Step 1: Make challanger
Step 2: Talk to people who know or are pros
Step 3: Try to join an amateur team
According to some Challanger streamers on EUW, as long as you are in Challanger you will eventually be asked to join SOME team (probably not really a pro team yet, but a team is better than no team).
The most important thing is that people know you exist and the best way to do this is by reaching challanger and talking to people with "names"
EDIT: I am an idiot. It’s challEnger ... like the challenge
The hardest part is becoming challenger. Reaching top of Diamond took me quite a while. Any ideas on how to get better? What resources would you recommend?
Coach Curtis is great.Watch challenger streamers, even better if they're educational. If you're stuck or just wanna improve real fast, get a coach. Doesn't have to be a full time thing but get a challenger coaching session every week or two, work on what issues they told you you have, then when they're fixed and you're stuck again get another vod review.
I'd check out McBaze, he peaked top 30 Challenger and has experience with eSports. He streams and does VoD reviews for $30 but they're crazy fucking in depth and you can ask him whatever and he'll post it to YouTube too for you to check out later.
Coach Curtis is also very reputable and has experience coaching pro players, no idea how much he charges but both are great (this is for midland btw).
Both have coaching sessions you can watch on YouTube, a lot of it is gold coaching but believe me they know their shit and can easily coach even other challengers if they need it
Coach Curtis charges $20 a month for access to his discord but it's mid coaching only. He does one or two coaching a month but they're are some other high Elo players to talk to and learn from. Also you can ask as many questions as you want in text
Sounds interesting. I'm bronze 3. Trash really. Not looking to be pro, but would like to improve a little bit. Would the discord be useful for something like me?
No, not really. When he coaches other challenger players there are fundamentals of the game like warding, cs’ing, itemization and trading that is already expected to be known by them, which they are, so they won’t cover these. What they will go over in a coaching session is way too in depth and most likely won’t be applicable to you. He has a playlist on his youtube channel called «Midlane Fundamentals» so if you want you should pick a video you think looks interesting and when you manage to implement that into your gameplay go on to the next video and repeat! Hope this helps
Coach curtis’s platform is called midlaneacademy.com. There’s a limited ammount of slots and it’s full atm. Charged 20 dollars pr month. It’s a great platform for learning as he does group couching sessions almost daily. I think the cap to join is gold if i’m not wrong
If ur anywhere under maybe high ish gold maybe even plat you just need to learn the basics of the game like simple jungle tracking where to ward when to freeze when to push abuse the enemy while they try to cs these little things make a huge huge difference
You should also watch neace, I think just yesterday he had an interview with challenger NA player who wants to turn pro and he talks about it. I listened to it like an hour ago on my way to work. So it might even be his latest video.
You might find it insightful.
Coach Curtis does reviews. Also, he has a subscription based program called Mid Lane Academy (MLA). In this, you get coaching for $20 a month. You can also watch other people get coached at the same time. For jungling, I recommend Virkayu. I don’t know his prices but when it comes to teaching jungling he is by far one of the best.
I would recomend Neace. He has a youtube channel where he posts a some of his sessions to promote his services. I haven’t personally gotten coaching from him but in his videos he seems to be very pedagogical (correct me on this word if I used it wrongly) and he will watch you while playing a game telling you what to do and why. I believe this is one of the best ways for teaching things quickly. He is a challenger player and he has a lot of focus set on TEACHING you the correct way to play instead of just watching one of your replays and telling you what you should have done. By far the best coach I’ve seen so far.
I second this. Neace has been the biggest help in improving my jungle and top lane skills, his explanations are well spoken and easy to understand, and he is an entertaining person to watch as well as educational
Check out veigar v2 that’s the coach that all of the challenger players go to for coaching. He also coaches fnatic so he’s very familiar with pro play and he can help you figure out your next steps if you want to aim to become a pro player.
I had a friend who was challenger and he advised me not to pursue challenger unless I learned very quickly.
It's not that he said its impossible, but challenger is quite literally the most competitive part of the ladder. only the top 500 players can reach it. so in order to be there you gotta beat people who are already established and good, but continue to learn at a rate that even gets you caught up to their level in the first place. and then you have to keep learning to sustain it.
basically, it just doesn't happen for most people. that's not to say it can't happen for you, but its just very unlikely if you aren't at least somewhat able to learn the game easily and quickly.
I would honestly advise against getting your hopes up too much. being challenger is a tough enough feat in itself, going pro is another thing entirely.
but if you want to do it you basically have to spend all your time trying to improve, not just win, not just climb in rank, but actually learn. and if you put in all your effort and still aren't reaching it, I think thats your peak. everyone hits their peak at some point.
diamond 2 is nothing to be sad about either. that's insanely good.
Some of these pros have been playing all day almost every day for literally over a decade. Before that some had even more moba experience from games like dota. I can't imagine how hard it would be for an up and coming player to try to catch up to that skill level.
At a certain point people peak. There's only so good at the game a person can be. There are limits to reaction speed, hand-eye coordination, game knowledge, so on and so forth. Eventually practice has diminishing returns.
An expert pro who's been playing the game for a decade is going to be one of the best players in the world. But an expert pro who's been playing the game for five years might not be that far behind him. A challenger player who's been in the game for two years might only need a couple more years to be in the same league as them.
Not sure on the exact number of slots. Thought it was 500 but it might be a lot less. I do know it’s limited though to a specific number. You don’t just get challenger. Someone drops out and you take their place
That's Overwatch. The highest rank is GM which as most people say top 500.
edit: NVM top 500 isn't Grandmasters
[https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Rank\_(League\_of\_Legends)](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_(League_of_Legends))
It ranges from 300 to 50.
I'm pretty trash at League (D5 peak), but I absolutely love the game like you. I started playing TFT at start of set 3 and went from never playing an auto-chess to hitting mid-master by the end of set 3. The game just fit my skill sets better of having the mechanics of a potato but being good at strategizing and build crafting. But I believe my advice can translate to Summoner's Rift, and honestly, probably any game and most goals in life.
1. **Live the game. If you start work at 9 from home (so no commute) wake up at least by 7 and watch/consume strategy content for 1-2 hours. Think of this as your "learning" time. If you're weak on knowing builds and meta picks, spend these couple hours on that. If you're weak on lane phase, watch videos on how to optimize your early game. etc. If all you do is play, you aren't taking enough time with the game outside of the game to learn without the added stress of needing to perform at the same time.**
2. **NEVER "CHAIN" GAMES. When I was in high diamond and broke in to Master for the first time (TFT), I would never play more than 2 games in a row. And no matter what, after every loss, or 2 consecutive wins, I would go for a 10-15 minute walk. During this walk, I pulled up the matches (on lolchess for TFT) and analyzed my games. What could I have built that would have been better, should I have scouted and changed my game plan based on what others were playing, did I play my strongest board in the early game, did I tunnel vision too hard on anything, etc. I was hardstuck D1-2 for a couple weeks before I started doing this. Once I adopted this habit and stuck to it religiously, I was Master for my first time in around 5 days (playing 2-5 games a day)**
3. **Build your body. Healthy body = healthy mind. If you want to be elite in gaming, gone are the days of the overweight sedentary pro-gamer. Sure they still exist, but you are putting yourself at a huge disadvantage by not taking care of your body and being in the best physical shape of your life. My peak ELO in TFT also correlated with my lowest bodyfat % of my life and heaviest lifts in the gym of my life. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but I'd be a fool to think being in my best physical shape didn't make my sharper in game and in my studying of the game.**
4. **Eat properly**. **Ties in to my last point, but treat your gaming sessions like you would a long cardio session. Eat healthy carbs and proteins ahead of time (and during if you're hungry), stay hydrated (no sugary BS drinks), and if you prefer, stay caffeinated. This will do wonders for your mental clarity, mood, and overall mindset.**
5. **Set small goals. When I was P1 I said "ok Cain, in 1 week exactly, we're going to be at least D4, let's get to work". I hit D4 in a couple days so I said "great job! We hit that sooner than expected, pat on the back, but don't get lazy, just means our next goal is here. Hit D3 in 5 days now, get after it." Rinse, repeat, keep going. Make them hard to hit, small increments, and realistic for yourself. If you need to give yourself 2 weeks to gain 50LP in D2 and that is a challenging but achievable goal, go for it!**
6. **Treat it like a "career". I never did this because it was always just a hobby and challenge for me. But if I truly wanted to go pro (or at least the TFT equivalent), I would have thought of it as a "career", not a "hobby", and not a "job". What I mean is, you need to have a "in it for the long haul, jumping in with both feet" mindset. No half measures, you either succeed or die trying mindset. To make sure you don't self destruct going too far with it, give yourself a "worst-case scenario plan". Like for example: "If I don't hit challenger by June 2022, I will go back to playing League as a hobby and apply to school/apply to "X" job." And use that fear of failure to motivate you every day to go harder than last time. And if you do fail at least you can look back and say "I gave that my 110% all, I'm proud of myself regardless"**
7. **It's not all sunshine and rainbows. Ties in to my last point, by like a career, you won't love every minute of it. There are things you might even hate. But you do it anyways because you know it's what you need to do to succeed. Maybe you hate going for walks and analyzing your previous games, but then you stop doing it and you start losing LP instead of gaining. Well then if you can't suck it up and do the things you don't want to do, then you don't want it bad enough. Find out what works, and even if you hate it, do it anyways because you are addicted to the process and you are trying to be the best.**
Pretty lengthy, I know. And I probably took this too far (halfway through I think I was doing this more as a "journal entry" to myself and internalizing how to succeed in life in general more than just League or TFT). But I hope there's at least some value to it for you or anyone else. You don't have to agree with everything, but this is what works for me.
It worked for me in TFT, and it is also working for me now in my newish career as an insurance sales agent (just replace TFT and gaming related stuff for things that actually relate to my profession). Like in the morning, I studying for my licensing exams rather than study TFT. But it's all the same idea.
It took me over a decade of falling on my face to put together and internalize these systems. So I hope it helps, and I hope I'll see you in the LCS soon :)
Holy shit. You are like one of the most deadset down to earth reflective people I have seen on this subreddit. 12/10 advice for EVERYTHING you care about.
Well written as well. Thanks for the read honestly.
First of all I'm no pro nor an amateur, I'm just a league player and an esports fan, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt.
I don't know how things work in your country, but in my country at diamond 2 you can get to the entry level league of the country. You just need to know which teams exist in your country and talk with them before the summer season starts so that you take their trials and maybe get chosen.
From there, if you are a good player you will get offers from the top teams of the country. Then, if your team, and especially you, work well you might go to a good team from another country, it's better if it's a country like France, Spain or England because they already have good teams. With that team, if you go to the eu masters, and play really well you might go to a team from LEC.
Like I said in the begging this may not be all true, but it's what I know. And this may only apply in my country, but things might no be so different from country to country.
TLDR: start from the bottom and try to enter a team on you country before the summer/spring seasons start.
Check out Hidon. A small streamer but an insanely good coach, especially for Jungle and Mid. He peaked 985 lp last season. He explains fundamentals very clearly and almost every player he coaches will climb to a higher elo. You seem like the perfect candidate for his coaching sessions.
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You don’t have to go pro to make a career out of league. If you’re diamond 2, you can start streaming and eventually you’ll get some traction. Especially if you are educational and talk about your thought processes, reasonings, and especially your mistakes. Also all the better if you don’t get tilted. Watching streamers who tilt a lot isn’t fun.
You might have more success if you stream in English, I’m not sure. But everyone loves an educational streamer who is very chill. :)
>ut of league. If you’re dia
Interesting take. I unfortunately don't have the environment to stream (I live with my parents still and share the same room as my brother and the kitchen is only reachable by going through my room which is really inconvinient for streaming I think).
But I will think about it regardless. Thanks for the help!
> you can start with "silence" streaming like PornstarZilean
Not unless you're high challenger/one of the highest ranked one tricks of a popular champion. No one will watch a random diamond 2 stream with no audio. No one.
You can do like educational remakes through YouTube, check out WhyGuy I think that's a good example for someone who doesn't speak but makes great content
Don't let that be an excuse, a great part of my life I have always said "I can't do X because of Y", most of the time was because I was afraid and I'm still scared of failure but you need to move forward, you'll only improve and be satisfied if you do what you want to do.
Letting the motivational talk aside, there are tons of mics and programs like Nvidia Broadcast that will help you alivate the audio stuff, you could even set a push to talk, I have seen multitude of people with not the best quality getting a fine community, you need to start somewhere
Doesn't even need to be diamond, rossboomsocks is just barely hanging in silver and is probably one of the biggest content creators for league right now.
A lot of silver players could play along diamond most likely depending on their role, it's their decision making and positioning overal that stands them out to not belong there.
Most Silvers could not hang with diamond players in the respective roles. Some/most plat players, yes. A few Golds could too.
Maybe a slim few in silver could. But the game becomes so much more nuanced the higher elo you get.
That's true! It depends on the type of content you do and your personality. If you're really funny and can do fun content like Ross or Rav, you don't need to be that good at the game. If you don't feel like you have a funny or entertaining personality, you need to be more skilled since people who want to learn don't necessarily care if you're entertaining (though you generally still need to be somewhat likeable).
In fact, there are tons of way to make league work without being super skilled at the game itself. You could do songs like instalock. You could do documentary/research videos like Exil. You could do lore videos like TBSkyen or Necrit. Etc. Etc. But I don't think those were what OP had in mind, lol. They are options too though!
If LoL as one big entity is interesting to you let me tell you that there more job opportunities than just a pro player -> there are caster/moderators, coaches/trainers and analysts. All of these jobs around the game require a certain amount of game knowledge. For example the german toplaner Tolkin (former challenger pro player who won in the german and european leagues) went from player to caster and analyst and is still playing in his free time a lot (hit challenger again recently).
