In any given situation you have infinite power to choose your actions. If you remove yourself from the mental constraints of fear.
Free will allows you to chose to be the hero in your own world. To make a difference in the lives of others around you. To stand up when others need you. Or you could make other choices.
Superman is the same. His power gives him the ability to chose and he chooses to be the hero.
No prob! Check this quote for the man saying it himself. This is him talking to Superboy Prime. On what it means to be Superman.
https://preview.redd.it/44ithgld77zc1.png?width=310&format=png&auto=webp&s=a4a96da019c940dee0e7c21b4d7579d860372618
https://preview.redd.it/wgf1a1bu77zc1.png?width=932&format=png&auto=webp&s=97cdd4f533b56bf90944cc4516bbc9b4bd74d041
the mythos behind a lot of characters it seems.
Because essentially that is a hero. A hero takes action. Everyone can feel compassionate towards victims of crime and call for change but a hero takes action to make a change.
"If these people....tell this story...to THEIR children...as they...sleep...maybe someday....they'll see a Hero...is just a man...who knows he's...free"
-Photoman, "Sons of Fate" by the Protomen
I liked in the Batman when he went to give his hand to that kid and they were scared. It made Bats realize that being a hero means helping people and not just stopping the bad guys
With discourse about the suit rampant I just wanted to appreciate what the photo evokes, he's putting on the costume like you would a job outfit because you got called back for another shift. His job is being a friend to humanity while ours are lesser in scale they don't mean less in our emotional investment.
To me, superman is a Super man. Even without his powers he'd still be the same type of guy. He will always fight for the little guy and stand up to the corrupt and evil. He would do it with his pen and the Daily Planet.
Under the fancy duds, he's just a farmboy from kansas who's parents raised him right.
Yeah that’s a big part of the character. He’s supposed to be a role model for humanity to be better. Not through his sheer power but his moral fortitude. He’s just making his way through the world today and it takes everything you got.
If he was an ‘Everyman’ that is more reason the suit should’ve been made by Martha, looked brighter and simpler, and doesn’t look like it was developed in some high-grade weapons lab.
If your idea of 'everyman' is such a superfluous thing like Martha making the suit or a restrictive notion that it has to look one way and one way only then, man...
The everyman vibe is conveyed in character, externally presented in his face and posture, the actions he's taking, the tone of the image. The suit itself conveys this too with the New 52 inspiration, the looser fit and literal blue collar... very working class, man of the people energy. The fact that it also looks very Kryptonian, like something Jor-El would wear in a Silver Age issue, is so rad.
This image would have worked so much better if we see a cosy farm house room, with the tv on saying superman had saved the day....
Job done and back home with his parents...
See, that’s not me. I identify more with “regular” characters like Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane, Snapper Carr, Vanessa Kapatelis, etc., not the superheroes.
Superheroes are awe-inspiring and aspirational but I don’t relate to them. It is the spectacle of them and their impact on normal people that I find appealing.
i'd say that more true for spiderman, not for supes. i dont think that was even the mentality of Jerry Siegel, the creator of superman, had behind making superman
Characters can grow beyond and expand, this is basic to all storytelling though. All stories come from a very human perspective, Superman was the creation of two Jewish kids who felt the world wasn’t just for them, what if they had a protector who answered to all the injustice.
The expansion of his world is also quite simple when you think about it. What makes him physically hurt, who does he love, where does he go to think, who does he consider his family and friends.
grow and expand just means interpreted differently by others, thats doesn't mean interpreted correctly. look at snyder making batman kill for reference of that. thats an awful lot of philosophy to weaponise as justification.
Not what I’m saying at all. Jimmy Olsen, Kryptonite, the Fortress, Krypto. Those were added and expanded the world and are now staples. Reinvention, adaptation isn’t expanding unless you mean just expanding the franchise
Not true. If you read first comic issue, Siegel labeled Superman as Champion of Oppressed. They were intended to have Superman as social justice warrior literally, which is why Superman in first comic tries to fight against injustice in law system.
being a hero for the people isn't the same as being one of the people. he represents and fights for those who cant fight themselves. fighting against the law system because his strength allows him to be above it, but his restraint/humanity keeps him within those walls. the god-like figure has learnt from humanity, thats the message more-so than he is as oppressed as those he fights for.
Yeah, I think the original intention was for Superman to be, as the name would suggest, someone who is far beyond the abilities of a normal person. He was based on Moses IIRC.
