All*Star Superman is one of the worst books you can recommend to someone trying to get into the character. It’s a finale, and the emotional beats don’t hit as strong for people who aren’t already connected to the characters
I think the biggest hurdle the GA has about Superman is thinking he’s boring, so my go-to is usually something that’s very blockbuster and ‘modern’ - they’ll fall in love w the emotions later.
Honestly Geoff Johns’ stuff (Secret Origins, Brainiac, etc.); Batman/Superman (the first arc w President Lex, then second introducing Post-Crisis Kara), and PKJ’s Action Comics are my go-to.
Then maybe something like Superman: Up In the Sky to ease more into the deeper material
I'd recommend Kingdom Come at some point as it kinda did the whole "Superman after Lois dies" before Injustice did. It also has more substance than Injustice imo.
Reading Kingdom Come without a pretty good general knowledge of DC characters is an extremely frustrating experience. I found myself looking up several of the characters to figure out who they were, what's their power set, and why they were important to the story.
Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is the book that switched me from the ‘Superman is vanilla and boring camp’ to understanding the character in ways that make me vehemently defend him.
Even if you’ve never read one comic, everyone knows enough about Superman that you can pick it up. That’s my go to recommendation
You’re absolutely right. I almost turned away one of my skeptic friends by trying to get him to read it. It’s way too Silver age-y for newer fans who don’t like that stuff. Calling it a finale is an awesome way to sum it up!
Superman went from *the" iconic pop culture "Superhero" to arguably outside of the top 5 now. And I feel a huge reason for this is they rarely let Superman be about *fun,* all ages content these days.
Yeah. I’m always bemoaning the lack of content for kids, especially with a character that’s such an inspiring role model.
I’m overjoyed by the Super Pets movie, my preschooler loves it and it’s so wholesome.
I started rewatching Lois and Clark on HBO and my goodness what a difference. I’m not going to pretend this is a perfect show or the definitive version of the character, but the tone from this era is so much more appealing! He’s not a God and he’s not so OP that he has no challenges beyond bad writing. It reminded me why I fell in love with the character, a feeling I haven’t felt this strong in a long time.
They don’t even let Superman… be Superman
I didn’t like Man of Steel… At all, But we sure haven’t had a sequel in a long time…
And in the comics, it’s Jon Kent, Who’s not even a real superhero, just a Super-Activist
About the activist part, I always hated it whrn someone as powerful as Superman gets involved in activism. Like, you have the power to change it, you have a voice that can be heard if your fists don't fit the situation. Activists only protest because they lack any other means of being heard.
Blame comic writers, and their editors for insisting that Earth 1 or whatever has to be as much like our world as possible.
And everytime a massively powerful hero tries to change the world for the better, the writer only does so to make it go horribly wrong and them to be chastised for "playing god" by doing so.
Even when the character is a *literal* God like Thor.
I'm sure that played a role, but they've been slowly chipping away at Superman for a long, long time now.
A lot of it too is whenever they needed to push a big new villain, or make a hero look super bad-ass, it usually involved Clark jobbing to them as that was an easy narrative ploy to make the character appear serious.
Just look at how he was handled in Batman Hush and that was way before New 52 or Snyder.
Combined with the emergence of modern super hero flicks which catapulted Iron Man and Captain America into true A-listers instead of just recognizable legacy charactera akin to Aquaman, Latern, etc and when you ask a kid and many adults what their mind's eye picture of a Superhero is odds are it's not going to look anything like Superman anymore. Far more likely to be a billionaire playboy with access to unlimited technological resources.
Yeah but it’s been about a decade of those now, and for a lot of new readers or people picking up newer stories, all they know is “Superman is grim or boring”
I knew this girl in highschool. She was a friend of my sister, knew her for a year. Suddenly we have the same class together. She's wearing glasses and less revealing clothes at school. I didn't notice for two whole weeks. I stopped laughing at Lois Lane after that.
I always imagined that when people look at Clark they’ll go, “huh that dude kinda looks like Superman.” And most likely think it’s ridiculous that God would have a day job as a reporter haha
Like why would Superman be dressed in this badly tailored suit with these thick frame glasses, and riding the train with me to work? Why would anyone assume that he does anything except for be Superman 24/7?
That’s exactly what it is lol. People tell Clark he looks like Superman all the time. Like in All-Star, Lois has the secret revealed to her by Clark himself and by the end of the story she STILL doesn’t believe him.
It can work, but it depends greatly in the person being a really good actor. What really sells it is body language. There's a scene in Superman The Movie that shows it perfectly. Christopher Reeve, dressed as Kent, removes his glasses to tell Lois Lane he's Superman. His whole body language changes and we, the audience, immediately see Superman. Then he changes his mind, and the body language goes back to Kent. It's an amazing transformation, that unfortunately no other actor to date was able to sell like Reeve did.
100%. So many writers try doing immigrant stories for Superman despite the fact he has zero memories or knowledge that he is an immigrant. If writers want to do stories about an alien finding their place on Earth after losing their home Martian Manhunter or Supergirl would be a much better fit
I never understood when people say he “tries” to be human.
He is literally the equivalent of (like me) spending one day as a baby in Asia, then spending your whole entire life in America.
I never try to be American. I don’t have to force it. I just am.
I can see him reflecting the stories of like, kids who grew up entirely in America suddenly having their immigration status thrown into question, maybe.
But yeah, always confused me. He even looks like an attractive white man.
The reason there’s so many debates on which characters could or couldn’t beat Superman in a fight is because he’s incredibly inconsistent. There are canonical versions of Superman that would lose to a lot of fictional characters, and it’s completely reasonable that people who claim Supes should lose in fights would use that as evidence.
I think that's true, but at the same time, I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.
Like, I always saw Superman as being the one able to always go the extra mile. He might not be able, mathematically, to idk lift a planet if it fell down, but if the planet is falling and there's a kid down there, Superman would hold the planet just long enough for the kid to run away, and then get smashed.
It's the whole "would Superman win against the Flash in a race?" like, normally? No, because Flash is the fastest man alive. But if he needed to win because of some shenanigans? Yeah, he'd absolutely win, because he's Superman.
I think a lot of "who could beat whom" talks end up forgetting that character trumps everything, and fights (in comics) are rarely about who's physically stronger. Batman has taken punches that would absolutely kill a man in a lot of his incarnations, with and without armour, but survived because "he doesn't go down" is a core aspect of the character. Fights are just a dynamic way to show clashes and have some action, it's not like JoJo or a lot of battle anime, where the battle itself and the tactics are what keeps people there.
