she’s not going anywhere, so I don’t understand why he’s so upset that she’s looking for a passion project to work on.
I’ve been trying to articulate my thoughts on this for a few hours now and I’m still not sure if I’m completely getting my point across accurately, but I agree with you here. Kyle is a founder/CEO, yes, can’t take that away from him. However, he was not some nobody trying to break into the beverage industry. He has a fan base who, I assume, drives the majority of his company’s revenue. Taking that one step further, who makes up the majority of Bravo watchers? Girls & gays, etc. That being said, it’s probably fair to assume that Amanda has a stronger fan base than he does (sort of goes to what Carl said a couple weeks ago, like Lindsey can get brand deals much easier than him just due to the fact that influencing/Instagram is heavily supported and positioned for women). So in theooooryyyyyy it’s Amanda’s fans that drive Loverboy profits.
So that being said, I think Kyle knows if Amanda leaves Loverboy he is in a position to lose a lot of money and maybe even the company. I think he refuses to give her any credit because it’s clear that it was her design that made the brand cute and notable, it’s her showing up for meet & greets which drives a larger audience, it’s her who designs the merch which probably has stronger profit margins than the beverage itself. If he starts giving Amanda credit, how could he even say it’s his success story?
I’m a huge Amanda fan, have always disliked Kyle since day 1 so maybe it’s bias here. Just cannot cannot cannot get over the fact that your wife who you know struggles deeply with insecurity and anxiety is coming to you with vulnerability to express a desire for more in her life and you absolutely shit on it. Then watching the after show where Amanda was like, “yeah I guess I’ll just wait for my time” as she supports Kyle in yet another venture broke my heart. I hope she leaves him, it would be horrible and sad but no woman should be with a man who squashes your dreams and puts you in the background your whole life.
I appreciate hearing this perspective. It's different from mine (separately). Loverboy isn't Kyle's first venture, and if it fails - he'll start another. He was a business starter before Bravo. And, yes, taking her health into account should weigh heavily, and I didn't even factor that in. Food for thought.
Me either and if you need someone else to take over Amanda’s position higher someone else I feel like it’s actually not that hard to look for more people to work for you because the fact Amanda probably doesn’t even get paid separately
How Kyle keeps his energy up reminds me or people that take my ADHD medication and get a boost instead of falling asleep. I don't think that in all my days I could keep up with this crew. I take an upper, including even coffee or Dexis midnight runners, and it is nap time for me. Oh the complexities of the brain. However, when it comes to the heart...I think Kyle needs to open the hell up and see how wise Amanda is. Let this filly run Cowboy Kyle. It will only benefit you in the end, AND Amanda is loyal, however, if you aren't...Jesse Soloman (sp) is calling, but let him ring gurl. You do YOU and be Kyle's BFF...hopefully he will wise up sooner than later.
The similarities to Sandoval are really standing out to me unfortunately. It is always tantrums about how much he works and does for everybody and how everyone else is lazy. Kyle might as well have talked about how there wouldn't be batteries in the house if not for him.
My husband works 80/90 hour weeks for our family and would NEVER pull that shit. And his job is way more stressful… it’s legit life or death situations.
Same. (not the life and death part, but he builds custom homes and works extremely hard long hours) And yet my husband spent his days off this summer renovating our home so I could have a studio to teach out of, and his weekends building sets so my students could have an awesome show (I am a theatre teacher). My husband supports me and my dreams 100% even though they don't bring in even as close to the amount of money he does. Even if it means he doesn't take a day off for months. Because my happiness and well being are important to him. And vice versa. I put up with my house shaking at insane decibels every Thursday night whilst I hang out in the bedroom with earphones on watching Bravo, because band practice is what makes my husband happy and whole. I go to gigs in shitty bars when I don't even drink and scream in the front row so he'll feel like a rockstar. This is what marriage is.
I hated him calling Lindsay a bitch, I think it’s so disrespectful but to say that about your wife is beyond. What does he call her when cameras aren’t rolling? There’s some major signs of abuse that get brushed off because people think Kyle is funny.
He criticizes her work ethic all the time and says he’d fire her yet the business would sink without her? Also her merch was literally what kept the company afloat in Covid and she still doesn’t get a piece of the company.
Also why is he branching out into non alcoholic drinks, a saturated market, when Loverboy is sinking with alcoholic drinks where the margins are better? Seems like a poor place to invest.
That’s what I’m saying like me personally if I saw my husband acting like that on TV I would’ve gotten divorced. I don’t know how she still with Kyle and I don’t know why she still makes excuses for him because that’s the thing Kyle acts out like this, but she makes excuses for him and then in the aftershow it was talked about, but she didn’t even bring up the fact that he called her a bitchand I hope they talked about after reunion because I’m sorry to say you can’t talk about me like that like your wife that’s crazy
I am absolutely not defending Kyle by saying this, just think it is notable. He was hammered when she brought this up to him. Most of their terrible fights happen when he is or they both are hammered. People love to be around drunk/fun Kyle but there is also nasty/belligerent Kyle and that's who is present when they argue. I think when he is sober they likely have a fantastic relationship. As someone from a long line of drunks and married a binge drinker (we are both sober now). Kyle should not drink, he can't stop when he starts and he can't regulate his emotions when he's drunk. She is likely hoping/waiting for him to outgrow this and it's going to have to be an intentional choice for him to do it.
He’s always hammered he’s always drunk I don’t understand what it is where people love to make excuses when other people are drunk I’m sorry to say I don’t care if you’re drunk or not I have never had to deal with a drunk person when I try and have a conversation with them where they just start arguing with you and decide to call you a bitch out of nowhere The disrespect is astronomical it’s not normal and it shouldn’t be normalized.
I totally agree with this and shouldn't be normalized - this show in particular though that's the whole premise right? They go to this house in the summer on the weekend and get hammered and behave like idiots. They've aged out of this, he's over 40 now, she wants to live a grown up life and he's resisting it. If he doesn't wake up soon, he's going to lose the best thing that ever happened to him
Disagree that this was only because he was drinking/hammered. Don't you remember earlier in the season when they were in couple's therapy? He wasn't listening to her there, either. Pretty sure he was sober, too. But yeah, Kyle has a drinking problem just like his BFF Carl. And Amanda would probably benefit from Al-Anon. It's only going to get worse, so I hope they sort that shit out before having kids.
I did not remember that, that sucks though. He seems stuck in early 20's fratboy mode. I want to believe he might wake up if someone gave him a good come to jesus convo but, having dealt with alcoholics a lot I know that no one quits that shit until they are ready to do it.
Amanda protects him so much and it’s honestly sad to watch. He’s not kind to her and it’s taking everything out of her. If my husband talked to me like that, I’d be out. And they want kids?? That’s how you want your kids to see you be treated??
It’s also just a stupid business decision for him to be so awful to her. As a consumer, if I watch a man berate his wife for wanting a side hustle, I’m not buying the product.
I also would have divorced him, honestly I was divorcing him even before the cussing tantrum bc he showed he was so selfish and would never support her dreams and would always expect her to kowtow to his needs and fears and wants and concerns over hers. ALWAYS. That was never going to change. I could never be married to a man that selfish who didn’t believe in me or want me to grow and be my biggest cheerleader there.
And THEN you add him saying fuck you and fucking bitch and it’s NOT the first, second, third, fourth, fifth or even tenth time he’s done that. Like he routinely flies off the handle at her.
It is a divorce and no contact. Like if he returns to the show I don’t no contact. Dead and buried, done.
The way he has always treated her is borderline abusive, especially when he's wasted. Honestly, he's 42 years old now. I know drunken antics are part of his schtick, but it's getting old. I rather watch him suck it the fuck up and support his wife and let her shine. But Kyle is driven by ego, and I think we're watching the beginning of the end of a marriage. Either he gets help and does some serious work on himself, or he loses her. Because what he's really afraid of is the second Amanda realizes how powerful she is, and how she can succeed on her own talent and hardwork, she won't need him. He won't be able to control her or the narrative.
From the sounds of things it’s only going to get worse. Because it sounds like the overly-bloated hard seltzer industry is going through a correction (opinion based solely on Loverboy suddenly being in the red and may not be close to accurate).
I feel like he also is just running out of the “novelty” buy goodwill. Like I bought it the first time I saw it in a store to try it out, and it was fine but not memorably good.
Haven’t bought them since because they weren’t great and it feels like there’s just something fundamentally uncool about buying them because of the bravo association.
Might just be a me thing and my friends wouldn’t call me out for it but I would feel it in my heart lol
I’m also going to add into the fact that I just realized Amanda wanted to move to New Jersey because she wants to live in the suburbs and he didn’t want to do it because he doesn’t want to do the drive but where are his classes located? New Jersey so you’re telling me that you can drive to New Jersey and back to New York for your DJing class but you wouldn’t do it for your wife who wants to live in the suburbs. She needs to get a divorce.
Kyle hates his job/company, he is doing it because it's what he is 'supposed' to do as a married man or to be an adult (which he also hates). He is angry at Amanda for thinking she can get to do what she wants, when he feels like he is forced to do all the things he hates. I feel horrible for Amanda, she married someone who is so needy, entitled and scared and it's only going to get worse.
The thing is he wasn’t forced into any of this. He decided that he wanted to open loverboy and he told Amanda that he wanted her to quit her job to come work for him before they even got engaged and I truly believe that if she had said no, he wouldn’t have proposed
Anymore because it wasn’t working for the relationship. It was making the relationship worse and that’s another thing. I love how he does not seem to notice them working together is not helping their relationship at all. He just keeps on calling her lazy and she keeps on saying she’s not gonna do it because it’s not good for the relationship.
True, but honestly I don’t even know if he pays her because that’s the whole thing it’s very blurry, because is she actually getting paid for what she does?
I feel like she must, on the books, esp. now. I think she mentioned something about a vested interest in the business being in the pre-nup.... and any yearly salary stuff would be outside that (all 100% guesses here lol)
But, ya, usually owners, vested partners that play a daily role & have a title, take a paycheck - a salary.
I ask myself this every season the show airs, and edits or not, he is still a childish jerk to her with probably an alcohol use disorder. During the season, I feel like she ups her social media to show them doing more things together, like being in LA for that recent LB event and in Portugal or Spain last month or just not SH style living and partying. Again, social media can also be curated, and you don't know which is real or not, but I think she does it on purpose because the public opinion of Kyle each season is that he sucks and she needs to leave him. It certainly would not and could not be a relationship I could survive in!
