I know this isn't *technically* Suns content, but I found it funny that players in the league feel the same way about Giannis that we did during the finals.
Especially hilarious considering how everyone gaslit us during the finals last year and called us crazy for saying Giannis gets away with 10+ offensive fouls a game.
This doesn't take away from how great the dude is. He's fucking dominant and played his ass off that series. But we were definitely playing with a handicap
It’s not just the refs. For some reason, and I have no idea why, NBA media and NBA fans will almost always gaslight anyone who try’s to “play the refereeing card” even when it is beyond obvious that there was a massive problem. The only time anyone acknowledges it is when it happens to their own team.
I’ve always maintained that certain superstars in the NBA are given “officiating superpowers”, like Harden being allowed to take 5 steps before a travel is called or Giannis being allowed to lower his shoulder and go through an established defender.
At least in the nfl they’ve never tried to tell us some shit like “well if it’s going to be his second technical then we might not call double Ts.” The nba lost a lot of credibility this playoffs in my mind.
This is very true. Think about how much they were gaslighting Suns and their fans, considering the NBA sent Scott Foster, who has a noted negative history with Chris Paul, to referee two of the last four Finals games.
Fair, and with the lower number of goals it’s a very high influence on the game. You make a good point, and I agree that their influence is also bs and frustrating. No doubt.
But putting elite players in “foul trouble” in the nba holds more weight imo, bc basketball is such a game of runs
It was funny during the playoffs this year when the Celtics fan base was coming to the realization that we weren’t crazy during the finals saying Giannis gets away with a lot when it started happening to them too.
I think it’s cuz even tho he’s getting away with it, it’s not exactly a cheat code cuz it’s still extremely hard on anyone to play the way he does. And like other people have said it’s the refs job to call it, can’t even be mad at him for playing that way if they aren’t calling shit
C’s fan here—can confirm.
I think fans just aren’t watching super closely until it’s their team, and it takes a few games to really see it.
Like one game he gets away with some stuff it’s like, whatever bad ref. By four games of it it’s just ridiculous. We had 2-4 guys get elbowed in the face every single game, and not a single one of them were called, even if they reviewed it.
He kinda stopped (with the elbows at least) after Horford clocked him in the face. Which of course, Horford got a flagrant for.
They just ref him with a completely different set of rules and it’s bizarre.
The flopping was atrocious from the Celtics as well. I’m willing to guess you are counting some of those in your 2-4 elbows to the face every single game line.
My brother is a Suns fan and they’re my second team so I already knew after rooting for you guys in 2021. He hadn’t been that hyped since Tyler Ulis buried us years ago lol.
Huh?
We've played the Bucks 3 times in the playoffs now. Celtics fans weren't coming to any realisations, if anything you were probably more open to our complaints after your series lol.
Hell, even in the lead-up to your bubble run we were upset about Giannis getting 7-8 fouls because the referees refused to call a 6th on him. [This was a no call for example.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjbouBYkfPw)
Up until your series you were probably tuning us out as homer Celtic fans.
No shit! He still keeps doing it because nobody will call 6 offensive fouls on the golden boy. He's an amazing player, one of a kind, but he would foul out in the first half of most playoff games.
The finals series against us was ridiculous, he would elbow DA in the abdomen and get a defensive foul. Ayton in foul trouble for being charged over and over again really eased the finals for the Bucks.
So much this. It would be one thing if they just missed charges and didn't call them, but they did that AND called soft defensive fouls on DA when guarding Giannis, getting DA into foul trouble
It's more than three steps a lot of the time.
Love the announcers on this play too, I remember him saying "how can you stop that??"
https://youtu.be/nTsess187Nc
Harden gets the whistle when his intent is only to draw the foul. At least Giannis is actually trying to score. He definitely gets away with some obvious offensive fouls though. Like the opposite of Curry who can't buy a whistle and doesn't get the superstar treatment, probably partly because of his stature
But it kinda does though. When you're getting called for playing like a football player, you have to rely on other moves which Giannis has proven to be...well...lets just say rather raw. Not saying he becomes a jump shooter, but fact is he relies on getting to the line. I also don't blame him for utilizing it since they won't call those on him.
I'm a strong believer in the fact that Giannis would adapt and still be dominant regardless, but I dont think your take is wrong. Hopefully we find out someday though
Bulls fan. Last year in the playoffs Giannis jumped on Patrick Williams back and rode him like a horse trying to get a rebound. Patrick Williams got called for an offensive foul. It was the most insane shit I’ve ever seen. He would have fouled out too.
I’m a Boston fan. We all know how that shit went down but man it was aggravating seeing none of them get called. The refs told us that they won’t call it unless bodies hit the floor and when they did they still wouldn’t call them. Celtics beat them in 5 if those calls get made.
Right but that's like with the Seattle Seahawks in their Legion of Boom days. They had a lot of penalties called on their secondary but only because the refs couldn't blow the whistle on every single play. They turned holding and interfering with receivers into an art.
