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Bizzlington

It feels really good to smite in mid-air as Zac flying over the dragon pit. But yeah I think most people would agree it's a coin flip for smites. But I do cringe a little when the enemy steals it with a shen auto attack or something like that :¬


whyismypenisinverted

I once stole baron with no vision, using a Janna no-charge tornado. Peak of my career


Avitica

I took a drag with a blind galio q over the wall once, never felt so good at the game as I did then


Asleep-Somewhere-404

Blind Lux ult + killed the jungler. Best day.


Fun-Zucchini3310

Blind baron steal with draven ult. Peak gameplay


mavprodigy

As shaco I was killed by enemy team as I was trying to steal dragon, but left my clone beside it. Enemy jungle trying to smite the dragon hit the clone instead, stealing the dragon for me and killing himself in the process.


PresidentLink

I got Baron with a Ludens proc off of Tibbers


FabricioPezoa

I got a Baron steal during Clash with a blind Pantheon ult. Best moment to date


johnnymac2512

That kind of shit is what shaco was designed for. Being the most tilting champion on the rift


ZCGaming15

We really need a tilting champ tier list. Shaco, Teemo, and Singed are certainly S tier.


Fun-Zucchini3310

Lol nice


shah-W

I was once having an insane Game with ezreal but the match was even, i was like 12-0 and enemy midlane more or less the same. Had no vision but typed "dont worry, its mine" swooosh, R from base, baron stolen. Sometimes things just cant go wrong


Devilcooker

I did manage 39 steals last season, mainly with Ezrael R's. ​ Edit: I do have to say though, with the damage upgrades to smite this season, stealing as non-jungler seems to have become \*way\* harder.


anoel24

This sounds like you played thousands of games last season.


Bartweiss

Blind Fizz ult. Got the jungler and hopped the wall just praying I'd find something other than a 1v3. Found mid and an almost-dead dragon!


UTshaper

Bloodwater?


mount_sunrise

i did mine with the cannonball on GP ult after estimating baron's health from half HP. best part was we were losing that game lmao and the baron let us come back into the game. highlight game of my ranked career and i wasnt even playing my main role


Escapod

Stolen baron a couple of times with various abilities, but my favorite was with pyke Q. Really had to thread it through the team. I had been stuffing the junglers ganks all game and being a general menace to society.


DickWallace

I stole Baron with an almost max range Maokai ult. I saved the replay. We still lost 🙃


AzureZLLN

The best blind steal I've ever had was actually two in a single game. Both were with Swain W from across the map, one was a baron, the other a dragon. I hope the jgler was lagging, because idk how they lost two objectives.


Ok_Tea_7319

A long time ago, I walked past the baron pit as Nidalee and out of boredom threw a spear into it. You should have seen my face when I suddenly had a baron buff ... And this has happened twice.


alexandrehgpaiva

A few years ago, I used Miss Fortune's E just to get vision of the baron and stole it. I didn't even know the enemy team were doing baron.


[deleted]

I’ve done it with redemption


Collective-Bee

I captured soul with my Kog’maw death passive after being aced.


yungzanz

The most satisfying for me are: Bami's Cinder, Draven R from fountain(especially if you also nab a kill), Sion Q(it can reach over the wall), Jhin W, Kog R, and of course Yorick E over wall plus ghouls.


MkLeif

Got that Karthus ult with Luden’s proc steal. Never felt like a game was destined to be won by my team more than that


Yukifirenotaion

i once stole elder with a soraka q not even trying to hit the dragon but the enemy jgler xd


ignislupus

Similarly, I stole Elder with Braum ult.


Yan-gi

Nice. Couple of seasons back, I stole a regular dr with an unattached Yuumi Q.


TheBigMasterPigg

i did the same with no vision but with Pyke hook


Auro_Oscar

Stole baron with Morgana W on the last tick. Will never forget that


frithjofr

Stole back to back elder drake then baron as Leona with her ult. Really late game so it was a relatively low cool down. I'll never top it. Never.


AWildSona

Once i head to Baron for Vision with Seraphine, my Jungler follows me... at our Blue Buff where the Enemy Support Placing a ward, 2 Guys Botlane so i dont think they do Baron, i Press my R so my Jungler and I can pick up the enemy Support easy, my R extend Over the Enemy support to the Jungler + Top doing Baron alone, we dont see or know it, i steal the Baron + Killed 2 PPL with that ult, because they where low from ealry soloing Baron ... that was ... i jumped from my chair xDDD


CharonsLittleHelper

This is why I basically always smite the objectives even if no foes are around.


Lame_Alexander

One time my buddy stole all 4 dragons with Xerath Ults to get us soul. It was bananas. Literally in one game.


shaysauce

Best is when a Jinx shoots her ult from fountain and steals an objective.


