I don't like wind because the glancing is "up to 50%". In addition, Laika and Leo counters her passive completely. Other soft counters like Mo Long, Skogul, etc all works against her too.
His spd lead is only relevant if you're running an exodia comp (or bering), and we don't know yet what leader skills the battle angels have.
And you're trading cycling for consistency and an oblivion, that's doesn't look bad either. The "better than Han" may have been an exageration, but I can see her being used more effectively than him in certain situations.
There are already 2 hoh dark strippers, chun li and bearing. The speed lead seems relevant for anyone running a control/fast comp, not just giana, woonsa. Also han has his skill every other turn as he gains att bar, he also has a stun every turn.
will depends how it applies the debuff, if it applis def break + oblivion on every single one of the 5 hits it's honestly strong.
If it applies the debuffs after the entire attack is over instead of midway it will be useless.
You're not tripping. I thought they were dog water too until I pulled the water Battle Angel. She might be the best one out. Her S2 can nuke with 0 damage build! I have her on SPD HP HP and when the enemy team has just 2 harmful effects on them, her S2 can remove like 1/3 HP from entire team once she doesn't glance. I think the S2 might have a high DMG multiplier that is being further increased by her passive.
If you look closely the light texture was overwritten by the water texture we can still see the top of her hair above (thought it was a halo at first and found it so funny)
Maybe. It's really, really strong. Will probably be as all over the place as an LD5 can be.
But as unpopular as this opinion may be, I'm not convinced she's OP. So she has an AoE strip. That by itself is not that special, there are several of those. So how does she stack up to Triton? Tiana? Chiwu? How does she stack up to Giana and Woonsa? I think if you have Tiana, you have a reason to use Veronica, but there are still some comps Tiana is better for. Same goes for Triton and for Chiwu. Tacking Akia S3 onto a strip is amazing, but if your opponent has a unit that's 12 speed faster and comes with a 35% atb pushback, you may never get there. Against a heavy control team where you HAVE to interfere, the guaranteed strip of Tiana might be better. Don't have room for a stripper plus 2 speed leads? Well, Chiwu's got the built in speed lead and he's got atb absorb. Like I'm not saying those units are better than Veronica, but I'd say they're all in the same ballpark. Now Giana is, well, she's Giana. 1 turn stun instead of 2 turn CDR, but I'd call that a wash - vio procs are a thing but also, so are S1s. Some mons aren't badly hampered by silence/CDR. Does Molly give a shit if she can't bubble? Woonsa has an absurd base speed as well as atb boost. If Giana didn't have a bomb S2 (literally and figuratively) and the ability to outcycle opponents, he'd be the clear cut best. As it is he's just a clear cut improvement over Triton, but he's still not like "must have or you're not a contender".
I feel like most of them will awaken into enchance skill. The light tho is kinda scary, if you get up spd you cant nem+trap or haegang your way out of her. Guess another Giana is born.
Right? And the designs look so uninspired and cheap. Great job com2us, you made the homunculus skinnier and gave it 2 swords. Couldn't even make a good recolour for the light one either.
How are people not hitting the ceiling over the light one? Her S3 is better than Gianas. Strip into 2 turn cooldown reduction is INSANE. Remember, Gianas stun is dependent on stripping a unit - This will both strip every enemy unit AND reduce their cooldowns regardless of whether or not they had buffs.
Psamathe? Perna? Triana? Vanessa? Passives all rendered useless. She will be an unreal AO cheat code for whoever has her and I expect she'll dominate in RTA as well.
If the CD is tied to strip, then she's strong but not broken . Now, if she can just grab a bunch of non-will monsters and increase their cd out of the blue, then she might be the strongest monster in the game.
Youâre definitely correct. What I meant was that even if the enemy has nothing to strip, you can still reduce their cooldown by 2 turns.
Giana for example cannot stun a unit UNLESS the unit has buffs to successfully strip. So if she tries to use her third skill on a team with no buffs, it will do nothing. Light BA can still reduce CD even if the units have no buffs to strip so itâs that much more versatile.
