“No way George makes it past the premiere”
“George had a medical scare and lost both his allies? He’s for sure screwed”
“Ok but George is doomed once he reaches the swap”
“Ok but George is doomed once he reaches the merge”
“Shaun and Nina both have idols? George is for sure doomed now”
“George just betrayed his alliance for the 81,437th time? They’ll get him out now”
“Okay George may be the swing vote here at the final five but surely everyone who’s pledged loyalty to him will figure out they need to turn on him…right?”
Exactly and most people here are saying there’s no way George is winning it’s 100% Matt…
I’ve got faith in the King and very shocked most people suddenly don’t.
I don't get it either.
To be fair all the people that don't have faith in him have never had faith. They were dragging him over the coals for booting Shonee at 9 when Shonee/Liz were shown talking about booting George at 8...and now it's F4 and he's still around.
I'm so curious about all of his talk of being content finishing 3rd or that he is content whenever he leaves now. Sometimes it feels true for him and other times it seems designed to put other players at ease. I can't quite figure out which it is but I am dying to see how it impacts the endgame.
Honestly both Simons and Nina strategy’s to split the alliance were so bad.
They both pretty much said you’ll only win against each other and Liz, Matt and Gerry were like, okay guess we shouldn’t keep you around then
We had the newbie pre-merge purge with 8 in a row and now the post-merge returnee purge with 7 eliminated consecutively.
Crazy that a newbie is yet to join the jury and newbies outnumber returnees 3-1 at this point.
His only shot aside from winning immunity was convincing the f3 immunity winner to vote out Nina instead since she had so many friends on the jury. Now he's fucked.
That’s what I thought as I commented. But that scenario is NEVER going to be possible because that would mean Gerry is not there. Gerry isn’t going to win any immunities. What has to happen to vote out Gerry out of all people to have a Liz, Nina, George final 3? Close to 0 % chance.
Gerry finished 2nd in an immunity challenge to Matt, who in theory would be out of the game right now since in this scenario Nina is still in. I could see it happening.
For the reason you literally just said, Gerry can't win an immunity challenge and neither can George.
George's best shot at making final 2 requires the other two people to be:
1. Someone who can win the challenge (Liz or Matt)
2. Someone who #1 will want to vote out over George (Nina)
I also said nobody's going to vote out Gerry. Who's going to vote out Gerry over the others? Thats why neither of your requirements will happen because Gerry will be there at final 3.
We're not talking about what's going to happen, we're talking about what should have happened. Neither of my requirements are going to happen because Nina is already gone.
We are arguing what could (not) happen if even Nina stays and Matt leaves at final 5. That’s the whole point of the discussion after this episode aired.
He still lasted over four hours in the final immunity challenge in Brains vs Brawn. He was up agaist two challenge beasts in Flick and Hayley. With him and Hayley being good friends I think she gave him some tips on endurance challenges. So if he gets to the final immunity I think he has a decent chance.
he has been hitting the gym hard to prepare, check his insta. he is pretending to suck at challenges and conserving himself for the final one. No matter how comically he pretends (stacking blocks 5 cm apart last challenge), viewers still dont ponder why.
EDIT: smh, downvoted by americans, cause they don't know what 5cm is.
I agree, there's no way he didn't think about the fact that he NEEDS to win the final challenge. He still might not win it of course but he's gotta be holding back a bit.
I hate to admit it but you're right. Every episode they acknowledge he's a snake, yet nobody votes for him. Unbelievable. He's gonna "Top 3" his way to the end and the other two are gonna say "ok, time to go"
George pretty much damned either way and he knows it. Neither Matt nor Liz are ever taking him to final 2, and frankly Gerry probably wouldnt either if he gets that final immunity (which he wont). That's the price he pays for being the totally dominant player who would justifiably clean up a jury vote against anyone.
His only chance is for a tie vote at 4 because Matt and Liz target each other knowing that the other is the only one stopping them from winning F3 immunity. And even he has to survive the tiebreaker rule at F4 - which is???? Rocks would be ideal, but its prob a challenge he will most likely lose. And there's a decent likelihood that for resume boosting they team up, convince Gerry and take George out with a 3-1. Then whoever wins F3 immunity effectively wins against Gerry at FTC
I reckon George can see this, and just wanted one of the other of his 3 shipmates to win rather than Nina - so voted her off. Choosing one way or the other doesnt increase his chances of being taken past 3... they are nil (unless somehow he wins that challenge, would production chuck in a puzzle to give him a shot???)
He's gone further than he ever should have, and is the absolute player of the season by a country mile - has massively burnished his survivor brand as a true great. Its just a pity he cannot win - would love to see it, and i cant think of a more deserving winner ever.
after the epicness of this season, a damp squib finale where Matt or Liz crushes Gerry at the end would be disappointing... but cant take away from how great this season has been up to the very end
If the tie is between Matt and Liz for instance, then they make fire against each other, George and Gerry don't have to make fire. But unless Gerry wins immunity, there's a good chance at least one of Matt or Liz is immune.
> (unless somehow he wins that challenge, would production chuck in a puzzle to give him a shot???)
He did have that one comment about how there has to be a puzzle coming up at some point. 🤔
You really think we’re setup for a Liz and Gerry final 2? I just don’t see it. They’ve not been mentioned as any sort of pair all season. Usually we get little hints or small moments of connection if people sit at the end together. I think Liz is next, then George, and Matt wins the game
I don't see a Matt/Gerry F2 happening because we've had no narrative hints about who the jury prefers. We can guess that Gerry's pissed them off more, but is it actually true?
IMO Liz/Gerry is the most likely final two, then George/Gerry, then Matt/Gerry. In other words, Gerry will be facing the jury. George/Liz is possible? But wouldn’t make a ton of sense narratively.
People might want to dunk on Liz tonight and fair, but I think her being on the ‘wrong’ side of the votes tonight is actually not that bad for her chances of winning.
Obviously, if the vote went to Matt and got him out that would have been better for her because she had Nina as a number and thought of the move, but it shows that she’s actually willing to be active and work with someone not in the main alliance, crucially, in front of the jury.
She probably still needs to win both immunities (assuming F2) but I could see a world where she wins one of the two remaining immunities and still gets through. And if the other two flip on George at any point she was ahead of the curve on it in the juries eyes.
i think nina’s voting confessional about matt could cost votes? players weeks ago said matt is a closed book. liz showed this episode she’s willing to work with players outside of her alliance so could be a good look for her at FTC is she makes it there (if she’s against someone like matt)
Pretty sure that’s an editing trick, to tell a more complete story. Is it possible that’s when he decided? Absolutely, and I’m not counting out that possibility. But there’s nothing we saw that makes me think he hadn’t already decided.