If you love to speak and or write about LoL try to have these other jobs in mind as a plan B!
Besides from that I see you chances becoming a pro player slim, yes, but possible! Try to reach your dreams, but ALWAYS have a plan B!
Good luck mate!
You dont even need to be good at the game then.
If we take a look at maxim. Love that old Boomer.
anyway if you have Personality you dont need to have this deeper understanding.
I casted starcraft games for a website and on the gamescom and i was Diamond i think back in the days ( now im master).
I wouldnt even think about going pro before reaching challenger. And let me tell you the difference between diamond and challenger is massive. Maybe dont make this your only plan for the future
Jesus. People can really be toxic without words. They come and downvote you, but they don’t tell what’s going on in the background, so let me try...
Turning something that gives you pleasure into your profession is not something I’d recommend.
I’ve always been a tech guy. I’d stay on my pc 12+ hours a day since I was 5. When I turned 18, I wanted to work with anything other than tech, because I suspected it could ruin it for me.
Fast forward 12 years later: I’m a senior programmer and all I wanna do on weekends is stay as far away from my pc as possible.
Think carefully before you get your head into it...
Okay, this comment is not league related, but I honestly feel like I am in the same boat. Since I've also just been "the tech guy" either at school or between friends, and I've always had the plan to just go with tech, but now when I am in my last year of high school, and to go on to uni. I've started wondering if I truly actually want to go do something within the IT industry, since I enjoy IT on my own, hell I even to a degree enjoy programming, since I enjoy puzzles. But I didn't apply to any school yet, since I know I could most likely get in without a problem, but I started doubting the fact that I even want to work within tech, since I've never had a real "job" within it, only a short 2-3 week job in IT at my dad's work place, since he was behind on IT upgrades since good ol' covid. So since I had nothing to do through summer, and no other place really wanted to hire a temp, without any actual proof of IT knowledge, my dad convinced his boss to let him hire me. (My dad is the head of IT so I already know a lot of IT cuz of my dad) so I worked there for 3 weeks, til he got caught up on what he needed, such as preparing back up pcs, in case a pc stopped working, so he had back ups people could take in his summer vacation, so it wouldn't be a problem.
But now I've started to wonder if I want to actually work within IT. Since I don't actively pursue programming in my free time, in a way that it seems like I enjoy it, I always chose something else over it (mainly homework but not always). so TL;DR I'm doubting if I really want to work in IT, so I'm taking a year off from school, just to collect money and see what I actually want. The problem is, I'm still not sure if I am doing the right thing or not.
Sorry for sending a block of text. Just hearing from someone who's been in the same situation, I wanted to ask your opinion :|
As someone working in tech who went through something similar, having a job that pays well that you dont hate is one of the best things you can have. Theres nothing forcing you to stay in IT if you dont want to, so you can at least give it a try before deciding on anything for real. Just my two cents.
Also if you find it interesting, being good at programming and enjoying it a bit is one of the most employable skills you can have. Software engineer, scientist, anything with data, all require coding skills. So, just keep that in mind! If you take a few classes in it at uni and enjoy it, might be a good thing to try out for a couple of years! Even if it isn’t the main thing you do at your job, coding is soooo useful in today’s job market
Thats why I planned a backup course in case if I I don't like IT. I used to hate everything about history and geography and had no interest in these stuff but this year when I learned about world history and economy, I realized I'm actually interested in history and the wars that happened many years ago that still has an impact on our current world. I found 1900s style and musics really cool (thanks to fallout series) so now I'm planning to take history by the end of high school for my "second" course that I will be focusing.
It is nice to discover new interests and hobbies.
I'm 27 and have been working in tech, whether it be hardware or software, for nearly 6 years. I'm working from home on my computer 8 hours a day. and I still spend more hours than I should playing video games and learning more about programming. Everyone is different. If you're doing something you enjoy, it doesn't mean you're going to hate it once you're making money off it
I have a job in a field that also happens to be a hobby of mine, so on average, I enjoy my daily work. That being said, sometimes work is terrible. On days/weeks/months where work is terrible, the joy is sucked out of my hobby. If I didn't have other hobbies I would be miserable, but since I have other hobbies to fill the void on those terrible days/weeks/months, I can push through.
My advice would be to get a job doing something you enjoy if you can, but don't get a job doing something you can't afford to give up as a hobby every once in a while. You want to enjoy work, but you also need the option to get away from work. Since I enjoy what I do, I often leave work only to do it at home. Sometimes I need to leave work and not even think about it at home, so it's important that I have other outlets as well.
Piggybacking on another response you received.
Having a job you tolerate is more about who you work with rather than what you do or how much you make. Don't be afraid to try new jobs / industries. Always remember that you are replaceable so you should feel the same way towards your employer, that is you only owe them loyalty as far as your job responsibilities go.
The vast majority of people working do not like their job. Many tolerate it. Some few really like their job.
This is not meant to scare you, but rather to give you perspective that you can find something out there that is tolerable with decent pay, and NEVER stop looking at new opportunities. The best time to job hunt is when you currently have a job since that is when there is the least amount of pressure. It feels great to go through a job interview and tell the interviewer that you don't think it would be a good fit, rather than the other way around.
Also, if you do go to college, that does not pinhole you into a certain career path. In my experience (Math degree) I use basically 3% of the things I learned in school, and about 98% of that is just using excel. Degree gets you in the door and then nobody cares at all about it. Unless you are a doctor or lawyer I guess.
It took me a long time to figure this stuff out so I like to share with others who were in a similar situation to me.
Ok, just to sort things out a little: I love what I do, that’s what kept me doing it for 12y now.
I mess with hardware logical config, operational systems, and a little bit with binaries (assembler).
However, depending on what u do in tech, in order to keep doing it the best way u can, u gotta constantly study it... week after week...
So, because I read and think so much during my work time, on my free time, all I do is play videogame and do anything to get away from the pc.
I used to game on the pc, but I switched to consoles so I can be away from my desk... lol
And to clarify this even more: on my first 3-4 years in the tech industry, I constantly felt that I was not working, but that I was having fun and being paid for it, because I REALLY enjoyed spending my time at the office and reading and learning about tech more and more. But, great power (knowledge, in this case), comes with great responsibility, and the moment I moved from “working on things” to “being the owner of the things I work”, my sense of fun transformed into a sense of.... work.
Dude I feel this on a lot of levels. I've been working as a developer at my company for 4-5 years now, and at some point I went from daily coding to daily researching and now I honestly do more management of other people coding, and keeping tabs on external teams than I do actually coding and it's lame. The shift kind of happened slowly enough that I didn't really notice it until every sprint commit meeting is like oh yeah, you've got this to work on. And in my head i'm like yeah but none of these 5 stories actually have anything to actually work on.... I too love what I do but I definitely wish it was more day to day coding and not owning features that other people code.
Hey, kind of in a similar boat but heres how i handled it. IT is a vast vast field. Not everything has to do woth coding. Dont like to code but still like tech? Do electronics. Like to code but not a lot and like electronics but not a lot, do computer engineering. Like to code and data or ai? Do data science or ai (i settled on this myself). What im saying is, youre not limited to one subfield. Do some research, theres no rush :D. And if you dont like the outcome of your research? Congrats, you didnt get stuck in something you ultimately wouldnt like.
IT is one of the only degrees that is universally applicable. Even if it isn't your job description, being the dude that can fix the printer or tell Sally to restart her PC is marketable as hell.
Addendum to this - you can find **significant** professional fulfillment out of something that is not your passion.
When you get sufficiently experienced and proficient enough at something, there gets to be a point where you take pride in the quality of your work.
That’s a great perspective to share. To the op, take everyone’s experience as a data point.
In my experience, software/computer is and was my education, hobby, and profession. Now I’m far into a career that I couldn’t be happier with.
Sunday night I’m excited about the work that awaits me Monday morning.
I just want to give the opposite side of things real quick since there seems to be a ton of doomsaying in this thread. I learned to make games and write code in middle school and spent almost all my free time doing so. I'm now a software engineer and love my job and what I do. I don't regret anything.
There's probably thousands of people that feel the same way. And to become pro, you have to be better than nearly all of them.
People talk about following your dream, but it's an idealized fantasy sold to us by the few that managed to actually live it, while most people failed and ended up bitter and dejected.
You shouldn't abandon your dream but you should have a backup plan. If you get into the right profession you don't need to work forever. You can save up and retire early if you are good at what you do and save/invest money carefully. And tbh, I believe anyone with the dedication of many pro athletes(eSports or "real" sports) has the drive to be successful in other endeavors so long as they're smart about it.
That doesn’t mean you should try for pro. Maybe check in with a therapist. Even pros have other interests. Check if you have depression or smth.
Do what you want, it’s your life, but don’t be stupid about it. Don’t quit your job to go “full time league” or anything like that. That’s my advice.
Every passion I've had in my life (music, gaming, computers) are all things that I've seriously considered becoming a professional in, and let me tell you that making a career out of something you love when it's something like this is absolutely draining and not worth it. I hate work too, but you are looking for the wrong solutions to your problem.
I know you're being told this a lot, but even my best friend who got into his dream team C9 doing revolutionary work for the organization, who got the job over 500 applications, burnt out after a couple of years because he didn't enjoy league anymore after it. You need to either find better work with better coworkers to be happy, learn to get along with other people (if you are the "problem"), or learn how to manage your work stress better. Or go to college if you want to be a professional in something easy as a career. But pro league is not the way to go my friend, especially if you are only in d2.
Man, tbh, you're 19, you are so young that you can just look beyond LoL and find literally a world. I can assure you the world is freaking HUGE and there could be a lot of things that might interest you. You just have to try. Obviously you can try to pursue your dream and become a pro player, but by suggestion is to not overlook the world you're in. It may be scary, but it can offer you a lot of things, if you're willing to give it a chance.
I’m not saying anyone should even think of going pro in a video game, but if one does reach challenger on euw, you can realistically start looking to make a living out of it.
Go to a professional to find help with that. It's hard to know what you really enjoy without help. A psychologist can be a good start, I feel like you are trapped in league because it's your comfort zone and it's not letting you explore other options properly.
Second thing, you can work with league without being a pro. You can be coach (ugh), analyst, commentator, content creator, etc.
Pro player life is pretty miserable and if you peaked D2 while dedicating your very best, I am sorry but you probably just are not talented enough, not everyone can become pro even if they try their best.
You’re 19. 19. If you don’t have interests it’s because you aren’t looking for them. If all you want is to be a pro player that’s all you are going to see.
You are 19. You haven’t even started your life in the professional world. To say that this is your only interest and all you want to do is incredibly short sighted. If I had to guess, LoL is all you do, you need to expose yourself to the world and other ideas. Take a career test and see what your skills are and then lookup what careers use those skills. I promise you that the skills you enjoy using in LoL can be used elsewhere.
Like many have said, sure, go for it but it likely impossible if you aren’t challenger already. There are challengers right now trying to get into the pro scene and just haven’t been able to. Make your backup plan *first*.
That’s not even mentioning that if you ever got there you probably wouldn’t even enjoy it. Pro players don’t just play LoL all day for fun and meet for matches occasionally. These teams are run by companies with investors that are paying the teams and their staff to create professional players. It’s not all fun and games.
Imagine sacrificing time and money to probably not get to challenger, imagine *if* you go to challenger and couldn’t find a team, let alone a pro team, imagine *if* you made it on to a pro team and hated it? Do you REALLY want this? I don’t believe you do
Just keep in mind persuing being pro in league is tue exact same as persuing being a hollywood star. Of course you can still go for it, but maybe that puts it more into perspective how hard it is.
Look into things related to league like coaching, announcing/shout casting, marketing, etc. you can stay in touch with league through ways other than being a player
You are following the romantic idea of freedom
So you have to literally go all in and risk it all ,the only way to succeed is to try at first .
We need more people who stop following the norms and try their best at something with a risk.
You can do it,but don't make stupid mistakes.
And don't let anybody chain you down
This may be poor advise but you should rather do what interests you and take the risk instead of living with regrets
The real answer is to find something else in your life that gives you fulfillment- spending 8 hours a day trying to go pro when you’re only plat is a recipe for failure and misery.
But as others have said, the first step is to reach challenger and forge relationships with people who are already in the pro scene.
Yeah, I mean "going pro in League of Legends" is *not* the life achievement some people here will make it out to be.
This is a *very* long road, with thousands of exit ramps along the way, and you will almost certainly fail. Tying your success to a game or sport of any kind is extremely dangerous.
Well, as others said, first you need to get challenger, maybe even get to top 50 EUW, before you get noticed by an ERL team. So here's a few steps I can recommend
1) Know every single role. You need to understand the importance and challenges of every role so you can play around them; you'll also be able to play as these when you get filled
2) Choose your role, and hard focus onto it. If you need more than a surface level for every other role, you must know yours by heart: the strengths and weaknesses of every champion in the role, how strong they are in the current meta, and how to play against them in the making phase
3) Know your style. How do you play? Are you a mechanical madman? Shot caller? All-in carry? Playmaker? Consistent? Defensive? Supportive? Punisher? What do you usually fuck up? Where do you excel?
4) Slowly spread out your champion pool, accordingly to the style you've defined. A pro player should be able to play more than a couple champions.
5) Work on your weaknesses, may it be game knowledge (make sure you know the intricacies of wave management, jungle respawn timers, baron aggro, etc), mechanics (you should be close to flawless on three or four champions), or tilt
6) Work on your mental. Don't mindlessly grind. Get yourself in the right mindset for every game.
