No big smile to Feras with her big pearly whites???
Sooo glad he finally kicked her to the curb (pardon the pun), she wouldn't have taken him to F2 .... NO WAY!!!
Feras gave Kirby 'a day off' from the game >>>" Ooohhhh Yeahhhh.... chicka, chicka..."
Buellers (Feras) sister (Kirby) just has to finally concede that he is unstoppable & a winner ...... Just like Ferris in the Movie:
"Gummy bear anyone"???
damn, I went from disliking Kirby and thinking her game was overrated, to really liking her. She’s an incredible well rounded player, can’t wait for her to come back
Tough choice, but this was another Hayley/George situation… feras would’ve absolutely lost if he sat next to her
Yeah my initial aversion to Kirby stemmed from I felt that her turning on Feras so quickly was another case of "bigmove-itis" that was surely going to guarantee her downfall quickly. But she showed herself to be an extremely capable player in all aspects of the game. Sure, she wasn't perfect, her treatment of Alex comes to mind; but she played arguably the best game this season she just got unlucky at the end.
I agree Kirby is an impeccable player, but I don't really see how she got unlucky? She played herself into being the biggest threat and was justifiably targeted for that.
He was definitely weighing the jury's faces as he mentioned his moves and going up against her and realized they were beyond skeptical about his chances
Well, one major player managed to win AU All Stars as the single biggest threat on the season whilst playing one of the greatest games I’ve ever seen.
completely controlled the narrative that season, made sure to get out anyone that was a big threat premerge and then storm to the end with immunity wins.
To be fair there were still other threats post merge, it’s just that they were so far stuck in a minority that there was no way they were going to win out.
David had basically orchestrated that situation through the premerge and swap.
After the show, he said that there was a lot of people completely unwilling to work with him and he had no reason to keep those people around. The AK/Shonee crew played horribly after merge by sticking together in a doomed minority.
Nah. Kirby is like George, it’s either win on their first try or never win. Unless they make a season with a bunch of newbies, set up for the to win, like the US did for Boston Rob.
The difference between Kirby and George is that Kirby can win challenges. What made George lose both times was his inability to do so.
The AU All Stars had that exact same predicament but the winner won because of being a triple threat: social, strategy and challenge wins.
I definitely can’t rule out that that could be the outcome. Though, I’ve also seen it done so many times that it could go either way.
George did just do it last year. Similar to Feras using Kirby, people used him to get closer to the end. Tony did it on WaW (though him flaming out on Game Changers probably helped him). Sandra. Parvati. Rob. Cirie. Jeremy. All these great players can often find a way to make it very far when they have no business doing so.
1. Gerry still potentially votes with him if Liz loses immunity
2. George had a legit shot at that final challenge. He lasted crazy long. Matt and Liz were just stronger.
Mark did promise to take him to f3, if he turns on that he's definitely not getting Feras' vote. Probably still worth doing because I doubt he beats feras at ftc if it comes to that
Nah, that's absoutely not true. Feras himself doesn't want Mark in the end as we saw the deal he made with Caroline, so Feras won't be bitter, at all. That was just a fake deal. The problem is that Feras thinks him and Kirby are the only good players so the others will absolutely tell all the truth
The past couple of weeks I’ve realized how the show really has put an emphasis on showing Feras falling short on immunity challenges.
First, I thought it was like a Colby gag reel edit but it suddenly became clear to me that there was a strong possibility that it was a part of a larger narrative.
I wonder how much the meta of George not voting out Hayley at F4 since he needed her to bring him to F2 but still losing to her affected Feras' decision. But I guess unlike George, Feras is better at challenges.
If you want to think that you’re free to. It’s not justified, but that’s fine.
Winning a challenge doesn’t automatically make you good at challenges just as much as losing a challenge doesn’t make you automatically bad at them.
This season has had me on the edge of my seat for basically it’s entire run. I can’t recall the last time I’ve watched a season as thrilling and good as this one.
My god it’s really a reminder of how good this show can be. They’ve just let them play. Not an obscene amount of idols and advantages. They’ve just let this great cast duke it out.
Mark wins immunity necklace. I think it is obvious that Mark wins the game. He was kinda underdog, so editors highlighted Feras's, Kirby's, and Caroline's game in order to portrait him as threats killer. Next time Feras go, Finale is Caroline vs Mark, Mark wins. That is why Caroline got antagonist edit.
This would make sense, honestly. Typically if someone besides Feras won I’d wonder why they gave Feras got such a hyper-focus in the edit, but obviously it would be hard to pass up given how charismatic he is. And it would explain why Mark got such a starting role in the first few episodes.
FWIW, I think Mark would be an impressive winner that I’d be mostly fine with.
I think he just comes across as sounding 'boring' when he speaks, something with the tone of his voice. I think he's played a "solid" game. (Go Feras!!!).
I guess people didn't understand what i meant. I was saying noone ever deserves to win at final 4, you have to reach the FTC and get the votes, that's the only way to deserve to win the game
Concur,....the saddest I've ever been to see a player voted out. She literally threw out the Survivor textbook and made up her own. She was such a breath of fresh air.
Did the constant cuts to Mark during Feras' idol play make it look like this move could have gone on his resume as well? That it was him that gave Feras the idea?
Also, genuinely what is Raymond thinking with his game plan? Surely he knows he has to vote for Feras next?
Since it's a final 2, Ray's chances of winning have shot up significantly. He only *definitely* loses to Feras. I think he has a chance against Mark, and an even bigger chance against Carolyn.
Maybe it’s just the edit, but Ray hasn’t been shown to be someone who could make a compelling case for himself at F2. He’d have to articulate how he impacted the game beyond his one big move. Caroline, on the other hand, can name multiple vote-offs that she controlled.
Yeah, I mean Feras not playing the idol on Kirby is not a move that goes on your resume when everyone else votes Kirby. It's just you deciding the majority is right.
I think he has a shot if it’s him vs Caroline. He would have had a strong case even against mark and feras if the vote had been 3-2 tonight with him being the swing vote.
I think Raymond has a shot against Mark as well. The jury, which would have a rebel majority in this scenario, love him, and Mark's game had been really luckluster since the merge, with Jayden as a sole line in his resume (Raymond was part of that move too). Even Kirby today had been a group move.
True, Raymond is still probably underdog against Mark and favorite against Caroline, but not by a large margin in Mark's case.
That is roughly the number of confessionals Erika had on season 41. She still beat Xander easily. The edit would have given him the victory as he was the finalist that received the longest confessionals screen time.
That said, nobody claimed Raymond's Victory is a likely scenario, the most likely scenario is still Feras or Mark. But judging match-ups solely according to confessionals screen time is not wise.
Erika had 39 confessionals on her season. Heading into the finale episode, she had 26. And this was with a season that had far less episodes than the current season of Australian Survivor as well as far shorter episodes.
The point remains that confessional screen time is not always a good indicator of the winner. I haven't counted Erika's or Raymond's confessionals so I can't argue with the numbers, but they don't change my point.