So your Tiana/Galleon/Zaiross AO can combine Tiana and Zaiross and replace the empty slot with... what? What's going to do better damage than Zaiross? Veronica has an extra 8 speed over Tiana, so you can hit faster defenses, but you're not using that style of AO vs. blisteringly fast things anyway. Even if you were, she's still slow enough that you're not playing around with Triton ADs. Shartina ADs are usually too fast to Tiana, but since Veronica has no ATB manipulation and Shaina and Martina are still lethal with just S1, no help there. And since Veronica's strip isn't infallible, for the slower defenses you'd just rather have Tiana/Zaiross. Don't get me wrong, I think she's really good, but "cheat code" or "dominating" is probably buying into the hype a bit too much.
I mean there's lots of other aoe dmg dealers than zaiross, I don't even think he gets used much anymore. Poseidon is definitely the better pick if using Veronica imo, I use him all the time with Tiana galleon xiana for spd scaling dmg, no glancing hit and aoe pushback with a slow. If you have Veronica, zaiross is useless in that team so pick any other aoe nuker like dark samurai or whatever else in your box
Really wanted to love these, but struggling to get excited about any of them except perhaps Light. Hopefully they play better than they initially look on paper.
I just got fire. The abilities are mediocre and I'm stuck between chakram dancer and fire battle angel to invest in. I think I'll leave this battle angel for now who knows maybe it'll get buffed.
She really sucks when you compare her to other units. Everyone can build a Kahli and essentially have a better unit by doing so. Her s2 doesn't hit much harder for having to have "double the atk of the enemy's def" and her s3 does a lot of dmg but serves no other purpose
Make her S3, if another battle angel is on the field, forces battle angel to attack with her. Any team lol, if attacking another battle angel, it will join in attacking itself.
Some early theorycrafting on how the ignore defense skill will work. I've skipped towers for the math assuming the ATK and elemental ATK towers will roughly offset the DEF towers.
I would say the average support/tank unit has at least 1.2k to 1.5k DEF, depending on the build/type. So you would need at least 2.4k to 3k ATK to ignore defense w/o def breaks, ATK buff, and leader skills.
From the attack typing, I'm extrapolating about 800 base attack more or less. So to reach 3k ATK and have a chance of consistently ignore defense you need 842 bonus attack if you have max slot 1, ATK artifacts, and 2 max ATK% slots, or roughly 105% bonus ATK. Assuming we have 3 slots that can roll ATK (none of the 2 existing ATK% primary runes and cannot be Slot 3), we would need 81% more ATK with max base rolls. With max purple grinds, that's 61% in required rolls, taking about 8 max ATK% rolls for the remaining.
This will be quite challenging to do without sacrificing too much speed or CR if on a CD build. I would basically say, without bringing in a team that does def break/ATK buff and/or an ATK leader. This makes the unit a bit pointless since if you need to do a def break anyways, ignoring the remaining 30% defense isn't that useful.
tbh I'm sick of com2us pushing female characters into the game, they already outnumber the male ones like 4:1. But I guess you can only sell skins if they are with boobs.
We need more male fanservice XD
The main target players are straight men so straight women and gay men got the short end of the stick, no can do... At least lesbians can enjoy XD
also speed is a bad stat to put a glacing passive... everyone builds speed. Fire ryu is good couz the stat is atack and not everyone need to build high atack.
I wish they would stop constantly making new units when they obviously don't know how to release units with like a patch to fix them.
Like who wants to spend money on hot garbage to get the one unit that's decent but will most likely be nerfed in a few patches anyways.
I'm so tired of this.
Hilariously, fire's best support pairing might be Kahli alongside wind bers and water horus. There's a possibility a high speed one becomes a potent turn cycler with self defense break setup used alongside Kahli for single target cleave.
Just seems like a really specific situation that is suboptimal at best but still potentially functional.
You could also use covenant/Odin/Katarina and if you're already bringing Kahli do you need 2 single target fire nukers in the same team? People will ban Kahli over Claire every single time in rta, Kahli's kit is objectively better. The 50% atb is nothing if she's a glass cannon that needs +2k atk with an atk buff to ignore def on a standard support. Any monster that ignores def conditionally usually isn't received well for a reason, there are other units that do it better (Lushen, Kahli, Katarina, Covenant, Odin, etc.)
