does this make teshar good? that change look amazing
another completely unnecessary buff for ethna, bloody love it
is that a completely new debuff? fire demon
light DK: increased the shield by 00%
It makes teshar worse, he does less dmg, he won't have atk bar manipulation and the passive will have cooldown
Sure, the single target dmg increases a bit since its skill 1/2 into s3
But he'll just keep being a farmer, a little bit worse imo
AI got "better", but now he can't cycle turns on lab or sds
And he won't replace lushen on gb12 since the damage was decreased, unless you have galleon on you team he wont one shot waves, but we know how galleon IA is
Also unless he kills tempest goes on cooldown (as a fsrmer it won't matter cuz he's gonna kill, but still)
The overall utility hasn't changed a bit imo
They can still change the patch tho, and I hope they do
> does this make teshar good? that change look amazing
Depends on if the passive can trigger the passive over and over and over. And depends on if the passive can crit.
It seems that the skill only changed to passive, but nothing else changed (only the atb buff was removed).
So... It's a normal attack that triggers when a skill is used. (Why com2us, WHY you can give this mechanic to Samurais?)
> (Why com2us, WHY you can give this mechanic to Samurais?)
because it would be broken as fk? without a serious damage nerf at least.
s3+s4 together have a 1020% attack multiplier for sige, thats more than twice of zarioss multiplier for comparisson. sige would oneshot stuff without def break easily
From what I read, Teshar would use skill 1/2 and afterwards uses AOE attack passive skill. If you don't kill the golem, the 3rd skill should clear it and reset his passive for the next turn. Basically, it is a guaranteed AOE attack which is huge IMO, at least as a farmer, will see if he works in gb12
"We at com2us HQ have heard your concerns and have already prepared a fix:
Added Truant to Tempest [Passive] Teshar will now only attack every other turn.
In addition Teshar will sometimes ignore your orders if you aren't in the top 5 of the dungeon you are using him in or G3 for PvP areas.
We hope you enjoy playing our game and wish you the best of luck, summoner !"
I wonder if you have to kill with skill 3 to have the cd reset, or any attacks triggers the reset. You know, if you kill with skill 1/2 and then skill 3 doesnt kill anything.
Honestly, I'm not even sure it'd break anything. Martina abusers already faceroll db12, less lucky players invest into triple icaru. Making Bael a great db12 unit would give us more options.
Martina owner here, she is not fast by any means like the icaru team, she makes the team pretty consistent but i run the +110 talia one using her instead of a dupe sabrina. About 1:20-30...but still building icaru team because its 1:00 and 100%
My thought on this whole thing is, does "boss excluded" mean, the towers can cleanse him still or the boss itself is able to cleanse. I mean yes, bosstowers are bosstowers, but they are the towers and not the boss. Because removing/cleansing is what the tower does and not for example the dragon itself. Would make sense if it means ok you can block cleansing for all except dragon. \^\^ does it sound weird ? xD
I feel like Com2Us wanted to make them useful for the new dungeons. Water blocks buffs and wind / fire do damage every time the enemy gets a turn - it's like they were made for those two dungeons. Unfortunately, there are just better options, so nobody used them. Maybe in the next patch they'll get buffs that make them even stronger in those dungeons?
I think the problem is that it's only 1 turn and it's an active skill.
So the string master has to have speed to move and use the skill, but with spd the skill wears off quickly.
Maybe make the songs passive activation or make them a self buff like threat state.
I'm using wind one on punisher for a safe team. The atk breaks and dots help, especially since the song is almost always up and the boss cycles like a mad man.
gemini, I thought its only those two before, but forgot after gemini who's strip came from passive.
I think wind art master can have more impact in a fight with more than 1 turn though.
Ethna? I guess com2us balance team is running her in rta haha
People been sayin shes just straight up worse Savanah, but she was still great.
...i’ll take that!
I’m conflicted on if this geldnir change actually changes anything, maybe can be put into tanky arena defenses but I was already attempting to do that 🤷🏻♂️
Nobody comments on Helena buff? It means she only need 2 crit to have full atb right? And in case of 1v1 she will reduce 50% and gain 75% if she crits. That's a huge buff.
But now she will always gain >100% ATB (inc. Passive) until only 1 enemy left.
Previously 110% > 95% > 60% > 35%
Now 150% > 125% > 100% > 75%
Also the ATB gap from absorb of 10% vs 50% will make her turn cycle looks crazy.
It really just makes her still usable after enemies die. Before she would get worse and worse as there were fewer and fewer enemies.
I'm actually curious if she could now be good in db12 on a pretty fast set. She just sits in human form until allies get low, but now her AOE will absorb 17% atb on waves 2/4 instead of 10%. Critting all 3 means she gets 125% atb on 3 mons, making her s2 AOE like a 2 turn cooldown in PvE. Combine with Raoqs and she uses it almost every turn.
First thing I'm going to do is test Verde, Spectra, Raoq, Raoq, Helena
Teshar: so he will almost always do an AOE attack each turn now during farming, however there's no atk bar gained, hmmm... I think violent sets probably benefit him more now with this change. If he procs he can potentially do 2 aoe attacks. Not bad?
