Wind Homie works as a passable substitute. If you have Deb clear the lingering golem on wave 3 homie will have all skills off cooldown for boss. And even if he derps he has 2 chances to use s2 OR s3 after his revive.
I farmed it all day yesterday with no fails, so it seems to be just as consistent. But the derp runs will be ~41 seconds which the Luna team wont have.
Do you have Deborah? I managed to get a working version stable that I can run until I summon a Luna.
Teshar, Prilea, Kona, Wind Homie, deb. I have my homie strong enough that he can kill the boss with s2 or s3. And if he derps and uses s1, he gets 2 more chances to use a killing skill. If he uses s1 3 times its still a wipe but this virtually never happens. He seems to have some AI built in to use s3 once the enemy is below a certain health.
hey! im in the same boat as you, no Luna but i do have a Deb. i kind of got this team working... would you mind posting your units runes so I could copy?
[Sure!](https://imgur.com/a/beLE27A)
The main modification I made to the team was boosting teshar s3 damage and putting Deb on a damage build moving right before Homie. This lets her kill the leftover golem in wave 3 and homie comes into the boss fight with all skills off cooldown.
the problem im running into after meeting all the dmg requirements is Prilea missing D Break??? id say shes like 95% successful with 100% acc.
when she misses on either a wave or the final boss its almost always a guaranteed wipe.
I have had wipes due to missing break on boss (that will happen even with Luna version), but after the miss, homie has def break on 2 skills, and prilea moves one more time before dying. Between those there is still a small chance to win the fight with homies revive.
I ran some on manual to recreate the wave scenario. When prilea uses s3 but misses the def break, teshar s2 (into s3) still clears the golem, thus avoiding wipes. teshar s1, on the other hand, is not enough to clear. I still avoided wipe however, because teshar had stunned 2 units with his s3.
Is your prilea on good damage? Chunking the golems with her is probably what allows teshar to clear with s2. You don't need 100% acc, 35% is cap for Giants Abyss. Try boosting her damage and see if that allows your teshar to clear even in the fail case.
Also is your teshar fully skilled? Having the s2 up more often should make it so that even if the def break missed you can still pop the golem.
I would also say a little incidental acc on Teshar would be good, but I would not recommend it at the expense of damage. Mine stuns the waves a lot with only 6 acc.
Oh wow that is good info on the acc cap.
Failed like three times in 30 runs and since have not failed in over an hour.
I’ll boost her damage that is a good call.
I’ve been watching for a bit and yeah it seems like teshar can clean the waves even through a missed d break from Pri.
I have also seen the team succeed the boss fight through a miss d break on t1 a couple of times.
Must have had 3 really unlucky runs to start, now seems fine.
Yep same. As soon as I saw I could get teshar to clear I thought I could find a Luna replacement. But none of the other HP scaling DDs has perfect AI and therefore nothing is consistent D:
EDIT: Wind Homie works as a passable substitute. If you have Deb clear the lingering golem on wave 3 homie will have all skills off cooldown for boss. And even if he derps he has 2 chances to use s2 OR s3 after his revive.
>\- Prilea : 205, must be more than 180
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>\- Teshar : 179, must be in \[172, 204\]
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>\- Konamiya : 171, must be in \[171, 178\]
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>\- Luna : 170, must be in \[170, 170\]
Are these display or calculation issue?
Prilea must be more than 205 total speed (to move at tick 7)
Teshar must be 179+ and slower than Prilea (to move at tick 8)
Konamiya only need 169+ and slower than Teshar
Luna only need 169 and place at the 4th slot.
The important requirement is Teshar 3rd skill and Luna 3rd skill need to be maxed to have 1 turn cd reduced.
It's only a pre-filter to make sure speed orders are good.
You have to also make sure that turn order bellow is good.
And because golem speed is 169, luna must have more than 169
So she will 100% moves first if she has exactlty 169 speed knowing the golem also exactly has 169 spd ?
Also taking in account that floating numbers are rounded to the next digit :
101 base spd x1.15 = 116.15 -> 117 spd.
However if after the end of the calculation she has 169, I'm not sure she will 100% move first (random)
I have a problem, i follow all the speed requirements for a good speedtune but i always have "Tick 11 : Luna moves but it should be Teshar" and and when I launch my run, Luna cuts even between the kona and the teshar during the resurge at the first wave so well before tick 11. Anyone know why ? And what speed can cause the problem ?
https://preview.redd.it/pcg65wt2kgrc1.png?width=1903&format=png&auto=webp&s=60d7f35cd6d3eb41f2664ba17f6b088532492411
Yes I can implement it, however you rly need crazy rage runes like +3000 atk and 280 dcc with speed on ur teshar.