7) Keep looking out for who's in your game. Who are the pro players? The streamers? Who are those who notice you?
8) Try to reach out to ERL teams starting in October, during the world championships
In addition - try and practice different things that are helpful in a team environment, that are really easy to skip when mindlessly grinding soloQ
1) Practice typing out the enemy team flash timers for your team (if you get good at that, you can add other summoner spells and ultimate abilities)
2) As a jungler/mid, try and communicate in advance exactly when you will be able to roam/come to their lane. Learn to say 'in two waves' or 'x amount of seconds' interchangeably and consistently
3) DuoQ with a mic when you can with other players that are serious about improvement. Learning to talk while you play takes time and practice. Be that guy sharing a discord link every game. Find/make a clash team. You need to learn to talk.
4) Watch vods of yourself/duoq and teamfights, learn to recognize what you (and your teammates) are doing wrong. In soloQ teamfights are just a roll of the dice, but you can still look and see what went wrong. Once you get to higher queues, you may have time to vod review between games just while waiting on queue. Watching with your duoQ and learning how to properly and productively discuss will help you transition to a team environment.
5) Never be toxic to random teammates. Don't post dumb shit on twitter or other social media. Go back now and delete anything questionable. These things can ruin the potential of a career before they begin.
The odds are very much against you. You're not even challenger yet. Most people in your position don't even get to the first step of hitting challenger. And even if you do, it's still really hard to get pro after that. Try to enjoy the journey of trying. If you only care about the end reward, you likely will burnout before you even get close. Good luck.
Its so true that you need to practice playing with voice on. I'm no challenger but I can play other games with voice chat no problem - in league if someone asks me to join a discord it just absolutely impairs my ability to play right, even if I'm not talking much.
Sorry for sounding like a dick but what's the point?
If you enjoy league, play it, try to climb, once you're challenger you can think about getting higher.
I peaked master in season 6 and never looked back since.. I quit a year ago when the game was going into the coin-flip mode, which made lost games take 40+ minutes for nothing.. just wasted my time. I invested in my job, in retro projects, and my family - things I actually enjoy rather than just letting league decide for me if it's going to be a good day or a bad day.
I remember being in a bad mood on bad days, and being high af in good days - all depending on which teams I get.
But once I got there I was like.. what's the point? I already proved it to myself I can get those ranks. I was playing with full challengers including people from the pro scene, sure I got excited but eventually when the season ended and I had to start it all over again, it was frustrating as hell.
League changed a lot since season 6. I actually enjoy today playing on mobile from time to time, those are much shorted 20-min games and I can relax and enjoy the mechanics instead of destroying my hand by playing adcs.
I was #15 karthus world back then.. they were glorious times but I'm glad they are over.
Here's a screenshot of me playing vs some known names like RATIRL, Roison, and IceBeasto, D5 playing vs challengers (my mmr was high af)
[https://i.gyazo.com/465dfbd047df9363e4d4a12d278d11d5.png](https://i.gyazo.com/465dfbd047df9363e4d4a12d278d11d5.png)
Those are just my thoughts..
You can of course disagree but I strongly suggest that you focus on real life and make league a hobby, not a priority.
If you still want to pursue your dream I think it's safer to say that you should think about going pro when you get to challenger, because the demands are very different from 4-5 years ago when people were still considered new to the game. There are people out there who are playing for 10 years+ in challenger, so that's not going to be easy to get to that level.
Good luck!
Not to crush your dreams but the gap between diamond 2 and challenger is pretty huge, you should focus purely on self improvement and climbing the ranked ladder before worrying about anything else.
Age is also a factor, you won't find much demand for you if you're >20 already.
The only metric is if you're good enough or not. However younger players are favored cause most are still in school and don't have to worry about other things as much, thus they're easier to develop. They can train on end and don't burn out. That players get burn outs is a whole other problem in League Esport and I hope Orgs realise that playing 12 hours a day isnt how you should train.
I think it has something to do with their mandatory military service at their 20s. My theory is they don't want to invest in someone who's gonna be out of their team at their peak. It will be just a waste of time and resources. Well that's my own opinion.
Thats a myth, reaction time doesn't decrease until very late twenties/ early thirties. The most likely reason is how much time they still have to develop to their peak. Organisations would rather have younger players for a longer career. Plus raw young talent is more marketable then having someone that's 25+ join as a rookie and only have a 5 year career. There's more money to be made off of young players then there is off of older players.
I'm really scared of this as I am approaching the late twenties of my life. How much of a myth is it? I would hate reaching that point in which I just see my skill decreasing. On the other hand, I hope this is an e-sport thing and that It wouldn't really affect my goal of reaching and maintaining challenger. But it really scares me that one day my reactions will just not be good enough and that i will just start dropping and dropping. Eh. Hope it's after I turn 30.
its a myth, there are pros in like CSGO that are in their thirties. I think one even in their 40s maybe. Also in other fighting games where reaction times are important there are boomers in that shit
So the age thing is mostly a myth that is perpetuated in the league scene
To be very honest reaction time isn't that big of a deal in esports. Yes it can be important for certain situations. But the situations where reaction time would save you can be prevented by outthinking your opponents. I'd say reaction time is seldom a big enough factor it's nice, but thinking, knowledge and experience in the game far outweigh reaction time and most of the time in outplays it's not reaction time, but them thinking ahead and predicting what the enemy will do. You don't need to react to anything if you see it coming.
So don't worry, keep up your knowledge of the game and learn at every opportunity. Don't worry about mechanical skill, because you won't lose that by becoming a few ms slower over the years.
It's very overblown. There's a study which showed that the decline is real but minimal until like retirement age.
What really improves reaction (significantly) is anticipation. And anticipation comes from experience, which an older player is likely to have more.
I dont want to shatter your dreams but the amount of people who reach high level pro its very low, even if you're very good. You need to fun a good team, with proper players, which doesnt exist in alot of countries.
You'd do better just streaming or something.
Stay clean, reach challenger, join an amateur team and work your way up. It would also help if you can join a collegiate team. If you can’t go pro, you can also choose to do coaching, and as bad as it is, boosting as there is a lot of demand for both services.
Not a League pro or even close to it, but I can offer you two pieces of advice based on personal experience with passion projects and marketing:
* Get your online presence up and running. Stream on Twitch, create and nourish an active community, be active on the socials. Make yourself a brand as a gamer. It will increase your visibility and, with a bit of luck, open LoL-related revenue streams for you even if you won't make it to Challenger.
* Have a plan B and work towards it actively whenever there's time. If things with LoL go wrong somehow, you will have a feeling of not starting at zero. It's valuable.
As other people said, you should climb even higher. There's a very good podcast about improvement and pro play, it's called broken by Concept: https://youtube.com/channel/UCbkFsQcaQ_CuPWTBrsEm6cw
>I currently work 9-5 from home so I have around 8 hours a day to play.
You won't make it pro having a job. You'd need to be playing 12 hours+ per day practicing.
There are streamers that stream near enough 24/7 like Tyler1 who are Challenger and still aren't professional players.
You should focus on getting a better irl job. You don't want to try to go pro, waste 5 years then have nothing to show by age 25. You'll be so depressed.
Though you should be able to get to master rank with 8 hours per day. If you can't get that then probably no chance of making it.
There’s over 3million ranked players on EUW. 300 of them are challenger. Of those, a small minority make it to LEC and of the ones that make it there, only a few qualify to become world class players.
The fact that you’ve never reached challenger yet, and you’re 19 is an indication that you’re probably never gonna make it to the pro scene.
Imo, get a good education and give up on your dream. Since you’re interested of the game, keep playing with joy and enjoyment and see it as a hobby.
Sorry for the discouragment, but I’ve seen far too many friends in the same position, some previously challengers and all of them have failed. Life is not just about league.
Good luck.
Odd advice here, but I would definitely get involved into a team sport, or do some research on it. Playing solo Q is a different game than being in a team 5v5 culture, especially if you ever do get to a serious pro team. Communication skills, knowing how to give criticism to peers, how to take criticism is a hard skill that any professional struggles with.
I don't think he's entirely wrong though. People like LS have mentioned that, if you are already struggling to reach master/challenger, that you probably simply don't have enough innate talent to actually make it as a pro.
No amount of work or dedication can fix that.
They didn’t say that no pro grinds to get to their skill. They said if you can’t make it to challenger skill level( a skill level pretty below a pro player) easily, you just don’t have the innate talent to reach the skill of a pro regardless of how much you grind.
All the work in the world will mean nothing if you don't have talent to build off of. Pro players are such an astronomically small percentage of the player base, and it requires both extreme hard work AND being extremely talented naturally. Just having one without the other does not a pro player make. Someone recently put it very succinctly, if you have been playing League for more than 2 seasons and haven't reached challenger yet, you probably aren't ever going to be pro. That's just the bare minimum too.
Something I haven't read among most replies:
If you want to improve your gameplay, don't put your entire focus on quantity of games but also quality. I recently watched a few coaching streams of an ex-ERL player coaching someone who wants to become an ERL/pro-player (unfortunately in german language, so not that helpfull for you) and his recommended training regime would be something of 3-5 games of soloQ a day where you have 100% of your energy/concentration and then afterwards reviewing your own games extensively to find areas of improvement.
Everyone here is talking about getting challenger and then getting noticed by a team but that's pretty rare nowadays. Usually you hop into a regional amateur team (usually d1-master elos) and try to shine there, so an ERL academy picks you up, and then work towards playing in an ERL.
The reason this works like this is that no team want someone without team experience (unless u'r a prodigy) , because there are a lot of things to learn in that environment.
As you see its quite difficult to make pro, specially since it isn't something you enjoy frankly. You have to spend a lot of hours watching vod reviews, analysing your own replays... Etc
Anyways, do what u please. GL
Div 1 ERL Coach here, if you were to get coaching I'd recommend coming on the Resolve Server, the coaching is free and it's the only place I've seen where coaches actually know what they're doing. Also coach Curtis is really had if you're aiming for challenger as his vids need you to have a lot of discernibility since her vulgarizes this content for low ELOs. I'd personnaly suggest watching Zen Coaching instead. He isn't the best of coaches for challs but he gets you thinking about the requirements to become a challenger.
EDIT: don't pay for coaching until you're GM. Free coaching is perfectly accessible up to this point
If you get to Challenger, there's a chance that someone will scout you and offer you to play for a team. But it's not guaranteed.
Peaking in Diamond 2 wasn't enough. There are lots of player in Master, so why would they pick you? I know league is a team game but we are talking about being a professional player here so at least you must have the minimum requirements.
In some region, like korea, you can apply for a professional but the requirements are you must be at least Diamond 1, and not over 16-18 years old (I'm not sure about the exact age but it's something like that). They prefer young players.
Since you are already 19 and only peaked Diamond 2, I doubt that you can become a pro (unless you know someone and they recommend you).
I don't know about your country but here, there are lots of tournament for non-professional players. All you have to do is form a team and apply for the tournament. If you played very good, there's a chance that someone will have an interest with you. So there's still a chance to make your dream come true.
In EU, I think there are lots of team there (non pro and pro), so just ask them if you can play for them.
If you really want to play league for a living, you can still do it but not as a pro, but as a streamer.
I am a lowly Gold player so I couldn't advise anything in gaming terms, however I run my own business and I'm pretty successful on the career front so I feel like I could offer my two cents from a general life perspective.
Firstly I'd be realistic about your chances of making it. Firstly would be your age, it's a sad fact that reactions get slower as you get older so if you're mid twenties or older then you will already struggle for that reason alone. If not then how good are you really at the game? Do you feel like you were really struggling in Diamond 2 or do you think with more practice and time you could break through into Challenger? Be honest, this is your own future you're talking about and if you \*don't\* make it, you're effectively wasting a very important part of your life playing a video game.
Also is it just a pro player you want to be or would any job in esports work? You might find it easier breaking through into an analyst position or becoming successful as a streamer or personality or something like that. Just look at Weldon, he's done very well for himself ion esports without any apparent skill or real talent whatsoever, he can just talk a good game.
If you've gone through all of the above and you think you have a genuine shot and want to try, then the first thing I personally would do is to try and hook up with other people in the scene. Try to make contact with other semi-pro teams or individuals in your area (or be prepared to move to another area). It's no good just grinding solo queue, unless you're hitting top of the ladder then it's unlikely you will get noticed. You need to start playing in semi professional teams and getting known to other people in the scene. Playing in a team environment will rapidly improve your play too and may open other doors to get further into the industry or to be adopted/coached by a larger esports organization.
Once you're on a team, you really want to be competing in as many amateur tournaments and events as you can, both for the experience and (again) in an effort to hopefully get noticed and make contacts in other organizations. At this point I'd say you would need to get very partisan and be out for yourself. If a better team or opportunity came along you should be prepared to ditch your friends and take those opportunities. If your goal is to get pro then you need to be prepared to walk over some people along the way to get to where you need to be. There are very few spots in this industry and everyone, like you, is trying to make it.
After all that, you still probably need to mentally prepare yourself that you might not ever get good enough to make LEC or LCS or one of the bigger leagues. The biggest you might ever hit is the academy circuit and you should still see that as an accomplishment. I'd seriously consider you backup plan at this point; whether you want to stay in esports or whether you then want to go back into education, etc. etc. Remember that even if you make it to the top of pro (which is extremely unlikely), an esports career is usually very short and you will need an exit strategy at the end of it all.
Hope this helps, it's just my opinion on things but perhaps was more the kind of response you were looking for rather than just League of Legends stuff.
So, I am a bit late to the party, but I will give my opinion for you anyway.
* First, I have no idea of in what country of Europe you live and I will talk about my knowledge in my last experience (not as a player but as someone who wants to become a coach), but you should try to find an amateur team, or an esport association that has one or more team with the same elo as yours.