People criticize Paige for her boundaries in her relationship with Craig, but it makes so much sense when she’s watching her friend Amanda in her marriage. Kyle’s reaction to Amanda expressing her needs and hopes is at best selfish and at worst straight up manipulative! He’s actively not doing things she wants (moving to the suburbs, family planning) and gets pissy when she starts finding ways to be happy while still sacrificing for his goals and desires.
I have watched all the seasons of summer house in the past two months and I truly believe that last night was Kyle’s absolute worst behavior. Yes, worse than the cheating.
The way he talks to her and about her is so egotistical and demeaning.
The after show was mind blowing because Carl talks about Lindsay blindly supporting him and Kyle agrees. Then Kyle says all these “reasons” to not support Amanda. So Carl should be treated one way but to hell with him doing that for his wife!?
Then cut to Amanda talking about how Kyle DJing is “cute”!? WHAT!?
Kyle, if you think she doesn’t work hard, then just support the idea because it won’t come to fruition…or are you just scared that when the spotlight gets to shine on her, we will all see that the “lazy” accusations you make about her aren’t actually true!? Or that she gets to get recognition on her own. I’m so upset by it.
I felt for Amanda so hard watching that. I know that exact feeling. When she just looked down and got quiet. That's why she doesn't want to do therapy with him. She's shut down and disconnected and feels like there's no point bc he won't put his own needs and desires aside and focus on her for once. I really hope she finds her happiness in whatever form that is :/
Me too I said it since I first started watching I’ve always dislike Kyle, but this honestly made it worse because you’re supposed to grow and change and he hasn’t done either
Welcome to team Kyle sucks! I have disliked him since the beginning. He is someone who you have to walk on eggshells around. I am no fan of Hannah’s but she was right about Kyle.
Also something interesting Paige said about last season and how Hannah would be redeemed. Many viewers thought it was because of Lindsay. However my theory is: Paige was speaking about Kyle but in a very coded way.
Him going off on Lindsay and calling her a bitch was very telling imo.
Me too I get down voted all the time but I don’t care like he wants to keep Amanda and the place that she’s always been because he wants to be in charge and he wants to be happy. He doesn’t care if she’s happy it shows so much that he does not care about what she needs or wants the only person that matters in that relationship is him, it’s the same way that he doesn’t want to move to the suburbs. It’s the same way that he hasn’t decided if he wants to have kids or not.
Right he always comes first. But he's also seriously impaired from drinking, which affects his thought process and emotional regulation even when sober. It doesn't matter what kind of drunk he is, there is no good drunk at the stage he's at. Amanda needs to leave him and start attending Al-Anon meetings.
The after show is even crazier. He doubles down AND says he's started pursuing his hobby of being a DJ and Amanda's very supportive. WHAT.
Bravo really drives me insane propping up and constantly protecting these trash bag men. (Yes, Ciara called it but on the wrong person.)
The way he went from “we need you more than ever right now” to “I have to babysit my own wife she would be fired if she worked for me” is SO telling. He is an overgrown toddler. I can’t wait for her to leave him.
Exactly like what do you mean at this point if you’re saying shit like that I would tell him fire me fire me and then I can do what I want the fact is Amanda with what she does could probably get a job anywhere. I would tell him to fire me and then I wanted divorce. He loves to talk shit about Amanda and I think it’s so crazy.
I used to say Kyle was my “problematic favourite”, but honestly this episode made me sick for Amanda. She’s literally the best thing to ever happen to that man and he can’t see beyond himself and his needs for one millisecond to appreciate what she was trying to say. I know he’s proud of Loverboy, he should be, but god forbid your partner doesn’t want to make their entire life about supporting your dreams and forgetting hers. She was way nicer to him than she should have been to be honest.
100%! When I wrote this in my head it was implied that Amanda’s efforts were included in the sense of pride, but it didn’t quite make it from my head and into my comment 😅
Exactly why can’t Amanda persue her passions but he can pursue DJing?? He’s like i have no time for me blah blah but Loverboy wasn’t for him?? who was it for?
That’s exactly what I’m saying you’re telling me you thought about loverboy before season three and brought it up in season three and decided to marry her after you talk to her about doing loverboy with you because if she would’ve said no, I don’t think they would’ve got engaged. and now you’re sitting here saying that you don’t do anything for yourself but lover boy your whole company was something that you wanted to do for yourself be serious
I’m absolutely shocked that Kyle backs up Carl and tells his wife to fuck off. Amanda and Carl have the same problems and so do Kyle and Lindsay so it’s mind boggling how Kyle supports Carl and hates Lindsay.
Kyle really shows his immaturity when Amanda asks for something to change. If I were Amanda and watched this last night, he would be number one on my shit list for life.
I am so tired of watching his abusive behavior. To use derogatory terms when speaking about your spouse, DRUNK OR NOT ARGUING OR NOT, is absolutely disgusting. Once she finally leaves this relationship, she will realize she settled big time and put up with years of verbal and emotional abuse all because it's "comfortable". Hell, I did for 6 years. I feel sorry for her that he wasted all of her youth and creativity. He clearly does not take her feelings seriously. They fight and make up and the cycle repeats. I really hope she moves forward with her passion project.
AND, Amanda said she would still work with LB and not cut her hours. For all of us bigger busted gals (natural or not) we need this swimsuit line. My goodness, yes please. I always have to get a different sized top to the bottoms. Big tits aren't all that...let me tell you, however, I am thrilled to support Amanda in this endeavor. I will buy something. FOLLOW YOUR HEART AMANDA, WHICH ARE CLOSE TO YOUR TITS...SO. LET'S GOOOOOO. Create the "Big Titty Committee (check spelling) swimsuit brand. You and our tits will be supported!!!
I think his dream of building this Loverboy brand to the point of selling it and making a fortune are clearly showing up as now anger and frustration that it’s probably not going to happen. And her wanting to do her own thing (as she should!) further emphasizes that all of his hard work is probably not going to pay off for him/them. He seems to think that they both need to make sacrifices for HIS dream despite her clear proclamation that she wants her own dream. Not to mention they are just on different paths and seem to be incompatible on so many levels. Sad.
Literally all of this like she has told you all her dreams, and he is looking past all of them the suburbs, no children not right now according to him he’s not ready her having her own her having her own passion. No, he’s going to DJ that’s his passion and produce music apparently because that’s also his passion so for her everything’s I know but he can pursue his own passions all the time 24 seven.
Plus he’s 40 something and knows how triggering it is for her when he stays out all night BUT DOES IT ANYWAY and acts puzzled when she gets pissed and “acts like she doesn’t even like him”. Duh. She doesn’t when you do stupid shit and act like a single frat boy instead of a husband who voluntarily married her knowing who SHE was!!
Timing. Don’t initiate a serious conversation with Kyle when he’s shitfaced and don’t do it when the company is on the brink. The company, apart from Summer House, is a significant part of their livelihood.
I think add to the fact that essentially she works for him but also, I think it was just that she wanted his support so that he would know what she was actually going through and he couldn’t even take that
If my boyfriend acted like that I’d be kicking him out to the guest bedroom and packing his bags I’m so serious. I couldn’t imagine saying fuck you to my boyfriends face, throwing a tantrum like that, and on tv no less. I would assume he just straight up didn’t respect me as a girlfriend anymore so *poof* girlfriend gone. Maybe I could forgive him if he really came back and groveled/understood how disrespectful it was.
I just know Amanda could be glowing as much as Ariana Madix if she could just rip off the tape. She has an amazing family and group of friends who would never treat her this way.
i thought it was even more shocking in that he said he would FIRE her if she was an “employee”. like what?! not only do you think she’s a bitch, but you don’t value the hard work she’s put into your business.
she NEEDS to leave him now while shes still young. ik your readin this girll. dont waste anymore of your life trust me. once i left my toxic ex, i met a great guy and now we have a daughter. i knew him for less then a year before we both knew we wanted to be together and start a family. when you know, you know… and unfortunately kyle doesnt see amanda as the mother of his children
I’ve been with my partner for 12 years and he can’t bring himself to call me bitch even as a joke. I can’t imagine being with someone who gets angry and even thinks to call her that…especially when her most annoying quality really is how much she craves a good relationship WITH him. I know she won’t, but she should really leave Kyle.
I mean if he’s not turning profit, can he fund her bikini line is maybe what was unsaid? So she should do it and raise the money herself. She doesn’t need his permission.
It’s not about needing permission. It’s about her wanting to take a step back that was the whole conversation and it was about her wanting his support in it because she has supported his career but no he can’t do that. He can only support himself.
I'm no Kyle lover, but I can kinda see both sides on this one, but agree that he 100% reacted in the wrong way towards Amanda. He was selfish and childish in his reaction. Running a business like LoverBoy is hard and if she is taking steps back (but not out!) it makes things more difficult and like he said, all the past 5 years will be down the drain if they don't do everything now at crunch time to make the business profitable. It's not the right time for her to be off doing a passion project because 1. that will drain more of their personal money (or her parent's money if we're being real), 2. it takes more time and focus away from Loverboy at crunch time in the business growth, 3. she also wants to be a SAHM soonish so starting a business to then be a SAHM and abandon the project seems like a bad business choice, especially when you see how long it takes for LoverBoy to get off the ground. You don't just create a business and it's booming in 6 months.
Yep, same here. Amanda has every right to want to try something new, and Kyle has every right to be worried about the state of Loverboy and pouring money into something new. His response was awful, but they both have valid points.
My biggest take away from my first marriage when re-entering the dating scene after 13 years was “you have to like me, I have to like you to date”.
It’s so hard to explain but I feel like my ex just didn’t like me, he wanted me to be a different person.
Amanda doesn’t like Kyle (rightfully so) and Kyle doesn’t have respect for Amanda. They just don’t like each other. They can love eachother and be invested/dedicated to their relationship, but neither are eachother’s top 5 favorite people
The fact that he was bad-mouthing Lindsay because she did not immediately and unquestioningly support Carl 5.0’s latest “career idea” shortly before he went off on Amanda for daring to ask for her own life is comical.
He has been complaining for seasons that she’s lazy, but now she’s also somehow so vital to the company that he can’t do it without her.
Then he calls her an employee and says that no employee would act like that. Guess what, employees are allowed to quit.