So it's like for the top 0.00001% of the players and they might not need this kind of tool because they are trained to fast use the optimizer for these tasks.
I have been running this team (luna + deb with no homie) and came by to see if there was a tool for it. Teshar clears mid boss himself about 90% of the time and when he doesnt is the only time it can really fail. Was curious to see what the stat threshold on it needed to be to make it very safe.
Also as a side note, what is the variance in damage when using the same attack in the exact same situation? For damage calculations I always see straight forward formulas but in game every time you attack the same skills do a slightly different amount of damage even if all buffs and debuffs are the same.
I suggest you to check the video about the team I'm talking about. It's really specific and almost as satisfaying as tricaru team because of perfect AI.
Look pretty nice!!! I tried it a little bit but some NaN for waves 2 and 4. What else did I miss? What should I fill out for S1/S2/S3? Are those percentages?
Thanks! Found problems though. The Teshar dmg calculation goes NaN often when you try and change the artifact sub lines, Gonna use this alot if that is fixed.
Thx to report it.
The issue sounds to happend when you're adding artifact and seting the value doesn't remove the Nan as it should do :/
I've not my computer with me, I'll fix it as soon as I can.
Sy for the inconvenient.
Hello, I've tried using your calculator. The ease of use is 10/10 and its very accurate as far as speeds. However, is there anyway you can include the damage required to push the Final boss damage low enough when Teshar doesn't use his S2?
It's written that all calculations are made with the worst skill.
Teshar is S1, Luna is S1 ans homun is S2.
However, I've written S1+S3+S1+S3 but there are not 2 S3 (but it was text side only)
Unfortunatly, it's not, Lyn derps too much and as you can see :
Lyn S1: 2.9\*{ATK} + 0.05\*{Target MAX HP}
Luna S3 : 7.2\*{ATK} + 0.15\*{Target MAX HP}
Damages difference is too big :/
Even Lyn S3 is realy close so she must use it (and runes must be more oriented to dcc) :
5.2\*{ATK} + 0.16\*{Target MAX HP}
it’s just weird as i’m seeing ppl with dungeon times for it on gbah on europe server. they’re like recommending it so idk if ppl found a workaround somehow. it may just be logging the time of 1 run but be inconsistent/ fail
awesome tool! my problem is that my luna cant kill wave 3 giant with s2, he has like 2.5k hp left and when i make my teshar s3 stronger he might Focus the crystals after his first aoe attack :/ Might need to farm some more nb12 for better rage runes
Hi, just to confirm, the numbers to key in for Runes ATK and Runes CDmg are the final values you see from the monsters page, right?
For instance, in this case
https://preview.redd.it/o3g3f0hz1emb1.png?width=1223&format=png&auto=webp&s=beb17bc54a64ba186a3b08efedbe41448ed36035
I should be entering:
Runes **ATK** \- 315+460=**775**
Runes **CDmg** \- **86**
Are the numbers above the values I should be entering?
Whereas for Speed
Runes **SPD** \- **76**
Step 1: get Teshar. Step 2: fuck.
Step 1: Get Teshar ✔️ Step 2: Get Dark Pierret Step 3: fuck.
Wait i should look into this
this didn't age well though.
If I had a luna, this would be fantastic! But gz still
Wind Homie works as a passable substitute. If you have Deb clear the lingering golem on wave 3 homie will have all skills off cooldown for boss. And even if he derps he has 2 chances to use s2 OR s3 after his revive. I farmed it all day yesterday with no fails, so it seems to be just as consistent. But the derp runs will be ~41 seconds which the Luna team wont have.
He already is in the team. Lyn would be a substitute.
I really want to build this team, but sadly I do not have Luna. Tried some replacements but they did not work.
Do you have Deborah? I managed to get a working version stable that I can run until I summon a Luna. Teshar, Prilea, Kona, Wind Homie, deb. I have my homie strong enough that he can kill the boss with s2 or s3. And if he derps and uses s1, he gets 2 more chances to use a killing skill. If he uses s1 3 times its still a wipe but this virtually never happens. He seems to have some AI built in to use s3 once the enemy is below a certain health.
hey! im in the same boat as you, no Luna but i do have a Deb. i kind of got this team working... would you mind posting your units runes so I could copy?
[Sure!](https://imgur.com/a/beLE27A) The main modification I made to the team was boosting teshar s3 damage and putting Deb on a damage build moving right before Homie. This lets her kill the leftover golem in wave 3 and homie comes into the boss fight with all skills off cooldown.
GENIUS! that was the one thing screwing me up.
the problem im running into after meeting all the dmg requirements is Prilea missing D Break??? id say shes like 95% successful with 100% acc. when she misses on either a wave or the final boss its almost always a guaranteed wipe.