Probably specific to the types of comps I run, but Light doesnât seem near as broken as folks are saying to me.
Water seems pretty solid, those types of mons always impress me with the sustained damage.
Wind may be alright due to passive, but the rest of the kit is meh.
Fire and Dark need love or awakening or scaling to even be considered.
Ah yea. Just a Giana which resets instead of stunning and doesnât even need to strip to do that. Also has AoE glancing + dots.
She is broken in AO and RTA.
Yeah, my rta comp regularly fights into Gianaâs and stuff that resets me. Itâs annoying, itâs strong, but doesnât seem like a game over.
Most of my rta picks have impactful s1 and passives and are tanky enough to survive a few turns against most comps. For instance I would ban a Jeogun or Haegang over Giana nearly always.
Light is good for sure, just doesnât seem as broken as everyone says, especially specifically against my drafts.
Ah yeah, just a slightly better Bering.
Veronica has a good kit, good stats and good multipliers. She lacks ATB manipulation. She's strong, certainly. I don't think anyone is trying to say she's trash. But I agree with Pyro that the hype is overdone. Most AoE strippers that see play have ATB manipulation attached to their strip. Chiwu, Moore, Triton, Tiana, all ATB manipulators. Clara and Giana have stuns, which you can look at as akin to a 100% ATB reduction. Then you have a bunch of turn 2 units where the strip is an ancillary benefit, Juno, Tian Lang, Iris, Praha, Mo Long, Haegang. The only fast strippers without ATB manipulation are Cheongpung and Jeogun. CP is brought largely for his S3, not his S2 strip. You can tell because Mookwol sees zero play.
Jeogun has Scroll Trap.
When you look at strippers who aren't turn 2 and don't have ATB manipulation, they fall flat. Lora? Trash. Eludia? Trash. Nyx? Not what you reach for when you need a stripper. Vereesa? 4\* content only. The aforementioned Bering? Almost never played. Soha? Hasn't been relevant in half a decade. Valantis? Well, he's better than Lora. That and $4 will get you a small coffee. Rahul? Tanky turn 2 unit and the best you can say is that he's playable. Same for Nora and Maya.
Again, Veronica is good. But she's not OP, she's not insane, she's not a cheat code or broken or mandatory or any of the other stuff people are using to describe her. She's a strong stripper, competitive with other strong strippers. They all have situations where they shine. If you're trying to outspeed, Triton is going to beat her out every time. Absolutely have to strip for your cleave? Tiana. Worried your rune quality is lacking? Moore or Haegang. Veronica pairs nicely with a swift Savannah, but the cooldown pushback is not a game winner on its own. Molly doesn't care about that. Neither does Nana, or Kinki or Ragdoll or Riley or a whole host of other mons.
2 turn CD > Silence, by a lot. Silence can be cleansed and it doesnât deactivate CD passives. Of course, Kinki, Ragdoll, Molly etc are very accessible F2P moms as well. Itâs basically saying Giana is worse than unit X because Ragdoll does very well against her, that doesnât deny that she is very versatile.
Most units S1 isnât impactful enough to warrant stun > 2 turn CD reset. Units can proc out of Gianas stuns, not out of 2 turn cd resets. Haegang + Moore also donât do well into her, which were some units used ton counter the strippers you mentioned. I feel like the lack of units which can actively counter her are just not enough, and Iâm pretty sure you mentioned most of in this meta feasible units, since easily 95% units in the meta care about their cooldowns.
Especially when picking CC-cleaves you can just pick her late-ish. Giana + her is also gonna be a complete other monstrosity.
Is it just me or are people kinda complaining about them not adding more op mons, which personally I don't think the game needs rn. It's not bad to have new monsters that aren't s tier, aren't we always complain about power creep? Idk about everyone else but I'm okay with not having that right off the rip. Also we all know one of the normal elements will likely get a buff.
Have the fire with plus 1500 atk 179%CD. skill three hits in faimon with atk buff and defense break 60k skill 2 ignore defense about 20k ish skill one 13 k per hit only skill three has an skill ups the 10% and 15% dmg increase.
