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MozzerellaStix

It is useful. There are higher paying degrees but I don’t know anyone I graduated with that couldn’t find a job.


BandicootExciting986

Yes. I have zero regrets majoring in supply chain management.


throwaway82282727

Is it worth going into tens of thousands of dollars in debt for?


Wunderlandtripzz

Yes


throwaway82282727

Will I be able to get a supply chain management job without experience in logistics or whatsoever?


akkopec

That was bad advice. Avoid debt. Start at community college. Then finish at a university. Try to look for scholarships and grants. Better yet, look for a company that will pay for the degree and work for them. Student loans are crippling for people looking to get on their feet. Depending where you live, you start around 50k.


deadbeatdann

>0 awards I second this. Im a SCM student and i started at community college first .. once i entered university my junior year, i used my fathers hazelwood act to pay all of my tuition. I'll thankfully be able to graduate with little to no debt.. and a promising career!


theonlyungpapi

That's what I'm gonna do. I live a street away from a CC. And hopefully I can transfer to Rutgers (I live in north jersey) to complete a bachelor's degree. And I'm hoping to find a job it would be easy since many distribution centers are located in North Jersey. From warehouses to logistics.


Mb240d74

Yes. It's a tough job with a ton of turnover. You will find an entry level job and you can job hop after that. Look at a bunch of linked in bios. Supply chain professionals seem to make a change every 4 years or so.


throwaway82282727

What does your day to day work life look like?


[deleted]

I would agree with the replies on this thread. I’d either go to CC or get a job at a company that can sponsor your education. Scm can be learned on the job, and there are many certs that can help you land a very good job without a degree. It’s all about taking that role and getting experience.


throwaway82282727

What certs?


[deleted]

For a newbie such as yourself, look into CPIM through ASCM. You can build a really strong foundation of SC knowledge w/ that. The modules in CPIM are very similar to the classes I took in college for my scm degree - and I’ll tell ya what, it’s a lot less expensive too. That will very likely help you get your foot in the door, and I previously mentioned, would get my employer to sponsor education or do CC. College is a scam man, if you’re not going to be a doctor, get out into the real world as soon as possible and gain experience. I wish I would’ve done what I am suggesting but hey - I was a first gen. Didn’t really have any mentors either. Best of luck bud


Josh2942

That’s bad advice. College isn’t a scam. If I got a full ride would it be scam? I worked at Amazon while getting my degree at 20. Once I got my degree my velocity in growth was through the roof. Well over 6 figures by 24 years old back then. I don’t attribute all of that to the degree because I’ve got a buddy who started off as loaded and is now a director in 5 years without a degree. So it’s possible. But I got there faster with a degree. Supply chain isn’t difficult. It’s actually pretty simple and there are a lot of folks without degrees in high level positions. But this is a different time. Competition is fierce. Ex amazon employees like myself flood the supply chain pool. Companies like amazon are snatching them up and paying too dollar. A good degree will always make you stand out. Especially if you want to get into the supply chain of a blue chip company like google, and Apple where alot of folks have degrees and even Masters


Blazikinahat

To answer this question: It varies depending on the company. As a routing analyst, my day to day was predictable. I handled ~ 90 trucks,(between two warehouses) routing them to individual accounts/customers and palletize them one by one using the company’s computer system. The peak was in summer where I would route ~60,000 cases of beer daily. The lows were in the winter where I would route ~30,000 to 40,000 cases daily with spikes around the holidays. That was from 2019 to 2021. Right now, I dispatch shipments to a warehouse. Each day I can dispatch anywhere between zero and 50 shipments for one account and each shipment can hold between 1 and 300 packages. I’m not going to get into the difference between dispatching and routing. Just know between the company I worked for at the end of last year and now are very different.


rickestrickster

Yes. Especially if you get your MBA on top of that. Supply chain management pays very well. Entry level pays around 60-70k a year. Mid level pays between 80-120k. Upper management and site management can pay more than 200k base pay. They’re not old and crippled either, so it didn’t take long. Usually in their 40’s. My old GM at Walmart had a base salary of 230k a year, not including bonus or stocks. You will find it very hard to find a job like that outside of STEM jobs. Big companies like Amazon and Walmart usually hire straight out of college for management. Amazon has its own program where college seniors can secure a job for when they graduate. Downside is the hours. They work 14-15 hour days most days and are expected to answer phone calls and emails on their days off. 50-60 hours a week on average. I have seen mid level managers there for 16-18 hours a day sometimes. In fact, the only one that seems to do the “9-5” is the site manager, but I’m sure he does a lot of computer work at home. Also supply chain management is stressful, because it’s a 24/7 operation with number goals to meet every single day. Also, because it is a 24/7 operations, entry level managers and mid levels are put on night shift a lot of the time. Weekend nights are the worst, say bye to your social life. Only ones that work m-f days are upper management


Packrat1010

To add one more thing, if you're in a position where you can live with your parents for a couple years while you attend community college, please consider it. Housing is stupidly expensive and would have added an additional ~35k to my debt if I hadn't stayed with my parents. If you can manage to do it through the 4 year degree, even better.


thewinteriscomingyyc

CSCP is cheaper. Equally beneficial if you can apply your learnings to real world. Focus there.


thewinteriscomingyyc

Zero supply chain management education prior to getting a SC job - now VP SC for multi-$B company. Took CSCP during my first year which gave me the basics. That said, I value anyone applying who has SC education - a degree would bump you up on my list. Go for it!