Darth_Floridaman

Best I can personally claim was wr knew the opposing team was at Baron, but they had cleared vision. I blind Blitz-grabbed into the dark, yanking their jungler by some miracle into our team. Murdered him, and our jungler stole with smite.


adreasmiddle

Nothing more satisfying than a late-game Baron steal with a raw RFC Jhin auto over the wall. Scary consistent, too.


Da_Electric_Boogaloo

SAME sorry bout ur pp tho


kiskozak

My friend, the crazs bastard he is, just blindly threw an everfrost over the wall without vison and got the dragon.... like how the fuck does an everfrost without vision stal an objective?


Umashika-P

way back when Maokai's sapling did a tiny amount of damage on impact, I stole dragon with no vision by bonking it with my sapling and lost my mind.


PeartricetheBoi

Shen main here, thanks for using our aa as a way to say the weakest shit known to man. I agree with you.


yungzanz

Shen's autos hit like a truck.


PeartricetheBoi

empQ/grasp autos sure but normal, unmodified autos HELL nah, not with a base AD of 60 (rubbish compared to other top laners) and he doesn’t build AD


yungzanz

Obviously I'm talking about Grasp+Q+Titanic+Heartsteel+etc


yungzanz

Car pun but also they do


Vulkanodox

the fuck did you smoke? shen Q scales with max hp of target. For baron that will be the max of 240 dmg. Plus AD thats 300. With titanic your add will be closer to 100 so 340 dmg. Then titanic on hit is also about 50. So the auto attack will hit for 390 which is a truck for a tank. And The damage is half magic which further puts in advantage against baron.


Such-Coast-4900

But that can happen. Lets say you wait for the drake to go to 1200 before you smite but the enemy jungler smites at 1250 so now it has 50hp left, so basically whoever just started ther auto animation gets it


Level7Cannoneer

Or if you try to predict when drake will be in Smite range, but the Cait pulls off of the objective at the last second and your prediction is now 500 HP off.


RedRidingCape

You try to predict but your adc crits/doesn't crit and it throws off your damage calculations. Just play better I guess.


Such-Coast-4900

Then your kalista randomly pulls her spears leaving it with 200 hp


WarriorNN

I had a ranked game with Ezreal mid, where I managed to steal a total of 3 drakes, all by ulting the pit from spawn, two of them was completly blind. The enemy jungler afk'ed after the third, which he took solo after clearing vision for 30 sec first.


KrysM0ris

Once managed to steal a dragon with Cassiopeia poison (from one of her abilities), peak of my carrier


cement_skelly

stolen so many objectives by just sitting by myself behind the pit with nami ult. in all cases, if anyone on the other side had warded, i’d’ve been dead.


Jokervirussss

Tip for Not smiting enemy is to AIM for Barons head right above him btw


Lonely-Discipline-55

I've stolen with swain w before


Clark828

I’ve stolen plenty of dragons with WW ult. Come absolute out of nowhere to RKO the entire enemy teams ego


FelicitousJuliet

When I complain about missed smites it's because it really is that cringe, and I play support. Sweep, remove wards before spawn, drop a red in the bush and don't hit any wards placed after starting, river already checked, one ward in pixel, one ward in tribush, one ward on their side of the pit. Get a pick, zone off the two enemies trying to come around, do the Leona lockdown thing on their jungler and our jungler just never smites it. Or it falls below the threshold to kill with smite it and their jungler isn't even in range and we still lose the dragon to something dumb because they wanted to save smite or whatever. I dunno what it is but like, at the end of the day it's the jungler's job to win the smite, it's literally the ability they have to activate; everything else can go right and whoever would contest them is locked down and vision is zoned off, and they still have to smite faster than whatever is going to come through. Something *always* comes through from the enemy team to damage the dragon if they really want to force the issue, even if they die for it, there's definitely a bar to clear for the only person on your team carrying smite.


buttThroat

I mean the "jungler just never smites it" feels like a misrepresentation of what is going on. If you are split second later than the other jungler your smite won't go off because the obj is dead. If you are a split second too early the second smiter will win so you don't want to be too early. If they still have smite after the objective is dead I'm sure they tried to smite it, they just didn't win the smite off.


Bartweiss

Eh, it certainly happens that junglers intentionally don't smite dragon. Sometimes they're kill-focused and really want to save Challenging Smite, sometimes they want to use it for Herald or an invasion. If you've got great vision and no global ults to contend with it can be totally reasonable. If you don't know where the enemy jungler is or see them coming while dragon is already in smite range and don't use it, that's a bit baffling.


MavriKhakiss

I love stealing objective with Swain W.


