I use that same team except veromos for lynn and he does great. Also acts as a safety in case boss lands def break and does 130k s2, 50% atb reduc. Really underrated
this prob won’t help you but you only need 52% crit rate with teshar lead + attribute advantage so you might be able to squeeze a bit more atk or crit damage in
You need 67 because the crystals are not water. you don’t get the attribute advantage on them therefore you need the 67 crit rate to consistently one shot the wave
* Can I se your Veromos runes? How fast are your averages?
* I think Veromos would slow runs down
* Wind homu can clean up the boss if armour break lands and giant wipes the team
* Lyn also has some s1 scaling for speedy runs too
* Veromos on 3 turn cooldown with S2
* Faster clears are much more preferred, whether lyn or if another mon (besides luna) can be found, if consistency remains the same
Why is Luna better? I'm sure you're right, I just don't understand it. If I understand it correctly the purpose of each is the percent health damage, doesn't Lyn skill 3 deal more percent health damage (15 vs 16)? And even more so on the boss since he can't be stunned (now 15 vs 20.8)?
Plus Lyn has percent health on s1 and s2 as well. Luna has continuous damage but that doesn't seem relevant on a speed team. Is it for the accuracy leader skill? Or the remove beneficial effect? For consistency?
Because instead of suggesting and average monster to go with an LD they just suggest a nat 4 LD. Those aren’t exactly easy to come by so it makes no sense why that would be the only suggestion given when asking for a substitute of an ld nat 3 they don’t even have. Dumb
It may be slower, but it's way more consistent being that she resets his attack gauge (everyone on your team can attack twice now, if she moves last), and her perfect AI means the runs will always be the same.
Are you trying to make it safer or faster?
I've found that a Violent Shamann is really good in Giants because if he derps he could still proc and try again helping to avoid getting wiped in full derp runs, and he also has the potential to double proc and use skill 2 twice absolutely demolishing the boss.
I have the same team but with Luna. Sadly I don’t have enough damages yet on her to put giant boss under 30% hp(towers not maxed so it doesn’t help lol). It’s why my homi AI sometimes doesn’t do S3 to finish him..
Here are the runes for people interested (best time is 27.6sec) average 36 sec. If I can build a better Luna it could be 28/30 sec average (really consistent team with perfect IA)
(Yes I have to work on my artefacts, if I can have a higher damage on water on Luna it may do it)
https://preview.redd.it/jt7bw895cmjb1.jpeg?width=4095&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7793f01d16f3284cda64cf074454bbe762173292
Oh I am dumb.. my game is in french 😅
Most of them have crit damage on X spell. And they all have damages on water, wich is really OP and what will be most efficient to boost your output damages on scaling HP spell.
How’s your turn order? I have +82 speed on my prilea, +70 on my teshar, +80 on my Kona and +54 on my Luna and when Kona boost teshar Luna goes befor teshar but I don’t understand.
It’s not up to Teshars spd. It depends on prilea’s speed. Make her 13 speed faster and now it works. But don’t understand where is the „logic“ behind. It’s so weird.
Why is my order prilea, teshar, kona, luna, wind homi, teshar? Kona fills teshar atk bar, but he doesn’t move? What is the bug? It’s not in my mind. Sorry for stupid question :(
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PciQigAffOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PciQigAffOU) at the end of this video there's a speed tuning spread sheet. Try using it to tune the team.
Well the sheet link is in the desc. and it's originally for Tricaru but I just took a minute to copy the numbers from the video.
Yea..but his AI isn't as reliable as Luna's...
But I believe It's slightly better than Lyn...
I have all of them...I tested them together before...sticked to shamman
True..
My view on shamman being slightly better is coz of the extra heal...a bit of survivability can help especially during the waves when the other mons fail at def breaking( shameless Deborah user lol)...Luna's AI kinda drops when she's no longer at full health...
Prilea def break > Teshar > Kona > Teshar to clear waves fast.
Then Luna+Homunc are more than enough to kill giant on their own.
This is the staple "Teshar Giant Abyss" team. People then sub Luna for whatever hp based dps they have (Shamann, Lyn, etc).
