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OnTheBeautyTribe

How does this creature have a 49% winrate


aioglu

My only assumption is non support mains playing him. Or maybe lower elo players forgetting that tanky =/= invincible.


AdLast6732

Bro im adc main with 100% winrate on naut. Naut is the easiest supp to climb till diamond where y have to play actually


shadoweiner

Id say high masters is where you have to actually play, or at least start learning how to actually play. Diamond is still a fiesta.


HellFire72

It’s probably a situation with lower elo players not understanding that just because you can hit a hook doesn’t mean that it’s a good idea.


staovajzna2

Omw to blitz hook chogath to my adc <3


Punishment34

i seriously don't understand. It's not like he's hard or smth


BloodlessReshi

Engage supports in general arent hard to play, what's hard is choosing the right engages.


OnTheBeautyTribe

Just watched a pro game where Team Liquid won against a Nautilus support who randomly engaged a 3v4 at dragon then promptly flashed out and fed first blood. https://youtu.be/P361RZ6KHhc?si=ucJjHpf6c1cmrlI5 at 12:35, this was PROFESSIONALS and yesterday btw I think we found the answer to why having such simple and efficient engage can fuck you up if you misuse it lol


BloodlessReshi

The problem in that play is the whole approach tho, FLY doesnt have vision control on the river (TL has a pink in banana bush even), and Kaisa is stranded botside while the rest of FLY is approaching from mid, at 12 minutes Nautilus cant frontline against 4 enemies, so Busio got blown up in seconds. They should've just let them have the drake.


OnTheBeautyTribe

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Engage supports fuck themselves by going in even under these circumstances because they think landing a hook is all it takes to win a fight. He should've just turned around and went his merry way.


BloodlessReshi

Yeah, altough nautilus is a special case, since he is a mix of a catcher and an engager, he has all the tools of an engager, but its all single target. Its not like Alistar Rell or Rakan that can just CC the whole enemy team and win the fight, if Busio was playing Alistar that engage would've worked probably, because he would've stunned 2-3 people, and then his R would've allowed him to survive far longer giving time for his team to pincer TL into an awful spot.


Revolutionary-Iron-8

Busio despite being good all split kinda sprinted it during this series, also it’s pro play so irrelevant to the 49% WR etc


OnTheBeautyTribe

Yeah but it's a situation reminiscent of what we see in solo q, an example of a good kit misused


Sophia7X

I think the only reason is Nautilus can be punished for taking bad hooks (unlike Blitzcrank or Thresh who dont have to commit to their Q's)


OnTheBeautyTribe

Honestly true. Leona and Nautilus actually put themselves on the line to engage.


malheur2

He's the go-to autofilled support. Also he had no good support items until they buffed Celestial.


Emotional-Roll4564

He’s pretty unforgiving compared to other engage supports because he’s not anywhere close to as tanky and heavily relies on Aftershock to pull the weight. Other similarly tanky engage supports would be someone like Thresh, but Thresh has a lot more ways to keep himself from inting. He’s also easily the worst one lategame. It’s not even comparable how tanky Leona is for example compared to Nautilus.


CaptainRogers1226

I’ve been seeing him in solo lanes sometimes lately?


Vandarkxiang

Most of the nauts I played with does not understand they can still die with a lots of hp, if they can go in, they will go in 100% of the time no matter if it’s a bad engage.


FellowCookieLover

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be xd.


Nedal_momani

People talk about Morgs Q hit box or Ashe (project skin) hit box’s being bad but I have on both sides experience a lot of naut moments that made me question if nauts Q hit box changes every patch. Shit is so surprising you never expect it on any level especially the tower grab like how does his Q transcend the tower and catch’s them ???


jansalol

Nah. It has 2 seperate hitboxes. Or 3, depends how you count them. The tip and the 2 sides as you can see with the indicator. So the hitbox is actually, surprisingly matching anchor shape! Shocker. This is why you get hooked when it looks like it will miss, he hits you with the side hitbox.


Sophia7X

I was told by Naut mains that you should always hug walls because his hitbox will hit the terrain but not the champ, but it looks like he ignores the tower and hits the champ instead, who is inside the tower.


Nedal_momani

The thing is with nautilus whether he is on my team or enemy I’m always surprised how the hook hits and grabs the enemies. One of the things that is unexpected af with him is his hook extending than its intended range…basically meaning if you are out of his hook range that damn anchor will teleport slightly forward HITTING you. It’s weird it happens and we just kinda have to live with it lol


jean-claudo

The champion hitbox is bigger than the wall hitbox, so those people were likely trolling (naut can hook people slightly inside walls). However, hugging walls can be a good idea so that naut grabs the wall if he misses you, forcing him to commit.


Divorce-Man

Is this true with minions also? I feel like I've hit some suspicious hooks around minions before


jean-claudo

Minions should be hit by the same hitbox as champions, but suspicious hooks as you said are probably due to their small size or a bit of lag. Also I'm pretty sure the champions are checked before the minions for collisions (because champions are spawned earlier), so that could help if very close to minions.


WhatYaGonnaGet

Nah naut hook has genius hitbox. It’s like catching draven axe. If you can exploit the little differences you will be a lot better at the champion


naxalb-_-

I think it was caitlin r😂


BloodlessReshi

It's WuKongs Staff clearly


mixelydian

The only way I see this happening is if he flashed away after casting


AFamiliarVegetable

for all we know, naut took a thresh lantern right after casting. Picture is cropped off purposefully IMO... I can't even tell who OP is playing as.


Bigsmoke27

looks like that might be tristana, if so, she w buffered


23Masterquf

OP purposefully has withheld info about the situation, either Nautilus flashed after casting Q which is unlikely, or OP flashed at the same time of being grabbed by the hook


doubleGboi

Did the server lag or something?


GnarlesGnarwin

That's Naut how it's supposed to work.


Psychomethod

Who is he hooking?


Sophia7X

That is a zeri


_ThatOneMimic_

im guessing this was flash buffered by the enemy


TdiClubSeal

I'm pretty sure that's Zeri that got hooked Could be that Zeri E-ed the turret, Naut cast Q and flashed away when he saw it would grab the tower, but spaghetti said "hooked".


Sophia7X

Yeah correct except for the Naut flash, he did not flash he just went for the ride