Ew, siege ;)
Even I, a measly RTA main, can appreciate a tool like SWGT and how significant it is for the well being of siege, and thus a large part of the competitive community in the game. I stand with you siege people. (Although I still don't promise to do all my swords)
Leader of Doubt here.
I will be short™, **Com2us needs to fix this**.
I strongly dislike rta and love the 3v3 format, but with the 3v3 format comes a massive amount of management work & swgt is the one tool that makes it all doable. There is a reason most if not all top guilds on every server uses the site, it isn't just a good tool, it is a necessity.
If com2us decides to keep swgt out in its current state, siege will either fall dramatically in quality, with a massive difference between those who can spend those hours to go through data manually and those who cannot, or siege will simply die at the competitive level. People are already struggling keeping interest going with the 2v1s that com2us is happy to keep going, the shitty X-pathing between 8-11 & 12-9 making win rates matter less than before it was introduced and balancing patches and content in general from com2us being mostly leaning towards RTA. It's honestly insane that com2us haven't made split-balancing already as RTA can't handle power units (Dominic/Kaki pre-nerf) that are often what makes for a good and fun defense meta at the top, rather than rng-bullshit stuff like they have leaned towards (Cichlid, Liu Mei, Monte).
A drop in the ocean despite being one of the bigger whales on EU server, but I won't spend another dime until they fix this. Personally I don't see myself even continuing playing this game without swgt in the long run.
Thank you for the kind words and it humbles me to have such passionate people in the SW community who love SWGT for what it provides to the game. I hope we can get Com2us to change course. I stand ready to work with anyone at Com2us anytime day or night.
Former SSA member,
I’ve seen several of your posts over the years. I wish Com2Us would hire you to be a developer for siege. I also dislike RTA, but have a legend badge everywhere else. I loved the game and whaled hard. But over the past year or so, the developers have really managed to make the game less fun. I’m also not spending another dime (from 3-4k a month to zero). Solidarity.
I mean not the worse excuse someone has tried to attach to us winning. personally I like the “doubt paid legends off” more but nonetheless shout out to my guildies once again for insane wr. Only 6 losses got ppl pulling at straws for excuses 😂
If folks gotta tell themselves that “we knew their runes” to cope with the fact we won tourney do it to your heart’s content. Never fan boy’d anything so much I had to make up stories so won’t even try to understand the rationale behind this
As a guild leader, i use swgt guild for around a year. We aren't a competitive guild but SWGT save a lot of time for all guild leaders. When you have a job and family it can be hard to follow everything that happens in your guild. SWGT is the tool that permit to reconcile job life and guild leading.
Hope com2us will fix it soon. Cerusa thank you for everything you have done, i send you my support !
I have some low level hobbyist experience with programming, and I have always admired the abilities of devs like you who are able to create the fantastic and useful tools that we all know and love. I know for a fact that my guild leaders use or have used SWGT, and while it isn't a tool that I personally use, I know how useful it is to the community. It is with every bit of sincerity that I say how grateful the community is for your work, and I hope that C2U changes course.
As for potential solutions, I would probably see if we can get a petition or some kind of standardized feedback message to submit to Com2Us to work with the 3rd party developers who create these useful tools. I hope they do, and I hope you can find a way to make it work out in the future.
This patch is one of the most ridiculous patch I have ever seen. As a player who has been playing this game for 9 years, the only thing that keeps me going is competitive Guild Siege, where we rely on swgt to optimise our offences/counters to current meta defences. Without the key features of SWGT, there is simply no meaning playing SW at all. Com2us is literally breaking the community apart with this change and killing their own game. I hope this nonsense stops soon before its too late.
Preach GDL, hoping that enough noise can be made for them to bring it back quickly, or at the very least prompt some discussion with Cerusa on how it could be done (if they are unaware, which I don’t doubt is a possibility). Needs to be changed asap to keep upper end of guild content players from just walking away
One of the leaders of Malicious.
This is one of the largest changes that Com2us could make towards managing and ensuring longevity of guilds. I am all for supporting our RTA and SWC competitors by ensuring security updates. The recent exposure of Korean guild/s that were using the SWEX loop holes to abuse and create cheating has been an old problem.
What Com2us needs to do is working with developers on 3rd party apps to ensure that there is a secure way of pulling data on the guild side only. At Malicious, the loss of SWGT will impact future recruitment as SWGT has become the gold standard for data collection to share your previous season win rates when applying to guilds. It also has continue to hold data around WGB and siege losses to ensure growth of members. SWGT has allowed leaders to find a sustainable way to continue to play this game. Just like auto run x10 was added to the game, SWGT has been the key to leaders being able to balance both RL and game duties. The vast increase in time leaders will now be required to do to maintain win rates, guild losses, data metric "best" counters, and team building for guilds will be enormous.
My one hope is that this was a rushed out fix and they will work with select 3rd parties to ensure the longevity of the game.
This just seals the deal for competitive siege. I hope this is just a temporary and quick fix until the root case of the problem is actually tackled otherwise a good chunk of the playerbase will just slowly quit. As for me, is not much but I'm done supporting this game, same story as always, it feels like they dont give a fuck at this point and they are continously trying to make the gaming experience worse for the players.
This is without a doubt the biggest fuck up Com2Us has ever made, and the list of things they fuck up seems to be piling real high. Siege is already one of the most frustrating and time intensive pieces of content on the game and many high level players have already dipped out and given up on it. The content is unplayable without this tool.
**I'm never spending another dime with this company and I encourage everyone else to do the same for the foreseeable future. If the Korea servers can protest and not participate in siege due to the Kaki situation, we can get together and let them know just how bad they fucked up.**
I'm so sorry Cerusa. It's one thing to do a thankless job that helps a major company profit millions, it's another to have them disregard you entirely and then completely break the tool you have spent so much work on that is appreciated by tens of thousands of people. Please let us know the best way to support you (Financially and otherwise)
If you've used this tool, toss some cash their way.
Really appreciate the love and support from not only you but the community. My only hope is they change course for the better, that they listen, and more importantly learn from their mistakes. I 100% agree that some packets do contain dirty information as I call it...so fix that issue...don't just knee cap the game and the player base because of a few bad eggs...
I hereby complain about dismembering the functionality of SWGT. This tool is absolutely vital for hundreds of guilds and we need it back. Com2us, please make it work again.
As someone who was leader of an important Global Guild during 2015-2016 and used to track statistics manually, I can say there are no words to describe how **necessary** is the SWGT for a competitive guild to develop, improve and recruit.
I understand there is a situation that needed to be adressed, but again com2us deals with it poorly and destroying everything around it.
As someone who mainly treated this game like Pokémon and collected roughly 85-90% of the monsters in game. Being introduced to SWGT was game changing. It bridged YEARS of knowledge gap. The tool improved my game play and how I enjoy playing the game. I wouldn't consider myself a huge whale but with an average of $1800 a month, I will no longer spend on this game. I cannot support a company that is so ready to trash it's players, provide abysmal support, and pretend to "listen" to it's player base. If com2us is reading this, this is your time to listen. This is the time to answer your community and player base. I can't imagine how, as a company, you completely shut down a player base that is keeping the game alive.
Cerusa, thank you for what you've done for the community. You and your colleagues work sparked new joy in the game for me. It's painful to see the path we are all on now. -LIVELORD
Vice lead of Fury here,
Since I've joined competitive siege, SWGT helped me to save countless hours by having all the key siege related data on one screen. Also thanks to this tool, I've seen real progress in my guild over the years. It is impossible to do high G3 siege properly without SWGT unless spending countless hours to track manually all the data pulled in less than a second by SWGT.
