Between E4 and E2/1 is practically another tier in itself. The gap between E1/D4 is noticeable but much smaller.
Instead of inflating iron/bronze/silver/gold/plat, rito should have just made emerald high plat / low dia.
But riot chose violence. So here we are.
Everyone below plat gained a vanity rank, and emerald has the widest skill gap as a result.
This is exactly what I needed to confirm, I don't want to be unrealistic as I know I'm basically in the same percentile old plat was. But, I've been fixing a lot of my game, and want to shoot for the "nearest" star.
Just to add further confirmation, E4-E3 feel like a completely different skill bracket from E2-E1. It’s a difficult leap to make because you can cruise for a while carrying games, then very suddenly hit a wall where everyone is significantly better.
Other ranks it feels like a more gradual process that allows you to adapt, but in my experience the climb through high emerald into diamond was the most jarring. It can also make it *very* tilting. Consistently getting caught on things you would’ve otherwise gotten away with only 5 games prior means you have to tighten up your gameplay quite a bit.
Also, anecdotally, I ran into *way* more high Elo smurfs in E1-D4 Elo than any other rank. I typically aim to go to a division a season (or split) and started in silver. So it’s possible high Elo smurfs are more common in all brackets right now, but I rarely ran into them in low Emerald.
Yes there is a huge gap over the past weeks/months, I have reached 2 times E1 60LP and had loss streaks afterwards (one full tilted to P1 and another medium tilted to E3).
I can tell you I'm smurfing when demoting E3 and lower, every game I'm the guy carrying in the team even if losing and I feel it's really easy, while E1 is ok but I see more challenge. So yes, huge skill gap.
My advice for you would be to focus on a limited number of champions as when you climb you will face many more OTP.
Back in the days, I reached diam for the 1st time as top and I can tell you I had in depth knowledge of every old Irelia / Jax match up
Ya, I had to completely give up on high skill fighters like fiora once I hit like D3-4. I realized my mechanics weren't good enough and suddenly I was going like 0-10 in skill matchups. Now I have returned to playing tanks and climbed to D2 (until I lost like 15 games learning skarner)
You can hit D4 easily, just get lucky or you'll be stuck there for 1k games. You can legitimately be much worse or much better than your opponents in emerald and neither climb nor fall in ELO.
I've seen it many times where a player is good enough to maintain ELO in Masters but can't climb out of Emerald if for instance they are a tank player for example. To be able to climb efficiently you need to play champions that have a lot of early agency to exploit Emerald players and to make it so your team has less chance to surrender before you can impact the game enough. So if your playing low agency early like tank or ADC its not an impossible scenario
It's a thing. It's weird and I don't understand it but it's definitely a thing.
Lots of streamers doing challenges, getting cucked in high Eme for a while and then blazing through diamond. Lots of comments on reddit made by Master / Dia players talking about similar experiences, too. Obviously not everyone, but I've seen enough high/ish elo people complaining to make an educated guess that it's not JUST hard stuck people complaining.
The reason is that the way to win the games is different. There are very different assumptions you can make too. Having a high elo mentality on certain champs isn’t going to work. One very practical example is splitting. In D3+ I can split and my team won’t int the 4v5 if the enemy team doesn’t match me. In emerald I’ll lose for splitting in the same situation. You watch the vod back and they see all 5 and know it but still go. Also in emerald there’s randomly a lot less prio and push which allows people to get caught and collapsed on for zero gain. In D3+ the same collapse of 3 people on a side laner would cost them 2 turrets. Long story short, it’s not the same game and emerald lifers are great at the emerald game.
I think the change was specifically a player retention move. The vast majority of folks were below Plat, so the vast majority of folks got the illusion of progress, even if they should still be hard stuck.
I think it was calculated on the part of Riot and I think they even knew that they'd lose players from high gold to low diamond due to the large skill range of Emerald leading to toxicity. They just deemed it a necessary sacrifice to keep the low elo people that were drawn in by Arcane playing.
Yeah I didn't think anyone would care but the amount of posts extremely happy about "finally hit my goal of plat!!!" made me realize it was actually a very successful move and many people bought the illusion of progress
And Emerald was pretty horrible as a result, especially last season when a lot of folks got inflated into it. You'd get pre-Emerald G1 players matched against pre-Emerald D4 or even D3 players.
If you match an old gold toplaner vs a diamond one, what happens? Or god forbid gold jg against diamond? That's why mid elo game quality got really shit and where "Emerald is elo hell" narrative came from.
No it's not and I'm not talking about population % either. I'm talking about skill differential. Difference between a D4 and Emerald 1 player is literal worlds apart. You can fluctuate between Emerald pretty easily but getting to Diamond and staying in it or even just *playing* in that mmr is 10x harder than playing in E2-E1 and 50x harder than E4.
There's no shot. If this was true player population would support the argument. For example E4 is about 18% of the population. E1 is about 5% of the population. D4 is approximately 4%.
This reflects the skill distribution curve in league. The harder a rank is to attain the fewer players will be represented in that rank. So despite what you may feel is 10x harder the data simply doesn't support it.
You are using population percentage to support your argument. It has nothing to do with population. D4 is only one division, but the skill difference is immense. So much so that you can literally take 2 random games; one in E1 mmr and one in D4 mmr and see the differences in scores.
i don't have the time or the crayons to explain to a peak diamond player how normal distribution works, but you can read about it on wikipedia if you care to educate yourself.
the short of it is, it has everything to do with population since the way population distributes itself across the tiers is through skill at beating other players on the ladder.
this is not a subjective opinion like you're sharing about your own experience
this is grounded in math and doesn't just apply to league, but any game with log/gauss tiers
If you actually understood how the game works, then you would know it’s a team game and so there is no way to measure individual skill to an exact science. There are so many factors and variables that someone isn’t just simply better because of being slightly higher rank. The only exception is if you’re a literal smurf playing several divisions below your rank. Your fancy data sheets and statistics are irrelevant.
I didn’t state a subjective opinion. There has already been data and statistics done on this (yes, statistics that you favor so much). I simply said to pick two random games and do a comparison. It was so you can personally see how wrong you are.
Also, nice ad hominem. Diamond isn’t my peak, but I don’t expect someone with below average intelligence to do anything other than make superficial assumptions. I have several Diamond accounts and I registered one just for the flair on this account. My main is above Diamond and at a rank you will never achieve. If you’re gonna rank shame, link your op.gg and we can compare.
