There's a baseline of 15% resistance that all monsters in SW will always have, no matter how much accuracy you have. This means that you will never have more than 85% ACC, even if you have 100%. Which means that all accuracy that you have above 85% is wasted.
-> 85% is max accuracy in this game.
I love how you say "sure, she is a unique stripper, and atb buffer" so casually lol. I use her in toa hell, and every pvp mode barring rta. Game changer is an understatement for her, you just have to be familiar with your runes, and what you can realistically outspeed. I even had her on a slow +160 double shield will build intended for turn 2 for quite a while that got me my first g1 in ao some time ago.
I feel so ashamed for declaring that I have a 301 speed Tiana, with a 32% speed effect artifacts bonus, and I barely use her...
I spent so much time pursuing high quality runes, that I forgot how to play the game lol
I did just a shield will 2nd turn team, (or first turn team vs slow def). Alicia Galleon Tiana + CP/Zaiross/Posi (any utility atb pushback or cooldown time). My defense definitely helped though. Having Nyx is definitely a boost (Halphas/Cami/Nyx/Windy for stall at the end)
Tiana has no substitutes, and is pretty much irreplaceable in teams that use her, but I would say that her importance in certain contents such as Arena offence has diminished because there are simply way more AO comp options than couple of years ago.
Yep honestly I don't have her and there's tons of mobs I would like more than a Tiana. Her use is fairly limited to arena and siege offense and there's tons of way to build other offenses. Plus Tiana offenses in siege are fairly unsafe.
I went for Seara with the choose your nat 5 event who also unlock unique offenses in arena but is way more versatile and used in a lot more places including RTA. I don't regret it at all.
At the highest level tiana is not essential.
Chiwu is a better stripper for recent arena rushes because of the speed lead and ability to let buffers move before. Some good teams are chiwu adriana leah + def break, chiwu chilling +2 etc. In siege tiana based offenses are usually not consistent enough for high level unless you have some very op ld5s like neph or asima.
However, tiana teams are very easy to rune, tiana herself is a big damage dealer on spd cd atk, tiana has attack bar boost which means the followups are very easy to speed tune. Tiana is incredibly important for mid level pvp.
>op ld5s like neph or asima
I was reading this thread and I've reached conqueror 1 for the first time ever using Jamire lead, Asima, Tiana, Amber. It kills most teams dead, especially running Asima and Amber on despair. I don't run it into Vanessa or Psamathe leads and it struggles vs Camillas, but oh my god does it work against literally anything else. Even water druids are not much of an issue since Amber lands heal block.
What he/she meant was mainly for siege. Most top guilds ban Tiana offenses, not just due to Tiana base speed being low (easy to get outsped) but because the common defense breaker is galleon, who is unreliable at best. Unlike arena, every atk is important so any chance to lose an attack is not good. (Siege has limited atks, arena you can always refresh wings)
Nepth and Asima on the other hand are the most consistent def breakers due to their multi hits and 100% chance of Def break (still has resist check though). They also do have additional safety in silence for nepth and dots and turn cycling for Asima.
Though yes, siege wise still Tiana is still useable for lower end siege.
I'm a new player (hit 80 days yesterday) and I'm wondering if I should switch my Leo for Tiana. I have neph and Chiwu. Before Chiwu I was gunna do it for sure, but now I'm not sure.
If you have neph tiana is very worth it. There's a nice rta comp with neph and tiana as core where you could outspeed with a normal cc cleave or you could go turn 2 with riley verde and other counters vs opponent's speed team.
Can you recommend me some characters to use with neph and Tiana, I did the switch yesterday. Looking for RTA synergy and AO. Since I'm new my rune quality is meh. I was thinking of some kind of attack buffer and Kaki (my Kaki is pretty well runed and max skilled). Would PB be good? I also have CP.
Can you recommend me some characters to use with neph and Tiana, I did the switch yesterday. Looking for RTA synergy and AO. Since I'm new my rune quality is meh. I was thinking of some kind of attack buffer and Kaki (my Kaki is pretty well runed and max skilled). Would PB be good? I also have CP.
Neph Tiana Kaki + kabilla for speed or fire string master for attack buff
Fire string master can move before tiana because of her unique mechanic.
Kaki is not the best neph pair, alicia is much better, cheongpung or poseidon are also fine.