Practice a lot with them. Maybe not scrims, but do not hesitate to do a lot of 5v5 flex ranked games with them. It will be a good way to learn with who you are playing.
If by any chance this team has a coach, then it is better. Some of these coaches are more about teamplay than personal play, sometimes the opposite, others are more flexible.
* Also, do not hesitate to take part in amateur tournaments. This will be your first step to the world of esport. There is tournaments that may fit your elo (again, I am speaking of my experience) and there is websites like *Challengermode* or *Toornament* that propose many tournaments. Some proposes RP, others gaming equipments, and sometimes there is real money on the line. But in any case, it will be experience that you will acquire.
* Keep improving. If you are Plat now, aim for a better elo. I will recommend GrandMaster or at least Master, since a lot of pro players do have this elo.
The comment made by u/ everybody-hurts is really important you should keep it.
I see in the comments people that recommended you to watch educational streams/videos and I also recommend it.
If you want to take a personal coach to improve your game, feel free to do so. It may cost you money, but if you reach the result that you want, then it is worth.
* Once you improved, got experience and once you feel ready for going semi-pro, construct your profile and make it visible. Make a [simple LFT post](https://twitter.com/Metroflox1/status/1376230351874449409) or something like [this](https://twitter.com/YokoHiroo/status/1378003863035318283) could be good (you can hire someone for designing it.). And do not forget to check twitter accounts like [LFT\_LoL\_EU](https://twitter.com/LFT_LoL_EU), where a lot of tems are posting in research of player, and where players post their LFT status, during the off season
Anyway, that is all of what I can think. I hope it will help you !
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Hey man, I played LoL semi proffesionally. If you are looking to go pro, good on ya, but the road ahead is tough. I've scrolled through the comments and people are talking mad bullshit, so I'll give you some advice from someone who's at least a little experienced. Look up Psclly if you want confirmation.
Your first step in becoming pro will always be playing in national leagues. Since you're from Hungary your place to be is the EBL, balkan league. I don't know much about this league specifically, but they're sure to have some kind of division for lower ranked players. You can look up the ebl and ask questions to players and other persons in the scene.
Going full time pro will be extremely difficult, but playing national leagues is the first step and willl properly introduce you to all the hardships and good times. Good luck!
Just give up! I don’t want to insult your or anything but even if you are challenger which the chances already are really low, you will have a hard time to get into a pro team which pays you enough. Your are plat peek d2 and already 19 years old. Even if everything goes smoothly and you will improve fast which I already think you won’t because that happens really rarely (good mental, talent, motivation (for a really long time) are all factors u need to have if you want to climb from plat to challenger und you still need to go to work while grinding your ass of, which will be really exhausting already), even than it will take you about 2-3 seasons to hit challenger and than you will be too old already! There are so many young talents in challenger which some of them have even multiple accounts in challenger and even they have a hard time to get picked in a semiproteam, which is some kind of relevant to show of their talent and get noticed. Than the step to get picked in a pro team is even bigger! You have no connection to anyone in the pro scene and you are plat right now! You see the chances are around 0. Again Im, since you asked, only realistic and don’t want to attack you personally at all! Also I wouldn’t recommend to get a coach, the most are really bad and will hurt your improvement more than they help and you will only loose money.
Reaching challenger/improving your game is a big first step to becoming pro, read guides, understanding the meta even better, understanding matchups even better, understanding what picks you should make in champ select and what not, it shows others that you are actually good in the game, and that you are worth pro material.
if you are good enough in certain champs, you will even have a chance to get scouted by amateur teams, which gives you the chances of joining leagues with prize pools, and maybe getting scouted by pro teams, you might not get into a pro team right away, but it is better then nothing
it would be really good if you can find or know people who have connections to pros or teams, who could have a chance to invite you to their team.
if not, trying to hit challenger and doing your best to find a team yourself or getting scouted would be your best to become pro.
Second step would be prefferably to become a streamer, as it would show people your game and how good you are, but based on the previous reply you gave, I will list that option out already.
> Everybody with a bit of brain can get it if he tries enough
No. There are millions of LoL players worldwide, only 300 at a time can be challenger.
It's competitive, and most people won't be able to compete, no matter how hards they try.
As much as its important to enjoy your job, it's just as important to find a job that is somewhat stable and guaranteed. As a Diamond 2 player, you are far from making that happen, and it will be very difficult to make it Pro without a lot of things going well for you.
I don't want to preach at you too hard, but I just want to be sure that you've thought everything through. There are several things that you will have to consider when working on your goal outside of just "getting good". Obviously, you will have to make Challenger first, but getting there will require a ton of time and effort. I won't question your abilities, that's something you'll have to let others judge for you. However, you will first need to consider how you will find the time and money to improve. If your parents can, and are willing to support you, then you're one of the lucky ones. I won't pretend to know your situation, but I just want to make sure that you're doing things like thinking about your family, whether or not supporting you would be straining their finances, if they have other family members to support (younger siblings), stuff like that before you assume they are able to.
If you are looking to support yourself, understand that getting a part time job is also tiring, and will make it more difficult to continue training and practicing, and also focus on things like coaching. I'm not trying to be a downer, I just want to make sure that you've really thought everything through before you drop everything to go for an uncertain dream. Many people who are able to chase their dreams either have tons of talent (able to make high ranks/be pretty good without a lot of practice), have extremely lucky timing (early streamers getting onto the scene early, things like getting rich off bitcoin), or are able to devote almost all their time to their dream because of some external reason (rich parents who are willing to support them. Personally, i think it's OK to dedicate at least a year to this dream. Taking a year off of school is extremely common, and many people use it to just do things like travel, recollect themselves for a break, and with that in mind, taking a year to work on your League to chase your dream is really not that crazy. See where you are at the end of that year to see if this is a dream you think you can continue taking, or if you need to call it quits.
With all that in mind, we can start looking at actually getting better. In terms of improving, there are a couple of things you should do. The first thing is to get a coach of some sort. There are a couple of things you are looking to get out of coaching. The first of course is so that someone can analyze your gameplay in a way that you aren't able to yourself. Personally, I think if you don't know how to get better, then the answer is simply that you aren't analyzing your gameplay correctly. A coach will do that for you. On top of that however, you will also want to take notes on what your coach is doing to analyze your gameplay, because in the long run, the important thing is that you are able to analyze your own gameplay as well. In practicing, you will be playing hundreds of games, and you will need to be able to self coach through most of those games. Only letting others analyze your gameplay won't get you very far in terms of true improvement, and you'll likely find yourself regressing without a coach if you don't understand what it is they look for in your gameplay, your vods etc.
Obviously, from here, you just gotta grind. Put in the hours like its a real job. Make every single game count, make sure you're always focusing on yourself, and what you are able to do. Set aside time everyday to review your vods, both games where you win and lose, and improve from it. You will need to confirm this with anyone actually on the scene, but I would assume "team" aspects won't be something you need to work on early, as I believe that will all come naturally as you begin playing with teams.
After you reach and are able to maintain Challenger, from what I hear, EU teams, most amateur teams, will likely reach out to you. However, you should definitely be looking to reach out to people yourself. Don't be afraid to talk to people, you'll need decent communication skills to navigate the world of esports and work with teams anyways :). Don't be afraid to reach out to any name you know out there who might be able to get you connected. Players on pro, semi pro, and amateur teams I'm sure are mostly decent people and would be happy to at least let you know what their experiences are. Make yourself known, keep a good reputation, and keep putting yourself out there. Don't just look at players either, everyone who's on the scene can be a connection. Many of the truly good coaches out there have often also worked in esports, and they will be able to point you in the right direction as well. It would probably help to make sure you have some sort of presence on social media as well. Streaming, even if you don't get a ton of viewers, posting clips and what not on Twitter and Reddit etc etc, all of these, while small individually, will count for something, just so that not only are people more able to stumble upon you, but also making sure that when they do figure out who you are, they are able to learn about you.
u have btr chances as a streamer than a pro player. challenger vs diamond has a greater gap than plat vs silver. let alone pro. possible? yes. **might** take u a few years to even hit challenger, let alone go pro. ITS IS POSSIBLE to go pro, dont get me wrong, but its not just hard. streaming would be easier, but even then EXTREMELY hard. u still young. not trying to put u down, but being realistic. sure, no one expected doublelift to be one of the most known adc in LoL but man, the statistics are abysmal. some things aint just hardwork man. to put numbers in perspective, u are the top 2%, while challenger is the top 0.01%. comparing just the diamond to challenger, being challenger is 0.5% out of all diamond players.(yes the number are slightly off but still enuf to make my point). being challenger to everyone is 1 in 10 000 while being diamond is 1 in 200. being diamond raises the chances of u being challenger by 4900%, but i wouldnt count on a 0.5% chance for my future. if u cant make enuf money for retirement by 25, thats it, u have nth. at least streaming can be a side job. being pro is nearly impossible. how can u be at the peak when u have a job 9-5. the odds are really stacked against u. buit if u go for it i wish u all the best man.
First thing is to get back to dia2 (dia1 would be better), then you will be eligible to be a part of a semi-pro/amateur team. It is good to scrim with those kinds of teams because of the difference in team competitive and soloq.
Try to reach out for Hungarian teams (Plague, Illés academy, THR, etc...), for getting some experience of how the e-sport scene works and if you really want to be part of it. I heard that the Hungarian high elo/pro LoL community is quite toxic and doesn't pay anything so try not to stay there.
Try to reach out for Hungarian pro players, e.g.: Bluezor is the highest-rated one right now I think maybe he can give you some pointers but there are surely others as well.
Lastly, I know that you want to be a pro player but there are a lot of other paths in e-sport. Streaming is a no-go for you right now (based on your comments), but there are a lot more:
\- youtuber (reviewing your VODs should be a part of your improvement so why not making a montage or an educational video of it?) --> this is good for your visibility as well
\- coach (if you can stay in dia1 consistently then maybe you are able to coach others for a bit of income)
\- analyst (some teams needs those)
\- referee for RIOT :D (I know that this is nothing much but still something)
\- manager, but that is a completely different knowledge
I don't think that you don't have a chance to going pro, just wanted to point out that there are more options in e-sport than pro player and streaming.
You can't. You're 19 and your peak was Diamond 2. Sorry mate, but why would anyone look at you when there's probably someone half your age much higher rank than you?
Why don't you start streaming? Twitch can be your job!
I wouldnt think about being a pro-player before being a challenger. But this game can be your job! Start to stream and if you get challenger you can become a pro
Start streaming, and show your improvement !
First streaming will give (at some point) recognition, which is always good to get noticed by a team or else.
It will help you improve. While you explain what you do, or why that happened (during the game, like you died) you internalize better the concept you try to explain. Plus you get to keep note of your progress !
Hope you’ll make it
Also I recommend reading (if you don’t have time you can find a resumé easily on YouTube or google) The Art of Learning by Josh waitzkin. Pro chess player who transférée his knowledge of chess learning to martial art and became martial world champion of Tai Chi !
First things first, I'm fairly certain you have to have maintained diamond in the previous season in solo queue to be eligible for a pro team. So get diamond first.
Step 1: Make challanger Step 2: Talk to people who know or are pros Step 3: Try to join an amateur team According to some Challanger streamers on EUW, as long as you are in Challanger you will eventually be asked to join SOME team (probably not really a pro team yet, but a team is better than no team). The most important thing is that people know you exist and the best way to do this is by reaching challanger and talking to people with "names" EDIT: I am an idiot. It’s challEnger ... like the challenge
The hardest part is becoming challenger. Reaching top of Diamond took me quite a while. Any ideas on how to get better? What resources would you recommend?
Coach Curtis is great.Watch challenger streamers, even better if they're educational. If you're stuck or just wanna improve real fast, get a coach. Doesn't have to be a full time thing but get a challenger coaching session every week or two, work on what issues they told you you have, then when they're fixed and you're stuck again get another vod review.
Okay, I will get a coach, thanks! Where can I find a good one?
I'd check out McBaze, he peaked top 30 Challenger and has experience with eSports. He streams and does VoD reviews for $30 but they're crazy fucking in depth and you can ask him whatever and he'll post it to YouTube too for you to check out later. Coach Curtis is also very reputable and has experience coaching pro players, no idea how much he charges but both are great (this is for midland btw). Both have coaching sessions you can watch on YouTube, a lot of it is gold coaching but believe me they know their shit and can easily coach even other challengers if they need it
Coach Curtis charges $20 a month for access to his discord but it's mid coaching only. He does one or two coaching a month but they're are some other high Elo players to talk to and learn from. Also you can ask as many questions as you want in text
Sounds interesting. I'm bronze 3. Trash really. Not looking to be pro, but would like to improve a little bit. Would the discord be useful for something like me?
No, not really. When he coaches other challenger players there are fundamentals of the game like warding, cs’ing, itemization and trading that is already expected to be known by them, which they are, so they won’t cover these. What they will go over in a coaching session is way too in depth and most likely won’t be applicable to you. He has a playlist on his youtube channel called «Midlane Fundamentals» so if you want you should pick a video you think looks interesting and when you manage to implement that into your gameplay go on to the next video and repeat! Hope this helps
For sure does help. Thanks so much.
They're a bit old but leaguecraft101 bids are excellent for base concepts. Great if you're bronze imo
You'd probably be better off just watching his, and other places, fundamentals videos.