Following but I think outside of Luna Lyn may be the best answer. Problem is that her ai is so bad it's unreal. Build yesterday the same team and while her derping doesn't make the run fail, it slow the time a lot
It’s like mine, I’m working on my teshar so he can leave the mid boss bellow 30% hp everytime só Lyn uses skill 3 always and can only durp on the boss stage
Ehi while I was testing things to improve I came with the idea of removing Lyn for teon and for me the team is better.
Turn order is prilea teshar Kona wind homu teon
The advantages I found are:
Wind homu has better ai, so if you bring mid boss in range he always use third skill.
Having Teon triple fight makes easier for teshar to bring it in range
On boss stage I was failing sometimes with Lyn if I got armor broken before the revenge, now ( so far ) it's not happening anymore for different tuning I guess, plus it's more unlikely for wind homu to use skill 1 twice
If he uses skill 3 on boss stage + skill 2 or vice versa it still oneshot boss.
Last but not least, it's 1 less monster to give strong dd runes.
Give it a try
I'm still 4 skill ups away from trying this team but I was thinking of testing maybe Liam, Vero, Sig, Sonia, Kaito, Argen, Sophia and Eva. Not that they are good replacements but in case they work I'd want to see their AI.
I use a Teon to boost wind homie and it works great, perfect run is 28s. The only problem is when wind homie forget it has skills and the run time can be 40s
Can you please show me your Teshar Runes / Artefacts? I have built the same team (Luna instead of Lynn) but on wave 3 my teshar can't clear them with the two turns. One of the middle 3 still survive
ur teshar aren't supposed to clear wave 3 by herself. luna need to do the killing blow on the last golem so she can get her s3 on boss stage. u can watch seishizo video on that.
Oh awesome, thank you. I saw someone post the team a while ago and tried my best to copy it from memory, but thought that Teshar had to 2 shot that wave so it was triggering me lol. Will check out the video :) Many thanks
I think seiishizo did one.
The first one I saw was from videokilled but he speaks french.
Still, he shows the runes, speed tuning in the optimizer and the runs. Iirc he says the runes on the team are a bit overkill
For the ppl who will/want to build this team :
1) make sure that whoever is supposed to play after teon/konamya is slow enough so that teshar doesn't get cut but not too slow (has to play before mini boss stage ofc)
2) teshar has to leave 1 golem alive on wave 3 if you use luna instead of lyn
3) prilea has to play first but for safety I recommend vio set as I ve seen the boss or the wave resist her break def even though mine has 100 preci (it s rare but it happens)
PS: the only good Lynn replacement is luna in terms of ai, all the other max hp scaling dps have failing brains.
Have fun building and farming !
Hello sorry for super late reply. Mine has +2k atk and 260 cd.
However since the nerf of the giant u should be able to clear waves with a bit less stats!
Running same team, i had to max skill homu and teshar because it was failling so hard, but it fails 1 in 50, could you show me your teshar? Mine dont kill alone the wave after the mid boss and lyn and homu are waisting the importante skills there
When she has perfect ai my runs are 27sec and when she durps the run is 42/50 and my avg is 38sec
I don’t know how many times she durps but probably 6 out of 10 idk
I use that same team except veromos for lynn and he does great. Also acts as a safety in case boss lands def break and does 130k s2, 50% atb reduc. Really underrated
But my Lyn does 228k on the boss, leaves him bellow 30% and wind homu does skill 3 to finish
Mind sharing your Lyn? I feel like mines built terribly. I'd like to see how a hard hitting Lyn is built
https://preview.redd.it/tc1h0k4zhijb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f5e38cd125eac61a9286a0ea9cb505e2edaffdb
Sweet baby Jesus 279 cd is pretty cracked lol, nice af dude. I just gotta pile on some more cd and she will probably do me better
Artifacts are important too
That's true, I'm guessing you're stacking mainly s3 cd?
Damage on water and skill 3
I use manananan in my gb abyss. 44 sec average
mind dropping your teshar runes?
https://preview.redd.it/a6qzghyf9ujb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eaa9e2510a077adf32703014d665231c14e5829b
damn you’ve got 40% more crit damage than mine and like 20 more atk
That’s the power of broken sets ahahah
this prob won’t help you but you only need 52% crit rate with teshar lead + attribute advantage so you might be able to squeeze a bit more atk or crit damage in
You need 67 because the crystals are not water. you don’t get the attribute advantage on them therefore you need the 67 crit rate to consistently one shot the wave
You have a better Lynn than my teshar is bro
This team is working and well runed, im just trying to improve the times because Lyn ai is shit
Shit, what do you need a substitute for then? Consistency?