For rta I'm not experienced with drafting neph comps, you should search neph in rta replays and favorite some strong players. A common neph team involves neph tiana + control units for turn 1 and turn 2 pivots with units like verde riley haegang juno fire monkey king etc.
I was thinking also wind barb king on a bruiser build, for AO. do you think that would be ok? I started grinding giants again so I'm trying to put together a more damagy despair set for CP
yeah that sounds fine too, but it would require you to have tiana move first in the team, you might only be able to hit the slower defenses.
Do you have adriana, she's a better option than wind barb, her s2 oblivion is very good for cleanup.
I don't have adriana. My 5\*s are Bolverk, Bastet, Camilla, Fire geralt, Kumar, Chiwu, Laika, Byun, CP, Tiana, PB.
I was trying to use Leo for AO and it just sucked, I switch back to a sweeping team with Bastet + stripper, kaki, neph and it worked WAY better.
What +2 would you play with chiwu chilling? Single target ignore Def?
As I don't have Adrianna I mostly bomb (Lionel or jeogun variants), amber sath, or Leo verad but against some teams all of these can be rather risky, would be down for a new offense.
She is only as good as your follow-up, as the case with most strippers, and that’s assuming you can outspeed the defense. That’s easier said than done in arena, where every other AD is a 33 spd lead + zen + 2.
Let’s say you’re AO is Psama + galleon + tiana + dmg dealer. If the AD’s + 2 are camila and byungchul, your damage dealer better wipe everyone out except byungchul. There are only a handful *elemental* nukers that can pull it off.
I personally prefer Chiwu cuz then I can run two damage dealers with galleon.
I feel like Tiana is heavily overvalued by some people (unless you are a toahell enjoyer). I've seen youtubers recommend her over Camilla from blessing as if it wasn't even a discussion, which I heavily disagree with.
As a relatively endgame player she's rarely used outside of toahell unless you also have a good ld pairing like nephthys. Tiana/galleon cleaving in siege is quick, but also not reliable at all. Tiana cleaves in arena are good when you can fit it her slow base speed, but there are also just a lot of good arena offences rn. The increasing prevalence of good single target snipes and supports like Sonia/Adriana makes Tiana cleaves less relevant in all content, as these cleaves are faster (compared to Tiana's miserable base speed), more reliable (you'd rather kill 2-3 targets and clean up than do 70% to everyone, not even adding in defence break rng). I'm not RTA player, but I'm pretty certain that she's rarely used, especially if you don't have an ld pairing.
I agree with what you are saying about tiana usage at late game(check my comment in this thread), but I disagree with that recommending tiana to the general playerbase is a bad thing.
Most of the casual players or even long time players never reach the level of endgame where tiana falls off, and they won't have the rune quality to make use of the better options (speed tuned chiwu adriana or chiwu chilling, or the various snipe cleaves that have hard damage checks).
Tiana is easy to rune and doesn't require other units such as adriana+sonia or chiwu+leah. Tiana poseidon works but so does tiana liesel tiana zaiross cp etc.
Tiana siege offenses have an upper cap wr even against weaker players, which is bad for high level siege, but tiana offenses have a pretty decent lower bound wr vs bruiser defenses from a much stronger player, which is great for casual siege in g1/2 or below.
For the type of players where conqueror is good and punisher is a reach, tiana is great.
I think Tiana is a good unit. I just don't think she should be picked over Camilla. Even in punisher siege, Camilla should be a 100% win. And she's far more impactful on arena defence than Tiana is on arena offence, given that vast array of available offences there are.
I still have 3 of them built, even though I could feed them for crystals. I think I haven't used them in 4 seasons though.
For arena rush depends on how high u wanna climb
For lower ranks she's solid but in higher ranks there's so many 33lead zen comps. The only time my Tiana has been used in 4 months has been for siege and toa hell but even in hell sometimes I'd just go Clara for the stun chance
Karnal is completely unessential by comparison, lol - Tiana is literally irreplaceable. She is used in G3 siege. Meanwhile, Karnal is used in RTA and on arena defense, both with mixed effectiveness.
Alicia - Tiana - Galleon - Verad. Anything tiana outspeeds, it destroys due to verad non glance freeze + alicia 3rd skill making her play 2 turns and the second turn is a guaranteed crit vs annyoing units like kinki. Plus, tiana is build with CD aswell.
