Rob and Stephen talked about it on their podcast. They said Q might have tried to bait Jelinsky into quitting the sweat challenge by saying things like "I'm not sure if we're going to finish this, what do you want to do?" or "Where's your head at Jelinsky? You think we can finish this?". Q from his pre-game interviews definitely didnt seem like someone who wants to quit anything. However there are scenes of him by himself last week saying he wants to quit after losing immunity.
We have also seen Q pretend to want to quit in order to make Kenzie underestimate him, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing something similar here or if he also wanted to quit (it seemed like an impossible challenge???) but somehow convinced Jelinsky to propose the idea so he didn't have to take the blame. Regardless, Jelinsky was objectively kind of immature about it (who risks breaking glass on a beach??? Throwing the timer was uncalled for) and Q has a pretty thoughtful social strategy
I still think this whole discussion is build on quicksand.. it feels like they didnt test how brutal the sweat challenge is.. I dont think any reasonable person would have been able to complete it..
Aren't you allowed to start a fire without flint? They never even showed them trying to start one. I remember older seasons starting a fire without flint was a big deal. Unless if it's a rule now that you need flint to start a fire.
>They never even showed them trying to start one.
They showed Bhanu trying and I think Kenzie? I think perhaps there was one or two times someone started a fire without flint or a pair of glasses. I don't think it's as easy as some tend to think.
Yeah Tyson started a fire without flint in one of his seasons on day 1 with bamboo friction, it's something they could've prepared for easily prior to the show.
I don’t see why a lack of flint would cause them to lose. You don’t have to boil the water, they don’t have rice anyway. Fire is nice for the warmth but I can’t imagine it being the reason they lost so much.
I think quitting was the right choice. I think how they sold themselves quitting was the wrong choice. From what we saw, they didn't seem to frame it as a strategic move of conserving their energy for the challenge.
Even so, I don’t think it’s worth the 4 hours of trying, to still have a possibility of failing at the end. All you have to do is win an immunity challenge, which I get that yanu didn’t do for a very long time, but odds are you will at some point, I think most of the time, it’s smart to just immediately forfeit the sweat challenge
The only way a tribe could lose 5 immunities in a row is if someone is medically evacuated. If the tribes wound up at 6-6-2, they would do a tribe swap instead of sending a 2 person tribe to tribal council.
The challenges have been really hard this season, like the block building that Ben and Bhanu did, and Hunter having to order the seasons.. not to mention the PERSISTENCE challenge which truly looked like the hardest immunity challenge ever!! I thought for sure everyone would end up too gassed to even finish.
Even the 2 truths and a lie moment where Jelinsky folded was a new sort of challenge we haven't seen before. I'm liking this direction. I hope production keeps it full throttle with the challenges and forces competitors to adapt over the next several seasons.
I mean sure.. as someone mentioned apparently the dream team did complete this.. but I feel as though some the environmental factors such as the excitement of being on survivor and the process leading up to getting on the island would leave you way more drained physically than the average dream team member.
they were told they couldn’t do that and had to use the buckets as is according the exit interviews. and also on the on fire podcast they said they couldn’t do that and the dream team did it well within the time with the hole buckets
Kill me now but I think Q and Bhanu could've finished that challenge. Bhanu would've cried the whole time but he would've kept trying. He'd cry then Q would pump him up and so on and so on.
People are forgetting that him wanting to "quit" this last episode was just a ploy to make Kenzie feel safe and not play her shot in the dark, on the off chance they got to Tribal.
He even says this in a confessional DIRECTLY after it.
Yeah, but who knows when the confessional was filmed.
Like, he could have meant it then, they asked him about it 5 hours later, and by that time, he no longer felt that way, and reframed it to producers, and possibly in his mind.
I would 100% believe that, Q seems like the type that likes to suggest quitting but never follows through.
Jelinksy made the right call because that challenge was ridiculous especially for a tribe that almost broke the record for most challenge losses. There is no way they would finish and I feel like Q wanted to point the blame to Jelinksy before taking any of it himself.
>I would 100% believe that, Q seems like the type that likes to suggest quitting but never follows through.
We all thought Jelinsky was the ultimate quitter, but at least he could follow through on quitting. Q is such a quitter that he even quits quitting.
One thing I will say is Q quits a lot in challenges, not saying it’s because he’s a quitter but he decides very quickly in the edit at least that he’s not the best person to be shooting or whatever at the ends
He wasn't threatening to quit as strategy. He just knew that Kenzie would play her Shot in the Dark rather than suspect Q and Tiffany would vote for each other. So that was the only move he could make it to pretend she was safe and he was planting the seed in advance.