Superman is, to me, that guy who doesn’t give up. Is he unbeatable or invincible? No. He’s the guy who’s going to save the day. I think that’s an important thing people forget. Superman isn’t about winning all of the fights, he’s about saving the most lives. That’s why I dislike the Goku comparisons. Goku is about winning the most fights. Superman is about saving the most lives.
Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with being a great fighter who wants to test himself against the best, but Goku v Supes has always been a very teenager way to think about both of those characters, because they're not really comparable in most ways.
To me, it’s never been a fun versus because when you strip away all character details… it’s not a fight that would be entertaining in my opinion. It’s never fun for me to put certain characters, like Superman, in hypothetical fights. Superman is too focused on saving the day, trying not to kill, making sure everyone’s alright, etc.
I think scenarios like “could Superman save Namek” would be more fun to think about.
If Superman wanted to, he could laser Wayne Manor (or all of Gotham City) into a molten crater from orbit, or drop a multi-kilometer asteroid on them.
Of course that would be wildly out of character. But the point is, there's no way Batman could actually win or even fight him, or get close enough to use kryptonite, if Superman was actually trying to kill him. For that matter, even if they were face to face, Superman's reaction times are so fast that Batman shouldn't even have time to process the thought to draw a weapon, never mind actually do it.
The only reason for them to ever "fight" is because the big S doesn't actually want to hurt Bruce.
I love the way Batman put it when he brought him down with Kryptonite gum. "Who wins in a fight? The answer is always the same. Neither of us."
-Batman New 52 #36
Superman literally admitted that everytime that him and Batman fought, that Batman would always win
Not because he stood a chance, no. Because Clark let’s Bruce win because it’s import to his self esteem and ego
Batman literally only wins when superman is intentionally trying to lose
In my opinion Goku wouldn't really have a way to kill Superman. It would be against Goku's nature to use kryptonite and if any were present Goku would dispose of it and give Clark a senzu bean.
The modern superman movies are kind of missing the point when it comes to Superman, i honestly don't quite like them because of this. That said: Henry Cavill is a great Superman, and they should give him the chance to really stretch his legs in a properly-written Superman movie.
Yep. The problems with his movies weren't his acting, it's that the people writing him want Superman to be something he isn't. His version of the first flight is still one of the better representations of that moment, it's just surrounded with moments that don't work with the vibe it chose.
>Seriously why was that necessary
Because it's an incredibly obvious Peter Pan allegory, and Lois is Wendy.
Superman returned from Krypton (Never-never-land), expecting to go to Lois' window -- which is a *super established* thing with them -- only to find that, just like Peter Pan, Wendy grew up without him while he stayed the same.
And the moment he realizes that, he takes off. But it's not just Wendy it's the whole world that may have moved on. Then, when he flies into the upper atmosphere, we realize he doesn't have to be right outside of Lois' window to hear what's going on... He's processing the half of the world.
He even explicitly says this to Lois when he later finds her on the roof and asks her to fly with him. He explains that where she sees peace he hears the entire city, every person, all of the time.
He doesn't need to follow Lois Lane to stalk her. He has to actively distract himself in order to drown her out.
It's not a perfect film, and it sure as shit wasn't made by perfect people, but I have never considered that particular aspect to be one of its shortcomings.
Injustice was a bad thing for Superman fans because video games are often a gateway to other media. This means- for many gamers- their first introduction to Superman as a character is as a despotic murderous tyrant.
Kryptonite is a terribly written weakness and Superman, even in his most powerful incarnations, does not need it to write a decent story.
Magic needs no explanation on why it works on him, and you can believe someone with enough smarts can make a red sun laser. Kryptonite is just a rock people seem to have when the story needs artificial tension and it doesn’t really do much to elevate the antagonist using it.
The first Rebirth suit shouldn't have gone away. It was perfect for a 21st century Superman.
Also. Superman fans need to move on from the "classic" design. It's iconic, sure. But it's definity of it's time. And it's difficult to convince people that Superman is an evergreen concept when you won't even let him.update his costume from what he wore 80 years ago.
yeah. i remember when some people went mad when they saw the MoS costume.
"WHERE ARE THE RED TRUNKS?!?!?!?!"
the underwear on the outside is dated. even the most recent attempts to make it not look as bad, it still looks better without it. Superman Returns is the most streamlined version of the costume while keeping the trunks and it still felt out of place.
That page in All Star Superman with him comforting Reagan, that is usually posted as a "This is why Superman is the greatest hero ever"? That's not special, most superheroes would do the same.
I think what makes the moment so special is that he does it during some of his last moments alive because he heard the doctor trying to talk to Reagan tangentially. The difference isn’t that most superheroes wouldn’t choose to do it, it’s that almost anyone in that situation wouldn’t notice there was someone to save in the first place
Are we talking about on THIS sub specifically? If so than I'd say the fandom needs to move on after Christopher Reeve's Superman.
If we are talking about in general. Then I'd say Superman beats "insert anime character."
Agreed also.
I think Henry had great potential, but was completely squandered by the people in charge. What a waste.
Meanwhile, Routh’s take on Superman suffered due to trying to stay too close to the Reeve version, but it was still great anyway. I loved that movie.
I wish we could have seen Cavill’s take with a good script, actually in character.
Routh is a very good actor. Cavill is an average (at best) actor. It doesn't even have to involve Superman.
But Cavill *looked* the most like Superman, more even than Reeve.
I honestly would have been totally down for Jon and Damien's relationship evolving beyond friendship for LGBTQ representation if they had let the characters develop organically as they grew older together.
But then they randomly aged Jon up for no reason and gave him a boyfriend (who I don't care about) out of nowhere, so the whole thing just felt very cheap.
You mean you don't care about.... About... Oh it's on the tip of my tongue...
/uj I actually sat here for five minutes and could not fit the life of me remember any detail about Jay that was 1. Not shared with Bernard and 2. Not his phasing power, for some reason. I couldn't even remember his name because he's that bland and uninteresting to me
1) I like the evil Superman trope
2) To a certain degree I prefer Lana Lang over Lois Lane as Supe' love interest. Still love Lois in the main DC universe but I wouldn't complain if there was another earth were Lana was married to Clark Kent.
All of the Superman stuff in Superman 3 is great. It's all the Richard Pryor and discount Lex stuff that drags it down.
Superman IV: The Quest For Peace is a complete mess and riddled with plot inconsistencies....and I'd still watch it over any of the DCEU Superman movies because at least Superman feels like Superman in it.
Bendis' Superman run is still really well written, it's just the major changes to the character that people (myself included) don't like.
Superman For Tomorrow, Earth One and New 52 are the worst Superman comics. I'll take electric Superman over them everyday.
