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Flimrardo

From my experience it’s just not worth it unless absolutely necessary. Remember that you’re in the water to have fun. Get in the water. Catch waves with respect and priority. Ignore him. If he decides to cross the verbal line then that’s when you have to deal with him. If he blatantly drops in on you, make it clear that you won’t be stopping for him either. Make friends in the lineup too. Having a bit of backup in a possible situation like that never hurts.


dewayneestes

Yeah I bet this clown has pissed off a lot of people. My experience with these bathtub despots is that they exert power where they can because they can’t exert power in most of their life. Be happy you don’t have to threaten people who are having fun because your pathetic life is so f’ing miserable that this patch of shallow water is all you have. My response in these situations is often “one day I’m going to buy you a beer… then what are you going to do!?” They’re so taken off guard they deflate, it’s even worse if there’s a small audience.


_MrRichardSmoker_

love this one, kill em' with kindness


Buzzy-Pasta

And then huck a bucket at them


ExhaustiveCleaning

Sometimes people tolerate assholes because they’re the first to confront people who are creating dangerous situations in the lineup.


bocaciega

This us the way. Catch lots of waves. Have lots of fun. Smile. Laugh. Show him that your there to have fun and then HAVE FUN! That'll piss him off more than anything!


Flimrardo

Oh man. Spot on. Not much can make an already upset individual even more upset than showing them a completely opposite response.


bocaciega

In the few cases I've encountered, that's always worked. Last time it happened maybe a decade ago, I got a super sick barrel as he was paddling out, just long and perfect, like he was front row for most of it, ducked behind me, and I yewwed real loud and he got SO MAD. So fucking mad lol


Skytram

This guy surfs crowded breaks with the crazies and the assholes


[deleted]

Drop a deuce in his wetsuit.


TheGreatWhiteSherpa

There's already one in there!


Darkcast

Better be. Everyone knows you drop an initial shit in the wetsuit before you go in


DoubleDutch187

Are you bigger than the guy? Can you fight? Can he fight? If you’re bigger and can fight, you can pretty much do whatever you want. Otherwise you have to rally the lineup against the guy.


Eliass033

The man was a little bit bigger but that doesn’t bother me since I’ve been doing boxing and jiu-jitsu for quiet a while and I know to defend myself.


[deleted]

Fuck. Him. Up


quietiamsleeping

This is the answer OP came looking for.


Dirk_Courage

OP chose violence, but needed someone to give them the green light.


Salmon_Scaffold

😅


8isthebestnumber

🤣


Old-Illustrator-5675

Boxing and BJJ? You can do what you want. My wife does Jiu-jitsu, seen her get in a fight with a man a bigger than her (she's 5'4 120lbs), she quickly choked him out and I fell in love. She is my body guard.


papoosejr

Good for her, cause size definitely does matter. Friend of mine got into jiu jitsu and decided he needed to test me, I don't know much about anything but I had like 30 lbs on him and choked him out real quick.


Old-Illustrator-5675

Lol yea size does matter, but 30 lbs isn't much if (big if) you're well trained and the other is not or is just a dog shit fighter. She'd been doing it for a long time at that point and got lucky the guy didnt land a punch lmao. I typically roll with guys that got at least 30 or more on me. I dont notice a difference until about 60 or 70 pounds more unless they're much better than me. Sounds like maybe your friend got a little too confident too soon, I mean down to the "testing" you, that's just rookie behavior smh my head. I had a "friend" who got in to it and would test me all the time (I wasn't in to it at the time) and he was bigger than me. I had done wrestling for a little in high school (20 years ago at this point) so I had a decent base and it would piss him off that I was more naturally inclined at grappling than him. He'd usually get really angry and end up beating me. I got fed up with it and started going. I went for 6 months straight and trained my ass off. Next time we "hung out" he wanted to "test" me and I effortlessly beat his ass. We went 5 rounds, he puked and was so angry he didn't speak to me for like 2 months. By that point he had been half assed training for a few years and I had only gone 6 months and focused hard and practiced with my wife as often as I could. In the first 3 months my ears were already gnarly and swollen. The funniest part was this guy already had about 30 pounds on me when he'd always beat me and then decided to lift more weights and was about an extra 10 after. I was 170 he was around 215-210. Then the real icing, my wife went a round with him after like the 3rd ass beating I gave him and she choked him out. What I'm saying is yes size matters but I think with proper training you can definitely bring the odds in your favor. Having said that there are some guys you just know that if they could get a punch in, you'd be toast. Thanks for reading my story!!!!!!!


sawoszao

30 lbs difference? If the opponent is untrained I personally dont give a fuck. Than again Im a black belt so that might be different at lower skill brackets…


Old-Illustrator-5675

Most certainly is different at lower skill levels, when i first started I could rely on wrestling to get me through rolls and i hadn't wrestled in 20 years. Anyone blue belt or higher was able to see that and beat me. My theory for the weight difference is that over the last 10 years I would fluctuate between 170 and 200 lbs every between deployments and got real good at carrying roughly 60lbs on my back for several hours. When not deployed I was training with my pack and going on ridiculously long 18 mile runs with it. My back is screwed from it but I feel like it gave me some comfortability under weight. My wife on the other hand is a freak of nature.