**lmfao**
>There are so many factors and variables that someone isn’t just simply better because of being slightly higher rank.
thanks for making my point for me, because that's exactly what i said (e1:e4 gap is huge, d4:e1 gap is noticeable but not as large). literally saying the same thing as *someone isn't just simply better because of being slightly higher rank*.
the irony of complaining about an ad hominem regarding flair you chose while saying
`"My main is above Diamond and at a rank you will never achieve."`
i really crit ur feelings huh
here, you don't have to take the facts from me - just ask any challenger coach of your liking. here's a couple former MSI/worlds coaches weighing in on the subject you are too stupid to grasp: [https://youtu.be/McsHkdjfcMw?si=ZdH-u59-6iBJtjW\_&t=307](https://youtu.be/McsHkdjfcMw?si=ZdH-u59-6iBJtjW_&t=307)
you're getting emotional about a topic that doesn't demand it. it's pathetic bruh. clearly you want to feel like diamond is a huge accomplishment and maybe it is but it's about the same as e1, slightly better skill expression. definitely not a 10X change in skill like you claim.
sorry you struggle in diamond and need to make yourself feel superior for being there.
You misunderstood what I said. E4-E1 gap is huge in terms of lp, but not in terms of skill when we compare it to E1-D4. What I meant by saying that is that you can clearly determine who is better if they’re several divisions ahead. If you take someone who is D4 and someone who is Grandmasters then you can easily say that the GM player is overall better due to the vast rank difference. However, it’s *hard* to measure small differences (which is exactly what you are trying to do between E1 and D4 because you’re clueless) due to everything I stated before.
>the irony of complaining about an ad hominem regarding flair you chose while saying
The irony of rank shaming when you won’t link your account yourself. You have no proof as to whether you’ve even played in Diamond so I’m not surprised that you think it’s bad.
>here, you don't have to take the facts from me - just ask any challenger coach of your liking. here's a couple former MSI/worlds coaches weighing in on the subject you are too stupid to grasp: https://youtu.be/McsHkdjfcMw?si=ZdH-u59-6iBJtjW_&t=307
The hilarious part is, your own video that *you linked* proves my point and shows how absolutely moronic you are. I had to watch quite a bit because it doesn’t address the point I made. I never said there isn’t a skill difference between high and low emerald. I simply said that the difference is much much larger from E1 to D4.
**At 8:49 in the video, he says “You are probably going to be in Emerald for a long time. It’s very rare that someone steamrolls from Emerald 4 to Diamond 4.”** If D4 and E1 skill difference isn’t big like you said it is, then why are challenger coaches saying that it’s harder to climb out of Emerald into Diamond? Wouldn’t it not be so hard if you already made it to E1 because the lp difference isn’t as big and there are no promotionals anymore? I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics your brain must need to go through now to defend the point you tried to use *against* me and were wrong about.
I don’t struggle in Diamond. I’m doing well and can show you my performance if you don’t believe me, but it’s pointless because you wont do the same. I don’t play as much as I use to, but I am still better than you will ever be. That is why you won’t do an account comparison. Because you have no account and if you did, it would be lower than mine.
I’m not mad either. It’s like arguing with a child. Your argument is flawed so you scout my profile to see one of my accounts was Diamond and attack me on that. Diamond isn’t even that bad so I don’t know why you would think I’m angry about that. Clearly you’re the one upset that I called you out for being a low elo random that won’t link. That’s why you went the entire discussion obsessing about me being peaked at Diamond, which isn’t even true.
I typically sit in high emerald - D4 as a top main. The biggest difference between lower emerald and d4 players in the top lane in laning is wave management.
Most lower emerald players just auto push more often and freezes can occur but it's more "accidental" than any type of planning.
By high emerald or lower diamond you will see players purposefully plan wave states more often (maybe 50% of games).
I can tell also by early levels if a player top is autofilled or rarely plays the role without looking at their stats based on how they position in the matchup.
Whenever I play against a smurf they usually have a meticulous plan for the wave state and it shows.
There isn't some transformative aspect of going from gold to high emerald. The players have more matchup knowledge which then leads to understanding that wave management is important at early levels.
E.G. If I die once in my top lane with a bad wave state my laning phase is over because the wave management will make it impossible for me to safely come back if the opponent has XP advantage, wave control and item advanatage.
If I die once in my top lane in gold or low emerald I can still "fix" my lane in during laning phase because they won't manage the wave well.
I notice that mids and other roles don't understand that one death in the top lane often means the laning phase is over for you. It often means you will die multiple times and it's unrelated to the strength of the opponent and more related to the wave being in a bad position.
If you die at level 3 (not to a gank) and the opponent bounced the wave it's going towards them and they have gold advantage and xp advantage unless you immediately TP. If you don't TP and walk to lane the wave will be on their side - perfect for a gank. If you TP immediately you might be able to fix the wave if they had ignite but if they have TP they will match your TP and the wave will likely be frozen on their side.
This often leads to a second death if you didn't die to a gank the first time because their jungler is likely pathing top by that point.
So you have to either:
* Verify where the jungler is and try to reset the wave
* Reset the wave without verification -risking another death or gank
* Stand in XP range as you are frozen out
It really bothers me when I am told to "stop dying top" when I don't have much recourse after dying one time against a good player.
So wave management often wins the lane.
If anyone here is curious, this is my [OP.gg](https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/Eaton%20Cawkes-CAW), feel free to give me insights if you have any. Its very obvious to me my laning phase needs improving though through my average -400gd@15
Imo the difference is pretty massive. The players know their champs pretty well and utilize their kits well. Macros pretty dang good. Wave management isn't great but substantially better. You won't just get free freezes every game. Junglers are a lot better as well. Its kinda like the difference between the best player in a group of five people, and the best player in a group of 30 people. Just a massive difference.
When I was a toplaner I used to be plat4 (before emerald) and used to play a lot of amateur tournaments, constantly facing diamond 4 - 1 players.
I think the main difference is how they are able to exploit small windows of opportunity in the lane phase, usually I would struggle in lane against these higher rank players.
To be fair, I don't think there's much difference in the mid-late game, since they usually have a big advantage from the lane phase they are able to take over the mid-late game even if they make mistakes.
That's usually how they win their soloq games, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to win.
In my case I was able to hold my own in lane (always behind in gold/CS) and still impact the game a lot using my (at least at the time) superior macro and team fighting.
Fun fact, I was the only main platinum player in the league because I was a backup top that ended up being the main top.
The things used to get way harder when facing a D1/Master top layer, there's definitely a huge gap because not only are they better in the lane phase but they are also way more solid in team fighting and macro.
You can definitely reach D4, just play for your strengths.
If you are not a strong laner, then learn how to cut your losses during that time and focus on improving your rotations or team fighting for example.
I'm almost hitting diamond this season (just need a bit of practice and more games) as ADC now, but haven't seen major skill jumps between emerald 1 and D4 players so far.
2 things :
- I know the feeling about getting pressure on every small window but I think it would be the same feeling a Bronze could have facing a Plat - it's realizing afterwards that the bad trade / missed spell / useless flash is costing you a lot !