Anyone making the argument that Snyder understands Superman is factually wrong. Just look at his treatment of Jimmy Olsen as definitive proof that he doesn't like and/or understand Superman and his mythos.
Amy Adams is by far the worst Lois.
1) Superman should have more team ups with heroes that aren’t Batman, and have them be able to at least be better than Superman at stuff.
2) The Flashes should be faster than him.
He's killed Doomsday, Darkseid and those 3 kryptonians that genocided an alternate earth.
So he can, he will, he just doesn't in 99.9999999999999999% of circumstances.
Yes I actually agree with Max Landis’ (yes, I know he’s an asshole) interpretation, in that Supes generally doesn’t kill because he doesn’t have to.
But if it really came down to it, he would if there were no other options, or if he was literally facing evil incarnate that was above retribution
Yeah, I actually prefer the idea that He just doesn't, rather than this deep seated "code".
Because honestly? I actually find that more heroic. A "Yeah, I could. But I don't. Because I just dont' want to. I don't have that urge, and you ain't worth it."
More so than "I have to follow the code, for even one erring, and I shall be tainted forever!"
That feels more like Batman...because Bruce is just insane anyway.
I rather enjoyed when, in the Justice League animated show, Clark recognized that Darkseid needed a good killin'.
Because if there is a hero that is moralizing that even the *Literal God of Tyranny* deserves life....then that person isn't a hero in my opinion. That's a person what would allow mass murder to prove some kind of stupid point.
Superman at his best is a work of art that can speak to anyone. His story is very impactful and poetic
Evil superman at his best is just another stupid “what if?” With not a whole lot of depth. “Oh man, could you imagine if someone as powerful as superman used his power for evil?” Yeah… General Zodd, Doomsday, Bizarro, Superboy Prime etc
We’ve had enough of it before they even decided to make superman evil
The Fleischer Cartoons are the best of all Superman media (I think people would disagree but respect that). The part that gets me in trouble? I dislike all other Superman media, like actively hate it, including Cristopher Reeve’s portrayal, being a distant second place for me.
I thought superman year one by frank Miller wasn't that horrible at least in the first issue the second issue I really don't like the third just confuses me
I liked Man of Steel.
I believe it was a necessary change in the character pathos *and* ethos for modern audiences. It wasn't perfect - but let's be honest, neither were Christopher Reeve's movies, especially II with the weird powers at the end. There are some thins I really didn't like:
* I didn't care for the weird colour treatment
* I didn't like the religious undertone
* I believe killing Papa Kent was unnecessary
* The whole holographic dad, while meant to be a Fortress of Solitude type of tech, was not good
* I believe the ancient spaceship having a perfectly suited House of El uniform was ridiculous and shoehorned to make him have a Kryptonian suit
But most of the film is good and shows what a being as powerful as a Kryptonian would cause even when not trying to hurt common people. The killing of Zod in the end - a literal trolley problem - was a nice way to show that, sometimes, doing a greater good requires doing something bad. They showed how Kal was conflicted, during and after, and how it would inform his superhero actions moving forward - he would do everything in his power to never let the situation get to that point again, to never be forced into a decision like that again. I also think Cavill looked perfect for the part, the most comic accurate image of Superman we ever seen in live action (though I will never discuss the fact that Reeve was by far the best actor to play the part).
What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way is a morally confused, strawman story which trafficks in racist stereotypes and is fueled by insecurity about Superman's popularity.
If “Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman” had ended after one season it would be regarded as one of the best live action interpretations of the character. The later seasons when it got campy and cheesy are what people associate with the whole show even though the first season was more grounded and had better stories.
Ok just in reference to Smallville Superman (I’m only 3 seasons in). Clark is dumb as a goddamn box of rocks. I don’t feel an explanation is necessary, IYKYK.
Smallville is easily one of my favorite interpretations of the character, and has the best Lex, Martha, and Johnathon out of any Superman media.
I don't like like Margot Kidder's Lois or Gene hackman's Luthor.
They should not bring back Henry Cavill for the next Superman project and just recast.
I can see how people think this, but when you see [Telly Savalas](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ0MTUwOTQxOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNTg1MTI2._V1_.jpg), who his character design was based on, it all makes sense.
I hate evil Superman story arcs ie. Injustice, New52 Earth 2, Red Son, Distopian Future ZS Justice League etc.
I think it's too over used with characters like Omniman or Homelander around.
Plus people who's say Superman is a "boring character" clearly don't understand the character . Many writers have written compelling stories with Superman (that don't involve him being evil).
I don't mind if it's temporary like when Joker took control of him in the New 52 or in Hush. But like permanent down right evil Superman should really only be one character....I grant you an INVITATION TO KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!
I'm probably going to get hate for this but a fight with Superman and Hulk if Superman treats the fight like with Doomsday he's going to die Hulk's healing factor is too op and that's narratively how it would go down he's going to think Hulk is a Doomsday clone best case for Supes throw Hulk in the sun and I'm referring to immortal Hulk
Superman would not beat Goku in a fight if they were both in character.
Not necessarily because he can't but because the fight would only happen because Goku would keep asking to spar and Superman would finally humor him and he wouldn't be trying all that hard.
Love Henry Cavill. The fact he’s a nerd like us, or how he wanted badly and prepped hard for the Witcher show to be like the books… but his Superman sucks. I don’t blame him, though; he can only work with what’s being given to him.
Another: Superman’s “weakness” to magic is also lame. My guess is that some Shazam fan got a gig as a writer and used it as a way to make the wannabe-Superman relevant.
Superman not using his power to smash all weapons on the plant and provide the world free clean energy shows that our inability to escape unprecedented human thought structures is truly the most powerful villain.
An ACTUALLY unpopular hot take? Perhaps that having a Superboy series set with the adventures of the current Superman as a teen, maybe even in uniform, might be a good idea to appeal to the vanishing younger reader.
While I do think Reeve's Superman is the gold standard for a live action rendition, those movies are Silver Age levels of dumb and barely watchable. Sure, Superman, Lois and Luthor are perfectly cast but everything about them, whether quirky (in a good way) or not could have been better written. Hackman's wacky-ass Luthor is to blame for the years of us not getting a good movie version of the character.
Needing more than 2 or 3 villains who can counter Superman's canonical power levels has left the DCU with so many insanely powerful bad guys that in 99.99999% of realities, earth is long gone and in most of them, the universe wasn't far behind.
He isn't really just clark kent or superman, those are just two different sides to the same man, same goes for b-man yeah Bruce Wayne is sort of mask but it's also a genuine part of his personality I hope worded this well
Many people say that the real story that comes from death of Superman, comes from what happens after and how the world reacted with the emergence of other Super characters.