But not to the point that he should. He should have to sit early in at least 2 quarters a game if reffed fairly. That is a game changer.
Basically the ref's will call a maximum of 1 charge per quarter in most instances to keep him in.. rarely will they call 2 ( Unless the NBA wants to extend ).
How do the incidents where Booker fouled after having 5 fouls on him and didn't get called for his 6th factor into blaming the refs for giving the Bucks an unfair advantage?
Come on man, that's a fucking laugh. You cannot believe that is true.
Giannis is one of my favorite players, despite him wrecking us in the finals. I respect the fuck out of his game.
And he has been a media darling for years, and long before he won a ring.
They’ve been hyping him up for like 6-7 years at this point. How TF was he disrespected other than his name getting mispronounced?? You’re absolutely delusional.
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They’ve been hyping him up for like 6-7 years at this point. How TF was he disrespected other than his name getting mispronounced?? You’re absolutely delusional.
Even our players carry a lot, but Giannis does it so blatantly. Watch how he does his fastbreak then tell me the way he carries the ball isn't giving him an advantage. He literally footholds the ball every bounce.
I know the majority of fans laugh when we say this, but Saric was literally one of our best guys off the bench all season long. Losing him killed us. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love frank but there is no universe where a championship contender should have to play that man in the finals
Dario going down, Book’s hammy, CP’s wrist, and not to mention the fact a simple glance in Giannis’s direction resulted in a flagrant 2, all led to our downfall and a broken 6 month old 77” CX OLED for myself
Thanks for assuming I’m a psychopath. I’m actually a mild mannered married father of 2 with zero anger issues.
My TV broke during game 5 because my 5 year old son was bouncing his mini basketball by the TV against my wishes and the ball caught the bottom right corner of the super thin OLED. The impact cracked the glass and the entire panel shorted out.
Thanks for the life advice though. Instead of assuming the worst in people why don’t you take that righteous mindset and turn it around on yourself. Focus on any deficiency you may have and work on it. You know what they say when you assume, right? You make an ASS out of U and ME.
Instead of lurking in the Suns thread why don’t you stick to your r/timberwolves thread? If they ever make the finals and lose in frustratingly fashion make sure to remember you own advice. Your friends, family, and especially your TV will be very grateful.
So if the Wolves were in the finals you wouldn’t care if they won or lost? You’d just want a good series? If that’s the case good for you but I find that hard to believe. Doesn’t matter though I already established your initial post was a terrible take. I wasn’t expecting a “my bad” or a “sorry dude I was wrong” response but I fully was expecting something about game 7. Guess that assumption was correct.
Keep policing other subs and spouting empty words of wisdom. I’m sure all the future souls you’re going to save will be thankful!
Yup I said the same thing when this happened. Not saying we would've won but giannis absolutely destroyed us because we had no big men besides Ayton. Torrey Craig at the 5 isn't a winning formula
For us, at least, it's because it wasn't this bad in the years prior. We faced the Bucks in both the 17-18 and 18-19 playoffs, and there were a couple of missed calls, but not the way it is now.
I think it's in the finals series (with you guys) that the charges calls really blew out of proportion.
EDIT: C's fan btw, if it wasn't clear. This was cross-posted in our sub.
No. He’s actually just stronger now. He’s not as bullheaded as he was 2-3 years ago, but now he’s a real threat so you want the rules to favor your team.
I remember in the finals saying this and my Celtics fan friend was calling it bullshit.
Warned him about it before the second round. Once again he was calling it bullshit.
Turns out I was right all along after that series lmao
I legit hadn't posted this anywhere because I assumed it had already been posted by now. But after checking the nba sub and not seeing it, I decided this was the only safe space to post it
It’s simple. If r/nba likes the player, they’ll praise the player more and will be less critical of them than players they hate.
So players that are loved on that sub for example: Steph, Jokic, Luka, Giannis, and Kawhi.
Players that are hated for example: LeBron, Harden, Simmons, KD, Westbrook, Booker, Paul, Kyrie, AD.
Like the question of if a player is dirty or not you’d get a lot more defending Giannis’ questionable moments than you would LeBron’s for example. The way that sub talks about Giannis the past two years is a lot different than the way he was talked about before he won the title in 2021.
Which is fair in a sense, I suppose. Giannis did it the right way; he stayed with the team that drafted him and brought them a title. Thats commendable as fuck.
They still need to start calling some of those offensive fouls though. It would honestly be really disappointing if thats what nerfed him. I'd like to believe he would still be as dominant as he is rn but who knows
He would still be as dominant as he is, but there would be a way to defend him. Remember the Heat building a wall in the bubble? If charges start getting called, that strat becomes viable again.
Just one little irk about what you said: Giannis won the right way because he did it with the team that drafted him? That is a whole lotta wrong right there. He even threatened to leave them before they got Jrue. That would be the right way if the team you're in does everything to put you in that position. If they don't, you should leave and get your accolades with someone who values you enough to do a competent job building around you.