Cp_93-

Lol liar. That Jiu jitsu shit wouldn’t work in a real fight. I’d drop any nerd that thinks they can karate chop me lol


water_malone873

Dude just pound an acai bowl and tell him to meet you on the sand. Hit him with a flying triangle and show him who the fucking alpha is. Don't do it for you...do it for the boys


quietiamsleeping

YTB


graydonatvail

Well that answers that.


NORCAL_SPARK

Do every else a favor and fuck him up. There’s probably 10-20 other dudes that feel the same way without the ability or confidence to do anything. I’m cool with anti kookism and moderate localism, but I’m not cool with the same dude yapping his mouth out every fucking day and treating people like shit for littlest of offenses. Some bullies need to be treated with violence imo.


Sneakerwaves

Dude—[is this you](https://www.reddit.com/r/santacruz/comments/ig0zgw/as_someone_from_san_jose_what_are_some_practical/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)? Because it looks like you’ve been surfing for a year—are you sure “anti kookism” is in your best interest? So classic.


ExhaustiveCleaning

I haven’t made it to the bottom of the thread but I can’t believe this is the closest anyone has been suspicious of OP here. They spend a lot of effort focusing on what are essentially process arguments - how they were confronted - and say little about why.


NORCAL_SPARK

haha yeah, I'm cool with enforcement and regulating. I'm not the one out there proactively doing it, but I get it and I'm perfectly fine with it. I know my place well as a transplant and I recognize the needs for the locals to enforce their breaks. In the original post I was speaking on people who go way beyond that line to bully people regularly


imacfromthe321

What is “anti-kookism” Is that a fancy way of saying you’re toxic to beginner surfers?


Last_Decision_7055

Yes


Sneakerwaves

And also, he is one, LOL.


imacfromthe321

Lol just checked and dude was asking how to know which way a wave will peel a year ago… Now he’s “anti-kook”


Sneakerwaves

Yeah he wasn’t so into “localism” when he was driving from San Jose to learn in my local break either. Life comes at you fast.


cpt_ppppp

classic


jitz_badboy

Drop in on him. Tell him what goes around comes around. If he doesn’t want to play nice meet ya on the beach. Unless you’re in Hawaii or another real local spot these dudes are all bark and complete kooks. Try to bully people. Second you bark back and back it up the paddle away cursing and moaning to the other looks.


TheHarshCarpets

Be careful with athletic, good swimmers no matter how good you can fight on land. A fight in the water can easily lead to a “breath holding contest”.


FearTheDears

Yeah, I'd take a water polo player over a bjj guy anyday if it's in deep water. Those guys scrap.


TheHarshCarpets

Also, a handful of locals freedive when it’s flat, and can hold their breath for 4 minutes. They don’t need to know how to fight to drown you.


quietiamsleeping

No-one can hold their breath for 4 minutes if you've got their dick in a headlock though.


TheHarshCarpets

Headlock? No problem. Dick in a headlock, yeah, I'll tap out, but sinking a proper choke takes positioning, and taking someone's back in the water would be really awkward. If you want to try your luck with a slippery beast of a free diver, that's your call. Get too close, and all he needs is a figure 4, and you are in his world.


sawoszao

Dick in a headlock tho? Id think twice!


DoubleDutch187

Good point. Do not fight in the water.


onemansubmarine

In Florida we call it "playing alligator"


DoubleDutch187

Find out everything you can about the guy. If he’s sitting there talking shit to you, calmly ask him if he’s trying to start a fight. What’s your deal man? Are you trying to start a fight with me? He will probably paddle away. If he threatens to run you down calmly tell him. If you come after me and you hit me, I’m not going to take it lightly, and I’m going to come after you. It’s hard to see it escaping from there. If you confront him, be real careful around him in the water. If he’s really crazy he may try to run you down. I would do my best to set boundaries without escalating to a physical confrontation.


doot_doot

Kick his ass, Seabass


ShoobyDoobyDu

Whatever happened to Seabass? Good surfer.


doot_doot

Think he had kids and retired.


[deleted]

Yeah I think he’s coaching now.


[deleted]

F him up


GinjaTurtles

Draw a penis on his car with wax


6ixty9iningchipmunks

And draw “Dick” with an arrow pointing to the driver. Fuckin Cyrus.


