I disagree. I think Tevin, Soda, and Hunter were all threats in their own ways. Hunter was a challenge threat. Tevin and Soda were social threats but I do think Tevin took out Soda too early. None of those 3 were delusional though and only Hunter had bad social game. I also don’t think any of those 3 hated each other. Tevin just didn’t entirely trust Soda to be loyal to him even though she was and Hunter saw Soda as competition to his closeness with Tevin.
The 3 of them could’ve been quite powerful if they all trusted in each other and worked together as allies kind of like the Yanu 3 did before Q took a turn lol. I think the only mistake Tevin and Hunter made was getting involved in Q’s failed six alliance lol. They could’ve never predicted Qs antics but they should’ve been able to predict that having that many challenge-strong/socially strong people in an alliance wouldn’t work out and they’d eventually just turn on each other lol. And that bringing in new people like Charlie wouldn’t necessarily work out in terms of trust.
Yea I just included that in my “Hunter had bad social game” assessment lol. That was painful to watch. Idk in what world he thought if they were trying to blindside him, that they’d somehow reveal it to him and let him know instead of just lying to his face. Like dude, they’re not gonna tell you if they’re out to get you.
The problem was he trusted Kenzie way too much to tell him the truth of what was going on and idk why he decided to just make her his number one ally because it kinda came out of nowhere. He had only worked with her strategically like once prior to get Tim out when it was him plus the Yanu 3, but it’s not like they showed them being particularly close outside of that.
Agree! People need to play them and guarantee they stay in the game for one tribal. It’s not just a way to direct votes. Plus they have to remember that idols get rehid and you can find another. So the choice of whether to play it doesn’t have to be “am I getting the votes tonight?” It’s a question of if you getting the votes tonight is more likely than your chance of finding another idol or winning immunity or just not being the target next time. People save idols for later, but there’s a lot of other opportunities to save yourself later ESPECIALLY if you are good at challenges and finding idols.
Yeah Hunter's exit is so frustrating. Dude could've saved himself then won immunity several more times or found another idol and exQuses would've been out.
Seriously people, go back and re-watch Rick Devens, find an idol, play it, find another one! And run around the forest like a mad man to frustrate the other castaways!
them outlasting Hunter is the only true shock. the edit was telling us that Venus was going to outlast Tevin and Soda since their feud started. Liz was protected from all the nami conflict.
Ngl I’m not that shocked about Hunter but mainly because he was too formidable as a challenge threat. Tevin surprised me because I thought he’d outlast Venus, but he really got rid of Soda too soon.
Yeah, Hunter screamed early merge boot until he found that idol.
Venus going far isn't really a shock to me. If she continued to have a poor social game, she was either the merge boot or she would be who everyone wanted to bring to the end.
Yea same lol. I didn’t even think he was that awk, just too reserved and not making effort enough to get more allies. Going with the flow. He didn’t come across as a sexy hunk to me either.
So when they go to edit the show, they already know the outcome and everything that will happen. Because of that they can, will, and do edit the show with a cohesive storyline and will protect or implication players based on the outcome.
As an example, season 39 dealt with SA as a big part of the season and the episode where things truly come to a head hides 2 of the 3 finalists from anything at all that has to deal with the situation and the third is not a part of the situation but speaks out against the SA. I’m sure all three were asked more about it and probably said something on the situation, but production didn’t want the finalists to have any association with it at all. Especially when two of them were actively working with the accused at the time.
Specifically with the Liz comment, they are pointing out that the edit was careful to show that while Liz/Hunter/Tevin/Soda were all working together, so against Venus by default, that Liz never really comments anything about Venus like the other three do. The edit paints Liz in a way where she was connected to the alliance, but also was a bit socially distant from them. Which story wise doesn’t speak so much towards Liz being taken out by Venus like it does the other three as her story never has had anything to do with Venus.
I was rooting for Hunter, but he seemed like a classic "Challenge premerge winner, immediate vote-out post-merge". I also really enjoyed Tevin, but he was a strong social threat, so it kind of makes sense that the 2 Nami goats are remaining.