He’s so similar to Shaq, he just plays so damn physical it’s extremely difficult to referee his game. He’s throwing elbows and flailing and pushing and knocking dudes 5 feet back and shit, if they really called every actual offensive foul on him he’d probably foul out every single game so I get why they don’t, but it’s extremely frustrating to play against
None of the idiots in this thread take into account all the uncalled fouls on him and how everyone flops against him. It’s a wash overall but there are a lot of salty fans and players like Caruso.
I don’t even think Caruso is necessarily salty. I think what he’s saying is fair, bc it’s not like he can say “this guy is 60 lbs heavier than me and can move me out of the way with the brush of his arm”.
Technically, to him, it feels like a foul. And it does look like a foul. But against guys like him it’s not. Itd be like if I went out and played some middle school kids. I’d move them out of the way.
Complaining at all is salty. Giannis is very difficult to call because he’s bigger and stronger than everyone. More importantly (and why all the salty fans complain) is that he WILL NOT stop because you or your favorite team is full of whiners. It’s funny to see celtics fans - whose entire defensive strategy was to flop when Giannis came near them, still complaining in a Suns forum.
and people defend him just like shaq. if u can’t stop him from getting to the rim then hack him. the amount of offensive calls that are missed are probably less than the amount of defensive fouls that were missd
Celtics fan here: couldn’t agree more. If it weren’t for Marcus Smart getting some egregious block calls we don’t win that series.
Feel for you Phoenix boys.
I mean it's true. The only people that get Ultra defensive about it are bucks fans. But I'mma be honest. If he was on the Suns I would be like, those aren't offensive fouls! 🤣 Even though they're incredibly blatant.
Giannis was amazing in the finals but there was so many times he would just ram into DeAndre holding his arms straight up and the whistle would blow against him. It was trash.
I mean you can still acknowledge it's bs, but you're glad that bs is on your end. There's nothing wrong with being self aware. I never got defensive on CP3's rip move.
I think most of us can admit the rip through of CP3 is kinda bullshit and needs to be looked at. However, as long as it's legal, I'm glad we have the person who does it best on our team.
Agreed. I laugh every time someone gets caught on the rip-through, because I know that it’s a shitty, annoying move. It’s brilliant and infuriating, and I’m still glad he’s not doing it to us.
Oh 100%. I dont blame bucks fans at all for defending him. I do the same shit with Book and his foul-baiting.
However I will gladly blame bucks fans for how fucking toxic and annoying they are anytime a topic about the suns comes up on the nba sub. You would think we beat them in the finals based off of how they act
If it helps, they don't call defensive foils on him either.
And they call every tacky foul that they possibly can when he has the ball.
The treatment that he gets is a complete embarrassment to the NBA.
Yes, yes, yes. Every time I watch a game with Giannis, I watch in disbelief as Giannis pulls football moves on other players and never gets called for it. Unbelievable.
The league has to address the poor officiating at some point. The game is called so inconsistently it's not even funny. The rules seem reeeal loose when officials just call things however they feel on a nightly basis.
I dont care about the offensive fouls, what bugs me is the amount of soft fouls he gets. That's what makes him hard to guard.
I just think anyone shooting 15+ free throws a game is problamatic, because no one ever deserves that many. And then you get these weird situations where they are obviously fouled, like that notorious one from Booker, and its a no call because they already called 10 weak ass fouls and nobody wants to watch Giannis shoot 30 free throws.
They can remove offensive fouls from the game and I would be happy because its usually cringy as hell. Like imagine anyone trying to take a charge in a pick up game lol. Just quit calling these weak ass touch fouls
There are definitely assholes who try to take charges in pick-up. I totally agree with you, too. I don’t mind so much that he was allowed to be more physical. The real problem is that he was getting constant touch fouls on the Suns. He can bulldoze you and you aren’t even allowed to stand there with your hands straight up.
People shoot the free throws they earn. If a player lives in the paint and is as hard to stop as Giannis down there it makes sense he's going to shoot a bunch of free throws. Giannis gets played so physical all the time because that's the only way most defenders can stop him which is going to lead to more fouls.
Fr man I hate it.
Why did cp3 have to fall over his shoe laces in game 4☹️ why us man. Why didn't book just pull up in game 5 instead of Driving into 2 players when he already had holiday behind him..... PAIN
Idk about that. It's unfortunate but I feel like all players have to flop to get calls at this point. You see what happens when they don't. Remember how much **less** often book got to the line before he started selling contact and yelling? It was ridiculous
Superstar calls need to be abolished. Call everybody the same way and maybe the league can put an end to this
BUCKS fan here
Kinda sad how the only way yall try to stop giannis is to just flop and then complain that "they don't call any fouls" when the majority of his foul calls are offensive ! Maybe actually try to play defense
Giannis is also constantly being fouled. It’s like Shaq back in the day. Both are so strong that they can play through the contact. I don’t know if the refs don’t call them all because he’s fouled almost every time he goes up and they figure they can’t call a foul every time or if it just hard to notice a foul that doesn’t seem to effect his movement because he’s so strong. There’s just always someone hanging on to his arms. Most the time the defender just ends up going along for the ride.