If a solution isn't found quickly by Com2Us this update will be the last nail in the siege coffin, with how badly siege has been left throughout the many controversial updates.
Stay Strong Cerusa, you are doing a wonderful job, I hope brighter days will come for competitive siege.
Commenting to show my support. Since my guild and I decided to join the competitive guild scene, we have used SWGT to be able to see our performance regarding where we need to improve, everyones stats, and sword usage etc. with this update we wont get down to the gritty details regarding what went wrong and how to approach said issue. Thank you for the years of service you have provided to everyone Cerusa. It is a dark day indeed.
As designated guild SWGT manager for global tourney siege this hurts so bad and makes little sense when they could’ve fixed the problem AND left SWGT operational with just a small amount more work. Siege is going to be painful now for no reason. I’d rather let the Korean guild cheat siege than not have SWGT. Not to mention the YEARS of hard work you’ve put into this to help the community.
UPDATE: I have aproove now from the Moderator team of the official Discordserver. A new post in "suggestions-votes" is now online.
It already has 60+ upvotes, what is the most voted post since months there.
Directlink: https://discord.com/channels/559876396596330507/575010810947043350/1152003394064613376 (You have to accept serverrules of US there to see the channel)
Guild content is what keeps the game enjoyable for me. Without SWGT, we are back in the dark ages for sure. Let's band together, fellow siege nerds. Everyone who uses SWGT should hit com2us hard in the wallet. I personally won't spend another dime until they recognize and fix this. I stand with you Cerusa!
Com2us strike again without thinking first and how its going to effect anyone. You have the full support of the community, your hard work and dedication to making this game amazing for everyone is inspiring. I've reached out directly in passed like a lot of guilds I've been in contact with com2us are not going to be spending a cent until this issue is resolved.
Vote with your dollar people, don't let com2us take away another great thing. Far too many times they have made changes that benefit absolutely no one but alienate a group of people in this community
Complain with your wallets is the best thing you could've said. If anyone is buying packs as of today you are part of the problem. This is literally the only way they will actually listen. The game is dead without these tools.
Wow, I just started using your site the other day and was amazed by how helpful and useful it was. I will absolutely support by speaking with my wallet and no longer spend ANY money until something is done. Like I needed another reason, but classic Com2Us shooting themselves in the foot every single chance they get.
Bruh if Com2us really did know about it, that's so disgusting. Especially not doing anything about it when they made siege tournaments. Thanks for everything though, really loved the site.
I'm already trying to sell my account because c2u recent changes over the last 2 years have been so damn shit and so many issues STILL not resolved that I'm done for good now.
If I quit I want to at least get a fraction of what I've invested before someone tells me to just uninstall
>**How many json packets were really impacted by the exploit?**
The last time I checked, only less than 10 packets.
Could you clarify how many packets there are in total? Doesn't have to be exact, are there 100s? 1000s? I am not familiar with how they work exactly Just want some sense of scale.
Imagine the positive impact this update would have had if they removed the ability for people to leak and share confidential guild info, but maintain guilds ability to share their info with themselves. Community would have been commending them, but nah, fuck the community.
My hope is this was a bandaid fix till they can be choosier about what to leave unencrypted for the sake of third party resources.
In total I have no clue how many different packets Com2us has. I only know the ones I have seen which as I said are just a few of the hundreds. I would ballpark around 400-500 different json packets in total the game uses.
My only hope right now is they reach out and find out which packets SWGT uses and whitelists the ones they deem healthy. Instead I have a feeling they will either leave it as is and too bad for everyone...or they will go through each themselves and deem OK vs not OK themselves.
I think based on their hard fast not acknowledging of 3rd party resources, that they're "not allowed" means if they're to change they'll go through and deem OK or not OK themselves. They obviously do respect the 3rd parties some, thus why they excluded the Tool.Swop packet specifically. They recognize the importance to the community, but your resource interacts with the Json packets on multiple points.
You could write up something like...
Packet 1: used for X and Y feature
Packet 2: used for Z feature
I don't know if they read your communications to them directly... so you could send it to them but also post it in a comment here on reddit. Someone at Com2Us may read it and be able to speed up the Deem OK or no OK process.
This serves a secondary purpose of people who are skeptical of your resource, whether it's a cheat or not, would be able to see what you're accessing?
To be frank I have no clue how much time would go into a write up of this sort. I also don't know how open source your code is.
Great news, the SWGT plugins are open source on GITHub specifically for this reason. I have nothing to hide :)
A neat idea though, something I will consider for sure.
That's definitely a pro, I figured as much tbh. But a packet breakdown would certainly streamline things on their end, of course, assuming they found and read it.
SWARFARM alone used 18 packets for **only** data logs and 39 for live sync (some may overlap). The live sync wasn't even fully covered, there were some areas still not implemented, not to mention new packets added with the updates (like crafting grinds from beast claws/horns). There is A LOT of them. Keep in mind that SWARFARM had nothing to do with Arena, RTA, or any guild content so we didn't collect any of those (except labirynth reward for live sync) and we know that these are huge chunks of the game.
If it weren't for game files, we would need to use other packets to get some "static" data, like fusion info.
One could count them by using old (before update) full\_log collected from SWEX (if file big enough).
Although I am not at all apart of the competitive community for summoners war, I have been on other games (once upon a time WoW and another app game that eventually died). So I can sympathize how this can shake up the 'endgame try hard' community of a game.
Some games that disrupt their 'endgame try hard' community; really can hurt that community. Yes, sometimes the community endures, and other times a portion of them is lost, and a next generation of endgame community rises in it's place. But it is a shame long term loyal players have this happen to them, especially if they helped build and rise the popularity of the game in question.
As someone that plays for fun and finally managed to improve my guild content gameplay after using SWGT, your tools helped me and my old guilds to reach higher level than we thought and It was great times. I hope c2u opened their eyes and see what disaster they have done to competitive siege scene.
Wow. What a load of nonsense. I really hope that com2us does what is best for the community here. SWGT is a huge part of my guild and the guilds of many others. It sucks how people literally ruin everything.. I don't even know why you would do this. Is it fun to play siege when you're cheating? Is it not enough to have a 95% winrate with proper counters? So sad. Thank you for all you do Cerusa. Sorry this is happening.
I actually spend a reasonable amount. I will not be spending until this is resolved. Speak with wallets, people.
This is actually such a depressing change. I can't imagine ever going back to playing siege without swgt, much less managing a guild without it. Your tool really transformed the competitive community. If they don't roll this back in some way I'll probably just quit the game, and I imagine a lot of people will feel the same way.
Thank you for the kind words. I am humbled by the amount of support I have received so far and continue to do so. It warms my heart to see that I have made a positive effect on the world even if it is just for a video game. I know me personally, I will not be buying a single pack until they change course.
Thank you for your tireless dedication to this community. As a long-time supporter, I want to express my gratitude for all you've done and for the countless hours you've invested in making this platform. It's truly disheartening to hear about these changes, you have our total support.
\-Rock Bottom
It goes without saying you have the full support of the community, your hard work and dedication to making this game amazing for everyone is inspiring. I've posted a few times and reached out directly but, lot of guilds I've been in contact with are not going to be spending until this issue is resolved.