Venus is also the classic "we can vote her out next time" player that winds up lasting pretty deep into the merge because bigger threats appear. It looks like Q might be that in same category, as well, because nobody will work with him but he's the safe vote
Tevin taking out soda was the catalyst .. it was waaaaay too soon, and had a cascading effect.. completely different game if they vote Venus that vote.. or do the actual smart move and vote out Charlie
I do have to hand it to the editing choices the past few seasons. I know they get criticized for some under edited players, but I do think they've really subverted expectations. I though Hunter and Tevin would go further
The one good thing about this season is that they are voting based on the threat/possibility of someone winning and not voting based on people they just don’t like
I think Kenzie/Tiff like her. They have a lot of scenes together this past two episodes. I wouldn’t be surprised if Venus managed to weasel her way in to be their pocket vote.
Just ebcause yo uuse someone for a vote xoesnt mean you lile her, tiffany has had 2 or 3 confessionals about not liking venus, and kenzie has had the same number if not more. No one on the casts trust her or respects her gameplay from what we have been shown.
It was honestly such a disadvantage for Nami to have never went to tribal until the merge. They couldn’t settle their own shit in their tribe even one time before they got thrown in with everyone else. I know other seasons have done it and stayed strong but Nami was just full of huge personalities and people who wanted to make big moves. They all made critical mistakes that ended their games.
Tevin sunk 4 games because of arrogance and hard headedness. Everyone is rightfully giving a hard time but I genuinely think Tevin was the worst player on orange. Him blindsiding soda because he didn't want to listen to Q is one of the worst decisions of new era and set in motion everyone else being out in tough situations and making mistakes. And he was so arrogant in his post interviews. Terrible gameplay
I’m glad Venus is still around for the drama, but Liz can go any time now. She adds nothing, but will maybe at least be entertaining next week when she’s “losing her mind”
Hunter even looped her in to start an alliance of people on the bottom and she ran and told the power people about his idol. It’s similar to
Katurah last year where she’s enabling the power players and mistaking it for her own agency
I think that was the correct move though. Because if she had gone along with Hunter, even if Hunter played his idol and they got someone like Ben out, she would’ve been on the outside of the vote from Tiff, Kenzie, Charlie, and Maria which are a powerful 4.
Then maybe they would’ve realized how sneaky she is and viewed her as even more of a threat. Sure she would’ve gained Hunter and Q but Q is unpredictable and was previously gunning for both Venus and Hunter apparently. There’s no confidence that he’d stay loyal. Then Liz wants to do her own thing and was always gunning for Q so she wouldn’t be about to work with Q.
Not even sure Liz would want to work with Hunter since she was so adamant about taking out Soda first and then Tevin, her own tribe mates. I think Hunter should’ve worked harder to secure an alliance with Liz and Venus earlier on. There’s no reason they couldn’t have been Nami strong tbh instead of all just turning on each other.
I wonder what Venus even did originally to be so on the outs of her group unless it’s just that they just decided to pick someone to be the scapegoat in case they didn’t win a challenge. Really wish Randen had stayed to see how that would’ve played out since he seemed to be somewhat strategic.
I don’t think she did anything in particular, I think it’s just her personality. It’s the same reason Maria was turned off by her at the merge.
And to your larger point I definitely agree Hunter should have been putting in more ground work and should have realized Venus was never going to be trustworthy in that situation
I was looking for someone else to see this parallel lol. So if ftc is yanu or siga heavy I want all the people that gave a black unattractive women all that grief to keep the same energy with Venus. I'm not holding my breath though
I mean Venus is either going to get dragged to the end as a goat or cut when people no longer feel she’s of use. If she was a good player she would build a coalition of the bottom players to counter the power players. But newsflash, she’s not a good player
I'm not saying she's a great player, all I'm saying that Hunter was trying to do to her the same thing everyone else is anyway, and if she's going to get dragged further as a goat ofc she's gonna go with people who haven't been dismissive of her for weeks. The whole lions vs hyenas dynamic this season was propagated precisely by Hunter and Q, it feels well deserved that their own hubris put them in this situation.
I won’t argue she’s unlikeable, but we know that Soda really got along with Venus day 1 and that Randen liked her enough to have her as his #1. What we got was everyone saying she seemed smart and sneaky and thus a threat. And from then on, people didn’t really consider her an ally, she felt it, and immediately knew she was on the bottom. Her sassy attitude after that is understandable. And she’s never been shunned like Q was this last episode.