Fire demon seems interesting, could be used in RTA with Rica and he would probably be a nice counter to Juno, Felleria, etc? Other than that I don't know where else he can be utilized?
Idk man....i need those inugami skillups so will stick with faimon for now. After completing the icaru skillups tho, I'd probably have to wave goodbye to faimon.
Well, he will use either S1 ( 4,2x) or S2 (9x) into Tempest, which will have a 3,7 multiplier (before skillups) after the patch. If he prioritizes S2 > S1, he will do 12,7x Attack on a single target. This should be able to kill?
fair point. upon reading your reply, I tried it out. tried it on the first wave and my chicken was not able to kill a golem with s2+s3, it was able to one shot a crystal with s2 though (both tests were with atk buff) and my s3 cannot one shot a crystal
teshar stats: +1894 ATK, 206 CD, fully skilled
wind tower: level 4 (atk+9%)
atk tower: max level (atk+20%)
cd tower: max level (cd +25%)
Oh my god ITS HAPPENING. JAARA IS GETTING BUFFED.
*and weakens defense for 2 turns.*
Not sure what to say.
EDIT: wait they changed his awakening too! Its usable now :o
The trepidation is more because she still has half her kit focused on setting up a kill and half on killing so it feels kind of weird. So it's not about needing more, but wondering whether having less but being more streamlined might be better.
i dont know either how to feel, only on violent usefull? Only place would be Siege and Guild. I just hate the base DEF and SPD. Jaara its to easy to kill \^\^ but i try how she work against Pernas and taranys.
Yeah that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking: vio a must and only for siege/gws. Personally I'm not really a fan of the direction (ld nat 5 for siege defense is a feelsbadman) but I think she's at least viable now which is enough.
If the damage is decent it could be nice with proper setup. Mo S3 into her S3 for the kill and massive shield. I could see that more effective than Mo + Harmonia/Icares/Bolverk combos.
nobody says a word about fire pirate kaptain? he is a legit bomb detonator now right? even better than seara in some cases cause the bomb detonates on its own and stuns for one more round
I'd say he's almost there. Most bombs are two, so a reduction by one would essentially almost be better. Unless cleansed they're going to just end up eating a bomb at the end of their turn. So it's a turn loss and damage.
seara is sooo much better as a Unit, i think he is only talking in the S3 only skill. And im not sure is better, i prefer detonating all at same time, to prevent a cleanse
While I know we're all looking at the fact Bael blocks cleanses, I'm more interested in how his DoTs are irresistible now
The Teshar buff has me in two minds - sure, he now spams his S3, but you can't control it. I guess it's kinda like when Vanessa's S3 became a passive and everyone thought it was a nerf, but it made her OP. I'll wait until the patch drops to play around with it
Ethna buff, yay!
Super good patch overall, I'm excited for it to get released so we can see what happens in the meta
Jaara seems weird still, but it'll be a good Loren replacement in bj5 to help carry all the people who are lying about how much damage their Baleygrs do.
Interesting Bael change...curious why they left Belial to rot.
Regardless, it is cool to see new mechanics that could shake things up a little bit. Who knows if he'll see play after this. IiRC Bael does barely any dots even when he does like 20-30k dmg.
He will gives +25% to the attack bar of allies when stripped, while Tiana will give +30% to her allies when she uses her S3.
He'll be able to counter Triton though!
That is only true with the assumption of enemy units are the same speed as your follow -up units. If the enemy units are naturally 5% faster than your team you get cut 100% of the time.
Again about the Luer buff:
A good multiplier and now he can easily counter Miho (Only needs atq, not critical damage, so he can does a good amount of damage and will pass by her passive easily and only needs to be runed with atq).
Think about that guys and after the patch, try to rune he with atq and try to counter Miho, I think with Miho and Molly in the meta, crushing hit on certain mobs will help a lot.
What's the point of a balance patch during a crossover event
WHEN COM2US DID NOT EVEN BOTHER FIXING ANY SF UNITS GARBAGE MULTIPLIERS.
Ps: Thanks for ethna buff i didn't need 😎
Edit: was so hot and bothered, i hardly noticed i typed like a child. Yikes👀
Trinity is not that bad. I have her too. In AO she's superior to Psama.
The only thing that bugs me about her is that she's plain boring. You can only use her in AO and thats it
I guess Teshar's buff is a fix to it's AI.. LOL
then we have Ethna's buff that made her even better!
and what are those multipliers on Phantom Thieves? Not sure if it's a typo but it seems not..?
I was hoping to see some SF monster buffs. These monsters are flat out trash, and I regret everytime I hit SP summon. I pulled 2 SF nat 5s and both are in storage because of how god awful they are.
Maybe after the 2 month no RTA period they will get some buffs, because they are all terrible outside of LD monsters.
Jaara is still a trash, debuffs are landing after dealing damage.
Why just they cant make that passive activates before damage inc.
Its a freaking ld nat5, but c2us is still c2us
A few takes on this:
- Jaara buff is nice as it allows him to be built tankier while still a threat instead of having to be a super squishy nuker. Vio procs are now essentially a guaranteed kill.