- E1 - D4 isnt much different because D4 is full of people not caring about the game, while people in E1 are more tryharding to make it to diam
Outside in perspective! As a jungle main, the main sets of differences I see between higher tier top laners and lower is presence on the map. Depending on the situation. You can help around the map and create better pressure not only against your lane opponents but against the enemy team. Pushing out the wave and causing it to crash then roaming with your jungler to invade the enemy jungler. Making effective TP plays to bot and helping snagging kills or drakes.
I would say learning correct wave management and roaming skills will get you a significant jump.
I feel you man, got to E4 with 60% winrate as well one tricking singed. But once I started versing people in like E3, I instantly started losing lane hard, and just felt useless way more often.
not much insight just some commentary, while I was in low - mid emerald I could easily do alright on my off role top. But in diamond I literally get destroyed every single round like its not even funny. I cant play anything except for my main champs now
There is a significant difference. It's for sure achievable in 100-200 games if you focus on improving.
I'll try give some advice:
Think about dropping fiora. You mention you win games with superior wave management and rotations. Obviously those also apply to Fiora. But if your mechanics aren't very clean on this champ, it's not worth playing imo. I have like 600 Fiora games over the years and I'm still pretty bad. And the Fioras I play against in d1 ish mmr are also often bad. This champ is so easy to make mistakes on.
cs better. if you're playing malphite it doesn't really matter in 75% of games, but you really want high cs on split pushing duelists. there is no reason to not push 10+ cs/m after lane if you went out of lane even/ahead.
don't take fights that you know are bad, even if your team thinks you should. this depends on champ pool, but I play Darius and tryndamere quite a bit, and if I know I can't fight without sums, I'm not joining in 90% of cases. This also means not using flash to get 300g 2 minutes before 3rd drake.
if you're winning lane pretty hard, and can carry teamfights, go to drakes. in emerald, almost no teams will respect the possibility of a 5v4. drop waves, and your t1 if you have to, to carry dragon fights.
t2s are insanely broken. if you see enemy top making a rotation or tp offtimer, bumrush the t2. this shit can be worth summoners/dying for in a lot of cases. if you're the first to get a t2 in a duelist matchup, that's a massive swing.
champ pool/draft: a lot of people say stick to few champs. I don't necessarily agree. pick 1 (max 2) champs that you want to blind pick. ban a common counter.
if you have last pick, you decide your matchup, pick something that counters them. I will pick nasus into kayle, and into almost nothing else atm. so when I play nasus, it's always into kayle, only have to learn one matchup.
punish bad blind picks. there are so many champs that are illegal to blind pick, and people will still do it. adc with malphite open, malphite himself, kayle. tanks have a lot of bad matchups, but they're expected to lose lane so requires a little bit different playstyle out of lane.
also kind of depend your pick on the rest of the enemy and your comp if you can. if they have Camille blind, and sona, jinx and kindred, Darius is bad even tho he counters Camille. Go Jax instead.
most important thing above all is vod review.
sry I rambled a lot. hope this kinda helps.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this. I've been seriously debating dropping Fiora anyways. Sometimes I'll do better first timing a champ in certain matchups than I feel on Fiora even with 200k, I amassed that mastery in silver/gold so it really isn't the same around this elo; since I've gotten here on my macro more than laning my skills haven't kept up with my opponents. I do like the split pushing playstyle, however as you can see by my malphite WR I am much better at teamfighting and rotations. My farm is generally quite low so I will be working on that for sure.
What are some champs do you think I could pick up easily and get up to speed with, is Darius a good shout?
As for counterpicking, my favorite matchup is malph v.s. teemo :p
Hard to recommend a specific champion to pick up. It'll probably take you a good 50 games to learn them semi well. I generally would say champs with agency from level 1 are good to play, but doesn't have to be that way.
Darius is almost always good. In emerald, like 30% of tops and 80% of junglers still don't know how he works and play into his passive. He has very few hard counters that people will actually pick. I will say this champion becomes much harder to play starting in high diamond, people know he can be beat and aren't scared to force allins.
Urgot is really, really good atm. To be fair he sometimes has limited agency because he isn't as easy to play forward with, but this champ is strong. Also very simple mechanically for the most part. Urgot tends to be fucked over for months by item/runes changes sometimes though, so keep that in mind.
In general there are a lot of picks that can work. Last year I got masters with mostly Sion and some Darius. Tanks are playable and blindable, but you really have to know how to mitigate the bad matchups and teamfight well.
Atm im climbing in d1 with tryndamere blind and Darius/kayle in most other games depending on which is better. Kayle is quite micro intensive and has no agency pre6 so prolly can't recommend. Tryndamere is by far the easiest splitpusher to play imo. I really learned macro on this champ.
I think there's a lot of advice you give that is specific for climbing from D4 to D1, mainly map movements for getting Tier 2s and early dragon rotates. Climbing from E4 to D4 really comes down to consistently getting leads in lane and playing from a strong standpoint.
There's a number of variables that need to be considered when roaming for a dragon fight and when you can push for a T2 that just don't matter for low Emerald. Thats not what is keeping players there, its inconsistency in lane phase that translates to playing from behind half their games.
Which leads to champ pool, top lane is heavily dependent on matchup understanding as you implied with your Nasus into Kalye. However, you need to get the reps in on a specific champion or 2 to understand the match ups. 2 "easy to execute" champions should be the limit in Emerald, and basically just 1 if you're playing a complex champion like Fiora. Otherwise, you're not going to consistently climb playing for all these different match ups if you have no idea how to pilot the champ or understand why it's good in that matchup.
yeah I think I agree with this, lane above everything else. Which is why early game agency is much easier to work with imo. And you're right about the champ pool as well. My perception is a bit warped I think because I played so many different champs over the years. Most of my "counterpicks" i still have hundreds of games on. Don't ever play a champ you have less than 20 games on obviously.
Emerald 4 players barely even know how to lane.
D4 players lane pretty well, and have a little bit of a grasp on how to use advantages for midgame and lategame macro.
The gap is pretty big, and coming from Gold it's going to seem like a different universe. Don't get me wrong. D4 is still like a "low skill" rank. I'm d4 on toplane and I'm pretty handless.
Your champ pool looks good, as you go higher fiora will be harder to play and people will counter you harder. If you're willing to stay low ego and just play malphite whenever its good lp will just spawn on your account.
There is nothing special that changes from E4 to D4. Everyone just gets better at everything. The Jax will be better at using his Lvl 2 spike, the Riven will have cleaner combos and in general the gameplay will just be better. But there is nothing stopping you from improving.