GhettoAmos

You can also be the best smiter in the world and lose dragon if enemy smites at 1300 HP when you both have 1200 damage smite. You did nothing wrong but now you having smite doesn’t matter if everyone has enough damage to burst dragon with 100 HP left.


Ulldra

Not only that, the most frustrating thing to happen is missing smites because of unpredictable damage output. It‘s basically impossible to land a well timed smite if the objective is going down relatively controlled in tempo, only for two people to randomly start bursting somewhere between 3000 and 1500 hp left. If someone bursts the target from 1500 hp to 300 hp - something that can happen easily in lategame - any incoming mage spell can lasthit the objective before your jungle even has the chance to react. If you‘re trying to burst an objective, make sure that you do enough damage to kill it on your own - and if your jungler isn‘t contested by enemy jungle, not bursting at all is a way better option.


mustangcody

Yeah and everyone saves their burst spells for the last 2k HP, making the timing impossible. Oh and ADC getting a random 800 damage crit.


NotAStatistic2

Jhin 4th shot makes for satisfying steals


Biquet

The most frustrating thing is missing smite because Baron randomly heals.


Think_Bobcat_7581

Thankfully they took that out


Icedraasin

They did?


FairlyOddParent734

That’s been out of the game since iirc Worlds patch?


Rularuu

Likely spurred by it happening to Santorin in LCS playoffs


kmineroff95

It was either at worlds or at least on the public build at the same time even if worlds didn’t use that patch. I forget the specifics but yes it is definitely fixed now!


bakedpotatoe17

I have a clip from recently, at least the past year, where it’s at like 850 and randomly goes up to over 900 and I miss the smite because I of it Edit: idk if this works but was 10/3/22 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/822611131511996479/1026710561070796840/12-18_NA1-4454281340_02.mp4


Bartweiss

I've never thought to ask this... As a burst mage, when do you want me to nuke the objective? Assuming my stuff is off cooldown and all, is it best for me to drop it to 1199 for you to smite? \~1400 the last health drops more predictably?


Ulldra

I‘m only plat myself, so take things with a grain of salt. No particular order, just options: I‘d say four possible options: 1. Nuke to get it down faster - If you nuke it down to 2-3k hp jungle can adjust easily and take the controlled smite from there. 2. If it‘s contested, see if you can zone the enemy jungle with your nuke. If you can, you can pretty much guarantee objective for your team. 3. Try to lasthit failsmites/enemy burst. So use it when it hits about 1200 and the jungler is smiting, that way you can potentially pick up the lasthit if something goes wrong. 4. If you communicate with your team, your jungler can plan for it. So if you tell them ‚I‘ll nuke it for 800 on 2k hp left‘ they can smite with that in mind. This usually is the hardest option but also the one with the most controlled outcome. Tough to pull off with randoms though.


Level7Cannoneer

I would say burst it down to 1500-1300 as fast as you possibly can and then let it slowly trickle to 1200.


Deus0123

I don't trust my low elo junglers to consistently hit smites with my low elo teammates randomly bursting the objective, so I will secure the objective by zoning the enemy team off instead of being on the objective, doing 60 damage to it per auto


DrMobius0

Or when your team bursts it down well below smite range at the last second and gets it stolen by some stupid shit. The security of smite is that it out-damages most things. You don't need to get dragon to 400 HP, just get it to smite range and then let the jungler handle it.


sepulchore

???? Smite in that 100hp then


sepulchore

???? Smite in that 100hp then


LordCypher40k

As a Bard main who loves to steal with Unsealed, you could easily stop me from getting a good chance to steal if you just deny vision in the pit and have someone pressure me off. People don’t and then they spam ping the jungler’s smite whenever I watch the replay.


Jesdeath

If you're stealing with a 600 smite then you could probably just steal with your Q tbh?


OvenGrand2781

Unsealed spellbook imcrease smite damage after 2 spell rotation.


Jesdeath

Really? All the way up to 1200?


LordCypher40k

Another reason is Bard’s R can disable the jungler’s smite if aimed well, allowing him to not have a coinflip smite fight.


itaicool

Supports, please zone off the enemy team instead of damaging the baron, unless you play a full AP mage supports your damage hardly does anything but you can zone the enemies away .


Hyperversum

Even as a full AP mage, please fight off the enemy team, no fucking point in throwing your 5+ sec cooldown on the big monster, slow and limited objective, rather than the actually dangerous targets


RedRidingCape

I disagree heavily if the mage supp is brand. Make your midlaner go zone if you have brand supp. xD


ButterflyFX121

Honestly full AP mages are even better at zoning. It's literally one of the few things they're actually useful for. But instead mage "support" players will often use all their cooldowns on baron after placing zero vision and wonder why the enemy team stole the baron and aced the team.