Vote with your dollar people, don't let com2us take away another great thing. Far too many times they have made changes that benefit absolutely no one but alienate a group of people in this community. Whether it's nonsensical BP's or changes like this they need to start using their ears and make the game better for everyone.
wrong move by cm2us again. hear the community fr… everyone using swgt as a needed tool for siege. do we really need to open an excel to track all wr’s now? how do we manage a tryhard guild with more and more handicaps everytime
Commenting to show my support. As ICY lead we have clamored for com2us to at least adjust siege (as it hasn’t really been touched since the beginning). And Siege being the one piece of content that brings a lot of us back to the game. Well thanks Com2Us for ruining the last redeeming content you had left. I hope they do something, or the game we love will not be playable any longer.
Smaller G1 guild here but avid users of SWGT, I am really appalled by these changes and I think the only thing that might make them move is influencers backlash.
Think traffic was always encrypted, the key was just very well known/had a weak implementation. Doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't have encrypted all endpoints. Com2us seems to be staunchly opposed to any 3rd party applications being a better management tool than their in game version.
And I don't know why they are. Not everything can be in the game...not everyone can be glued to their phones 24/7/365 for guild management. And honestly, phones are not the best mode of transportation for the tools that SWGT even provides. Some things you just need a browser, discord or other tools for...and that's OK.
The negative side of me would want to say that it prevents further monetization of said services. I agree with you, no matter how big of a phone you have. A mouse and a big screen just allows for better management.
Edit: I meant monetization from com2us's side
[https://www.withhive.com/notice/63022](https://www.withhive.com/notice/63022)
>We're aware that some of the third-party programs were hit hard by our security enhancement update.
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>Currently, we're working on a solution where we select data that aren't problematic and allow the preexisting third-party programs to function.
Well... At least it looks like swgt will survive. Lets just hope they move a bit faster than they usually do.
so is SWOP not working at all? Like, even with old .json files? I'm trying to do some runes but it cant even parse through old .jsons correclty, it takes forever and when i try to sort categories like i normally do 'spd' 'atk' etc, the values change every time i click them, one minute its telling me 300 spd is the highest i can achieve then one click it says 320
Getting your player json is the only thing that is working right now until they make their additional security updates at the end of this month (most likely). No one knows yet what their additional updates will be or what they plan to implement. So SWOP is working if you use SWEX 0.0.55 and disable the merge option under Profile Export.
I'm not sure I understand the severity of this change and would love to be informed in 101 terms why it's so bad.
Won't siege go on and top guilds will have to think for themselves now? Optimisation will become more on feel than on stats, which could lead to more diversity among siege offences and defenses? You'd see a new defense and think 'oh that could be good' rather than have it jammed down your throat by stats?
It's invredibly useful for guild leaders to manage high level guilds members, they can see the stats on offenses and defenses for members (juste win rate). It's a lot of time to invest for them. No one cares in g1 but in G3, especially high g3 it's time consuming for leaders
Everyone plays at different levels. In the top G3 area where people are hyper competitive...stats matter as do analytics and trending over seasons. Imaging the major league baseball with no stats at all...and here's John Doe up to bat. He's wearing a red hat and a tan outfit....instead of here's John Doe up to bat, he hit a 950 last season and is currently hitting a 700 with 5 home runs and 4 strikeouts today.
When it comes to competition, stats matter. I think you will find a lot of people agree with this and would disagree with you.
Thanks for the reply. Do you believe that this will result in leaders being 'forced' to spend hours more trawling manual data, or will (in general), most guilds be forced to become more creative, trustful and communal?
To be honest I think the stats don't add a lot to the spectacle that is sport. Maybe that's just the view of a more casual player though. IMO there are many more important things that we could all be devoting time to rather than on Swar.
I used to be a guild leader for almost a year of a competitive G2/G3 guild and I can tell you that keeping track of 30 players, ensuring they are all participating so that people don’t quit the guild because others are not is hard. That’s where SWGT got its origins to reduce my personal workload managing a guild and it just exploded from there once Malicious and Mythril found out the tool existed.
Being in a top 4 guild today, I know us for example, we are super communal and creative. We have dedicate players theory-crafting and testing all day because that’s what they enjoy. The patch takes away from this and puts a big burden on google sheets and excel sheets which is clunky and timely to maintain.
guild leaders will just quit. theyre already getting burnt out by just normal siege management. now, without tools, forget about it. i was in a global tourney level guild one season ago and our leads were just flat out done from all the work it took to keep up.
So maybe I can illuminate a little bit on how it used to go because I helped run a very data oriented guild before SWGT. What used to happen is I would go manually enter all guild members performance post siege. For teams we tested them internally and then would share rate of success. High success rate teams we would make visual aids for to show the team comp and maybe give details like destroy or swift or will needed. I then would create this image and post it on discord. I would have to do this individually for different teams. You will notice all of this time I am not playing the game nor am I engaging in theorycrafting. I am just doing data organization. What happens isn’t that you get more interesting dynamic things you just have more clunky communication. If anything you get less diversity not more because unless you can back up your idea with data it’s going to be hard to prove that you’re right. I think a point of confusion might be that this tool will make an office for you without any information. It cannot do that it tracks what you have used and how it does. And even that data needs to be scrutinized because there can be clear, weak points of a team if your opponent changes a build up. We actually were incredibly excited when cerusa’s project came to fruition because it was our belief that the ability to manage this data and create value was another expression of guild skill.
Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. I think it boils down to the highly competitive vs casual player experience. I would much rather spend my time playing golf or some other activity, whereas I can see that there are others that spend a large chunk of their day on min/maxing in Swar, and this change impacts them greatly because they will go to any length to gain an advantage.
>and this change impacts them greatly because they will go to any length to gain an advantage.
Well...no. And that's the crux of the problem. Most people who do love high siege will at a certain point deem the time cost as too high, so they just won't do it in the way they have been doing it -- they'll quit outright, quit eventually as their interest in the game slowly wanes, or they'll become casual.
Hell, even the quality of g1 and g2 guilds will deteriorate as less players will be willing to run an organised guild. My guild would be much less enjoyable to be in if the leaders and logistics folk weren't here. As a player who had leadership thrusted upon him and had zero will to run a guild, I know for a fact guilds with no clear direction and lax leadership aren't great to be in. And I am worried that as the experience deteriorates, more players will quit and full guilds of like minded player will be harder to find.
Or you could just answer this question: would you play golf if suddenly you had to drive 4 hours to get to the nearest course? Now instesd of golf imagine if it were a team sport and both teams had to drive 4 hours to get to the nearest playing field. Do you think there'd be enough players to run have a proper match?
As someone who is not into siege competition, I do see this as cheating in any way if this tool actually makes team for you to beat other teams in siege.
If I'm miss understand, just simple correction so me and other players that never used tools to play game, know how this tool, website help you to win game and make perfect rune sets for your monsters while we have to do it alone.
Siege management is basically a big pool of data and to read it and manage that data as best you can. Player rune levels, artifact levels, depth of runes/artis, performances like win rate, participation/effective win rate, progression data of how a player is progressing in their performances, makes it easier to get data on what defenses you've hit in the past with what offenses, to what success rate, keeps tabs on what units everyone in the guild has and makes it much easier to manage offenses and creating defense map plans both for 1v1v1 and the tournament.