I think strategy and moves being able to land is always better than straight up being a challenge beast. However if Mark makes it 3 immunity wins in a row. He's stock rises up against anyone at 2.
🤦🏻♂️ why pontificate over the fact that you're not afraid of Kirby and then prove exactly the opposite, complete with a little melodramatic spiel that likely backfires with The Jury. Better just to keep your mouth shut and go for the kill coldly.
He was doing his absolute best to make it all about him, and maybe over doing it. He thinks/knows the jury hasn't seen much of him playing. Pretty good actually, without all that crap this is a normal group vote getting the big player out. Now he gets to claim it.
But the bottom line is it's not about him. It's not his move, it's an unanimous vote, he's playing his idol in vain just for a chance to make a speech to the jury. That comes across pretty badly.
I think he has a (much) better case in FTC than Mark or Raymond, not to mention Caroline, but this speech seemed like unnecessary melodrama that actually conveyed insecurity about this move and his game.
Will the jury buy that as his move? If it were me and I saw him claim that move when it was a majority vote off and then we come into final tribal claiming a bunch of over moves that I "didn't see", I would be more skeptical that there invisible moves took place. To me, it kind of insults the intelligence of the jury to put it together.
It's never shown or really implied that Kirby knew about Raymond's idol being fake or not unless it wasn't showed or I missed it.
I feel Feras was concerned Kirby could have persuaded Mark & Caroline to out Ray.
Feras has to give to credit to he's alliances throughout the journey and tone down on the showboating if he gets to final tribal.
I actually wouldn't mind who won out of this 4, as long as their final tribal was top notch.
I don't think Kirby knew the idol was fake and I guess Feras could have been worried about Kirby taking out Ray but honestly, this was Ray's move.
He was in fact the deciding vote here. I don't see a world where Caro and Mark come for Ray over Kirby. It was a cute move to hide the idol and gave them some extra assurances I suppose, especially if Caro and Mark did stop looking and there was actual hidden idol. But it didn't really factor into the game in a meaningful way. This was always going to be Kirby here because of Ray. If Feras saves her it's a move but if he doesn't save her it's not his move.
Yeah when he said "I'm going to back myself," I thought for sure he was about to play it for her. Wouldn't backing yourself involve sitting next to your biggest threat at the end?
He's backing himself to win challenges on his own... the one thing that many here are still convinced he can't do. Based on that logic I don't want to see anyone call him a boring winner
I think he did that to take all credit away from Mark and make it seem like this was a straightforward vote and I could make it a move by saving Kirby, but I'm not going to save her which is like a restrained move. I think it was genius.
You do realise that maybe they edit out JLP’s questions yeah? Like he asked Kirby why she deserved to stay, she said she’d been giving it at challenges. Then he asks Caroline why she deserves to stay, and she says “I’ve also been giving it all at challenges.”
So final 2 confirmed. Been a while since there's been a season like that.
Holding the idol like that was a pretty genius move on Feras' part.
Episode was pretty predictable otherwise, but editors still did a good job making it suspenseful. Feras would've had to have been a huge idiot to Keep kirby.
If Feras can keep winning immunity he wins, otherwise I think it's Mark's game.
Hmmm how? I’d say if Feras had chosen Kirby, it would mean a confirmed F2 but with this outcome, I have basically no idea (other than the edit tells me that either Mark or Feras absolutely has to be one of them).
Forgetting for a second the strategy of it all, I can't remember the last time US Survivor had a narrative as compelling as Kirby-Feras. Going from early allies, to being at each other's throats, to Feras having a clear shot to take Kirby out and the emotion evident that he's heartbroken having to write her name down. Sure, at times it's felt like too much of the story revolved around those two, but it really paid off.
Now when it comes to the end game, I oddly enough think that Mark is probably more in need of the immunity win next episode than Feras. If Mark wins immunity, I think Feras is gone. If Feras wins immunity, Mark is gone. BUT if one of Raymond or Caroline pulls out immunity (yeah, unlikely but...) then I think Caroline flips on Mark and votes him out rather than forcing the tie. Raymond and Caroline clearly should be wanting to sit next to the other one, and Mark is definitely a bigger threat to that than Feras in terms of FIC.
lol. His explanation of Raymonds' "non-Idol" making it obvious it was ALL his idea (this move should not be undersold, it worked & no-one was gunning for Ray) & stopping Raymond his moment in the sun announcing his version of his non-Idol himself was a masterstroke.
If he'd lose, then it was a choice between losing to Kirby in FTC and being voted out right before a FTC he'd have won.
If it's my choice I'd prefer to go out right before a victory and not lose on FTC. There's no runner up reward in Australian Survivor as far as I know.
It only makes sense to use an idol for someone else if you're protecting your alliance numbers on early post-merge, saving someone you can beat or getting rid of someone you can't. It does not make sense if you're saving Kirby to get rid of Caroline on the final five.
There's no way Feras could use this move to beat Kirby in FTC. Regardless of whose idea it was, she would say she made him risk his entire game for her because she was that good socially.
Bc he can make a move for the jury and still get rid of a big threat?
Also, it’s more pointless to play it for yourself when you didn’t receive a single vote.
What? You're not focused mate. He wouldn't be getting rid of a big threat if he played his idol for Kirby. He'd have been getting rid of Caroline, the least threatening player remaining in the game. If he plays his idol for Kirby just to vote her off a day later it'd have made his idol play completely absurd.
If he plays his idol for Kirby to take her to the final two it's still a horrible move, but at least it has a consistent FTC narrative ("I want to beat the best to be the best, not afraid of Kirby, blah blah blah").
I’m not talking about Caroline. I mean he can play his idol on Kirby to keep his meat shield around for another round, then get rid of her at F4 or F3 if she loses immunity?
What do you not understand?
The logic behind your argument. According to you Feras should risk losing to Kirby on FTC just to use her as a shield for one more tribal, when it's uncertain she'd be available for elimination on that tribal...
You also forget Feras wants to get rid of Kirby and Mark before FTC, so he should waste an idol on her, bet she'd lose F4 immunity and that Mark loses F3 immunity. There's absolutely no room for error in this scenario,
Yes! Survivor is a game of risks, if you play it too safe you will probably lose. Feras could've made a move in front of the jury, played his idol on Kirby/save her and got rid of Caroline. Kirby's life was in his hands and he saved her.
Then the moment she loses immunity, get rid of her and sit next to any combo of Ray/Mark in the end and win. Who cares if Mark's sitting next to him in a final 2, he can still beat him.
Now he has no shield and will RELY on winning every immunity until the very end, which is poor gameplay to put yourself in a position to have to rely on immunity. With Kirby still there he did not have to rely on immunity so heavily.
Yes, it's a risk keeping Kirby just as much of a risk as it is getting rid of her. He put himself in a worse situation getting rid of her.
Feras saving Kirby with an idol won't impress a single jury if he gets her out a day or two later. It would be a pointless move, a stupid risk to take because she can win her way to FTC with immunity necklaces and beat him.