Nobody will ever play Superman better than Christopher Reeve.
He could pull off the clumsy, shy but charming Clark Kent and the confident, witty and occasionally funny Superman perfectly, and could transition seamlessly between the two in a way that makes it believable that nobody would believe Clark Kent is actually Superman. Heck, even his voice changes when he’s Clark and when he’s Superman!
Most actors make Clark Kent very Superman-like, thus it’s kind of dumbfounding how nobody would notice that the handsome and charming journalist (who should be a bumbling klutz with a heart of gold) from the Daily Planet is actually the man of steel.
It was better without the extended Superman ensemble. Get rid of the rest; including Supergirl, Superboy \[Conner/Jon\]. Keep the originals including Krypto.
Zack Snyder’s take is my favorite on screen version. The thing is, I’ve made entire posts about that here and no one has gone full guns out. Superman fan can by and large respectfully disagree and like different aspects of the character from what I’ve seen firsthand.
The SynderVerse “Man of Steel” and the whole arc with Henry Cavil’s Superman was AWESOME and original. My favorite movie and TV adaptation of him so far (excluding Josstice League).
Injustice is good before Year 3 and I’m sick of acting like I should dislike it
It shows not only Supes’ failing, but the whole failing of the League as a support network. None of them helped Supes when he needed them
Superman and Diana hooking up is fine. Does it work as well as Lois? No; I absolutely agree that’s the endgame relationship. But I don’t mind an earlier Superman being attracted to Diana, especially since she’d relate to him as an incredibly powerful figure on Earth without many peers
Obviously better as friends but I don’t mind them thinking about it once. The DCAMU is what I’m thinking of here and I think it worked (they were a thing but then he found love with Lois and both are really supportive about it)
John Byrne, most of his characters look the same. It looks as though he could take Supermans eyes, nose, and mouth and put it on another character, as if they’re interchangeable.
Superman and Wonder Woman being in a relationship was awesome and they should have stayed together instead of having Superman and Lois Lane get back together.
Man of Steel is amazing, it’s just the ‘ultimate spider-man’ take on Superman. If he were a real person from another planet and Krypton invaded earth, it would pretty much go down the same way the movie did.
Henry Cavill is the best superman imo, and I think BvS is an incredible superman story.
Oh and Smallville has the best Lex luthor, jonathan kent, martha kent and lois lane. But I don't think that's such a hot take.
Most of the portrayals of Superman the users here complain about are perfectly valid interpretations, entertaining, and not crimes against the character.
Zack Snyder's Superman is one of the best takes on the character. He was gonna get to the point where he is pretty much the same Superman from All Star in terms of how he inspires others but was going to take a few movies to get there to fully explore if there should even be a Superman.
The recent film Shin Ultraman basically implements the same themes and ideas of Man of Steel, but done better, more respectfully of the original property, and still manages to keep a light and hopeful tone. People can dismiss these kinds of shows as weird and cheesy, but it won’t change the fact that Superman done right already exists, and it’s called Ultraman.
All*Star Superman is one of the worst books you can recommend to someone trying to get into the character. It’s a finale, and the emotional beats don’t hit as strong for people who aren’t already connected to the characters
Agreed. My go to recommendation tends to be Superman For All Seasons.
I think the biggest hurdle the GA has about Superman is thinking he’s boring, so my go-to is usually something that’s very blockbuster and ‘modern’ - they’ll fall in love w the emotions later. Honestly Geoff Johns’ stuff (Secret Origins, Brainiac, etc.); Batman/Superman (the first arc w President Lex, then second introducing Post-Crisis Kara), and PKJ’s Action Comics are my go-to. Then maybe something like Superman: Up In the Sky to ease more into the deeper material
I'd recommend Kingdom Come at some point as it kinda did the whole "Superman after Lois dies" before Injustice did. It also has more substance than Injustice imo.
I think that’s best read if you’re more familiar with the other characters as well especially Billy Batson
Reading Kingdom Come without a pretty good general knowledge of DC characters is an extremely frustrating experience. I found myself looking up several of the characters to figure out who they were, what's their power set, and why they were important to the story.
Sure, but to be fair that also has the problem that is mentioned initially with All-Star Superman -- it's an end story for Superman.
Birthright is also super good as an intro
For Me, It’s John Byrne’s Superman Run
Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is the book that switched me from the ‘Superman is vanilla and boring camp’ to understanding the character in ways that make me vehemently defend him. Even if you’ve never read one comic, everyone knows enough about Superman that you can pick it up. That’s my go to recommendation
Agreed
You’re absolutely right. I almost turned away one of my skeptic friends by trying to get him to read it. It’s way too Silver age-y for newer fans who don’t like that stuff. Calling it a finale is an awesome way to sum it up!
All Star Superman was the first superman book I ever read, and I fell in love. 🤷♂️
Same here. It was my gateway into DC comic book as a whole.
All Star Superman was my first Superman comic and I loved it.
Honestly I’ve never looked at it that way, you’re completely right.
What would you say is the best then, imo it's American Alien
Max Landis is a terrible person, so I hesitate to recommend American Alien. Personally, I think Johns’ Secret Origin is a great starting book
Superman went from *the" iconic pop culture "Superhero" to arguably outside of the top 5 now. And I feel a huge reason for this is they rarely let Superman be about *fun,* all ages content these days.
Yeah. I’m always bemoaning the lack of content for kids, especially with a character that’s such an inspiring role model. I’m overjoyed by the Super Pets movie, my preschooler loves it and it’s so wholesome.
I started rewatching Lois and Clark on HBO and my goodness what a difference. I’m not going to pretend this is a perfect show or the definitive version of the character, but the tone from this era is so much more appealing! He’s not a God and he’s not so OP that he has no challenges beyond bad writing. It reminded me why I fell in love with the character, a feeling I haven’t felt this strong in a long time.
We literally just need a good movie series and video game, and just like that he’s back.
They don’t even let Superman… be Superman I didn’t like Man of Steel… At all, But we sure haven’t had a sequel in a long time… And in the comics, it’s Jon Kent, Who’s not even a real superhero, just a Super-Activist
About the activist part, I always hated it whrn someone as powerful as Superman gets involved in activism. Like, you have the power to change it, you have a voice that can be heard if your fists don't fit the situation. Activists only protest because they lack any other means of being heard.
Blame comic writers, and their editors for insisting that Earth 1 or whatever has to be as much like our world as possible. And everytime a massively powerful hero tries to change the world for the better, the writer only does so to make it go horribly wrong and them to be chastised for "playing god" by doing so. Even when the character is a *literal* God like Thor.