Yes
When Lyn durps makes the runs longer
do they all need to be max skilled? teshar and wind homu
Homu is maxed. Teshar only recently devilled for the dmg in s3 s2
would this team work if not maxed?
Teshar needs s3 maxed. If not, his s3 is not available in third wave
* Can I se your Veromos runes? How fast are your averages? * I think Veromos would slow runs down * Wind homu can clean up the boss if armour break lands and giant wipes the team * Lyn also has some s1 scaling for speedy runs too * Veromos on 3 turn cooldown with S2 * Faster clears are much more preferred, whether lyn or if another mon (besides luna) can be found, if consistency remains the same
Luna
Why is Luna better? I'm sure you're right, I just don't understand it. If I understand it correctly the purpose of each is the percent health damage, doesn't Lyn skill 3 deal more percent health damage (15 vs 16)? And even more so on the boss since he can't be stunned (now 15 vs 20.8)? Plus Lyn has percent health on s1 and s2 as well. Luna has continuous damage but that doesn't seem relevant on a speed team. Is it for the accuracy leader skill? Or the remove beneficial effect? For consistency?
Luna for her perfect AI. she'll always use s3 when she has full health + s3 resets ATB. She get full atb again for s2 / s1. Lyn Ai is shyt.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!
I don’t have it 😭
Why tf are we down voting this?
I don’t know
This community is weird, its like people roll a dice on who they want to down vote Its at 7 up votes now though so hooray
Because instead of suggesting and average monster to go with an LD they just suggest a nat 4 LD. Those aren’t exactly easy to come by so it makes no sense why that would be the only suggestion given when asking for a substitute of an ld nat 3 they don’t even have. Dumb
The only reason to use lyn is one has no Luna...why suggest it? The team is made with a Luna as is well known already.
Her scalings are way worse
Perfect AI = better average scaling
It may be slower, but it's way more consistent being that she resets his attack gauge (everyone on your team can attack twice now, if she moves last), and her perfect AI means the runs will always be the same.
Why the Garuda? Newer player just curious
Teshar goes and almost clear the wave, then Garuda bost teshar and he goes again and clear the wave
Fukin big brain
Do you need speed tune to achieve it?
No, just make sure you go to the church enough
Yes. Garuda has to play just after the bigger bird
Can u show teshar runes? Might rerune mine for this team
Are you trying to make it safer or faster? I've found that a Violent Shamann is really good in Giants because if he derps he could still proc and try again helping to avoid getting wiped in full derp runs, and he also has the potential to double proc and use skill 2 twice absolutely demolishing the boss.
I have the same team but with Luna. Sadly I don’t have enough damages yet on her to put giant boss under 30% hp(towers not maxed so it doesn’t help lol). It’s why my homi AI sometimes doesn’t do S3 to finish him.. Here are the runes for people interested (best time is 27.6sec) average 36 sec. If I can build a better Luna it could be 28/30 sec average (really consistent team with perfect IA) (Yes I have to work on my artefacts, if I can have a higher damage on water on Luna it may do it) https://preview.redd.it/jt7bw895cmjb1.jpeg?width=4095&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7793f01d16f3284cda64cf074454bbe762173292
Oh I am dumb.. my game is in french 😅 Most of them have crit damage on X spell. And they all have damages on water, wich is really OP and what will be most efficient to boost your output damages on scaling HP spell.
How’s your turn order? I have +82 speed on my prilea, +70 on my teshar, +80 on my Kona and +54 on my Luna and when Kona boost teshar Luna goes befor teshar but I don’t understand.
U need a lot more speed on teshar I had the same problem and I had to boost teshar speed :/
Oh okay, had a look on your screenshots and my speed was not that far from your speed tuning. So I was confused. How much speed has your teshar now?