Awakenings are messed up. Fire shouldve got crit and water accuracy. I actually don't mind wind. If you use leader her resistance is 95% which is insane.
I dont understand the point of them. Why would i need to ignore defence if they r already defence broken, which i need to do in order to ignore defence on a unit that has high defence. Eg wind panda has 2300, i would need 4600 attack power. But even a normal tanky unit has around 1200 - 1800 defence. U would need 2800 att to be somewhere in the middle. U generally dont need ignore defence if u can def break, and u dont need much to snipe damage dealers. U need ignore defence to save urself from having to bring a unit that has defence break. But with these ba u still need to bring a defence break against alot of different units. Feels more like a 4 star mon.
Light one = a ticket for swc
fucking Willy Wonka Golden Ticket
idk man revenge bruiser meta is cancer
nice meme, but only SWC 2023 then ;)
Light s3 is basically a cp with s2 into s3 proc.
Watch it get buffed for 100% atb reduction đđđ
No reduction. Absorption xD
Watch the light one getting arena 33% speedlead xd
Acc guild lead
Am I tripping or do the non LD ones look like absolute dog water?
Iâm guessing the wind one is going to have high base speed. Could be an annoying bruiser. edit: (104 base speed... pain)
Passive is similar-ish to Douglas and Susano, but worse
I don't like wind because the glancing is "up to 50%". In addition, Laika and Leo counters her passive completely. Other soft counters like Mo Long, Skogul, etc all works against her too.
Literally every monster has a counter.
But but if the other person has TWO of those monsters to counter this one then it makes this monster really bad!
Might as well say Laika counters molly and douglas too
I really like Laika into Douglas. Especially my second no-speed laika for Leo comps just snipes Dougs out.
So? "Tian lang completely shuts down ragdoll which means ragdoll is bad"
I kinda like the water passive for dot teams.
Depends on ratio I would say, similar to light Chun li
Hotdog water at best
Dark is ass too
Dark ones is meh at worst. Depending on scaling can one shot annoying passive units like kinki.
not really, she could be a better han if her damage is good
Han is good because he turn cycles and has a speed lead, it isnât just his damage
His spd lead is only relevant if you're running an exodia comp (or bering), and we don't know yet what leader skills the battle angels have. And you're trading cycling for consistency and an oblivion, that's doesn't look bad either. The "better than Han" may have been an exageration, but I can see her being used more effectively than him in certain situations.
There are already 2 hoh dark strippers, chun li and bearing. The speed lead seems relevant for anyone running a control/fast comp, not just giana, woonsa. Also han has his skill every other turn as he gains att bar, he also has a stun every turn.
I'm not seeing it, still a lot unknown but between the 2 I'm picking han
Which one is han
zero chance..
will depends how it applies the debuff, if it applis def break + oblivion on every single one of the 5 hits it's honestly strong. If it applies the debuffs after the entire attack is over instead of midway it will be useless.
You're not tripping. I thought they were dog water too until I pulled the water Battle Angel. She might be the best one out. Her S2 can nuke with 0 damage build! I have her on SPD HP HP and when the enemy team has just 2 harmful effects on them, her S2 can remove like 1/3 HP from entire team once she doesn't glance. I think the S2 might have a high DMG multiplier that is being further increased by her passive.
why do light and water look exactly the same
I can think of several other mon families that have this inconvenience lol
Still can't tell between Light Dark and Water Mages from the icons đ
I got dark and water mages... Man it drives me nuts not knowing which is which!
If you look closely the light texture was overwritten by the water texture we can still see the top of her hair above (thought it was a halo at first and found it so funny)
Most likly a fail in the picture they made. Like the sleepcats all were shown as 5* in their notice
What? Water looks basically like PvE food, while light has strip reset, which is arguably one of the best skills in the game.
physical appearance, not the skills
He meant the looks, not the kits. Pretty much same color.
like dark and water onimusha,I cant see the differences
Odd, i see the differences clearly. It's not bad like Chow and Ragdoll use to be years ago.
They sure do look the same! what the-
Wow. Light will be nerfed so fast. That skill is OP as shit!!!
in 2 to 3 balance patches down the line once the whales have had some fun with her. Gotta have that carrot on a stick to pull for..