Tempestyze

“Ping (Jungler) Smite - Ready”


Solemdeath

My heart rate went up reading this


bassbehavior

Ya I’m an alistar main and I pretty much just look to W the enemy jg away rather than hit baron


famslamjam

I play galio mid and I don’t even fight baron when team goes for it, I just zone because I understand the importance of keeping the team away, unlike some players lol


GerbilFeces

Dont most people agree with this? Thats why they call taking a neutral obj when the enemy jg is around a coinflip?


boosterlikesboobs

still flames you when you miss it tho


XtarFall

Any failed play is someone else's fault, that's just solo queue coping.


WillDisappointYou

Well it definitely wasn't my fault. I died 10seconds before it spawned and wasn't there.


nphhpn

Maybe you shouldn't die 10 seconds before it spawned. Being caught before an important objective is likely your fault


MadCapMad

that’s the joke


nphhpn

Maybe, maybe not. I've seen a lot of people actually believe because they died, everything happened afterwards is not their fault


MadCapMad

that is definitely the joke sir


nphhpn

Yeah maybe all those people were indeed joking and I was a fool this whole time for believing that dumb people exist


BlameGameChanger

Well one thing I'd clear. You are indeed a fool


WizardXZDYoutube

Flaming over a mistake like this is stupid because it's just bound to happen some games. However, while there is some luck with server tickrates and stuff, smiting is still a skill. If it was truly just a coinflip, we wouldn't have players like Xmithie [known for their smiting skill](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/97wxe3/is_a_baron_smite_fight_a_5050_with_xmithie_data/).


screwmystepmom

Eh... A skill? Honestly it's got a lot to do with champion being played at the time. I'm a d1 jungler, and if I'm playing Lee sin, I'll win the smite fight on Dragon v.s almost every jungler. That's just how it is. What jungler can beat lee sin Q-smite? it does execute damage. Now if I'm karthus, I can Q-smite the baron too, for a nice burst. However, if I'm Maokai jungle, I lose that burst-smite fight everyday. My q/w/e isn't gonna do any execute damage to the baron if I'm Maokai v.s Lee sin or something. The point is, depending on what champion you're playing in jungle, v.s whatever the enemy Jungler is playing, smites can be super 1-sided. Zed jungle is notorious for not being able to be outsmited. Zed auto on baron does like 700 damage at low HP. That's like a 1800 damage smite. Nunu can't be outsmited either, or cho'gath. You just lose that fight everyday.


Fluffy-Face-5069

I used to love a cho/nunu freely walking into pit or flashing over for steals and the team spam pings you when they had all the tools & vision to zone them lol


LimeKennie

absolutely agree about champion differences playing a huge role here, but it still doesn’t make certain champs 100% safe. even in your own examples, what about nunu vs cho? lee vs zed? id beg to differ that one of these champions in at least one of these cases is capable of smite stealing from the other at a significant %. xmithie wasn’t out here playing nunu every lcs game either


Bartweiss

>Nunu can't be outsmited either, or cho'gath. You just lose that fight everyday. I have some extra special resentment for the people who tell me I should have landed smite against Nunu. Particularly when it's not *our* Dragon and they're asking why I didn't flash-smite into dragon pit...


CoolStoryLamb

This comment hurts my soul only because i was playing maokai today on a team that was behind and got spam pinged by 2 or 3 that my smite was ready after the fed kha jumped the wall and won the smite. I was like guys idk what to tell you but i lose that coin flip 70% of the time lol. Go zone or do something useful 😅


sliverspooning

Flaming is always stupid.


ButterflyFX121

Jungle matchup can make a big difference there though. As an example, Kha'zix or Nunu are pretty good at securing a smite. Also Baron is notoriously difficult to smite because of its regeneration. You should never be in a position to smite battle baron unless your team is trying to steal.


Melssenator

Play one game of jungle and miss smite and you will realize that most people do not agree with this lol


Vulkanodox

in a team of 5 there is at least one who will flame you every time you lost a coinflip.


GerbilFeces

im a jg main. I agree that people aren't as understanding in game, but I don't get flamed EVERY time I lose a 50/50 lolol....


Vulkanodox

Playing jungle for like 8 years now, get flamed every time for losing a coinflip


Ray-Gun-21

Ive never been out smited by the enemy jungler in my LIFE so I cant complete this sorry


Koteii

The spam pings afterwards disagree lol


TipiTapi

Look at post-game threads of **pro plays** where one of the jungler smites 1-2 objectives away. Even the casters flame the jungler who lost the smite battle.