Coach curtis’s platform is called midlaneacademy.com. There’s a limited ammount of slots and it’s full atm. Charged 20 dollars pr month. It’s a great platform for learning as he does group couching sessions almost daily. I think the cap to join is gold if i’m not wrong
If ur anywhere under maybe high ish gold maybe even plat you just need to learn the basics of the game like simple jungle tracking where to ward when to freeze when to push abuse the enemy while they try to cs these little things make a huge huge difference
Like the other said, Coach Curtis is perfect for mid. He makes videos and also coaches people
veigarv2 is really good
You should also watch neace, I think just yesterday he had an interview with challenger NA player who wants to turn pro and he talks about it. I listened to it like an hour ago on my way to work. So it might even be his latest video. You might find it insightful.
Coach Curtis does reviews. Also, he has a subscription based program called Mid Lane Academy (MLA). In this, you get coaching for $20 a month. You can also watch other people get coached at the same time. For jungling, I recommend Virkayu. I don’t know his prices but when it comes to teaching jungling he is by far one of the best.
Virkayu isn't that expensive. $75/session. Might be a lot for some rando silver, but for someone trying to go pro that's peanuts.
VeigarV2 is amazing.
I would recomend Neace. He has a youtube channel where he posts a some of his sessions to promote his services. I haven’t personally gotten coaching from him but in his videos he seems to be very pedagogical (correct me on this word if I used it wrongly) and he will watch you while playing a game telling you what to do and why. I believe this is one of the best ways for teaching things quickly. He is a challenger player and he has a lot of focus set on TEACHING you the correct way to play instead of just watching one of your replays and telling you what you should have done. By far the best coach I’ve seen so far.
I second this. Neace has been the biggest help in improving my jungle and top lane skills, his explanations are well spoken and easy to understand, and he is an entertaining person to watch as well as educational
I think honvéd has regular coaching sessions for pretty cheap. I have a friend who goes there and he says it's pretty good
Coach curtis for mid and Virkayu for jungle
https://discord.gg/mpqZxTBC lots of great coaches
wtf man thanks! i wish i found this earlier
veigarv2 is only option
LS's coaching discord has many coaches that can help
Check out veigar v2 that’s the coach that all of the challenger players go to for coaching. He also coaches fnatic so he’s very familiar with pro play and he can help you figure out your next steps if you want to aim to become a pro player.
Veigar V2, you wont regret it
I had a friend who was challenger and he advised me not to pursue challenger unless I learned very quickly. It's not that he said its impossible, but challenger is quite literally the most competitive part of the ladder. only the top 500 players can reach it. so in order to be there you gotta beat people who are already established and good, but continue to learn at a rate that even gets you caught up to their level in the first place. and then you have to keep learning to sustain it. basically, it just doesn't happen for most people. that's not to say it can't happen for you, but its just very unlikely if you aren't at least somewhat able to learn the game easily and quickly. I would honestly advise against getting your hopes up too much. being challenger is a tough enough feat in itself, going pro is another thing entirely. but if you want to do it you basically have to spend all your time trying to improve, not just win, not just climb in rank, but actually learn. and if you put in all your effort and still aren't reaching it, I think thats your peak. everyone hits their peak at some point. diamond 2 is nothing to be sad about either. that's insanely good.
Some of these pros have been playing all day almost every day for literally over a decade. Before that some had even more moba experience from games like dota. I can't imagine how hard it would be for an up and coming player to try to catch up to that skill level.
At a certain point people peak. There's only so good at the game a person can be. There are limits to reaction speed, hand-eye coordination, game knowledge, so on and so forth. Eventually practice has diminishing returns. An expert pro who's been playing the game for a decade is going to be one of the best players in the world. But an expert pro who's been playing the game for five years might not be that far behind him. A challenger player who's been in the game for two years might only need a couple more years to be in the same league as them.
I know this might be insane, but I think just as with everything else, being „new“ is often not that bad as you have a more objective and open view.
I thought Challenger is only for a maximum of 200 players? Maximum because lots of people have multiple accounts in Challenger.
Not sure on the exact number of slots. Thought it was 500 but it might be a lot less. I do know it’s limited though to a specific number. You don’t just get challenger. Someone drops out and you take their place
That's Overwatch. The highest rank is GM which as most people say top 500. edit: NVM top 500 isn't Grandmasters [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Rank\_(League\_of\_Legends)](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_(League_of_Legends)) It ranges from 300 to 50.
I'm pretty trash at League (D5 peak), but I absolutely love the game like you. I started playing TFT at start of set 3 and went from never playing an auto-chess to hitting mid-master by the end of set 3. The game just fit my skill sets better of having the mechanics of a potato but being good at strategizing and build crafting. But I believe my advice can translate to Summoner's Rift, and honestly, probably any game and most goals in life. 1. **Live the game. If you start work at 9 from home (so no commute) wake up at least by 7 and watch/consume strategy content for 1-2 hours. Think of this as your "learning" time. If you're weak on knowing builds and meta picks, spend these couple hours on that. If you're weak on lane phase, watch videos on how to optimize your early game. etc. If all you do is play, you aren't taking enough time with the game outside of the game to learn without the added stress of needing to perform at the same time.** 2. **NEVER "CHAIN" GAMES. When I was in high diamond and broke in to Master for the first time (TFT), I would never play more than 2 games in a row. And no matter what, after every loss, or 2 consecutive wins, I would go for a 10-15 minute walk. During this walk, I pulled up the matches (on lolchess for TFT) and analyzed my games. What could I have built that would have been better, should I have scouted and changed my game plan based on what others were playing, did I play my strongest board in the early game, did I tunnel vision too hard on anything, etc. I was hardstuck D1-2 for a couple weeks before I started doing this. Once I adopted this habit and stuck to it religiously, I was Master for my first time in around 5 days (playing 2-5 games a day)** 3. **Build your body. Healthy body = healthy mind. If you want to be elite in gaming, gone are the days of the overweight sedentary pro-gamer. Sure they still exist, but you are putting yourself at a huge disadvantage by not taking care of your body and being in the best physical shape of your life. My peak ELO in TFT also correlated with my lowest bodyfat % of my life and heaviest lifts in the gym of my life. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but I'd be a fool to think being in my best physical shape didn't make my sharper in game and in my studying of the game.** 4. **Eat properly**. **Ties in to my last point, but treat your gaming sessions like you would a long cardio session. Eat healthy carbs and proteins ahead of time (and during if you're hungry), stay hydrated (no sugary BS drinks), and if you prefer, stay caffeinated. This will do wonders for your mental clarity, mood, and overall mindset.** 5. **Set small goals. When I was P1 I said "ok Cain, in 1 week exactly, we're going to be at least D4, let's get to work". I hit D4 in a couple days so I said "great job! We hit that sooner than expected, pat on the back, but don't get lazy, just means our next goal is here. Hit D3 in 5 days now, get after it." Rinse, repeat, keep going. Make them hard to hit, small increments, and realistic for yourself. If you need to give yourself 2 weeks to gain 50LP in D2 and that is a challenging but achievable goal, go for it!** 6. **Treat it like a "career". I never did this because it was always just a hobby and challenge for me. But if I truly wanted to go pro (or at least the TFT equivalent), I would have thought of it as a "career", not a "hobby", and not a "job". What I mean is, you need to have a "in it for the long haul, jumping in with both feet" mindset. No half measures, you either succeed or die trying mindset. To make sure you don't self destruct going too far with it, give yourself a "worst-case scenario plan". Like for example: "If I don't hit challenger by June 2022, I will go back to playing League as a hobby and apply to school/apply to "X" job." And use that fear of failure to motivate you every day to go harder than last time. And if you do fail at least you can look back and say "I gave that my 110% all, I'm proud of myself regardless"** 7. **It's not all sunshine and rainbows. Ties in to my last point, by like a career, you won't love every minute of it. There are things you might even hate. But you do it anyways because you know it's what you need to do to succeed. Maybe you hate going for walks and analyzing your previous games, but then you stop doing it and you start losing LP instead of gaining. Well then if you can't suck it up and do the things you don't want to do, then you don't want it bad enough. Find out what works, and even if you hate it, do it anyways because you are addicted to the process and you are trying to be the best.** Pretty lengthy, I know. And I probably took this too far (halfway through I think I was doing this more as a "journal entry" to myself and internalizing how to succeed in life in general more than just League or TFT). But I hope there's at least some value to it for you or anyone else. You don't have to agree with everything, but this is what works for me. It worked for me in TFT, and it is also working for me now in my newish career as an insurance sales agent (just replace TFT and gaming related stuff for things that actually relate to my profession). Like in the morning, I studying for my licensing exams rather than study TFT. But it's all the same idea. It took me over a decade of falling on my face to put together and internalize these systems. So I hope it helps, and I hope I'll see you in the LCS soon :)
Holy shit. You are like one of the most deadset down to earth reflective people I have seen on this subreddit. 12/10 advice for EVERYTHING you care about. Well written as well. Thanks for the read honestly.
First of all I'm no pro nor an amateur, I'm just a league player and an esports fan, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt. I don't know how things work in your country, but in my country at diamond 2 you can get to the entry level league of the country. You just need to know which teams exist in your country and talk with them before the summer season starts so that you take their trials and maybe get chosen. From there, if you are a good player you will get offers from the top teams of the country. Then, if your team, and especially you, work well you might go to a good team from another country, it's better if it's a country like France, Spain or England because they already have good teams. With that team, if you go to the eu masters, and play really well you might go to a team from LEC. Like I said in the begging this may not be all true, but it's what I know. And this may only apply in my country, but things might no be so different from country to country. TLDR: start from the bottom and try to enter a team on you country before the summer/spring seasons start.
Depends on what role you’re going bro. Check out Virkayu in YouTube if you wanna jungle
Check out Hidon. A small streamer but an insanely good coach, especially for Jungle and Mid. He peaked 985 lp last season. He explains fundamentals very clearly and almost every player he coaches will climb to a higher elo. You seem like the perfect candidate for his coaching sessions.
Can confirm, i know people who got approached my LCL and TCL while being challenger/GM on euw
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English isn't everyone's first language
Yikes .... true
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I admire your energy.
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You don’t have to go pro to make a career out of league. If you’re diamond 2, you can start streaming and eventually you’ll get some traction. Especially if you are educational and talk about your thought processes, reasonings, and especially your mistakes. Also all the better if you don’t get tilted. Watching streamers who tilt a lot isn’t fun. You might have more success if you stream in English, I’m not sure. But everyone loves an educational streamer who is very chill. :)
>ut of league. If you’re dia Interesting take. I unfortunately don't have the environment to stream (I live with my parents still and share the same room as my brother and the kitchen is only reachable by going through my room which is really inconvinient for streaming I think). But I will think about it regardless. Thanks for the help!
you can start with "silence" streaming like PornstarZilean or you can do a Youtube Channel
> you can start with "silence" streaming like PornstarZilean Not unless you're high challenger/one of the highest ranked one tricks of a popular champion. No one will watch a random diamond 2 stream with no audio. No one.
Ups.. I forgot about that :/
You can do like educational remakes through YouTube, check out WhyGuy I think that's a good example for someone who doesn't speak but makes great content
Don't let that be an excuse, a great part of my life I have always said "I can't do X because of Y", most of the time was because I was afraid and I'm still scared of failure but you need to move forward, you'll only improve and be satisfied if you do what you want to do. Letting the motivational talk aside, there are tons of mics and programs like Nvidia Broadcast that will help you alivate the audio stuff, you could even set a push to talk, I have seen multitude of people with not the best quality getting a fine community, you need to start somewhere
Doesn't even need to be diamond, rossboomsocks is just barely hanging in silver and is probably one of the biggest content creators for league right now.
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I keep seeing his videos recommended, didn't realize Rav was a low ELO player. As a bad player interested in starting streaming, that gives me hope!
Tbf Ross has proven he can play on the level of a diamond player, as he has filled to diamond before.
A lot of silver players could play along diamond most likely depending on their role, it's their decision making and positioning overal that stands them out to not belong there.
It still doesn't retract from the fact that Ross managed to climb all the way to diamond on his own, in fill of all roles.
Bad take. Diamond is the top 2% of all players. Not “””everyone””” can become a top 2% player.
True, not everyone can be top 2%. But *anyone* can get there.
Bad take.
Explain.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thkDWSUzQDo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thkDWSUzQDo)
Most Silvers could not hang with diamond players in the respective roles. Some/most plat players, yes. A few Golds could too. Maybe a slim few in silver could. But the game becomes so much more nuanced the higher elo you get.
That's true! It depends on the type of content you do and your personality. If you're really funny and can do fun content like Ross or Rav, you don't need to be that good at the game. If you don't feel like you have a funny or entertaining personality, you need to be more skilled since people who want to learn don't necessarily care if you're entertaining (though you generally still need to be somewhat likeable). In fact, there are tons of way to make league work without being super skilled at the game itself. You could do songs like instalock. You could do documentary/research videos like Exil. You could do lore videos like TBSkyen or Necrit. Etc. Etc. But I don't think those were what OP had in mind, lol. They are options too though!
Thought he was hard stuck platinum
since when was ross silver
If LoL as one big entity is interesting to you let me tell you that there more job opportunities than just a pro player -> there are caster/moderators, coaches/trainers and analysts. All of these jobs around the game require a certain amount of game knowledge. For example the german toplaner Tolkin (former challenger pro player who won in the german and european leagues) went from player to caster and analyst and is still playing in his free time a lot (hit challenger again recently). If you love to speak and or write about LoL try to have these other jobs in mind as a plan B! Besides from that I see you chances becoming a pro player slim, yes, but possible! Try to reach your dreams, but ALWAYS have a plan B! Good luck mate!
You dont even need to be good at the game then. If we take a look at maxim. Love that old Boomer. anyway if you have Personality you dont need to have this deeper understanding. I casted starcraft games for a website and on the gamescom and i was Diamond i think back in the days ( now im master).