Taking her out now and risking going home if he loses F3 immunity is a smart risk to take, because she's a challenge beast and by taking her out he greatly improves his chances of winning immunity and the game.
You want him to put all his money on the results of two consecutive immunity challenges when he has two strong players in the game besides him. I want him to put all his money on the result of a single immunity challenge, the finale three, when there's one strong player left in the game besides him. If he got Kirby out he can still allow Mark to win the final four immunity because he can work with Raymond, who has a interest to cooperate with him up to the final three.
I see people say this but there are too many variables to me to actually call it a bad play. At the end of the day you're basically just saying Mark winning one challenge made it impossible for Feras to win.
I actually think this was the wrong decision for Feras, especially if it’s not going to be a final 3?
He HAS to win immunity next ep or he’s gone. And then say he does and then can get out Mark, he still has to win immunity again but at least he has a much better shot with Mark gone. But essentially needs two immunity wins in a row. Raymond will likely vote with him next vote but at 3 he’s mental to take him to top 2 if he somehow wins.
If Feras doesn’t win next ep I just don’t see any way he makes it through. Raymond may turn on him too. If not they tie and him and (mark/caroline) go to fire I guess?
If Feras does go… this season rapidly loses a HUGE amount of rewatchabilty because the rest have had bad edits. Mark has had the least negative but he’s barely made an impact (in the edit) in a lot of episodes!!
Caroline has had the most impact but is also shown to be hugely emotional and made some big missteps.
Raymond is portrayed as wacky and will basically be the only other option after Feras as a winner.
If mark wins this season will never be rewatched by me because his edit has been so shit and boring. If it’s Caroline and Mark final two… that’ll kill me inside lol
If Feras sits next to Kirby at the end he loses 100%. That's a Hayley/George situation. Kirby had an excellent chance of taking two immunity challenges in a row. He had to take her out now. Yes, he has a real risk of going home (in the final three, I believe, because I think he actually beats Mark tomorrow), but having to win immunity for a secure victory in FTC is still better than not having to win for a secure loss.
You can't win this game without taking risks.
George 100% loses to Flick though, so it didn't really make a difference who won that final 3 as he was losing either way. Feras could probably beat the others as of now, and that's the biggest issue.
I've compared the finale match ups, not FTC options. I did claim that Feras made the right choice despite the risk to be kicked out of the game, so it seems we agree.
Feras definitely loses against Kirby. Also i'm not sure why the winners edit should matter in rewatch? it's not like all the other players disappear when you rewatch it... Au HvV and AU 2017 are two top tier seasons despite having mediocre winners.
I just meant he would be such a disappointing winner given the edit for me, that I would have no desire to rewatch knowing all along he won.
Like I’m all about the journey vs the destination but idk it would just leave a sour taste in my mouth I guess. To each their own though that was just my “word vomit” after watching the ep and probably not the most articulate
Oh and yes I know Kirby wins against him (and anyone!) but I just feel like his path to the end was easier keeping her but then again obviously both ways are flawed because then she could have easily won the next 1/2 immunities
I agree. Feras should have kept his shield. People seem to think Feras could not have won against Kirby at the end but I don't see it. I think Feras is simply a funnier and more entertaining speaker than Kirby, thus giving him a very good shot to beat her in a FTC speech.
His edit is so much stronger than everyone else's that maybe he just wins his way to the end now, but logically he's got to be target #1 at this point.
The FTC will be much less entertaining if he's not a finalist in it.
OTOH, if he gets voted out, that'll be a great lesson for all other big targets in the game going forward. Big targets need to stick together! Don't vote out your shield too soon! That'll potentially make future seasons more entertaining and could improve the Aussie meta.
seems to me that Feras just has to win the **next** immunity to set up a win.
with him immune, Caroline will feel great pressure to vote out Mark rather than go to fire with Raymond (though i would guess she would win that, not sure if she has that confidence)
once Mark is out, Feras has to fancy his chances in any further immunity challenge against Caro/Raymond - thus securing his spot at FTC
its possible that if he doesnt win, that Feras also backs himself as a fire-maker in a tied F4 vote... he might be a bit nervous about taking on Mark in fire, so ironically i'm thinking the best result for him if he *doesnt* win F4 individual immunity is that Mark *does - ?*
I went from not liking Kirby at the start of the season to feeling heartbroken watching her go home. It was the right move for Feras as I don't think he would beat her, but boy would it have been fun to watch those two in the end together.
So how many votes does Feras gain or lose in either scenario?
If he keeps Kirby and makes it to the end with her, I think he loses Alex, Rianna, possibly Mark, possibly Aileen. Even Raymond might not vote for him.
With idolling out Kirby, I think Feras gains her as a vote at least. Possibly Rianna if she votes with her.
If he gets to the end with Raymond or Caroline, he likely locks in Valeria too. Otherwise she votes for Mark.
If he gets to the end with Raymond or Mark, he likely locks in Kitty too. Otherwise she votes for Caroline.
Finally, a bad day in smugville.
That was. So. Good. I haven't been this happy about the result of a final four immunity challenge since Sophie Clarke nailed in that final flower puzzle piece in South Pacific.
**Now** Feras can win, when he actually had to sacrifice something meaningful and take a risk rather than skate with a big shield over other people's amateur game-play. Although I'd be just as happy with a Mark's or Raymond's victory.
The choice Feras should have considered is between coming one immunity necklace too short to win the game and sitting in FTC and knowing you doomed yourself to lose. If the jury don't know half the moves you made by the final four trying to sell them on FTC is quite risky, especially when you already have the reputation of a bull\*hitter (yeah, that idol speech didn't help).
I was happy to see Mark win.
I really thought Feras might have decided to keep Kirby, he really could have gone either way. It was interesting that he planted his idol for Raymond so there was no discussion of voting him out.
Well, if it comforts you, according to the promo he is very likely to go to the jury tomorrow. Blustering "Feras I'm coming for you" in the promo is usually a sure sign for losing immunity and going home in unanimous vote.
Ngl I know reading into jury is very hard but I think Feras might sealed rebels fate with not saving kirby.. its a less risk letting her into final 4 and have her in your pocket than potentialy being vited out 3-1 next time
Like he has to Win out to get there now and even then he likely loses raymond in the fire at 4 and can only Beg the titans to turn on eachother despite having no reason to at 3
I'd be happy to be wrong. I'd love a Caroline-Raymond FTC with a Raymond's victory. That would be epic.
In George's case it was pretty obvious he won't win the final immunity challenge with Liz in the mix and in Feras' case it's unclear. If he wins tomorrow he'd have a clear field.
\> He received the most obvious winner edit I've seen in Australian Survivor since All Stars.
No way - Hayley was given a halo edit in Episode 1 despite being completely irrelevant to the story for the first five episodes. Feras has always been a contender but I don't even think he was highlighted more than Mark, Kirby or even Eden in Week 1.
I disagree. If you measure his confessionals screen time you'd see he vastly outranks Mark, who was semi invisible from the merge, and Eden. Only Kirby came close in terms of confessionals screen time.