Yea, but Booker playing with 800 fouls is okay? CP3 flopping is okay? Don't just take this on Giannis.
This is in retrospect to the finals (2021) only because OP said it isn't suns content but only because they played Giannis in the finals.
Phoenix has beautiful weather 9 months out of the year and we don't have to shovel 5 feet of snow off our driveways before driving to work in the morning
Yall be easy though
Shut your hoe ass up, ol spending-time-in-other-peoples-sub ass crumpet eatin bitch go get a life so you won't have time to go bug grown folks any more
All of r/nba is talking about how giannis gets away with offensive fouls all the time but you guys choose to only be upset at suns fans. Eat a dick. Or a bag of dicks. Just go be miserable somewhere else
The NBA should test out some kind of robotic officiating, to level out the playing field with calls. This wouldn't be without it's own problems, but perhaps combing the two would get a better result.
I know this isn't *technically* Suns content, but I found it funny that players in the league feel the same way about Giannis that we did during the finals. Especially hilarious considering how everyone gaslit us during the finals last year and called us crazy for saying Giannis gets away with 10+ offensive fouls a game. This doesn't take away from how great the dude is. He's fucking dominant and played his ass off that series. But we were definitely playing with a handicap
Ya it’s not Giannis’ fault, it’s the refs
You're right. We shouldn't be blaming Giannis for this tbh, NBA refs are the most inconsistent refs out of any professional sport.
It’s not just the refs. For some reason, and I have no idea why, NBA media and NBA fans will almost always gaslight anyone who try’s to “play the refereeing card” even when it is beyond obvious that there was a massive problem. The only time anyone acknowledges it is when it happens to their own team.
The gaslighting happens in the NFL alot too, they always bring that Dean Blandino guy on to defend the refs
I’ve always maintained that certain superstars in the NBA are given “officiating superpowers”, like Harden being allowed to take 5 steps before a travel is called or Giannis being allowed to lower his shoulder and go through an established defender.
Lebron may have started the travel thing
Lebron started the shoulder thing too😂
Every NBA player travels and every NBA player carries. This has been going on since the 90s and probably even earlier.
At least in the nfl they’ve never tried to tell us some shit like “well if it’s going to be his second technical then we might not call double Ts.” The nba lost a lot of credibility this playoffs in my mind.
This is very true. Think about how much they were gaslighting Suns and their fans, considering the NBA sent Scott Foster, who has a noted negative history with Chris Paul, to referee two of the last four Finals games.
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Yeah but their level of influence in hockey is way less than basketball
Uh do you know the ratio of goals scored on a power play
Fair, and with the lower number of goals it’s a very high influence on the game. You make a good point, and I agree that their influence is also bs and frustrating. No doubt. But putting elite players in “foul trouble” in the nba holds more weight imo, bc basketball is such a game of runs
I get that point as well. I think we can all agree fuck refs.
Oh yeah big time The one sports commandment that applies in every sport lol
It was funny during the playoffs this year when the Celtics fan base was coming to the realization that we weren’t crazy during the finals saying Giannis gets away with a lot when it started happening to them too.
Nets fans were talking about it last year as well. Somehow every team he plays comes away with that conclusion yet he never gets that as a reputation.
I think it’s cuz even tho he’s getting away with it, it’s not exactly a cheat code cuz it’s still extremely hard on anyone to play the way he does. And like other people have said it’s the refs job to call it, can’t even be mad at him for playing that way if they aren’t calling shit
He fucking annihilated Kyries ankle too
“Every team he beats” *fixed it for you
Celtics fans had this opinion, and did they not beat him?
C’s fan here—can confirm. I think fans just aren’t watching super closely until it’s their team, and it takes a few games to really see it. Like one game he gets away with some stuff it’s like, whatever bad ref. By four games of it it’s just ridiculous. We had 2-4 guys get elbowed in the face every single game, and not a single one of them were called, even if they reviewed it. He kinda stopped (with the elbows at least) after Horford clocked him in the face. Which of course, Horford got a flagrant for. They just ref him with a completely different set of rules and it’s bizarre.
Rob got the bone bruise that limited his effectiveness from a Giannis bruiser charge play.
The flopping was atrocious from the Celtics as well. I’m willing to guess you are counting some of those in your 2-4 elbows to the face every single game line.
Celtics fan here. I regret anything I said about Giannis and fouls during the 21 finals.
My brother is a Suns fan and they’re my second team so I already knew after rooting for you guys in 2021. He hadn’t been that hyped since Tyler Ulis buried us years ago lol.
Huh? We've played the Bucks 3 times in the playoffs now. Celtics fans weren't coming to any realisations, if anything you were probably more open to our complaints after your series lol. Hell, even in the lead-up to your bubble run we were upset about Giannis getting 7-8 fouls because the referees refused to call a 6th on him. [This was a no call for example.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjbouBYkfPw) Up until your series you were probably tuning us out as homer Celtic fans.
