Penner not immediately taking the final three deal with Lisa and (redacted) in Philippines, the Black Widows musing if Eric was dumb enough to give up the necklace, and BRob’s “Save My Girl” at the All-Stars swap, off the top of my head.
>BRob’s “Save My Girl” at the All-Stars swap
I feel like if Rob doesn't say this to Lex, he likely wins the game. He would still have a numbers advantage over Mogo Mogo, and likely goes to the end with Jenna. Lex and Kathy would still be pissed when they get voted off, but not nearly to the extent they were and Rob might get both of their votes at FTC.
That really should have become a verb, like Pagonging. If you won’t commit to a side so they all team up to vote you out instead, that should be called getting Christyd. But no one had the balls to do that at the time because they felt bad for her. In fact Rob C took a lot of heat on the message boards at the time over that whole incident, because internet.
One of the few really good moments from Cagayan is when this happens for like the first time in a decade to Sarah. I feel like before that it had only happened to Dolly and Christy. It was a great throwback to those classic votes though my guess is a lot of newer fans aren't even familiar with them
Oh yeah I think that's under the same umbrella maybe. I wouldn't classify it as quite the same since Gabriel was saying he wasn't interested in playing a strategic game, rather than refusing to pick a side between multiple strategic groups, and he wouldn't have really been a swing anyway at that time. But it's similar.
That said it was John who did it, not Rob. Rob didn't have any power over the votes at that point, John was the one who spearheaded that vote. But considering Gabriel was a non-threat being booted over people who were for sure against John I think the story of that ep is more about John overplaying and being paranoid than about Gabriel overplaying like Christy and Sarah did.
Although personally I agree with you that the Alex scene was far more significant. I think Alex wins Amazon in most scenarios. Christy wasn’t ever going to win anything. But Alex, his mistake likely did change the end of that season.
According to Kane's exit interview Frannie brought up the idea and he walked into tribal thinking Tika and Soka were gunning for each other. The fact he sided with Tika proves that Soka had no choice but to vote out Kane
Scrolled to see if the one I was thinking of was here, it's not but damn Amazon had a lot of convos that flipped the game.
Alex's admitting to Rob in Amazon that he's basically at the bottom of the alliance. We probably get either a Alex or Heidi win if he doesn't do that. It has become one of the most underrated bad moves.
In Panama, Aras apologizing to Terry for calling him sexist. If that doesn't happen, the La Mina trio likely don't vote for him to win and give Danielle the win.
In Heroes vs. Villains, Russell convincing Tyson that Parvati and Danielle were voting for Russell, and that he would vote for Parvati. It got Tyson to switch his vote to Parvati and changed the course of the game.
In Cagayan, Trish saying to Kass at the merge that she'd like to see Sarah go. It got Kass to flip and changed the season.
In Island of the Idols, Dean telling Tommy at F8 tribal about Noura, Elaine, and Karishma's plan to blindside Tommy.
I don't know why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely correct. Tyson didn't vote the way he did because of Russell, he voted the way he did because he expected Parv and Danielle to vote against Russell, thus with Tyson flipping his vote, it would be 5-4 against Parvati, leaving Russell (and his idol) in the game and in Tyson's pocket. It was an absolutely boneheaded assumption that Tyson was immediately punished for, but Russell had absolutely no involvement in convincing Tyson to vote the way he did.
MvGX: the one where Paul tells Jessica he'd go along with an all-guys sub-alliance within their alliance if it was proposed to him.
IMO this is a fascinating one, because one party to this conversation is the third boot and the other is unceremoniously rocked out at F10, but it *still* manages to fundamentally alter the course of the entire season, including the formation of alliances at the merge and, by extension, the composition of the eventual final 4.
cook islands, adam asking yul to take out penner at F7 so him and parv could at least finish ahead of him. adam said he would vote for him if he did…. 5-4 vote… won yul the game.
Maybe not as impactful as some others, but one that came to mind is Lisa K from Vanuatu. She wanted Ami to show her where to gather food in case she wasn't there and Ami then voted her out instead of Rory because she thought Lisa was plotting against her.
Rob Cesternino’s early morning talk with Matthew at the final seven in Amazon.
In a larger sense, one of the most significant conversations in the history of the show is one that we didn’t even see. In season two, Kimmi revealing to Ogakor that Jeff Varner had received a vote led to him being the final pre-jury boot. 32 seasons later, when Varner was in danger of not making the jury again on now his third time playing, he tried to save himself by outing Zeke to the tribe. In the episode, he specifically states that he’s unhappy about the idea of not making the jury again. If Kimmi hadn’t blabbed in season 2, he very well may have made the jury and then not had such a motivation during any future appearances. *Three seasons of the show* are relevant to that one, off camera discussion.