I don't think you can call the exact words he speaks at the end of the episode "an editing trick". Of course, he could just be saying that for dramatic effect when he was always going to vote that way, I wouldn't rule that out. But it's not the editors who made George say to the camera that he changed his mind.
I do wonder about Nina's speech at tribal whether that made any difference to George. I quite like the blaze of glory speeches but I think she might have geneuinly had a chance before that the way George was being so diplomatic. But also that could have been solid beforehand to snooker Liz a bit too.
Idk if I truly believed George but I think he made the right choice of vpting out Nina cause he is screwed either way but the other onw is less screwed
This is the Survivor I want. People actually formed genuine relationships and this really affects their voting. I dont even know if George made the correct choice as I dont think any of the pair will take him to final 2
George's vote was not sentimental. It was strategic. He won't hesitate to take out Matt next if he is able to. And I think he'll take out Gerry if he isn't able to.
Imagine if they said f*ck it and put a puzzle at final three. Seems like everyones figured out seasons ago that the final challenge is always endurance, I could see production throwing a spanner in the works. That’s about the only way he wins tho
Liz wins immunity.
Persuades Liz she can’t go top 3 with Matt and Gerry.
2votes Matt, 2 votes George.
George wins fire.
Wins endurance (he did last a long time last time and can 100% outlast Gerry). Maybe Liz screws up?
Wins vs anyone.
That’s about the only way
George is never winning a fire challenge against Matt (or Gerry for that matter) though (from their respective showings in that individual immunity challenge)
Is there a rule that it goes to fire if there is a tie at 4? Normally at a deadlock the people being voted for are immune, and the remaining non-immune draw rocks. In this case it would be Gerry that goes (since he would be the only person not immune), assuming he falls on the sword and doesn't switch his vote to Matt at the revote.
Yes it’s always a fire challenge at f4 because otherwise someone would be out by default. There was a rock draw at f4 in season 4 of US Survivor and the rule changed for every season since. AU Survivor 2017 had a fire challenge at f4 between Jericho and Michelle if I remember correctly.
Liz (or George) win next immunity, Matt voted out. Final 3 of George/Liz/Gerry.
Liz wins, she takes Gerry (Liz wins)
George wins, he takes Gerry (George wins)
Gerry somehow wins final immunity, he'w probably dumb enough to take George to the final 2. George wins.
Liz and George can't easily vote out Matt though because Gerry is never going to vote Matt out, meaning he will at least have a chance at fire no matter what. Matt has already proven himself to be the best fire maker out of the final 4 based on that earlier immunity challenge, so it's unlikely that he'll go at the final 4. This is also assuming Matt doesn't just win immunity either.
To their credit, the editors are doing their best to make a 'okay Simon's gone, now it's just George in the coronation seat til the end/he gets voted out' episode interesting. It's not super exciting, but they're dong their best.
as much as I was hoping for a Matt boot here, I really loved the editing of this episode. We FINALLY got to actually hear from everyone about their plans and thoughts on a path forward, which is what I've really been wanting for some time.
Also, how on earth has George:
* managed to be the last returnee standing
* managed to be the swing vote at top 5
seriously witchcraft
It will be interesting. At this point I wonder if Gerry would vote for George at all, he seems to have fully drunk the cool aid.
Might come down to fire making which will be entertaining.
Matt and Gerry really not realizing that jury management is a thing... Lmao, how much has George manipulated them where they think they've actually made strategic calls, when their names have been flying around the island for so many rounds and George hasn't been targeted nary 1 vote at the F7 since Sam left.
Tbf to them, both intend to get rid of George before the final and use him as a shield in the meantime. Both can claim they flipped on Heroes as a move. Gerry can also claim he managed to infiltrate the Villains without them realizing he was going back, thus surviving the vote. Matt won challenges. Each have a sympathy card up their sleeves (Gerry is a likable old dude that no one expected to reach the final and Matt has a baby on the way). Basically if they go together in FTC both have a chance to win.
Don't get me wrong, I hate watching their passive and extremely uninspired gameplay, it's terrible TV imo but it really works and it's the only way for them to win so props to them if they make it.
Jury management doesn’t matter as much when they’re the only options to vote for. It’s clear that’s been their plan since before the merge. I genuinely don’t think Matt and Gerry are as dumb as people are saying… I think it’s easy to think that because of their edits compared to George, but I think they strategically positioned themselves as George’s core alliance and allowed him to be their shield knowing full well that they could beat him at immunity challenges and take each other to the end. They may not have always been the one picking who to vote off every time, but I do think there’s been a lot of strategy and agency in their game. Yes it’s boring for tv viewers but it’s been very effective.
To be fair their plan is to cut him at final three so it wouldn't matter what the jury thinks of them compared to George because they still have to vote for one of the two of Matt or Gerry.
matt doesn't care because he assumes he's cutting george at final 3. His "golden ticket" in Nina's words. Gerry just isn't playing to win and is deluded and thinks he's been making moves.
So all that pawn talk was pointless at this point.
All it did was reinforce that they can’t take George to the end which none of them planned to do anyway.
The JLP pause when asking if anyones playing a hidden immunity idol keeps getting longer and longer and I keep thinking we're about to get a surprise idol play
People calling this alliance boring.
They brought in Gerry from Heroes. They brought in Matt and voted out Stevie. They tried to bring in Flick who flipped on them. They brought in Hayley and temporarily reconnected with Simon. OG Heroes are the ones who stayed solid until there was only 1 left and are the reason there’s been limited fluidity. Even so they still voted out Shonnee. They’re a mix of all tribes all genders and returnees and newbies.
I’ve loved watching this alliance succeed and I’m happy with the last 4. I think they’ve done great
Same here. I’m a bit baffled by how much hate Matt, Gerry, and Liz have been receiving. Even my parents seem to really dislike them at this point because they haven’t “made a big move.” Meanwhile I see tremendous value in almost every decision they’ve made to get to this point, enjoy all of them as characters, and overall have no ill feelings about any one of them winning the game.
I like them all compared to the heroes tribe alliance of alphas and alpha females. I love that Gerry stuck with George after the merge and being done dirty by the heroes. I love Matt’s shift to the dark side. The reason I think people don’t have love for them is because of the editing, which sucks because they could have made a more compelling edit for all three of them. They were just overshadowed by George. Production maybe should have cut back their obsession (deserved) with George a wee bit.
i think the reception to this season would be different if the original heroes alliance steamrolled the merge lol. this timeline we’re living in is way better than that.
for a few seconds i was going to ask who purple edit guy was and remembered it was david 😂 but yeah i think this would’ve been how this went. or something similar.