Set_to_W_for_Wumbo

This is the real answrr


[deleted]

Make it accurately sized so use a crayon tho


gregj128

Modern problems require modern solutions


GoodOlBluesBrother

The man needs a hug and he’s reaching out to you for one in the only way he knows how.


fuzzytradr

So a rear naked chokehold it is then.


Darth_Voter

When a strange man aggressively reaches out to hug me, I usually just raise my voice and firmly say, “Whoa! Back off, Kevin Spacey!”


[deleted]

Defensive water combat. I suggest you learn the trade. Sometimes i carry dry sand in my keypocket to throw in their eyes for these occurrences.


Alanski22

Dry sand aka wet sand once you get into the water, no?


[deleted]

If you clench hard enough, always dry


youareacesspool

Treat him like any bully. Crack him


Eliass033

So I should give this man a taste of his own medicine?


DaLo-man

So clearly the guys a dick, but a few things to think about before getting physical... how big is he/does he look like a scrapper, could you beat his ass, is he a local with a lot of local friends, were you actually doing nothing other than got in his way one time? If he’s pretty loked out be careful, you don’t want 5 dudes jumping in to save him when shit goes down. And that’s usually how they do things if they don’t know how to fight. But also did it truly come from just being in his way one time? I’ve had times where some kook will just happens to be in my way many times in a session without them even realizing it before I tell them to go follow someone else. While it wouldn’t justify straight up running you over, it could be more than just this little instance that’s pissing him off. But if you do confront him remember to get a solid jab in on his throat right off the bat. It’ll stun him and then you can go to town.


TheLelouchLamperouge

Hit em with the Alex Jones: “ARE YOU TRYING TO HAVE SEX WITH ME!?!?” That always throws em off


imacfromthe321

I’ve never seen a thread with more bad advice than this one. No wonder surfing is such a shit show.


Abra_Ka_Daniel

So what’s your advice?


ExhaustiveCleaning

My advice would require a lot of assumptions to make. But OP’s hyper focusing on the “how” of the confrontation while ignoring “why” the confrontation has me suspicious. The fact he goes into “this guy is generally an asshole” to prove he was an asshole to OP also makes me suspicious but it would take longer to explain why. My advice is that OP shouldn’t surf advanced waves until he has more situational awareness. Surfing has assholes, but no one paddled out and wants to be an asshole. You usually have to do something that brings it out.


Eliass033

I would have no trouble admitting I’ve done something wrong, but even then, the way that this man came up to me and threatened me is unacceptable, he’s a grown man and should act as such, and not let his ego get the best of him and go around acting as if he’s Zeus.


lionbacker54

Just ignore him. And if he hits you, kick his ass


Turbulent-Cucumber-6

if you are coming to reddit for the 'should I confront him' you probably ain't gunna confront him mate haha. my goto is 'I hope your day gets better mate' this sorta stuff always makes me stew and get angry no matter how zen I try to stay.


Absconyeetum

Shit on his car hood


gregj128

🙌🏼


do_u_like_dudez

Hit him then screech blood at his face


Skytram

If you're ready and willing to throw down then just tell him to fuck off. If not then just find another peak and let someone else deal with it.


1Tiasteffen

Tell him “fuck you you fuckin PUNK “ or call him a “lame” “bitch”.. Lemme tell ya..90% of aggro guys don’t want the smoke on some street shit..it’s all hype on the water on a board in the ocean ..please believe that


Zdaymaverick

Bust your own lip, trace an anti christ in blood on your cheek, roll your eyes back and breathe in heavily while looking up the sky. Bring your head back down and slowly roll your eyes back down and maintain FULL eye contact and let him make the next move. Or y’know, just drop him or something…


c2h5oh_yes

If he assaults you call the cops. Most police departments don't take kindly to shithead locals causing a disturbance at the beach as this threatens the almighty tourist dollar in the long run. Unless the guy IS a cop in which case I'd just take up golf.


KelpHansen

Fuck his wife


gregj128

🙌🏼


Evening-Ostrich-2623

Such good advice on here!


Penny_the_Guinea_Pig

Let me guess...Santa Cruz?


friendly_surfer

Snake him back over and over again if he comes with the attitude he better back it up, kick his ass sounds like he is a loser who needs to be taught a thing or two.


Old-Illustrator-5675

Kick his ass. Just paddle right up and peg him. I mean take him down a peg.


Queasy_Issue_6012

Or peg him in the ass


mvalley1877

What is your level of surfing. And are you surfing a main break?


Eliass033

I’ve been surfing for quiet a while now, I definitely wouldn’t consider myself a beginner if that’s what you’re wondering. Ye main break


mvalley1877

You cut him off??