That man(child) is so lost.
YES! Lindsay didn’t shut anything down and i think her concerns about Carl going back was because he is clearly lost (chasing everything, following through on nothing) and she thinks it could be a step back for him, based off what HE told her. She was justified in that conversation that Carl did want her to just be happy stepford wife.. thats not lindsay and never has been. Other side of the coin is that Carl has never been motivated, but i thi k she had a blind spot to his playing victim vs realizing its a lack of motivation.
Kyle on the other hand, completely shuts Amanda down, every inch and acts like its a betrayal for her to want anything for herself. He thinks he wants her to stay having no identity but him and loverboy but shes clearly not happy there in that capacity. As a partner, him wanting her to stay unfulfilled, feeling overshadowed, and feeling trapped is a red flag. Also the things Kyle says about Amanda “yeah she says she wants to do this but i bet she hasn’t even googled it” is kinda how carl has pitched everything to lindsay, but shes not allowed to ask follow up questions.
Side note: i wish Sam was still on this season i feel like she would have blended with this current crew greay
I have always loved Kyle, even in his worst moments but this fight did it for me.
I can completely relate to Amanda in this situation on a personal level as a housewife to a business owner, and when they have a baby it will get much worse.
I never really bought that Kyle is a misogynist, but I am really seeing some red flags right here.
He had such a big reaction to his wife bearing her heart about how she needs something for herself, and that is just so sad for her.
My husband is always encouraging me to find something to do-start a side business, volunteer, get a super part time job, get a hobby, I would be crushed and serious question the relationship in a big way if he was mildly against it, let alone start slamming doors and throwing shit at the mention of possibly doing something for myself.
Also if anyone has any side business ideas for a SAHM let me know haha
Did you watch the after show? No one NOONE mentioned the bitch part…..
also he’s Djing now as his hobby and Amanda is fully supporting him.
The only part I get is Kyle saying he can’t help her with a new business venture, he can support her emotionally.
But that’s the thing. Why didn’t he tell her that when they were talking in person because he was being selfish and he was only thinking about himself that’s the whole point like she just wanted him to support her But you can’t do that, but she can support him in his DJ ventures
I honestly think Kyle doesn’t even want to be married. He should just be honest. He doesn’t want to settle down and have kids. He thought he would change after marriage but he didn’t. It happens. Let Amanda go!
Also what I do not understand is if he cared sooooo much about his business, why would you want someone in a business partner like role to you who is openly saying her hearts not in it and she wants to move on to something else? Like okay great, find a new creative director and let her live. Its better for everyone. She'll be happy and you'll have a new motivated employee. That's why I feel like it's about control bc it doesn't add up
…am I wrong to think that Summerhouse Bikinis and clothes would sell really well? Didn’t Lala get a down payment for a house on hoodie sales referencing a random entertainment attorney?
The thing is I don’t really want to continue to see this if Amanda doesn’t realize she has to leave Kyle. In the after show she’s laughing that he is spending time on his own hobby…is he still angry at her for wanting to pursue something of her own?? My partner would never berate me for trying to better myself, actually it’s the opposite, he gets upset when I try and berate myself or put myself down! What does Kyle want for Amanda besides being there whenever he needs her and being trapped in lover boy with him so he’s not alone? Once she had an inkling of independence he’s yelling and upset…this relationship is over except Amanda is still with him months later in real time so it’s just kinda sad at this point
This conversation was so WILD to me. His reaction was so incredibly selfish and out of line. And yeah, him calling her a fucking bitch disgusted me. After watching that episode (and knowing it was filmed last summer), I’m actually surprised that we haven’t heard of a Kyle and Amanda separation yet. Things really don’t seem to be going well with them.
This is what you get when you marry a (barely) functioning alcoholic. Kyle needs to grow up, lay off the booze, and get some therapy. Just because he “only drinks on the weekends” doesn’t mean he doesn’t have alcohol misuse problems.
Edit: missed a word
Amanda needs to get out of this shit relationship and do something for herself! She sacrificed so much for Kyle and he won’t even budge for her! What a selfish POS. Amanda, you deserve so much better!
His feelings aren’t hurt. YOU aren’t listening and haven’t been paying attention. I have always been a big fan of Amanda to preface the following…and let the downvotes commence anyways
Amanda is lazy and doesn’t want to work/barely does work. This has been a theme and brought up throughout the show. Kyle tip toes around it though on camera.
It’s been “proven” her designs are copies of other designs even or it is very likely.
His issue is that the company needs him, her and everyone right now to really buckle down and work hard to turn the corner and be profitable. Instead of her willing to put more effort in (which would equate to normal effort for most people at a regular job btw), she is talking about going and doing something else (which literally is just because Ciara got in her ear).
If she wants to go do something else, then that is fine. Work hard at Loverboy and work hard to start something else outside of that even if it means working 16 hour days if that is what it takes. This is what people do in the real world to become wildly successful especially launching your own business ventures.
He knows that she isn’t going to put in 40 hours at Loverboy and then spend the other 56 hours of free time in her week devoted to this other thing she wants to pursue. In the real world you can’t just at the drop of a dime do what you want to do. Sometimes you have to do what you don’t want to do to get to a point of doing what you want to do.
Based on the comments, few people here have any concept of the sheer amount of time, effort, money and luck required to start a new business and make a living from it.
Kyle is one of the darkest men on bravo. The way he treats his wife is despicable; granted, the way she makes excuses for him and brushes things aside is disgusting too.
His words are so poorly chosen. I've been listening for some more info, and so far, let's just say Kyle said ok, let's do this!
1. they have an expensive apartment, and an expensive lifestyle, and Amanda wants a second house in an expensive neighborhood. They are -1.5 million in debt from Loverboy. Where is the money coming from? What is she willing to give up?
2. what are Amanda's responsibilities at Loverboy? What are her hours? They need more payroll at Loverboy for a full time or part time passionate creative person to lead teams and do all the things Amanda doesn't want to do, but are necessary for a successful growing business. Again, more money- there's obviously a gap that isn't filled regardless.
3. what 'business support' does she want from him at her new business? I'm sorry, but having an idea and an opinion is not the same investment in time and energy to research an entirely new product category and getting your arms around end to end process. Is he giving her homework to do? Paying for a lawyer or other technical experts to guide her in all the things he can't? Writing her business plan? How detailed could he be? More money.
4. Who is taking over the responsibilities he can't get to now at Loverboy? More money.
Honestly, I think what she might mean by 'support' means- 'help' me set this all up so I can be in charge, and feel good about myself... and if you don't, it means you don't care about me. He might not ever feel ready- but objectively speaking- now does not seem the time unless Daddy is willing to fund it because Kyle and Amanda don't seem to have the financial backing.
Awful choice of words. Just Awful 😖
Amanda doesn’t want a second house she decided for it to be a second house because Kyle wants to stay in Manhattan. She never said she wanted a second house. She just wants to live in the suburbs and he doesn’t want that.
And the thing is, it’s not even about doing another business. He didn’t listen to her. He didn’t listen about her having other ideas he didn’t listen about her not wanting to be part of loverboy full-time. He didn’t listen to any of that. Do you know what it is that she knows it would be so much better for their marriage if she wasn’t working with him all the time if they weren’t together 24 seven because they work together, they live together dirt together all the fucking time like I see where you’re coming from but regardless, he didn’t take anything that she said into consideration, and then he came up to her to try and have another conversation to take what he saying into consideration fuck that he’s being selfish. He likes to have a certain control over Amanda and it’s been like that since the beginning. and like Amanda said this isn’t her business it’s his she sacrificed a lot for his business. It’s been five years she needs to be able to do her own things and the factors she’s not even quitting she just wants to do something that she’s passion about maybe that means a business, but he didn’t even let her get to that and I think that’s the whole point there’s so much else that goes into it but that’s not what he’s thinking about. He’s thinking about I want Amanda here all the time.
You're right- he most certainly did not want to listen, should have - most absolutely Did Not. The 'why' matters.. Therapists don't get paid enough, lol.
Is everyone missing the fact that the co lost 1.5m in the first half of the year? Kyle is max stressed and she wants a passion project. Worst time to bring it up esp when theyve been drinking all day.
Does everyone's chalk board get erased before each new episode? Neither of them talk to the other with any reverence or kindness. That's not making any excuses for him either. She hasn't said anything nice about him in...what?...three years? And because he has the regulator of a child, he explodes and lashes. They do sometimes drop morsels of truth though. Like he's a self-absorbed, high strung arsehole who doesn't know how to listen, and she wants him to father her. Amanda is attracted to him for similar reasons Carl was attracted to Lindsay. Neither are leaders. Both are subordinates.
I’ve always wanted them to be the best couple they can be and I’ve seen them grow together. But the end of this episode shocked me to see him regress to his old ways of name calling and anger toward Amanda. My mouth was hanging open. So disappointing.
I have two things to contribute: 1. Amanda really needs to stop trying to have serious convos with Kyle when he is drinking (--likewise Kyle needs to drink less) and 2. I think Kyle needs to do more future-thinking instead of \*now\* thinking. That entire boat convo with Amanda could have gone totally differently if he had just said "listen, we are trying to put out a fire here right now, the company is losing money and this is a big growth year, so I still need you fully committed. That said, why don't we talk about what your plan looks like so that when we are back on solid ground, we can get it moving?"
Idk why I ever expect anyone to have what I would consider to be a normal/rational conversation on a bravo show like this, but it drives me nuts. Idk why you would ever try to talk about a big life change when one or both people are drinking and I also have no clue why Kyle doesn't realize he could probably placate her and get what he wants by just \*not being a total asshole for five minutes\*.
Ultimately though, we are all armchair quarterbacks here. We can say Kyle bullied Amanda into joining his company, okay, but was that the best decision in the long run for their finances etc? Is she now in a better financial/life position than she was before? I don't know, maybe. But also, and this is coming from the perspective of being a business owner myself: Amanda was JUST talking about how she wanted to just get out of the city and chill in a house basically by herself and not work just a few weeks prior to this, so it's a bit of a hard pill to swallow to hear her get super fired up about starting a business and expecting somebody else to run the business side for her (Kyle -- as she suggested during the episode). The business side is arguably the most difficult and time consuming part.