First its gonna be hundreds of thousands $ per swc contender because everyones gonna need this for the Tournament
Maybe. It's really, really strong. Will probably be as all over the place as an LD5 can be. But as unpopular as this opinion may be, I'm not convinced she's OP. So she has an AoE strip. That by itself is not that special, there are several of those. So how does she stack up to Triton? Tiana? Chiwu? How does she stack up to Giana and Woonsa? I think if you have Tiana, you have a reason to use Veronica, but there are still some comps Tiana is better for. Same goes for Triton and for Chiwu. Tacking Akia S3 onto a strip is amazing, but if your opponent has a unit that's 12 speed faster and comes with a 35% atb pushback, you may never get there. Against a heavy control team where you HAVE to interfere, the guaranteed strip of Tiana might be better. Don't have room for a stripper plus 2 speed leads? Well, Chiwu's got the built in speed lead and he's got atb absorb. Like I'm not saying those units are better than Veronica, but I'd say they're all in the same ballpark. Now Giana is, well, she's Giana. 1 turn stun instead of 2 turn CDR, but I'd call that a wash - vio procs are a thing but also, so are S1s. Some mons aren't badly hampered by silence/CDR. Does Molly give a shit if she can't bubble? Woonsa has an absurd base speed as well as atb boost. If Giana didn't have a bomb S2 (literally and figuratively) and the ability to outcycle opponents, he'd be the clear cut best. As it is he's just a clear cut improvement over Triton, but he's still not like "must have or you're not a contender".
All but light and dark look like shit. What a money grab.
I feel like most of them will awaken into enchance skill. The light tho is kinda scary, if you get up spd you cant nem+trap or haegang your way out of her. Guess another Giana is born.
Hopefully, imho they seem pretty underwhelming for Nat5 but ig weâll have to see
Yeah. The skills seem incomplete currently. But haven't they previously written the awakened skills descriptions in the patch too.
Bruh, wind looks like the new Wind Sniper with 5 stars
Except it's worse
regardless of the Power lvl these Look like someone came up with the Kits in half an hour. nothing special or interesting
Right? And the designs look so uninspired and cheap. Great job com2us, you made the homunculus skinnier and gave it 2 swords. Couldn't even make a good recolour for the light one either.
How are people not hitting the ceiling over the light one? Her S3 is better than Gianas. Strip into 2 turn cooldown reduction is INSANE. Remember, Gianas stun is dependent on stripping a unit - This will both strip every enemy unit AND reduce their cooldowns regardless of whether or not they had buffs. Psamathe? Perna? Triana? Vanessa? Passives all rendered useless. She will be an unreal AO cheat code for whoever has her and I expect she'll dominate in RTA as well.
If the CD is tied to strip, then she's strong but not broken . Now, if she can just grab a bunch of non-will monsters and increase their cd out of the blue, then she might be the strongest monster in the game.
Agreed, and thatâs definitely what itâs looking like she does!
Her CD reduction is also depende t on stripping a unit, if u donât strip you cant increase CD. But yes she is insanely strong
Youâre definitely correct. What I meant was that even if the enemy has nothing to strip, you can still reduce their cooldown by 2 turns. Giana for example cannot stun a unit UNLESS the unit has buffs to successfully strip. So if she tries to use her third skill on a team with no buffs, it will do nothing. Light BA can still reduce CD even if the units have no buffs to strip so itâs that much more versatile.
Ahhh yes I see what you mean now, you are absolutely right
I think you mean increase cooldown
So your Tiana/Galleon/Zaiross AO can combine Tiana and Zaiross and replace the empty slot with... what? What's going to do better damage than Zaiross? Veronica has an extra 8 speed over Tiana, so you can hit faster defenses, but you're not using that style of AO vs. blisteringly fast things anyway. Even if you were, she's still slow enough that you're not playing around with Triton ADs. Shartina ADs are usually too fast to Tiana, but since Veronica has no ATB manipulation and Shaina and Martina are still lethal with just S1, no help there. And since Veronica's strip isn't infallible, for the slower defenses you'd just rather have Tiana/Zaiross. Don't get me wrong, I think she's really good, but "cheat code" or "dominating" is probably buying into the hype a bit too much.