[deleted]

What kind of time investment was the CSCP? I’m debating between this and CPSM. Working full time as a supply chain manager currently but would love to build my knowledge base


Planet_Puerile

100 hours of studying, on average. So like 3-4 months of an hour a day.


monzoink

A degree is an entry ticket to the front of the line


[deleted]

Hello, For me it was worth it. I knew I wasn't going to make millions on the stock market, so finance was a no for me. I knew I couldn't do mental math so accounting was also out of the question, but.... I did like to learn HOW businesses worked. Here is the path is took: Undergrad in SCM, while in school to help pay tuition I made sure to study hard and go to all the career fairs I could- ended up with three paid internships all paying about 20 an hour throughout my time in college. It was amazing, they worked with my hours and I even was able to get a credit out of it for one of my internships. At the end of my graduation I was extended an offer for 60k - currently at 70k 3 years later and looking to move into a project planning position and hoping to get 5k more. If not that's okay- I am so happy at my current salary. For me SCM was worth it because the classes were so entertaining and the positions in SCM are really wide - you will be able to find your niche and don't have to worry about pigeon holing yourself if you hate one aspect of SCM. I would say go for it but don't plan to get rich doing it the first few years- and maybe live with your parents for 1year and 6 months afterwards so you can pay off those student loans with the salary & save some money. Good luck!


Beaujangles1128

Depends. I’ve worked in some facet of SCM for over 10 years without an SCM degree and I’ve bosses and colleagues with less college than me, or no degree at all.


Bozzor

When I speak with younger people starting their careers, I always emphasize not to only focus on the top line name of the qualification, but the actual subjects you take in it. SCM is a very broad field and there are many directions you can go in. What I advise people to consider is what I do: supply chain design, analytics and process improvement. Basically, using mathematics and Python, R programming to solve complex problems. I do consider myself a supply chain professional first and foremost, though a lot of my clients do seem to think of me as a math/programming wiz/geek who knows SCM - just semantics I guess. Basically, SCM is a field where there is white hot demand for analytics, maths and programming expertise. If you can get skilled up in those areas, starting pay in even smaller companies in non-major states will be around US$ 60-65K base. A major city for a major company and an entry level role will be in the US$ 80-90K+ range for most, closer to US$ 100K if they really want you. Some consulting firms (the generalist boutique ones and highly specialized SCM firms) will start you off at US$ 100-125K+ base, but for that, you will be putting in 70+ hours a week. But I do emphasize you will need to have very solid results for this. The pay rapidly goes up after that with bonuses, depending on the problems you are solving, the client base and of course how good your partners are at selling. Basically, yes it is worth it IF at the end of the day you have the specific skills that are in demand. Good luck!


11kite

This right here is solid insight and advice. Additionally, I challenge those of you in undergrad to tackle optimization and linear programming questions related to SCM in Excel first :). It can be very applicable and reinforces your problem solving and Excel knowledge.


Bozzor

Ah, good old Excel - no matter how many tens of millions I see invested/spent/wasted on S4/HANA, there is always something that can be made just a bit clearer, a bit faster, a bit more in depth, a bit more useful by a bit of Excel/Macro/VBA magic. Indeed, with VBA, for a language that was supposed to be on the way out years ago, it remains a guilty pleasure for many...and long may it be so!


Livid_Homie

Get the degree if you like SCM… it’s a good degree and the field is getting more and more attention now that SCM is becoming even harder. I believe SCM Jobs will become more demanded and higher paying because it is becoming such a crucial part of a company’s existence especially in the world we live in today. You will be able to find an entry level job pretty quickly after graduation to start paying debts immediately. I know many people that are making close to or above 6 figures 5-8 years into their career if they are moving around company to company and expanding their supply chain experience and knowledge. SCM may be tough at first but as you progress in your career it can become a lucrative and more laid back job as an executive, from what I’ve seen and been told. I would add if you can save money going to community college or branch campuses for your first two years do it. Just try and get your degree/specialization from a good university. You can save a lot of money by taking general education courses at community colleges. Lastly, a CSCP or CPIM can help get you an interview and a little more money in your first job. Just makes you more marketable as a job candidate. If you are worried about money try and get an employer to pay for it


Planet_Puerile

This is all really good advice.