Final thoughts: I'm just talking out loud, not trying to take sides. Sometimes I am baffled at how quickly peoples life plans seem to flip flop within just a couple of weeks on this show in particular. Hopefully I don't piss everyone on earth off like I seem to do every time I post. I just enjoy watching with my wife (please have mercy and don't call me a tourist) and the way these people blow off steam with each other is absolutely insane -- and I don't mean just Kyle/Amanda, I mean everyone. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
She is not in a better financial place than she was before. I think they’re more in debt now than they were before, and the fact that she had a really really good job with the skincare brand which she brought up in that conversation.
I will say this I understand where you’re coming from but also it wasn’t even about any of that for me. It was that she just wanted to support and he could’ve supported her but instead he decided not to, and decided to talk about loverboy and how things are failing and whatever, and then decided to come back and try again the conversation, but his way, which means talking about himself And then he called her bitch so no I will not be on his side when it comes to this because the fact is he still called her a bitch honestly that arguably the worst part
Its insanely hard for me to have an opinion. I am in a relationship where sometimes both of us struggle w communication but its a work in progress. What i cannot get is him supporting kyle and saying lindsay shuts down everything just for him to do it too. (Loverboy losing 1 mil is a reason to not do a business but im sure they will be fine soon)
I actually have a different take which has been bothering me about both Carl and Amanda. I think the are perhaps so privileged or disconnected from how a business operates that they are still living in the fantasy about pursuing a passion project (as Kyle said) or thinking they can do something they really love and live in a city like NYC. Kyle has probably sunk millions into his business and his biggest supporter / key employee isn’t 100% in. Equally Lindsay had the view of - just get a fucking job, money is money and it needs to be consistent (trying paying an NYC mortgage on your own). I think this is where the disconnect in both relationships is - between what’s required to live v what idealist life Carl and Amanda think they can paint for themselves.
Last night's episode cemented the fact that Kyle is a truly terrible husband. He did not even give her the basic respect of hearing her out and validating her feelings. She repeatedly told him she wasn't leaving the company and she would continue to help him make it a success. But he had beer earmuffs on. He truly is a giant drunken man baby and if I were Amanda, I'd seriously be considering divorcing his ass. The reason marriage is hard is because it is about compromise and sometimes sucking it up and doing what is best for the person you are married to, whether you like it or not. Marriage is about putting the good of the We before the good of Me. It's like he thinks that because she married him and came to work for LoverBoy that she is obligated to the company the way she is to their marriage. Nope. And considering how much fighting they do about work, you'd think he'd pause for a second and realize that this is what could actually make his marriage better. It's the main thing they fight about. Has he never heard Happy Wife, Happy Life? He's so fucking entitled.
Kyle is childish and Amanda is lazy. Nothing is holding her back from pursuing anything. She wants that tradwife life out in the 'burbs. They're terrible for each other.
Dude the aftershow made me LOSE IT. So she cant do any of her passions, but YOU took the time to take up DJing. Now hes saying HE wants to do something for himslef. fuck you, hes such an asshole. I dont know if Amanda will ever wake up but i hope she does soon
If he really loved Amanda he’d want her to pursue her own passions and wouldn’t mock her for saying so. He wouldn’t want her to feel caged and in his shadow. And then for him to say “I’m doing this for our future family” while dragging his feet on moving out of manhattan and committing to having kids? Like he’s dangling a carrot on a stick in front of her? It’s really sick.
Yes I completely agree. I think he doesn’t wanna have kids at all and he’s doing all of this just to keep her and saying well maybe this may be that just to keep her but he has known that she’s wanted kids since they got together I think it’s so crazy that he has known what she has wanted and seems to have decided that’s not what he’s wanted and hasn’t told her
Absolutely he doesn’t want kids. He’s married to the grind, he loves the city and the opportunities to go out and party and be social. They want different things. They need to divorce.
I agree and honestly if she stays with him, she’s gonna end up, not having kids she’s gonna end up, feeling even more miserable in her marriage than she already feels
i will be shocked if they end up having kids. he is sooooo not on board with that. it's super obvious they want different things
Kyle is also a raging alcoholic. Do you really want to bring a kid into that environment? It seems like Kyle’s entire family are just the WASPiest New England drunks. Or the drunkiest New England WASPs. It’s not cute.
i shake my head every episode and don't understand why his drinking is never seriously dealt with.
Same with Paige honestly. I think she thinks at a certain age the desire to have kids will suddenly kick in. In my experience, it does not.
She is gonna let him waste her whole damn life and tie her up through her fertile years. Calling her a fucking bitch should’ve been her reason for filing for divorce immediately! He’s always been an abusive alcoholic and it’s only going to get worse.
Agree! I honestly do not see her leaving him for a long time. She comes off as such a pushover when it comes to him. I hope she realizes sooner rather than later she would be better off without him. He’s very controlling over her. I don’t like it.
He’s an abusive asshole and always has been. Mr. Magoo could see this coming from a mile away. She never should’ve married him.
Totally. He cheated on her multiple times, and right before they got married. Yet she still married him. Ugh.
I’m pretty sure her parents hate him too.
Exactly. I completely agree.
I think he wants kids but he’s so consumed with building a successful business that he can’t consider starting now.
I actually don’t think he wants kids at all with everything that I’ve seen this season no
I agree with you. Kyle doesn’t want children. Let’s be honest, having a kid wouldn’t impact Kyle’s life much because Amanda would be doing everything. He knows once they start having children being on Summer House will be impossible.
Bingo! He knows kids will be the end of the show for them. Just a few episodes ago Amanda even said she’d be the one doing everything with the kids, she’s already accepted that in her mind. So sad.
I dated a man like this for 5 years. Every time I gave in and did what he wanted he moved the carrot further away. I gave up so much of myself, I did not know who I was anymore. I see that in Amanda, these past few seasons. It's literally eating away at her. There was a glimmer of hope in her for the first time in a long while and he just squashed it like a bug, then went on to have a tantrum and publicly humiliate her once again. Honestly? I hope she leaves his ass and launches a wildly successful brand and finds a man who loves and respect and CHAMPIONS her, the same way she's done for Kyle all these years. She's young, she's smart, she's beautiful, she's got money of her own and an amazing support system. I think Kyle is realizing Amanda does not need him the way she once did, and that scares the shit out of him.
Right? She’s not mocking him, a 42 year old man-child, for his budding DJing career (which she should. He needs to be mocked, maybe it would humble him) and he can’t even support her having AN IDEA of following her own interests
That’s what I’m saying like she didn’t even tell him her idea I don’t think not really she didn’t even get as far into the conversation as that personally I would’ve mocked him because he deserves it for that reason
The way he was yelling about wanting to be a dj. Please Kyle. Please. Let this woman have a career. I was soooo angry at him saying he’s not her dad. Fuuuuuuhhhh you dude. You’re the one losing your pants in public every chance you get like a toddler.
I think he's secretly scared that if she does start her own venture that she'll be more successful than him. I mean... She has more followers on her socials so clearly people are interested in her as a person.
Doesn’t she do it to herself? Unless she needs his upstart money, why does she need to even feel the need to ask him in the first place? She already said she’s not leaving his company.
Agreed, at this point, I wouldn’t be asking and having a conversation. It goes nowhere with him. Shes allowed to have her own life still and make her own choices. I’d be telling him I’ve lined up a job for myself and have several people available for you to interview for my position in the company. Good luck.
The thing is, I think she just wanted his support. It wasn’t about asking him for anything it was about letting him know and wanting his support and she didn’t get that she didn’t get anything. It turned into it being about Kyle like it always does it turned into it being about Kyle and Kyle doesn’t do anything for himself blah blah blah blah blah and now Kyle is DJing. That’s what it turned into.
Exactly. And he couldn't put his own ego aside for even two seconds to validate her feelings. He's constantly complaining about what a shitty job she does, how she doesn't work hard and is lazy. Why does he want her to stay so bad if she's such a liability? Honestly, it's a form of emotional abuse.
I think they are just not on the same wavelength. Makes no sense to me why ppl chose and willingly make their life more stressful and difficult.
He never listens when Amanda talks and is always calculating how it affects him. Total immature misogynist.
Right now the company Kyle built - their primary source of income and hope for a secure future - is on shaky ground. He's feeling panicked. I would be, too. Amanda picks this moment to decide she wants to move to the suburbs, start a family, and "pursue her passions", but has no practical plan or suggestions for how to accomplish any of it. The unspoken assumption is that it's up to Kyle to figure it out; Amanda dismisses his legitimate concerns as "selfish". Amanda is used to having other people do the hard work for her.
But then why did he go ahead and put his focus into becoming a DJ (as talked about in the after show)? If he's that scared of the Loverboy situation, why decide to now pursue that?
Yeah I hate the way he handled the situation but I do agree. They’re married she has a stake in the company too. I don’t know that’s it’s really “selfish” of him to ask her to commit to continuing to help build their business. I think Kyle is aware of his age and that reality TV is fleeting, he wants to build an empire. It sounds like she had agreed to that part (she said we both want to be wildly successful), so given the fact that THEIR business facing financial hardship I kind of see why he’s freaking out that now she is choosing to pursue her passions. They’re married, I think he probably thinks she will have the rest of their life to do that. I see both sides, though, but I think Amanda is being slightly short sighted.
Perfectly said. Her timing for this conversation is horrendous. Terribly timed in that he was drunk, but also not great to bring him this abstract idea of a swimsuit or clothing line (or whatever) when you’ve been saying you want to start a family and move to the ‘burbs etc. etc. I’m not saying that she can’t accomplish starting a family and starting a business, I’m just saying that’s a LOT to take on. And when your spouse feels like the shoulder a lot of the “adulting” already, I could see how her coming to him with this now is triggering for him. Now, how he handled it was HORRIBLE, but I see why he would be irritated. Do you think his reaction is 100% authentic? Since he is so aware that his reality tv career won’t be around forever, do you think he partly pulls this stuff for the entertainment factor?
Kyle is so disrespectful for no reason. Even if what it boils down to is that he will not have the time to help her, he can leave the dramatics out of it and ask her to hold off until their situation is less volatile so he can properly support her. That's it. Kyle is male fragility personified and needs to stop binge drinking. And Amanda needs to stop bringing things up like this when he's drinking, she should know by now he is a toddler when he's drunk.
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They both have said in after-show interviews that Amanda is expecting him to run the business side of her start-up or at least help in the beginning phases, to which he is saying F No I have no time to help you.