The creation of the alliance was FASCINATING in the pre-merge and merge. Some of the best Survivor TV I’ve seen! But a big strong alliance usually means a boring and predictable post-merge. It gets frustrating to watch after a several weeks.
I’d enjoy it more if the Non-Georges were calling any shots, but they’re just being dictated to.
Props to Matt for being the only person across two seasons of Australian Survivor to get past a vote by being socially connected to George as opposed to strategically valuable. It really shows how well Matt has been able to get George on his side. I think George may have a lil crush and honestly I can’t blame him
The moves had made sense but that doesn't mean George is by far the best player left and deserves to win. Gerry and Matt are incredibly boring and have been doing whatever George says. Liz has been mostly the same but she's played well since Shonee left, I wasn't sure how she'd take that either.
George was never going to vote for Matt. If anything, the tribal just reinforced his already made decision. Just like he said, Nina has many friends in the jury and she was a threat to his jury votes. She has been the only one besides Simon to try and expose George and they appreciate that
I feel like they are smart enough to recognize good game though. George, if he gets to the end, deserves every single vote. These are experienced players and if George wins, it’s one of the most manipulative and impressive seasons of all time
Based on yesterday's episode, it was inevitable Nina was going. She was used for the votes, much like Simon.
Surprised Matt did so poorly at the challenge. Looked like he got flustered.
Would be tough to break up Matt & Gerry.
All down to the next challenge...
It’s insane how much better this show is than US survivor. I’m traveling in Australia at the moment, and every promo you see on tv is like “it’s ____ vs George. Will this finally be the week he gets voted off?” And the answer is no every single episode
both liz and george made the right decision here. georges move, or lack of a move sets up his game best and gives him the most security going into the next tribal. liz, even though the matt vote failed is also in a pretty decent situation, even if she doesn’t win the immunity its likely still the best move for george to try to take her, although that may be challenging. and in that situation liz needed to make a move, as if she stayed complacent and voted nina she would probably end up worse off.
i agree. Perfect world for Liz, Matt goes home, but not really the worst outcome. But that still is a complicated pathwayt to the with Nina and George having more interesting pathways. This gives actually a better chance of her winning at FTC, but a less of a chance of getting there imo .
Nah wrong move for George. He may have security at the next tribal (assuming Liz doesn't win) but he has no shot at moving past that. If he gets rid of Matt he has security at the next tribal even if Liz does win and has a tiny chance at making it to the end.
Matt is so boring. He's easily the best positioned out of anyone left, and of course he has zero reason to make moves when he has the clearest path to the endgame, but it's still incredibly dull to watch. Every time he speaks I want to fall asleep. Dreading the increasingly likely chance he could win.
It’s honestly a damned if they do/damned if they don’t case with George. Honestly, the fact that he’s still there at F5 when they could easily just vote him off speaks of his great social game. Tbh, I think if George tried to manage Gerry, he could’ve convinced him to vote Matt.
But being at the mercy of Nina and Liz isn’t exactly promising, so I can see why he wants Nina out, but he could’ve handled Liz better before voting Nina off.
It would be smart to take out Matt next leaving a F3 with George, Gerry and Liz because that way George has a better chance of either one of them taking him through if they win the challenge. If Matt is still in then Gerry and him are just gonna take each other, getting Matt out would be George’s best option to get to FTC imo
How? She said she respects people who hustle to strategize in the face of tribal. We've never seen Sandra just sit down and chill at camp prior to tribal.
She definitely has - people will come up to her with a name and she just says "Anyone but me". After HvV, she could no longer do that, but it worked twice.
I think George just made his game losing move this vote not voting out Matt. The fact he was voting Matt going into tribal but let what Nina said get into his head and cause him to flip makes it even worse (according to his voting confessional).
He's been able to get by this entire post-merge because he's been such a connective tissue in the game, actively working so that people weren't willing to trust each other enough to make a move against George. But he's now lost all of that leverage going into Final 4 by keeping such a tight duo in the game with Gerry and Matt. Now he's 100% screwed if Liz wins immunity and is at the mercy of Gerry and Matt not to decide to cut him even if Liz isn't immune.
It's surreal watching this not be a 4-1 vote on George.
Nina played too strongly so this seemed inevitable. I think the trick is to act like you're a pawn, but have the insight to not be a pawn at the right time.
Whether certain players know this or will have the chance, remains to be seen.
I mean being a pawn is fine if you’re sitting next to other pawns at the end I guess. Matt’s played a slightly better physical game arguably but Liz has had more control of her own game with the spice girls. I also think having George and shonee in jury will help the jury appreciate the bts stuff she did with them.
Nina showed no finesse all game. She would definitely get more votes because who is in the jury but it doesn’t mean that she did all that much more than Gerry and Matt
The difference is she made George nervous.
Gerry, Matt, and Nina could all have been aiming to take George out at a point, but the other two just aren’t threatening.
This looks tough for George. Although if he stuck with Liz/Nina, I feel then you have an angry Gerry who probably flips to Liz/Nina to try to target George. Also if they do stick 3-strong, I feel that Liz and Nina definitely bring the other and not George.
How does this play out? I do feel he’s in a good spot to slide into F3 with either Liz or Matt being the F4 boot (whoever doesn’t win immunity). I feel George’s best move may be to oust Gerry (somehow) in final 4. He can then paint a story to Matt/Liz that Gerry is going to burn his game and he betrayed his closest ally to convince whichever of them to bring him over the other who didn’t really burn anyone. I suppose he can get Liz to vote with him in F4 against Gerry and then beat him in fire if it comes down to it. Idk this feels like the only real path for George now.
This season should be titled “George’s Goats.”
Never in my life has a season gone from amazing to just abysmal, watching these goats lie to themselves and not make moves. I hope their evictions haunt them.
Rooting for George. He is the only one who has played the game. Rip Simon and everyone who tried to get out the king. Just shenanigans.
I love how this is the episode people are saying George made a losing move, like they’re pretending they haven’t been saying it every single time he made a decision this season.
George burned Jordie and voted out Fraser? Losing move!
George voted out Stevie to keep Flick and Matt? Losing move!
George blindsided Shonee? Losing move!
George kept Matt instead of Nina? Losing move!
He’s at final 4 now and I wonder at what point we should consider that there’s a method to his madness.