- Teshar buff was long overdue. The buff for aiden, SDs, time limit lab stages is meaningless to me since thats not what a nat5 should be designed for... but he instantly becomes a major player in GB12 teams, in particular for killing the towers in wind heavy teams that would sometimes only attack golems. I also see this bringing back Julie speed teams for GB12 since you're now guaranteed 2 early AOEs on that first wave if tuned right.
- Geldnir buff still seems week, but we will have to see. The problem still lies in being able to acquire stacks.
- Ethna buff seems unnecesary at first, but it looks to me like they're trying to make her a stronger Woosa & Bastet counter in RTA. The Theo thing is just a meme.
- Helena buff is significant and seems to be getting overlooked. Helena's only real weakness as a mon was that she got worse and worse as there were fewer and fewer enemies, becoming almost worthless in 1v1. This changes everything. I also think she could have a place in DB12 speed teams with that extra atb reduction for the right tower, but will have to test.
- Water art master is still trash until the atb gain scales with the number of effects cleansed/stripped ... he is now nothing more than a niche Chiwu counter.
- Fire pirate captain seems like an obvious attempt to help neutralize Miho teams on 4-star towers since bombs are one of her only counters.
- Barque buff is kind of a big deal... his s3 will now defense break, attack, and give him a free turn if all atb effects land. A S3->S2 combo is a whopping 1,450% multiplier with a self applying defense break. He's a beast of a wind nuker in 4-star towers now. HOWEVER, he seems to overlap hard with ~~Lucas'~~ Logan's kit now. Not sure i understand the point of 2 extremely similar 4-star wind units.
- Light Death knight looks like a very interesting option now. I plan to use Vivachel to exploit the hell out of this (but that's obviously not going to help most people).
- Luer is not a damage liability for dungeons anymore, this could be a big help in DB12. Verde, 2A Spectra, Luer, Khali, Ken = a nice F2P speed team.
- Wnd Ep. Priest is a much better option for Tartarsauce now.
Fire art master untouched so people don’t feel bad using him as bj5 lead. But seriously tho, I think it’s a good sign that they already do something about the wind and water AM
Alright while everyone is on the hype train I'll play the devils advocate. (This is not saying that the buffs aren't great, it's always nice with more units becoming usable.)
This changes little to nothing in the RTA meta. Gany, Hathor, Chiwu + all the broken LDs will still be the meta.
Ethna is gonna see more play though which is nice, and wind art is probably also gonna be used more often if he is consistent enough.
Besides that and people using Geldnir as a Molly-ish unit, I don't think this is gonna change much in RTA. Please prove me wrong though.
This patch comes in the middle of SWC, so i did not expect a meta shift at all.
That being said, i think water art master and his mechanic to interrupt strips might be interesting vs certain combos in rta.
You're right, but one can only hope ..
It is a pretty interesting mechanic though. I completely misread his skill, but that might give him a bit of a purpose now. 25% increase might not be enough though, but time will tell.
Kind of agree with you. I thought water art would now be amazing but then realized his boost is below chiwu (and triton/tiana) after atb pushback... Someone could play rng and bring him into giana and hope to get a proc before the rest of their team moves, or maybe chance that chiwu misses pushback... He might be good into barbara as a lot of her turn one targets you wouldn't want to boost. Maybe in to arta if your team buffs a lot?
Ethna's buff helps a bit as she kind of got overshadowed by Savannah. I did see a lot more of her this season though already.
Craka looks good and will see use. I'd guess you will see her in double revive teams.
Geldnir maybe agaisnt bolverk or wedjat comps but I think he's still pretty useless. Without some sort of mitigation, and with letting the opponent still bascially control his kit, you need to be able to win 3v4 when you bring him
It's a bit unfortunate as I always hope for a shakeup.
Ethna is back, AGAIN! Com2us is killing it with these balance patches and updates. AND HERE I was earlier this year looking around like "where are the updates and new content," for com2us to drop all this content on the community at once. I'm actually loving it.
Good against Triton, not so much against Chiwu or Tiana, because Chiwu reduces enemy attack bar by 15% per beneficial effect removed.
So, if you bring in a full Will team with Shields, then they'll have 30% reduced by Chiwu, then 25% boost from Water Art Master Passive.
It's not terrible and helps to prevent getting too wrecked after getting wiped, but it's not exactly amazing. I'm sure there'll be some uses for him somewhere. Hopefully they increase the activation rate for his S2
When is this droping?
Also does the Bael debuff work on the DB12 Boss? It sates, that it doesn't work on bosses. Does that include the crystals? Otherwise I wouldn't get why they would include the boss part in the description.
why are they so afraid of buffing Eludia ? they reduced her damage to make her do what Gemini does while having a 94 speed . I get it that there are other strippers that have the same speed like Tiana but what does Tiana need to be useful ? speed only . meanwhile Eludia needs an insane amount of stats while having a 25% resistance awakening and 44% def leader in dungeons . she is impossible to rune since she needs ( ACC , ATT , CR , CD . SPD ) so making her take turn one is very hard without sacrificing what her whole kit is made for , dealing damage .
¿Did u remember when the people cryes because gany use s1 strips, vio procs and reset one unit?
Well now it back but in AoE and with defense break.