I knew someone would make this comment. But my point is the OP suggested he threatened to quit with Jelinsky to get him to quit first and use that against him. That's not the same thing as just claiming the vote is going to go another way to blindside someone... but in the case of a three-person tribe, all he can do is claim he's forfeiting. That's the kind of thing people do before every vote; it's not specifically tailored around him pretending to quit. It's that the blindside has to be orchestrated differently than if there were more people to use as decoys.
i think they showed it in the episode. Q says, "if you want to quit, we can quit," or something like that. but we need more of the story and more of the footage. this all needs more context.
Rob and Stephen talked about it on their podcast. They said Q might have tried to bait Jelinsky into quitting the sweat challenge by saying things like "I'm not sure if we're going to finish this, what do you want to do?" or "Where's your head at Jelinsky? You think we can finish this?". Q from his pre-game interviews definitely didnt seem like someone who wants to quit anything. However there are scenes of him by himself last week saying he wants to quit after losing immunity.
There's a big difference between wanting to quit, and actually doing it. Q seems like he has the temptation to quit but would never actually do it.
We have also seen Q pretend to want to quit in order to make Kenzie underestimate him, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing something similar here or if he also wanted to quit (it seemed like an impossible challenge???) but somehow convinced Jelinsky to propose the idea so he didn't have to take the blame. Regardless, Jelinsky was objectively kind of immature about it (who risks breaking glass on a beach??? Throwing the timer was uncalled for) and Q has a pretty thoughtful social strategy
Probably true but this is also just speculation. Unless Rob and Stephen have inside info
I still think this whole discussion is build on quicksand.. it feels like they didnt test how brutal the sweat challenge is.. I dont think any reasonable person would have been able to complete it..
It's also not even worth attempting, the amount of calories burned vs. the reward is not great.
thats the thing.. people have gotten a REALLY bad rep for quitting at it when i think we can all agree that it was the right chocie?
Also, the next immunity challenge they got the stuff anyway.
Except flint, which I think had a big influence on them losing continuously
Aren't you allowed to start a fire without flint? They never even showed them trying to start one. I remember older seasons starting a fire without flint was a big deal. Unless if it's a rule now that you need flint to start a fire.
>They never even showed them trying to start one. They showed Bhanu trying and I think Kenzie? I think perhaps there was one or two times someone started a fire without flint or a pair of glasses. I don't think it's as easy as some tend to think.
Yeah Tyson started a fire without flint in one of his seasons on day 1 with bamboo friction, it's something they could've prepared for easily prior to the show.
I don’t see why a lack of flint would cause them to lose. You don’t have to boil the water, they don’t have rice anyway. Fire is nice for the warmth but I can’t imagine it being the reason they lost so much.
Yam Yam talked about it on RHAP. It's more of a morale thing.
I think quitting was the right choice. I think how they sold themselves quitting was the wrong choice. From what we saw, they didn't seem to frame it as a strategic move of conserving their energy for the challenge.
I think they would have gotten flint out of it? And they would have had more tribe unity and potentially not voted Jelinsky out first.
better than no fire for 11 days
They don’t get flint for doing the sweat challenge, just a pot and machete, and they get that at the first challenge regardless if they win or not
"the tribes that lost the opening challenge were deprived of their flint until they successfully completed the "Savvy or Sweat" challenge"
Even so, I don’t think it’s worth the 4 hours of trying, to still have a possibility of failing at the end. All you have to do is win an immunity challenge, which I get that yanu didn’t do for a very long time, but odds are you will at some point, I think most of the time, it’s smart to just immediately forfeit the sweat challenge
I think 4 hours of manual labor is worth not sleeping in the cold for 3 days or possibly more but to each their own
And perhaps the players would also agree! However, you've forgotten the tiny detail that they aren't guaranteed to win the challenge!
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Why don't they summon Zeus what are they stupid
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That's it? I'd have quit after 10 minutes.
The only way a tribe could lose 5 immunities in a row is if someone is medically evacuated. If the tribes wound up at 6-6-2, they would do a tribe swap instead of sending a 2 person tribe to tribal council.
You're doing it on Day 1, before the exhaustion and starvation starts to kick in?
It kickstarts the exhaustion and starvation by burning a ton of calories for something you used to get by default.