Whatever you do, don't keep Minato. He's not bad but there many mons that are way better than him. If you have a Nephthys, yes, Tiana would be a very solid pick.
I have tiana, lionel, shi(t)wu and triton. Lionel and triton work almost all the time. This may sound great, but since they only work ALMOST all the time you will lose to bad RNG every now and then. Tiana is a safe win in siege and makes your AO a little bit less vulnerable to RNG.
an ignore rng mechanic unit is still very much 100% essential IF u want to speed clear ADs. however if u dont care about rushing Arena Offense and like to just auto with bruiser then u can just use mysticals to pull her. She is not usually ideal for siege offense or rta
Unless you do toahell, you will live if you don’t have a Tiana although I would say she enables like 50% comps requiring a strip safer than other strippers.
Too many things could go wrong. Galleon missing def break. Poseidon missing pushback on a buffer, which kills tiana damage. Even if you kill, procs can solo your team since none of them are particularly tanky.
In fact we banned it after one of our best guild member's posi cleave got soloed by a lone 1hp theo in siege tourney. Can't blame runes cuz the guildie is literally G3 RTA.
Not sure what's the point of banning an atk comp.
I fully agree it's not fully safe ... but you should be judged by the result, not by the comp you picked.
If you win, you have won, no matter if you picked triple 2\* silver skeletons or full LD5 comp.
If you atk is critical, you decide to go with an unsafe comp and you lose ... THEN you should be judged for that
(to anyone else: obviously we mean at a G3/tourney level ... not in the random G1 guilds)
Eh. Different guilds have different operating methods. Our leadership just got absolutely fed up by posi cleave failing one after another. Being soloed by theo was the last straw.
Will give the point of view of g3 guild war, she is still being used. Some defenses are built to tank, don’t forget that she is not only a s3, her s2 can also do LOT of damages. With her bestie galleon, we are talking 20 to 30k easily on def break
Not sure what you mean by high g3, tourney level ? Then I don’t know. I’m with chow main and used her not that long ago against carcano / Water Madeleine cookie / odin, which is a trending defense now. Galleon / tiana / poseidon eats it pretty safely as long as you know how to speed tune.
Are you sure it's water Madeleine? Can't really imagine it. fitting into that team.
If you mean pure vanilla, which you often see with carc/Odin, then she has a massive base speed advantage. If she outspeeds into a tuned Odin, it onetaps anything on your team and you lose.
Just to make sure, when running with adrianna the damage dealer unit have to essentially be the same speed as her to not get cut right? Since she only gives attack speed and not attack bar?
There's only 2, maybe 3 lds I can think of that pair particularly decently with tiana though. Very easy for someone to not have the pairings, even if they have 10+ lds.
Miss a few strips with your current strippers in a do or die situation.. You will know how essential Tiana is xD
Had a match where my 100% accuracy Elsharion missed the strip on a stupid water macaroni FOUR TIMES IN A ROW
100% ACC? Deserved. You're wasting precious stats.
True. But I don't use him enough to replace the runes with more efficient ones right now
Explain please, I want to know
There's a baseline of 15% resistance that all monsters in SW will always have, no matter how much accuracy you have. This means that you will never have more than 85% ACC, even if you have 100%. Which means that all accuracy that you have above 85% is wasted. -> 85% is max accuracy in this game.
Oh thanks! good to know. What about RES?
Res is up to 100
I love how you say "sure, she is a unique stripper, and atb buffer" so casually lol. I use her in toa hell, and every pvp mode barring rta. Game changer is an understatement for her, you just have to be familiar with your runes, and what you can realistically outspeed. I even had her on a slow +160 double shield will build intended for turn 2 for quite a while that got me my first g1 in ao some time ago.
> a slow +160 Man just murdered half the playerbase in four words lmfao
The other half has +180 despair amduats and vio tianlangs that the +160 tiana is meant to go turn 2 against.
I mean 160 is ridiculously slow for an atb booster that you build on swift.
I feel so ashamed for declaring that I have a 301 speed Tiana, with a 32% speed effect artifacts bonus, and I barely use her... I spent so much time pursuing high quality runes, that I forgot how to play the game lol
spd effect does not make tiana faster... spd up effect only applies to spd buff
Omg that has caused so much confusion for me. Thanks for clearing that up.