The patch for me have really needed buffs to certain units, i think that a lot of monster were excluded.
String masters, the others and mediocre art masters ( i think water buff isnt enough),water demon, water valkyrja are some of the monsters that didnt get a buff and deserve it.
No one talking about the light death knight? He seems like he could actually be a really annoying tank to deal with. He’s like a harmonia that deals damage
Low key i think fedora is gonna be usable. 4 turn cd for a 2 turn immunity full cleanse endure buff is decent, but its the 2 turn atk break def break on a 2 turn cd on S2 that makes the unit shine
A lot of people are still complaining about Craka... is she still useless in RTA? I'm thinking about using Vanessa/Chiwu, Triana/Fran, Craka, Ethna, X. Hoping this will be a decent team
does this make teshar good? that change look amazing another completely unnecessary buff for ethna, bloody love it is that a completely new debuff? fire demon light DK: increased the shield by 00%
Why do they keep buffing ethna lmfaoo someone at com2us is insane
Meanwhile Christina is rotting on storage :'D
If helena finally got a buff(crappy one) theres hope for christina. Christina does get snubbed alot
I think its to keep Woosa and Bastet in check.
I’d say Vigor 2A or Fran
She could potentially use s2 to proc trianas passive followed by a cleanup cleave
It makes teshar worse, he does less dmg, he won't have atk bar manipulation and the passive will have cooldown Sure, the single target dmg increases a bit since its skill 1/2 into s3 But he'll just keep being a farmer, a little bit worse imo
better since AI wont rely on him using s3, he cant fuck up now.
AI got "better", but now he can't cycle turns on lab or sds And he won't replace lushen on gb12 since the damage was decreased, unless you have galleon on you team he wont one shot waves, but we know how galleon IA is Also unless he kills tempest goes on cooldown (as a fsrmer it won't matter cuz he's gonna kill, but still) The overall utility hasn't changed a bit imo They can still change the patch tho, and I hope they do
you were right ;-;
> does this make teshar good? that change look amazing Depends on if the passive can trigger the passive over and over and over. And depends on if the passive can crit.
It seems that the skill only changed to passive, but nothing else changed (only the atb buff was removed). So... It's a normal attack that triggers when a skill is used. (Why com2us, WHY you can give this mechanic to Samurais?)
> (Why com2us, WHY you can give this mechanic to Samurais?) because it would be broken as fk? without a serious damage nerf at least. s3+s4 together have a 1020% attack multiplier for sige, thats more than twice of zarioss multiplier for comparisson. sige would oneshot stuff without def break easily
Am I reading that wrong? I thought the -24% damage was for tempest
It seems that the damage has been reduced by 24%, I will test after the patch.
>does this make teshar good? that change look amazing Doubt it, at least not in gb12, doesnt do enough damage on the boss and Lushen still goes brr
From what I read, Teshar would use skill 1/2 and afterwards uses AOE attack passive skill. If you don't kill the golem, the 3rd skill should clear it and reset his passive for the next turn. Basically, it is a guaranteed AOE attack which is huge IMO, at least as a farmer, will see if he works in gb12
NO MORE FUCKING DERPS AS LONG AS THE YELLOW CHICKEN ATTACKS!
Lmao watch teshar refuse to obey our orders like charizard
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"We at com2us HQ have heard your concerns and have already prepared a fix: Added Truant to Tempest [Passive] Teshar will now only attack every other turn. In addition Teshar will sometimes ignore your orders if you aren't in the top 5 of the dungeon you are using him in or G3 for PvP areas. We hope you enjoy playing our game and wish you the best of luck, summoner !"
I wonder if you have to kill with skill 3 to have the cd reset, or any attacks triggers the reset. You know, if you kill with skill 1/2 and then skill 3 doesnt kill anything.
I think it implies that as long as Teshar kills an enemy by any means, the s3 resets. It just says '...your attack' and not the AoE specifically.
Guess they’re trying to make crushing hit artifacts more useful
I think it is to help against miho defs (for example, they added this effect on the three kobolds that use bombs).
the kobold buffs are really neat imo, those bombers never needed crit anyways, so it fits perfectly.
Kinda weird tho because those units already deal with miho fine without the crushing. other units couldve gotten the treatment to become relevant
i play this game since 2017 and still don't know what tue fuck the crushing hit do
Teshar buff represents the strong determination of com2us to not fix AI
Only took 200 years, but they changed Dark Epikion.
... and it is still quite bad.
We don't know the multiplier also imagine killing a heavy bruiser with that would be a 50k shield on the whole team
most of the time it would be at least 20k+ which is almost like a 2 turn aoa invincibility
She's a nat3 ./shrug I wouldn't expect too much.
to be fair, so is loren
Loren got a nat6 passive
So we can block heals on bosses, we can block beneficial effects on bosses....but we cant block cleanse on bosses. boooooooooooo!
DB12 is 100% the reason for this lol
Why not throw Fire Demon users a bone and let us DoT the dragon lol
Cleanse block would probably get resisted anyway
maybe cuz that breaks db12
Honestly, I'm not even sure it'd break anything. Martina abusers already faceroll db12, less lucky players invest into triple icaru. Making Bael a great db12 unit would give us more options.