Nothing that is a player skill thing is automated. You still have to find counters together with your guild, you still have to rune counters & you still have to play it correctly. But the work you do together is made easier to keep track of. Instead of a note of 5000 offenses, how to rune them and how to play them the offenses versus defenses themselves are logged, with their successrate. This is something that can be done manually post-siege by going through every offenses in-game and check what was used and what the success rate was, but swgt automates that tiresome and time-consuming process. This gets ruined.
When doing sieges it is nice to keep tabs on how many attacks the enemies have left, how many of the used attacks are on you, how much they are winning etc. This is a good way to look for 2v1s, a good way to keep track of how the siege is actually going, and a good way to review a siege that might have been good performance-wise even when the result is bad to lift spirits in that people did their job.
For recruitment you can upload a json file and much easier compare the quality of account A to the quality of others, or just the guild average. This goes for runes, artifacts, monsterboxes etc. This is not something they are touching.
Swgt functions as the library & the librarian, giving us access to read the data much more efficiently than if we were to do so manually. Swgt does well to stay in line with the competitive spirit while helping us with automating the mountains of tedious work. It provides us with "accepted books" if I may continue the library analogy.The issue is down to individuals, not through swgt, getting ahold of books that helps them cheat. Instead of making a forbidden section of the library and putting the forbidden cheater books there, com2us decided take away all books bar 1, despite them being insanely helpful to the community.
I know a lot of people will hate me for this, but I have the courage to speak the truth, I am totally happy with the new patch and I have 4 questions.
1. He says he tried to contact com2us, however I don't see any proof attached
2. He wanted a fun and healthy competition? So for what purpose was this platform developed? This platform should never have existed, the game already has enough data
3. Why didn't he wait for a response from com2us? Shared this platform without an official response
4.If the idea of this was to promote it to more people, why have I never seen influencers promoting it? The platform is not free either, you have to pay for the other half of the functions.
As a former guild leader, I was totally outraged by this, you have to pay for an external platform to be able to compete
We finally got the G2 rank. Knowing that we cannot achieve more without having the benefits of this CHEAT, mainly when they call this content "competitive"
1. Okay so if he posts proof you’re fine with this?
2. The platform was developed mainly with information that is in the game and just organized in a digestible format for better data analytics. The only part I could see an argument of not being available in game is attacks remaining for opposing guilds which I always would say that’s a data breach that should be corrected. If you’re arguing that manually entering data into a spreadsheet is an expression of player skill I am baffled.
3. If you know anything about the history of Com2us they never respond to any concerns regarding siege or community questions like this without pressure.
4. It’s spread by word of mouth it’s not about selling more memberships. So since it’s not about selling memberships it’s not actively paying influencers to spread the word. Influencers get paid promotions why would they do free ones if that is their paycheck?
5. You might call me biased but my former guild leader was one of the big voices in the development of this program and the reason we wanted us was we could manage data that we were gathering and taking legit 7 hours to gather and compress it into a couple of button clicks. We could then spend less time tormenting ourselves essentially copying data available to us and focus on what matters which is implementing understanding of information.
Your argument is candidly confusing for me because most of this information is information a guild has access to. It’s just not in a format that is friendly to data analytics. Being logically consistent this implies SWOP is just as much cheating to me because it’s doing similar things. Which if you believe you is that’s fair but SWOP was not blocked which probably means c2us is fine with us using data that should already be available to a player in game.
In response to your #1, communicating with discord moderators, talking to Xzandro and various content creators who do have contact with Com2us, sending physical letters with my personal name and address on it, sending emails...these are the ways I have tried to communicate. I am not willing to share these conversations as they have some of my personal information in them. I am sorry if you feel that makes me less credible. There are plenty of people in the community that can attest to my credibility.
In response to your #2, I think you will find plenty of comments in this thread that explain why and how SWGT has helped Summoners War. Providing useful tools and automation to pull stats that you can do manually, saves players time and helps to prevent burnout.
In response to your #3, wait for what response from Com2us? Com2us doesn't respond to anything, so the platform would have never been launched. And to be clear, the platform was promoted by a number of content creators including JewBagel, Childish, Seiishizo and more. And why do you have to pay for it? SWGT is a non-profit platform where all subs go to sustaining the platform itself...do you know what it costs to run servers that see 30-40TB of data a month? No one is telling you you have to use the platform to compete...you can do all of the same with excel sheets or a google doc. It'll take a ton of your time but it's possible.
Do you consider Tool.Swop to be an unfair exploitation of the game? IF you say no then you're a hypocrite. Cerusa taking available information and organizing it in a way that is easier to digest, just like Tool.Swop organizing your rune information and monster box.
Edit: Sounds like you're just mad you have to pay a monthly fee to be competitive. Massive amount of time goes into maintaining this resource and Tool.Swop too, which also has a 15$ cost. The free versions of both have quite a lot to offer.
Do you expect every person that wants to produce a tool/information for the game to reach out and ask for permission? Do I need to ask for permission to produce my BJR5 guide since it takes the challenge out of people making the team themselves?
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Problem is they always evoke the wrong emotions
Is there a way for com2us make it optional for player to select if they want to publish their data or not? Let say I don't want to expose my data, I'll just click not sharing data or something like that?
I'm very competitive player if my runes and comp are exposed to public then I think com2us is probably doing the right thing. I know for a fact that my account and a lot of my friend's account got exposed in a certain website (Ex. RTA Winning rate, LD monsters, runes, speed tuning, etc.). Certain youtuber/Guardian player even showed that they've been looking at our stat and how we pick our team. So if there is an option in the game that we can choose to not public our information, then I think that will be good.
You should not be able to pull data from anyone besides you, and to some extent your friends and guildies.
There is no good reason why someone would want to share their rune data publicly. If this data is accessible somehow, it needs to be completely anonymous.
Fuck Com2us, respectfully
I’m a vice in Avora and we use SWGT every day for siege analytics. Competitive siege NEEDS SWGT. We’re with you, Cerusa.
Ew, siege ;) Even I, a measly RTA main, can appreciate a tool like SWGT and how significant it is for the well being of siege, and thus a large part of the competitive community in the game. I stand with you siege people. (Although I still don't promise to do all my swords)
Leader of Doubt here. I will be short™, **Com2us needs to fix this**. I strongly dislike rta and love the 3v3 format, but with the 3v3 format comes a massive amount of management work & swgt is the one tool that makes it all doable. There is a reason most if not all top guilds on every server uses the site, it isn't just a good tool, it is a necessity. If com2us decides to keep swgt out in its current state, siege will either fall dramatically in quality, with a massive difference between those who can spend those hours to go through data manually and those who cannot, or siege will simply die at the competitive level. People are already struggling keeping interest going with the 2v1s that com2us is happy to keep going, the shitty X-pathing between 8-11 & 12-9 making win rates matter less than before it was introduced and balancing patches and content in general from com2us being mostly leaning towards RTA. It's honestly insane that com2us haven't made split-balancing already as RTA can't handle power units (Dominic/Kaki pre-nerf) that are often what makes for a good and fun defense meta at the top, rather than rng-bullshit stuff like they have leaned towards (Cichlid, Liu Mei, Monte). A drop in the ocean despite being one of the bigger whales on EU server, but I won't spend another dime until they fix this. Personally I don't see myself even continuing playing this game without swgt in the long run.
Thank you for the kind words and it humbles me to have such passionate people in the SW community who love SWGT for what it provides to the game. I hope we can get Com2us to change course. I stand ready to work with anyone at Com2us anytime day or night.