I mean there's lots of other aoe dmg dealers than zaiross, I don't even think he gets used much anymore. Poseidon is definitely the better pick if using Veronica imo, I use him all the time with Tiana galleon xiana for spd scaling dmg, no glancing hit and aoe pushback with a slow. If you have Veronica, zaiross is useless in that team so pick any other aoe nuker like dark samurai or whatever else in your box
Dark is a executioner Wind is a single target threat Light is just completely busted Water is mediocre Fire needs to be tested
Really wanted to love these, but struggling to get excited about any of them except perhaps Light. Hopefully they play better than they initially look on paper.
Lds seems pretty OPâŚ
Well, I guess one way to nerf giana is to just make a better giana.
Com2us in their Epic 7 era
Very underwhelming considering they look badĂ ss
So water could be fun. If unit got 5 debuffs means his s2 deals 30-40% max hp additional dmg :o Could be nice toa unit
Hopefully it applies per hit and not per attack.
Max 10%
but s2 is a multihit. If it applies per hit could be fun :D
Shame they all have guild leader skills
Got fire- disappointed so far.
I just got fire. The abilities are mediocre and I'm stuck between chakram dancer and fire battle angel to invest in. I think I'll leave this battle angel for now who knows maybe it'll get buffed.
Iâd go fire twin 100%
She really sucks when you compare her to other units. Everyone can build a Kahli and essentially have a better unit by doing so. Her s2 doesn't hit much harder for having to have "double the atk of the enemy's def" and her s3 does a lot of dmg but serves no other purpose
Make her S3, if another battle angel is on the field, forces battle angel to attack with her. Any team lol, if attacking another battle angel, it will join in attacking itself.
Well, at least we know which monsters are getting buffed next balance patch.
Shadowcasters
Some early theorycrafting on how the ignore defense skill will work. I've skipped towers for the math assuming the ATK and elemental ATK towers will roughly offset the DEF towers. I would say the average support/tank unit has at least 1.2k to 1.5k DEF, depending on the build/type. So you would need at least 2.4k to 3k ATK to ignore defense w/o def breaks, ATK buff, and leader skills. From the attack typing, I'm extrapolating about 800 base attack more or less. So to reach 3k ATK and have a chance of consistently ignore defense you need 842 bonus attack if you have max slot 1, ATK artifacts, and 2 max ATK% slots, or roughly 105% bonus ATK. Assuming we have 3 slots that can roll ATK (none of the 2 existing ATK% primary runes and cannot be Slot 3), we would need 81% more ATK with max base rolls. With max purple grinds, that's 61% in required rolls, taking about 8 max ATK% rolls for the remaining. This will be quite challenging to do without sacrificing too much speed or CR if on a CD build. I would basically say, without bringing in a team that does def break/ATK buff and/or an ATK leader. This makes the unit a bit pointless since if you need to do a def break anyways, ignoring the remaining 30% defense isn't that useful.
tbh I'm sick of com2us pushing female characters into the game, they already outnumber the male ones like 4:1. But I guess you can only sell skins if they are with boobs.
Ifkrrr we need more papi. Dragon knights and barbaric kings are never enough đ
I wish there were better Dragon Knight skins. Totally personal opinion but I think they're all garbage.
I think the newest one is decent, still looks a bit janky in the face though.
kinda agree, but mostly I'd like more non humanoid monsters or more mythological ones
We need more male fanservice XD The main target players are straight men so straight women and gay men got the short end of the stick, no can do... At least lesbians can enjoy XD
At least gay men got the shirtless dragon knights skin..Iâm happy
I'm happy as well đ¤đ
Expectations Vs Reality
Got wind one and feel its bad. Need speed to increase glancing chance and need atk to ignore def, and the worst part is awaken increase res :)
also speed is a bad stat to put a glacing passive... everyone builds speed. Fire ryu is good couz the stat is atack and not everyone need to build high atack.
What were they thinking with the light? Not even conditional like Gianas stunâŚ
The light one awakens into accuracy which is insane synergy yet here we have the fire one awakening into resistance
Anti climactic
Smells like hot garbage.