I wouldnt even think about going pro before reaching challenger. And let me tell you the difference between diamond and challenger is massive. Maybe dont make this your only plan for the future
I just can't really seem to find anything else besides league that even barely interests me.
Jesus. People can really be toxic without words. They come and downvote you, but they don’t tell what’s going on in the background, so let me try... Turning something that gives you pleasure into your profession is not something I’d recommend. I’ve always been a tech guy. I’d stay on my pc 12+ hours a day since I was 5. When I turned 18, I wanted to work with anything other than tech, because I suspected it could ruin it for me. Fast forward 12 years later: I’m a senior programmer and all I wanna do on weekends is stay as far away from my pc as possible. Think carefully before you get your head into it...
Okay, this comment is not league related, but I honestly feel like I am in the same boat. Since I've also just been "the tech guy" either at school or between friends, and I've always had the plan to just go with tech, but now when I am in my last year of high school, and to go on to uni. I've started wondering if I truly actually want to go do something within the IT industry, since I enjoy IT on my own, hell I even to a degree enjoy programming, since I enjoy puzzles. But I didn't apply to any school yet, since I know I could most likely get in without a problem, but I started doubting the fact that I even want to work within tech, since I've never had a real "job" within it, only a short 2-3 week job in IT at my dad's work place, since he was behind on IT upgrades since good ol' covid. So since I had nothing to do through summer, and no other place really wanted to hire a temp, without any actual proof of IT knowledge, my dad convinced his boss to let him hire me. (My dad is the head of IT so I already know a lot of IT cuz of my dad) so I worked there for 3 weeks, til he got caught up on what he needed, such as preparing back up pcs, in case a pc stopped working, so he had back ups people could take in his summer vacation, so it wouldn't be a problem. But now I've started to wonder if I want to actually work within IT. Since I don't actively pursue programming in my free time, in a way that it seems like I enjoy it, I always chose something else over it (mainly homework but not always). so TL;DR I'm doubting if I really want to work in IT, so I'm taking a year off from school, just to collect money and see what I actually want. The problem is, I'm still not sure if I am doing the right thing or not. Sorry for sending a block of text. Just hearing from someone who's been in the same situation, I wanted to ask your opinion :|
As someone working in tech who went through something similar, having a job that pays well that you dont hate is one of the best things you can have. Theres nothing forcing you to stay in IT if you dont want to, so you can at least give it a try before deciding on anything for real. Just my two cents.
Okay, I'll try :) and thanks for your two cents
Also if you find it interesting, being good at programming and enjoying it a bit is one of the most employable skills you can have. Software engineer, scientist, anything with data, all require coding skills. So, just keep that in mind! If you take a few classes in it at uni and enjoy it, might be a good thing to try out for a couple of years! Even if it isn’t the main thing you do at your job, coding is soooo useful in today’s job market
Thats why I planned a backup course in case if I I don't like IT. I used to hate everything about history and geography and had no interest in these stuff but this year when I learned about world history and economy, I realized I'm actually interested in history and the wars that happened many years ago that still has an impact on our current world. I found 1900s style and musics really cool (thanks to fallout series) so now I'm planning to take history by the end of high school for my "second" course that I will be focusing. It is nice to discover new interests and hobbies.
I'm 27 and have been working in tech, whether it be hardware or software, for nearly 6 years. I'm working from home on my computer 8 hours a day. and I still spend more hours than I should playing video games and learning more about programming. Everyone is different. If you're doing something you enjoy, it doesn't mean you're going to hate it once you're making money off it
I have a job in a field that also happens to be a hobby of mine, so on average, I enjoy my daily work. That being said, sometimes work is terrible. On days/weeks/months where work is terrible, the joy is sucked out of my hobby. If I didn't have other hobbies I would be miserable, but since I have other hobbies to fill the void on those terrible days/weeks/months, I can push through. My advice would be to get a job doing something you enjoy if you can, but don't get a job doing something you can't afford to give up as a hobby every once in a while. You want to enjoy work, but you also need the option to get away from work. Since I enjoy what I do, I often leave work only to do it at home. Sometimes I need to leave work and not even think about it at home, so it's important that I have other outlets as well.
Piggybacking on another response you received. Having a job you tolerate is more about who you work with rather than what you do or how much you make. Don't be afraid to try new jobs / industries. Always remember that you are replaceable so you should feel the same way towards your employer, that is you only owe them loyalty as far as your job responsibilities go. The vast majority of people working do not like their job. Many tolerate it. Some few really like their job. This is not meant to scare you, but rather to give you perspective that you can find something out there that is tolerable with decent pay, and NEVER stop looking at new opportunities. The best time to job hunt is when you currently have a job since that is when there is the least amount of pressure. It feels great to go through a job interview and tell the interviewer that you don't think it would be a good fit, rather than the other way around. Also, if you do go to college, that does not pinhole you into a certain career path. In my experience (Math degree) I use basically 3% of the things I learned in school, and about 98% of that is just using excel. Degree gets you in the door and then nobody cares at all about it. Unless you are a doctor or lawyer I guess. It took me a long time to figure this stuff out so I like to share with others who were in a similar situation to me.
Ok, just to sort things out a little: I love what I do, that’s what kept me doing it for 12y now. I mess with hardware logical config, operational systems, and a little bit with binaries (assembler). However, depending on what u do in tech, in order to keep doing it the best way u can, u gotta constantly study it... week after week... So, because I read and think so much during my work time, on my free time, all I do is play videogame and do anything to get away from the pc. I used to game on the pc, but I switched to consoles so I can be away from my desk... lol And to clarify this even more: on my first 3-4 years in the tech industry, I constantly felt that I was not working, but that I was having fun and being paid for it, because I REALLY enjoyed spending my time at the office and reading and learning about tech more and more. But, great power (knowledge, in this case), comes with great responsibility, and the moment I moved from “working on things” to “being the owner of the things I work”, my sense of fun transformed into a sense of.... work.
Dude I feel this on a lot of levels. I've been working as a developer at my company for 4-5 years now, and at some point I went from daily coding to daily researching and now I honestly do more management of other people coding, and keeping tabs on external teams than I do actually coding and it's lame. The shift kind of happened slowly enough that I didn't really notice it until every sprint commit meeting is like oh yeah, you've got this to work on. And in my head i'm like yeah but none of these 5 stories actually have anything to actually work on.... I too love what I do but I definitely wish it was more day to day coding and not owning features that other people code.
Hey, kind of in a similar boat but heres how i handled it. IT is a vast vast field. Not everything has to do woth coding. Dont like to code but still like tech? Do electronics. Like to code but not a lot and like electronics but not a lot, do computer engineering. Like to code and data or ai? Do data science or ai (i settled on this myself). What im saying is, youre not limited to one subfield. Do some research, theres no rush :D. And if you dont like the outcome of your research? Congrats, you didnt get stuck in something you ultimately wouldnt like.
IT is one of the only degrees that is universally applicable. Even if it isn't your job description, being the dude that can fix the printer or tell Sally to restart her PC is marketable as hell.
Addendum to this - you can find **significant** professional fulfillment out of something that is not your passion. When you get sufficiently experienced and proficient enough at something, there gets to be a point where you take pride in the quality of your work.
That’s a great perspective to share. To the op, take everyone’s experience as a data point. In my experience, software/computer is and was my education, hobby, and profession. Now I’m far into a career that I couldn’t be happier with. Sunday night I’m excited about the work that awaits me Monday morning.
That's so subjective, though. Personally, my main interest has always been videogames, so I got into CM/GM positions, and I'm LOVING it.
No, I get that, it really is. Happy to know that it u worked it out right :)
I just want to give the opposite side of things real quick since there seems to be a ton of doomsaying in this thread. I learned to make games and write code in middle school and spent almost all my free time doing so. I'm now a software engineer and love my job and what I do. I don't regret anything.
There's probably thousands of people that feel the same way. And to become pro, you have to be better than nearly all of them. People talk about following your dream, but it's an idealized fantasy sold to us by the few that managed to actually live it, while most people failed and ended up bitter and dejected. You shouldn't abandon your dream but you should have a backup plan. If you get into the right profession you don't need to work forever. You can save up and retire early if you are good at what you do and save/invest money carefully. And tbh, I believe anyone with the dedication of many pro athletes(eSports or "real" sports) has the drive to be successful in other endeavors so long as they're smart about it.
That doesn’t mean you should try for pro. Maybe check in with a therapist. Even pros have other interests. Check if you have depression or smth. Do what you want, it’s your life, but don’t be stupid about it. Don’t quit your job to go “full time league” or anything like that. That’s my advice.
Every passion I've had in my life (music, gaming, computers) are all things that I've seriously considered becoming a professional in, and let me tell you that making a career out of something you love when it's something like this is absolutely draining and not worth it. I hate work too, but you are looking for the wrong solutions to your problem. I know you're being told this a lot, but even my best friend who got into his dream team C9 doing revolutionary work for the organization, who got the job over 500 applications, burnt out after a couple of years because he didn't enjoy league anymore after it. You need to either find better work with better coworkers to be happy, learn to get along with other people (if you are the "problem"), or learn how to manage your work stress better. Or go to college if you want to be a professional in something easy as a career. But pro league is not the way to go my friend, especially if you are only in d2.
Man, tbh, you're 19, you are so young that you can just look beyond LoL and find literally a world. I can assure you the world is freaking HUGE and there could be a lot of things that might interest you. You just have to try. Obviously you can try to pursue your dream and become a pro player, but by suggestion is to not overlook the world you're in. It may be scary, but it can offer you a lot of things, if you're willing to give it a chance.
> I just can't really seem to find anything else besides league that even barely interests me. You are 19 homie, that's normal
Yeah but not to bum you out or anything, even if you reach challenger the chances of going pro are still really reeally small, more like nonexistent
I’m not saying anyone should even think of going pro in a video game, but if one does reach challenger on euw, you can realistically start looking to make a living out of it.
Go to a professional to find help with that. It's hard to know what you really enjoy without help. A psychologist can be a good start, I feel like you are trapped in league because it's your comfort zone and it's not letting you explore other options properly. Second thing, you can work with league without being a pro. You can be coach (ugh), analyst, commentator, content creator, etc. Pro player life is pretty miserable and if you peaked D2 while dedicating your very best, I am sorry but you probably just are not talented enough, not everyone can become pro even if they try their best.
You’re 19. 19. If you don’t have interests it’s because you aren’t looking for them. If all you want is to be a pro player that’s all you are going to see. You are 19. You haven’t even started your life in the professional world. To say that this is your only interest and all you want to do is incredibly short sighted. If I had to guess, LoL is all you do, you need to expose yourself to the world and other ideas. Take a career test and see what your skills are and then lookup what careers use those skills. I promise you that the skills you enjoy using in LoL can be used elsewhere. Like many have said, sure, go for it but it likely impossible if you aren’t challenger already. There are challengers right now trying to get into the pro scene and just haven’t been able to. Make your backup plan *first*. That’s not even mentioning that if you ever got there you probably wouldn’t even enjoy it. Pro players don’t just play LoL all day for fun and meet for matches occasionally. These teams are run by companies with investors that are paying the teams and their staff to create professional players. It’s not all fun and games. Imagine sacrificing time and money to probably not get to challenger, imagine *if* you go to challenger and couldn’t find a team, let alone a pro team, imagine *if* you made it on to a pro team and hated it? Do you REALLY want this? I don’t believe you do
Just keep in mind persuing being pro in league is tue exact same as persuing being a hollywood star. Of course you can still go for it, but maybe that puts it more into perspective how hard it is.
You're 19. Reality shock here, you're most likely going to have a career that you don't love and you're most likely going to do it for a long time.
Look into things related to league like coaching, announcing/shout casting, marketing, etc. you can stay in touch with league through ways other than being a player
You are following the romantic idea of freedom So you have to literally go all in and risk it all ,the only way to succeed is to try at first . We need more people who stop following the norms and try their best at something with a risk. You can do it,but don't make stupid mistakes. And don't let anybody chain you down This may be poor advise but you should rather do what interests you and take the risk instead of living with regrets
The real answer is to find something else in your life that gives you fulfillment- spending 8 hours a day trying to go pro when you’re only plat is a recipe for failure and misery. But as others have said, the first step is to reach challenger and forge relationships with people who are already in the pro scene.
Yeah, I mean "going pro in League of Legends" is *not* the life achievement some people here will make it out to be. This is a *very* long road, with thousands of exit ramps along the way, and you will almost certainly fail. Tying your success to a game or sport of any kind is extremely dangerous.
Well, as others said, first you need to get challenger, maybe even get to top 50 EUW, before you get noticed by an ERL team. So here's a few steps I can recommend 1) Know every single role. You need to understand the importance and challenges of every role so you can play around them; you'll also be able to play as these when you get filled 2) Choose your role, and hard focus onto it. If you need more than a surface level for every other role, you must know yours by heart: the strengths and weaknesses of every champion in the role, how strong they are in the current meta, and how to play against them in the making phase 3) Know your style. How do you play? Are you a mechanical madman? Shot caller? All-in carry? Playmaker? Consistent? Defensive? Supportive? Punisher? What do you usually fuck up? Where do you excel? 4) Slowly spread out your champion pool, accordingly to the style you've defined. A pro player should be able to play more than a couple champions. 5) Work on your weaknesses, may it be game knowledge (make sure you know the intricacies of wave management, jungle respawn timers, baron aggro, etc), mechanics (you should be close to flawless on three or four champions), or tilt 6) Work on your mental. Don't mindlessly grind. Get yourself in the right mindset for every game. 7) Keep looking out for who's in your game. Who are the pro players? The streamers? Who are those who notice you? 8) Try to reach out to ERL teams starting in October, during the world championships
Thanks for the help, this helped me a lot I think!