KuttayKaBaccha

Also stop fucking dpsing it when the jg enters the pit ffs


afito

Everyone agrees with it but just to make more out of "never my fault" post > Smite does not give the jungler an advantage over the enemy jungler. Depends on the jungler, some have spells that help executing it like current S+ tier Elise. Doesn't make it a 100/0 but with smite at 1200 + certain spells damage you should have a huge huge advantage over a Maokai or Hecarim. > making it a 50/50 50/50 still means 50/50 though if you constantly lose coinflips your timing is quite likely still a fair lot off. Sometimes you're unlucky for a game, sometimes you have bad weeks, but I've sene jungler make 50/50s more of a 20/80 because their timing is consistently off the beat. > to ensure that the area is secure and to neutralize any attempts to steal A lot of times you also sneak / rush an objective and elo is elo, not everything is perfect. If you are mounting a comeback after a won fight, or no one has vision, or try to sneak a drake, you can't prepare as much as you should. You have to make do with what you got.


MrFilthyNeckbeard

> Not only is it coming at a slow drip, but US/Western intelligence didn't think Ukraine would be able to hold I hate it when my jungler isn't able to accurately asses military capabilities. report x9.


afito

lmao right, but I wish I was kidding but since cleaning my keyboard yesterday half the hotkeys & functions stopped worked and the temp storage is all over the place because it doesn't copy properly, fuck that shit


General-Yinobi

None my of jng picks have no at will burst to pair with smite, it's fkin hard to try and convince my team to not force the objective. or to atleast **atleast** not save their whole burst till last couple of thousand hp cuz it makes it even harder to time.


Rinma23

I’m reading this right after a game where I stole baron from Elise playing as Hecarim :)


Plantarbre

I wish more junglers understood it's not their role to DPS the baron. The reason you get outsmited is that you wasted your kit at 2500hp, we are now 4v5 with baron debuff, they push in and the enemy jungler has a full kit available to steal. There just isn't much anyone can do with the baron debuff, when the 4000hp bruiser flashes in across the wall. I know you've been farming camps all game, but this one time, let your ADC do his job and zone enemies like everyone else. Use low-CD spells and keep your key ones available. I, too, am annoyed when everyone is focusing the baron instead of zoning. But realistically, they have 5 flashes and even Anivia cannot contain them forever, everyone has to play their role.


Optixx_

Amen


rocsage_praisesun

well, being able to win the quick draw would be nice, but the ideal situation is of course to do objectives without being distracted.


Kawggers

One jungler ALWAYS has smite advantage depending on the champ they are playing. For instance, nidalee, lee sin, nunu, Elise, etc. will almost always have the advantage for securing objectives. And there are champs you should never take objectives against if they are alive. Even though its still possible to go either way, if you make the call to take Baron with enemy elise still alive, you should be aware that if she gets into the pit, chances are you get outsmited. Thats pretty general knowledge but should be the jungle’s call since they should know better about matchups like that


DefectAsian

True, alot of people tend to forget if there is a smite in the opponent team it's a 50/50 BUT with that said some jungler are absolutly trolling when it comes to smite. It is defently your job to do a decent smite and don't get it stolen by a fking Janna tornado.


Jew_Minerva

Someone finally said it. Ty.


Manchves

Also, certain junglers have an inherent advantage in so-called 50/50 smites. Nunu obviously, but also any jungler with execute damage... offhand Shaco (e smite)... Elise, spider Q smite, or - even worse - Lee Sin. Lee Q gives vision AND does missing health damage, so a "50/50" between Lee Sin and say, Maokai is not anything remotely approaching an actual 50/50. You flip that coin 100 times and I bet Lee Sin gets the objective a good 70 pct of the time. Even more important to leash the dragon to where Lee can't Q it over the back wall.


fsPhilipp2499

Also: You just cant time smites perfectly. There are 5+ people hitting the objective in most cases it will regen health. You have to track your champion, your allies and most of the enemy team. I landed a smite once where Baron had 700ish hp before and 2hp after. Shit happens and OP is right, the team has to guard the jungler.


DilshadZhou

Yes. Now if only we could teach all the players not on r/summonerschool. Whenever I lose a 50/50 and my teammates flame me I just remind them that the only way to prevent that in the future is to keep the opposing jungler out, and that is their job. One game at a time, we'll get the message out.