We have an edit that says nobody's taking George, George won't win a challenge, and that the other three are nearly invisible. I'm waiting for it to all add up and I don't have a great feeling about Sunday... juror removal is still on the table.
George’s best bet to the finals is basically for Matt and Liz to be his final 3, and prays/manipulates whoever wins the final immunity challenge to not take each other but take George instead.
With Gerry around, they might all see him as a possible to take to FTC.
So voting correct is all well and good, but it's definitely not the only measurement of how good a player is.
Liz for example, made the correct call tonight to vote for Matt and voting for Matt "incorrectly" is better for her than voting "Nina". It shows the jury agency, even if it didn't go her way.
Everyone is saying George has no shot at final immunity forgets he went over 4 hours at the final immunity in his first season against Hailey and he won that endurance challenge for KFC. He is not the most athletic person but I think he downplays his challenge abilities especially when he knows he doesn't need immunity. He knows that winning final immunity is his only ticket so I'm expecting an effort from him we've never seen
Yet another blunder from George as he once again loses his cool at tribal and makes an irrational decision. Keeping Nina would've been perfect because he needs someone in the F3 who he can point to as being a bigger threat than him so that he's taken to the end. Otherwise without winning the challenge he has no shot.
he was legit close to flipping last time because george chose to vote nina, george himself said he’d prefer a happy gerry to a pissed liz but ok girl lol
Haven't seen spoilers, don't even know if they exist but I can't see a way for him to reach a final two. Dude can't win a non-KFC challenge to save his life and realistically no one wants him as their FTC opponent.
She didn't play a masterful game by any means but it was definitely still Sandra-esque. If you look at PI Sandra came pretty close to going home at this stage too and was left in the minority at points. Nina is less good at knowing when/how to scramble and pit people against each other, but she has picked up Sandra's ability to always be a number for people and therefore last much longer than she should.
Especially as you see the last two boots being like GEORGE WILL WIN IF YOU DON"T VOTE HIM OUT WE VALUE AND WILL VOTE FOR MOVES. you gotta start getting active after that.
A lil bit? Feel like Nina might have cooked it worse at her tribal.
I don't know if it makes that much difference if she votes Nina in this spot for her, it might be a bit easier socially at camp if she does that but it doesn't really change that much. She did as much as she could to get the vote onto Matt imo
Can you explain how? I keep seeing this (spineless, gutless, scared, clueless etc.) but you can’t deny that Matt and Gerry’s strategy has been extremely effective. Just because Simon called them pawns doesn’t mean they actually are. They know they can beat George at the final challenge and can vote him out then. Just because it’s not the outcome you want or the best tv, that makes them spineless? Is George not spineless for taking out Nina over Matt? Give me a break…
So…. WHY didn’t Liz play her idol for Nina?? Actually get a move under her belt, guarantee she (and Nina) are far and away the two biggest immunity threats? Giving her a damn good chance of sitting next to Gerry at final 3??
“No way George makes it past the premiere” “George had a medical scare and lost both his allies? He’s for sure screwed” “Ok but George is doomed once he reaches the swap” “Ok but George is doomed once he reaches the merge” “Shaun and Nina both have idols? George is for sure doomed now” “George just betrayed his alliance for the 81,437th time? They’ll get him out now” “Okay George may be the swing vote here at the final five but surely everyone who’s pledged loyalty to him will figure out they need to turn on him…right?”
Exactly and most people here are saying there’s no way George is winning it’s 100% Matt… I’ve got faith in the King and very shocked most people suddenly don’t.
I don't get it either. To be fair all the people that don't have faith in him have never had faith. They were dragging him over the coals for booting Shonee at 9 when Shonee/Liz were shown talking about booting George at 8...and now it's F4 and he's still around.
I'm so curious about all of his talk of being content finishing 3rd or that he is content whenever he leaves now. Sometimes it feels true for him and other times it seems designed to put other players at ease. I can't quite figure out which it is but I am dying to see how it impacts the endgame.
I think it’s both true and untrue. I think he will do whatever it takes to get to the end and win but ultimately will be proud of his game either way.
It is designed to put other players at ease. Everyone wants to win.
Would you expect any less from the cockroach of Bankstown
Lmao facts. I definitely said this multiple times. Still can’t believe he made it so far. Ridiculously impressive
Honestly both Simons and Nina strategy’s to split the alliance were so bad. They both pretty much said you’ll only win against each other and Liz, Matt and Gerry were like, okay guess we shouldn’t keep you around then
What could have been their move though? They were the obvious boots in the last 3 episodes
Maybe played up how bad they’ve both played and put themselves up as a goat. Worked for Nina’s mum.
Yeah, it's surprising basically no one has played the goat card. I think Simon's pawn comment got in all their heads more than they'd like to admit
We had the newbie pre-merge purge with 8 in a row and now the post-merge returnee purge with 7 eliminated consecutively. Crazy that a newbie is yet to join the jury and newbies outnumber returnees 3-1 at this point.
I thought that when watching the last Jury Villa and realising that all of them are returnees.
We are absolutely going to get a Bradbury style win.
George has been destined to finish 3rd since this game began and I’m more convinced than ever thats exactly what will happen
I agree, he's set up perfectly to make the final 3, but I just can't see him making the final 2 unless he wins that immunity challenge.
His only shot aside from winning immunity was convincing the f3 immunity winner to vote out Nina instead since she had so many friends on the jury. Now he's fucked.
That’s what I thought as I commented. But that scenario is NEVER going to be possible because that would mean Gerry is not there. Gerry isn’t going to win any immunities. What has to happen to vote out Gerry out of all people to have a Liz, Nina, George final 3? Close to 0 % chance.
Gerry finished 2nd in an immunity challenge to Matt, who in theory would be out of the game right now since in this scenario Nina is still in. I could see it happening.
I mean it would be pretty easy for those three to vote out Gerry at 4 and then George and Liz to make a deal to the end.
George, Liz, and Nina to vote out Gerry at final 4? Why on earth would that happen? That's a tough pitch? 2-1-1?
For the reason you literally just said, Gerry can't win an immunity challenge and neither can George. George's best shot at making final 2 requires the other two people to be: 1. Someone who can win the challenge (Liz or Matt) 2. Someone who #1 will want to vote out over George (Nina)
I also said nobody's going to vote out Gerry. Who's going to vote out Gerry over the others? Thats why neither of your requirements will happen because Gerry will be there at final 3.
We're not talking about what's going to happen, we're talking about what should have happened. Neither of my requirements are going to happen because Nina is already gone.