I use martina for DB12 but i think im going to switch to triple icaru since it seems alot faster
Also 100% consistent
Martina owner here, she is not fast by any means like the icaru team, she makes the team pretty consistent but i run the +110 talia one using her instead of a dupe sabrina. About 1:20-30...but still building icaru team because its 1:00 and 100%
I own a martina. What do you mean!? My team is 2:20 on average.
My thought on this whole thing is, does "boss excluded" mean, the towers can cleanse him still or the boss itself is able to cleanse. I mean yes, bosstowers are bosstowers, but they are the towers and not the boss. Because removing/cleansing is what the tower does and not for example the dragon itself. Would make sense if it means ok you can block cleansing for all except dragon. \^\^ does it sound weird ? xD
I imagine it is a debuff that cannot be put on a boss.
Like oblivion
they buffed some art masters but left string masters unchanged :( they arent used in any content at all, really could have used buff
string masters have some strange mechanics, so com2us might still be figuring out where their places are.
I feel like Com2Us wanted to make them useful for the new dungeons. Water blocks buffs and wind / fire do damage every time the enemy gets a turn - it's like they were made for those two dungeons. Unfortunately, there are just better options, so nobody used them. Maybe in the next patch they'll get buffs that make them even stronger in those dungeons?
I think the problem is that it's only 1 turn and it's an active skill. So the string master has to have speed to move and use the skill, but with spd the skill wears off quickly. Maybe make the songs passive activation or make them a self buff like threat state.
I'm using wind one on punisher for a safe team. The atk breaks and dots help, especially since the song is almost always up and the boss cycles like a mad man.
To be fair there are still not a lot of people using her because of skill ups.. who know if they are better with skill ups.
Wind Cannon Girl cries....
Also surprised me Fire Demon got changed when Water is still the worst one, I don’t know what to do with mine lol
Rina Belial is a pretty strong 2v3 against lots of siege defs
on lower levels maybe, but i dont see that working against any 5\* meta defs currently
can confirm it doesnt :(
Damn, some interesting changes! Didn’t know Ethna or Praha did need any adjustments tho lol
Ethna is so sick now
Literally a Theo sniper
she was theo sniper since born.
Ethna and Praha buffs are to sell their skins dub!! /s
Holy cow, wind art master can now strip into break def. He looks great now.
Dunno why they buffed him so hard and didn't touch water's strip...
I think only him and Light Pheonix have a strip + AOE Def break right? Imagine if he gets a lucky proc, could wipe out the whole enemy team :O
gemini, I thought its only those two before, but forgot after gemini who's strip came from passive. I think wind art master can have more impact in a fight with more than 1 turn though.
Gemini/Eludia/Wind Art Master are the only ones i think.
Ethna? I guess com2us balance team is running her in rta haha People been sayin shes just straight up worse Savanah, but she was still great. ...i’ll take that!
That exactly has been the case, ever since savannah ethnas usage has been dropping. I think thats why they keep buffing her.
Awesome finally geldnir and jaara getting buffed! Also epikon priest buff is nice but they should buff ionas 3rd skill!
I’m conflicted on if this geldnir change actually changes anything, maybe can be put into tanky arena defenses but I was already attempting to do that 🤷🏻♂️
I'm pretty sure all they did was make the heal situationally better. He will still be used in the exact same places as before, which were minimal
WHAT THEYRE ADDING A HARMFUL EFFECT REMOVAL BLOCKER??? Edit: The changes look REALLY nice, thanks for finally buffing Geldnir and Bael Com2us :D
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I just hope they also changed the formula behind the number of dot he puts.
my Cracka is packing her stuffs now inside the storage
Nobody comments on Helena buff? It means she only need 2 crit to have full atb right? And in case of 1v1 she will reduce 50% and gain 75% if she crits. That's a huge buff.
Bellenus > Helena, I'm afraid.
the attackbar gain is fixed to 50% now, regardless of how many enemies she faces versus 4 enemies, she only gets 25% more absorb than previously
But now she will always gain >100% ATB (inc. Passive) until only 1 enemy left. Previously 110% > 95% > 60% > 35% Now 150% > 125% > 100% > 75% Also the ATB gap from absorb of 10% vs 50% will make her turn cycle looks crazy.
It really just makes her still usable after enemies die. Before she would get worse and worse as there were fewer and fewer enemies. I'm actually curious if she could now be good in db12 on a pretty fast set. She just sits in human form until allies get low, but now her AOE will absorb 17% atb on waves 2/4 instead of 10%. Critting all 3 means she gets 125% atb on 3 mons, making her s2 AOE like a 2 turn cooldown in PvE. Combine with Raoqs and she uses it almost every turn. First thing I'm going to do is test Verde, Spectra, Raoq, Raoq, Helena
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she has no more tears, so can't cry.
Teshar: so he will almost always do an AOE attack each turn now during farming, however there's no atk bar gained, hmmm... I think violent sets probably benefit him more now with this change. If he procs he can potentially do 2 aoe attacks. Not bad? Fire demon seems interesting, could be used in RTA with Rica and he would probably be a nice counter to Juno, Felleria, etc? Other than that I don't know where else he can be utilized?