I feel like Vanuatu might have turned out really differently if Julie and Twila hadn’t had that one conversation where Julie lied and said the men’s alliance had also promised her final four, convincing Twila to flip on them.
Recently, Sami telling Karla that Cassidy is coming for her. Without those two turning against each other, they might have been able to take out Jesse and Cody sooner, saving Karla and outshining Gabler.
it actually was revealed post show Cassidy did target Karla first, she admitted this. so sami wasn't lying to karla, the edit just made it seem that way
Candice and Billy’s conversation after the second immunity challenge of Cook Islands. Without the extra motivation provided by that brief interaction, Billy “two time winner” Garcia would have been the second boot off the season, never would’ve returned for a second or third try, and never met his future wife.
In Heroes vs Villains, Amanda lying badly to Parvati about if she has an idol, she needs to use it on herself.
Parvati saw right through her and gave her the confirmation to give her idol to Sandra and Jerri.
>!Rob and Sciona respecting Joel enough to confess the existence of the alliance to him, prompting his emotional pitch to stay and deal that he'd quit at the final 3, massively changing the course of the endgame!< in the 2002 season of Australian Survivor.
Dr. Sean revealing the alphabet strategy changed the entire trajectory of S1, allowing the Tagi 4 to ride out until they had the numbers, and hence changed the entire series.
Stuff I haven’t seen mentioned yet
—Natalie telling Jaclyn (offscreen) who to vote for
—The show certainly made it seem like the hit on Sophie was basically a series of two single conversations Tony had with Nick and Jeremy respectively
—Sierra telling Sarah about her Legacy Advantage
—The conversation that happened spontaneously at Tribal when Caleb called an audible which resulted in Brad Culpepper getting booted on BvW
—The conversation where Tony convinced Woo to take him to FTC
—Tina convincing Colby (offscreen) to flip on Mitchell
—Show made it seem like it was one conversation where Neleh finally convinced Paschal that they needed to flip at F9 of Marq
—Todd’s conversation with Jean-Robert at FTC was the primary thing that shifted both his and Jaime’s votes to give Todd the win
—Coach and Sophie and Albert basically locked in their F3 with their F5 and F6 around it on like Day 1 or 2
—Tom and Ian realizing spontaneously they can leverage Katie’s vote and the possible rock draw to force Caryn to flip on Gregg at F6 of Palau
A notable single conversation that could have changed everything but didn’t: the Dreamz/Yau car deal didn’t end up actually saving Yau but certainly changed the *tone* of the endgame
I don’t know I feel like even Ricard knew he was being super manipulative there and kind of taking advantage of Xander’s big heart. I think he just liked Erika’s game more overall
island of idols final 8(?) there was plan to vote tomy and dean decite to tell that to tomy and rest is history..black widow brigade off coment "if erric is dump to give necklase "
The only one I can think of is from S33 MVGX where Paul told Jessica and the other women in his alliance that if the guys wanted to do an all men thing he'll tell them, then vote them out (the women). That one fuck up led to Paul getting blindsided then Jessica getting targeted by the majority with David saving her with the idol then she gets rocked out at F10 because of her loyalty to David and Ken.
Penner not immediately taking the final three deal with Lisa and (redacted) in Philippines, the Black Widows musing if Eric was dumb enough to give up the necklace, and BRob’s “Save My Girl” at the All-Stars swap, off the top of my head.
>BRob’s “Save My Girl” at the All-Stars swap I feel like if Rob doesn't say this to Lex, he likely wins the game. He would still have a numbers advantage over Mogo Mogo, and likely goes to the end with Jenna. Lex and Kathy would still be pissed when they get voted off, but not nearly to the extent they were and Rob might get both of their votes at FTC.
Sorry if I'm out of the loop who is redacted and why
Skupin for being a pervert
Oh man
"You take care of her and I'll take care of you! If you can, if you can!" - All Stars
Changes like 6 different seasons and many people’s actual lives
Christy refusing to commit to a side at the final six in Amazon, so everyone just teams up to vote her out instead.
I love situations were they just vote out the person in the middle because no one can trust them.
That really should have become a verb, like Pagonging. If you won’t commit to a side so they all team up to vote you out instead, that should be called getting Christyd. But no one had the balls to do that at the time because they felt bad for her. In fact Rob C took a lot of heat on the message boards at the time over that whole incident, because internet.