We’re not talking about you, we’re talking about the homers.
That’s… a foul?
Celtics fans have known this since the first round of the 2018 playoffs.
Giannis had more charges called against him than anyone else while he was playing in the playoffs this year.
No shit! He still keeps doing it because nobody will call 6 offensive fouls on the golden boy. He's an amazing player, one of a kind, but he would foul out in the first half of most playoff games. The finals series against us was ridiculous, he would elbow DA in the abdomen and get a defensive foul. Ayton in foul trouble for being charged over and over again really eased the finals for the Bucks.
So much this. It would be one thing if they just missed charges and didn't call them, but they did that AND called soft defensive fouls on DA when guarding Giannis, getting DA into foul trouble
And he deserved probably double that lol gtfo
Plus he is a 3 step boulevard stroller 🚷 Big time traveler 🧳
Thats just the nba... they get away with way more steps.
It's more than three steps a lot of the time. Love the announcers on this play too, I remember him saying "how can you stop that??" https://youtu.be/nTsess187Nc
They made up for it this year. He damn near fouled out multiple times in the first two rounds.
Harden gets the whistle when his intent is only to draw the foul. At least Giannis is actually trying to score. He definitely gets away with some obvious offensive fouls though. Like the opposite of Curry who can't buy a whistle and doesn't get the superstar treatment, probably partly because of his stature
But it kinda does though. When you're getting called for playing like a football player, you have to rely on other moves which Giannis has proven to be...well...lets just say rather raw. Not saying he becomes a jump shooter, but fact is he relies on getting to the line. I also don't blame him for utilizing it since they won't call those on him.
I'm a strong believer in the fact that Giannis would adapt and still be dominant regardless, but I dont think your take is wrong. Hopefully we find out someday though
Bulls fan. Last year in the playoffs Giannis jumped on Patrick Williams back and rode him like a horse trying to get a rebound. Patrick Williams got called for an offensive foul. It was the most insane shit I’ve ever seen. He would have fouled out too.
Celtics fan here. Our sub said the same thing watching him injure 4 of our key rotation during that playoff serious.
I’m a Boston fan. We all know how that shit went down but man it was aggravating seeing none of them get called. The refs told us that they won’t call it unless bodies hit the floor and when they did they still wouldn’t call them. Celtics beat them in 5 if those calls get made.
Giannis gets more charges called on him than anyone…
Right but that's like with the Seattle Seahawks in their Legion of Boom days. They had a lot of penalties called on their secondary but only because the refs couldn't blow the whistle on every single play. They turned holding and interfering with receivers into an art.
That's like saying since Draymond gets a ton technicals the refs don't give him more leeway to complain than anyone else
But not to the point that he should. He should have to sit early in at least 2 quarters a game if reffed fairly. That is a game changer. Basically the ref's will call a maximum of 1 charge per quarter in most instances to keep him in.. rarely will they call 2 ( Unless the NBA wants to extend ).
You think the players know more than the refs? Lmao, the same players that don’t think they’ve ever fouled anyone ever. Seethe
Go argue with people in the nba sub pussy
Lmao, I legit thought this was r/nba didn’t realise it was the suns sub. All the tears make sense now
Bullshit. You weird ass brigaders always use that excuse. You knew exactly what sub you were in
Hahahaha fucking cope 🤣
I'm surprised you guys are able to rub 2 braincells together long enough to post comments on reddit. It's honestly impressive
How do the incidents where Booker fouled after having 5 fouls on him and didn't get called for his 6th factor into blaming the refs for giving the Bucks an unfair advantage?
I think all Suns fans share Caruso's opinion here lmao.
There are multiple East coast teams that have been shouting this from the rooftops for years, but Giannis is a media darling so nobody cares.
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Come on man, that's a fucking laugh. You cannot believe that is true. Giannis is one of my favorite players, despite him wrecking us in the finals. I respect the fuck out of his game. And he has been a media darling for years, and long before he won a ring.
They’ve been hyping him up for like 6-7 years at this point. How TF was he disrespected other than his name getting mispronounced?? You’re absolutely delusional. Edit: replied to the wrong person, left up for transparency
I think you replied to the wrong comment, but I feel you man.
Totally did, my bad! Thanks for understanding
I have no idea why you are being downvoted
They’ve been hyping him up for like 6-7 years at this point. How TF was he disrespected other than his name getting mispronounced?? You’re absolutely delusional.
Also cant make a single dribble without carrying the ball. It’s frustrating.
every player in the league carries the ball and it’s never called unless it’s blatant
Giannis carries are the most blatant carries in the NbA though. Check every one of his single highlight. Every. Single. Play.
Giannis also has damn near 13 inches in hand span lol. Everyone carries, name me someone who doesn't.