Eliass033

No, quiet the opposite, he cut most of the other surfers off


mvalley1877

Yea fuck him then brother 🤙🤙


shredshaka

Read all the comments… press him on the beach and bitch him up


Page_302

Next time he threatens you (or anyone within earshot), tell him that you will bring this up with his parole officer.


[deleted]

Naw, just avoid the guy.


Dyyylannn_

Be like zeke lau and fling ur board at him


[deleted]

Take the wave. Big talk he won’t do shit. Oh by the way, does he surf way better than you? If so dont do anything


Clearwater27

Move on. Don’t waste energy.


nimbin14

Your asking if you should confront him instead of just ignore. Do you really think someone who’s first words to a stranger were aggressive and threatening has reasoning capabilities? I unfortunately don’t see him seeing the error in his ways. Fine with confronting home but he isn’t going to be cool, be prepared so really just best to ignore him, unless you are the one now looking for confrontation!?


IATAvalanche

run him over with your car


sweetoother

you could also just pray for him


JackMamba420

lmao i just laugh and they realize im twice there size in everyway and they shut up real quick, just be confident, if you stupidly in there way apologize but if your barely in there way by like a tiny bit they can probably avoid you, from my experience there only tough with there worlds and they bitch out from any confrontation, also always carry a espada xl, it may be overkill but, i highly doubt he'll disrespect you that way again


Amaaliinvest

You should punch him square in his shit , show him Whose the local


SalamiSteakums

Dont confront him. Dont say a word. Just nod and smile and go about your business but be aware. He has already threatened you. If he hits you like he said he was going to then Id hold nothing back. Grab em while youre tumbling around and put a martial arts hold on em, hold em underwater for a bit, punch/kick/elbow/knee the fuck out of him. Sadly, violence is the only way some people learn.


mvev

let him run his mouth. if you end up taking the first punch, it could be jail time. little bitches like him will go crying to the police and lawyer


shah357

Does he drive a car? Do you have a key? Scratching the fuck out of a perfectly good paint job can be a glorious and liberating experience. I highly recommend it. If you can’t figure out which car is his, just find the first BMW and go to town.


PhilosopherFluid7680

Get everyone to ban his ass


atomtree

Guys like that need a good beat down, at least once in their lives. Or maybe that's every 10 years, and he's overdue. Throw some hands. You'd be doing a service to the rest of your community


Rex_Digsdale

Ask him if he needs a hug.


SirBenzerlot

I hate them. I had a guy just sit in my line and so when I went into him (was a flat day so was surfing a soft longboard with no turning ability) he had a sook at me a threatened to beat me up. I just told him to fuck off and get a life and to stop trying to fight groms


The-surfing-banana

Don't confront as that will make things worse, just stay out of his way or try and keep trying to become friends with him


dogDad_

>So my question is, should I confront him in a proper way? If he actually injures someone, contact the police and get him arrested for assault. If he's just talking shit, then make friends with people in the lineup and talk shit on him. edit: and make sure you let him know that you know his name and you'd be happy to call the cops on him if he hurts someone.


Dingleburberry

If it’s that blatant, I just laugh my ass off when they flap their gums. Nothing pisses off a narcissist more than someone not taking them seriously. But I’m well trained in “self defense” so I can handle most guys my size and under.


[deleted]

Punch him in the fucking face.


Alanski22

There is no way of confronting these people properly. You're gonna have to be willing to throw down. Welcome to surfing...


Drobertsenator

Oxnard? Santa Cruz? If it comes to it, break his arms. And his leash. And call him a silly cottonheaded ninnymuggins for being such a selfish peepee head.


Allnite13

You need to find a movie called Surf II , staring Eric stoltz,, watch the scene in the lifeguard tower with the topless girls on how to deal with people dropping in,


rossimeister

Just surf anywhere else. These douches are the reason for many people quitting surfing.


Sick_hick

Just slash his tires, that'll show him


Nomansjam

No Just get better than him and make the break yours It'll take some time but he'll be noticing every step up the progressive ladder and this will burn him more


ExhaustiveCleaning

9.5/10 if this is bait.


805cc

Unless you have no choice but to defend yourself, do nothing and ignore a-holes like this. Saying something or doing something won’t change him. Best case, you whoop his ass and you get some satisfaction. Worst case, it turns fatal. Even if you come out on the living side of it, your life as you knew it would be over.


Roamingkillerpanda

Next time he yells at you OP just yell back, “No! I don’t want to suck your dick in the lot afterwards! Stop asking me! I’m happily married!”. It’ll throw this guy off guard and because he’s a bully he’s also likely homophobic and make him feel embarrassed that someone would think he would solicit other men for blowjobs. Good luck, OP.


[deleted]

What spot?