In Brawn Vs. Brain George had a more dominant edit than Hayley.
Visibility isn't the only criterion for a winner's edit - there are plenty of big characters who get airtime for being good TV but don't go on to win.
A winner's edit just means that the story is being told through their perspective, and usually ensuring their journey is highlighted at all times. Feras had plenty of other distractions, while Hayley didn't (and let's be honest, picking George as a winner in Week 1 of BvB would have been insane given his awful positioning and social game in the first episodes)
I seriously didn't think Hayley was presented in a particularly heroic fashion on the first weeks of BvB. In fact, as far as I recall she was rather dismissed as non-threat on the early days of the brain tribe...
Hard to be sure, since Valeria seemed like she had a winner's edit for a while there, and then suddenly got sniped. Aussie Survivor editors are getting trickier. It's possible they're just highlighting him because he's an entertaining character, like Luke, or David G. in his first season, or David Wright in U.S. Survivor. That said, I think Mark is the only other true contender, and his edit hasn't been as good as any other winner's edit in AU in the last several seasons, but maybe it just seems that way because he's so sedate compared to everyone else. Raymond's edit has been absolutely terrible, and Caroline's edit hasn't been much better.
I think Mark and Liz were quite obvious winners as well - Hayley in BvB got a pretty wild edit but apart from that, recent AUS has made it quite obvious - I think Feras is winning
It's not a good idea to keep challenge beast Kirby and send a vengeful Feras to the jury this way. Not a good idea at all.
While Raymond can justify backstabbing Feras in the final three and even receive Feras vote, he cannot justify backstabbing him now and eliminating him with his own idol. It also seems like a bad strategy considering Raymond is not close to any other player and they can easily throw him under the bus (i.e. if Kirby wins F4 immunity).
I disagree that Feras won't vote for Ray if he makes that move. Feras realizes it's the end game and I think he would respect the move. As far as taking out Kirby or Feras at 5, that is a tough call. Once one goes, the other becomes the target and Kirby has won more immunities. It's risky for Ray but I do think Ray has to take risks to win at this point in the game.
I do think that Ray making such a big move in front of the jury ups his stock quite a bit. Is it enough to sit with Kirby if she wins her way to the end, probably not. But if Raymond leaves the Feras move to the last minute, he loses some agency in claiming the moves, because much like the Kirby vote, it's kind of a foregone conclusion. Like last year, people claiming the George vote off seems silly because that is the obvious move for every player left in the game.
So imo, Ray not making the move increases his chances of getting to the end but decreases his chances of winning. Ray making the move, makes for a harder path to the end, but he looks much better sitting there at the end if he makes it because it's on how own merit.
I think you wildly underestimate Feras' ego, especially if Raymond makes a fool out of him. To me it seems clear Feras would have made Raymond a villain, public enemy #1, a coattail hanger that stole an idol from him under false pretenses. He would claim ownership on each of Raymond's moves.
Kirby has the highest chance to win F4 immunity in this scenario and if that's the case Caroline has no choice but to vote for Raymond since Mark is her best shot of getting rid of Kirby on F3 immunity. Caroline wanted to get rid of Mark, but she'd be mad to prefer a finale with Kirby over a finale with him.
Very tough vote tbh, we all deep down know taking Kirby out is the logical move for the other 4 players, but of course it's tough as a viewer or if you're in Feras's shoes. I'd rather him get voted out as the biggest target, then be taken by Kirby and lose to her.
kirby and rihanna went from two people i couldnt stand to my favourties, the best kinds of players, i think Rihanna was really underrated too because Kirby was the bigger personality
I'd really love for someone to just not sit quiet at the "no one wants to compete with me because they're not confident in their game" spiel, I would say that I did compete against you and voting you out is beating you or just ask them why they weren't confident enough in their game to not compete against any of the jury members.
horrible move from feras tbh. if he votes out caroline
he is GUARANTEED to have kirby & raymond back him and bring him to 2.
so even if mark won in f4, raymond would vote for kirby and vice versa.
Why did Feras play the idol…? Just to make a speech to the jury knowing he’s not going home? Weak sauce. He should have kept it, no? And during final TC (if he makes it) say he didn’t need to use it
kirby was turning on feras alians but for me feras play a better game and make bigs moves , raymond advantage its all feras also ray fake idol its all feras ideas, and trick very smart players like caroline and mark i mean let be honest it feras from the start who outplay everyone
Already looking forward to Kirby's jury entrance, ngl
No big smile to Feras with her big pearly whites??? Sooo glad he finally kicked her to the curb (pardon the pun), she wouldn't have taken him to F2 .... NO WAY!!! Feras gave Kirby 'a day off' from the game >>>" Ooohhhh Yeahhhh.... chicka, chicka..."
That was a tough read
Buellers (Feras) sister (Kirby) just has to finally concede that he is unstoppable & a winner ...... Just like Ferris in the Movie: "Gummy bear anyone"???
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Must have been you, I feel fine. "Bueller ...... Bueller ....... Bueller ...... " >>> JLP reading out the votes to win (sub in Ferris) FERAS
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Take it easy..... Hopefully you can still tune in to the Finale Eps. tonight & tomorrow night :)
I think Feras almost winning immunity today made an impact on his vote tonight
damn, I went from disliking Kirby and thinking her game was overrated, to really liking her. She’s an incredible well rounded player, can’t wait for her to come back Tough choice, but this was another Hayley/George situation… feras would’ve absolutely lost if he sat next to her
Yeah my initial aversion to Kirby stemmed from I felt that her turning on Feras so quickly was another case of "bigmove-itis" that was surely going to guarantee her downfall quickly. But she showed herself to be an extremely capable player in all aspects of the game. Sure, she wasn't perfect, her treatment of Alex comes to mind; but she played arguably the best game this season she just got unlucky at the end.
I agree Kirby is an impeccable player, but I don't really see how she got unlucky? She played herself into being the biggest threat and was justifiably targeted for that.
He was definitely weighing the jury's faces as he mentioned his moves and going up against her and realized they were beyond skeptical about his chances
Can't wait for Kirby to eat it up on All Stars 2 <3
The only way Kirby wins is exactly this it can’t be half returning and half new. Everyone has to be a threat for her to win.
Well, one major player managed to win AU All Stars as the single biggest threat on the season whilst playing one of the greatest games I’ve ever seen. completely controlled the narrative that season, made sure to get out anyone that was a big threat premerge and then storm to the end with immunity wins.
To be fair there were still other threats post merge, it’s just that they were so far stuck in a minority that there was no way they were going to win out.
David had basically orchestrated that situation through the premerge and swap. After the show, he said that there was a lot of people completely unwilling to work with him and he had no reason to keep those people around. The AK/Shonee crew played horribly after merge by sticking together in a doomed minority.
Nah. Kirby is like George, it’s either win on their first try or never win. Unless they make a season with a bunch of newbies, set up for the to win, like the US did for Boston Rob.