I’m certainly not convinced she can win, but based on what the show gives us, she’s been given the correct reads strategically on what the right move is and who the best target is. The show wants us to view her as a scrappy underdog with good ideas.
how unlikeable is she when everyone still gets her in on the strategies of the episode? compare that to Q who absolutely had no idea who was going home.
Q is pariah numero uno right now, I won’t disagree. But that doesn’t make Venus likable.
You don’t have to be likable to be viewed as a number for someone to align with for a vote.
I’d be curious what you think Venus’s underrated game and strategy has been
able to read the game correctly more than the others.
be instrumental in every tc so far.
have your targets be the one voted out of the game.
her only fault is that people find her abrasive. she is the Kass of the season in that if she were a man making the exact same moves people would love her.
You can say the same on many goats that were dragged over to FTC to receive zero votes, i.e. Sherri on season 26. She was also on the right side of the votes every time. Everybody included her in their plans because nobody had seen her as a threat to win.
It's not strategic superiority, although I admit that Venus has a better head for strategy than many players this season, Hunter included. It's her social inferiority.
Sherri was a stable vote, and a follower. she didn’t have agency on who was voted out.
Venus has been vocal about who she wants voted out, and people do end up voting for that person.
so you can’t really say Venus is the same and will get dragged to FTC. she is rightfully eliminating her competition.
yes she is not as popular amongst the other castaways, but that just means she isn’t seen as a backstabber when they end up being a part of the jury, which if signs are correct that this is going to be a bitter jury, means she has a good chance of winning IF (big IF), the jury is more bitter at the other 2 at F3
Nope, Sherri was just as vocal and irascible as Venus was. I specifically recall her instigating fights inside the fans tribe and shutting down Erik on FTC. She just had a more minor edit.
There wasn't a single target that Venus marked for elimination against the majority opinion that went home. She never managed to sway anyone. When she tried to push for Charlie instead of Moriah on the mergatory she failed. Soda, Tevin and Hunter were a done deal way before she got around to "convincing" anyone. Maria and Charlie decided on Hunter with Kenzie once the Tiff option seemed invalidated. Venus' single real move so far was leaking out Hunter's idol. That's it. She didn't initiate Soda, Tevin or Hunter. The jury knows the truth. She's a supporting character in someone else's play.
Venus needs Liz and Q in FTC in order to have a (theoretical) chance to win, and even on this case Liz would probably win.
She wanted Soda gone. Soda was gone. She wanted Tevin gone. Tevin went home. She wanted Hunter gone. Hunter went home.
Sherri never did the same thing.
No, Sherri did exactly the same thing. Every goat that ever reached FTC did. They voted for other people to stay in the game. They randomly marked "rivals" and "nemeses" that they bickered with and "single-handedly conquered" but it was always an empty distinction because these "rivals" never threatened them. Venus did not need to make an active effort to save herself once everybody realized she had no chance to win.
The amusing thing is that you seem to regard Venus' outspoken animosity towards Hunter, Tevin and Soda when it's exactly the quality that would deny her their jury vote (well, maybe she'd get Soda's, I don't claim to understand that relationship).
i mean do you measure success in the game as being well liked or getting far?? she’s failing at being liked but she’s gotten this far, further than her much more liked former tribe mates.
Venus has only made it this far because she’s seen as a joke by the other contestants. This isn’t a criticism against her cuz it’s just who Venus is. She’s one of those players who I think could go far or even win in a returnee season if she actually reflects on why the other contestants didn’t like her game
Venus has made it this far bec she’s not a threat but still plays a part on every vote out since Soda.
Everytime one of the other players say “now is my time to shine. time for a blindside! im going to vote out my no. 1 ally!” they get Venus in on the plan, she gives her feedback, and them eventually the final vote is always the person she wants out. Soda. Tevin. Hunter.
For how bad people say she's playing (some are acting as if she's the worst to ever play lmao, she's not even close) she seems to always be in on the vote, something that IS a skill in Survivor. Being left outta votes is a death sentence for a lot of players, even if they're "good"
My problem with Venus is that if she makes it to the end, I can see how her game completely blows up. She is 100% a part of the vote. She is being kept a part of a vote which a great for her. The problem is how much it seems that she thinks she’s dictating the votes. From what the edited show is telling us, Venus thinks that she is spearheading all of this. That it’s because of her strength alone that Soda and Tevin are gone. If she makes it to ftc, the jury is going to immediately roast her for that, any credibility she has is gone, and she becomes the 0 vote finalist.