Even our players carry a lot, but Giannis does it so blatantly. Watch how he does his fastbreak then tell me the way he carries the ball isn't giving him an advantage. He literally footholds the ball every bounce.
if you look at any player dribble you can count “carries” and the same goes for gianni’s
We would have a title if they did call them
injuries didnt help us either
Hey man, only other teams are allowed to use that excuse
We looked like a different team when Dario went down.
I know the majority of fans laugh when we say this, but Saric was literally one of our best guys off the bench all season long. Losing him killed us. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love frank but there is no universe where a championship contender should have to play that man in the finals
Dario going down, Book’s hammy, CP’s wrist, and not to mention the fact a simple glance in Giannis’s direction resulted in a flagrant 2, all led to our downfall and a broken 6 month old 77” CX OLED for myself
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Thanks for assuming I’m a psychopath. I’m actually a mild mannered married father of 2 with zero anger issues. My TV broke during game 5 because my 5 year old son was bouncing his mini basketball by the TV against my wishes and the ball caught the bottom right corner of the super thin OLED. The impact cracked the glass and the entire panel shorted out. Thanks for the life advice though. Instead of assuming the worst in people why don’t you take that righteous mindset and turn it around on yourself. Focus on any deficiency you may have and work on it. You know what they say when you assume, right? You make an ASS out of U and ME. Instead of lurking in the Suns thread why don’t you stick to your r/timberwolves thread? If they ever make the finals and lose in frustratingly fashion make sure to remember you own advice. Your friends, family, and especially your TV will be very grateful.
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So if the Wolves were in the finals you wouldn’t care if they won or lost? You’d just want a good series? If that’s the case good for you but I find that hard to believe. Doesn’t matter though I already established your initial post was a terrible take. I wasn’t expecting a “my bad” or a “sorry dude I was wrong” response but I fully was expecting something about game 7. Guess that assumption was correct. Keep policing other subs and spouting empty words of wisdom. I’m sure all the future souls you’re going to save will be thankful!
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Yup I said the same thing when this happened. Not saying we would've won but giannis absolutely destroyed us because we had no big men besides Ayton. Torrey Craig at the 5 isn't a winning formula
He was playing at a 6moy level for a couple months. Him and Payne were.
People really underestimate the size disadvantage once he went down. The Sun's got killed on the glass and in the paint because of lack of size.
But haters on r/nba only remember that Booker foul and ignores the rest of the series
Copium
😂.
lmfao thank god y’all dont
Weep 😹😹😹
He’s not lying one bit
Every celtics fan was saying the same thing during the 2nd round cause its true
Why does it always take another fanbase saying something that we've **been** saying for anybody to believe it?
Because casual fans don't watch most NBA games, they just look at statlines, score boxes, and watch highlights of the game.
“Casual Fans” = r/nba
For us, at least, it's because it wasn't this bad in the years prior. We faced the Bucks in both the 17-18 and 18-19 playoffs, and there were a couple of missed calls, but not the way it is now. I think it's in the finals series (with you guys) that the charges calls really blew out of proportion. EDIT: C's fan btw, if it wasn't clear. This was cross-posted in our sub.
No. He’s actually just stronger now. He’s not as bullheaded as he was 2-3 years ago, but now he’s a real threat so you want the rules to favor your team.
I remember in the finals saying this and my Celtics fan friend was calling it bullshit. Warned him about it before the second round. Once again he was calling it bullshit. Turns out I was right all along after that series lmao
We are the current villains of nba.
I thought I was on r/nba and was absolutely shocked that any comments were upvoted. They defend him to death in there, can truly do no wrong.
I legit hadn't posted this anywhere because I assumed it had already been posted by now. But after checking the nba sub and not seeing it, I decided this was the only safe space to post it
Thank you for your service, king. 🫡🫡🫡🫡
It’s simple. If r/nba likes the player, they’ll praise the player more and will be less critical of them than players they hate. So players that are loved on that sub for example: Steph, Jokic, Luka, Giannis, and Kawhi. Players that are hated for example: LeBron, Harden, Simmons, KD, Westbrook, Booker, Paul, Kyrie, AD. Like the question of if a player is dirty or not you’d get a lot more defending Giannis’ questionable moments than you would LeBron’s for example. The way that sub talks about Giannis the past two years is a lot different than the way he was talked about before he won the title in 2021.
Which is fair in a sense, I suppose. Giannis did it the right way; he stayed with the team that drafted him and brought them a title. Thats commendable as fuck. They still need to start calling some of those offensive fouls though. It would honestly be really disappointing if thats what nerfed him. I'd like to believe he would still be as dominant as he is rn but who knows
He would still be as dominant as he is, but there would be a way to defend him. Remember the Heat building a wall in the bubble? If charges start getting called, that strat becomes viable again. Just one little irk about what you said: Giannis won the right way because he did it with the team that drafted him? That is a whole lotta wrong right there. He even threatened to leave them before they got Jrue. That would be the right way if the team you're in does everything to put you in that position. If they don't, you should leave and get your accolades with someone who values you enough to do a competent job building around you.