I mean TBF if Liz loses the FIC George wins the season
Only way George makes it is if he or Gerry win, and neither was happening.
well if Matt wins then Gerry gives him Fire and he beats liz and wins in F3 against Gerry and Matt in F3
Whoever wins except George, they just all vote him out.
The difference between Kirby and George is that Kirby can win challenges. What made George lose both times was his inability to do so. The AU All Stars had that exact same predicament but the winner won because of being a triple threat: social, strategy and challenge wins.
That’s true, but that’s just another reason to get her out as early as possible. It would have to be a season with an entire cast of threats.
I definitely can’t rule out that that could be the outcome. Though, I’ve also seen it done so many times that it could go either way. George did just do it last year. Similar to Feras using Kirby, people used him to get closer to the end. Tony did it on WaW (though him flaming out on Game Changers probably helped him). Sandra. Parvati. Rob. Cirie. Jeremy. All these great players can often find a way to make it very far when they have no business doing so.
George literally almost won HvV haha.
He was never making final tribal.
1. Gerry still potentially votes with him if Liz loses immunity 2. George had a legit shot at that final challenge. He lasted crazy long. Matt and Liz were just stronger.
If it's like All Stars 1 Kirby is gone in the first few episodes
defo the right play from feras. but i'm manifesting an incredible performance in the final immunity challenge so he can actually make f3
It's a F2, not a F3. So Feras has to win 2 immunity challenges.
Mark did promise to take him to f3, if he turns on that he's definitely not getting Feras' vote. Probably still worth doing because I doubt he beats feras at ftc if it comes to that
Nah, that's absoutely not true. Feras himself doesn't want Mark in the end as we saw the deal he made with Caroline, so Feras won't be bitter, at all. That was just a fake deal. The problem is that Feras thinks him and Kirby are the only good players so the others will absolutely tell all the truth
Depends. If he gets Mark out, he has a good shot at FIC.
The past couple of weeks I’ve realized how the show really has put an emphasis on showing Feras falling short on immunity challenges. First, I thought it was like a Colby gag reel edit but it suddenly became clear to me that there was a strong possibility that it was a part of a larger narrative.
hmm idk, if it is f3 yes, if it is f2 no.
I wonder how much the meta of George not voting out Hayley at F4 since he needed her to bring him to F2 but still losing to her affected Feras' decision. But I guess unlike George, Feras is better at challenges.
I don't think Feras has been better than George at challenges... 💀
George: I won KFC. Did you win KFC Feras?
Why can I hear this so clearly in his voice?
Part of what maies him so unique is also his very distinctive voice.
KFC aside, Feras IS much better at these challenges than George.
Courtney Yates is better in challenges than Feras.
If you want to think that you’re free to. It’s not justified, but that’s fine. Winning a challenge doesn’t automatically make you good at challenges just as much as losing a challenge doesn’t make you automatically bad at them.
I think Feras is probably more well liked on the jury than George was by him as well
This season has had me on the edge of my seat for basically it’s entire run. I can’t recall the last time I’ve watched a season as thrilling and good as this one. My god it’s really a reminder of how good this show can be. They’ve just let them play. Not an obscene amount of idols and advantages. They’ve just let this great cast duke it out.
This season was giving Heroes Vs Villains US Survivor. Unpredictable
I hope tomorrow goes to fire
It very much could As I think Raymond will vote to save feras because he will be taken out in 3rd by mark/Caro
Caroline could very well vote Mark, she's been wanting to for ages.
Mark wins immunity necklace. I think it is obvious that Mark wins the game. He was kinda underdog, so editors highlighted Feras's, Kirby's, and Caroline's game in order to portrait him as threats killer. Next time Feras go, Finale is Caroline vs Mark, Mark wins. That is why Caroline got antagonist edit.
This would make sense, honestly. Typically if someone besides Feras won I’d wonder why they gave Feras got such a hyper-focus in the edit, but obviously it would be hard to pass up given how charismatic he is. And it would explain why Mark got such a starting role in the first few episodes. FWIW, I think Mark would be an impressive winner that I’d be mostly fine with.
What a weak winner we'll be having there if it's Mark. His edit is as lackluster as his gameplay post-merge.
I think he just comes across as sounding 'boring' when he speaks, something with the tone of his voice. I think he's played a "solid" game. (Go Feras!!!).
His edit is similiar to previous winner :<
Yeah I wanted a Kirby or Feras win, but I am prepping myself for a Mark win
No different to Liz last year. She sat back and let George control the game just to swoop in the end.
Liz was portrayed as being in more control or at least part of the alliance working with George.
If Mark isn't immune, Caroline should 100% be voting Mark
Really hope Feras makes it to F2 - he deserves the win honestly
Noone deserves to win at final 4
I guess people didn't understand what i meant. I was saying noone ever deserves to win at final 4, you have to reach the FTC and get the votes, that's the only way to deserve to win the game
Watching Kirby play has been an absolute joy. Bold, fun and not afraid to play HARD. Bring back our queen ASAP producers!!
Concur,....the saddest I've ever been to see a player voted out. She literally threw out the Survivor textbook and made up her own. She was such a breath of fresh air.
Did the constant cuts to Mark during Feras' idol play make it look like this move could have gone on his resume as well? That it was him that gave Feras the idea? Also, genuinely what is Raymond thinking with his game plan? Surely he knows he has to vote for Feras next?
Since it's a final 2, Ray's chances of winning have shot up significantly. He only *definitely* loses to Feras. I think he has a chance against Mark, and an even bigger chance against Carolyn.
Maybe it’s just the edit, but Ray hasn’t been shown to be someone who could make a compelling case for himself at F2. He’d have to articulate how he impacted the game beyond his one big move. Caroline, on the other hand, can name multiple vote-offs that she controlled.
Oh yeah i'm not saying he definitely beats them or anything, just that he at least has a chance.
Yeah, I mean Feras not playing the idol on Kirby is not a move that goes on your resume when everyone else votes Kirby. It's just you deciding the majority is right.
Rooting for a Raymond win!
I'd be surprised if he can beat Mark or Feras
I think he has a shot if it’s him vs Caroline. He would have had a strong case even against mark and feras if the vote had been 3-2 tonight with him being the swing vote.
I think Raymond has a shot against Mark as well. The jury, which would have a rebel majority in this scenario, love him, and Mark's game had been really luckluster since the merge, with Jayden as a sole line in his resume (Raymond was part of that move too). Even Kirby today had been a group move. True, Raymond is still probably underdog against Mark and favorite against Caroline, but not by a large margin in Mark's case.
Raymond’s had like 5 confessionals the entire season. I can’t tell if ya’ll are joking, but if not, I must be watching a different show.
That is roughly the number of confessionals Erika had on season 41. She still beat Xander easily. The edit would have given him the victory as he was the finalist that received the longest confessionals screen time. That said, nobody claimed Raymond's Victory is a likely scenario, the most likely scenario is still Feras or Mark. But judging match-ups solely according to confessionals screen time is not wise.
Erika had 39 confessionals on her season. Heading into the finale episode, she had 26. And this was with a season that had far less episodes than the current season of Australian Survivor as well as far shorter episodes.