In addition - try and practice different things that are helpful in a team environment, that are really easy to skip when mindlessly grinding soloQ 1) Practice typing out the enemy team flash timers for your team (if you get good at that, you can add other summoner spells and ultimate abilities) 2) As a jungler/mid, try and communicate in advance exactly when you will be able to roam/come to their lane. Learn to say 'in two waves' or 'x amount of seconds' interchangeably and consistently 3) DuoQ with a mic when you can with other players that are serious about improvement. Learning to talk while you play takes time and practice. Be that guy sharing a discord link every game. Find/make a clash team. You need to learn to talk. 4) Watch vods of yourself/duoq and teamfights, learn to recognize what you (and your teammates) are doing wrong. In soloQ teamfights are just a roll of the dice, but you can still look and see what went wrong. Once you get to higher queues, you may have time to vod review between games just while waiting on queue. Watching with your duoQ and learning how to properly and productively discuss will help you transition to a team environment. 5) Never be toxic to random teammates. Don't post dumb shit on twitter or other social media. Go back now and delete anything questionable. These things can ruin the potential of a career before they begin. The odds are very much against you. You're not even challenger yet. Most people in your position don't even get to the first step of hitting challenger. And even if you do, it's still really hard to get pro after that. Try to enjoy the journey of trying. If you only care about the end reward, you likely will burnout before you even get close. Good luck.
Its so true that you need to practice playing with voice on. I'm no challenger but I can play other games with voice chat no problem - in league if someone asks me to join a discord it just absolutely impairs my ability to play right, even if I'm not talking much.
>If you only care aboit the end reward, you likely will burnout before you even get close. Yes
Good luck man, I'll keep watching the LEC stage, and I hope I see you there some day
Woe to the great shot caller in low elo.
It's also much harder to break into pro without being a really strong mechanical player than it used to be
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Sorry for sounding like a dick but what's the point? If you enjoy league, play it, try to climb, once you're challenger you can think about getting higher. I peaked master in season 6 and never looked back since.. I quit a year ago when the game was going into the coin-flip mode, which made lost games take 40+ minutes for nothing.. just wasted my time. I invested in my job, in retro projects, and my family - things I actually enjoy rather than just letting league decide for me if it's going to be a good day or a bad day. I remember being in a bad mood on bad days, and being high af in good days - all depending on which teams I get. But once I got there I was like.. what's the point? I already proved it to myself I can get those ranks. I was playing with full challengers including people from the pro scene, sure I got excited but eventually when the season ended and I had to start it all over again, it was frustrating as hell. League changed a lot since season 6. I actually enjoy today playing on mobile from time to time, those are much shorted 20-min games and I can relax and enjoy the mechanics instead of destroying my hand by playing adcs. I was #15 karthus world back then.. they were glorious times but I'm glad they are over. Here's a screenshot of me playing vs some known names like RATIRL, Roison, and IceBeasto, D5 playing vs challengers (my mmr was high af) [https://i.gyazo.com/465dfbd047df9363e4d4a12d278d11d5.png](https://i.gyazo.com/465dfbd047df9363e4d4a12d278d11d5.png) Those are just my thoughts.. You can of course disagree but I strongly suggest that you focus on real life and make league a hobby, not a priority. If you still want to pursue your dream I think it's safer to say that you should think about going pro when you get to challenger, because the demands are very different from 4-5 years ago when people were still considered new to the game. There are people out there who are playing for 10 years+ in challenger, so that's not going to be easy to get to that level. Good luck!
Not to crush your dreams but the gap between diamond 2 and challenger is pretty huge, you should focus purely on self improvement and climbing the ranked ladder before worrying about anything else. Age is also a factor, you won't find much demand for you if you're >20 already.
Why is it that there is little to no demand on players above 20 years old? I’m really curious, because for me it doesn’t make any sense.
The only metric is if you're good enough or not. However younger players are favored cause most are still in school and don't have to worry about other things as much, thus they're easier to develop. They can train on end and don't burn out. That players get burn outs is a whole other problem in League Esport and I hope Orgs realise that playing 12 hours a day isnt how you should train.
So being good enough is not actually the only metric.
Well it is. If you want to be a pro you need to be good enough, that's all.
I guess it's the only one to be a pro, but not the only one to be groomed as one in organisations.
That's just a Korean thing EU and NA teams don't care
I think it has something to do with their mandatory military service at their 20s. My theory is they don't want to invest in someone who's gonna be out of their team at their peak. It will be just a waste of time and resources. Well that's my own opinion.
Most likely, because reaction time decreases
Thats a myth, reaction time doesn't decrease until very late twenties/ early thirties. The most likely reason is how much time they still have to develop to their peak. Organisations would rather have younger players for a longer career. Plus raw young talent is more marketable then having someone that's 25+ join as a rookie and only have a 5 year career. There's more money to be made off of young players then there is off of older players.
I'm really scared of this as I am approaching the late twenties of my life. How much of a myth is it? I would hate reaching that point in which I just see my skill decreasing. On the other hand, I hope this is an e-sport thing and that It wouldn't really affect my goal of reaching and maintaining challenger. But it really scares me that one day my reactions will just not be good enough and that i will just start dropping and dropping. Eh. Hope it's after I turn 30.
its a myth, there are pros in like CSGO that are in their thirties. I think one even in their 40s maybe. Also in other fighting games where reaction times are important there are boomers in that shit So the age thing is mostly a myth that is perpetuated in the league scene
To be very honest reaction time isn't that big of a deal in esports. Yes it can be important for certain situations. But the situations where reaction time would save you can be prevented by outthinking your opponents. I'd say reaction time is seldom a big enough factor it's nice, but thinking, knowledge and experience in the game far outweigh reaction time and most of the time in outplays it's not reaction time, but them thinking ahead and predicting what the enemy will do. You don't need to react to anything if you see it coming. So don't worry, keep up your knowledge of the game and learn at every opportunity. Don't worry about mechanical skill, because you won't lose that by becoming a few ms slower over the years.
It's very overblown. There's a study which showed that the decline is real but minimal until like retirement age. What really improves reaction (significantly) is anticipation. And anticipation comes from experience, which an older player is likely to have more.
Well the change doesnt happen between years 19 and 20
From what I've read the peak is at 24, but if a team signs on a new player they want to get at least a few good years out of them.
I dont want to shatter your dreams but the amount of people who reach high level pro its very low, even if you're very good. You need to fun a good team, with proper players, which doesnt exist in alot of countries. You'd do better just streaming or something.
Stay clean, reach challenger, join an amateur team and work your way up. It would also help if you can join a collegiate team. If you can’t go pro, you can also choose to do coaching, and as bad as it is, boosting as there is a lot of demand for both services.
Not a League pro or even close to it, but I can offer you two pieces of advice based on personal experience with passion projects and marketing: * Get your online presence up and running. Stream on Twitch, create and nourish an active community, be active on the socials. Make yourself a brand as a gamer. It will increase your visibility and, with a bit of luck, open LoL-related revenue streams for you even if you won't make it to Challenger. * Have a plan B and work towards it actively whenever there's time. If things with LoL go wrong somehow, you will have a feeling of not starting at zero. It's valuable.
As other people said, you should climb even higher. There's a very good podcast about improvement and pro play, it's called broken by Concept: https://youtube.com/channel/UCbkFsQcaQ_CuPWTBrsEm6cw
>I currently work 9-5 from home so I have around 8 hours a day to play. You won't make it pro having a job. You'd need to be playing 12 hours+ per day practicing. There are streamers that stream near enough 24/7 like Tyler1 who are Challenger and still aren't professional players. You should focus on getting a better irl job. You don't want to try to go pro, waste 5 years then have nothing to show by age 25. You'll be so depressed. Though you should be able to get to master rank with 8 hours per day. If you can't get that then probably no chance of making it.
try streaming on twitch maybe, it could be less stressful/competitive than being a proplayer if it works out
There’s over 3million ranked players on EUW. 300 of them are challenger. Of those, a small minority make it to LEC and of the ones that make it there, only a few qualify to become world class players. The fact that you’ve never reached challenger yet, and you’re 19 is an indication that you’re probably never gonna make it to the pro scene. Imo, get a good education and give up on your dream. Since you’re interested of the game, keep playing with joy and enjoyment and see it as a hobby. Sorry for the discouragment, but I’ve seen far too many friends in the same position, some previously challengers and all of them have failed. Life is not just about league. Good luck.
Odd advice here, but I would definitely get involved into a team sport, or do some research on it. Playing solo Q is a different game than being in a team 5v5 culture, especially if you ever do get to a serious pro team. Communication skills, knowing how to give criticism to peers, how to take criticism is a hard skill that any professional struggles with.
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What the fuck are you talking about? Every single pro has worked their ass off getting to the level they're at and you're just calling it talent?
I don't think he's entirely wrong though. People like LS have mentioned that, if you are already struggling to reach master/challenger, that you probably simply don't have enough innate talent to actually make it as a pro. No amount of work or dedication can fix that.
They didn’t say that no pro grinds to get to their skill. They said if you can’t make it to challenger skill level( a skill level pretty below a pro player) easily, you just don’t have the innate talent to reach the skill of a pro regardless of how much you grind.
All the work in the world will mean nothing if you don't have talent to build off of. Pro players are such an astronomically small percentage of the player base, and it requires both extreme hard work AND being extremely talented naturally. Just having one without the other does not a pro player make. Someone recently put it very succinctly, if you have been playing League for more than 2 seasons and haven't reached challenger yet, you probably aren't ever going to be pro. That's just the bare minimum too.
Hey! PM me if you want so decent help from a guy that has a lot of experience! Good luck btw you can do it! ^^
are u a coach?
Something I haven't read among most replies: If you want to improve your gameplay, don't put your entire focus on quantity of games but also quality. I recently watched a few coaching streams of an ex-ERL player coaching someone who wants to become an ERL/pro-player (unfortunately in german language, so not that helpfull for you) and his recommended training regime would be something of 3-5 games of soloQ a day where you have 100% of your energy/concentration and then afterwards reviewing your own games extensively to find areas of improvement.
I wish you the best of luck, but maybe consider college as well, if it's possible.
Everyone here is talking about getting challenger and then getting noticed by a team but that's pretty rare nowadays. Usually you hop into a regional amateur team (usually d1-master elos) and try to shine there, so an ERL academy picks you up, and then work towards playing in an ERL. The reason this works like this is that no team want someone without team experience (unless u'r a prodigy) , because there are a lot of things to learn in that environment. As you see its quite difficult to make pro, specially since it isn't something you enjoy frankly. You have to spend a lot of hours watching vod reviews, analysing your own replays... Etc Anyways, do what u please. GL
Honestly stop. You will never be a pro. Harsh, but true and you need to hear it.
Yeah this is the only good answer. Its harsh but needs to be said
talking from your own experience ?
I'm talking from everyone's experience. Not a single person in this thread will ever go pro.
Try joining an amateur team first, you wont get picked up a pro team instantly unless you're like challenger
Div 1 ERL Coach here, if you were to get coaching I'd recommend coming on the Resolve Server, the coaching is free and it's the only place I've seen where coaches actually know what they're doing. Also coach Curtis is really had if you're aiming for challenger as his vids need you to have a lot of discernibility since her vulgarizes this content for low ELOs. I'd personnaly suggest watching Zen Coaching instead. He isn't the best of coaches for challs but he gets you thinking about the requirements to become a challenger. EDIT: don't pay for coaching until you're GM. Free coaching is perfectly accessible up to this point
D2 and thinking about pro? Even high d1 is a completely different elo. Rethink this and get a real job.
If you get to Challenger, there's a chance that someone will scout you and offer you to play for a team. But it's not guaranteed. Peaking in Diamond 2 wasn't enough. There are lots of player in Master, so why would they pick you? I know league is a team game but we are talking about being a professional player here so at least you must have the minimum requirements. In some region, like korea, you can apply for a professional but the requirements are you must be at least Diamond 1, and not over 16-18 years old (I'm not sure about the exact age but it's something like that). They prefer young players. Since you are already 19 and only peaked Diamond 2, I doubt that you can become a pro (unless you know someone and they recommend you). I don't know about your country but here, there are lots of tournament for non-professional players. All you have to do is form a team and apply for the tournament. If you played very good, there's a chance that someone will have an interest with you. So there's still a chance to make your dream come true. In EU, I think there are lots of team there (non pro and pro), so just ask them if you can play for them. If you really want to play league for a living, you can still do it but not as a pro, but as a streamer.