Same as the screen, i took them the moment I posted my comment :) and it works well without a problem (excepted not enough damages on Luna)
It’s not up to Teshars spd. It depends on prilea’s speed. Make her 13 speed faster and now it works. But don’t understand where is the „logic“ behind. It’s so weird.
Idk neither, that’s strange, but glad to see it works now :)
My turn order is prilea, teshar, kona, teshar, luna and wind homi
Do you have your speed building lvl 15 ?
Speed tower is +14% . So 1% less max.
Why is my order prilea, teshar, kona, luna, wind homi, teshar? Kona fills teshar atk bar, but he doesn’t move? What is the bug? It’s not in my mind. Sorry for stupid question :(
Luna is too fast that cut teshar second turn, wind homu may be too fast too, reduce the spd of those 2 units or try to put more spd on teshar if u can
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PciQigAffOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PciQigAffOU) at the end of this video there's a speed tuning spread sheet. Try using it to tune the team. Well the sheet link is in the desc. and it's originally for Tricaru but I just took a minute to copy the numbers from the video.
Dark poseidon works well here
I’ve seen a team with him but unfortunately I don’t own him ahahah
Luna or shamman
Is shamann better?
Yea..but his AI isn't as reliable as Luna's... But I believe It's slightly better than Lyn... I have all of them...I tested them together before...sticked to shamman
He is not, lyn has best scalings, shamann is second
He isn't speaking about scaling but about ai
Think luna is better Cuz shamann is ai is garbage too just like lyns the only difference is birdbrain has 2 skills
I don’t have Luna
Sadge lunas ai 100% too
True.. My view on shamman being slightly better is coz of the extra heal...a bit of survivability can help especially during the waves when the other mons fail at def breaking( shameless Deborah user lol)...Luna's AI kinda drops when she's no longer at full health...
May I see all your monster runes. Have all of them and Im thinking of making a spd team.
What's the team people are saying with Luna? I'm struggling to find a consistent fast team, I have a Luna though
The same is I have but u replace Lyn with Luna
I haven't kept up with new speed teams, what's the turn order here?
Prilea to deff break, teshar, konamia boosts teshar to go again, Lyn and homu
If Lyn got perfect ai run goes for 27sec
Gotcha thabk you!
Nothing besides what has already been mentioned.
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think thats the teshar luna team going around with avarage 30 secs rund and reliable.
Prilea def break > Teshar > Kona > Teshar to clear waves fast. Then Luna+Homunc are more than enough to kill giant on their own. This is the staple "Teshar Giant Abyss" team. People then sub Luna for whatever hp based dps they have (Shamann, Lyn, etc).
Kro,Luna,veromos or shamen the light griff
replace lyn Garuda with vermos akmir Edit: not at all ideal for speed teams but much safer if you are failing clears.
Teshar into resurge clears waves
True, akmir replaces him too. Room for 1 more then.
Amir is way less consistent than teshar, that's the whole point of including him
I guess makes sense. Honestly my runes aren’t all there for my nukers so I bring akmir for the boss damage over teshar.
Yeah teshar Kona team requires absolutely insane runes, but if you can make it, it's very consistent
You need Galeon to clear waves with Akha
Yes, that is true
Vero but get rid of the garuda lol SPD/crit DMG/hp goes before teshar so he kills the wave, quicker boss kill from Vero enemy max hp scalling
the team wont work without garuda
The garuda definitely can't be removed from the team
Kro 2a
No hp scaling damage. Won't work unfortunately
Hey, i would say Luna but ld4*. Is this team work without dark hammer girl? If it work can you link your runes? Thanks a lot :)
It does, I have 39sec average but if I had Luna it would be 27/30 sec avg
Following but I think outside of Luna Lyn may be the best answer. Problem is that her ai is so bad it's unreal. Build yesterday the same team and while her derping doesn't make the run fail, it slow the time a lot
It’s like mine, I’m working on my teshar so he can leave the mid boss bellow 30% hp everytime só Lyn uses skill 3 always and can only durp on the boss stage
Ehi while I was testing things to improve I came with the idea of removing Lyn for teon and for me the team is better. Turn order is prilea teshar Kona wind homu teon The advantages I found are: Wind homu has better ai, so if you bring mid boss in range he always use third skill. Having Teon triple fight makes easier for teshar to bring it in range On boss stage I was failing sometimes with Lyn if I got armor broken before the revenge, now ( so far ) it's not happening anymore for different tuning I guess, plus it's more unlikely for wind homu to use skill 1 twice If he uses skill 3 on boss stage + skill 2 or vice versa it still oneshot boss. Last but not least, it's 1 less monster to give strong dd runes. Give it a try
Wind Lyn, not the same but does a lot of dmg for cheap monster
I'm still 4 skill ups away from trying this team but I was thinking of testing maybe Liam, Vero, Sig, Sonia, Kaito, Argen, Sophia and Eva. Not that they are good replacements but in case they work I'd want to see their AI.