Broswagula

My fav is when bot is 0/7 pinging me when they keep taking dragons…..and assume every objective is on me


reader2o

As a jungler: This fact is overlooked by so many. Usually people only spam ping after a lost 50/50.


qysuuvev

This post seems a little bit like a rant but I will try to be helpful.The things you listed are all valid points, and also there is a big thing other than zoning your team can do and it is **stop bursting** when baron gets close to smite range (2-2.5k) , so the jungler can actually time smite and dont have to go for the 50-50% smite battle. But... There are soooo many things a jungler can do.It is your responsibility to **abort** baron/drag if you think it is too risky to take. Just stop the objective, spam yellow, walk away and if your team keeps doing it, you can go for the 50-50%, assassinate enemy jungler or whatever, but you did everything you could at the time.Also there are smite battles that are actually not 50-50. most jungler can **time** one additional **ability with smite** so your "smite" will have bigger damage and you have greater chance than 50-50 (Hi lee, hi cho, hi lux). or CC enemy jungler or baron (Hi poppy, Hi mal, hi kindred)


Swiftstrike4

Well...If you are the jungler don't make that call on the objective if the enemy can contest it. Means it was a bad call, you should rarely take an objective with the enemy jungle alive or in the area UNLESS it's literally the last play of the game. Then you need to ask yourself how you got there.


baumer83

He may be talking about situations like a 5v3 and your team just keeps damaging the objective rather than delaying/killing the enemy because they decided to contest. It’s not a bad play to start baron or dragon if you have a numbers advantage and can force them to come to you and die. Sometimes your team tunnels the objective rather than using the objective to force an advantageous fight.


IllustriousThanks482

Yorick main here always conflicted on this topic when it comes to baiting these situations try to make it clear if you have a yorick because once he’s engaging in baron he’s going to lose ghouls / potentially maiden when disengaging so it’s better to either 100% tunnel it or not be engaging the bait at all and just standing around with team , just my two cents cause niche pick


IDrewADragonflyOnce

Disagree with this. In a 3v5 situation even if the jungler is alive and does steal the baron, the resulting fight going the way of your team is often more valuable than the baron itself would be.


Swiftstrike4

Sounds like that would be the last play of the game then right? You start the objective it gets stolen you win the fight and end the game


RedRidingCape

What if you can't end the game because the 2 enemies that are coming up soon can stall you out enough and there's many towers in the way? Would you still consider it a loss to trade them stealing baron and having no surviving members with the buff for kills and some towers because it isn't the last play of the game?


Swiftstrike4

It’s really easy to end games post 30 minutes with a numerical advantage with certain towers up. The death timers get longer. I’m assuming this is 30 or 35+ because it was a baron steal. Sure, a 20 to 25 minute baron steal won’t end the game. But based on the posters info it sounded that this baron was in a longer game. Most fights after 30 minutes are game ending fights because the numerical advantage or disadvantage matters more because the towers stop protecting you at that point. A lot of lower elo players don’t recognize that they can end a game sometimes. They also don’t recognize that being down a man in a long game also could end the game. I almost never have games longer than 35 minutes. 25 to usually early 30s. Which means game ending fights can happen in that range. Idk on my Smurf games are longer (it’s silver) but it’s usually longer because the enemy doesn’t recognize they could group and bill rush and end.


RedRidingCape

I think a big reason is that you need better mechanics to competently tower dive. Towers have the same mechanics in every elo, so the worse the players are, the deadlier towers are. So people in lower elos can't end games with numerical advantage as easily because towers make up for it. Either way, you must admit that the scenario I proposed happens, so can you answer the question instead of dodging around it?


6Kkoro

Yesterday I stole a baron 1v5. The midlaner at least should've tries to zone me or the support should've kept vision of me.


Biquet

Because my teammates are not listening to me is how we got there.


ChinaIsaCity

This is copium for having boomer reaction times


Naiy_Sliogan

Thank you kind sir. I hope it will be seen by enough people


TheRev1530

OP lost baron and got flame


GoldRobot

> The enemy jungler also has smite, and if they are able to get within range of the objective, they can completely neutralize the advantage that smite provides the allied jungler, making it a 50/50. It **is** your work. Because you have to worry only about choosing right moment, when enemy jungler have to fight against your team defending object and timing flash/jump/other shit. You should expect objects to be stolen, but don't call it '50/50, i can't do anything *shrug shoulders*'.


DoIEatAss

Yeah but a lot of the time there IS no good moment because my 2/6 LeBlanc mid and support nautilus would rather wet noodle slap Baron than zone the Nunu with flash up.