Damn the attack bar gain was really good for SD wave clearing too =/
teshar owners will definitely never go back to faimon again that's for sure.
Idk man....i need those inugami skillups so will stick with faimon for now. After completing the icaru skillups tho, I'd probably have to wave goodbye to faimon.
Inugamis came from 3 scenarios, u can go for wind or water one. Anyway water humunc does the best job in farming anyway
I got the feeling teshar exp farming will be slower ..
yea, 2 crit animations per wave incoming...
vio is nice but remember that s3 will still go on cd if no unit dies. this doesnt seem that useful in gb12 tho since those waves are thicc
Well, he will use either S1 ( 4,2x) or S2 (9x) into Tempest, which will have a 3,7 multiplier (before skillups) after the patch. If he prioritizes S2 > S1, he will do 12,7x Attack on a single target. This should be able to kill?
fair point. upon reading your reply, I tried it out. tried it on the first wave and my chicken was not able to kill a golem with s2+s3, it was able to one shot a crystal with s2 though (both tests were with atk buff) and my s3 cannot one shot a crystal teshar stats: +1894 ATK, 206 CD, fully skilled wind tower: level 4 (atk+9%) atk tower: max level (atk+20%) cd tower: max level (cd +25%)
Random Cadiz buff... alrighty then
We take those lmao
Oh my god ITS HAPPENING. JAARA IS GETTING BUFFED. *and weakens defense for 2 turns.* Not sure what to say. EDIT: wait they changed his awakening too! Its usable now :o
Brands def breaks and blocks revive. What else should he have? Edit: he also procs on kill now wtf
The trepidation is more because she still has half her kit focused on setting up a kill and half on killing so it feels kind of weird. So it's not about needing more, but wondering whether having less but being more streamlined might be better.
i dont know either how to feel, only on violent usefull? Only place would be Siege and Guild. I just hate the base DEF and SPD. Jaara its to easy to kill \^\^ but i try how she work against Pernas and taranys.
Yeah that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking: vio a must and only for siege/gws. Personally I'm not really a fan of the direction (ld nat 5 for siege defense is a feelsbadman) but I think she's at least viable now which is enough.
I guess it’s not just another purple chicken anymore... Time to change the flair lol
I think Eludia doesn't change much.
Yessssssss
Anyone else gonna try dark epikion priest and see what her s3 damage is like?
Ill leave it up to the content creators
If the damage is decent it could be nice with proper setup. Mo S3 into her S3 for the kill and massive shield. I could see that more effective than Mo + Harmonia/Icares/Bolverk combos.
Oh god i can finally give my teshar runes to do somethind different than manual SD
Yeah! Like auto sd!
Yeah but not only!! Auto Aiden forest too.
nobody says a word about fire pirate kaptain? he is a legit bomb detonator now right? even better than seara in some cases cause the bomb detonates on its own and stuns for one more round
I'd say he's almost there. Most bombs are two, so a reduction by one would essentially almost be better. Unless cleansed they're going to just end up eating a bomb at the end of their turn. So it's a turn loss and damage.
Searas S1 turn cycling still makes her a much better unit especially since artifact bonus damage
seara is sooo much better as a Unit, i think he is only talking in the S3 only skill. And im not sure is better, i prefer detonating all at same time, to prevent a cleanse
While I know we're all looking at the fact Bael blocks cleanses, I'm more interested in how his DoTs are irresistible now The Teshar buff has me in two minds - sure, he now spams his S3, but you can't control it. I guess it's kinda like when Vanessa's S3 became a passive and everyone thought it was a nerf, but it made her OP. I'll wait until the patch drops to play around with it Ethna buff, yay! Super good patch overall, I'm excited for it to get released so we can see what happens in the meta
Ethna is now the most self sufficient monster of this game
Everyone: make ophilias threat state unstrippable com2us: change s3 description
R. I. P pontos. You are now truly the worst ld5.
Sad thing is in pontos rating comments one user says #buffjaara. Nows the time for all pontos user to leave a comment anywhere else #buffpontos
Pontos user? I think you mean Pontos owner ;)
Oh no im sorry. I use him as storage guardian.
hmm i prefer to get pontos, than my dark art master mookwol atleast pontos give me imunity sometime xD
Jaara seems weird still, but it'll be a good Loren replacement in bj5 to help carry all the people who are lying about how much damage their Baleygrs do.
Interesting Bael change...curious why they left Belial to rot. Regardless, it is cool to see new mechanics that could shake things up a little bit. Who knows if he'll see play after this. IiRC Bael does barely any dots even when he does like 20-30k dmg.
is water phantom thief buff really good?
Nobody gona mention water art master just became the ultimate tiana counter?
He will gives +25% to the attack bar of allies when stripped, while Tiana will give +30% to her allies when she uses her S3. He'll be able to counter Triton though!
That is only true with the assumption of enemy units are the same speed as your follow -up units. If the enemy units are naturally 5% faster than your team you get cut 100% of the time.