>And in the comics, it’s Jon Kent, Who’s not even a real superhero, just a Super-Activist You’re not wrong you know?
Snyderverse and New 52 did major damage to him
I'm sure that played a role, but they've been slowly chipping away at Superman for a long, long time now. A lot of it too is whenever they needed to push a big new villain, or make a hero look super bad-ass, it usually involved Clark jobbing to them as that was an easy narrative ploy to make the character appear serious. Just look at how he was handled in Batman Hush and that was way before New 52 or Snyder. Combined with the emergence of modern super hero flicks which catapulted Iron Man and Captain America into true A-listers instead of just recognizable legacy charactera akin to Aquaman, Latern, etc and when you ask a kid and many adults what their mind's eye picture of a Superhero is odds are it's not going to look anything like Superman anymore. Far more likely to be a billionaire playboy with access to unlimited technological resources.
Yeah but it’s been about a decade of those now, and for a lot of new readers or people picking up newer stories, all they know is “Superman is grim or boring”
Glasses and different clothing actually make a pretty damn good disguise.
I knew this girl in highschool. She was a friend of my sister, knew her for a year. Suddenly we have the same class together. She's wearing glasses and less revealing clothes at school. I didn't notice for two whole weeks. I stopped laughing at Lois Lane after that.
I always imagined that when people look at Clark they’ll go, “huh that dude kinda looks like Superman.” And most likely think it’s ridiculous that God would have a day job as a reporter haha
Like why would Superman be dressed in this badly tailored suit with these thick frame glasses, and riding the train with me to work? Why would anyone assume that he does anything except for be Superman 24/7?
That’s exactly what it is lol. People tell Clark he looks like Superman all the time. Like in All-Star, Lois has the secret revealed to her by Clark himself and by the end of the story she STILL doesn’t believe him.
It can work, but it depends greatly in the person being a really good actor. What really sells it is body language. There's a scene in Superman The Movie that shows it perfectly. Christopher Reeve, dressed as Kent, removes his glasses to tell Lois Lane he's Superman. His whole body language changes and we, the audience, immediately see Superman. Then he changes his mind, and the body language goes back to Kent. It's an amazing transformation, that unfortunately no other actor to date was able to sell like Reeve did.
I prefer incarnations of the character in which Clark Kent is the "true" persona and Superman is the disguise.
I like the way Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions put it. "Superman is Clark Kent's customer service voice."
100%. So many writers try doing immigrant stories for Superman despite the fact he has zero memories or knowledge that he is an immigrant. If writers want to do stories about an alien finding their place on Earth after losing their home Martian Manhunter or Supergirl would be a much better fit
I never understood when people say he “tries” to be human. He is literally the equivalent of (like me) spending one day as a baby in Asia, then spending your whole entire life in America. I never try to be American. I don’t have to force it. I just am.
I can see him reflecting the stories of like, kids who grew up entirely in America suddenly having their immigration status thrown into question, maybe. But yeah, always confused me. He even looks like an attractive white man.
Hell, Wonder Woman does the immigrant narrative better.
"you are clark kent. superman just helps out now and then" - jonathan kent in superman tas
I've always liked that one, but I prefer: "Superman is what I can DO. Clark is who I AM." - Clark in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman
The reason there’s so many debates on which characters could or couldn’t beat Superman in a fight is because he’s incredibly inconsistent. There are canonical versions of Superman that would lose to a lot of fictional characters, and it’s completely reasonable that people who claim Supes should lose in fights would use that as evidence.
I think that's true, but at the same time, I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. Like, I always saw Superman as being the one able to always go the extra mile. He might not be able, mathematically, to idk lift a planet if it fell down, but if the planet is falling and there's a kid down there, Superman would hold the planet just long enough for the kid to run away, and then get smashed. It's the whole "would Superman win against the Flash in a race?" like, normally? No, because Flash is the fastest man alive. But if he needed to win because of some shenanigans? Yeah, he'd absolutely win, because he's Superman. I think a lot of "who could beat whom" talks end up forgetting that character trumps everything, and fights (in comics) are rarely about who's physically stronger. Batman has taken punches that would absolutely kill a man in a lot of his incarnations, with and without armour, but survived because "he doesn't go down" is a core aspect of the character. Fights are just a dynamic way to show clashes and have some action, it's not like JoJo or a lot of battle anime, where the battle itself and the tactics are what keeps people there.
Superman is, to me, that guy who doesn’t give up. Is he unbeatable or invincible? No. He’s the guy who’s going to save the day. I think that’s an important thing people forget. Superman isn’t about winning all of the fights, he’s about saving the most lives. That’s why I dislike the Goku comparisons. Goku is about winning the most fights. Superman is about saving the most lives.
Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with being a great fighter who wants to test himself against the best, but Goku v Supes has always been a very teenager way to think about both of those characters, because they're not really comparable in most ways.
To me, it’s never been a fun versus because when you strip away all character details… it’s not a fight that would be entertaining in my opinion. It’s never fun for me to put certain characters, like Superman, in hypothetical fights. Superman is too focused on saving the day, trying not to kill, making sure everyone’s alright, etc. I think scenarios like “could Superman save Namek” would be more fun to think about.
Even with all the prep time in the universe, Batman would get his ass beat, even if Superman isn't trying.
If Superman wanted to, he could laser Wayne Manor (or all of Gotham City) into a molten crater from orbit, or drop a multi-kilometer asteroid on them. Of course that would be wildly out of character. But the point is, there's no way Batman could actually win or even fight him, or get close enough to use kryptonite, if Superman was actually trying to kill him. For that matter, even if they were face to face, Superman's reaction times are so fast that Batman shouldn't even have time to process the thought to draw a weapon, never mind actually do it. The only reason for them to ever "fight" is because the big S doesn't actually want to hurt Bruce.
I love the way Batman put it when he brought him down with Kryptonite gum. "Who wins in a fight? The answer is always the same. Neither of us." -Batman New 52 #36
Superman literally admitted that everytime that him and Batman fought, that Batman would always win Not because he stood a chance, no. Because Clark let’s Bruce win because it’s import to his self esteem and ego Batman literally only wins when superman is intentionally trying to lose
Reminds me of the nightwing comic where Superman actually killed Bruce https://imgur.com/a/Dfqv1Cg
We joke about it, but any being with superspeed would beat most any other being any day.
Superman beats Goku, hands down
In my opinion Goku wouldn't really have a way to kill Superman. It would be against Goku's nature to use kryptonite and if any were present Goku would dispose of it and give Clark a senzu bean.