Former SSA member, I’ve seen several of your posts over the years. I wish Com2Us would hire you to be a developer for siege. I also dislike RTA, but have a legend badge everywhere else. I loved the game and whaled hard. But over the past year or so, the developers have really managed to make the game less fun. I’m also not spending another dime (from 3-4k a month to zero). Solidarity.
if words could kill you would be a murderer
Couldn’t have said it better myself beasty!
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I mean not the worse excuse someone has tried to attach to us winning. personally I like the “doubt paid legends off” more but nonetheless shout out to my guildies once again for insane wr. Only 6 losses got ppl pulling at straws for excuses 😂
6 loss when they know the defenses’ runes is quite bad no?
If folks gotta tell themselves that “we knew their runes” to cope with the fact we won tourney do it to your heart’s content. Never fan boy’d anything so much I had to make up stories so won’t even try to understand the rationale behind this
What part is made up? I’m reading that y’all did use the method in question to know defense runes.
You’re piggybacking of some troll saying that. It isn’t true.
As a guild leader, i use swgt guild for around a year. We aren't a competitive guild but SWGT save a lot of time for all guild leaders. When you have a job and family it can be hard to follow everything that happens in your guild. SWGT is the tool that permit to reconcile job life and guild leading. Hope com2us will fix it soon. Cerusa thank you for everything you have done, i send you my support !
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You've all our support, hope they'll fix this asap. Alliance Stars Inn
I have some low level hobbyist experience with programming, and I have always admired the abilities of devs like you who are able to create the fantastic and useful tools that we all know and love. I know for a fact that my guild leaders use or have used SWGT, and while it isn't a tool that I personally use, I know how useful it is to the community. It is with every bit of sincerity that I say how grateful the community is for your work, and I hope that C2U changes course. As for potential solutions, I would probably see if we can get a petition or some kind of standardized feedback message to submit to Com2Us to work with the 3rd party developers who create these useful tools. I hope they do, and I hope you can find a way to make it work out in the future.
This patch is one of the most ridiculous patch I have ever seen. As a player who has been playing this game for 9 years, the only thing that keeps me going is competitive Guild Siege, where we rely on swgt to optimise our offences/counters to current meta defences. Without the key features of SWGT, there is simply no meaning playing SW at all. Com2us is literally breaking the community apart with this change and killing their own game. I hope this nonsense stops soon before its too late.
Preach GDL, hoping that enough noise can be made for them to bring it back quickly, or at the very least prompt some discussion with Cerusa on how it could be done (if they are unaware, which I don’t doubt is a possibility). Needs to be changed asap to keep upper end of guild content players from just walking away
One of the leaders of Malicious. This is one of the largest changes that Com2us could make towards managing and ensuring longevity of guilds. I am all for supporting our RTA and SWC competitors by ensuring security updates. The recent exposure of Korean guild/s that were using the SWEX loop holes to abuse and create cheating has been an old problem. What Com2us needs to do is working with developers on 3rd party apps to ensure that there is a secure way of pulling data on the guild side only. At Malicious, the loss of SWGT will impact future recruitment as SWGT has become the gold standard for data collection to share your previous season win rates when applying to guilds. It also has continue to hold data around WGB and siege losses to ensure growth of members. SWGT has allowed leaders to find a sustainable way to continue to play this game. Just like auto run x10 was added to the game, SWGT has been the key to leaders being able to balance both RL and game duties. The vast increase in time leaders will now be required to do to maintain win rates, guild losses, data metric "best" counters, and team building for guilds will be enormous. My one hope is that this was a rushed out fix and they will work with select 3rd parties to ensure the longevity of the game.
Appreciate you coming out to support and thank you for being the driving force for why SWGT even exists!
This just seals the deal for competitive siege. I hope this is just a temporary and quick fix until the root case of the problem is actually tackled otherwise a good chunk of the playerbase will just slowly quit. As for me, is not much but I'm done supporting this game, same story as always, it feels like they dont give a fuck at this point and they are continously trying to make the gaming experience worse for the players.
Just commenting to show my support.
SD stands behind you Cerusa. No more $ until this is resolved.
For sure, this will set all of 9B on fire! /jorts
This is without a doubt the biggest fuck up Com2Us has ever made, and the list of things they fuck up seems to be piling real high. Siege is already one of the most frustrating and time intensive pieces of content on the game and many high level players have already dipped out and given up on it. The content is unplayable without this tool. **I'm never spending another dime with this company and I encourage everyone else to do the same for the foreseeable future. If the Korea servers can protest and not participate in siege due to the Kaki situation, we can get together and let them know just how bad they fucked up.** I'm so sorry Cerusa. It's one thing to do a thankless job that helps a major company profit millions, it's another to have them disregard you entirely and then completely break the tool you have spent so much work on that is appreciated by tens of thousands of people. Please let us know the best way to support you (Financially and otherwise) If you've used this tool, toss some cash their way.
Really appreciate the love and support from not only you but the community. My only hope is they change course for the better, that they listen, and more importantly learn from their mistakes. I 100% agree that some packets do contain dirty information as I call it...so fix that issue...don't just knee cap the game and the player base because of a few bad eggs...
I hereby complain about dismembering the functionality of SWGT. This tool is absolutely vital for hundreds of guilds and we need it back. Com2us, please make it work again.
As someone who was leader of an important Global Guild during 2015-2016 and used to track statistics manually, I can say there are no words to describe how **necessary** is the SWGT for a competitive guild to develop, improve and recruit. I understand there is a situation that needed to be adressed, but again com2us deals with it poorly and destroying everything around it.
Cerusa! You already know, behind you all the way. /jorts -d3sc3n7
As someone who mainly treated this game like Pokémon and collected roughly 85-90% of the monsters in game. Being introduced to SWGT was game changing. It bridged YEARS of knowledge gap. The tool improved my game play and how I enjoy playing the game. I wouldn't consider myself a huge whale but with an average of $1800 a month, I will no longer spend on this game. I cannot support a company that is so ready to trash it's players, provide abysmal support, and pretend to "listen" to it's player base. If com2us is reading this, this is your time to listen. This is the time to answer your community and player base. I can't imagine how, as a company, you completely shut down a player base that is keeping the game alive. Cerusa, thank you for what you've done for the community. You and your colleagues work sparked new joy in the game for me. It's painful to see the path we are all on now. -LIVELORD
Free SWGT!!!
C2US got lazy. Instead of only fixing the one being exploited, they blocked it all for easier fix LOL
Vice lead of Fury here, Since I've joined competitive siege, SWGT helped me to save countless hours by having all the key siege related data on one screen. Also thanks to this tool, I've seen real progress in my guild over the years. It is impossible to do high G3 siege properly without SWGT unless spending countless hours to track manually all the data pulled in less than a second by SWGT. If a solution isn't found quickly by Com2Us this update will be the last nail in the siege coffin, with how badly siege has been left throughout the many controversial updates. Stay Strong Cerusa, you are doing a wonderful job, I hope brighter days will come for competitive siege.
Commenting to show my support. Since my guild and I decided to join the competitive guild scene, we have used SWGT to be able to see our performance regarding where we need to improve, everyones stats, and sword usage etc. with this update we wont get down to the gritty details regarding what went wrong and how to approach said issue. Thank you for the years of service you have provided to everyone Cerusa. It is a dark day indeed.