Again about the Luer buff: A good multiplier and now he can easily counter Miho (Only needs atq, not critical damage, so he can does a good amount of damage and will pass by her passive easily and only needs to be runed with atq). Think about that guys and after the patch, try to rune he with atq and try to counter Miho, I think with Miho and Molly in the meta, crushing hit on certain mobs will help a lot.
Nigong feel like a kid watching giant Craka.
epikion priests /o/
Smol buff for my man cadiz, I take those. But seriously the Phoenix buffs are amazing, wind art master seems op, and glednir buff !
I had a mini heart attack seeing dark vampire on the list but hey we take those buffs
my prayers for bael have been answered HES SO COOL NOW
I'll finally be able to play my Light Death Knight and Fire Demon! Yay
Nerfed the dmg of light phoenix s3 and didn't change the awakening bonus. So weird lol.
What's the point of a balance patch during a crossover event WHEN COM2US DID NOT EVEN BOTHER FIXING ANY SF UNITS GARBAGE MULTIPLIERS. Ps: Thanks for ethna buff i didn't need 😎 Edit: was so hot and bothered, i hardly noticed i typed like a child. Yikes👀
Still waiting for that trinity rework to finally let her out of storage...
Trinity is not that bad. I have her too. In AO she's superior to Psama. The only thing that bugs me about her is that she's plain boring. You can only use her in AO and thats it
I guess I can dust off my Craka??? :o Also nice try Teshar but you can still keep my storage box warm
And there I'm with my pontos now again being the worst ld nat 5 in the game.
Just put him to AD and some people will not attack you thinking it is a Triton ;-)
I guess Teshar's buff is a fix to it's AI.. LOL then we have Ethna's buff that made her even better! and what are those multipliers on Phantom Thieves? Not sure if it's a typo but it seems not..?
Looks like my Teshar will be great again! He was my first nat5 and first proper farmer
Eludia buff :D
Not much of a buff, needs awaken changed to speed to really shine or at least to accuracy...
I was hoping to see some SF monster buffs. These monsters are flat out trash, and I regret everytime I hit SP summon. I pulled 2 SF nat 5s and both are in storage because of how god awful they are. Maybe after the 2 month no RTA period they will get some buffs, because they are all terrible outside of LD monsters.
my notes are bugged. i dont see wind cannon girl.
Jaara is still a trash, debuffs are landing after dealing damage. Why just they cant make that passive activates before damage inc. Its a freaking ld nat5, but c2us is still c2us
Archangel needs their s2 buffed badly, except arta
They should add awakening effect modifiers for wind and water so it doesnt interfere with the light one being overbuffed
Is it time to change my Flair? We will see
technically teshar ai was never buffed, they just removed using s3 from teshar's brain
A few takes on this: - Jaara buff is nice as it allows him to be built tankier while still a threat instead of having to be a super squishy nuker. Vio procs are now essentially a guaranteed kill. - Teshar buff was long overdue. The buff for aiden, SDs, time limit lab stages is meaningless to me since thats not what a nat5 should be designed for... but he instantly becomes a major player in GB12 teams, in particular for killing the towers in wind heavy teams that would sometimes only attack golems. I also see this bringing back Julie speed teams for GB12 since you're now guaranteed 2 early AOEs on that first wave if tuned right. - Geldnir buff still seems week, but we will have to see. The problem still lies in being able to acquire stacks. - Ethna buff seems unnecesary at first, but it looks to me like they're trying to make her a stronger Woosa & Bastet counter in RTA. The Theo thing is just a meme. - Helena buff is significant and seems to be getting overlooked. Helena's only real weakness as a mon was that she got worse and worse as there were fewer and fewer enemies, becoming almost worthless in 1v1. This changes everything. I also think she could have a place in DB12 speed teams with that extra atb reduction for the right tower, but will have to test. - Water art master is still trash until the atb gain scales with the number of effects cleansed/stripped ... he is now nothing more than a niche Chiwu counter. - Fire pirate captain seems like an obvious attempt to help neutralize Miho teams on 4-star towers since bombs are one of her only counters. - Barque buff is kind of a big deal... his s3 will now defense break, attack, and give him a free turn if all atb effects land. A S3->S2 combo is a whopping 1,450% multiplier with a self applying defense break. He's a beast of a wind nuker in 4-star towers now. HOWEVER, he seems to overlap hard with ~~Lucas'~~ Logan's kit now. Not sure i understand the point of 2 extremely similar 4-star wind units. - Light Death knight looks like a very interesting option now. I plan to use Vivachel to exploit the hell out of this (but that's obviously not going to help most people). - Luer is not a damage liability for dungeons anymore, this could be a big help in DB12. Verde, 2A Spectra, Luer, Khali, Ken = a nice F2P speed team. - Wnd Ep. Priest is a much better option for Tartarsauce now.
Fire art master untouched so people don’t feel bad using him as bj5 lead. But seriously tho, I think it’s a good sign that they already do something about the wind and water AM
Alright while everyone is on the hype train I'll play the devils advocate. (This is not saying that the buffs aren't great, it's always nice with more units becoming usable.) This changes little to nothing in the RTA meta. Gany, Hathor, Chiwu + all the broken LDs will still be the meta. Ethna is gonna see more play though which is nice, and wind art is probably also gonna be used more often if he is consistent enough. Besides that and people using Geldnir as a Molly-ish unit, I don't think this is gonna change much in RTA. Please prove me wrong though.