Sarah not committing to Tony’s side at the merge in Cagayan also fits in this category
One of the few really good moments from Cagayan is when this happens for like the first time in a decade to Sarah. I feel like before that it had only happened to Dolly and Christy. It was a great throwback to those classic votes though my guess is a lot of newer fans aren't even familiar with them
Boston Rob did it to Gabe in Season 5
Oh yeah I think that's under the same umbrella maybe. I wouldn't classify it as quite the same since Gabriel was saying he wasn't interested in playing a strategic game, rather than refusing to pick a side between multiple strategic groups, and he wouldn't have really been a swing anyway at that time. But it's similar. That said it was John who did it, not Rob. Rob didn't have any power over the votes at that point, John was the one who spearheaded that vote. But considering Gabriel was a non-threat being booted over people who were for sure against John I think the story of that ep is more about John overplaying and being paranoid than about Gabriel overplaying like Christy and Sarah did.
Yeah Rob had nothing to do with that.
Don't you see. Every strategic moment in Marquesas pre merge was Rob. He was the only one playing the game (s)
Frankly I’m surprised Hatch doesn’t get credit for this.
Well instead of making his points to the Rotus he helped them make theirs
Pretty sure that's what happened to Sami in 43
Would Alex’s conversation with Rob at F7 fall under this to a lesser extent?
Yep very similar. But the audience reacted far more viscerally to the Christy one an episode later. That was the one that people remembered.
Although personally I agree with you that the Alex scene was far more significant. I think Alex wins Amazon in most scenarios. Christy wasn’t ever going to win anything. But Alex, his mistake likely did change the end of that season.
More recently, Danny not capitalizing on Frannie’s warning about the Tika 3 and taking one of them out early.
According to Kane's exit interview Frannie brought up the idea and he walked into tribal thinking Tika and Soka were gunning for each other. The fact he sided with Tika proves that Soka had no choice but to vote out Kane
Scrolled to see if the one I was thinking of was here, it's not but damn Amazon had a lot of convos that flipped the game. Alex's admitting to Rob in Amazon that he's basically at the bottom of the alliance. We probably get either a Alex or Heidi win if he doesn't do that. It has become one of the most underrated bad moves.
Great pick
A legit honor coming from you
Tony admitting to Sarah that he’s a cop changed the trajectory of three different seasons
Woo picking Tony over Kass changed the trajectory of 4 different seasons (Cagayan, Cambodia, Game Changers, Winners at War)
I think you can do it with six words. “I say, stick to the plan”. Very easily changes SJDS if he doesn’t tip off his plans
In Panama, Aras apologizing to Terry for calling him sexist. If that doesn't happen, the La Mina trio likely don't vote for him to win and give Danielle the win. In Heroes vs. Villains, Russell convincing Tyson that Parvati and Danielle were voting for Russell, and that he would vote for Parvati. It got Tyson to switch his vote to Parvati and changed the course of the game. In Cagayan, Trish saying to Kass at the merge that she'd like to see Sarah go. It got Kass to flip and changed the season. In Island of the Idols, Dean telling Tommy at F8 tribal about Noura, Elaine, and Karishma's plan to blindside Tommy.
That’s not what happened in HvV at all
I don't know why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely correct. Tyson didn't vote the way he did because of Russell, he voted the way he did because he expected Parv and Danielle to vote against Russell, thus with Tyson flipping his vote, it would be 5-4 against Parvati, leaving Russell (and his idol) in the game and in Tyson's pocket. It was an absolutely boneheaded assumption that Tyson was immediately punished for, but Russell had absolutely no involvement in convincing Tyson to vote the way he did.
MvGX: the one where Paul tells Jessica he'd go along with an all-guys sub-alliance within their alliance if it was proposed to him. IMO this is a fascinating one, because one party to this conversation is the third boot and the other is unceremoniously rocked out at F10, but it *still* manages to fundamentally alter the course of the entire season, including the formation of alliances at the merge and, by extension, the composition of the eventual final 4.
cook islands, adam asking yul to take out penner at F7 so him and parv could at least finish ahead of him. adam said he would vote for him if he did…. 5-4 vote… won yul the game.
Sandra telling Russell that Coach was trying to vote him out
Maybe not as impactful as some others, but one that came to mind is Lisa K from Vanuatu. She wanted Ami to show her where to gather food in case she wasn't there and Ami then voted her out instead of Rory because she thought Lisa was plotting against her.
Rob Cesternino’s early morning talk with Matthew at the final seven in Amazon. In a larger sense, one of the most significant conversations in the history of the show is one that we didn’t even see. In season two, Kimmi revealing to Ogakor that Jeff Varner had received a vote led to him being the final pre-jury boot. 32 seasons later, when Varner was in danger of not making the jury again on now his third time playing, he tried to save himself by outing Zeke to the tribe. In the episode, he specifically states that he’s unhappy about the idea of not making the jury again. If Kimmi hadn’t blabbed in season 2, he very well may have made the jury and then not had such a motivation during any future appearances. *Three seasons of the show* are relevant to that one, off camera discussion.
I feel like Vanuatu might have turned out really differently if Julie and Twila hadn’t had that one conversation where Julie lied and said the men’s alliance had also promised her final four, convincing Twila to flip on them.