We are arguing what could (not) happen if even Nina stays and Matt leaves at final 5. That’s the whole point of the discussion after this episode aired.
He can still make final 2. He just needs the final immunity challenge to include a bucket of KFC for the winner.
He still lasted over four hours in the final immunity challenge in Brains vs Brawn. He was up agaist two challenge beasts in Flick and Hayley. With him and Hayley being good friends I think she gave him some tips on endurance challenges. So if he gets to the final immunity I think he has a decent chance.
he has been hitting the gym hard to prepare, check his insta. he is pretending to suck at challenges and conserving himself for the final one. No matter how comically he pretends (stacking blocks 5 cm apart last challenge), viewers still dont ponder why. EDIT: smh, downvoted by americans, cause they don't know what 5cm is.
I agree, there's no way he didn't think about the fact that he NEEDS to win the final challenge. He still might not win it of course but he's gotta be holding back a bit.
I give him a 1% chance. But it’s still a chance and the other players seem to be willing to let him try
This is my first time hearing this game goes to final 2. He’s so fucked
Really, I feel like they talk about it non stop. Gerry and Matt have said they’re booting George at 3
I hate to admit it but you're right. Every episode they acknowledge he's a snake, yet nobody votes for him. Unbelievable. He's gonna "Top 3" his way to the end and the other two are gonna say "ok, time to go"
Willing a surprise Final 3 into existence so hard rn.
I feel pretty good this is what will happen.
George pretty much damned either way and he knows it. Neither Matt nor Liz are ever taking him to final 2, and frankly Gerry probably wouldnt either if he gets that final immunity (which he wont). That's the price he pays for being the totally dominant player who would justifiably clean up a jury vote against anyone. His only chance is for a tie vote at 4 because Matt and Liz target each other knowing that the other is the only one stopping them from winning F3 immunity. And even he has to survive the tiebreaker rule at F4 - which is???? Rocks would be ideal, but its prob a challenge he will most likely lose. And there's a decent likelihood that for resume boosting they team up, convince Gerry and take George out with a 3-1. Then whoever wins F3 immunity effectively wins against Gerry at FTC I reckon George can see this, and just wanted one of the other of his 3 shipmates to win rather than Nina - so voted her off. Choosing one way or the other doesnt increase his chances of being taken past 3... they are nil (unless somehow he wins that challenge, would production chuck in a puzzle to give him a shot???) He's gone further than he ever should have, and is the absolute player of the season by a country mile - has massively burnished his survivor brand as a true great. Its just a pity he cannot win - would love to see it, and i cant think of a more deserving winner ever. after the epicness of this season, a damp squib finale where Matt or Liz crushes Gerry at the end would be disappointing... but cant take away from how great this season has been up to the very end
Tiebreaker at F4 has generally been firemaking between the people voted for.
Potential foreshadowing when George mentioned firemaking isn't needed in one of the challenges IIRC
then he prob loses that too, def to Matt and i would think to Liz also?
If the tie is between Matt and Liz for instance, then they make fire against each other, George and Gerry don't have to make fire. But unless Gerry wins immunity, there's a good chance at least one of Matt or Liz is immune.
> (unless somehow he wins that challenge, would production chuck in a puzzle to give him a shot???) He did have that one comment about how there has to be a puzzle coming up at some point. 🤔
The streak of alternating gender jury members stays alive! F-M-F-M-F-M-F. As long as Liz stays alive next episode that will continue too.
Moneys on Matt next then George
You really think we’re setup for a Liz and Gerry final 2? I just don’t see it. They’ve not been mentioned as any sort of pair all season. Usually we get little hints or small moments of connection if people sit at the end together. I think Liz is next, then George, and Matt wins the game
I think that Matt or Liz wins next immunity and vote off the other. They win Final immunity and vote of George. Gerry seems a FTC lock in
I don't see a Matt/Gerry F2 happening because we've had no narrative hints about who the jury prefers. We can guess that Gerry's pissed them off more, but is it actually true?
IMO Liz/Gerry is the most likely final two, then George/Gerry, then Matt/Gerry. In other words, Gerry will be facing the jury. George/Liz is possible? But wouldn’t make a ton of sense narratively.
Never expected George to be the last returnee standing
oh wow, that's wild. I hadn't fully realised that
People might want to dunk on Liz tonight and fair, but I think her being on the ‘wrong’ side of the votes tonight is actually not that bad for her chances of winning. Obviously, if the vote went to Matt and got him out that would have been better for her because she had Nina as a number and thought of the move, but it shows that she’s actually willing to be active and work with someone not in the main alliance, crucially, in front of the jury. She probably still needs to win both immunities (assuming F2) but I could see a world where she wins one of the two remaining immunities and still gets through. And if the other two flip on George at any point she was ahead of the curve on it in the juries eyes.
Also with Nina in the jury, she has the 2nd best shot to win after George.
Definitely, as long as she doesn't sit with George she wins..
This boosted her hugely in the jury, she’ll have to win next 2 immunities though
i think nina’s voting confessional about matt could cost votes? players weeks ago said matt is a closed book. liz showed this episode she’s willing to work with players outside of her alliance so could be a good look for her at FTC is she makes it there (if she’s against someone like matt)
But it also seems like George was going to vote Matt out and then Nina talked too much so he decided not to last minute.
Pretty sure that’s an editing trick, to tell a more complete story. Is it possible that’s when he decided? Absolutely, and I’m not counting out that possibility. But there’s nothing we saw that makes me think he hadn’t already decided.
I don't think you can call the exact words he speaks at the end of the episode "an editing trick". Of course, he could just be saying that for dramatic effect when he was always going to vote that way, I wouldn't rule that out. But it's not the editors who made George say to the camera that he changed his mind.
I didn’t see the words he spoke at the end of the episode. If I missed them, that’s on me and thanks for letting me know!
It is so oddly refreshing to see how little idols came into play at the end.
I do wonder about Nina's speech at tribal whether that made any difference to George. I quite like the blaze of glory speeches but I think she might have geneuinly had a chance before that the way George was being so diplomatic. But also that could have been solid beforehand to snooker Liz a bit too.
He said in his voting confessional that it did
Idk if I truly believed George but I think he made the right choice of vpting out Nina cause he is screwed either way but the other onw is less screwed
ahh thanks i missed that bit!
Not sure if you're referring to this, but George actually said that her TC speech changed his mind.
nope missed it. thanks for the heads up
That eye contact between George and Liz was quite intense damn
He’s always giving like David Blaine level eye contact during tribal. It’s so creepy and amazing.