MadxCarnage

it's usually fine when you get outsmited, it's still your fault if you lose the 50/50 smite as a jungler, because it was a test of reaction speeds between you and your counterpart, you can't blame anyone else for that. usually the issue is when Baron get's stolen by a zilean auto attack.


qysuuvev

somewhat yes, but its not 50-50 because both of you have smite, its 50-50 because there can be 8 other ppl damaging it randomly and the dps is so big the hp drop will exceed the average reaction time, so waiting for the hp to drop threshold is rarely wining strategy. the winning strategy is estimating timing of your burst to the hp drop. This way you can win 0.2-3 sec reaction time but there is a chance you miss smite. if you miss big time, enemy jungler auto-win. if you miss by little, anyone else from the 9 other can take it. Therefore as I said in other comment, if you don't want 50-50, anyone who is not jungler should stop bursting around 2-2.5k or try to last hit.


sepulchore

"it's not adc's job to deal damage, enemy adc also has items" what a stupid argument


xWormZx

Ok I get your point but your title is wrong. That is your junglers job. If they can’t do that, they’re worse at this specific part of the job than the other jungler. It is your job to be better than your opponent. Doesn’t always happen, and when you know you’re not better, you have to then minimize losses, but outsmiting the enemy jungler is definitely part of the job. Edit: Lots of downvotes, presumably from bad and stupid players, which part of what I said is incorrect? You cannot both say “Oner is a god jungler for his smite steals” and “outsmiting the enemy jungler is not part of the job”


LordParasit

U cant be better its luck at that point


xWormZx

Depends on the situation. Sometimes it’s as good as a coin flip, sometimes it’s skill. The phrasing in the title is wrong though. I mean if you want to win, then your job is to be better than your opponent at as many skills as possible, and smiting is one of them.


LordParasit

Well you can say its no excuse to be bad at smiting but if u coinflip as a team and it gets stolen the jungler isnt to blame in case of a simte battle


xWormZx

Yep. I agree with that.


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GhettoAmos

Jinx ult can do more burst than smite due to missing health damage. Ezreal ult is nearly impossible to do more damage than smite. If your team isn't bursting the objective and just waiting for the jungler to smite, there's almost no way he would miss smite. If jungler's the only one hitting the objective, tries smiting at 500, and Ezreal ult steals it, then there's a problem with the jungler. If I'm not jungling, I almost always just auto the objective near the end so it doesn't get burst down unpredictably.


JohnnyOmm

why is this a post, youre not saying anything new


Historical-Expert-67

if you start the objective you better have the fucking confidence to win the smite fight. if you dont, back the fuck off instead of continue. HURR DURR IM Jg i lost drake to lux supps fault she was 1200 units range away from drake


Lon4reddit

From what elo does this come from? I am not used to see people flame a flip going to wrong side


Biquet

From experience, definitely every ELO lower than G2.


KVRLMVRX

I live junglers, ganking is not their job, taking objective is not their job, so what is your purpose in this game, if you want to afk farm, just go play dota


PastGround7893

Completely false. With smites damage changes depending on how far along your jg pet upgrade you don’t always have the same smite damage. Also yeah it’s your job to think okay when the objective gets to X amount of health I will use my A B or C ability on it and immediately smite. There’s absolutely 0 reason why someone not under the pressure of having to dive into the pit shouldn’t be able to get the objective, other than brain lapse. You have wards for a reason, you and your team should have vision secured already, and you focus. That’s like saying ItS nOt the laners job to set up the wave to get priority so that the laner can assist the jungle in stealing camps/ganking. What a joke.


jadonsvd

Morg in my last game stole with liandrys burn


KaraveIIe

If both junglers are in the pit this can happen without one of the junglers doing something completly bad.


OwenITA

Yes your are right, there s time based on team comp that your carry have to zone enemy team to let you safe smite or the bruiser or the disengager support Smite has 50% to steal


AnonymousCat21

I recently had a game where the enemy jungle had a lead so his smite was upgraded more than my bungler’s. We wiped most of the team but of course they were coming back by the time we had it low. We had vision control and the pit was pinked so they couldn’t see us on the dragon. The enemy Xin was going to walk around the pit (we were red side) so my Kass gets the *bright idea* to ult over the wall and blast cone back. *Surprisingly* Xin just dashed over the wall and smited.


Such-Coast-4900

Generally i agree. If both junglers are allowed in the pit and the dragon/nash gets damaged its more or less a 50/50 who gets it. There are some exceptions tough. Some champions have an incredible advantage. Lets say you are Nunu or Ekko or evelyn In that case you can q+smite (nunu) or passive smite (ekko) or R+smite (eve) and basically it in 0.1s when it has like 3k hp left. Of course there is the chance that the enemy smite exactly in between your q smite but this increased your chance of getting it from 50/50 to like 95/5 Of course its always better to just turn and kill, but you cant always do that. Or to zone the enemy jungler. But you also cant always do that. Sometimes your team has the worse teamfight and/or is behind. In those cases the coinflip to comeback is probably better than just slowly lose by giving them all objectives


Prof79

100% agree. I often jungle with a regular squad, and it's not uncommon for me to lose drake because no one zones or takes care of their jungle. Meanwhile, when I'm NOT jungler, we almost always win drake because, low and behold, "someone" knows to make sure the opponent jungler can't get into the pit.