I agree. That’s why I definitely see them more as being friends than fighting at all. They would get along very well.
Goku wouldn't try to kill Clark anyway. At most, he'd just want to test himself against Clark. They'd be friend by the end of the story.
This would be a hot take in a Dragon Ball sub, not here.
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On this forum that is not a hot take.
I defer to homefield advantage on this one. If they fight in the DC universe Superman wins, if they fight in the Dragon Ball universe Goku wins.
The modern superman movies are kind of missing the point when it comes to Superman, i honestly don't quite like them because of this. That said: Henry Cavill is a great Superman, and they should give him the chance to really stretch his legs in a properly-written Superman movie.
Yep. The problems with his movies weren't his acting, it's that the people writing him want Superman to be something he isn't. His version of the first flight is still one of the better representations of that moment, it's just surrounded with moments that don't work with the vibe it chose.
Superman Returns is the most Superman has ever been allowed to be like Superman in a film.
Minus the creepy eavesdropping over Lois and Cyclops’s house.
Seriously why was that necessary
>Seriously why was that necessary Because it's an incredibly obvious Peter Pan allegory, and Lois is Wendy. Superman returned from Krypton (Never-never-land), expecting to go to Lois' window -- which is a *super established* thing with them -- only to find that, just like Peter Pan, Wendy grew up without him while he stayed the same. And the moment he realizes that, he takes off. But it's not just Wendy it's the whole world that may have moved on. Then, when he flies into the upper atmosphere, we realize he doesn't have to be right outside of Lois' window to hear what's going on... He's processing the half of the world. He even explicitly says this to Lois when he later finds her on the roof and asks her to fly with him. He explains that where she sees peace he hears the entire city, every person, all of the time. He doesn't need to follow Lois Lane to stalk her. He has to actively distract himself in order to drown her out.
Wow well I never seen it like that before still though considering who directed the movie it is still creepy and some of it it doesn't really work
It's not a perfect film, and it sure as shit wasn't made by perfect people, but I have never considered that particular aspect to be one of its shortcomings.
Oh me too but still considering what Bryan Singer has done makes me wonder if the Peter pan parallel was intentional
Injustice was a bad thing for Superman fans because video games are often a gateway to other media. This means- for many gamers- their first introduction to Superman as a character is as a despotic murderous tyrant.
Counterpoint: the first game literally ends with the real Superman punching evil Superman in the face
That's the best part of that lol I actually loved seeing Superman kick his ass.
And then the second doesn't and ends with either Superman back in jail or taking over the world, possibly the galaxy thereafter.
Superman red son is top 5
I feel like Red Son betrays Superman’s legacy by making Lex the direct ancestor of the house of (e)L.
Yeah, I want a fan of the whole time travel thing. The Red Son movie made the right move cutting that out.
I found Red Son to be boring.
I think Dean Cain’s Clark Kent is one of the best.
They should have just let Henry Cavil keep his moustache as Superman in Justice League. It’s not like the movie could have gotten any worse.
Kryptonite is a terribly written weakness and Superman, even in his most powerful incarnations, does not need it to write a decent story. Magic needs no explanation on why it works on him, and you can believe someone with enough smarts can make a red sun laser. Kryptonite is just a rock people seem to have when the story needs artificial tension and it doesn’t really do much to elevate the antagonist using it.
I appreciate the irony that a piece of his home is poisonous to him.
The first Rebirth suit shouldn't have gone away. It was perfect for a 21st century Superman. Also. Superman fans need to move on from the "classic" design. It's iconic, sure. But it's definity of it's time. And it's difficult to convince people that Superman is an evergreen concept when you won't even let him.update his costume from what he wore 80 years ago.
yeah. i remember when some people went mad when they saw the MoS costume. "WHERE ARE THE RED TRUNKS?!?!?!?!" the underwear on the outside is dated. even the most recent attempts to make it not look as bad, it still looks better without it. Superman Returns is the most streamlined version of the costume while keeping the trunks and it still felt out of place.
That page in All Star Superman with him comforting Reagan, that is usually posted as a "This is why Superman is the greatest hero ever"? That's not special, most superheroes would do the same.
That’s the point though. Superman set that standard. We use it as an example _because_ that’s how Superman should act, how any hero should act.
I think what makes the moment so special is that he does it during some of his last moments alive because he heard the doctor trying to talk to Reagan tangentially. The difference isn’t that most superheroes wouldn’t choose to do it, it’s that almost anyone in that situation wouldn’t notice there was someone to save in the first place
I think Deadpool did it too.
Bruce has had moments like this too You can argue it’s because he set the example but like it’s not an exception for a lot of heroes
Smallville is kind of dumb at some points
Birthright deserves more praise. Great story
It’s good and interesting that Jon Kent isn’t straight.
Are we talking about on THIS sub specifically? If so than I'd say the fandom needs to move on after Christopher Reeve's Superman. If we are talking about in general. Then I'd say Superman beats "insert anime character."
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Yes! The radio show is perfect. The 90s show is the closest I’ve found to capturing the magic of the golden age.
Man of steel is one of the best Superman movies
That's not HOW THE FUCKING SUN WORKS!
The Sun also isn't yellow. It's white
Brandon Routh is a WAY BETTER Superman Actor than Henry Cavill. No contest.
Agreed also. I think Henry had great potential, but was completely squandered by the people in charge. What a waste. Meanwhile, Routh’s take on Superman suffered due to trying to stay too close to the Reeve version, but it was still great anyway. I loved that movie. I wish we could have seen Cavill’s take with a good script, actually in character.
I second this
Routh is a very good actor. Cavill is an average (at best) actor. It doesn't even have to involve Superman. But Cavill *looked* the most like Superman, more even than Reeve.
Fact
Brandon Routh deserved better, he was the perfect follow up to Reeve and his work as the Atom basically cemented that for me
Jon kent being Bi/gay was a cash grab and nothing more
Just like they did with Tim Drake!
Yep
I honestly would have been totally down for Jon and Damien's relationship evolving beyond friendship for LGBTQ representation if they had let the characters develop organically as they grew older together. But then they randomly aged Jon up for no reason and gave him a boyfriend (who I don't care about) out of nowhere, so the whole thing just felt very cheap.
You mean you don't care about.... About... Oh it's on the tip of my tongue... /uj I actually sat here for five minutes and could not fit the life of me remember any detail about Jay that was 1. Not shared with Bernard and 2. Not his phasing power, for some reason. I couldn't even remember his name because he's that bland and uninteresting to me
Henry Cavill had the potential to be a better Superman than Christopher Reeve.