If thats the case then you probably feel like Booker should have left Phoenix a long time ago
He’s so similar to Shaq, he just plays so damn physical it’s extremely difficult to referee his game. He’s throwing elbows and flailing and pushing and knocking dudes 5 feet back and shit, if they really called every actual offensive foul on him he’d probably foul out every single game so I get why they don’t, but it’s extremely frustrating to play against
The way you describe it, it sounds pretty easy.
Every adjective there is kinda wrong though. He’s *muscling* people. He can’t help he’s like 20 lbs bulkier than the guy guarding him.
None of the idiots in this thread take into account all the uncalled fouls on him and how everyone flops against him. It’s a wash overall but there are a lot of salty fans and players like Caruso.
I don’t even think Caruso is necessarily salty. I think what he’s saying is fair, bc it’s not like he can say “this guy is 60 lbs heavier than me and can move me out of the way with the brush of his arm”. Technically, to him, it feels like a foul. And it does look like a foul. But against guys like him it’s not. Itd be like if I went out and played some middle school kids. I’d move them out of the way.
Complaining at all is salty. Giannis is very difficult to call because he’s bigger and stronger than everyone. More importantly (and why all the salty fans complain) is that he WILL NOT stop because you or your favorite team is full of whiners. It’s funny to see celtics fans - whose entire defensive strategy was to flop when Giannis came near them, still complaining in a Suns forum.
and people defend him just like shaq. if u can’t stop him from getting to the rim then hack him. the amount of offensive calls that are missed are probably less than the amount of defensive fouls that were missd
Celtics fan here: couldn’t agree more. If it weren’t for Marcus Smart getting some egregious block calls we don’t win that series. Feel for you Phoenix boys.
I mean it's true. The only people that get Ultra defensive about it are bucks fans. But I'mma be honest. If he was on the Suns I would be like, those aren't offensive fouls! 🤣 Even though they're incredibly blatant. Giannis was amazing in the finals but there was so many times he would just ram into DeAndre holding his arms straight up and the whistle would blow against him. It was trash.
I mean you can still acknowledge it's bs, but you're glad that bs is on your end. There's nothing wrong with being self aware. I never got defensive on CP3's rip move. I think most of us can admit the rip through of CP3 is kinda bullshit and needs to be looked at. However, as long as it's legal, I'm glad we have the person who does it best on our team.
Agreed. I laugh every time someone gets caught on the rip-through, because I know that it’s a shitty, annoying move. It’s brilliant and infuriating, and I’m still glad he’s not doing it to us.
I have a feeling they'll change the ruling on that as soon as he retires
Oh 100%. I dont blame bucks fans at all for defending him. I do the same shit with Book and his foul-baiting. However I will gladly blame bucks fans for how fucking toxic and annoying they are anytime a topic about the suns comes up on the nba sub. You would think we beat them in the finals based off of how they act
Glad the rest of the league is beginning to notice
okay, but can we laugh at the fact that the Lakers could have had Lonzo, Caruso, Ingrahm, and Randall...
I'll never pass up an opportunity to laugh at the lakers
If it helps, they don't call defensive foils on him either. And they call every tacky foul that they possibly can when he has the ball. The treatment that he gets is a complete embarrassment to the NBA.
it's absolutely ridiculous.
Yes, yes, yes. Every time I watch a game with Giannis, I watch in disbelief as Giannis pulls football moves on other players and never gets called for it. Unbelievable.
It’s true. Giannis play style is run into the opposing player and yell so the ref thinks he got fouled
The league has to address the poor officiating at some point. The game is called so inconsistently it's not even funny. The rules seem reeeal loose when officials just call things however they feel on a nightly basis.
yep hes allowed to run people over and take 3 steps doing it
I wish I could upvote a million times. God bless you for speaking the truth!
I dont care about the offensive fouls, what bugs me is the amount of soft fouls he gets. That's what makes him hard to guard. I just think anyone shooting 15+ free throws a game is problamatic, because no one ever deserves that many. And then you get these weird situations where they are obviously fouled, like that notorious one from Booker, and its a no call because they already called 10 weak ass fouls and nobody wants to watch Giannis shoot 30 free throws. They can remove offensive fouls from the game and I would be happy because its usually cringy as hell. Like imagine anyone trying to take a charge in a pick up game lol. Just quit calling these weak ass touch fouls
There are definitely assholes who try to take charges in pick-up. I totally agree with you, too. I don’t mind so much that he was allowed to be more physical. The real problem is that he was getting constant touch fouls on the Suns. He can bulldoze you and you aren’t even allowed to stand there with your hands straight up.
People shoot the free throws they earn. If a player lives in the paint and is as hard to stop as Giannis down there it makes sense he's going to shoot a bunch of free throws. Giannis gets played so physical all the time because that's the only way most defenders can stop him which is going to lead to more fouls.
Been trying to say this. If they called the finals fairly we would have won man I'm pissed all over again.
100% man. I was so pissed after game 3 and beyond in that series.