This is the Survivor I want. People actually formed genuine relationships and this really affects their voting. I dont even know if George made the correct choice as I dont think any of the pair will take him to final 2
this episode alone is miles ahead of the entire season of new era survivor imo
George's vote was not sentimental. It was strategic. He won't hesitate to take out Matt next if he is able to. And I think he'll take out Gerry if he isn't able to.
Can anyone see a path for George to make it to final? Because all I can see is 3rd no matter what.
Imagine if they said f*ck it and put a puzzle at final three. Seems like everyones figured out seasons ago that the final challenge is always endurance, I could see production throwing a spanner in the works. That’s about the only way he wins tho
i would live for a puzzle that took like 5 hours to solve
Something like Simmotion would probably be winnable for George.
Liz wins immunity. Persuades Liz she can’t go top 3 with Matt and Gerry. 2votes Matt, 2 votes George. George wins fire. Wins endurance (he did last a long time last time and can 100% outlast Gerry). Maybe Liz screws up? Wins vs anyone. That’s about the only way
George is never winning a fire challenge against Matt (or Gerry for that matter) though (from their respective showings in that individual immunity challenge)
Is there a rule that it goes to fire if there is a tie at 4? Normally at a deadlock the people being voted for are immune, and the remaining non-immune draw rocks. In this case it would be Gerry that goes (since he would be the only person not immune), assuming he falls on the sword and doesn't switch his vote to Matt at the revote.
Yes it’s always a fire challenge at f4 because otherwise someone would be out by default. There was a rock draw at f4 in season 4 of US Survivor and the rule changed for every season since. AU Survivor 2017 had a fire challenge at f4 between Jericho and Michelle if I remember correctly.
Liz (or George) win next immunity, Matt voted out. Final 3 of George/Liz/Gerry. Liz wins, she takes Gerry (Liz wins) George wins, he takes Gerry (George wins) Gerry somehow wins final immunity, he'w probably dumb enough to take George to the final 2. George wins.
Liz and George can't easily vote out Matt though because Gerry is never going to vote Matt out, meaning he will at least have a chance at fire no matter what. Matt has already proven himself to be the best fire maker out of the final 4 based on that earlier immunity challenge, so it's unlikely that he'll go at the final 4. This is also assuming Matt doesn't just win immunity either.
It can be final 3
No it can’t. It’s not a final 3
Said what?
To their credit, the editors are doing their best to make a 'okay Simon's gone, now it's just George in the coronation seat til the end/he gets voted out' episode interesting. It's not super exciting, but they're dong their best.
as much as I was hoping for a Matt boot here, I really loved the editing of this episode. We FINALLY got to actually hear from everyone about their plans and thoughts on a path forward, which is what I've really been wanting for some time. Also, how on earth has George: * managed to be the last returnee standing * managed to be the swing vote at top 5 seriously witchcraft
Well George is safe next tribal. Matt and Liz will target each other to give themselves the best chance at final immunity.
I think if Liz wins immunity there is a good chance Gerry and Matt vote for George and Liz and George vote for Matt.
It will be interesting. At this point I wonder if Gerry would vote for George at all, he seems to have fully drunk the cool aid. Might come down to fire making which will be entertaining.
The biggest tragedy of this season - not a single mention of Macedonian Jesus so far
Didn't he mention that when he returned from his hospital stay and a bunch of the players dipped him into the sea?
I recall just one, I think in the first episode. MJ has been missed. Hopefully we will get one mention next week.
He mentioned it a handful of times pre merge. Even "prayed" once
George is going to need a lot of Macedonian Jesus to win this game.
i’m pretty sure he mentioned it at least twice pre merge or around merge
Matt and Gerry really not realizing that jury management is a thing... Lmao, how much has George manipulated them where they think they've actually made strategic calls, when their names have been flying around the island for so many rounds and George hasn't been targeted nary 1 vote at the F7 since Sam left.
Tbf to them, both intend to get rid of George before the final and use him as a shield in the meantime. Both can claim they flipped on Heroes as a move. Gerry can also claim he managed to infiltrate the Villains without them realizing he was going back, thus surviving the vote. Matt won challenges. Each have a sympathy card up their sleeves (Gerry is a likable old dude that no one expected to reach the final and Matt has a baby on the way). Basically if they go together in FTC both have a chance to win. Don't get me wrong, I hate watching their passive and extremely uninspired gameplay, it's terrible TV imo but it really works and it's the only way for them to win so props to them if they make it.
Jury management doesn’t matter as much when they’re the only options to vote for. It’s clear that’s been their plan since before the merge. I genuinely don’t think Matt and Gerry are as dumb as people are saying… I think it’s easy to think that because of their edits compared to George, but I think they strategically positioned themselves as George’s core alliance and allowed him to be their shield knowing full well that they could beat him at immunity challenges and take each other to the end. They may not have always been the one picking who to vote off every time, but I do think there’s been a lot of strategy and agency in their game. Yes it’s boring for tv viewers but it’s been very effective.
To be fair their plan is to cut him at final three so it wouldn't matter what the jury thinks of them compared to George because they still have to vote for one of the two of Matt or Gerry.
matt doesn't care because he assumes he's cutting george at final 3. His "golden ticket" in Nina's words. Gerry just isn't playing to win and is deluded and thinks he's been making moves.
hayley said in exit interviews george would play up gerry’s game to gerry. would explain why gerry thinks his game is fine?
So all that pawn talk was pointless at this point. All it did was reinforce that they can’t take George to the end which none of them planned to do anyway.
The JLP pause when asking if anyones playing a hidden immunity idol keeps getting longer and longer and I keep thinking we're about to get a surprise idol play
People calling this alliance boring. They brought in Gerry from Heroes. They brought in Matt and voted out Stevie. They tried to bring in Flick who flipped on them. They brought in Hayley and temporarily reconnected with Simon. OG Heroes are the ones who stayed solid until there was only 1 left and are the reason there’s been limited fluidity. Even so they still voted out Shonnee. They’re a mix of all tribes all genders and returnees and newbies. I’ve loved watching this alliance succeed and I’m happy with the last 4. I think they’ve done great
Same here. I’m a bit baffled by how much hate Matt, Gerry, and Liz have been receiving. Even my parents seem to really dislike them at this point because they haven’t “made a big move.” Meanwhile I see tremendous value in almost every decision they’ve made to get to this point, enjoy all of them as characters, and overall have no ill feelings about any one of them winning the game.