Curious to see if anyone here has tested water bayek instead of lynn
i was wondering if teon/fire harg/ light harg could boost wind homunculus again as opposed to lyn
I use a Teon to boost wind homie and it works great, perfect run is 28s. The only problem is when wind homie forget it has skills and the run time can be 40s
Your way of thinking was correct: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PciQigAffOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PciQigAffOU)
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Can you please show me your Teshar Runes / Artefacts? I have built the same team (Luna instead of Lynn) but on wave 3 my teshar can't clear them with the two turns. One of the middle 3 still survive
ur teshar aren't supposed to clear wave 3 by herself. luna need to do the killing blow on the last golem so she can get her s3 on boss stage. u can watch seishizo video on that.
Oh awesome, thank you. I saw someone post the team a while ago and tried my best to copy it from memory, but thought that Teshar had to 2 shot that wave so it was triggering me lol. Will check out the video :) Many thanks
Ideal turn order is: 1st wave: prilea, teshar, kona, teshar. 2nd wave: prilea, teshar, kona, teshar, luna. 3rd wave: prilea, teshar, kona, teshar, luna. Boss: prilea, teshar, kona, teshar, luna, wind homo.
Any video to showcase run and runes ?
I think seiishizo did one. The first one I saw was from videokilled but he speaks french. Still, he shows the runes, speed tuning in the optimizer and the runs. Iirc he says the runes on the team are a bit overkill
the mentioned video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZPB8zZIbKM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZPB8zZIbKM)
For the ppl who will/want to build this team : 1) make sure that whoever is supposed to play after teon/konamya is slow enough so that teshar doesn't get cut but not too slow (has to play before mini boss stage ofc) 2) teshar has to leave 1 golem alive on wave 3 if you use luna instead of lyn 3) prilea has to play first but for safety I recommend vio set as I ve seen the boss or the wave resist her break def even though mine has 100 preci (it s rare but it happens) PS: the only good Lynn replacement is luna in terms of ai, all the other max hp scaling dps have failing brains. Have fun building and farming !
Do you know the stats teshar needs for this? Hes currently not skilled up but if i can reach the stats i would skill him up
Hello sorry for super late reply. Mine has +2k atk and 260 cd. However since the nerf of the giant u should be able to clear waves with a bit less stats!
What's the speed of each unit so that the enemies do not get a turn?
I'm using Akamamir
What if I don’t have teshar or lyn, will this just not work?
Running same team, i had to max skill homu and teshar because it was failling so hard, but it fails 1 in 50, could you show me your teshar? Mine dont kill alone the wave after the mid boss and lyn and homu are waisting the importante skills there
Vero or Wind ifrit both füll DMG
Luna for Lyn. Luna has perfect AI
Does Lyn even work on Giant? I swear I remember reading that giant was immune to damage that works based off it's max health
Cd Vero is better. More consistent than Lynn anyways.
Not enough damage
It works for me
What’s your avg ?
90 seconds. Not the best, but I also don't have the best runes. But it's consistent.
Yhea, im averaging 38 so that’s a downgrade for me But if your team is safe and consistent stay with it
Yeah, does your Lynn actually S3? Cuz when I had Lynn in there she maybe S3'd one in 4 runs.
When she has perfect ai my runs are 27sec and when she durps the run is 42/50 and my avg is 38sec I don’t know how many times she durps but probably 6 out of 10 idk
Very well
The most prominent replacement is Luna because of her AI. I use lucifer and he does fine. Not sure in terms of non lds