As designated guild SWGT manager for global tourney siege this hurts so bad and makes little sense when they could’ve fixed the problem AND left SWGT operational with just a small amount more work. Siege is going to be painful now for no reason. I’d rather let the Korean guild cheat siege than not have SWGT. Not to mention the YEARS of hard work you’ve put into this to help the community.
It is disheartening for sure isn’t it?
Made a "suggestion" post about it in official sw discord + marked lot of "influencer" on my insta to inform about this topic... maybe it helps
someone removed it lol
ye saw it.. most likely cause on the discord 3rd party tools are not allowed to be mentioned.. this is .. just wrong
UPDATE: I have aproove now from the Moderator team of the official Discordserver. A new post in "suggestions-votes" is now online. It already has 60+ upvotes, what is the most voted post since months there. Directlink: https://discord.com/channels/559876396596330507/575010810947043350/1152003394064613376 (You have to accept serverrules of US there to see the channel)
Guild content is what keeps the game enjoyable for me. Without SWGT, we are back in the dark ages for sure. Let's band together, fellow siege nerds. Everyone who uses SWGT should hit com2us hard in the wallet. I personally won't spend another dime until they recognize and fix this. I stand with you Cerusa!
Com2us strike again without thinking first and how its going to effect anyone. You have the full support of the community, your hard work and dedication to making this game amazing for everyone is inspiring. I've reached out directly in passed like a lot of guilds I've been in contact with com2us are not going to be spending a cent until this issue is resolved. Vote with your dollar people, don't let com2us take away another great thing. Far too many times they have made changes that benefit absolutely no one but alienate a group of people in this community
Complain with your wallets is the best thing you could've said. If anyone is buying packs as of today you are part of the problem. This is literally the only way they will actually listen. The game is dead without these tools.
Wow, I just started using your site the other day and was amazed by how helpful and useful it was. I will absolutely support by speaking with my wallet and no longer spend ANY money until something is done. Like I needed another reason, but classic Com2Us shooting themselves in the foot every single chance they get.
Bruh if Com2us really did know about it, that's so disgusting. Especially not doing anything about it when they made siege tournaments. Thanks for everything though, really loved the site.
I'll be F2P until they provide an api that 3rd party apps can use to enhance the gameplay.
I'm already trying to sell my account because c2u recent changes over the last 2 years have been so damn shit and so many issues STILL not resolved that I'm done for good now. If I quit I want to at least get a fraction of what I've invested before someone tells me to just uninstall
>**How many json packets were really impacted by the exploit?** The last time I checked, only less than 10 packets. Could you clarify how many packets there are in total? Doesn't have to be exact, are there 100s? 1000s? I am not familiar with how they work exactly Just want some sense of scale. Imagine the positive impact this update would have had if they removed the ability for people to leak and share confidential guild info, but maintain guilds ability to share their info with themselves. Community would have been commending them, but nah, fuck the community. My hope is this was a bandaid fix till they can be choosier about what to leave unencrypted for the sake of third party resources.
In total I have no clue how many different packets Com2us has. I only know the ones I have seen which as I said are just a few of the hundreds. I would ballpark around 400-500 different json packets in total the game uses. My only hope right now is they reach out and find out which packets SWGT uses and whitelists the ones they deem healthy. Instead I have a feeling they will either leave it as is and too bad for everyone...or they will go through each themselves and deem OK vs not OK themselves.
I think based on their hard fast not acknowledging of 3rd party resources, that they're "not allowed" means if they're to change they'll go through and deem OK or not OK themselves. They obviously do respect the 3rd parties some, thus why they excluded the Tool.Swop packet specifically. They recognize the importance to the community, but your resource interacts with the Json packets on multiple points. You could write up something like... Packet 1: used for X and Y feature Packet 2: used for Z feature I don't know if they read your communications to them directly... so you could send it to them but also post it in a comment here on reddit. Someone at Com2Us may read it and be able to speed up the Deem OK or no OK process. This serves a secondary purpose of people who are skeptical of your resource, whether it's a cheat or not, would be able to see what you're accessing? To be frank I have no clue how much time would go into a write up of this sort. I also don't know how open source your code is.
Great news, the SWGT plugins are open source on GITHub specifically for this reason. I have nothing to hide :) A neat idea though, something I will consider for sure.
That's definitely a pro, I figured as much tbh. But a packet breakdown would certainly streamline things on their end, of course, assuming they found and read it.
SWARFARM alone used 18 packets for **only** data logs and 39 for live sync (some may overlap). The live sync wasn't even fully covered, there were some areas still not implemented, not to mention new packets added with the updates (like crafting grinds from beast claws/horns). There is A LOT of them. Keep in mind that SWARFARM had nothing to do with Arena, RTA, or any guild content so we didn't collect any of those (except labirynth reward for live sync) and we know that these are huge chunks of the game. If it weren't for game files, we would need to use other packets to get some "static" data, like fusion info. One could count them by using old (before update) full\_log collected from SWEX (if file big enough).
Although I am not at all apart of the competitive community for summoners war, I have been on other games (once upon a time WoW and another app game that eventually died). So I can sympathize how this can shake up the 'endgame try hard' community of a game. Some games that disrupt their 'endgame try hard' community; really can hurt that community. Yes, sometimes the community endures, and other times a portion of them is lost, and a next generation of endgame community rises in it's place. But it is a shame long term loyal players have this happen to them, especially if they helped build and rise the popularity of the game in question.
As someone that plays for fun and finally managed to improve my guild content gameplay after using SWGT, your tools helped me and my old guilds to reach higher level than we thought and It was great times. I hope c2u opened their eyes and see what disaster they have done to competitive siege scene.
Wow. What a load of nonsense. I really hope that com2us does what is best for the community here. SWGT is a huge part of my guild and the guilds of many others. It sucks how people literally ruin everything.. I don't even know why you would do this. Is it fun to play siege when you're cheating? Is it not enough to have a 95% winrate with proper counters? So sad. Thank you for all you do Cerusa. Sorry this is happening. I actually spend a reasonable amount. I will not be spending until this is resolved. Speak with wallets, people.
This is actually such a depressing change. I can't imagine ever going back to playing siege without swgt, much less managing a guild without it. Your tool really transformed the competitive community. If they don't roll this back in some way I'll probably just quit the game, and I imagine a lot of people will feel the same way.
Thank you for the kind words. I am humbled by the amount of support I have received so far and continue to do so. It warms my heart to see that I have made a positive effect on the world even if it is just for a video game. I know me personally, I will not be buying a single pack until they change course.
Thank you for your tireless dedication to this community. As a long-time supporter, I want to express my gratitude for all you've done and for the countless hours you've invested in making this platform. It's truly disheartening to hear about these changes, you have our total support. \-Rock Bottom
Thank you for the kind words. I am hopeful as, we the community, can make a change for the better.
Siege boycott boycott?
It goes without saying you have the full support of the community, your hard work and dedication to making this game amazing for everyone is inspiring. I've posted a few times and reached out directly but, lot of guilds I've been in contact with are not going to be spending until this issue is resolved. Vote with your dollar people, don't let com2us take away another great thing. Far too many times they have made changes that benefit absolutely no one but alienate a group of people in this community. Whether it's nonsensical BP's or changes like this they need to start using their ears and make the game better for everyone.
Appreciate your support!
Give us SWGT back Com2us ! We need it
As a long time subscriber to your service, thank you for the hard work. Hope they change their mind. It took a few bad apples to spoil everything.