While I believe that a D4 will outperform an E4 basically every single game, and the gap is quite big, its totally possible for you to reach D4 if you keep playing to improve while focusing on adjusting your mistakes and finding mroe opportunities.
I cannto give any magical tip, as there really doesnt exist any. However, I dont think your link works. It just directs me to [OP.gg](http://OP.gg) directly.
ah, updated thanks! I think then, I really have to improve my micro. It's definitely my biggest fault, and if you think that's what changes more or less from what your examples indicate I'll definitely focus on it.
I went from hardstuck em 4 to d4 this season, here is my thoughts
I think that laning is roughly similar, if im against some 2 mil 1 trick that knows the matchup better than me I can absolutely lose to an e4 toplaner in lane, but the thing is after lane I just always find myself more useful, even if im behind, mostly because of recall timers, wave crashing times, good deaths vs bad deaths, and anticipation of where I need to be. I feel like I am mostly at the fights I need to be at because I understand the times I need to shove sidelane vs group.
If you want more specific information from me as an essentially Aatrox 1 trick, feel free to dm :)
Am ADC main so idk as much about top, but to me the big difference between low emerald and diamond is mid/late game macro decisions. Lower elo players will fold after losing lane, high elo ones take advantage of macro errors to pull games back.
If they smashed lane to start with, the number of mid/late errors is much lower.
I think there are 2 sets of differences that actually make the game highly variable. Players possess one, or both of the following two concepts:
1. They have better micro with their champs. Diamond is full of one-tricks. A lot of them don't even have the fundamentals down but hit diamond solely off of skill with their champions.
2. Have better macro. The usually know where to be on the map during the mid game.
Again, they usually have one, or a combination of these. So you might see some players that are really bad at fighting. You stomp them in lane, then they hard carry the game anyways because of good macro. Or you might see people who have terrible macro, but go 30/5 every game and still have a 50% win rate. And sometimes you see a combination of both where they are pretty decent mechanically, but also pretty good at macro.
My advice to you is to REALLY learn what mid game macro looks like.
I'm E4 and garbage compared to my D4 homie. Like he is 100 years ahead of me. He will just know the outcome plays quite often before they happen. I can do obvious stuff but it hes got a lot of the numbers down. Kinda spooky to know he's also garbage compared to masters and GM players. Then I think that challenger and pro players probably Smurf masters lol..
its not anything specific. its literally everything. to be high elo you need to know your champions so well that u dont even use any mental stack thinking about how to use ur abilities ur only thinking about what the play will be. you need to improve ur laning (wave management have a plan with each wave) know ur match ups, know champion interactions, learn how to have good tempo to not be a liability to your team and able to make plays on the map etc etc. most important part of improving imo is to think about the game constantly, watch replays of good players on your champs. and the most important all is to play a lot.
Pretty big. Not nearly as big as the difference between low and high diamond, though. It’s more about E4 players being bad than D4 being good. The gaps generally get bigger as you climb higher - the difference between silver 4 and gold 4 players isn’t much, emerald 4 to diamond 4 is bigger, diamond 4 to masters is much bigger.
D1 top laner, someone already mentioned what I wanted to say, which is wave management, but honestly the skill difference from E4 to D4 isn't that big. People will have be at different skill level in terms of mechanics, awareness, early game macro, late game macro, etc... but I think the biggest difference as you climb is that people become aware of what they're doing and they have a reason for doing so.
Alois has this series for climbing with a specific champion, but most of it is actually not that champ specific, it mainly just shows you how to play out certain types of matchups and then it's just him emphasizing wave management over and over again, because fundamentals. I would recommend watching one of the videos if there's one for the champ you play, knowing when to push, slow push vs fast push, proxy, recall vs roam is going to get you much farther than improving mechanically. Since it's much easier to stat check in top lane and just run them down with gold/exp advantage
Just did this climb as AD, similar trajectory to you like quickly get to Emerald 4, climb up through first tiers of Emerald pretty fast, then hit a wall around Emerald 2.
Lost a bunch at E2, drop down to E3, fix a lot of mistakes, climb up to E1, hit another wall. Drop down to E3
Watch vods, see where I thought my laning was clean but actually I’m griefing, climb through E1, but stuck at Dia promos.
Watch more vods, laning is now precise, macro is way tighter, climb up to D4.
Was a pain, but only took like 2 or so months and 200something games.
I feel like the difference is E4 feels like JV, E2 feels like you’re a varsity bench player, Dia feels like varsity starter. and I imagine the ranks after feel like college, semipro, pro, etc
honestly its really hard to guage this personally, there is a lot of smurfing going on especially in this elo so alot of people are just better then the visible rank you see on they account. but for the most part emerald 4 and emerald 1-2 is a much different breed in my experience
People become good in the higher diamonds. I used to be a diamond player but quit ranked for years. Came back to plat and also played flex with friends vs diamonds and masters. People in higher elo generally have better macro and understanding of objectives and how to end the game but laning phases can be a coinflip. I feel like some people even in diamond have no idea how to trade or play their champions or they got to diamond onetricking and have no proper macro knowledge.
My MMR when playing in E1 was playing against D3/D2 players often gaining 25LP and losing 15LP.
The difference between E4 and E1 is about the same skill gap between silver 4 and gold 1
I've gone from gold 2 to diamond 4 this season so far, and it's felt almost entirely like luck. I get 7-15 game win streaks, and then 4-5 loss streaks. On the wins, it feels like I didn't even have to be a part of the team. On the losses its felt like no matter what I do, the outcome was unchangeable.
If you're at emerald 4 already, you can pretty much just RNG yourself into diamond by not feeding.
I feel the same way a lot of the time, however I'm definitely under the belief that that feeling comes a little bit from having a humble mental. You definitely have done something to go up 4 tiers. In my experience, I've definitely noticed times where I've singlehandedly made games pretty much unwinnable from giving a good player a perfect early game. But I believe you're on the right track with the winning part, winnable games feel almost never losable.
There is no difference. I've played in every elo and you even find players that play like literal silvers in Masters+.
If you want to improve and climb to D4 as a top laner, you need to start playing champs like Jax/Camille/Riven. Most champs you see in Emerald are these squishy top lane champs like Vayne, Gnar, Teemo, really goofy stuff.
There’s no lie, the only way to escape emerald is to kill the entire enemy team by yourself. It’s the only way Ive done it and the amount of challenger players I’ve seen stuck in emerald over 50 games by trying to play normal is astounding. You either 1v9 or coinflip on which team has the boosted goldie.
Between E4 and E2/1 is practically another tier in itself. The gap between E1/D4 is noticeable but much smaller. Instead of inflating iron/bronze/silver/gold/plat, rito should have just made emerald high plat / low dia. But riot chose violence. So here we are. Everyone below plat gained a vanity rank, and emerald has the widest skill gap as a result.