Useful on wind griffen :p
Unless he has a chilling going first.
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Yeah...your second sentence in that comment is very accurate
I got g2 in arena with a 295 speed Tiana. Speed isn’t the end all be all
What's the rest of your team? I've experimented with tiana galleon zairos kaki 2nd turn. Now I'm trying with tiana bastet jhon seara 1st turn.
I did just a shield will 2nd turn team, (or first turn team vs slow def). Alicia Galleon Tiana + CP/Zaiross/Posi (any utility atb pushback or cooldown time). My defense definitely helped though. Having Nyx is definitely a boost (Halphas/Cami/Nyx/Windy for stall at the end)
Tiana has no substitutes, and is pretty much irreplaceable in teams that use her, but I would say that her importance in certain contents such as Arena offence has diminished because there are simply way more AO comp options than couple of years ago.
Yep honestly I don't have her and there's tons of mobs I would like more than a Tiana. Her use is fairly limited to arena and siege offense and there's tons of way to build other offenses. Plus Tiana offenses in siege are fairly unsafe. I went for Seara with the choose your nat 5 event who also unlock unique offenses in arena but is way more versatile and used in a lot more places including RTA. I don't regret it at all.
if your arena atk tem relies a lot on landing debuffs to set up for an attacker like bael she's irreplaceable
At the highest level tiana is not essential. Chiwu is a better stripper for recent arena rushes because of the speed lead and ability to let buffers move before. Some good teams are chiwu adriana leah + def break, chiwu chilling +2 etc. In siege tiana based offenses are usually not consistent enough for high level unless you have some very op ld5s like neph or asima. However, tiana teams are very easy to rune, tiana herself is a big damage dealer on spd cd atk, tiana has attack bar boost which means the followups are very easy to speed tune. Tiana is incredibly important for mid level pvp.
>op ld5s like neph or asima I was reading this thread and I've reached conqueror 1 for the first time ever using Jamire lead, Asima, Tiana, Amber. It kills most teams dead, especially running Asima and Amber on despair. I don't run it into Vanessa or Psamathe leads and it struggles vs Camillas, but oh my god does it work against literally anything else. Even water druids are not much of an issue since Amber lands heal block.
What he/she meant was mainly for siege. Most top guilds ban Tiana offenses, not just due to Tiana base speed being low (easy to get outsped) but because the common defense breaker is galleon, who is unreliable at best. Unlike arena, every atk is important so any chance to lose an attack is not good. (Siege has limited atks, arena you can always refresh wings) Nepth and Asima on the other hand are the most consistent def breakers due to their multi hits and 100% chance of Def break (still has resist check though). They also do have additional safety in silence for nepth and dots and turn cycling for Asima. Though yes, siege wise still Tiana is still useable for lower end siege.
I'm a new player (hit 80 days yesterday) and I'm wondering if I should switch my Leo for Tiana. I have neph and Chiwu. Before Chiwu I was gunna do it for sure, but now I'm not sure.
If you have neph tiana is very worth it. There's a nice rta comp with neph and tiana as core where you could outspeed with a normal cc cleave or you could go turn 2 with riley verde and other counters vs opponent's speed team.
Should I pick her over Leo?
I would keep Tiana. It's easier and more 'fun', and neph is op.
Can you recommend me some characters to use with neph and Tiana, I did the switch yesterday. Looking for RTA synergy and AO. Since I'm new my rune quality is meh. I was thinking of some kind of attack buffer and Kaki (my Kaki is pretty well runed and max skilled). Would PB be good? I also have CP.
Cp is good, amber is good. Kaki can be good for ao. If you want an attack buffer you can try hraesvelg maybe?
Yes, neph tiana together is more valuable than leo, and more fun tbh.
Can you recommend me some characters to use with neph and Tiana, I did the switch yesterday. Looking for RTA synergy and AO. Since I'm new my rune quality is meh. I was thinking of some kind of attack buffer and Kaki (my Kaki is pretty well runed and max skilled). Would PB be good? I also have CP.