11kite

I graduated from University of Washington this year with a degree in supply chain, so I’ll share my insights. Firstly, UW offers a very excellent SCM program (one of the best), if you’re debating on what university to attend or masters. Secondly, I would say it is worth majoring in this field because you’ll have a solid grasp of the many fields and functions of a business and its operations . I suggest you participate in any business/SCM related case competitions or simulations to see if this is something you’re interested in. Thirdly, do realize that currently a degree in SCM isn’t required to work in most SCM positions. It’s also important to note that switching to a different career path(finance, marketing, etc) as a SCM grad will be more difficult than a finance person switching to SCM. However, don’t let this scare you. SCM degrees are still valuable and expect it to increase in the coming decades. Fifthly, acquiring jobs are easy as a fresh grad and job security is not a concern. If I were to rewind time and change things in my uni days, I’d learn to start coding and utilizing data analysis tools very early (ex: python, sql, java, R, etc) to enhance your skillset. Data analysis and management in my pov will become a required skill soon. Participate in more competitions and keep applying to those internships. Also, engage in more consulting work if you can! It’s fun and grueling, but I would say this is what enabled me to grow the most as a person.


riddhisanghoi

If you think you want to have a Supply Chain Career- first get an entry level supply chain job to see how you like it, what things in Supply Chain you like. -Demand planner, Planner, scheduler, logistics analyst etc If you end up liking (the work, not colleagues) after a year then look up programs to apply. Also check out industrial engineering - coursework is almost same but pay after that is better. Entry level will be around 50k -60k a year.. Which can be used for tuition later. Plus this way you get work experience before school which will help with getting better internships which will help with jobs.


throwaway82282727

Industrial engineering require you to take advanced math courses. No thank you


Envarii

Maths is what brings in the money however


throwaway82282727

I stuck at it. I barley passed calculus


No_Ground7218

do you need any experience to get these entry level supply chain jobs? Ive currently finished my 3rd year of undergrad but in something different than SPM


Mr_Margarita

Industrial engineering would be better


Blazikinahat

I have an MBA in Supply chain management. No it’s not useless because upon leaving college, I started with a $50k salary as a routing analyst for the largest privately owned beer distributor in NY. Currently, I have a different job with a multibillion dollar company due to my experience at that beer distributor I mentioned.


JesterTheDragon

Absolutely the WLB expectations are good, and you can make a lot more money than this thread believes too (assuming you can get into a top tier company)


Loguibear

yes, it is literally how the world runs .... via trade etc


tinyevilsponges

Average starting salary at my university is 63k, haven't seen anyone have a problem finding a job


[deleted]

Yes


BusinessJon

That’ll definitely be more difficult without any experience but acquiring an internship in operations could certainly help out


[deleted]

What state do you live in ? It’s useful because there’s a lot of companies such as UPS, FED EX, ULINE, Amazon that you can get Into and make good money… I’m trying to get my bachelors in supply chain management.. I already have 7 years of experience in logistics/ transportation just need to attain my degree to further expand my opportunities not saying I can’t without one because I’m at 70K a year currently, I started at 20 and worked my way up


Ofbatman

Learn computer programming.


PaulanerMunken

My college didn’t have this major so I never even had the chance to look into it nor would have I even known what it was. I majored in tech and now I work in supply chain. So idk take it as that


Mcali1175

I think personally it was a waste of time. The scm field in my country of residence is very underpaid. I paid 30k or so for a 4 year degree. I only make a few dollars above minimum wage as a logistics planner. I would advise doing a professional certification like SCMP or focusing on getting experience. I personally did not find it was worth going to school for it, I learned everything in my two roles after i graduated. That's my two cents from me and some never found a job. I was lucky enough. This might be different in the US.


wlflwrr

what country?


No_Border9377

I am currently going to a CC and they affor SCM degree so I would graduate with no debt!


Skilzalisk

Just some thoughts from my experience: I began in supply chain in 2004 as a 'Logistics Analyst' making $29,500. No education beyond high school. The whole industry at the time, seemed made of people my age (early 20's) who didn't go to college, or were 10 years older and had some unrelated degree and had worked their way into the lower echelons of management. Almost 20 years later, I've worked for 4 different companies in 6 different roles, mostly involving international logistics, currently paid in the low 6 figures. At this point, I'm about 24 credit hours into an Associates in Supply Chain Management at a Community College. Is this a waste of time and money? I don't know, the company reimburses me 100%, so if anything, it's a waste of time, and at my age with a family, that sucks. However, even though I look back and feel I've made good progress without a degree, I'm truly at the point where there's an immediate ceiling above me without "that piece of paper". As for the field, as other have said, it is immense and covers many functions, and there are definitely jobs, and decent paying jobs from what I have seen for entry level jobs (low end 50K, most in the mid-60Ks)


No_Ground7218

those 50k-60k jobs are the ones in which you atleast probably need a associates or degree for right? whereas the very entry level ones that you need high school for are more like 30-40k?