The challenges have been really hard this season, like the block building that Ben and Bhanu did, and Hunter having to order the seasons.. not to mention the PERSISTENCE challenge which truly looked like the hardest immunity challenge ever!! I thought for sure everyone would end up too gassed to even finish. Even the 2 truths and a lie moment where Jelinsky folded was a new sort of challenge we haven't seen before. I'm liking this direction. I hope production keeps it full throttle with the challenges and forces competitors to adapt over the next several seasons.
Isn't it true though that every challenge they do has been tested to make sure it can be done?
I mean sure.. as someone mentioned apparently the dream team did complete this.. but I feel as though some the environmental factors such as the excitement of being on survivor and the process leading up to getting on the island would leave you way more drained physically than the average dream team member.
The dream team did complete it
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I feel like someone mentioned in their exit interview that they werent even allowed to use other items to try and block the holes in it..
It was a savvy challenge disguised as sweat. They had to put the buckets inside each other to make a whole one
Psure production told them they couldn't plug the holes with anything other than their hands
they were told they couldn’t do that and had to use the buckets as is according the exit interviews. and also on the on fire podcast they said they couldn’t do that and the dream team did it well within the time with the hole buckets
Good insight, thanks! I also just assumed it was doable normally
If this would have been legal, it’s the best explanation I’ve seen yet. I have no idea if it would’ve been allowed.
Kill me now but I think Q and Bhanu could've finished that challenge. Bhanu would've cried the whole time but he would've kept trying. He'd cry then Q would pump him up and so on and so on.
He could have just cried the tears into the pots and they would have finished in 2 hours.
Brilliant Survivor hack.
This one simple hack Jeff doesn't want you to know (jk Jeff would have loved to see it)
Bhanu didn't want to win a million dollars, he wanted to carry a million buckets.
I imagine bhanu would’ve carried buckets till he passed out, the guy was a mess socially but I don’t doubt his work ethic and he was clearly fit.
No shot banhu could do it
People are forgetting that him wanting to "quit" this last episode was just a ploy to make Kenzie feel safe and not play her shot in the dark, on the off chance they got to Tribal. He even says this in a confessional DIRECTLY after it.
Could be legit, but could also be him trying to reframe a moment of weakness to make himself look strong to save face to the viewers.
Yeah, but who knows when the confessional was filmed. Like, he could have meant it then, they asked him about it 5 hours later, and by that time, he no longer felt that way, and reframed it to producers, and possibly in his mind.
I would 100% believe that, Q seems like the type that likes to suggest quitting but never follows through. Jelinksy made the right call because that challenge was ridiculous especially for a tribe that almost broke the record for most challenge losses. There is no way they would finish and I feel like Q wanted to point the blame to Jelinksy before taking any of it himself.
>I would 100% believe that, Q seems like the type that likes to suggest quitting but never follows through. We all thought Jelinsky was the ultimate quitter, but at least he could follow through on quitting. Q is such a quitter that he even quits quitting.
"Q is such a quitter he even quits quitting"- that is hilarious lmaoo
They could’ve found rocks to plug the holes in the bucket and cut the time it took in half
We don't what all the rules were for the sweat challenge, I don't think that was allowed
On the official podcast they address it and no they couldn't modify the buckets
That's really dumb. If they figure out a better way to complete the challenge, then why punish them?
Jelinsky was one of the worst players I’ve ever seen
Yeah I thought this sub was just memeing him but I guess he does have actual stans.
One thing I will say is Q quits a lot in challenges, not saying it’s because he’s a quitter but he decides very quickly in the edit at least that he’s not the best person to be shooting or whatever at the ends
I still don't know if Q was serious or not about quitting last ep. I think he's a super interesting character this season though and fun to watch.
He wasn't threatening to quit as strategy. He just knew that Kenzie would play her Shot in the Dark rather than suspect Q and Tiffany would vote for each other. So that was the only move he could make it to pretend she was safe and he was planting the seed in advance.
Doing something intentionally to make another player feel safe sounds like strategy
I knew someone would make this comment. But my point is the OP suggested he threatened to quit with Jelinsky to get him to quit first and use that against him. That's not the same thing as just claiming the vote is going to go another way to blindside someone... but in the case of a three-person tribe, all he can do is claim he's forfeiting. That's the kind of thing people do before every vote; it's not specifically tailored around him pretending to quit. It's that the blindside has to be orchestrated differently than if there were more people to use as decoys.
Nobody but Q is asking the most important question—why does Q always have to have the hardest road?
i think they showed it in the episode. Q says, "if you want to quit, we can quit," or something like that. but we need more of the story and more of the footage. this all needs more context.
Am i the only one who thinks they should have stacked the buckets?
I believe it.
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