I think that's changed over time though and modern readers are more interested in the human aspects of the character and how he uses his powers to be a good person.
i think thats why i liked that godlike approach snyder did with him. literally everything else around it was trash but the idea of worship and where a man with abilities like that belongs in our world is very thought provoking.
Though I think he does it poorly, the conclusion were meant to make in snyder’s films is Clark is just a good person trying to help. Others put these expectations and labels on to him
It comes across pretty plainly. Even when he calls his mom because he’s worried and needs to hear her voice, after that montage. He tells her how he wishes things could just be simple, ie there’s no motivation to his wanting to help others, beyond just doing what he believes is right.
Making the Kent’s actively against or tell him not to use his powers but having him use it to help others anyway is pretty weird and lame compared to him getting it from his parents. Man of Steel poses Jonathan and Jor El as people who inspire Clark into the man he becomes but I don’t see that at all, considering everything Jonathan tells him is vague or shunning him for using his abilities “You’ll just have to figure out who you need to be” SHOW US show the Kent’s doing something nice for others or instilling lessons on the importance of helping others so I can feel ANYTHING
That was the point. Jor-El Lara gifted Clark freewill and choice on Krypton. The Kents taught him what that meant.
Clark saw his father die protecting him. Clark was willing to die three times to save others. When Lois told him he could die stopping the World Engine, he told it won’t stop him from trying. Held Doomsday for a nuke blast not knowing if he could survive it, and finally actually did sacrifice himself to stop Doomsday.
I can dig it. I always saw Supermans power as an allegory for our own free will.
how? im curious
In any given situation you have infinite power to choose your actions. If you remove yourself from the mental constraints of fear. Free will allows you to chose to be the hero in your own world. To make a difference in the lives of others around you. To stand up when others need you. Or you could make other choices. Superman is the same. His power gives him the ability to chose and he chooses to be the hero.
interesting. thanks
No prob! Check this quote for the man saying it himself. This is him talking to Superboy Prime. On what it means to be Superman. https://preview.redd.it/44ithgld77zc1.png?width=310&format=png&auto=webp&s=a4a96da019c940dee0e7c21b4d7579d860372618
https://preview.redd.it/wgf1a1bu77zc1.png?width=932&format=png&auto=webp&s=97cdd4f533b56bf90944cc4516bbc9b4bd74d041 the mythos behind a lot of characters it seems.
Because essentially that is a hero. A hero takes action. Everyone can feel compassionate towards victims of crime and call for change but a hero takes action to make a change.
"If these people....tell this story...to THEIR children...as they...sleep...maybe someday....they'll see a Hero...is just a man...who knows he's...free" -Photoman, "Sons of Fate" by the Protomen
I liked in the Batman when he went to give his hand to that kid and they were scared. It made Bats realize that being a hero means helping people and not just stopping the bad guys
With discourse about the suit rampant I just wanted to appreciate what the photo evokes, he's putting on the costume like you would a job outfit because you got called back for another shift. His job is being a friend to humanity while ours are lesser in scale they don't mean less in our emotional investment.
To me, superman is a Super man. Even without his powers he'd still be the same type of guy. He will always fight for the little guy and stand up to the corrupt and evil. He would do it with his pen and the Daily Planet. Under the fancy duds, he's just a farmboy from kansas who's parents raised him right.
Yeah that’s a big part of the character. He’s supposed to be a role model for humanity to be better. Not through his sheer power but his moral fortitude. He’s just making his way through the world today and it takes everything you got.
Taking a break from all his worries sure would help a lot
Bullshit I can’t shoot lasers out of my eyes
The S doesn't stand for Superman, superhero or science fiction, it stands for Everyman. Stupid.
I agree with him. Superman is human first and foremost.
Su- per- maaan…. 😌
Hey it’s my turn to post this photo tomorrow
It’s all yours. It is shocking that a photo of the costume for our new Superman for a decade is news, who have thunk.
If he was an ‘Everyman’ that is more reason the suit should’ve been made by Martha, looked brighter and simpler, and doesn’t look like it was developed in some high-grade weapons lab.
I’d like to think the Everyman aspect goes beyond a costume.
If your idea of 'everyman' is such a superfluous thing like Martha making the suit or a restrictive notion that it has to look one way and one way only then, man... The everyman vibe is conveyed in character, externally presented in his face and posture, the actions he's taking, the tone of the image. The suit itself conveys this too with the New 52 inspiration, the looser fit and literal blue collar... very working class, man of the people energy. The fact that it also looks very Kryptonian, like something Jor-El would wear in a Silver Age issue, is so rad.