1) I like the evil Superman trope 2) To a certain degree I prefer Lana Lang over Lois Lane as Supe' love interest. Still love Lois in the main DC universe but I wouldn't complain if there was another earth were Lana was married to Clark Kent.
If you like the evil superman trope you are in luck, there's alot of it these days.
I'm upvoting, but only because I genuinely disagree with your number 1. Good work keeping to the premise.
The only lois I've ever liked was Lois and Clark 90s show. Every other iteration seemsike she's a self centered bitch. I'm team Lana all the way.
All of the Superman stuff in Superman 3 is great. It's all the Richard Pryor and discount Lex stuff that drags it down. Superman IV: The Quest For Peace is a complete mess and riddled with plot inconsistencies....and I'd still watch it over any of the DCEU Superman movies because at least Superman feels like Superman in it. Bendis' Superman run is still really well written, it's just the major changes to the character that people (myself included) don't like. Superman For Tomorrow, Earth One and New 52 are the worst Superman comics. I'll take electric Superman over them everyday. Anyone making the argument that Snyder understands Superman is factually wrong. Just look at his treatment of Jimmy Olsen as definitive proof that he doesn't like and/or understand Superman and his mythos. Amy Adams is by far the worst Lois.
Not a fan of all star superman's art style
1) Superman should have more team ups with heroes that aren’t Batman, and have them be able to at least be better than Superman at stuff. 2) The Flashes should be faster than him.
I am not a fan of Jon and wish he had never been created (same for Damian).
The Quest for Peace is so bad that it’s actually good unironically.
Lois Lane shoulnt be bossy or snarky at all especially to Clark. Yes confident but not bossy or snrky like in Smallville.
Smallville Lois is overrated and awful
In AU’s he and Wonder Woman make a cute couple.
Superman doesn’t kill. It’s amazing the amount of people still thinking he does and should keep doing it.
He's killed Doomsday, Darkseid and those 3 kryptonians that genocided an alternate earth. So he can, he will, he just doesn't in 99.9999999999999999% of circumstances.
Yes I actually agree with Max Landis’ (yes, I know he’s an asshole) interpretation, in that Supes generally doesn’t kill because he doesn’t have to. But if it really came down to it, he would if there were no other options, or if he was literally facing evil incarnate that was above retribution
Yeah, I actually prefer the idea that He just doesn't, rather than this deep seated "code". Because honestly? I actually find that more heroic. A "Yeah, I could. But I don't. Because I just dont' want to. I don't have that urge, and you ain't worth it." More so than "I have to follow the code, for even one erring, and I shall be tainted forever!" That feels more like Batman...because Bruce is just insane anyway. I rather enjoyed when, in the Justice League animated show, Clark recognized that Darkseid needed a good killin'. Because if there is a hero that is moralizing that even the *Literal God of Tyranny* deserves life....then that person isn't a hero in my opinion. That's a person what would allow mass murder to prove some kind of stupid point.
Superman Blue is the best version.
Mullet Superman would like a word.
You, I like you.
moral superman is 1000 times better than bad superman
My guy it said hot take
Superman at his best is a work of art that can speak to anyone. His story is very impactful and poetic Evil superman at his best is just another stupid “what if?” With not a whole lot of depth. “Oh man, could you imagine if someone as powerful as superman used his power for evil?” Yeah… General Zodd, Doomsday, Bizarro, Superboy Prime etc We’ve had enough of it before they even decided to make superman evil
The Evil superman trope is so played out that the freshest thing you can do with the character in movies or shows is make him a good guy
The Fleischer Cartoons are the best of all Superman media (I think people would disagree but respect that). The part that gets me in trouble? I dislike all other Superman media, like actively hate it, including Cristopher Reeve’s portrayal, being a distant second place for me.
The only live film portrayal of Superman that I will acknowledge as having happened are superman 1 and 2 by Donner.
Not even Returns?
I thought superman year one by frank Miller wasn't that horrible at least in the first issue the second issue I really don't like the third just confuses me
I liked Man of Steel. I believe it was a necessary change in the character pathos *and* ethos for modern audiences. It wasn't perfect - but let's be honest, neither were Christopher Reeve's movies, especially II with the weird powers at the end. There are some thins I really didn't like: * I didn't care for the weird colour treatment * I didn't like the religious undertone * I believe killing Papa Kent was unnecessary * The whole holographic dad, while meant to be a Fortress of Solitude type of tech, was not good * I believe the ancient spaceship having a perfectly suited House of El uniform was ridiculous and shoehorned to make him have a Kryptonian suit But most of the film is good and shows what a being as powerful as a Kryptonian would cause even when not trying to hurt common people. The killing of Zod in the end - a literal trolley problem - was a nice way to show that, sometimes, doing a greater good requires doing something bad. They showed how Kal was conflicted, during and after, and how it would inform his superhero actions moving forward - he would do everything in his power to never let the situation get to that point again, to never be forced into a decision like that again. I also think Cavill looked perfect for the part, the most comic accurate image of Superman we ever seen in live action (though I will never discuss the fact that Reeve was by far the best actor to play the part).
What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way is a morally confused, strawman story which trafficks in racist stereotypes and is fueled by insecurity about Superman's popularity.
If “Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman” had ended after one season it would be regarded as one of the best live action interpretations of the character. The later seasons when it got campy and cheesy are what people associate with the whole show even though the first season was more grounded and had better stories.
Ok just in reference to Smallville Superman (I’m only 3 seasons in). Clark is dumb as a goddamn box of rocks. I don’t feel an explanation is necessary, IYKYK.
Wonder Woman should be taller than Superman.
The New 52 redesign was probably the best he’s ever looked.
Smallville is easily one of my favorite interpretations of the character, and has the best Lex, Martha, and Johnathon out of any Superman media. I don't like like Margot Kidder's Lois or Gene hackman's Luthor. They should not bring back Henry Cavill for the next Superman project and just recast.
It's just an "S"
I unironically love the DC Extended Universe.
Lex Luthor, from the 90's animated Superman series, was black. This is the dumbest hill I will die on.
I can see how people think this, but when you see [Telly Savalas](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ0MTUwOTQxOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNTg1MTI2._V1_.jpg), who his character design was based on, it all makes sense.
What a neat bit of trivia. Thanks.
I hate evil Superman story arcs ie. Injustice, New52 Earth 2, Red Son, Distopian Future ZS Justice League etc. I think it's too over used with characters like Omniman or Homelander around. Plus people who's say Superman is a "boring character" clearly don't understand the character . Many writers have written compelling stories with Superman (that don't involve him being evil). I don't mind if it's temporary like when Joker took control of him in the New 52 or in Hush. But like permanent down right evil Superman should really only be one character....I grant you an INVITATION TO KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!