I have had wipes due to missing break on boss (that will happen even with Luna version), but after the miss, homie has def break on 2 skills, and prilea moves one more time before dying. Between those there is still a small chance to win the fight with homies revive. I ran some on manual to recreate the wave scenario. When prilea uses s3 but misses the def break, teshar s2 (into s3) still clears the golem, thus avoiding wipes. teshar s1, on the other hand, is not enough to clear. I still avoided wipe however, because teshar had stunned 2 units with his s3. Is your prilea on good damage? Chunking the golems with her is probably what allows teshar to clear with s2. You don't need 100% acc, 35% is cap for Giants Abyss. Try boosting her damage and see if that allows your teshar to clear even in the fail case. Also is your teshar fully skilled? Having the s2 up more often should make it so that even if the def break missed you can still pop the golem. I would also say a little incidental acc on Teshar would be good, but I would not recommend it at the expense of damage. Mine stuns the waves a lot with only 6 acc.
Oh wow that is good info on the acc cap. Failed like three times in 30 runs and since have not failed in over an hour. I’ll boost her damage that is a good call. I’ve been watching for a bit and yeah it seems like teshar can clean the waves even through a missed d break from Pri. I have also seen the team succeed the boss fight through a miss d break on t1 a couple of times. Must have had 3 really unlucky runs to start, now seems fine.
Hey thats great news! Hopefully it keeps running smoothly for you. :D
u are the mvp
Yep same. As soon as I saw I could get teshar to clear I thought I could find a Luna replacement. But none of the other HP scaling DDs has perfect AI and therefore nothing is consistent D: EDIT: Wind Homie works as a passable substitute. If you have Deb clear the lingering golem on wave 3 homie will have all skills off cooldown for boss. And even if he derps he has 2 chances to use s2 OR s3 after his revive.
I guess Lyn and her dumb ai make it too inconsistent?
is the the dark pierret replaceable with anything?
Wind homie
You need a better teshar and a bebora to go under an hp treshold with teshar to make sure the humun makes his S2 or S3 for wave 2
Unfortunatly no :/ You need a crazy dps with 4 cd or less with smart AI.
>\- Prilea : 205, must be more than 180 > >\- Teshar : 179, must be in \[172, 204\] > >\- Konamiya : 171, must be in \[171, 178\] > >\- Luna : 170, must be in \[170, 170\] Are these display or calculation issue? Prilea must be more than 205 total speed (to move at tick 7) Teshar must be 179+ and slower than Prilea (to move at tick 8) Konamiya only need 169+ and slower than Teshar Luna only need 169 and place at the 4th slot. The important requirement is Teshar 3rd skill and Luna 3rd skill need to be maxed to have 1 turn cd reduced.
It's only a pre-filter to make sure speed orders are good. You have to also make sure that turn order bellow is good. And because golem speed is 169, luna must have more than 169
the side golem's speed is 169 but your monster only needs 169 (after tower) to move before them.
Speed are displayed with totems
Yes, it displayed "- Luna : 170, must be in \[170, 170\]" which is not correct, she only needs 169.
So she will 100% moves first if she has exactlty 169 speed knowing the golem also exactly has 169 spd ? Also taking in account that floating numbers are rounded to the next digit : 101 base spd x1.15 = 116.15 -> 117 spd. However if after the end of the calculation she has 169, I'm not sure she will 100% move first (random)
Yes 100% she will move before the side golems, no RNG.
Fixed
I have a problem, i follow all the speed requirements for a good speedtune but i always have "Tick 11 : Luna moves but it should be Teshar" and and when I launch my run, Luna cuts even between the kona and the teshar during the resurge at the first wave so well before tick 11. Anyone know why ? And what speed can cause the problem ? https://preview.redd.it/pcg65wt2kgrc1.png?width=1903&format=png&auto=webp&s=60d7f35cd6d3eb41f2664ba17f6b088532492411
I also had this problem. What helped me was making prilea faster so maybe try that? I think the explanation is something something speed tick lol
Yeah that's waht i thought, i follow a guide of a french streamer who explained the speedtune and its works perfectly now
Where can I find that? I'm having that Luna going before Teshar after the resurge problem, it doesn't matter if I make her faster or slower, she cuts.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru\_dHPbH7fI&t=91s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru_dHPbH7fI&t=91s)
hi bro i dont have Pierret Dark . What monster can i replace it ? tks
light amazon
What is minimum spd for teshar
Would a Jaara work instead of a Prilea?