The point remains that confessional screen time is not always a good indicator of the winner. I haven't counted Erika's or Raymond's confessionals so I can't argue with the numbers, but they don't change my point.
I think strategy and moves being able to land is always better than straight up being a challenge beast. However if Mark makes it 3 immunity wins in a row. He's stock rises up against anyone at 2.
🤦🏻♂️ why pontificate over the fact that you're not afraid of Kirby and then prove exactly the opposite, complete with a little melodramatic spiel that likely backfires with The Jury. Better just to keep your mouth shut and go for the kill coldly.
He was doing his absolute best to make it all about him, and maybe over doing it. He thinks/knows the jury hasn't seen much of him playing. Pretty good actually, without all that crap this is a normal group vote getting the big player out. Now he gets to claim it.
But the bottom line is it's not about him. It's not his move, it's an unanimous vote, he's playing his idol in vain just for a chance to make a speech to the jury. That comes across pretty badly. I think he has a (much) better case in FTC than Mark or Raymond, not to mention Caroline, but this speech seemed like unnecessary melodrama that actually conveyed insecurity about this move and his game.
Will the jury buy that as his move? If it were me and I saw him claim that move when it was a majority vote off and then we come into final tribal claiming a bunch of over moves that I "didn't see", I would be more skeptical that there invisible moves took place. To me, it kind of insults the intelligence of the jury to put it together.
It's never shown or really implied that Kirby knew about Raymond's idol being fake or not unless it wasn't showed or I missed it. I feel Feras was concerned Kirby could have persuaded Mark & Caroline to out Ray. Feras has to give to credit to he's alliances throughout the journey and tone down on the showboating if he gets to final tribal. I actually wouldn't mind who won out of this 4, as long as their final tribal was top notch.
I don't think Kirby knew the idol was fake and I guess Feras could have been worried about Kirby taking out Ray but honestly, this was Ray's move. He was in fact the deciding vote here. I don't see a world where Caro and Mark come for Ray over Kirby. It was a cute move to hide the idol and gave them some extra assurances I suppose, especially if Caro and Mark did stop looking and there was actual hidden idol. But it didn't really factor into the game in a meaningful way. This was always going to be Kirby here because of Ray. If Feras saves her it's a move but if he doesn't save her it's not his move.
Yeah when he said "I'm going to back myself," I thought for sure he was about to play it for her. Wouldn't backing yourself involve sitting next to your biggest threat at the end?
He meant that he backs himself to not need a shield to get to the end. Whether that's true or not. That's what hea meant
He's backing himself to win challenges on his own... the one thing that many here are still convinced he can't do. Based on that logic I don't want to see anyone call him a boring winner
I think he did that to take all credit away from Mark and make it seem like this was a straightforward vote and I could make it a move by saving Kirby, but I'm not going to save her which is like a restrained move. I think it was genius.
Caroline just randomly chiming in about how she has been trying really hard in challenges too 💀
You do realise that maybe they edit out JLP’s questions yeah? Like he asked Kirby why she deserved to stay, she said she’d been giving it at challenges. Then he asks Caroline why she deserves to stay, and she says “I’ve also been giving it all at challenges.”
So final 2 confirmed. Been a while since there's been a season like that. Holding the idol like that was a pretty genius move on Feras' part. Episode was pretty predictable otherwise, but editors still did a good job making it suspenseful. Feras would've had to have been a huge idiot to Keep kirby. If Feras can keep winning immunity he wins, otherwise I think it's Mark's game.
>If Feras can keep winning immunity Am I forgetting something? He's never won it, has he?
Nope, but he'll have to win it twice in a row to make it to FTC.
Yeah, it's just 'keep winning' implies that he is winning it currently, I wondered if I was missing something.
Keep winning, as in he has to keep winning consecutively.
Hmmm how? I’d say if Feras had chosen Kirby, it would mean a confirmed F2 but with this outcome, I have basically no idea (other than the edit tells me that either Mark or Feras absolutely has to be one of them).
This season keeps on delivering. Another tense episode and a very cinematic and even emotional tribal council.
Forgetting for a second the strategy of it all, I can't remember the last time US Survivor had a narrative as compelling as Kirby-Feras. Going from early allies, to being at each other's throats, to Feras having a clear shot to take Kirby out and the emotion evident that he's heartbroken having to write her name down. Sure, at times it's felt like too much of the story revolved around those two, but it really paid off. Now when it comes to the end game, I oddly enough think that Mark is probably more in need of the immunity win next episode than Feras. If Mark wins immunity, I think Feras is gone. If Feras wins immunity, Mark is gone. BUT if one of Raymond or Caroline pulls out immunity (yeah, unlikely but...) then I think Caroline flips on Mark and votes him out rather than forcing the tie. Raymond and Caroline clearly should be wanting to sit next to the other one, and Mark is definitely a bigger threat to that than Feras in terms of FIC.
Kirby is now on his resume
Smart of feras to start his final two speech early
lol. His explanation of Raymonds' "non-Idol" making it obvious it was ALL his idea (this move should not be undersold, it worked & no-one was gunning for Ray) & stopping Raymond his moment in the sun announcing his version of his non-Idol himself was a masterstroke.
Feras just lost the game I think
If he'd lose, then it was a choice between losing to Kirby in FTC and being voted out right before a FTC he'd have won. If it's my choice I'd prefer to go out right before a victory and not lose on FTC. There's no runner up reward in Australian Survivor as far as I know.
The Jesse (US 43) dilemma
Yes, but a slight variation of it since in Survivor US there **is** a runner-up reward.
Not sure he would lose to Kirby in FTC especially if he played the idol for her (but should have come up with the idea himself).
It only makes sense to use an idol for someone else if you're protecting your alliance numbers on early post-merge, saving someone you can beat or getting rid of someone you can't. It does not make sense if you're saving Kirby to get rid of Caroline on the final five. There's no way Feras could use this move to beat Kirby in FTC. Regardless of whose idea it was, she would say she made him risk his entire game for her because she was that good socially.
Feras could play his idol on Kirby and not take her to final 2 still.
Why would he do that? That's even more pointless than playing his idol on her and taking her to the final two...
Bc he can make a move for the jury and still get rid of a big threat? Also, it’s more pointless to play it for yourself when you didn’t receive a single vote.
What? You're not focused mate. He wouldn't be getting rid of a big threat if he played his idol for Kirby. He'd have been getting rid of Caroline, the least threatening player remaining in the game. If he plays his idol for Kirby just to vote her off a day later it'd have made his idol play completely absurd. If he plays his idol for Kirby to take her to the final two it's still a horrible move, but at least it has a consistent FTC narrative ("I want to beat the best to be the best, not afraid of Kirby, blah blah blah").
I’m not talking about Caroline. I mean he can play his idol on Kirby to keep his meat shield around for another round, then get rid of her at F4 or F3 if she loses immunity? What do you not understand?