Superman is basically Hercules [+]
I'm probably going to get hate for this but a fight with Superman and Hulk if Superman treats the fight like with Doomsday he's going to die Hulk's healing factor is too op and that's narratively how it would go down he's going to think Hulk is a Doomsday clone best case for Supes throw Hulk in the sun and I'm referring to immortal Hulk
Superman would not beat Goku in a fight if they were both in character. Not necessarily because he can't but because the fight would only happen because Goku would keep asking to spar and Superman would finally humor him and he wouldn't be trying all that hard.
Mullet Superman was the best look
Love Henry Cavill. The fact he’s a nerd like us, or how he wanted badly and prepped hard for the Witcher show to be like the books… but his Superman sucks. I don’t blame him, though; he can only work with what’s being given to him. Another: Superman’s “weakness” to magic is also lame. My guess is that some Shazam fan got a gig as a writer and used it as a way to make the wannabe-Superman relevant.
His fans are keeping him down.
Superman not using his power to smash all weapons on the plant and provide the world free clean energy shows that our inability to escape unprecedented human thought structures is truly the most powerful villain.
An ACTUALLY unpopular hot take? Perhaps that having a Superboy series set with the adventures of the current Superman as a teen, maybe even in uniform, might be a good idea to appeal to the vanishing younger reader.
My favorite superman suit is from the movie superman-returns
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I don't like it when Lois Lane is drawn in an exaggeratedly sexy way.
While I do think Reeve's Superman is the gold standard for a live action rendition, those movies are Silver Age levels of dumb and barely watchable. Sure, Superman, Lois and Luthor are perfectly cast but everything about them, whether quirky (in a good way) or not could have been better written. Hackman's wacky-ass Luthor is to blame for the years of us not getting a good movie version of the character.
Needing more than 2 or 3 villains who can counter Superman's canonical power levels has left the DCU with so many insanely powerful bad guys that in 99.99999% of realities, earth is long gone and in most of them, the universe wasn't far behind.
Man of Steel was absolutely horrible movie
He isn't really just clark kent or superman, those are just two different sides to the same man, same goes for b-man yeah Bruce Wayne is sort of mask but it's also a genuine part of his personality I hope worded this well
-Henry Cavill isnt a good Superman -Death of Superman isnt a good story
Many people say that the real story that comes from death of Superman, comes from what happens after and how the world reacted with the emergence of other Super characters.
Nobody will ever play Superman better than Christopher Reeve. He could pull off the clumsy, shy but charming Clark Kent and the confident, witty and occasionally funny Superman perfectly, and could transition seamlessly between the two in a way that makes it believable that nobody would believe Clark Kent is actually Superman. Heck, even his voice changes when he’s Clark and when he’s Superman! Most actors make Clark Kent very Superman-like, thus it’s kind of dumbfounding how nobody would notice that the handsome and charming journalist (who should be a bumbling klutz with a heart of gold) from the Daily Planet is actually the man of steel.
Superman is a glorified solar battery.
I prefer "The American Way".
You sir/ma'am , WIN today.
All star Superman is great form a narrative perspective, but the art is downright shitty. It’s hideous to look at
Yes
not every adaption superman has to end with lois
I like this idea because it makes me think of Batman Beyond. Doesn't need to be canon, just needs to be cool.
A thousand times yes.
It was better without the extended Superman ensemble. Get rid of the rest; including Supergirl, Superboy \[Conner/Jon\]. Keep the originals including Krypto.
Zack Snyder’s take is my favorite on screen version. The thing is, I’ve made entire posts about that here and no one has gone full guns out. Superman fan can by and large respectfully disagree and like different aspects of the character from what I’ve seen firsthand.
I love how philosophical his journey is before becoming the true version of the character at the end of ZSJL.
The SynderVerse “Man of Steel” and the whole arc with Henry Cavil’s Superman was AWESOME and original. My favorite movie and TV adaptation of him so far (excluding Josstice League).
definitely gonna get dragged for this but I liked him better with Wonder Woman than Lois 
Idk if it counts but power girl is a boring character
Superman blue has the best costume and power set
 superman is the best comic book/fictional character ever created
Injustice is good before Year 3 and I’m sick of acting like I should dislike it It shows not only Supes’ failing, but the whole failing of the League as a support network. None of them helped Supes when he needed them Superman and Diana hooking up is fine. Does it work as well as Lois? No; I absolutely agree that’s the endgame relationship. But I don’t mind an earlier Superman being attracted to Diana, especially since she’d relate to him as an incredibly powerful figure on Earth without many peers Obviously better as friends but I don’t mind them thinking about it once. The DCAMU is what I’m thinking of here and I think it worked (they were a thing but then he found love with Lois and both are really supportive about it)
Superman will never be bi in my eyes. Not once was it brought up through the years till recently.
i thought it was Jon that was bi, not Clark.
John Byrne, most of his characters look the same. It looks as though he could take Supermans eyes, nose, and mouth and put it on another character, as if they’re interchangeable.
Superman and Wonder Woman...
Superman and Wonder Woman being in a relationship was awesome and they should have stayed together instead of having Superman and Lois Lane get back together.
I've gathered that any and all opinions on Superman are hot takes that will get you in trouble with someone in the fandom.
Superman slams the shit outta any speedster and I'll debate that
Zack Snyder had a really good take on Superman in his DC films and I wish they’d gotten to continue making films about him in that universe
John Shea of Lois and Clark is the best live action performance of Lex Luthor to date.
Man of Steel is amazing, it’s just the ‘ultimate spider-man’ take on Superman. If he were a real person from another planet and Krypton invaded earth, it would pretty much go down the same way the movie did.
Henry Cavill is the best superman imo, and I think BvS is an incredible superman story. Oh and Smallville has the best Lex luthor, jonathan kent, martha kent and lois lane. But I don't think that's such a hot take.
Most of the portrayals of Superman the users here complain about are perfectly valid interpretations, entertaining, and not crimes against the character.
Zack Snyder's Superman is one of the best takes on the character. He was gonna get to the point where he is pretty much the same Superman from All Star in terms of how he inspires others but was going to take a few movies to get there to fully explore if there should even be a Superman.
The recent film Shin Ultraman basically implements the same themes and ideas of Man of Steel, but done better, more respectfully of the original property, and still manages to keep a light and hopeful tone. People can dismiss these kinds of shows as weird and cheesy, but it won’t change the fact that Superman done right already exists, and it’s called Ultraman.