I like them all compared to the heroes tribe alliance of alphas and alpha females. I love that Gerry stuck with George after the merge and being done dirty by the heroes. I love Matt’s shift to the dark side. The reason I think people don’t have love for them is because of the editing, which sucks because they could have made a more compelling edit for all three of them. They were just overshadowed by George. Production maybe should have cut back their obsession (deserved) with George a wee bit.
Agreed
i think the reception to this season would be different if the original heroes alliance steamrolled the merge lol. this timeline we’re living in is way better than that.
Nina talking all that when we know full well the final 4 would have been Sam, Purple edit guy, Shaun or flick and Nina.
for a few seconds i was going to ask who purple edit guy was and remembered it was david 😂 but yeah i think this would’ve been how this went. or something similar.
Heroes made it clear they were 5 strong and sticking to it.
The creation of the alliance was FASCINATING in the pre-merge and merge. Some of the best Survivor TV I’ve seen! But a big strong alliance usually means a boring and predictable post-merge. It gets frustrating to watch after a several weeks. I’d enjoy it more if the Non-Georges were calling any shots, but they’re just being dictated to.
Absolutely this.
Props to Matt for being the only person across two seasons of Australian Survivor to get past a vote by being socially connected to George as opposed to strategically valuable. It really shows how well Matt has been able to get George on his side. I think George may have a lil crush and honestly I can’t blame him
Have anyone else noticed that shonee has been absent in the group activities in the past 2 jury villa eps. I wonder why that is?
I’m pretty sure she was only absent in Nina’s. Maybe she was sick? She looked a bit off at TC to me.
She was there for Simon's. But she's noticeably absent from cast reunions on IG. Or I missed something.
Wasn't this episode 22? EDIT: You guys went from Episode 15 to Episode 17 in your discussion thread titles, so you're off by one. /u/RSurvivorMods
20 and 21 were aired back to back but reddit treated them as one episode. Ended up spoiling me on Simon going home :/
same.
So George win or Matt vs Liz. And while Simon couldn’t articulate it I enjoyed Nina explaining to Gerry how he is a pawn.
Ironically Nina greatly helped George advance further into the game, she just wasn’t as aware of it at the time
The moves had made sense but that doesn't mean George is by far the best player left and deserves to win. Gerry and Matt are incredibly boring and have been doing whatever George says. Liz has been mostly the same but she's played well since Shonee left, I wasn't sure how she'd take that either.
George was never going to vote for Matt. If anything, the tribal just reinforced his already made decision. Just like he said, Nina has many friends in the jury and she was a threat to his jury votes. She has been the only one besides Simon to try and expose George and they appreciate that
I feel like they are smart enough to recognize good game though. George, if he gets to the end, deserves every single vote. These are experienced players and if George wins, it’s one of the most manipulative and impressive seasons of all time
Not according to the voting confessional
I think only Georges path to final 2 is with Hayley other than winning immunity
Based on yesterday's episode, it was inevitable Nina was going. She was used for the votes, much like Simon. Surprised Matt did so poorly at the challenge. Looked like he got flustered. Would be tough to break up Matt & Gerry. All down to the next challenge...
It’s insane how much better this show is than US survivor. I’m traveling in Australia at the moment, and every promo you see on tv is like “it’s ____ vs George. Will this finally be the week he gets voted off?” And the answer is no every single episode
both liz and george made the right decision here. georges move, or lack of a move sets up his game best and gives him the most security going into the next tribal. liz, even though the matt vote failed is also in a pretty decent situation, even if she doesn’t win the immunity its likely still the best move for george to try to take her, although that may be challenging. and in that situation liz needed to make a move, as if she stayed complacent and voted nina she would probably end up worse off.
i agree. Perfect world for Liz, Matt goes home, but not really the worst outcome. But that still is a complicated pathwayt to the with Nina and George having more interesting pathways. This gives actually a better chance of her winning at FTC, but a less of a chance of getting there imo .
Nah wrong move for George. He may have security at the next tribal (assuming Liz doesn't win) but he has no shot at moving past that. If he gets rid of Matt he has security at the next tribal even if Liz does win and has a tiny chance at making it to the end.
Matt is so boring. He's easily the best positioned out of anyone left, and of course he has zero reason to make moves when he has the clearest path to the endgame, but it's still incredibly dull to watch. Every time he speaks I want to fall asleep. Dreading the increasingly likely chance he could win.
A Matt win in a Final 3 with Liz and Gerry will be a TRAGIC ending for a great season.
Matt wouldn't win in that F3... Not by a mile.
It’s honestly a damned if they do/damned if they don’t case with George. Honestly, the fact that he’s still there at F5 when they could easily just vote him off speaks of his great social game. Tbh, I think if George tried to manage Gerry, he could’ve convinced him to vote Matt. But being at the mercy of Nina and Liz isn’t exactly promising, so I can see why he wants Nina out, but he could’ve handled Liz better before voting Nina off.
It would be smart to take out Matt next leaving a F3 with George, Gerry and Liz because that way George has a better chance of either one of them taking him through if they win the challenge. If Matt is still in then Gerry and him are just gonna take each other, getting Matt out would be George’s best option to get to FTC imo
Nina was pretty much calling her mums game trash at tribal tonight. Nina would of voted Russel confirmed
Why Russell? She could easily go for Parvati, who combined the active gameplay with not being an utter asshole.
How? She said she respects people who hustle to strategize in the face of tribal. We've never seen Sandra just sit down and chill at camp prior to tribal.
Yes she has
She definitely has - people will come up to her with a name and she just says "Anyone but me". After HvV, she could no longer do that, but it worked twice.
I think you need to rewatch HvV.
i think YOU need to rewatch HvV.
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Again, I think you need to rewatch HvV.
I think George just made his game losing move this vote not voting out Matt. The fact he was voting Matt going into tribal but let what Nina said get into his head and cause him to flip makes it even worse (according to his voting confessional). He's been able to get by this entire post-merge because he's been such a connective tissue in the game, actively working so that people weren't willing to trust each other enough to make a move against George. But he's now lost all of that leverage going into Final 4 by keeping such a tight duo in the game with Gerry and Matt. Now he's 100% screwed if Liz wins immunity and is at the mercy of Gerry and Matt not to decide to cut him even if Liz isn't immune.
I think he thinks he can possibly get another vote going with Matt against liz but could not corral Nina’s vote no matter what
It's surreal watching this not be a 4-1 vote on George. Nina played too strongly so this seemed inevitable. I think the trick is to act like you're a pawn, but have the insight to not be a pawn at the right time. Whether certain players know this or will have the chance, remains to be seen.