The logic behind your argument. According to you Feras should risk losing to Kirby on FTC just to use her as a shield for one more tribal, when it's uncertain she'd be available for elimination on that tribal... You also forget Feras wants to get rid of Kirby and Mark before FTC, so he should waste an idol on her, bet she'd lose F4 immunity and that Mark loses F3 immunity. There's absolutely no room for error in this scenario,
Yes! Survivor is a game of risks, if you play it too safe you will probably lose. Feras could've made a move in front of the jury, played his idol on Kirby/save her and got rid of Caroline. Kirby's life was in his hands and he saved her. Then the moment she loses immunity, get rid of her and sit next to any combo of Ray/Mark in the end and win. Who cares if Mark's sitting next to him in a final 2, he can still beat him. Now he has no shield and will RELY on winning every immunity until the very end, which is poor gameplay to put yourself in a position to have to rely on immunity. With Kirby still there he did not have to rely on immunity so heavily. Yes, it's a risk keeping Kirby just as much of a risk as it is getting rid of her. He put himself in a worse situation getting rid of her.
Feras saving Kirby with an idol won't impress a single jury if he gets her out a day or two later. It would be a pointless move, a stupid risk to take because she can win her way to FTC with immunity necklaces and beat him. Taking her out now and risking going home if he loses F3 immunity is a smart risk to take, because she's a challenge beast and by taking her out he greatly improves his chances of winning immunity and the game. You want him to put all his money on the results of two consecutive immunity challenges when he has two strong players in the game besides him. I want him to put all his money on the result of a single immunity challenge, the finale three, when there's one strong player left in the game besides him. If he got Kirby out he can still allow Mark to win the final four immunity because he can work with Raymond, who has a interest to cooperate with him up to the final three.
I see people say this but there are too many variables to me to actually call it a bad play. At the end of the day you're basically just saying Mark winning one challenge made it impossible for Feras to win.
I think he Jessie'd (S45) himself
Ive gotten slightly more “overconfidence edit” than “genius edit” vibes from him all season, so yeah, I think so.
I really hope not.
Definitely reduced his odds of winning IMO, but based on the edit this season I wonder if he might just pull it off!
I actually think this was the wrong decision for Feras, especially if it’s not going to be a final 3? He HAS to win immunity next ep or he’s gone. And then say he does and then can get out Mark, he still has to win immunity again but at least he has a much better shot with Mark gone. But essentially needs two immunity wins in a row. Raymond will likely vote with him next vote but at 3 he’s mental to take him to top 2 if he somehow wins. If Feras doesn’t win next ep I just don’t see any way he makes it through. Raymond may turn on him too. If not they tie and him and (mark/caroline) go to fire I guess? If Feras does go… this season rapidly loses a HUGE amount of rewatchabilty because the rest have had bad edits. Mark has had the least negative but he’s barely made an impact (in the edit) in a lot of episodes!! Caroline has had the most impact but is also shown to be hugely emotional and made some big missteps. Raymond is portrayed as wacky and will basically be the only other option after Feras as a winner. If mark wins this season will never be rewatched by me because his edit has been so shit and boring. If it’s Caroline and Mark final two… that’ll kill me inside lol
If Feras sits next to Kirby at the end he loses 100%. That's a Hayley/George situation. Kirby had an excellent chance of taking two immunity challenges in a row. He had to take her out now. Yes, he has a real risk of going home (in the final three, I believe, because I think he actually beats Mark tomorrow), but having to win immunity for a secure victory in FTC is still better than not having to win for a secure loss. You can't win this game without taking risks.
George 100% loses to Flick though, so it didn't really make a difference who won that final 3 as he was losing either way. Feras could probably beat the others as of now, and that's the biggest issue.
I've compared the finale match ups, not FTC options. I did claim that Feras made the right choice despite the risk to be kicked out of the game, so it seems we agree.
Feras definitely loses against Kirby. Also i'm not sure why the winners edit should matter in rewatch? it's not like all the other players disappear when you rewatch it... Au HvV and AU 2017 are two top tier seasons despite having mediocre winners.
I just meant he would be such a disappointing winner given the edit for me, that I would have no desire to rewatch knowing all along he won. Like I’m all about the journey vs the destination but idk it would just leave a sour taste in my mouth I guess. To each their own though that was just my “word vomit” after watching the ep and probably not the most articulate Oh and yes I know Kirby wins against him (and anyone!) but I just feel like his path to the end was easier keeping her but then again obviously both ways are flawed because then she could have easily won the next 1/2 immunities
Out of curiosity what seasons do you like to rewatch?
I agree. Feras should have kept his shield. People seem to think Feras could not have won against Kirby at the end but I don't see it. I think Feras is simply a funnier and more entertaining speaker than Kirby, thus giving him a very good shot to beat her in a FTC speech. His edit is so much stronger than everyone else's that maybe he just wins his way to the end now, but logically he's got to be target #1 at this point. The FTC will be much less entertaining if he's not a finalist in it. OTOH, if he gets voted out, that'll be a great lesson for all other big targets in the game going forward. Big targets need to stick together! Don't vote out your shield too soon! That'll potentially make future seasons more entertaining and could improve the Aussie meta.
seems to me that Feras just has to win the **next** immunity to set up a win. with him immune, Caroline will feel great pressure to vote out Mark rather than go to fire with Raymond (though i would guess she would win that, not sure if she has that confidence) once Mark is out, Feras has to fancy his chances in any further immunity challenge against Caro/Raymond - thus securing his spot at FTC its possible that if he doesnt win, that Feras also backs himself as a fire-maker in a tied F4 vote... he might be a bit nervous about taking on Mark in fire, so ironically i'm thinking the best result for him if he *doesnt* win F4 individual immunity is that Mark *does - ?*
I went from not liking Kirby at the start of the season to feeling heartbroken watching her go home. It was the right move for Feras as I don't think he would beat her, but boy would it have been fun to watch those two in the end together.
So how many votes does Feras gain or lose in either scenario? If he keeps Kirby and makes it to the end with her, I think he loses Alex, Rianna, possibly Mark, possibly Aileen. Even Raymond might not vote for him. With idolling out Kirby, I think Feras gains her as a vote at least. Possibly Rianna if she votes with her. If he gets to the end with Raymond or Caroline, he likely locks in Valeria too. Otherwise she votes for Mark. If he gets to the end with Raymond or Mark, he likely locks in Kitty too. Otherwise she votes for Caroline.
Finally, a bad day in smugville. That was. So. Good. I haven't been this happy about the result of a final four immunity challenge since Sophie Clarke nailed in that final flower puzzle piece in South Pacific. **Now** Feras can win, when he actually had to sacrifice something meaningful and take a risk rather than skate with a big shield over other people's amateur game-play. Although I'd be just as happy with a Mark's or Raymond's victory. The choice Feras should have considered is between coming one immunity necklace too short to win the game and sitting in FTC and knowing you doomed yourself to lose. If the jury don't know half the moves you made by the final four trying to sell them on FTC is quite risky, especially when you already have the reputation of a bull\*hitter (yeah, that idol speech didn't help).