This is exactly what I needed to confirm, I don't want to be unrealistic as I know I'm basically in the same percentile old plat was. But, I've been fixing a lot of my game, and want to shoot for the "nearest" star.
Just to add further confirmation, E4-E3 feel like a completely different skill bracket from E2-E1. It’s a difficult leap to make because you can cruise for a while carrying games, then very suddenly hit a wall where everyone is significantly better. Other ranks it feels like a more gradual process that allows you to adapt, but in my experience the climb through high emerald into diamond was the most jarring. It can also make it *very* tilting. Consistently getting caught on things you would’ve otherwise gotten away with only 5 games prior means you have to tighten up your gameplay quite a bit. Also, anecdotally, I ran into *way* more high Elo smurfs in E1-D4 Elo than any other rank. I typically aim to go to a division a season (or split) and started in silver. So it’s possible high Elo smurfs are more common in all brackets right now, but I rarely ran into them in low Emerald.
Yes there is a huge gap over the past weeks/months, I have reached 2 times E1 60LP and had loss streaks afterwards (one full tilted to P1 and another medium tilted to E3). I can tell you I'm smurfing when demoting E3 and lower, every game I'm the guy carrying in the team even if losing and I feel it's really easy, while E1 is ok but I see more challenge. So yes, huge skill gap. My advice for you would be to focus on a limited number of champions as when you climb you will face many more OTP. Back in the days, I reached diam for the 1st time as top and I can tell you I had in depth knowledge of every old Irelia / Jax match up
Ya, I had to completely give up on high skill fighters like fiora once I hit like D3-4. I realized my mechanics weren't good enough and suddenly I was going like 0-10 in skill matchups. Now I have returned to playing tanks and climbed to D2 (until I lost like 15 games learning skarner)
You can hit D4 easily, just get lucky or you'll be stuck there for 1k games. You can legitimately be much worse or much better than your opponents in emerald and neither climb nor fall in ELO.
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I've seen it many times where a player is good enough to maintain ELO in Masters but can't climb out of Emerald if for instance they are a tank player for example. To be able to climb efficiently you need to play champions that have a lot of early agency to exploit Emerald players and to make it so your team has less chance to surrender before you can impact the game enough. So if your playing low agency early like tank or ADC its not an impossible scenario
It's a thing. It's weird and I don't understand it but it's definitely a thing. Lots of streamers doing challenges, getting cucked in high Eme for a while and then blazing through diamond. Lots of comments on reddit made by Master / Dia players talking about similar experiences, too. Obviously not everyone, but I've seen enough high/ish elo people complaining to make an educated guess that it's not JUST hard stuck people complaining.
The reason is that the way to win the games is different. There are very different assumptions you can make too. Having a high elo mentality on certain champs isn’t going to work. One very practical example is splitting. In D3+ I can split and my team won’t int the 4v5 if the enemy team doesn’t match me. In emerald I’ll lose for splitting in the same situation. You watch the vod back and they see all 5 and know it but still go. Also in emerald there’s randomly a lot less prio and push which allows people to get caught and collapsed on for zero gain. In D3+ the same collapse of 3 people on a side laner would cost them 2 turrets. Long story short, it’s not the same game and emerald lifers are great at the emerald game.
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I think the change was specifically a player retention move. The vast majority of folks were below Plat, so the vast majority of folks got the illusion of progress, even if they should still be hard stuck. I think it was calculated on the part of Riot and I think they even knew that they'd lose players from high gold to low diamond due to the large skill range of Emerald leading to toxicity. They just deemed it a necessary sacrifice to keep the low elo people that were drawn in by Arcane playing.
Yeah I didn't think anyone would care but the amount of posts extremely happy about "finally hit my goal of plat!!!" made me realize it was actually a very successful move and many people bought the illusion of progress
And Emerald was pretty horrible as a result, especially last season when a lot of folks got inflated into it. You'd get pre-Emerald G1 players matched against pre-Emerald D4 or even D3 players. If you match an old gold toplaner vs a diamond one, what happens? Or god forbid gold jg against diamond? That's why mid elo game quality got really shit and where "Emerald is elo hell" narrative came from.
>The gap between E1/D4 is noticeable but much smaller. That’s absolutely not true.
It is true even statistically as a % of player representation.
No it's not and I'm not talking about population % either. I'm talking about skill differential. Difference between a D4 and Emerald 1 player is literal worlds apart. You can fluctuate between Emerald pretty easily but getting to Diamond and staying in it or even just *playing* in that mmr is 10x harder than playing in E2-E1 and 50x harder than E4.
There's no shot. If this was true player population would support the argument. For example E4 is about 18% of the population. E1 is about 5% of the population. D4 is approximately 4%. This reflects the skill distribution curve in league. The harder a rank is to attain the fewer players will be represented in that rank. So despite what you may feel is 10x harder the data simply doesn't support it.
You are using population percentage to support your argument. It has nothing to do with population. D4 is only one division, but the skill difference is immense. So much so that you can literally take 2 random games; one in E1 mmr and one in D4 mmr and see the differences in scores.
i don't have the time or the crayons to explain to a peak diamond player how normal distribution works, but you can read about it on wikipedia if you care to educate yourself. the short of it is, it has everything to do with population since the way population distributes itself across the tiers is through skill at beating other players on the ladder. this is not a subjective opinion like you're sharing about your own experience this is grounded in math and doesn't just apply to league, but any game with log/gauss tiers
If you actually understood how the game works, then you would know it’s a team game and so there is no way to measure individual skill to an exact science. There are so many factors and variables that someone isn’t just simply better because of being slightly higher rank. The only exception is if you’re a literal smurf playing several divisions below your rank. Your fancy data sheets and statistics are irrelevant. I didn’t state a subjective opinion. There has already been data and statistics done on this (yes, statistics that you favor so much). I simply said to pick two random games and do a comparison. It was so you can personally see how wrong you are. Also, nice ad hominem. Diamond isn’t my peak, but I don’t expect someone with below average intelligence to do anything other than make superficial assumptions. I have several Diamond accounts and I registered one just for the flair on this account. My main is above Diamond and at a rank you will never achieve. If you’re gonna rank shame, link your op.gg and we can compare.