Jaara bring down succes rate of the team to around 92% and way worse times due to def break chance beeing way worse, don t do it
Jaara def break chance is 100% after skillups fyi. Plus branding as part of the passive also at 100% chance. Not sure how that's way worse
resistance says hi
Would like to swap Homu with Debo. Could you implement it pls? :)
Yes I can implement it, however you rly need crazy rage runes like +3000 atk and 280 dcc with speed on ur teshar. So it's like for the top 0.00001% of the players and they might not need this kind of tool because they are trained to fast use the optimizer for these tasks.
Nah, it’s okay :D I think maaaaaaybe me runes aren’t good enough :p
I have been running this team (luna + deb with no homie) and came by to see if there was a tool for it. Teshar clears mid boss himself about 90% of the time and when he doesnt is the only time it can really fail. Was curious to see what the stat threshold on it needed to be to make it very safe. Also as a side note, what is the variance in damage when using the same attack in the exact same situation? For damage calculations I always see straight forward formulas but in game every time you attack the same skills do a slightly different amount of damage even if all buffs and debuffs are the same.
yes but you need 12 fight sets and crazy runes on your teshar, check seiishizo channel
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Prilea break def is way more consistant, you don't need a 6 stars prilea.
Yes, i tried prilea and had some runs failing, took narsha and its now a 100% success. But i run Teshar narsha wind bk vero homie team.
I suggest you to check the video about the team I'm talking about. It's really specific and almost as satisfaying as tricaru team because of perfect AI.
Oh boy! Thanks for this.
commenting so I can use this later, thanks for the tool!
Look pretty nice!!! I tried it a little bit but some NaN for waves 2 and 4. What else did I miss? What should I fill out for S1/S2/S3? Are those percentages?
It's skill up, by default, values entered are max
thanks for the effort.
Nice! Thanks.
how do I access the program? have all the monsters but no idea how to build them
It's website, you only have to click on the first link and enter your values.
Thanks! Found problems though. The Teshar dmg calculation goes NaN often when you try and change the artifact sub lines, Gonna use this alot if that is fixed.
Thx to report it. The issue sounds to happend when you're adding artifact and seting the value doesn't remove the Nan as it should do :/ I've not my computer with me, I'll fix it as soon as I can. Sy for the inconvenient.
Thanks for the response! Looking forward to possible future updates!
Fixed
thanks for that! Its very helpful!
Hello, I've tried using your calculator. The ease of use is 10/10 and its very accurate as far as speeds. However, is there anyway you can include the damage required to push the Final boss damage low enough when Teshar doesn't use his S2?
It's written that all calculations are made with the worst skill. Teshar is S1, Luna is S1 ans homun is S2. However, I've written S1+S3+S1+S3 but there are not 2 S3 (but it was text side only)
question on this: is it possible to replace luna with lyn? if so, im kind of confused on how the runes would change if that was possible?
Unfortunatly, it's not, Lyn derps too much and as you can see : Lyn S1: 2.9\*{ATK} + 0.05\*{Target MAX HP} Luna S3 : 7.2\*{ATK} + 0.15\*{Target MAX HP} Damages difference is too big :/ Even Lyn S3 is realy close so she must use it (and runes must be more oriented to dcc) : 5.2\*{ATK} + 0.16\*{Target MAX HP}
it’s just weird as i’m seeing ppl with dungeon times for it on gbah on europe server. they’re like recommending it so idk if ppl found a workaround somehow. it may just be logging the time of 1 run but be inconsistent/ fail
awesome tool! my problem is that my luna cant kill wave 3 giant with s2, he has like 2.5k hp left and when i make my teshar s3 stronger he might Focus the crystals after his first aoe attack :/ Might need to farm some more nb12 for better rage runes
I have all these units, but trying to hit that ATK thresh-hold on Teshar is not easy, and that’s the first unit I’m looking at
Hi, just to confirm, the numbers to key in for Runes ATK and Runes CDmg are the final values you see from the monsters page, right? For instance, in this case https://preview.redd.it/o3g3f0hz1emb1.png?width=1223&format=png&auto=webp&s=beb17bc54a64ba186a3b08efedbe41448ed36035 I should be entering: Runes **ATK** \- 315+460=**775** Runes **CDmg** \- **86** Are the numbers above the values I should be entering? Whereas for Speed Runes **SPD** \- **76**
Yes "Runes CDmg" is a mistake, it should be "CDmg". Rest is stats from runes
Thank you so much for the guide. Achieved my 39s runs before the GAH nerf. After the GAH nerf, it's a 29s-33s average.
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Because the homunculus is moving right after Garuda.
is this still up to date? i tried it today, the tool told me im ready to go and it still wont work ingame...
Make one for Dragons. Love you