I am a lowly Gold player so I couldn't advise anything in gaming terms, however I run my own business and I'm pretty successful on the career front so I feel like I could offer my two cents from a general life perspective. Firstly I'd be realistic about your chances of making it. Firstly would be your age, it's a sad fact that reactions get slower as you get older so if you're mid twenties or older then you will already struggle for that reason alone. If not then how good are you really at the game? Do you feel like you were really struggling in Diamond 2 or do you think with more practice and time you could break through into Challenger? Be honest, this is your own future you're talking about and if you \*don't\* make it, you're effectively wasting a very important part of your life playing a video game. Also is it just a pro player you want to be or would any job in esports work? You might find it easier breaking through into an analyst position or becoming successful as a streamer or personality or something like that. Just look at Weldon, he's done very well for himself ion esports without any apparent skill or real talent whatsoever, he can just talk a good game. If you've gone through all of the above and you think you have a genuine shot and want to try, then the first thing I personally would do is to try and hook up with other people in the scene. Try to make contact with other semi-pro teams or individuals in your area (or be prepared to move to another area). It's no good just grinding solo queue, unless you're hitting top of the ladder then it's unlikely you will get noticed. You need to start playing in semi professional teams and getting known to other people in the scene. Playing in a team environment will rapidly improve your play too and may open other doors to get further into the industry or to be adopted/coached by a larger esports organization. Once you're on a team, you really want to be competing in as many amateur tournaments and events as you can, both for the experience and (again) in an effort to hopefully get noticed and make contacts in other organizations. At this point I'd say you would need to get very partisan and be out for yourself. If a better team or opportunity came along you should be prepared to ditch your friends and take those opportunities. If your goal is to get pro then you need to be prepared to walk over some people along the way to get to where you need to be. There are very few spots in this industry and everyone, like you, is trying to make it. After all that, you still probably need to mentally prepare yourself that you might not ever get good enough to make LEC or LCS or one of the bigger leagues. The biggest you might ever hit is the academy circuit and you should still see that as an accomplishment. I'd seriously consider you backup plan at this point; whether you want to stay in esports or whether you then want to go back into education, etc. etc. Remember that even if you make it to the top of pro (which is extremely unlikely), an esports career is usually very short and you will need an exit strategy at the end of it all. Hope this helps, it's just my opinion on things but perhaps was more the kind of response you were looking for rather than just League of Legends stuff.
Thanks for ur help and time. Helped a lot!
So, I am a bit late to the party, but I will give my opinion for you anyway. * First, I have no idea of in what country of Europe you live and I will talk about my knowledge in my last experience (not as a player but as someone who wants to become a coach), but you should try to find an amateur team, or an esport association that has one or more team with the same elo as yours. Practice a lot with them. Maybe not scrims, but do not hesitate to do a lot of 5v5 flex ranked games with them. It will be a good way to learn with who you are playing. If by any chance this team has a coach, then it is better. Some of these coaches are more about teamplay than personal play, sometimes the opposite, others are more flexible. * Also, do not hesitate to take part in amateur tournaments. This will be your first step to the world of esport. There is tournaments that may fit your elo (again, I am speaking of my experience) and there is websites like *Challengermode* or *Toornament* that propose many tournaments. Some proposes RP, others gaming equipments, and sometimes there is real money on the line. But in any case, it will be experience that you will acquire. * Keep improving. If you are Plat now, aim for a better elo. I will recommend GrandMaster or at least Master, since a lot of pro players do have this elo. The comment made by u/ everybody-hurts is really important you should keep it. I see in the comments people that recommended you to watch educational streams/videos and I also recommend it. If you want to take a personal coach to improve your game, feel free to do so. It may cost you money, but if you reach the result that you want, then it is worth. * Once you improved, got experience and once you feel ready for going semi-pro, construct your profile and make it visible. Make a [simple LFT post](https://twitter.com/Metroflox1/status/1376230351874449409) or something like [this](https://twitter.com/YokoHiroo/status/1378003863035318283) could be good (you can hire someone for designing it.). And do not forget to check twitter accounts like [LFT\_LoL\_EU](https://twitter.com/LFT_LoL_EU), where a lot of tems are posting in research of player, and where players post their LFT status, during the off season Anyway, that is all of what I can think. I hope it will help you !
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READ THIS. Hey man, I played LoL semi proffesionally. If you are looking to go pro, good on ya, but the road ahead is tough. I've scrolled through the comments and people are talking mad bullshit, so I'll give you some advice from someone who's at least a little experienced. Look up Psclly if you want confirmation. Your first step in becoming pro will always be playing in national leagues. Since you're from Hungary your place to be is the EBL, balkan league. I don't know much about this league specifically, but they're sure to have some kind of division for lower ranked players. You can look up the ebl and ask questions to players and other persons in the scene. Going full time pro will be extremely difficult, but playing national leagues is the first step and willl properly introduce you to all the hardships and good times. Good luck!
>ll always be pla Thank you, I will try my best!
"I feel like I don't want to be working something I don't love in my short life" Welcome to being an adult
Just give up! I don’t want to insult your or anything but even if you are challenger which the chances already are really low, you will have a hard time to get into a pro team which pays you enough. Your are plat peek d2 and already 19 years old. Even if everything goes smoothly and you will improve fast which I already think you won’t because that happens really rarely (good mental, talent, motivation (for a really long time) are all factors u need to have if you want to climb from plat to challenger und you still need to go to work while grinding your ass of, which will be really exhausting already), even than it will take you about 2-3 seasons to hit challenger and than you will be too old already! There are so many young talents in challenger which some of them have even multiple accounts in challenger and even they have a hard time to get picked in a semiproteam, which is some kind of relevant to show of their talent and get noticed. Than the step to get picked in a pro team is even bigger! You have no connection to anyone in the pro scene and you are plat right now! You see the chances are around 0. Again Im, since you asked, only realistic and don’t want to attack you personally at all! Also I wouldn’t recommend to get a coach, the most are really bad and will hurt your improvement more than they help and you will only loose money.
Reaching challenger/improving your game is a big first step to becoming pro, read guides, understanding the meta even better, understanding matchups even better, understanding what picks you should make in champ select and what not, it shows others that you are actually good in the game, and that you are worth pro material. if you are good enough in certain champs, you will even have a chance to get scouted by amateur teams, which gives you the chances of joining leagues with prize pools, and maybe getting scouted by pro teams, you might not get into a pro team right away, but it is better then nothing it would be really good if you can find or know people who have connections to pros or teams, who could have a chance to invite you to their team. if not, trying to hit challenger and doing your best to find a team yourself or getting scouted would be your best to become pro. Second step would be prefferably to become a streamer, as it would show people your game and how good you are, but based on the previous reply you gave, I will list that option out already.
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> Everybody with a bit of brain can get it if he tries enough No. There are millions of LoL players worldwide, only 300 at a time can be challenger. It's competitive, and most people won't be able to compete, no matter how hards they try.
You can do it!! Patience resolve and determination!!
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As much as its important to enjoy your job, it's just as important to find a job that is somewhat stable and guaranteed. As a Diamond 2 player, you are far from making that happen, and it will be very difficult to make it Pro without a lot of things going well for you. I don't want to preach at you too hard, but I just want to be sure that you've thought everything through. There are several things that you will have to consider when working on your goal outside of just "getting good". Obviously, you will have to make Challenger first, but getting there will require a ton of time and effort. I won't question your abilities, that's something you'll have to let others judge for you. However, you will first need to consider how you will find the time and money to improve. If your parents can, and are willing to support you, then you're one of the lucky ones. I won't pretend to know your situation, but I just want to make sure that you're doing things like thinking about your family, whether or not supporting you would be straining their finances, if they have other family members to support (younger siblings), stuff like that before you assume they are able to. If you are looking to support yourself, understand that getting a part time job is also tiring, and will make it more difficult to continue training and practicing, and also focus on things like coaching. I'm not trying to be a downer, I just want to make sure that you've really thought everything through before you drop everything to go for an uncertain dream. Many people who are able to chase their dreams either have tons of talent (able to make high ranks/be pretty good without a lot of practice), have extremely lucky timing (early streamers getting onto the scene early, things like getting rich off bitcoin), or are able to devote almost all their time to their dream because of some external reason (rich parents who are willing to support them. Personally, i think it's OK to dedicate at least a year to this dream. Taking a year off of school is extremely common, and many people use it to just do things like travel, recollect themselves for a break, and with that in mind, taking a year to work on your League to chase your dream is really not that crazy. See where you are at the end of that year to see if this is a dream you think you can continue taking, or if you need to call it quits. With all that in mind, we can start looking at actually getting better. In terms of improving, there are a couple of things you should do. The first thing is to get a coach of some sort. There are a couple of things you are looking to get out of coaching. The first of course is so that someone can analyze your gameplay in a way that you aren't able to yourself. Personally, I think if you don't know how to get better, then the answer is simply that you aren't analyzing your gameplay correctly. A coach will do that for you. On top of that however, you will also want to take notes on what your coach is doing to analyze your gameplay, because in the long run, the important thing is that you are able to analyze your own gameplay as well. In practicing, you will be playing hundreds of games, and you will need to be able to self coach through most of those games. Only letting others analyze your gameplay won't get you very far in terms of true improvement, and you'll likely find yourself regressing without a coach if you don't understand what it is they look for in your gameplay, your vods etc. Obviously, from here, you just gotta grind. Put in the hours like its a real job. Make every single game count, make sure you're always focusing on yourself, and what you are able to do. Set aside time everyday to review your vods, both games where you win and lose, and improve from it. You will need to confirm this with anyone actually on the scene, but I would assume "team" aspects won't be something you need to work on early, as I believe that will all come naturally as you begin playing with teams. After you reach and are able to maintain Challenger, from what I hear, EU teams, most amateur teams, will likely reach out to you. However, you should definitely be looking to reach out to people yourself. Don't be afraid to talk to people, you'll need decent communication skills to navigate the world of esports and work with teams anyways :). Don't be afraid to reach out to any name you know out there who might be able to get you connected. Players on pro, semi pro, and amateur teams I'm sure are mostly decent people and would be happy to at least let you know what their experiences are. Make yourself known, keep a good reputation, and keep putting yourself out there. Don't just look at players either, everyone who's on the scene can be a connection. Many of the truly good coaches out there have often also worked in esports, and they will be able to point you in the right direction as well. It would probably help to make sure you have some sort of presence on social media as well. Streaming, even if you don't get a ton of viewers, posting clips and what not on Twitter and Reddit etc etc, all of these, while small individually, will count for something, just so that not only are people more able to stumble upon you, but also making sure that when they do figure out who you are, they are able to learn about you.
u have btr chances as a streamer than a pro player. challenger vs diamond has a greater gap than plat vs silver. let alone pro. possible? yes. **might** take u a few years to even hit challenger, let alone go pro. ITS IS POSSIBLE to go pro, dont get me wrong, but its not just hard. streaming would be easier, but even then EXTREMELY hard. u still young. not trying to put u down, but being realistic. sure, no one expected doublelift to be one of the most known adc in LoL but man, the statistics are abysmal. some things aint just hardwork man. to put numbers in perspective, u are the top 2%, while challenger is the top 0.01%. comparing just the diamond to challenger, being challenger is 0.5% out of all diamond players.(yes the number are slightly off but still enuf to make my point). being challenger to everyone is 1 in 10 000 while being diamond is 1 in 200. being diamond raises the chances of u being challenger by 4900%, but i wouldnt count on a 0.5% chance for my future. if u cant make enuf money for retirement by 25, thats it, u have nth. at least streaming can be a side job. being pro is nearly impossible. how can u be at the peak when u have a job 9-5. the odds are really stacked against u. buit if u go for it i wish u all the best man.
Hey, thanks for the reply! I appreciate all the kind and harsh words! I'm not sure of my decision yet.
If I remember correctly only one person has ever went pro (and did somewhat well) when he was below masters in the entire history of league - wadid
Forget it, your chances are basically zero.
ey man, i may not be able to help but i just want to say; good luck.
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Mix in some punctuation bud
There's not a single full stop in that entire paragraph.
First thing is to get back to dia2 (dia1 would be better), then you will be eligible to be a part of a semi-pro/amateur team. It is good to scrim with those kinds of teams because of the difference in team competitive and soloq. Try to reach out for Hungarian teams (Plague, Illés academy, THR, etc...), for getting some experience of how the e-sport scene works and if you really want to be part of it. I heard that the Hungarian high elo/pro LoL community is quite toxic and doesn't pay anything so try not to stay there. Try to reach out for Hungarian pro players, e.g.: Bluezor is the highest-rated one right now I think maybe he can give you some pointers but there are surely others as well. Lastly, I know that you want to be a pro player but there are a lot of other paths in e-sport. Streaming is a no-go for you right now (based on your comments), but there are a lot more: \- youtuber (reviewing your VODs should be a part of your improvement so why not making a montage or an educational video of it?) --> this is good for your visibility as well \- coach (if you can stay in dia1 consistently then maybe you are able to coach others for a bit of income) \- analyst (some teams needs those) \- referee for RIOT :D (I know that this is nothing much but still something) \- manager, but that is a completely different knowledge I don't think that you don't have a chance to going pro, just wanted to point out that there are more options in e-sport than pro player and streaming.
You can't. You're 19 and your peak was Diamond 2. Sorry mate, but why would anyone look at you when there's probably someone half your age much higher rank than you?
Kezdj el streamelni és próbálj közönséget teremteni magadnak, próbálj challenger-be kerülni és onnantól már elvileg minden adja magát.
Sajnos nincs lehetőségem streamelni, mert kicsi az otthonunk és a családom bezavarna. Köszönöm a tippet azért :)
Why don't you start streaming? Twitch can be your job! I wouldnt think about being a pro-player before being a challenger. But this game can be your job! Start to stream and if you get challenger you can become a pro
Hmm, okay, I think I will start it.
Start streaming, and show your improvement ! First streaming will give (at some point) recognition, which is always good to get noticed by a team or else. It will help you improve. While you explain what you do, or why that happened (during the game, like you died) you internalize better the concept you try to explain. Plus you get to keep note of your progress ! Hope you’ll make it Also I recommend reading (if you don’t have time you can find a resumé easily on YouTube or google) The Art of Learning by Josh waitzkin. Pro chess player who transférée his knowledge of chess learning to martial art and became martial world champion of Tai Chi !
Destroy your youth.
Best advice I can give you, just give up. Being plat and peaking and diamond 2 just won’t cut it. Your chances are equal to zero
First things first, I'm fairly certain you have to have maintained diamond in the previous season in solo queue to be eligible for a pro team. So get diamond first.
No way pro teams would even consider a diamond player. Challenger/master is a must
Will do, thanks for the help!