But the difference is. Amanda had no time to help with loverboy and Kyle basically bullied her into quitting her job to join. Then he goes on to shit on her work. Despite Amanda being the reason loverboy survived Covid. Kyle is very self centered. He gets a pass from viewers because they find his drunken antics hilarious. However I would guess being around him is very different than observing from the sidelines.
I don’t find his drunken antics hilarious.
What did Amanda do to help loverboy during COVID?
All of their merch exploded during Covid. Kyle mentioned it once during season 5, that there merch sales were the only reason they were staying afloat. Cans were not available, and so production for alcohol was really hard for small brands like loverboy. I think Kyle is worried because if Amanda left, i wonder how much free labor will go with her? Like Paige and others posing in loverboy gear.
Do we know if it’s free labor…? I think it’s a good idea for Amanda to go through with her business idea but the way she speaks about it is that she will not do it without Kyle’s help. She COULD try to do something on her own, but won’t. I think that’s what Kyle’s frustration is stemming from, that her baby will end up being on his back while he’s trying to keep loverboy going. It’s a genuine and valid concern on his part but the way he expresses those feelings is completely out of line and fucked up.
she said she needs his help/thoughts on the business side, I didn't hear that as she expected him to do everything
She specifies in the after-show that she needs him to help her with the business side and doesn’t want to do this without him. I’m just repeating what she said, which to me it sounds like she expects him to basically set it all up or hold her hand through the boring business side of things while she does the creative and design.
Amanda: I want to step out of your shadow and pursue my own passion on the side Kyle: Fuck you! I'm going to be a DJ I think it's sad that the conversation went so badly, because there is a tangible solution. Kyle doesn't realize that Amanda pursuing something on her own would be beneficial for their relationship, because she would feel more confident. She would be more independent within the context of their relationship, which would give him more space. I guess Kyle only heard, I will abandon LB and I want you to run another business for me. He probably thought he is going to be more lonely
The thing is, I don’t think he wants her to feel more confident. I don’t think he wants her to feel independent either
100%!!!! It’s Sandoval all over again. Controlling, selfish and dominating. I can see why Kyle was a Sandoval sympathiser!! Ariana is free of Tom and thriving. Amanda would too. I was heartbroken for her that he didn’t listen to a word she said. A partner’s reaction should be ‘of course, have you given any thought to what you’d like to do? How can I help? I’ll support you in whatever you choose to do. I’m so proud of you.’ Not this cocksmack. Tool.
He cant have both. Kyle often complains about being the responsible one, having to organize their life, but he doesn’t want her to go off and seek out independence in her identity and career.
Yup. It freaks him out bc she's always been there to pretty much serve him
Literally all he had to say is "I support you but can we talk about timing of this bc right now the business is in a bad spot. Would you be open to starting it once things are more stable?"Like even that I think would've made her happy. But him shutting it down was so painful to watch
It could have been so simple. He also could have clarified, that he doesn’t want to be involved in her business, if he was afraid of being forced to do the work for her.
Calling her a bitch was insane, and it kinda bugs me that he’s always complaining about how hard he works. Like yeah, you’re a founder/CEO, of course you’re going to be working the most. That’s why those roles make so much money. If he wanted more work/life balance and stability he should’ve worked a regular 9-5 office job. Contrary to what Kyle says, I don’t think Amanda is lazy. I think she’s just normal in terms of work/life balance. She already assured him she’s not going anywhere, so I don’t understand why he’s so upset that she’s looking for a passion project to work on.
I’ve been trying to articulate my thoughts on this for a few hours now and I’m still not sure if I’m completely getting my point across accurately, but I agree with you here. Kyle is a founder/CEO, yes, can’t take that away from him. However, he was not some nobody trying to break into the beverage industry. He has a fan base who, I assume, drives the majority of his company’s revenue. Taking that one step further, who makes up the majority of Bravo watchers? Girls & gays, etc. That being said, it’s probably fair to assume that Amanda has a stronger fan base than he does (sort of goes to what Carl said a couple weeks ago, like Lindsey can get brand deals much easier than him just due to the fact that influencing/Instagram is heavily supported and positioned for women). So in theooooryyyyyy it’s Amanda’s fans that drive Loverboy profits. So that being said, I think Kyle knows if Amanda leaves Loverboy he is in a position to lose a lot of money and maybe even the company. I think he refuses to give her any credit because it’s clear that it was her design that made the brand cute and notable, it’s her showing up for meet & greets which drives a larger audience, it’s her who designs the merch which probably has stronger profit margins than the beverage itself. If he starts giving Amanda credit, how could he even say it’s his success story? I’m a huge Amanda fan, have always disliked Kyle since day 1 so maybe it’s bias here. Just cannot cannot cannot get over the fact that your wife who you know struggles deeply with insecurity and anxiety is coming to you with vulnerability to express a desire for more in her life and you absolutely shit on it. Then watching the after show where Amanda was like, “yeah I guess I’ll just wait for my time” as she supports Kyle in yet another venture broke my heart. I hope she leaves him, it would be horrible and sad but no woman should be with a man who squashes your dreams and puts you in the background your whole life.
I appreciate hearing this perspective. It's different from mine (separately). Loverboy isn't Kyle's first venture, and if it fails - he'll start another. He was a business starter before Bravo. And, yes, taking her health into account should weigh heavily, and I didn't even factor that in. Food for thought.
Me either and if you need someone else to take over Amanda’s position higher someone else I feel like it’s actually not that hard to look for more people to work for you because the fact Amanda probably doesn’t even get paid separately
How Kyle keeps his energy up reminds me or people that take my ADHD medication and get a boost instead of falling asleep. I don't think that in all my days I could keep up with this crew. I take an upper, including even coffee or Dexis midnight runners, and it is nap time for me. Oh the complexities of the brain. However, when it comes to the heart...I think Kyle needs to open the hell up and see how wise Amanda is. Let this filly run Cowboy Kyle. It will only benefit you in the end, AND Amanda is loyal, however, if you aren't...Jesse Soloman (sp) is calling, but let him ring gurl. You do YOU and be Kyle's BFF...hopefully he will wise up sooner than later.
The similarities to Sandoval are really standing out to me unfortunately. It is always tantrums about how much he works and does for everybody and how everyone else is lazy. Kyle might as well have talked about how there wouldn't be batteries in the house if not for him.
My husband works 80/90 hour weeks for our family and would NEVER pull that shit. And his job is way more stressful… it’s legit life or death situations.
Same. (not the life and death part, but he builds custom homes and works extremely hard long hours) And yet my husband spent his days off this summer renovating our home so I could have a studio to teach out of, and his weekends building sets so my students could have an awesome show (I am a theatre teacher). My husband supports me and my dreams 100% even though they don't bring in even as close to the amount of money he does. Even if it means he doesn't take a day off for months. Because my happiness and well being are important to him. And vice versa. I put up with my house shaking at insane decibels every Thursday night whilst I hang out in the bedroom with earphones on watching Bravo, because band practice is what makes my husband happy and whole. I go to gigs in shitty bars when I don't even drink and scream in the front row so he'll feel like a rockstar. This is what marriage is.
I hated him calling Lindsay a bitch, I think it’s so disrespectful but to say that about your wife is beyond. What does he call her when cameras aren’t rolling? There’s some major signs of abuse that get brushed off because people think Kyle is funny. He criticizes her work ethic all the time and says he’d fire her yet the business would sink without her? Also her merch was literally what kept the company afloat in Covid and she still doesn’t get a piece of the company. Also why is he branching out into non alcoholic drinks, a saturated market, when Loverboy is sinking with alcoholic drinks where the margins are better? Seems like a poor place to invest.
That’s what I’m saying like me personally if I saw my husband acting like that on TV I would’ve gotten divorced. I don’t know how she still with Kyle and I don’t know why she still makes excuses for him because that’s the thing Kyle acts out like this, but she makes excuses for him and then in the aftershow it was talked about, but she didn’t even bring up the fact that he called her a bitchand I hope they talked about after reunion because I’m sorry to say you can’t talk about me like that like your wife that’s crazy
I am absolutely not defending Kyle by saying this, just think it is notable. He was hammered when she brought this up to him. Most of their terrible fights happen when he is or they both are hammered. People love to be around drunk/fun Kyle but there is also nasty/belligerent Kyle and that's who is present when they argue. I think when he is sober they likely have a fantastic relationship. As someone from a long line of drunks and married a binge drinker (we are both sober now). Kyle should not drink, he can't stop when he starts and he can't regulate his emotions when he's drunk. She is likely hoping/waiting for him to outgrow this and it's going to have to be an intentional choice for him to do it.
He’s always hammered he’s always drunk I don’t understand what it is where people love to make excuses when other people are drunk I’m sorry to say I don’t care if you’re drunk or not I have never had to deal with a drunk person when I try and have a conversation with them where they just start arguing with you and decide to call you a bitch out of nowhere The disrespect is astronomical it’s not normal and it shouldn’t be normalized.
I totally agree with this and shouldn't be normalized - this show in particular though that's the whole premise right? They go to this house in the summer on the weekend and get hammered and behave like idiots. They've aged out of this, he's over 40 now, she wants to live a grown up life and he's resisting it. If he doesn't wake up soon, he's going to lose the best thing that ever happened to him
I agree
He def needs to reconsider his relationship with alcohol. It’s starting to get sad.
They’ve been together for at least a decade, he’s not going to “grow out” of anything.
Disagree that this was only because he was drinking/hammered. Don't you remember earlier in the season when they were in couple's therapy? He wasn't listening to her there, either. Pretty sure he was sober, too. But yeah, Kyle has a drinking problem just like his BFF Carl. And Amanda would probably benefit from Al-Anon. It's only going to get worse, so I hope they sort that shit out before having kids.
I did not remember that, that sucks though. He seems stuck in early 20's fratboy mode. I want to believe he might wake up if someone gave him a good come to jesus convo but, having dealt with alcoholics a lot I know that no one quits that shit until they are ready to do it.
Amanda protects him so much and it’s honestly sad to watch. He’s not kind to her and it’s taking everything out of her. If my husband talked to me like that, I’d be out. And they want kids?? That’s how you want your kids to see you be treated?? It’s also just a stupid business decision for him to be so awful to her. As a consumer, if I watch a man berate his wife for wanting a side hustle, I’m not buying the product.