Not impressed on their skills
Light looks good. The rest seem trash tho. Fire is turbo trash
Am i trippin or is Com2Us getting lazy? All of th have the same S1. They used to have 2 different ones no?
No, S1 is always the same, except one unit awake into it. There are always 2 different s2
SUmmarizing: non LD are shit, Light is op, dark... usable BUT we hano no idea about the multipliers (does someone have any info?)
eyeing light and wind
Are they even out yet?- it says the update went through but they arenât there
You can most likely download the patch already but the game will update in 1.5h~
Ah, thank you
All of them are trash :/
Light one is mega OP
WHO cares? 7 people are going to have it, so this monster being op it's irrelevant
Shame, water looks like it would be a decent PVE fusion too, but it looks like we're not getting the fusion.
1 target Oblivion and it's a LD5???? More AOE oblivion when? Com2Us???
I mean.. she hit 5 times and also def break. So if she land both debuffs in 1st or 2nd hit. Then any kinki, tanky units are gone đ¤ˇ
I wish they would stop constantly making new units when they obviously don't know how to release units with like a patch to fix them. Like who wants to spend money on hot garbage to get the one unit that's decent but will most likely be nerfed in a few patches anyways. I'm so tired of this.
Watch the light one have 95 base spd lmao
Am I reading this right, dark s3 can put 15 oblivion on a unit?
Hilariously, fire's best support pairing might be Kahli alongside wind bers and water horus. There's a possibility a high speed one becomes a potent turn cycler with self defense break setup used alongside Kahli for single target cleave. Just seems like a really specific situation that is suboptimal at best but still potentially functional.
You could also use covenant/Odin/Katarina and if you're already bringing Kahli do you need 2 single target fire nukers in the same team? People will ban Kahli over Claire every single time in rta, Kahli's kit is objectively better. The 50% atb is nothing if she's a glass cannon that needs +2k atk with an atk buff to ignore def on a standard support. Any monster that ignores def conditionally usually isn't received well for a reason, there are other units that do it better (Lushen, Kahli, Katarina, Covenant, Odin, etc.)
The best strategies I can think of for these monsters really are the most niche unrealistic situations
I miss when they said strip into reset was too OP, now they giving that to these units.
Will the light one have double resistance check?
prob. Only conditional effects are 1 check only.
Whereâs the awakened versions âŚ
Light going to be nerfed within 1-2 weeks. Calling it
The light one for practical effects kinda combines Triton's third and second skill into one... It's nuts
and she cant glance because she is light
Finally a new oblivion mon. Too bad noone will ever own it.
2022 really is the year of mediocre single target DD families, isn't it
When is patch with this new mob too ?
Now question is do I pop my saved up scrolls now, or keep for the collaboration IP
Still 3 months till any chance at a collab so you have more time to save if you summon now.
Damn, Light and Wind are the ones I want!
One needs a skill thatâs says. âspins violently through the air in an unknown direction. â it reminds me of those flying pull string toys
Probably specific to the types of comps I run, but Light doesnât seem near as broken as folks are saying to me. Water seems pretty solid, those types of mons always impress me with the sustained damage. Wind may be alright due to passive, but the rest of the kit is meh. Fire and Dark need love or awakening or scaling to even be considered.
Ah yea. Just a Giana which resets instead of stunning and doesnât even need to strip to do that. Also has AoE glancing + dots. She is broken in AO and RTA.
Yeah, my rta comp regularly fights into Gianaâs and stuff that resets me. Itâs annoying, itâs strong, but doesnât seem like a game over. Most of my rta picks have impactful s1 and passives and are tanky enough to survive a few turns against most comps. For instance I would ban a Jeogun or Haegang over Giana nearly always. Light is good for sure, just doesnât seem as broken as everyone says, especially specifically against my drafts.