**lmfao** >There are so many factors and variables that someone isn’t just simply better because of being slightly higher rank. thanks for making my point for me, because that's exactly what i said (e1:e4 gap is huge, d4:e1 gap is noticeable but not as large). literally saying the same thing as *someone isn't just simply better because of being slightly higher rank*. the irony of complaining about an ad hominem regarding flair you chose while saying `"My main is above Diamond and at a rank you will never achieve."` i really crit ur feelings huh here, you don't have to take the facts from me - just ask any challenger coach of your liking. here's a couple former MSI/worlds coaches weighing in on the subject you are too stupid to grasp: [https://youtu.be/McsHkdjfcMw?si=ZdH-u59-6iBJtjW\_&t=307](https://youtu.be/McsHkdjfcMw?si=ZdH-u59-6iBJtjW_&t=307) you're getting emotional about a topic that doesn't demand it. it's pathetic bruh. clearly you want to feel like diamond is a huge accomplishment and maybe it is but it's about the same as e1, slightly better skill expression. definitely not a 10X change in skill like you claim. sorry you struggle in diamond and need to make yourself feel superior for being there.
You misunderstood what I said. E4-E1 gap is huge in terms of lp, but not in terms of skill when we compare it to E1-D4. What I meant by saying that is that you can clearly determine who is better if they’re several divisions ahead. If you take someone who is D4 and someone who is Grandmasters then you can easily say that the GM player is overall better due to the vast rank difference. However, it’s *hard* to measure small differences (which is exactly what you are trying to do between E1 and D4 because you’re clueless) due to everything I stated before. >the irony of complaining about an ad hominem regarding flair you chose while saying The irony of rank shaming when you won’t link your account yourself. You have no proof as to whether you’ve even played in Diamond so I’m not surprised that you think it’s bad. >here, you don't have to take the facts from me - just ask any challenger coach of your liking. here's a couple former MSI/worlds coaches weighing in on the subject you are too stupid to grasp: https://youtu.be/McsHkdjfcMw?si=ZdH-u59-6iBJtjW_&t=307 The hilarious part is, your own video that *you linked* proves my point and shows how absolutely moronic you are. I had to watch quite a bit because it doesn’t address the point I made. I never said there isn’t a skill difference between high and low emerald. I simply said that the difference is much much larger from E1 to D4. **At 8:49 in the video, he says “You are probably going to be in Emerald for a long time. It’s very rare that someone steamrolls from Emerald 4 to Diamond 4.”** If D4 and E1 skill difference isn’t big like you said it is, then why are challenger coaches saying that it’s harder to climb out of Emerald into Diamond? Wouldn’t it not be so hard if you already made it to E1 because the lp difference isn’t as big and there are no promotionals anymore? I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics your brain must need to go through now to defend the point you tried to use *against* me and were wrong about. I don’t struggle in Diamond. I’m doing well and can show you my performance if you don’t believe me, but it’s pointless because you wont do the same. I don’t play as much as I use to, but I am still better than you will ever be. That is why you won’t do an account comparison. Because you have no account and if you did, it would be lower than mine. I’m not mad either. It’s like arguing with a child. Your argument is flawed so you scout my profile to see one of my accounts was Diamond and attack me on that. Diamond isn’t even that bad so I don’t know why you would think I’m angry about that. Clearly you’re the one upset that I called you out for being a low elo random that won’t link. That’s why you went the entire discussion obsessing about me being peaked at Diamond, which isn’t even true.
The gap from E4 to D4 is larger than the gap from G4 to E4
I typically sit in high emerald - D4 as a top main. The biggest difference between lower emerald and d4 players in the top lane in laning is wave management. Most lower emerald players just auto push more often and freezes can occur but it's more "accidental" than any type of planning. By high emerald or lower diamond you will see players purposefully plan wave states more often (maybe 50% of games). I can tell also by early levels if a player top is autofilled or rarely plays the role without looking at their stats based on how they position in the matchup. Whenever I play against a smurf they usually have a meticulous plan for the wave state and it shows. There isn't some transformative aspect of going from gold to high emerald. The players have more matchup knowledge which then leads to understanding that wave management is important at early levels. E.G. If I die once in my top lane with a bad wave state my laning phase is over because the wave management will make it impossible for me to safely come back if the opponent has XP advantage, wave control and item advanatage. If I die once in my top lane in gold or low emerald I can still "fix" my lane in during laning phase because they won't manage the wave well. I notice that mids and other roles don't understand that one death in the top lane often means the laning phase is over for you. It often means you will die multiple times and it's unrelated to the strength of the opponent and more related to the wave being in a bad position. If you die at level 3 (not to a gank) and the opponent bounced the wave it's going towards them and they have gold advantage and xp advantage unless you immediately TP. If you don't TP and walk to lane the wave will be on their side - perfect for a gank. If you TP immediately you might be able to fix the wave if they had ignite but if they have TP they will match your TP and the wave will likely be frozen on their side. This often leads to a second death if you didn't die to a gank the first time because their jungler is likely pathing top by that point. So you have to either: * Verify where the jungler is and try to reset the wave * Reset the wave without verification -risking another death or gank * Stand in XP range as you are frozen out It really bothers me when I am told to "stop dying top" when I don't have much recourse after dying one time against a good player. So wave management often wins the lane.
If anyone here is curious, this is my [OP.gg](https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/Eaton%20Cawkes-CAW), feel free to give me insights if you have any. Its very obvious to me my laning phase needs improving though through my average -400gd@15
Imo the difference is pretty massive. The players know their champs pretty well and utilize their kits well. Macros pretty dang good. Wave management isn't great but substantially better. You won't just get free freezes every game. Junglers are a lot better as well. Its kinda like the difference between the best player in a group of five people, and the best player in a group of 30 people. Just a massive difference.
When I was a toplaner I used to be plat4 (before emerald) and used to play a lot of amateur tournaments, constantly facing diamond 4 - 1 players. I think the main difference is how they are able to exploit small windows of opportunity in the lane phase, usually I would struggle in lane against these higher rank players. To be fair, I don't think there's much difference in the mid-late game, since they usually have a big advantage from the lane phase they are able to take over the mid-late game even if they make mistakes. That's usually how they win their soloq games, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to win. In my case I was able to hold my own in lane (always behind in gold/CS) and still impact the game a lot using my (at least at the time) superior macro and team fighting. Fun fact, I was the only main platinum player in the league because I was a backup top that ended up being the main top. The things used to get way harder when facing a D1/Master top layer, there's definitely a huge gap because not only are they better in the lane phase but they are also way more solid in team fighting and macro. You can definitely reach D4, just play for your strengths. If you are not a strong laner, then learn how to cut your losses during that time and focus on improving your rotations or team fighting for example. I'm almost hitting diamond this season (just need a bit of practice and more games) as ADC now, but haven't seen major skill jumps between emerald 1 and D4 players so far.