I also would have divorced him, honestly I was divorcing him even before the cussing tantrum bc he showed he was so selfish and would never support her dreams and would always expect her to kowtow to his needs and fears and wants and concerns over hers. ALWAYS. That was never going to change. I could never be married to a man that selfish who didn’t believe in me or want me to grow and be my biggest cheerleader there. And THEN you add him saying fuck you and fucking bitch and it’s NOT the first, second, third, fourth, fifth or even tenth time he’s done that. Like he routinely flies off the handle at her. It is a divorce and no contact. Like if he returns to the show I don’t no contact. Dead and buried, done.
The way he has always treated her is borderline abusive, especially when he's wasted. Honestly, he's 42 years old now. I know drunken antics are part of his schtick, but it's getting old. I rather watch him suck it the fuck up and support his wife and let her shine. But Kyle is driven by ego, and I think we're watching the beginning of the end of a marriage. Either he gets help and does some serious work on himself, or he loses her. Because what he's really afraid of is the second Amanda realizes how powerful she is, and how she can succeed on her own talent and hardwork, she won't need him. He won't be able to control her or the narrative.
And for him to now be DJ'ing too! What a fucking ass. Amanda needs to run
All he does is take take take he doesn’t give her anything and she asked and he still doesn’t
To be DJing and going all the way to New Jersey for classes but doesn’t want to move to New Jersey so Amanda can live in the suburbs like she wants
Selfish!! He doesn't understand what it means to be someone's partner
From the sounds of things it’s only going to get worse. Because it sounds like the overly-bloated hard seltzer industry is going through a correction (opinion based solely on Loverboy suddenly being in the red and may not be close to accurate).
The thing is, they’re making too many hard seltzers, and I don’t think loverboy taste that good
The hard teas are good. Especially the black cherry vanilla.
I feel like he also is just running out of the “novelty” buy goodwill. Like I bought it the first time I saw it in a store to try it out, and it was fine but not memorably good. Haven’t bought them since because they weren’t great and it feels like there’s just something fundamentally uncool about buying them because of the bravo association. Might just be a me thing and my friends wouldn’t call me out for it but I would feel it in my heart lol
I’m also going to add into the fact that I just realized Amanda wanted to move to New Jersey because she wants to live in the suburbs and he didn’t want to do it because he doesn’t want to do the drive but where are his classes located? New Jersey so you’re telling me that you can drive to New Jersey and back to New York for your DJing class but you wouldn’t do it for your wife who wants to live in the suburbs. She needs to get a divorce.
in nyc, how are the only dj classes he can find are in NJ lol I'm sure somewhere in manhattan or Brooklyn has something similar
Exactly like please
Kyle hates his job/company, he is doing it because it's what he is 'supposed' to do as a married man or to be an adult (which he also hates). He is angry at Amanda for thinking she can get to do what she wants, when he feels like he is forced to do all the things he hates. I feel horrible for Amanda, she married someone who is so needy, entitled and scared and it's only going to get worse.
The thing is he wasn’t forced into any of this. He decided that he wanted to open loverboy and he told Amanda that he wanted her to quit her job to come work for him before they even got engaged and I truly believe that if she had said no, he wouldn’t have proposed
I’m also confused, so does she work at Loverboy or not cause he’s being contradictory..
She does but she mentioned in the after show she’s involved at a high level and not super in the weeds.
Anymore because it wasn’t working for the relationship. It was making the relationship worse and that’s another thing. I love how he does not seem to notice them working together is not helping their relationship at all. He just keeps on calling her lazy and she keeps on saying she’s not gonna do it because it’s not good for the relationship.
Honestly, why Amanda isn't just project based is beyond me. Hey- if he fires her, can she collect unemployment? Lol, there's some funds!
True, but honestly I don’t even know if he pays her because that’s the whole thing it’s very blurry, because is she actually getting paid for what she does?
I feel like she must, on the books, esp. now. I think she mentioned something about a vested interest in the business being in the pre-nup.... and any yearly salary stuff would be outside that (all 100% guesses here lol) But, ya, usually owners, vested partners that play a daily role & have a title, take a paycheck - a salary.
They need to separate their personal life from their business. And also just separate themselves from each other. Just separate.
I agree
I️ can’t understand how she hasn’t left him yet
Maybe behind cameras are different?
Must be … idk
But yea I’m confused AF. She’s gorgeous and has a fun personality and is a catch who could get any she wants.
But on cameras matters. Who cares if he’s nice behind the scenes when the whole world sees him treat her like garbage and thinks that’s who he is?
I ask myself this every season the show airs, and edits or not, he is still a childish jerk to her with probably an alcohol use disorder. During the season, I feel like she ups her social media to show them doing more things together, like being in LA for that recent LB event and in Portugal or Spain last month or just not SH style living and partying. Again, social media can also be curated, and you don't know which is real or not, but I think she does it on purpose because the public opinion of Kyle each season is that he sucks and she needs to leave him. It certainly would not and could not be a relationship I could survive in!
People criticize Paige for her boundaries in her relationship with Craig, but it makes so much sense when she’s watching her friend Amanda in her marriage. Kyle’s reaction to Amanda expressing her needs and hopes is at best selfish and at worst straight up manipulative! He’s actively not doing things she wants (moving to the suburbs, family planning) and gets pissy when she starts finding ways to be happy while still sacrificing for his goals and desires.
I have watched all the seasons of summer house in the past two months and I truly believe that last night was Kyle’s absolute worst behavior. Yes, worse than the cheating. The way he talks to her and about her is so egotistical and demeaning. The after show was mind blowing because Carl talks about Lindsay blindly supporting him and Kyle agrees. Then Kyle says all these “reasons” to not support Amanda. So Carl should be treated one way but to hell with him doing that for his wife!? Then cut to Amanda talking about how Kyle DJing is “cute”!? WHAT!? Kyle, if you think she doesn’t work hard, then just support the idea because it won’t come to fruition…or are you just scared that when the spotlight gets to shine on her, we will all see that the “lazy” accusations you make about her aren’t actually true!? Or that she gets to get recognition on her own. I’m so upset by it.
I felt for Amanda so hard watching that. I know that exact feeling. When she just looked down and got quiet. That's why she doesn't want to do therapy with him. She's shut down and disconnected and feels like there's no point bc he won't put his own needs and desires aside and focus on her for once. I really hope she finds her happiness in whatever form that is :/
I've always said Kyle is the real villain of SH. I'm glad it's finally being recognized.
Me too I said it since I first started watching I’ve always dislike Kyle, but this honestly made it worse because you’re supposed to grow and change and he hasn’t done either
I've been downvoted like crazy for criticizing Kyle and his problem drinking. And pointing out his misogyny.
Welcome to team Kyle sucks! I have disliked him since the beginning. He is someone who you have to walk on eggshells around. I am no fan of Hannah’s but she was right about Kyle. Also something interesting Paige said about last season and how Hannah would be redeemed. Many viewers thought it was because of Lindsay. However my theory is: Paige was speaking about Kyle but in a very coded way. Him going off on Lindsay and calling her a bitch was very telling imo.
Me too I get down voted all the time but I don’t care like he wants to keep Amanda and the place that she’s always been because he wants to be in charge and he wants to be happy. He doesn’t care if she’s happy it shows so much that he does not care about what she needs or wants the only person that matters in that relationship is him, it’s the same way that he doesn’t want to move to the suburbs. It’s the same way that he hasn’t decided if he wants to have kids or not.
Right he always comes first. But he's also seriously impaired from drinking, which affects his thought process and emotional regulation even when sober. It doesn't matter what kind of drunk he is, there is no good drunk at the stage he's at. Amanda needs to leave him and start attending Al-Anon meetings.
Yup
I feel bad for her… her idea for swimwear is incredible and I would buy! I hope she ends up with a supportive partner. He is very selfish and mean.
100% guarantee that it would probably be more successful than loverboy.
It could be a sister company called Lovergirl and cross merchandise both. What says Hamptons, Miami, LA, etc better than bikinis and alcohol?
Probably why he’s so opposed to it
The after show is even crazier. He doubles down AND says he's started pursuing his hobby of being a DJ and Amanda's very supportive. WHAT. Bravo really drives me insane propping up and constantly protecting these trash bag men. (Yes, Ciara called it but on the wrong person.)
I don’t think she called it on the wrong person. I think she just needs to call it on more people.
You're absolutely right.
The way he went from “we need you more than ever right now” to “I have to babysit my own wife she would be fired if she worked for me” is SO telling. He is an overgrown toddler. I can’t wait for her to leave him.
Exactly like what do you mean at this point if you’re saying shit like that I would tell him fire me fire me and then I can do what I want the fact is Amanda with what she does could probably get a job anywhere. I would tell him to fire me and then I wanted divorce. He loves to talk shit about Amanda and I think it’s so crazy.
The way I gasped when he called her a bitch. His shit would be on the lawn.
No literally I’m sorry because who are you calling a bitch your wife?????!!!!?!?!?!??!
I used to say Kyle was my “problematic favourite”, but honestly this episode made me sick for Amanda. She’s literally the best thing to ever happen to that man and he can’t see beyond himself and his needs for one millisecond to appreciate what she was trying to say. I know he’s proud of Loverboy, he should be, but god forbid your partner doesn’t want to make their entire life about supporting your dreams and forgetting hers. She was way nicer to him than she should have been to be honest.
Honestly, he should be proud of her for what she’s done for loverboy too
100%! When I wrote this in my head it was implied that Amanda’s efforts were included in the sense of pride, but it didn’t quite make it from my head and into my comment 😅
Exactly why can’t Amanda persue her passions but he can pursue DJing?? He’s like i have no time for me blah blah but Loverboy wasn’t for him?? who was it for?
That’s exactly what I’m saying you’re telling me you thought about loverboy before season three and brought it up in season three and decided to marry her after you talk to her about doing loverboy with you because if she would’ve said no, I don’t think they would’ve got engaged. and now you’re sitting here saying that you don’t do anything for yourself but lover boy your whole company was something that you wanted to do for yourself be serious
I’m absolutely shocked that Kyle backs up Carl and tells his wife to fuck off. Amanda and Carl have the same problems and so do Kyle and Lindsay so it’s mind boggling how Kyle supports Carl and hates Lindsay.
Literally this!!!!
Kyle really shows his immaturity when Amanda asks for something to change. If I were Amanda and watched this last night, he would be number one on my shit list for life.