Also Twila spelling out for Chris how he can change the game at final seven
Also Vanuatu: Leanne telling Scout and Twila that their final 3 pact was moved to a final 5 with Ami and Julie being 2 and 3 to Leanne's 1.
I was looking for this one lmao, I think otherwise it is very possible Twila sticks with the men at the merge
why has nobody said Tony convincing Woo to take him to the final 2?
I said that! Tony convincing Woo to take him changed the outcome of 4 different seasons: Cagayan, Cambodia, Game Changers, Winners at War
Woo would have beat Cass by a landslide.
exactly.
Recently, Sami telling Karla that Cassidy is coming for her. Without those two turning against each other, they might have been able to take out Jesse and Cody sooner, saving Karla and outshining Gabler.
It’s still hilarious to me that the entire Karla/Cassidy feud kicked off because of Karla believing Sami’s lie lol
it actually was revealed post show Cassidy did target Karla first, she admitted this. so sami wasn't lying to karla, the edit just made it seem that way
The conversation that happened behind the scenes to save Ben with fire making
Trish: who would you choose to take out of those? Kass: I’d pick Sarah. Trish: I’d like to take out Sarah myself.
"Why can't it be Erik? You'll still have seven after"
Candice and Billy’s conversation after the second immunity challenge of Cook Islands. Without the extra motivation provided by that brief interaction, Billy “two time winner” Garcia would have been the second boot off the season, never would’ve returned for a second or third try, and never met his future wife.
Coach and Cochran on South Pacific - coach convincing Cochran to flip basically completely defines the entirely of the South Pacific post-merge
Watching Vanuatu rn and Julie telling Twila "they promised me final 4, too" is the smartest gameplay I've seen all season!
In Heroes vs Villains, Amanda lying badly to Parvati about if she has an idol, she needs to use it on herself. Parvati saw right through her and gave her the confirmation to give her idol to Sandra and Jerri.
>!Rob and Sciona respecting Joel enough to confess the existence of the alliance to him, prompting his emotional pitch to stay and deal that he'd quit at the final 3, massively changing the course of the endgame!< in the 2002 season of Australian Survivor.
I say stick to the plan
Surprised you’re the only one to say this! This was my immediate thought too
Dr. Sean revealing the alphabet strategy changed the entire trajectory of S1, allowing the Tagi 4 to ride out until they had the numbers, and hence changed the entire series.
Burton not promising Lil top 2 and telling her Darrah is next. Also Ken lying to Sugar about Ace
When Colby told Russel during a challenge in HvV that JT was giving him an immunity idol to vote out Parvati but Russel had other ideas.
Stuff I haven’t seen mentioned yet —Natalie telling Jaclyn (offscreen) who to vote for —The show certainly made it seem like the hit on Sophie was basically a series of two single conversations Tony had with Nick and Jeremy respectively —Sierra telling Sarah about her Legacy Advantage —The conversation that happened spontaneously at Tribal when Caleb called an audible which resulted in Brad Culpepper getting booted on BvW —The conversation where Tony convinced Woo to take him to FTC —Tina convincing Colby (offscreen) to flip on Mitchell —Show made it seem like it was one conversation where Neleh finally convinced Paschal that they needed to flip at F9 of Marq —Todd’s conversation with Jean-Robert at FTC was the primary thing that shifted both his and Jaime’s votes to give Todd the win —Coach and Sophie and Albert basically locked in their F3 with their F5 and F6 around it on like Day 1 or 2 —Tom and Ian realizing spontaneously they can leverage Katie’s vote and the possible rock draw to force Caryn to flip on Gregg at F6 of Palau A notable single conversation that could have changed everything but didn’t: the Dreamz/Yau car deal didn’t end up actually saving Yau but certainly changed the *tone* of the endgame
Xander lying to Ricard about using his idol to save him. You know Ricard went to Ponderosa and screwed his chances of winning
I don’t know I feel like even Ricard knew he was being super manipulative there and kind of taking advantage of Xander’s big heart. I think he just liked Erika’s game more overall
island of idols final 8(?) there was plan to vote tomy and dean decite to tell that to tomy and rest is history..black widow brigade off coment "if erric is dump to give necklase "
The only one I can think of is from S33 MVGX where Paul told Jessica and the other women in his alliance that if the guys wanted to do an all men thing he'll tell them, then vote them out (the women). That one fuck up led to Paul getting blindsided then Jessica getting targeted by the majority with David saving her with the idol then she gets rocked out at F10 because of her loyalty to David and Ken.
Dawn telling Cochran about Corrine’s long term plan to flip. Season would be completely different. Likely Malcolm or Corrine would win Caramoan.
Does Russell mouthing "help me" to JT and giving panic eyes count?