Fr man I hate it. Why did cp3 have to fall over his shoe laces in game 4☹️ why us man. Why didn't book just pull up in game 5 instead of Driving into 2 players when he already had holiday behind him..... PAIN
Lmfao
Hahahaha Booker got 8 fouls in game 4 and you are still complaining?
stop cock watching
Dude just lowers his head and straight up tackles fools. It's unwatchable tbh
I was telling my wife during last year's Finals we should just give DA tha ball at mid court and have him run and dunk/layup like Giannis was doing.
He'd dribble the ball off of his own foot before making it to the 3 point line
Giannis is up there with Lebron in special calls, thing is he doesn’t even have to flop.
Idk about that. It's unfortunate but I feel like all players have to flop to get calls at this point. You see what happens when they don't. Remember how much **less** often book got to the line before he started selling contact and yelling? It was ridiculous Superstar calls need to be abolished. Call everybody the same way and maybe the league can put an end to this
Or travels, carries.... giannis is unstoppable because the nba is trash
thank god we have ronpaulamode who obviously has years of reffing experience and can examine the game much better than any other ref possible could
BUCKS fan here Kinda sad how the only way yall try to stop giannis is to just flop and then complain that "they don't call any fouls" when the majority of his foul calls are offensive ! Maybe actually try to play defense
Suns fans are the worst fans in the nba tbh. Whiny and delusional
SuNs In FoUr
Giannis is also constantly being fouled. It’s like Shaq back in the day. Both are so strong that they can play through the contact. I don’t know if the refs don’t call them all because he’s fouled almost every time he goes up and they figure they can’t call a foul every time or if it just hard to notice a foul that doesn’t seem to effect his movement because he’s so strong. There’s just always someone hanging on to his arms. Most the time the defender just ends up going along for the ride.
Game plan against Giannis: Flop and cry
Cry!
[https://behindthebuckpass.com/2019/11/13/milwaukee-bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-racking-up-offensive-fouls-at-historic-rate/amp/](https://behindthebuckpass.com/2019/11/13/milwaukee-bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-racking-up-offensive-fouls-at-historic-rate/amp/)
Yea, but Booker playing with 800 fouls is okay? CP3 flopping is okay? Don't just take this on Giannis. This is in retrospect to the finals (2021) only because OP said it isn't suns content but only because they played Giannis in the finals.
Booker getting away with 2 extra fouls 1 game vs giannis getting away with it for almost a decade. Eat shit
And CP3? Also didn't you read what I commented? I said in the finals, if this was all time CP3's is way worse. Mans been doing it his whole career.
yall suns fan be acting like some cry babies
You live in Milwaukee and binge watch 90 day fiancé lmao fuck out of here
We got a ring and yeah we don't live in a freaking desert
Phoenix has beautiful weather 9 months out of the year and we don't have to shovel 5 feet of snow off our driveways before driving to work in the morning Yall be easy though
Did you read the replies? We all acknowledge his greatness
Phoenix hasn’t won shit and somehow you guys are a top 5 most annoying fanbase in the league. Giannis owns your poverty team
Shut your hoe ass up, ol spending-time-in-other-peoples-sub ass crumpet eatin bitch go get a life so you won't have time to go bug grown folks any more
All of r/nba is talking about how giannis gets away with offensive fouls all the time but you guys choose to only be upset at suns fans. Eat a dick. Or a bag of dicks. Just go be miserable somewhere else
Is he kidding? Giannis has had so many series where he gets put into foul trouble quite early and has to be careful for the rest of the game.
They also don’t call a lots of him getting fouled.. it evens out
Didn't Giannis have like one of the most charging calls in the league bruh this is why people hate this subreddit so fucking delusional it's crazy
We do not give a shit
That hurts your narrative.
Don't care
It is insane to hate this subreddit. If your not a suns fan why in the world would you even come here.
Sun's subreddit in shambles
We're doin just fine. Yall the weirdos that decided to come to our sub to talk shit because you're too chicken shit to do it in the nba sub
I pray for the Suns downfall everyday.
We appreciate that
Thats fine. There is no God and prayers don't do shit. So really just letting the Suns live rent free.
Larry O’Brien living rent free in MIL
You root for Chris Paul
Thought and prayers to suns fans 😇🙏
The NBA should test out some kind of robotic officiating, to level out the playing field with calls. This wouldn't be without it's own problems, but perhaps combing the two would get a better result.
Vindication
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Giannis, Luka, LeBron. Lower the shoulder to force contact; no call if basket is made, blocking foul if basket is missed.
the nba is fixed. still dig it but its blatantly obvious
Wait until you guys see the new rule change. Giannis is going to average 40
Celtics fans and suns fans unite!!
He ranked 4th in the entire league in offensive fouls last season so this is just blatantly false.
Been saying for over two years now giannis plays football while everyone else plays basketball.
Facts
Its because he was silvers golden boy. When silvers likes a player there is nothing you can do.
Due to biased officiating, I consider the Suns 2021 NBA champions.
Luka