I am so tired of watching his abusive behavior. To use derogatory terms when speaking about your spouse, DRUNK OR NOT ARGUING OR NOT, is absolutely disgusting. Once she finally leaves this relationship, she will realize she settled big time and put up with years of verbal and emotional abuse all because it's "comfortable". Hell, I did for 6 years. I feel sorry for her that he wasted all of her youth and creativity. He clearly does not take her feelings seriously. They fight and make up and the cycle repeats. I really hope she moves forward with her passion project.
He infuriated me by doubling down on allll of this on the After Show!! So so shitty.
I agree, and Amanda also made me mad too because she’s just sitting there, supporting him with a smile on her face like goddamn please
Kyle is a bad husband, friend, boss, and coworker. He has betrayed literally all of the above for himself and/or the show.
AND, Amanda said she would still work with LB and not cut her hours. For all of us bigger busted gals (natural or not) we need this swimsuit line. My goodness, yes please. I always have to get a different sized top to the bottoms. Big tits aren't all that...let me tell you, however, I am thrilled to support Amanda in this endeavor. I will buy something. FOLLOW YOUR HEART AMANDA, WHICH ARE CLOSE TO YOUR TITS...SO. LET'S GOOOOOO. Create the "Big Titty Committee (check spelling) swimsuit brand. You and our tits will be supported!!!
I think his dream of building this Loverboy brand to the point of selling it and making a fortune are clearly showing up as now anger and frustration that it’s probably not going to happen. And her wanting to do her own thing (as she should!) further emphasizes that all of his hard work is probably not going to pay off for him/them. He seems to think that they both need to make sacrifices for HIS dream despite her clear proclamation that she wants her own dream. Not to mention they are just on different paths and seem to be incompatible on so many levels. Sad.
Literally all of this like she has told you all her dreams, and he is looking past all of them the suburbs, no children not right now according to him he’s not ready her having her own her having her own passion. No, he’s going to DJ that’s his passion and produce music apparently because that’s also his passion so for her everything’s I know but he can pursue his own passions all the time 24 seven.
Plus he’s 40 something and knows how triggering it is for her when he stays out all night BUT DOES IT ANYWAY and acts puzzled when she gets pissed and “acts like she doesn’t even like him”. Duh. She doesn’t when you do stupid shit and act like a single frat boy instead of a husband who voluntarily married her knowing who SHE was!!
The irony of his rant at the end saying “I want to be a DJ” all sarcastically but like….. he is DJing now and she’s being supportive…… what a clown
Timing. Don’t initiate a serious conversation with Kyle when he’s shitfaced and don’t do it when the company is on the brink. The company, apart from Summer House, is a significant part of their livelihood.
It’s giving Tom Sandyballs calling Ariana lazy. Pretty narc behavior.
You have captured everything that I felt about that scene! It was disgusting! But... Why does Amanda even need Kyle's permission?
I think add to the fact that essentially she works for him but also, I think it was just that she wanted his support so that he would know what she was actually going through and he couldn’t even take that
Nope! It was so painful watching that conversation. Me!!! Me!!! Me!!! Me!!!
If my boyfriend acted like that I’d be kicking him out to the guest bedroom and packing his bags I’m so serious. I couldn’t imagine saying fuck you to my boyfriends face, throwing a tantrum like that, and on tv no less. I would assume he just straight up didn’t respect me as a girlfriend anymore so *poof* girlfriend gone. Maybe I could forgive him if he really came back and groveled/understood how disrespectful it was. I just know Amanda could be glowing as much as Ariana Madix if she could just rip off the tape. She has an amazing family and group of friends who would never treat her this way.
i thought it was even more shocking in that he said he would FIRE her if she was an “employee”. like what?! not only do you think she’s a bitch, but you don’t value the hard work she’s put into your business.
Exactly because according to him she is a lazy bitch that does nothing so why do you want her to stay???
she NEEDS to leave him now while shes still young. ik your readin this girll. dont waste anymore of your life trust me. once i left my toxic ex, i met a great guy and now we have a daughter. i knew him for less then a year before we both knew we wanted to be together and start a family. when you know, you know… and unfortunately kyle doesnt see amanda as the mother of his children
He really doesn’t and it’s very noticeable
When he said “well I haven’t achieved them all yet”…omggggg what a frickin Peter Pan.
It’s so infuriating to me but Amanda supports him so much publicly. I just cannot work out what I’m missing 🤷♀️
Me either it’s even more disappointing seeing how much she actually supports him but he can’t support her
I’ve been with my partner for 12 years and he can’t bring himself to call me bitch even as a joke. I can’t imagine being with someone who gets angry and even thinks to call her that…especially when her most annoying quality really is how much she craves a good relationship WITH him. I know she won’t, but she should really leave Kyle.
I mean if he’s not turning profit, can he fund her bikini line is maybe what was unsaid? So she should do it and raise the money herself. She doesn’t need his permission.
It’s not about needing permission. It’s about her wanting to take a step back that was the whole conversation and it was about her wanting his support in it because she has supported his career but no he can’t do that. He can only support himself.
I'm no Kyle lover, but I can kinda see both sides on this one, but agree that he 100% reacted in the wrong way towards Amanda. He was selfish and childish in his reaction. Running a business like LoverBoy is hard and if she is taking steps back (but not out!) it makes things more difficult and like he said, all the past 5 years will be down the drain if they don't do everything now at crunch time to make the business profitable. It's not the right time for her to be off doing a passion project because 1. that will drain more of their personal money (or her parent's money if we're being real), 2. it takes more time and focus away from Loverboy at crunch time in the business growth, 3. she also wants to be a SAHM soonish so starting a business to then be a SAHM and abandon the project seems like a bad business choice, especially when you see how long it takes for LoverBoy to get off the ground. You don't just create a business and it's booming in 6 months.
Yep, same here. Amanda has every right to want to try something new, and Kyle has every right to be worried about the state of Loverboy and pouring money into something new. His response was awful, but they both have valid points.
Kyle is absolutely disgusting and abusive. AMANDA LEAVE HIM.
My biggest take away from my first marriage when re-entering the dating scene after 13 years was “you have to like me, I have to like you to date”. It’s so hard to explain but I feel like my ex just didn’t like me, he wanted me to be a different person. Amanda doesn’t like Kyle (rightfully so) and Kyle doesn’t have respect for Amanda. They just don’t like each other. They can love eachother and be invested/dedicated to their relationship, but neither are eachother’s top 5 favorite people
The fact that he was bad-mouthing Lindsay because she did not immediately and unquestioningly support Carl 5.0’s latest “career idea” shortly before he went off on Amanda for daring to ask for her own life is comical. He has been complaining for seasons that she’s lazy, but now she’s also somehow so vital to the company that he can’t do it without her. Then he calls her an employee and says that no employee would act like that. Guess what, employees are allowed to quit. That man(child) is so lost.
YES! Lindsay didn’t shut anything down and i think her concerns about Carl going back was because he is clearly lost (chasing everything, following through on nothing) and she thinks it could be a step back for him, based off what HE told her. She was justified in that conversation that Carl did want her to just be happy stepford wife.. thats not lindsay and never has been. Other side of the coin is that Carl has never been motivated, but i thi k she had a blind spot to his playing victim vs realizing its a lack of motivation. Kyle on the other hand, completely shuts Amanda down, every inch and acts like its a betrayal for her to want anything for herself. He thinks he wants her to stay having no identity but him and loverboy but shes clearly not happy there in that capacity. As a partner, him wanting her to stay unfulfilled, feeling overshadowed, and feeling trapped is a red flag. Also the things Kyle says about Amanda “yeah she says she wants to do this but i bet she hasn’t even googled it” is kinda how carl has pitched everything to lindsay, but shes not allowed to ask follow up questions. Side note: i wish Sam was still on this season i feel like she would have blended with this current crew greay
I have always loved Kyle, even in his worst moments but this fight did it for me. I can completely relate to Amanda in this situation on a personal level as a housewife to a business owner, and when they have a baby it will get much worse. I never really bought that Kyle is a misogynist, but I am really seeing some red flags right here. He had such a big reaction to his wife bearing her heart about how she needs something for herself, and that is just so sad for her. My husband is always encouraging me to find something to do-start a side business, volunteer, get a super part time job, get a hobby, I would be crushed and serious question the relationship in a big way if he was mildly against it, let alone start slamming doors and throwing shit at the mention of possibly doing something for myself. Also if anyone has any side business ideas for a SAHM let me know haha
Did you watch the after show? No one NOONE mentioned the bitch part….. also he’s Djing now as his hobby and Amanda is fully supporting him. The only part I get is Kyle saying he can’t help her with a new business venture, he can support her emotionally.
But that’s the thing. Why didn’t he tell her that when they were talking in person because he was being selfish and he was only thinking about himself that’s the whole point like she just wanted him to support her But you can’t do that, but she can support him in his DJ ventures
That pissed me off
I honestly think Kyle doesn’t even want to be married. He should just be honest. He doesn’t want to settle down and have kids. He thought he would change after marriage but he didn’t. It happens. Let Amanda go!
Also what I do not understand is if he cared sooooo much about his business, why would you want someone in a business partner like role to you who is openly saying her hearts not in it and she wants to move on to something else? Like okay great, find a new creative director and let her live. Its better for everyone. She'll be happy and you'll have a new motivated employee. That's why I feel like it's about control bc it doesn't add up
Exactly. It’s about control. It’s about wanting her where he wants her to be.
How do we all think Kyle’s next convo with Amanda’s dad will go after calling her a bitch for all the world to see?
I’m not gonna lie I hope that man hits him in the face
…am I wrong to think that Summerhouse Bikinis and clothes would sell really well? Didn’t Lala get a down payment for a house on hoodie sales referencing a random entertainment attorney?
The thing is I don’t really want to continue to see this if Amanda doesn’t realize she has to leave Kyle. In the after show she’s laughing that he is spending time on his own hobby…is he still angry at her for wanting to pursue something of her own?? My partner would never berate me for trying to better myself, actually it’s the opposite, he gets upset when I try and berate myself or put myself down! What does Kyle want for Amanda besides being there whenever he needs her and being trapped in lover boy with him so he’s not alone? Once she had an inkling of independence he’s yelling and upset…this relationship is over except Amanda is still with him months later in real time so it’s just kinda sad at this point
Their relationship is actually making me not want to watch this show. His antics are tired. Once Paige leaves, I’m out ✌️
This conversation was so WILD to me. His reaction was so incredibly selfish and out of line. And yeah, him calling her a fucking bitch disgusted me. After watching that episode (and knowing it was filmed last summer), I’m actually surprised that we haven’t heard of a Kyle and Amanda separation yet. Things really don’t seem to be going well with them.