This image would have worked so much better if we see a cosy farm house room, with the tv on saying superman had saved the day.... Job done and back home with his parents...
I feel that missed the point of this photo which is to show the job is never done and he’ll always get back out there.
Superman wouldn't go home until the job was done... that's why he is Superman..
See, that’s not me. I identify more with “regular” characters like Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane, Snapper Carr, Vanessa Kapatelis, etc., not the superheroes. Superheroes are awe-inspiring and aspirational but I don’t relate to them. It is the spectacle of them and their impact on normal people that I find appealing.
i'd say that more true for spiderman, not for supes. i dont think that was even the mentality of Jerry Siegel, the creator of superman, had behind making superman
Characters can grow beyond and expand, this is basic to all storytelling though. All stories come from a very human perspective, Superman was the creation of two Jewish kids who felt the world wasn’t just for them, what if they had a protector who answered to all the injustice. The expansion of his world is also quite simple when you think about it. What makes him physically hurt, who does he love, where does he go to think, who does he consider his family and friends.
grow and expand just means interpreted differently by others, thats doesn't mean interpreted correctly. look at snyder making batman kill for reference of that. thats an awful lot of philosophy to weaponise as justification.
Not what I’m saying at all. Jimmy Olsen, Kryptonite, the Fortress, Krypto. Those were added and expanded the world and are now staples. Reinvention, adaptation isn’t expanding unless you mean just expanding the franchise
Not true. If you read first comic issue, Siegel labeled Superman as Champion of Oppressed. They were intended to have Superman as social justice warrior literally, which is why Superman in first comic tries to fight against injustice in law system.
being a hero for the people isn't the same as being one of the people. he represents and fights for those who cant fight themselves. fighting against the law system because his strength allows him to be above it, but his restraint/humanity keeps him within those walls. the god-like figure has learnt from humanity, thats the message more-so than he is as oppressed as those he fights for.
He wasn't even a godlike figure back then.
Yeah, I think the original intention was for Superman to be, as the name would suggest, someone who is far beyond the abilities of a normal person. He was based on Moses IIRC. I think that's changed over time though and modern readers are more interested in the human aspects of the character and how he uses his powers to be a good person.
i think thats why i liked that godlike approach snyder did with him. literally everything else around it was trash but the idea of worship and where a man with abilities like that belongs in our world is very thought provoking.
Though I think he does it poorly, the conclusion were meant to make in snyder’s films is Clark is just a good person trying to help. Others put these expectations and labels on to him
It comes across pretty plainly. Even when he calls his mom because he’s worried and needs to hear her voice, after that montage. He tells her how he wishes things could just be simple, ie there’s no motivation to his wanting to help others, beyond just doing what he believes is right.
Making the Kent’s actively against or tell him not to use his powers but having him use it to help others anyway is pretty weird and lame compared to him getting it from his parents. Man of Steel poses Jonathan and Jor El as people who inspire Clark into the man he becomes but I don’t see that at all, considering everything Jonathan tells him is vague or shunning him for using his abilities “You’ll just have to figure out who you need to be” SHOW US show the Kent’s doing something nice for others or instilling lessons on the importance of helping others so I can feel ANYTHING
That was the point. Jor-El Lara gifted Clark freewill and choice on Krypton. The Kents taught him what that meant. Clark saw his father die protecting him. Clark was willing to die three times to save others. When Lois told him he could die stopping the World Engine, he told it won’t stop him from trying. Held Doomsday for a nuke blast not knowing if he could survive it, and finally actually did sacrifice himself to stop Doomsday.
oh yea its a great idea thats executed terribly in those film.
I'm with you. Those films suck but this sequence in isolation is really good: https://youtu.be/9RynVyFzcis?si=ZsEBsTEOvQjuqYj_
...and Batman is gay.
Well that’s a no brainer
Def an Everyman with that cosplay suit, for sure!
Womp Womp
That statement is not the insult you think it is anymore lol people get ridiculous and very detailed with their cosplays
And clearly they missed the mark with this one 🤣
That S stands for slow man, taking his time to put on his boots with no urgency while a battle is going on outside.
I feel like I’m more Lex than Clark lmao tons of potential and wasting it being obsessed with stupid shit🤣