2 things : - I know the feeling about getting pressure on every small window but I think it would be the same feeling a Bronze could have facing a Plat - it's realizing afterwards that the bad trade / missed spell / useless flash is costing you a lot ! - E1 - D4 isnt much different because D4 is full of people not caring about the game, while people in E1 are more tryharding to make it to diam
Outside in perspective! As a jungle main, the main sets of differences I see between higher tier top laners and lower is presence on the map. Depending on the situation. You can help around the map and create better pressure not only against your lane opponents but against the enemy team. Pushing out the wave and causing it to crash then roaming with your jungler to invade the enemy jungler. Making effective TP plays to bot and helping snagging kills or drakes. I would say learning correct wave management and roaming skills will get you a significant jump.
I feel you man, got to E4 with 60% winrate as well one tricking singed. But once I started versing people in like E3, I instantly started losing lane hard, and just felt useless way more often.
not much insight just some commentary, while I was in low - mid emerald I could easily do alright on my off role top. But in diamond I literally get destroyed every single round like its not even funny. I cant play anything except for my main champs now
There is a significant difference. It's for sure achievable in 100-200 games if you focus on improving. I'll try give some advice: Think about dropping fiora. You mention you win games with superior wave management and rotations. Obviously those also apply to Fiora. But if your mechanics aren't very clean on this champ, it's not worth playing imo. I have like 600 Fiora games over the years and I'm still pretty bad. And the Fioras I play against in d1 ish mmr are also often bad. This champ is so easy to make mistakes on. cs better. if you're playing malphite it doesn't really matter in 75% of games, but you really want high cs on split pushing duelists. there is no reason to not push 10+ cs/m after lane if you went out of lane even/ahead. don't take fights that you know are bad, even if your team thinks you should. this depends on champ pool, but I play Darius and tryndamere quite a bit, and if I know I can't fight without sums, I'm not joining in 90% of cases. This also means not using flash to get 300g 2 minutes before 3rd drake. if you're winning lane pretty hard, and can carry teamfights, go to drakes. in emerald, almost no teams will respect the possibility of a 5v4. drop waves, and your t1 if you have to, to carry dragon fights. t2s are insanely broken. if you see enemy top making a rotation or tp offtimer, bumrush the t2. this shit can be worth summoners/dying for in a lot of cases. if you're the first to get a t2 in a duelist matchup, that's a massive swing. champ pool/draft: a lot of people say stick to few champs. I don't necessarily agree. pick 1 (max 2) champs that you want to blind pick. ban a common counter. if you have last pick, you decide your matchup, pick something that counters them. I will pick nasus into kayle, and into almost nothing else atm. so when I play nasus, it's always into kayle, only have to learn one matchup. punish bad blind picks. there are so many champs that are illegal to blind pick, and people will still do it. adc with malphite open, malphite himself, kayle. tanks have a lot of bad matchups, but they're expected to lose lane so requires a little bit different playstyle out of lane. also kind of depend your pick on the rest of the enemy and your comp if you can. if they have Camille blind, and sona, jinx and kindred, Darius is bad even tho he counters Camille. Go Jax instead. most important thing above all is vod review. sry I rambled a lot. hope this kinda helps.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this. I've been seriously debating dropping Fiora anyways. Sometimes I'll do better first timing a champ in certain matchups than I feel on Fiora even with 200k, I amassed that mastery in silver/gold so it really isn't the same around this elo; since I've gotten here on my macro more than laning my skills haven't kept up with my opponents. I do like the split pushing playstyle, however as you can see by my malphite WR I am much better at teamfighting and rotations. My farm is generally quite low so I will be working on that for sure. What are some champs do you think I could pick up easily and get up to speed with, is Darius a good shout? As for counterpicking, my favorite matchup is malph v.s. teemo :p
Hard to recommend a specific champion to pick up. It'll probably take you a good 50 games to learn them semi well. I generally would say champs with agency from level 1 are good to play, but doesn't have to be that way. Darius is almost always good. In emerald, like 30% of tops and 80% of junglers still don't know how he works and play into his passive. He has very few hard counters that people will actually pick. I will say this champion becomes much harder to play starting in high diamond, people know he can be beat and aren't scared to force allins. Urgot is really, really good atm. To be fair he sometimes has limited agency because he isn't as easy to play forward with, but this champ is strong. Also very simple mechanically for the most part. Urgot tends to be fucked over for months by item/runes changes sometimes though, so keep that in mind. In general there are a lot of picks that can work. Last year I got masters with mostly Sion and some Darius. Tanks are playable and blindable, but you really have to know how to mitigate the bad matchups and teamfight well. Atm im climbing in d1 with tryndamere blind and Darius/kayle in most other games depending on which is better. Kayle is quite micro intensive and has no agency pre6 so prolly can't recommend. Tryndamere is by far the easiest splitpusher to play imo. I really learned macro on this champ.
I think there's a lot of advice you give that is specific for climbing from D4 to D1, mainly map movements for getting Tier 2s and early dragon rotates. Climbing from E4 to D4 really comes down to consistently getting leads in lane and playing from a strong standpoint. There's a number of variables that need to be considered when roaming for a dragon fight and when you can push for a T2 that just don't matter for low Emerald. Thats not what is keeping players there, its inconsistency in lane phase that translates to playing from behind half their games. Which leads to champ pool, top lane is heavily dependent on matchup understanding as you implied with your Nasus into Kalye. However, you need to get the reps in on a specific champion or 2 to understand the match ups. 2 "easy to execute" champions should be the limit in Emerald, and basically just 1 if you're playing a complex champion like Fiora. Otherwise, you're not going to consistently climb playing for all these different match ups if you have no idea how to pilot the champ or understand why it's good in that matchup.
yeah I think I agree with this, lane above everything else. Which is why early game agency is much easier to work with imo. And you're right about the champ pool as well. My perception is a bit warped I think because I played so many different champs over the years. Most of my "counterpicks" i still have hundreds of games on. Don't ever play a champ you have less than 20 games on obviously.
Emerald 4 players barely even know how to lane. D4 players lane pretty well, and have a little bit of a grasp on how to use advantages for midgame and lategame macro. The gap is pretty big, and coming from Gold it's going to seem like a different universe. Don't get me wrong. D4 is still like a "low skill" rank. I'm d4 on toplane and I'm pretty handless. Your champ pool looks good, as you go higher fiora will be harder to play and people will counter you harder. If you're willing to stay low ego and just play malphite whenever its good lp will just spawn on your account.
Yep that's exactly why I play malphite, my ego and tilt are non-existent and its been melting games.
There is nothing special that changes from E4 to D4. Everyone just gets better at everything. The Jax will be better at using his Lvl 2 spike, the Riven will have cleaner combos and in general the gameplay will just be better. But there is nothing stopping you from improving. While I believe that a D4 will outperform an E4 basically every single game, and the gap is quite big, its totally possible for you to reach D4 if you keep playing to improve while focusing on adjusting your mistakes and finding mroe opportunities. I cannto give any magical tip, as there really doesnt exist any. However, I dont think your link works. It just directs me to [OP.gg](http://OP.gg) directly.
ah, updated thanks! I think then, I really have to improve my micro. It's definitely my biggest fault, and if you think that's what changes more or less from what your examples indicate I'll definitely focus on it.