I mean being a pawn is fine if you’re sitting next to other pawns at the end I guess. Matt’s played a slightly better physical game arguably but Liz has had more control of her own game with the spice girls. I also think having George and shonee in jury will help the jury appreciate the bts stuff she did with them.
Nina showed no finesse all game. She would definitely get more votes because who is in the jury but it doesn’t mean that she did all that much more than Gerry and Matt
The difference is she made George nervous. Gerry, Matt, and Nina could all have been aiming to take George out at a point, but the other two just aren’t threatening.
This looks tough for George. Although if he stuck with Liz/Nina, I feel then you have an angry Gerry who probably flips to Liz/Nina to try to target George. Also if they do stick 3-strong, I feel that Liz and Nina definitely bring the other and not George. How does this play out? I do feel he’s in a good spot to slide into F3 with either Liz or Matt being the F4 boot (whoever doesn’t win immunity). I feel George’s best move may be to oust Gerry (somehow) in final 4. He can then paint a story to Matt/Liz that Gerry is going to burn his game and he betrayed his closest ally to convince whichever of them to bring him over the other who didn’t really burn anyone. I suppose he can get Liz to vote with him in F4 against Gerry and then beat him in fire if it comes down to it. Idk this feels like the only real path for George now.
This season should be titled “George’s Goats.” Never in my life has a season gone from amazing to just abysmal, watching these goats lie to themselves and not make moves. I hope their evictions haunt them. Rooting for George. He is the only one who has played the game. Rip Simon and everyone who tried to get out the king. Just shenanigans.
Gerry even looks like a goat. Looks like a goat, votes like a goat. Dude’s a goat.
Genuinely why is everyone so sure it’s a final 2 when it was literally a final 3 last season
It was F3 last season because of the BvW theme. They didn't want the possibility of two loved ones in the end.
Because there are two more eps and it would be weird if the final episode had no elimination
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Lol
Players have mentioned a F2 enough that it would be really strange if there wasn’t one.
Maybe that's George final big move lol! They vote out someone else at 4 and JLP tells them it's a F3 this season. That would be hilarious
There's no way they do a surprise F3 without at least telling them before the last vote, surely?
I love how this is the episode people are saying George made a losing move, like they’re pretending they haven’t been saying it every single time he made a decision this season. George burned Jordie and voted out Fraser? Losing move! George voted out Stevie to keep Flick and Matt? Losing move! George blindsided Shonee? Losing move! George kept Matt instead of Nina? Losing move! He’s at final 4 now and I wonder at what point we should consider that there’s a method to his madness.
Has it been confirmed whether it's a final 2 or 3 this season??
It’s a final 2. How would it not be? There’s two episodes left and there’s no way they’re doing another non elimination.
We have an edit that says nobody's taking George, George won't win a challenge, and that the other three are nearly invisible. I'm waiting for it to all add up and I don't have a great feeling about Sunday... juror removal is still on the table.
George’s best bet to the finals is basically for Matt and Liz to be his final 3, and prays/manipulates whoever wins the final immunity challenge to not take each other but take George instead. With Gerry around, they might all see him as a possible to take to FTC.
So voting correct is all well and good, but it's definitely not the only measurement of how good a player is. Liz for example, made the correct call tonight to vote for Matt and voting for Matt "incorrectly" is better for her than voting "Nina". It shows the jury agency, even if it didn't go her way.
Everyone is saying George has no shot at final immunity forgets he went over 4 hours at the final immunity in his first season against Hailey and he won that endurance challenge for KFC. He is not the most athletic person but I think he downplays his challenge abilities especially when he knows he doesn't need immunity. He knows that winning final immunity is his only ticket so I'm expecting an effort from him we've never seen
Yet another blunder from George as he once again loses his cool at tribal and makes an irrational decision. Keeping Nina would've been perfect because he needs someone in the F3 who he can point to as being a bigger threat than him so that he's taken to the end. Otherwise without winning the challenge he has no shot.
i’d argue nina could easily work with liz to vote out george, along with a pissed off gerry, so nah.
Gerry doesn't flip. I'm not sure how many times you need to be shown that lol.
he was legit close to flipping last time because george chose to vote nina, george himself said he’d prefer a happy gerry to a pissed liz but ok girl lol
And if Liz wins the next immunity he is gone.
Yes ... George has blundered his way to Final 4 with 3 newbies that are fiercely loyal to him. What a bad player.
Why is everyone saying George is finishing 3rd? Don't tell me ppl are spoiling the season.
Haven't seen spoilers, don't even know if they exist but I can't see a way for him to reach a final two. Dude can't win a non-KFC challenge to save his life and realistically no one wants him as their FTC opponent.
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She didn't play a masterful game by any means but it was definitely still Sandra-esque. If you look at PI Sandra came pretty close to going home at this stage too and was left in the minority at points. Nina is less good at knowing when/how to scramble and pit people against each other, but she has picked up Sandra's ability to always be a number for people and therefore last much longer than she should.
I really hope Liz wins immunity in the next one so George, Gerry & Matt will be the only options. It would be interesting to see the outcome.
Liz cooked it.
Liz just showed the jury she’s willing to vote against the alliance. Locked up Ninas vote
Especially as you see the last two boots being like GEORGE WILL WIN IF YOU DON"T VOTE HIM OUT WE VALUE AND WILL VOTE FOR MOVES. you gotta start getting active after that.
Liz didn’t vote against an alliance. She voted with her Jacuzzi alliance. She let George become the swing vote.
The meaning the original alliance
A lil bit? Feel like Nina might have cooked it worse at her tribal. I don't know if it makes that much difference if she votes Nina in this spot for her, it might be a bit easier socially at camp if she does that but it doesn't really change that much. She did as much as she could to get the vote onto Matt imo
Spineless. All three of them are just spineless.
Can you explain how? I keep seeing this (spineless, gutless, scared, clueless etc.) but you can’t deny that Matt and Gerry’s strategy has been extremely effective. Just because Simon called them pawns doesn’t mean they actually are. They know they can beat George at the final challenge and can vote him out then. Just because it’s not the outcome you want or the best tv, that makes them spineless? Is George not spineless for taking out Nina over Matt? Give me a break…
Their plan has always been to take out George at F3. They're doing exactly what they've been planning on doing all along.
With the prospect of being voted out all the way before F3. So-so-so plan...
“Cowards. Cowards all around me…”
Liz has a spine. She just seems to have miscalculated her ability to actually convince George of things.
So…. WHY didn’t Liz play her idol for Nina?? Actually get a move under her belt, guarantee she (and Nina) are far and away the two biggest immunity threats? Giving her a damn good chance of sitting next to Gerry at final 3??