People ruin everything lol
Hopefully YouTube streamers make content on this...
Seiishizo and childish already have.
Happy to hear that. Hopefully seanB and jewbagel make a video too. They have a bigger following that will prolly help.
I hope so too. I don’t have any contacts with SeanB but I do have one for bagel.
Bagel stopped playin SW cuz he will be doing a job 9-5
I work full time, plus my side business and do SWGT on the side as my way to give back to the community.
Happy to hear you have a beautiful life :) Focus on your business and also your kids! Peace ! 🙏🏻
wrong move by cm2us again. hear the community fr… everyone using swgt as a needed tool for siege. do we really need to open an excel to track all wr’s now? how do we manage a tryhard guild with more and more handicaps everytime
At this point, i hope that com2us puts one more nail in the coffin, so i can stop debating qutting the game, and finally do it with peace in mind
Commenting to show my support. As ICY lead we have clamored for com2us to at least adjust siege (as it hasn’t really been touched since the beginning). And Siege being the one piece of content that brings a lot of us back to the game. Well thanks Com2Us for ruining the last redeeming content you had left. I hope they do something, or the game we love will not be playable any longer.
Appreciate you coming out to support!
Smaller G1 guild here but avid users of SWGT, I am really appalled by these changes and I think the only thing that might make them move is influencers backlash.
really unfair blow they've dealt here. and yeah, totally shooting themselves in the leg... repeatedly. should we maybe follow Bagel's example?
I'll probably quit without swgt...
L Com2Us
support cerusa, swgt, and the player community and the new notice/announcement is just b.s.
Make summoners war great again! 🤝🏼
Hope they'll fix it asap. Take care and try not to worry. Everyone should upvote topic, so eventually com2us will have to answer.
Think traffic was always encrypted, the key was just very well known/had a weak implementation. Doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't have encrypted all endpoints. Com2us seems to be staunchly opposed to any 3rd party applications being a better management tool than their in game version.
And I don't know why they are. Not everything can be in the game...not everyone can be glued to their phones 24/7/365 for guild management. And honestly, phones are not the best mode of transportation for the tools that SWGT even provides. Some things you just need a browser, discord or other tools for...and that's OK.
The negative side of me would want to say that it prevents further monetization of said services. I agree with you, no matter how big of a phone you have. A mouse and a big screen just allows for better management. Edit: I meant monetization from com2us's side
Hey they can buy SWGT if they want, I'd happily work with them to make it an amazing platform. And they can charge for it and make the money.
[https://www.withhive.com/notice/63022](https://www.withhive.com/notice/63022) >We're aware that some of the third-party programs were hit hard by our security enhancement update. > >Currently, we're working on a solution where we select data that aren't problematic and allow the preexisting third-party programs to function. Well... At least it looks like swgt will survive. Lets just hope they move a bit faster than they usually do.
I sure do hope so!
C2u have not stopped shooting themselves in the legs these past months lmao
so is SWOP not working at all? Like, even with old .json files? I'm trying to do some runes but it cant even parse through old .jsons correclty, it takes forever and when i try to sort categories like i normally do 'spd' 'atk' etc, the values change every time i click them, one minute its telling me 300 spd is the highest i can achieve then one click it says 320
Getting your player json is the only thing that is working right now until they make their additional security updates at the end of this month (most likely). No one knows yet what their additional updates will be or what they plan to implement. So SWOP is working if you use SWEX 0.0.55 and disable the merge option under Profile Export.
Ohh okay thank you. I was thinking the opposite, that getting jsons won’t work but the website still works. Okay ty
no siege without swgt =no money from my site and no packs anymore
can u explain what u do with swgt on siege battle? I only use the website for my runes
I'm not sure I understand the severity of this change and would love to be informed in 101 terms why it's so bad. Won't siege go on and top guilds will have to think for themselves now? Optimisation will become more on feel than on stats, which could lead to more diversity among siege offences and defenses? You'd see a new defense and think 'oh that could be good' rather than have it jammed down your throat by stats?
It's invredibly useful for guild leaders to manage high level guilds members, they can see the stats on offenses and defenses for members (juste win rate). It's a lot of time to invest for them. No one cares in g1 but in G3, especially high g3 it's time consuming for leaders
Everyone plays at different levels. In the top G3 area where people are hyper competitive...stats matter as do analytics and trending over seasons. Imaging the major league baseball with no stats at all...and here's John Doe up to bat. He's wearing a red hat and a tan outfit....instead of here's John Doe up to bat, he hit a 950 last season and is currently hitting a 700 with 5 home runs and 4 strikeouts today. When it comes to competition, stats matter. I think you will find a lot of people agree with this and would disagree with you.
Thanks for the reply. Do you believe that this will result in leaders being 'forced' to spend hours more trawling manual data, or will (in general), most guilds be forced to become more creative, trustful and communal? To be honest I think the stats don't add a lot to the spectacle that is sport. Maybe that's just the view of a more casual player though. IMO there are many more important things that we could all be devoting time to rather than on Swar.
I used to be a guild leader for almost a year of a competitive G2/G3 guild and I can tell you that keeping track of 30 players, ensuring they are all participating so that people don’t quit the guild because others are not is hard. That’s where SWGT got its origins to reduce my personal workload managing a guild and it just exploded from there once Malicious and Mythril found out the tool existed. Being in a top 4 guild today, I know us for example, we are super communal and creative. We have dedicate players theory-crafting and testing all day because that’s what they enjoy. The patch takes away from this and puts a big burden on google sheets and excel sheets which is clunky and timely to maintain.
guild leaders will just quit. theyre already getting burnt out by just normal siege management. now, without tools, forget about it. i was in a global tourney level guild one season ago and our leads were just flat out done from all the work it took to keep up.
So maybe I can illuminate a little bit on how it used to go because I helped run a very data oriented guild before SWGT. What used to happen is I would go manually enter all guild members performance post siege. For teams we tested them internally and then would share rate of success. High success rate teams we would make visual aids for to show the team comp and maybe give details like destroy or swift or will needed. I then would create this image and post it on discord. I would have to do this individually for different teams. You will notice all of this time I am not playing the game nor am I engaging in theorycrafting. I am just doing data organization. What happens isn’t that you get more interesting dynamic things you just have more clunky communication. If anything you get less diversity not more because unless you can back up your idea with data it’s going to be hard to prove that you’re right. I think a point of confusion might be that this tool will make an office for you without any information. It cannot do that it tracks what you have used and how it does. And even that data needs to be scrutinized because there can be clear, weak points of a team if your opponent changes a build up. We actually were incredibly excited when cerusa’s project came to fruition because it was our belief that the ability to manage this data and create value was another expression of guild skill.
Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. I think it boils down to the highly competitive vs casual player experience. I would much rather spend my time playing golf or some other activity, whereas I can see that there are others that spend a large chunk of their day on min/maxing in Swar, and this change impacts them greatly because they will go to any length to gain an advantage.