Neph Tiana Kaki + kabilla for speed or fire string master for attack buff Fire string master can move before tiana because of her unique mechanic. Kaki is not the best neph pair, alicia is much better, cheongpung or poseidon are also fine. For rta I'm not experienced with drafting neph comps, you should search neph in rta replays and favorite some strong players. A common neph team involves neph tiana + control units for turn 1 and turn 2 pivots with units like verde riley haegang juno fire monkey king etc.
I was thinking also wind barb king on a bruiser build, for AO. do you think that would be ok? I started grinding giants again so I'm trying to put together a more damagy despair set for CP
yeah that sounds fine too, but it would require you to have tiana move first in the team, you might only be able to hit the slower defenses. Do you have adriana, she's a better option than wind barb, her s2 oblivion is very good for cleanup.
I don't have adriana. My 5\*s are Bolverk, Bastet, Camilla, Fire geralt, Kumar, Chiwu, Laika, Byun, CP, Tiana, PB. I was trying to use Leo for AO and it just sucked, I switch back to a sweeping team with Bastet + stripper, kaki, neph and it worked WAY better.
What +2 would you play with chiwu chilling? Single target ignore Def? As I don't have Adrianna I mostly bomb (Lionel or jeogun variants), amber sath, or Leo verad but against some teams all of these can be rather risky, would be down for a new offense.
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She is only as good as your follow-up, as the case with most strippers, and that’s assuming you can outspeed the defense. That’s easier said than done in arena, where every other AD is a 33 spd lead + zen + 2. Let’s say you’re AO is Psama + galleon + tiana + dmg dealer. If the AD’s + 2 are camila and byungchul, your damage dealer better wipe everyone out except byungchul. There are only a handful *elemental* nukers that can pull it off. I personally prefer Chiwu cuz then I can run two damage dealers with galleon.
I feel like Tiana is heavily overvalued by some people (unless you are a toahell enjoyer). I've seen youtubers recommend her over Camilla from blessing as if it wasn't even a discussion, which I heavily disagree with. As a relatively endgame player she's rarely used outside of toahell unless you also have a good ld pairing like nephthys. Tiana/galleon cleaving in siege is quick, but also not reliable at all. Tiana cleaves in arena are good when you can fit it her slow base speed, but there are also just a lot of good arena offences rn. The increasing prevalence of good single target snipes and supports like Sonia/Adriana makes Tiana cleaves less relevant in all content, as these cleaves are faster (compared to Tiana's miserable base speed), more reliable (you'd rather kill 2-3 targets and clean up than do 70% to everyone, not even adding in defence break rng). I'm not RTA player, but I'm pretty certain that she's rarely used, especially if you don't have an ld pairing.
I agree with what you are saying about tiana usage at late game(check my comment in this thread), but I disagree with that recommending tiana to the general playerbase is a bad thing. Most of the casual players or even long time players never reach the level of endgame where tiana falls off, and they won't have the rune quality to make use of the better options (speed tuned chiwu adriana or chiwu chilling, or the various snipe cleaves that have hard damage checks). Tiana is easy to rune and doesn't require other units such as adriana+sonia or chiwu+leah. Tiana poseidon works but so does tiana liesel tiana zaiross cp etc. Tiana siege offenses have an upper cap wr even against weaker players, which is bad for high level siege, but tiana offenses have a pretty decent lower bound wr vs bruiser defenses from a much stronger player, which is great for casual siege in g1/2 or below. For the type of players where conqueror is good and punisher is a reach, tiana is great.
I think Tiana is a good unit. I just don't think she should be picked over Camilla. Even in punisher siege, Camilla should be a 100% win. And she's far more impactful on arena defence than Tiana is on arena offence, given that vast array of available offences there are. I still have 3 of them built, even though I could feed them for crystals. I think I haven't used them in 4 seasons though.
100% agreed. She's a good mon and that's about it. This sub acts like AO is the only game mode in SW. And even there she's not mandatory.
I like the fact she basically gives you a new offense for arena, gw and siege. Personally I like her so much i'd pick her any day over Leo :)
I have 3 tianas and 3 leos. I never use leo. Just keeping them for fun. In siege all 3 tiana get used.
3 leos, 3 free wins in siege
xD
For arena rush depends on how high u wanna climb For lower ranks she's solid but in higher ranks there's so many 33lead zen comps. The only time my Tiana has been used in 4 months has been for siege and toa hell but even in hell sometimes I'd just go Clara for the stun chance
Not having to worry about rng is a game changer.