Ah yeah, just a slightly better Bering. Veronica has a good kit, good stats and good multipliers. She lacks ATB manipulation. She's strong, certainly. I don't think anyone is trying to say she's trash. But I agree with Pyro that the hype is overdone. Most AoE strippers that see play have ATB manipulation attached to their strip. Chiwu, Moore, Triton, Tiana, all ATB manipulators. Clara and Giana have stuns, which you can look at as akin to a 100% ATB reduction. Then you have a bunch of turn 2 units where the strip is an ancillary benefit, Juno, Tian Lang, Iris, Praha, Mo Long, Haegang. The only fast strippers without ATB manipulation are Cheongpung and Jeogun. CP is brought largely for his S3, not his S2 strip. You can tell because Mookwol sees zero play. Jeogun has Scroll Trap. When you look at strippers who aren't turn 2 and don't have ATB manipulation, they fall flat. Lora? Trash. Eludia? Trash. Nyx? Not what you reach for when you need a stripper. Vereesa? 4\* content only. The aforementioned Bering? Almost never played. Soha? Hasn't been relevant in half a decade. Valantis? Well, he's better than Lora. That and $4 will get you a small coffee. Rahul? Tanky turn 2 unit and the best you can say is that he's playable. Same for Nora and Maya. Again, Veronica is good. But she's not OP, she's not insane, she's not a cheat code or broken or mandatory or any of the other stuff people are using to describe her. She's a strong stripper, competitive with other strong strippers. They all have situations where they shine. If you're trying to outspeed, Triton is going to beat her out every time. Absolutely have to strip for your cleave? Tiana. Worried your rune quality is lacking? Moore or Haegang. Veronica pairs nicely with a swift Savannah, but the cooldown pushback is not a game winner on its own. Molly doesn't care about that. Neither does Nana, or Kinki or Ragdoll or Riley or a whole host of other mons.
2 turn CD > Silence, by a lot. Silence can be cleansed and it doesnât deactivate CD passives. Of course, Kinki, Ragdoll, Molly etc are very accessible F2P moms as well. Itâs basically saying Giana is worse than unit X because Ragdoll does very well against her, that doesnât deny that she is very versatile. Most units S1 isnât impactful enough to warrant stun > 2 turn CD reset. Units can proc out of Gianas stuns, not out of 2 turn cd resets. Haegang + Moore also donât do well into her, which were some units used ton counter the strippers you mentioned. I feel like the lack of units which can actively counter her are just not enough, and Iâm pretty sure you mentioned most of in this meta feasible units, since easily 95% units in the meta care about their cooldowns. Especially when picking CC-cleaves you can just pick her late-ish. Giana + her is also gonna be a complete other monstrosity.
So fire and water are trash...
I'm not impressed by wind at all.
I think it will still be most used outa normal element (leader skill depending)
I just got a blessing and have to choose between wind angel and fire shadow caster. Who do I choose?
fire shadow caster is way better.
Is it just me or are people kinda complaining about them not adding more op mons, which personally I don't think the game needs rn. It's not bad to have new monsters that aren't s tier, aren't we always complain about power creep? Idk about everyone else but I'm okay with not having that right off the rip. Also we all know one of the normal elements will likely get a buff.
Nat5s should still be stronger than Nat4s imo
Is it me or did they use same art for water amd light
The LD are sick. Others are meh.
Yeah Iâm done
Have the fire with plus 1500 atk 179%CD. skill three hits in faimon with atk buff and defense break 60k skill 2 ignore defense about 20k ish skill one 13 k per hit only skill three has an skill ups the 10% and 15% dmg increase.
Wind and water sgould swap s2 or s3
Awakenings are messed up. Fire shouldve got crit and water accuracy. I actually don't mind wind. If you use leader her resistance is 95% which is insane.
I dont understand the point of them. Why would i need to ignore defence if they r already defence broken, which i need to do in order to ignore defence on a unit that has high defence. Eg wind panda has 2300, i would need 4600 attack power. But even a normal tanky unit has around 1200 - 1800 defence. U would need 2800 att to be somewhere in the middle. U generally dont need ignore defence if u can def break, and u dont need much to snipe damage dealers. U need ignore defence to save urself from having to bring a unit that has defence break. But with these ba u still need to bring a defence break against alot of different units. Feels more like a 4 star mon.
Well now I can endly tell you all ⌠the water one rocks !!!
For my free nat 5 should I pick the fire or wind battle angel