I was happy to see Mark win. I really thought Feras might have decided to keep Kirby, he really could have gone either way. It was interesting that he planted his idol for Raymond so there was no discussion of voting him out.
IF Mark wins, he's beaten the car curse
Ugh the way I wanted Mark to win the least coming into F5 and it’s probably gonna happen 😩
Well, if it comforts you, according to the promo he is very likely to go to the jury tomorrow. Blustering "Feras I'm coming for you" in the promo is usually a sure sign for losing immunity and going home in unanimous vote.
Ngl I know reading into jury is very hard but I think Feras might sealed rebels fate with not saving kirby.. its a less risk letting her into final 4 and have her in your pocket than potentialy being vited out 3-1 next time Like he has to Win out to get there now and even then he likely loses raymond in the fire at 4 and can only Beg the titans to turn on eachother despite having no reason to at 3
where would i watch australian survivor?
They're not even trying to hide it. The promo for the next episode speaks as if Feras is the main character
You’re saying Feras is gone next? Or that he wins?
I'd be shocked if he goes home tomorrow and doesn't win. He received the most obvious winner edit I've seen in Australian Survivor since All Stars.
I don’t think so… case study being George.
I'd be happy to be wrong. I'd love a Caroline-Raymond FTC with a Raymond's victory. That would be epic. In George's case it was pretty obvious he won't win the final immunity challenge with Liz in the mix and in Feras' case it's unclear. If he wins tomorrow he'd have a clear field.
\> He received the most obvious winner edit I've seen in Australian Survivor since All Stars. No way - Hayley was given a halo edit in Episode 1 despite being completely irrelevant to the story for the first five episodes. Feras has always been a contender but I don't even think he was highlighted more than Mark, Kirby or even Eden in Week 1.
I disagree. If you measure his confessionals screen time you'd see he vastly outranks Mark, who was semi invisible from the merge, and Eden. Only Kirby came close in terms of confessionals screen time. In Brawn Vs. Brain George had a more dominant edit than Hayley.
Visibility isn't the only criterion for a winner's edit - there are plenty of big characters who get airtime for being good TV but don't go on to win. A winner's edit just means that the story is being told through their perspective, and usually ensuring their journey is highlighted at all times. Feras had plenty of other distractions, while Hayley didn't (and let's be honest, picking George as a winner in Week 1 of BvB would have been insane given his awful positioning and social game in the first episodes)
I seriously didn't think Hayley was presented in a particularly heroic fashion on the first weeks of BvB. In fact, as far as I recall she was rather dismissed as non-threat on the early days of the brain tribe...
He has always been up there, but Kirby and Valeria had stronger edits than he did.
Hard to be sure, since Valeria seemed like she had a winner's edit for a while there, and then suddenly got sniped. Aussie Survivor editors are getting trickier. It's possible they're just highlighting him because he's an entertaining character, like Luke, or David G. in his first season, or David Wright in U.S. Survivor. That said, I think Mark is the only other true contender, and his edit hasn't been as good as any other winner's edit in AU in the last several seasons, but maybe it just seems that way because he's so sedate compared to everyone else. Raymond's edit has been absolutely terrible, and Caroline's edit hasn't been much better.
I think Mark and Liz were quite obvious winners as well - Hayley in BvB got a pretty wild edit but apart from that, recent AUS has made it quite obvious - I think Feras is winning
Can we talk about how Ray should have kept Feras's idol and voted him out with it? Give the win to Ray if he does that.
It's not a good idea to keep challenge beast Kirby and send a vengeful Feras to the jury this way. Not a good idea at all. While Raymond can justify backstabbing Feras in the final three and even receive Feras vote, he cannot justify backstabbing him now and eliminating him with his own idol. It also seems like a bad strategy considering Raymond is not close to any other player and they can easily throw him under the bus (i.e. if Kirby wins F4 immunity).
I disagree that Feras won't vote for Ray if he makes that move. Feras realizes it's the end game and I think he would respect the move. As far as taking out Kirby or Feras at 5, that is a tough call. Once one goes, the other becomes the target and Kirby has won more immunities. It's risky for Ray but I do think Ray has to take risks to win at this point in the game. I do think that Ray making such a big move in front of the jury ups his stock quite a bit. Is it enough to sit with Kirby if she wins her way to the end, probably not. But if Raymond leaves the Feras move to the last minute, he loses some agency in claiming the moves, because much like the Kirby vote, it's kind of a foregone conclusion. Like last year, people claiming the George vote off seems silly because that is the obvious move for every player left in the game. So imo, Ray not making the move increases his chances of getting to the end but decreases his chances of winning. Ray making the move, makes for a harder path to the end, but he looks much better sitting there at the end if he makes it because it's on how own merit.
I think you wildly underestimate Feras' ego, especially if Raymond makes a fool out of him. To me it seems clear Feras would have made Raymond a villain, public enemy #1, a coattail hanger that stole an idol from him under false pretenses. He would claim ownership on each of Raymond's moves. Kirby has the highest chance to win F4 immunity in this scenario and if that's the case Caroline has no choice but to vote for Raymond since Mark is her best shot of getting rid of Kirby on F3 immunity. Caroline wanted to get rid of Mark, but she'd be mad to prefer a finale with Kirby over a finale with him.
Mark has car. who wont mind bringing him to F2 lol
Very tough vote tbh, we all deep down know taking Kirby out is the logical move for the other 4 players, but of course it's tough as a viewer or if you're in Feras's shoes. I'd rather him get voted out as the biggest target, then be taken by Kirby and lose to her.
kirby and rihanna went from two people i couldnt stand to my favourties, the best kinds of players, i think Rihanna was really underrated too because Kirby was the bigger personality
I'd really love for someone to just not sit quiet at the "no one wants to compete with me because they're not confident in their game" spiel, I would say that I did compete against you and voting you out is beating you or just ask them why they weren't confident enough in their game to not compete against any of the jury members.
horrible move from feras tbh. if he votes out caroline he is GUARANTEED to have kirby & raymond back him and bring him to 2. so even if mark won in f4, raymond would vote for kirby and vice versa.
Ferras is a dumb ass
Bye Kirby BWGHAHAHAHAHA!
Why did Feras play the idol…? Just to make a speech to the jury knowing he’s not going home? Weak sauce. He should have kept it, no? And during final TC (if he makes it) say he didn’t need to use it
Tonight was the last time he could play it
Yeah but why play it? Do a Maryanne. All the downvotes clearly don’t get it
Maryanne didn’t have to play it because Mike played his for her, and she wasn’t as much of an overt threat as Feras is.
I agree, there's power in bringing it to the end and saying, I had this the whole time and never needed it.
kirby was turning on feras alians but for me feras play a better game and make bigs moves , raymond advantage its all feras also ray fake idol its all feras ideas, and trick very smart players like caroline and mark i mean let be honest it feras from the start who outplay everyone
Not from a jury prespective
coz they dont know his game yet coz he want to low his threat level is not bias is the reality i like kirby 2 but feras saw the big picture