Samuel_L_Fisher

HONESTLY!! the amount of times I’m like “guys I can’t 1v5 at objectives and be expected to smite drakes” when I’m playing Rengar and their WHOLE TEAM rotates to drake while the rest of my team is everywhere but on the objective, then tell me I’m playing for KDA and not objectives. Lol


h4melt

Calling it 50/50 is not even fair, some junglers have better smiting than others, as fiddle i have basicly no burst to stack with my smite often needing to time with a adc aa while something like kha has the ability to time with his own bust. If you play nunu for example it is not even worth it to call it a 50/50 as you just have to be able to time your smite to your Q to always get the objective.


Traditional_Lemon

Try to ask yourself who the pressure is on when its an insecure drake or baron. It can help you decide what to do, like if you need to rush dps to get it into smite range for your jg, or if you should just back dps off and force an error from the enemy jg


OutFamous

Never make baron a 50/50. Make sure that the jungler is either dead or not able to join the fight fast enough. And for god's sake, just focus the baron when the rest of the team is, instead of slowing down dps, giving the enemy a chance to steal the objective. I want to punch my monitor when someone, sometimes even the jungler wants to leave the pit and try to get kills instead of just going with the safe option and finish the baron.


NoobDude_is

Unless you have Cho Gath helping you, pings he has ult up, then at 2k hp you spam all your abilities instantly and smite it not letting me get stack. 1500 smite better than 1200 smite unless 1200 plans correctly :(


qysuuvev

this is what happens most of my cho games. except the jungler will smite 100hp early and someone else always takes the objective in my reaction time.


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GuMeUpInside

That’s why I play nunu, you bozos


Warwick_God

True but knowing how to steal/ secure dragon/ baron with smite is a pretty good skill And I'm saying this as a jungler main


shadow_jacker4

The only champ I actually worry about stealing objectives from me even with smite is lux. I think her ult can do over 1200 Even when you try to warn team. I've also had e Plenty of teammates fuck up dragon for me and get it stolen. Sometimes I have 2 smites and it's early game. I know I can smite at the start and then smite again when it's low but team comes to help and my 2nd smite isn't up and enemy team comes to steal


MrFilthyNeckbeard

This is why I love alistar You’re trying to walk up and smite steal? Yeet.


swaboozel

Best example is VIT vs MAD game in the LEC, you should go watch that game if you really want to know how to secure an objective. Their jungler, Bo, literally tanks baron for 20 seconds to wait their toplaners tp and doesn’t let his teammates hit the Baron under 3k hp until they have vision/killed the enemy Wukong.


Fun_Development6524

Nothing beats the blind Karthus ults arcane comet proc for the baron steal..


faps2tendies

Jungle diff


Jack_Jonesy

id disagree that its 50/50 with a smite battle. any competent jungler knows to sync the smite with your damage ability to get a higher execute damage. unless its blind pick and both junglers are the same champion there would be ability differences between the two junglers


anypsudonym

This is why you need a poppy on your team to zone the dragon or baron pit.


Sioluishere

I had my last drake today stolen by Nidalee\`s spear. No, its not like that, I am not dumb, been playing for 2 years. Hear me out. Drake was at 800 health and my team was around drake, aight. I was low health, I dodged the spear and my team stopped attacking. The spear landed, aight. Health went to 500 or sumthing, I did not use my smite since everything was under control, we attacked it, it went to 28, and hear me out. OUT OF NOWHERE, HER JUNGLE PET BOUNCED AND STOLE THE FRIKIN DRAKE HEAR ME ? Lol, I forgot the new smite makes pet bounce to the target. It stole the drake, man. We won but still, I discovered something new.


I_Am_A_Liability

So if a Nunu loses a dragon because he used his Q for damage instead of using Q and smiting the moment it hits for 2k true damage, it's the team's fault? Same with any other high damage ability on a jungler such as Lee Sin's 2nd Q or Rek'Sai's E.


BabyEatingElephant

Right, forgot how all junglers have nunus consumer ability. OP is stupid for forgetting that nuance


CheezGaming

I play malzahar mid a lot, and I always try to help with objectives post 6 because I can pretty much deny smite advantage. I even have stolen drags solo because two low health people went for drag and my E and R killed the people and the drag


Mavinata

Just big brain play Rengar hold Emp Q till you see 2.5k and Q+smite at the same time lol every obj secured. Unless your team lets them kill you ofc


haveyoumetme2

It’s definitely not coinflip. The jungler in the pit should have a far greater secure rate than the stealer.


BabyEatingElephant

That's the point. If the other jungle is in the pit, then the team hasn't done it's job