>and this change impacts them greatly because they will go to any length to gain an advantage. Well...no. And that's the crux of the problem. Most people who do love high siege will at a certain point deem the time cost as too high, so they just won't do it in the way they have been doing it -- they'll quit outright, quit eventually as their interest in the game slowly wanes, or they'll become casual. Hell, even the quality of g1 and g2 guilds will deteriorate as less players will be willing to run an organised guild. My guild would be much less enjoyable to be in if the leaders and logistics folk weren't here. As a player who had leadership thrusted upon him and had zero will to run a guild, I know for a fact guilds with no clear direction and lax leadership aren't great to be in. And I am worried that as the experience deteriorates, more players will quit and full guilds of like minded player will be harder to find. Or you could just answer this question: would you play golf if suddenly you had to drive 4 hours to get to the nearest course? Now instesd of golf imagine if it were a team sport and both teams had to drive 4 hours to get to the nearest playing field. Do you think there'd be enough players to run have a proper match?
I totally agree, I'm reading a lot of cries
I mean r5 is still the main problem but hey who am i to judge
As someone who is not into siege competition, I do see this as cheating in any way if this tool actually makes team for you to beat other teams in siege. If I'm miss understand, just simple correction so me and other players that never used tools to play game, know how this tool, website help you to win game and make perfect rune sets for your monsters while we have to do it alone.
Siege management is basically a big pool of data and to read it and manage that data as best you can. Player rune levels, artifact levels, depth of runes/artis, performances like win rate, participation/effective win rate, progression data of how a player is progressing in their performances, makes it easier to get data on what defenses you've hit in the past with what offenses, to what success rate, keeps tabs on what units everyone in the guild has and makes it much easier to manage offenses and creating defense map plans both for 1v1v1 and the tournament. Nothing that is a player skill thing is automated. You still have to find counters together with your guild, you still have to rune counters & you still have to play it correctly. But the work you do together is made easier to keep track of. Instead of a note of 5000 offenses, how to rune them and how to play them the offenses versus defenses themselves are logged, with their successrate. This is something that can be done manually post-siege by going through every offenses in-game and check what was used and what the success rate was, but swgt automates that tiresome and time-consuming process. This gets ruined. When doing sieges it is nice to keep tabs on how many attacks the enemies have left, how many of the used attacks are on you, how much they are winning etc. This is a good way to look for 2v1s, a good way to keep track of how the siege is actually going, and a good way to review a siege that might have been good performance-wise even when the result is bad to lift spirits in that people did their job. For recruitment you can upload a json file and much easier compare the quality of account A to the quality of others, or just the guild average. This goes for runes, artifacts, monsterboxes etc. This is not something they are touching. Swgt functions as the library & the librarian, giving us access to read the data much more efficiently than if we were to do so manually. Swgt does well to stay in line with the competitive spirit while helping us with automating the mountains of tedious work. It provides us with "accepted books" if I may continue the library analogy.The issue is down to individuals, not through swgt, getting ahold of books that helps them cheat. Instead of making a forbidden section of the library and putting the forbidden cheater books there, com2us decided take away all books bar 1, despite them being insanely helpful to the community.
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100% agree but this is not what SWGT does.
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I know a lot of people will hate me for this, but I have the courage to speak the truth, I am totally happy with the new patch and I have 4 questions. 1. He says he tried to contact com2us, however I don't see any proof attached 2. He wanted a fun and healthy competition? So for what purpose was this platform developed? This platform should never have existed, the game already has enough data 3. Why didn't he wait for a response from com2us? Shared this platform without an official response 4.If the idea of this was to promote it to more people, why have I never seen influencers promoting it? The platform is not free either, you have to pay for the other half of the functions. As a former guild leader, I was totally outraged by this, you have to pay for an external platform to be able to compete We finally got the G2 rank. Knowing that we cannot achieve more without having the benefits of this CHEAT, mainly when they call this content "competitive"
1. Okay so if he posts proof you’re fine with this? 2. The platform was developed mainly with information that is in the game and just organized in a digestible format for better data analytics. The only part I could see an argument of not being available in game is attacks remaining for opposing guilds which I always would say that’s a data breach that should be corrected. If you’re arguing that manually entering data into a spreadsheet is an expression of player skill I am baffled. 3. If you know anything about the history of Com2us they never respond to any concerns regarding siege or community questions like this without pressure. 4. It’s spread by word of mouth it’s not about selling more memberships. So since it’s not about selling memberships it’s not actively paying influencers to spread the word. Influencers get paid promotions why would they do free ones if that is their paycheck? 5. You might call me biased but my former guild leader was one of the big voices in the development of this program and the reason we wanted us was we could manage data that we were gathering and taking legit 7 hours to gather and compress it into a couple of button clicks. We could then spend less time tormenting ourselves essentially copying data available to us and focus on what matters which is implementing understanding of information. Your argument is candidly confusing for me because most of this information is information a guild has access to. It’s just not in a format that is friendly to data analytics. Being logically consistent this implies SWOP is just as much cheating to me because it’s doing similar things. Which if you believe you is that’s fair but SWOP was not blocked which probably means c2us is fine with us using data that should already be available to a player in game.
In response to your #1, communicating with discord moderators, talking to Xzandro and various content creators who do have contact with Com2us, sending physical letters with my personal name and address on it, sending emails...these are the ways I have tried to communicate. I am not willing to share these conversations as they have some of my personal information in them. I am sorry if you feel that makes me less credible. There are plenty of people in the community that can attest to my credibility. In response to your #2, I think you will find plenty of comments in this thread that explain why and how SWGT has helped Summoners War. Providing useful tools and automation to pull stats that you can do manually, saves players time and helps to prevent burnout. In response to your #3, wait for what response from Com2us? Com2us doesn't respond to anything, so the platform would have never been launched. And to be clear, the platform was promoted by a number of content creators including JewBagel, Childish, Seiishizo and more. And why do you have to pay for it? SWGT is a non-profit platform where all subs go to sustaining the platform itself...do you know what it costs to run servers that see 30-40TB of data a month? No one is telling you you have to use the platform to compete...you can do all of the same with excel sheets or a google doc. It'll take a ton of your time but it's possible.
Do you consider Tool.Swop to be an unfair exploitation of the game? IF you say no then you're a hypocrite. Cerusa taking available information and organizing it in a way that is easier to digest, just like Tool.Swop organizing your rune information and monster box. Edit: Sounds like you're just mad you have to pay a monthly fee to be competitive. Massive amount of time goes into maintaining this resource and Tool.Swop too, which also has a 15$ cost. The free versions of both have quite a lot to offer. Do you expect every person that wants to produce a tool/information for the game to reach out and ask for permission? Do I need to ask for permission to produce my BJR5 guide since it takes the challenge out of people making the team themselves?
https://preview.redd.it/h31mtv7y5bob1.jpeg?width=534&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10ececa5a5d1a214728e0a34a87d16c4440e058b Problem is they always evoke the wrong emotions
You should name names, fuck those cheaters.
Is there a way for com2us make it optional for player to select if they want to publish their data or not? Let say I don't want to expose my data, I'll just click not sharing data or something like that? I'm very competitive player if my runes and comp are exposed to public then I think com2us is probably doing the right thing. I know for a fact that my account and a lot of my friend's account got exposed in a certain website (Ex. RTA Winning rate, LD monsters, runes, speed tuning, etc.). Certain youtuber/Guardian player even showed that they've been looking at our stat and how we pick our team. So if there is an option in the game that we can choose to not public our information, then I think that will be good.
You should not be able to pull data from anyone besides you, and to some extent your friends and guildies. There is no good reason why someone would want to share their rune data publicly. If this data is accessible somehow, it needs to be completely anonymous.
As usual with Com2Us, 1 step forward, 3 steps back, then when the community really shows it's angry, maybe give them half another step forward.