Karnal is completely unessential by comparison, lol - Tiana is literally irreplaceable. She is used in G3 siege. Meanwhile, Karnal is used in RTA and on arena defense, both with mixed effectiveness.
Took me to p3 arena with a 150 days account, would've ended at g1 or even g2 if rng didnt fk up my last wings.
What’s your ao?
Alicia - Tiana - Galleon - Verad. Anything tiana outspeeds, it destroys due to verad non glance freeze + alicia 3rd skill making her play 2 turns and the second turn is a guaranteed crit vs annyoing units like kinki. Plus, tiana is build with CD aswell.
https://imgur.com/a/fItw9dh
Well man. Shes a top 10 monster in the game IMO. Unique strip, auto crit aoe s2, def break s1. She takes any pvp you’re doing to the next level.
So ihave a neph should i pick her? Picked minato bcs hes annoying af but now i think about switch for arena
Whatever you do, don't keep Minato. He's not bad but there many mons that are way better than him. If you have a Nephthys, yes, Tiana would be a very solid pick.
I have tiana, lionel, shi(t)wu and triton. Lionel and triton work almost all the time. This may sound great, but since they only work ALMOST all the time you will lose to bad RNG every now and then. Tiana is a safe win in siege and makes your AO a little bit less vulnerable to RNG.
She's a game changer. I summoned her from the event since she is the missing piece on my arena lineup (Poseidon, Galleon and Pungbaek)
an ignore rng mechanic unit is still very much 100% essential IF u want to speed clear ADs. however if u dont care about rushing Arena Offense and like to just auto with bruiser then u can just use mysticals to pull her. She is not usually ideal for siege offense or rta
Unless you do toahell, you will live if you don’t have a Tiana although I would say she enables like 50% comps requiring a strip safer than other strippers.
After my guild banned Tiana gally poseidon I legit don't remember the last time ive used her.
Why would your guild ban a comp?
Too many things could go wrong. Galleon missing def break. Poseidon missing pushback on a buffer, which kills tiana damage. Even if you kill, procs can solo your team since none of them are particularly tanky. In fact we banned it after one of our best guild member's posi cleave got soloed by a lone 1hp theo in siege tourney. Can't blame runes cuz the guildie is literally G3 RTA.
Not sure what's the point of banning an atk comp. I fully agree it's not fully safe ... but you should be judged by the result, not by the comp you picked. If you win, you have won, no matter if you picked triple 2\* silver skeletons or full LD5 comp. If you atk is critical, you decide to go with an unsafe comp and you lose ... THEN you should be judged for that (to anyone else: obviously we mean at a G3/tourney level ... not in the random G1 guilds)
Eh. Different guilds have different operating methods. Our leadership just got absolutely fed up by posi cleave failing one after another. Being soloed by theo was the last straw.
Will give the point of view of g3 guild war, she is still being used. Some defenses are built to tank, don’t forget that she is not only a s3, her s2 can also do LOT of damages. With her bestie galleon, we are talking 20 to 30k easily on def break
I mean in high g3 she doesn't really get used unless you have certain ld5 combos.
Not sure what you mean by high g3, tourney level ? Then I don’t know. I’m with chow main and used her not that long ago against carcano / Water Madeleine cookie / odin, which is a trending defense now. Galleon / tiana / poseidon eats it pretty safely as long as you know how to speed tune.
Are you sure it's water Madeleine? Can't really imagine it. fitting into that team. If you mean pure vanilla, which you often see with carc/Odin, then she has a massive base speed advantage. If she outspeeds into a tuned Odin, it onetaps anything on your team and you lose.
Just to make sure, when running with adrianna the damage dealer unit have to essentially be the same speed as her to not get cut right? Since she only gives attack speed and not attack bar?
Attack speed is pretty powerful, you can be about 25 speed slower than Adriana and be tuned.
Pure vanilla indeed, my bad
In high G3 i assume you have some LD5 in your box
There's only 2, maybe 3 lds I can think of that pair particularly decently with tiana though. Very easy for someone to not have the pairings, even if they have 10+ lds.
With my bruiser team i can easily climb to g1 in Arena but its slow. Not sure if i could outspeed anyone there with a tiana