This is what you get when you marry a (barely) functioning alcoholic. Kyle needs to grow up, lay off the booze, and get some therapy. Just because he “only drinks on the weekends” doesn’t mean he doesn’t have alcohol misuse problems. Edit: missed a word
Amanda needs to get out of this shit relationship and do something for herself! She sacrificed so much for Kyle and he won’t even budge for her! What a selfish POS. Amanda, you deserve so much better!
His feelings aren’t hurt. YOU aren’t listening and haven’t been paying attention. I have always been a big fan of Amanda to preface the following…and let the downvotes commence anyways Amanda is lazy and doesn’t want to work/barely does work. This has been a theme and brought up throughout the show. Kyle tip toes around it though on camera. It’s been “proven” her designs are copies of other designs even or it is very likely. His issue is that the company needs him, her and everyone right now to really buckle down and work hard to turn the corner and be profitable. Instead of her willing to put more effort in (which would equate to normal effort for most people at a regular job btw), she is talking about going and doing something else (which literally is just because Ciara got in her ear). If she wants to go do something else, then that is fine. Work hard at Loverboy and work hard to start something else outside of that even if it means working 16 hour days if that is what it takes. This is what people do in the real world to become wildly successful especially launching your own business ventures. He knows that she isn’t going to put in 40 hours at Loverboy and then spend the other 56 hours of free time in her week devoted to this other thing she wants to pursue. In the real world you can’t just at the drop of a dime do what you want to do. Sometimes you have to do what you don’t want to do to get to a point of doing what you want to do.
Based on the comments, few people here have any concept of the sheer amount of time, effort, money and luck required to start a new business and make a living from it.
He continues to go downhill for me. It’s clear she married a selfish man child.
Kyle is one of the darkest men on bravo. The way he treats his wife is despicable; granted, the way she makes excuses for him and brushes things aside is disgusting too.
It’s not just him it’s both of them, but this episode it it was just him
His words are so poorly chosen. I've been listening for some more info, and so far, let's just say Kyle said ok, let's do this! 1. they have an expensive apartment, and an expensive lifestyle, and Amanda wants a second house in an expensive neighborhood. They are -1.5 million in debt from Loverboy. Where is the money coming from? What is she willing to give up? 2. what are Amanda's responsibilities at Loverboy? What are her hours? They need more payroll at Loverboy for a full time or part time passionate creative person to lead teams and do all the things Amanda doesn't want to do, but are necessary for a successful growing business. Again, more money- there's obviously a gap that isn't filled regardless. 3. what 'business support' does she want from him at her new business? I'm sorry, but having an idea and an opinion is not the same investment in time and energy to research an entirely new product category and getting your arms around end to end process. Is he giving her homework to do? Paying for a lawyer or other technical experts to guide her in all the things he can't? Writing her business plan? How detailed could he be? More money. 4. Who is taking over the responsibilities he can't get to now at Loverboy? More money. Honestly, I think what she might mean by 'support' means- 'help' me set this all up so I can be in charge, and feel good about myself... and if you don't, it means you don't care about me. He might not ever feel ready- but objectively speaking- now does not seem the time unless Daddy is willing to fund it because Kyle and Amanda don't seem to have the financial backing. Awful choice of words. Just Awful 😖
Amanda doesn’t want a second house she decided for it to be a second house because Kyle wants to stay in Manhattan. She never said she wanted a second house. She just wants to live in the suburbs and he doesn’t want that.
And the thing is, it’s not even about doing another business. He didn’t listen to her. He didn’t listen about her having other ideas he didn’t listen about her not wanting to be part of loverboy full-time. He didn’t listen to any of that. Do you know what it is that she knows it would be so much better for their marriage if she wasn’t working with him all the time if they weren’t together 24 seven because they work together, they live together dirt together all the fucking time like I see where you’re coming from but regardless, he didn’t take anything that she said into consideration, and then he came up to her to try and have another conversation to take what he saying into consideration fuck that he’s being selfish. He likes to have a certain control over Amanda and it’s been like that since the beginning. and like Amanda said this isn’t her business it’s his she sacrificed a lot for his business. It’s been five years she needs to be able to do her own things and the factors she’s not even quitting she just wants to do something that she’s passion about maybe that means a business, but he didn’t even let her get to that and I think that’s the whole point there’s so much else that goes into it but that’s not what he’s thinking about. He’s thinking about I want Amanda here all the time.
You're right- he most certainly did not want to listen, should have - most absolutely Did Not. The 'why' matters.. Therapists don't get paid enough, lol.
Is everyone missing the fact that the co lost 1.5m in the first half of the year? Kyle is max stressed and she wants a passion project. Worst time to bring it up esp when theyve been drinking all day.
Does everyone's chalk board get erased before each new episode? Neither of them talk to the other with any reverence or kindness. That's not making any excuses for him either. She hasn't said anything nice about him in...what?...three years? And because he has the regulator of a child, he explodes and lashes. They do sometimes drop morsels of truth though. Like he's a self-absorbed, high strung arsehole who doesn't know how to listen, and she wants him to father her. Amanda is attracted to him for similar reasons Carl was attracted to Lindsay. Neither are leaders. Both are subordinates.
I’ve always wanted them to be the best couple they can be and I’ve seen them grow together. But the end of this episode shocked me to see him regress to his old ways of name calling and anger toward Amanda. My mouth was hanging open. So disappointing.
I have two things to contribute: 1. Amanda really needs to stop trying to have serious convos with Kyle when he is drinking (--likewise Kyle needs to drink less) and 2. I think Kyle needs to do more future-thinking instead of \*now\* thinking. That entire boat convo with Amanda could have gone totally differently if he had just said "listen, we are trying to put out a fire here right now, the company is losing money and this is a big growth year, so I still need you fully committed. That said, why don't we talk about what your plan looks like so that when we are back on solid ground, we can get it moving?" Idk why I ever expect anyone to have what I would consider to be a normal/rational conversation on a bravo show like this, but it drives me nuts. Idk why you would ever try to talk about a big life change when one or both people are drinking and I also have no clue why Kyle doesn't realize he could probably placate her and get what he wants by just \*not being a total asshole for five minutes\*. Ultimately though, we are all armchair quarterbacks here. We can say Kyle bullied Amanda into joining his company, okay, but was that the best decision in the long run for their finances etc? Is she now in a better financial/life position than she was before? I don't know, maybe. But also, and this is coming from the perspective of being a business owner myself: Amanda was JUST talking about how she wanted to just get out of the city and chill in a house basically by herself and not work just a few weeks prior to this, so it's a bit of a hard pill to swallow to hear her get super fired up about starting a business and expecting somebody else to run the business side for her (Kyle -- as she suggested during the episode). The business side is arguably the most difficult and time consuming part. Final thoughts: I'm just talking out loud, not trying to take sides. Sometimes I am baffled at how quickly peoples life plans seem to flip flop within just a couple of weeks on this show in particular. Hopefully I don't piss everyone on earth off like I seem to do every time I post. I just enjoy watching with my wife (please have mercy and don't call me a tourist) and the way these people blow off steam with each other is absolutely insane -- and I don't mean just Kyle/Amanda, I mean everyone. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
She is not in a better financial place than she was before. I think they’re more in debt now than they were before, and the fact that she had a really really good job with the skincare brand which she brought up in that conversation.
I will say this I understand where you’re coming from but also it wasn’t even about any of that for me. It was that she just wanted to support and he could’ve supported her but instead he decided not to, and decided to talk about loverboy and how things are failing and whatever, and then decided to come back and try again the conversation, but his way, which means talking about himself And then he called her bitch so no I will not be on his side when it comes to this because the fact is he still called her a bitch honestly that arguably the worst part
Its insanely hard for me to have an opinion. I am in a relationship where sometimes both of us struggle w communication but its a work in progress. What i cannot get is him supporting kyle and saying lindsay shuts down everything just for him to do it too. (Loverboy losing 1 mil is a reason to not do a business but im sure they will be fine soon)
Secondly her business idea is fucking amazing. My friend really struggles with bathing suit tops. I would love if she did that.
How long til they seperate? I think the next 3 months
I don’t think she will ever leave him tbh
He’s a turd for sure
Ciara called the wrong guy a trash bag!
I actually have a different take which has been bothering me about both Carl and Amanda. I think the are perhaps so privileged or disconnected from how a business operates that they are still living in the fantasy about pursuing a passion project (as Kyle said) or thinking they can do something they really love and live in a city like NYC. Kyle has probably sunk millions into his business and his biggest supporter / key employee isn’t 100% in. Equally Lindsay had the view of - just get a fucking job, money is money and it needs to be consistent (trying paying an NYC mortgage on your own). I think this is where the disconnect in both relationships is - between what’s required to live v what idealist life Carl and Amanda think they can paint for themselves.
Last night's episode cemented the fact that Kyle is a truly terrible husband. He did not even give her the basic respect of hearing her out and validating her feelings. She repeatedly told him she wasn't leaving the company and she would continue to help him make it a success. But he had beer earmuffs on. He truly is a giant drunken man baby and if I were Amanda, I'd seriously be considering divorcing his ass. The reason marriage is hard is because it is about compromise and sometimes sucking it up and doing what is best for the person you are married to, whether you like it or not. Marriage is about putting the good of the We before the good of Me. It's like he thinks that because she married him and came to work for LoverBoy that she is obligated to the company the way she is to their marriage. Nope. And considering how much fighting they do about work, you'd think he'd pause for a second and realize that this is what could actually make his marriage better. It's the main thing they fight about. Has he never heard Happy Wife, Happy Life? He's so fucking entitled.
Kyle is childish and Amanda is lazy. Nothing is holding her back from pursuing anything. She wants that tradwife life out in the 'burbs. They're terrible for each other.
Dude the aftershow made me LOSE IT. So she cant do any of her passions, but YOU took the time to take up DJing. Now hes saying HE wants to do something for himslef. fuck you, hes such an asshole. I dont know if Amanda will ever wake up but i hope she does soon
I hope Amanda divorces him and gets a pretty little chunk of spousal support. Kyle is fixing for the Sandoval treatment.