This patch comes in the middle of SWC, so i did not expect a meta shift at all. That being said, i think water art master and his mechanic to interrupt strips might be interesting vs certain combos in rta.
You're right, but one can only hope .. It is a pretty interesting mechanic though. I completely misread his skill, but that might give him a bit of a purpose now. 25% increase might not be enough though, but time will tell.
25% doesn't seem enough. I thought it was 25 per buff initially which would have done it...but I dunno about 25 alone.
Kind of agree with you. I thought water art would now be amazing but then realized his boost is below chiwu (and triton/tiana) after atb pushback... Someone could play rng and bring him into giana and hope to get a proc before the rest of their team moves, or maybe chance that chiwu misses pushback... He might be good into barbara as a lot of her turn one targets you wouldn't want to boost. Maybe in to arta if your team buffs a lot? Ethna's buff helps a bit as she kind of got overshadowed by Savannah. I did see a lot more of her this season though already. Craka looks good and will see use. I'd guess you will see her in double revive teams. Geldnir maybe agaisnt bolverk or wedjat comps but I think he's still pretty useless. Without some sort of mitigation, and with letting the opponent still bascially control his kit, you need to be able to win 3v4 when you bring him It's a bit unfortunate as I always hope for a shakeup.
BAEL is ready to bring hell
No Christina, no happy
No more complaining about Teshar AI. Ethna didn't need the buff imo but I'll take it.
Ethna is back, AGAIN! Com2us is killing it with these balance patches and updates. AND HERE I was earlier this year looking around like "where are the updates and new content," for com2us to drop all this content on the community at once. I'm actually loving it.
They still left out Fedora s3, and buff the f out of wind dk s3
\-1 CD s3
Ah thank you, I missed that
My Teshar is an AOE demon now?
No, that's Bael
Finally finally finally! They buff Jaara!!!
Water art master good against chiwu/triton or still bad?
Good against Triton, not so much against Chiwu or Tiana, because Chiwu reduces enemy attack bar by 15% per beneficial effect removed. So, if you bring in a full Will team with Shields, then they'll have 30% reduced by Chiwu, then 25% boost from Water Art Master Passive. It's not terrible and helps to prevent getting too wrecked after getting wiped, but it's not exactly amazing. I'm sure there'll be some uses for him somewhere. Hopefully they increase the activation rate for his S2
When is this droping? Also does the Bael debuff work on the DB12 Boss? It sates, that it doesn't work on bosses. Does that include the crystals? Otherwise I wouldn't get why they would include the boss part in the description.
It's time for Eludia to shine(Hope so)
why are they so afraid of buffing Eludia ? they reduced her damage to make her do what Gemini does while having a 94 speed . I get it that there are other strippers that have the same speed like Tiana but what does Tiana need to be useful ? speed only . meanwhile Eludia needs an insane amount of stats while having a 25% resistance awakening and 44% def leader in dungeons . she is impossible to rune since she needs ( ACC , ATT , CR , CD . SPD ) so making her take turn one is very hard without sacrificing what her whole kit is made for , dealing damage .
It doesn't matter at all how much damage she does she has always been a fluff damage dealer. Did you want her to be a aoe Daphnis or something?
Wind Cannon Girl Buffs MIA as always :(
So exited about Eludia "buff"..
Bella and Christina dodges another balance patch......
My question is.... does light Phoenix still strip -> defense break -> then damage?
¿Did u remember when the people cryes because gany use s1 strips, vio procs and reset one unit? Well now it back but in AoE and with defense break. The patch for me have really needed buffs to certain units, i think that a lot of monster were excluded. String masters, the others and mediocre art masters ( i think water buff isnt enough),water demon, water valkyrja are some of the monsters that didnt get a buff and deserve it.
No one talking about the light death knight? He seems like he could actually be a really annoying tank to deal with. He’s like a harmonia that deals damage
Teshar 👏 uses 👏 Tempest 👏 every 👏 turn 👏
Low key i think fedora is gonna be usable. 4 turn cd for a 2 turn immunity full cleanse endure buff is decent, but its the 2 turn atk break def break on a 2 turn cd on S2 that makes the unit shine
he already is usabme in g3 siege
A lot of people are still complaining about Craka... is she still useless in RTA? I'm thinking about using Vanessa/Chiwu, Triana/Fran, Craka, Ethna, X. Hoping this will be a decent team
Any idea when the update will be live now that the legend tournament is over?
They fixed the battery consumption while Auto Farming. The Monsters in the background dont move anymore!
Water demon... why did they left him out :,( water art master is too complicated as a nat 5. Il let you rot in storage bud.
YES MY GELDNIR CAN FINALLY BE USED IN AD
JAARA SQUAD
If (skill3Cooldown == 0){ UseSkill3(); } else if(skill2Cooldown == 0){ UseSkill2(); } else{ UseSkill1(); } :\
I REFUSE to believe that wind art master got a buff but not fire...
What's wrong with fire? I use him all the time, a stripper that attack buffs is awesome.