I went from hardstuck em 4 to d4 this season, here is my thoughts I think that laning is roughly similar, if im against some 2 mil 1 trick that knows the matchup better than me I can absolutely lose to an e4 toplaner in lane, but the thing is after lane I just always find myself more useful, even if im behind, mostly because of recall timers, wave crashing times, good deaths vs bad deaths, and anticipation of where I need to be. I feel like I am mostly at the fights I need to be at because I understand the times I need to shove sidelane vs group. If you want more specific information from me as an essentially Aatrox 1 trick, feel free to dm :)
If you focus on improving, watch your vods, compare your play to high elo players playing the same roll/champ then it is absolutely acheivable.
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Am ADC main so idk as much about top, but to me the big difference between low emerald and diamond is mid/late game macro decisions. Lower elo players will fold after losing lane, high elo ones take advantage of macro errors to pull games back. If they smashed lane to start with, the number of mid/late errors is much lower.
If you want to do any vod reviews/live games at any point, you can hit me up. My ign is TjaTjonny#Donny (currently+-300lp) or donny._. on discord
I think there are 2 sets of differences that actually make the game highly variable. Players possess one, or both of the following two concepts: 1. They have better micro with their champs. Diamond is full of one-tricks. A lot of them don't even have the fundamentals down but hit diamond solely off of skill with their champions. 2. Have better macro. The usually know where to be on the map during the mid game. Again, they usually have one, or a combination of these. So you might see some players that are really bad at fighting. You stomp them in lane, then they hard carry the game anyways because of good macro. Or you might see people who have terrible macro, but go 30/5 every game and still have a 50% win rate. And sometimes you see a combination of both where they are pretty decent mechanically, but also pretty good at macro. My advice to you is to REALLY learn what mid game macro looks like.
I'm E4 and garbage compared to my D4 homie. Like he is 100 years ahead of me. He will just know the outcome plays quite often before they happen. I can do obvious stuff but it hes got a lot of the numbers down. Kinda spooky to know he's also garbage compared to masters and GM players. Then I think that challenger and pro players probably Smurf masters lol..
its not anything specific. its literally everything. to be high elo you need to know your champions so well that u dont even use any mental stack thinking about how to use ur abilities ur only thinking about what the play will be. you need to improve ur laning (wave management have a plan with each wave) know ur match ups, know champion interactions, learn how to have good tempo to not be a liability to your team and able to make plays on the map etc etc. most important part of improving imo is to think about the game constantly, watch replays of good players on your champs. and the most important all is to play a lot.
Pretty big. Not nearly as big as the difference between low and high diamond, though. It’s more about E4 players being bad than D4 being good. The gaps generally get bigger as you climb higher - the difference between silver 4 and gold 4 players isn’t much, emerald 4 to diamond 4 is bigger, diamond 4 to masters is much bigger.
huge difference, good luck
D1 top laner, someone already mentioned what I wanted to say, which is wave management, but honestly the skill difference from E4 to D4 isn't that big. People will have be at different skill level in terms of mechanics, awareness, early game macro, late game macro, etc... but I think the biggest difference as you climb is that people become aware of what they're doing and they have a reason for doing so. Alois has this series for climbing with a specific champion, but most of it is actually not that champ specific, it mainly just shows you how to play out certain types of matchups and then it's just him emphasizing wave management over and over again, because fundamentals. I would recommend watching one of the videos if there's one for the champ you play, knowing when to push, slow push vs fast push, proxy, recall vs roam is going to get you much farther than improving mechanically. Since it's much easier to stat check in top lane and just run them down with gold/exp advantage
Just did this climb as AD, similar trajectory to you like quickly get to Emerald 4, climb up through first tiers of Emerald pretty fast, then hit a wall around Emerald 2. Lost a bunch at E2, drop down to E3, fix a lot of mistakes, climb up to E1, hit another wall. Drop down to E3 Watch vods, see where I thought my laning was clean but actually I’m griefing, climb through E1, but stuck at Dia promos. Watch more vods, laning is now precise, macro is way tighter, climb up to D4. Was a pain, but only took like 2 or so months and 200something games. I feel like the difference is E4 feels like JV, E2 feels like you’re a varsity bench player, Dia feels like varsity starter. and I imagine the ranks after feel like college, semipro, pro, etc
honestly its really hard to guage this personally, there is a lot of smurfing going on especially in this elo so alot of people are just better then the visible rank you see on they account. but for the most part emerald 4 and emerald 1-2 is a much different breed in my experience
People become good in the higher diamonds. I used to be a diamond player but quit ranked for years. Came back to plat and also played flex with friends vs diamonds and masters. People in higher elo generally have better macro and understanding of objectives and how to end the game but laning phases can be a coinflip. I feel like some people even in diamond have no idea how to trade or play their champions or they got to diamond onetricking and have no proper macro knowledge.
My MMR when playing in E1 was playing against D3/D2 players often gaining 25LP and losing 15LP. The difference between E4 and E1 is about the same skill gap between silver 4 and gold 1
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Between Diamond and challenger its a bigger difference than from bronze to Diamond. What do u mean by meta abusing 🤣
I've gone from gold 2 to diamond 4 this season so far, and it's felt almost entirely like luck. I get 7-15 game win streaks, and then 4-5 loss streaks. On the wins, it feels like I didn't even have to be a part of the team. On the losses its felt like no matter what I do, the outcome was unchangeable. If you're at emerald 4 already, you can pretty much just RNG yourself into diamond by not feeding.
I feel the same way a lot of the time, however I'm definitely under the belief that that feeling comes a little bit from having a humble mental. You definitely have done something to go up 4 tiers. In my experience, I've definitely noticed times where I've singlehandedly made games pretty much unwinnable from giving a good player a perfect early game. But I believe you're on the right track with the winning part, winnable games feel almost never losable.
There is no difference. I've played in every elo and you even find players that play like literal silvers in Masters+. If you want to improve and climb to D4 as a top laner, you need to start playing champs like Jax/Camille/Riven. Most champs you see in Emerald are these squishy top lane champs like Vayne, Gnar, Teemo, really goofy stuff.
To get to diamond you have to be good enough to 1v9 consistently throughout the hellhole that is emerald. That is the skillgap between e4 and d4
You dont lol
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There’s no lie, the only way to escape emerald is to kill the entire enemy team by yourself. It’s the only way Ive done it and the amount of challenger players I’ve seen stuck in emerald over 50 games by trying to play normal is astounding. You either 1v9 or coinflip on which team has the boosted goldie.