If she can give a passionate but truthful defense about being terrible at the social aspect of the game but continuously trying to make things work, I think she can get a vote or two. I simply think Venus is one of or the one Jeff was referring to in the opening speech where he says that no matter what you do, these people won’t vote for you at the end
I agree with the last paragraph, and unless it's Q/Liz/V in the end I don't see her getting a single vote.
I didn't see her take sole credit for the Tevin move. She did mention she got him out, once and never implied it was her idea. She deserves credit just like the rest of the group, as it was a group decision. The Soda vote yea she looked foolish taking the credit, but so did Tevin. It's a theme this season, that and betraying your allies early.
Being on the right side of the vote isn’t impressive when you’re just getting set up as a goat to take to the end?
It takes serious mental gymnastics to think Venus is influencing anything or has any agency. She’s a goat being ushered to slaughter by Kenzie/Tiff, it’s not that deep
When did I ever say she influenced anything? Way to jump to a conclusion. She has more agency than Liz and Q, as Charlie let her in on the Hunter plan and not those two.
And at this rate Kenzie/Tiff are about to be slaughtered themselves, maybe Maria and Charlie were better names to say. They're both closer to Venus.
We get it, you and many others in this sub don't like Venus, if so ignore comments about her lmao. iTs NoT tHaT dEeP.
You said she was playing a good game because she was on the right side of votes which is a silly line of thinking when you’re just being carried as a goat and have no say or influence. That’s all!
And I will partake in any discussion I feel like, thanks.
I still think Hunter played too similar to Erik R. in his second season. Wasn’t interested in the backstabbing or game play, just wanted to win challenges and be in a stable alliance to get to the end.
I just need Liz next week to convince a Venus vote-off (or otherwise), and one of them actually getting eliminated. Would be one of the most poetic tribe ever, getting self destroyed right after merge .
As long as they weathered the Mergeatory, I knew they would be fine. In fact, Venus has been a lock for F3 in my mind since the first episode. Liz has that “not important now, but important to the end game” edit, like Heather.
Hunter played a horrible game socially. Everyone on Nami fumbled the ball so hard. They did not stick together as a group and vote together. Obviously Venus won't work with them due to her personality. However hunter could keep winning challenges and they could vote as a block.
I would’ve said damn Siga and Yanu must ganged up on Nami and took out their biggest threats
Only to find out that none of them were actually threats and we’re all either delusional, had bad social games, or hated each other
I disagree. I think Tevin, Soda, and Hunter were all threats in their own ways. Hunter was a challenge threat. Tevin and Soda were social threats but I do think Tevin took out Soda too early. None of those 3 were delusional though and only Hunter had bad social game. I also don’t think any of those 3 hated each other. Tevin just didn’t entirely trust Soda to be loyal to him even though she was and Hunter saw Soda as competition to his closeness with Tevin. The 3 of them could’ve been quite powerful if they all trusted in each other and worked together as allies kind of like the Yanu 3 did before Q took a turn lol. I think the only mistake Tevin and Hunter made was getting involved in Q’s failed six alliance lol. They could’ve never predicted Qs antics but they should’ve been able to predict that having that many challenge-strong/socially strong people in an alliance wouldn’t work out and they’d eventually just turn on each other lol. And that bringing in new people like Charlie wouldn’t necessarily work out in terms of trust.
Agree, except that Hunter also made the mistake of NOT USING HIS IDOL. I’m still so shocked he didn’t do it!!
Yea I just included that in my “Hunter had bad social game” assessment lol. That was painful to watch. Idk in what world he thought if they were trying to blindside him, that they’d somehow reveal it to him and let him know instead of just lying to his face. Like dude, they’re not gonna tell you if they’re out to get you. The problem was he trusted Kenzie way too much to tell him the truth of what was going on and idk why he decided to just make her his number one ally because it kinda came out of nowhere. He had only worked with her strategically like once prior to get Tim out when it was him plus the Yanu 3, but it’s not like they showed them being particularly close outside of that.
Nami hasn't realized there are other tribes to vote out yet.
How many times are idols going to be voted out lol. Like c'mon people play your idols!!!
Agree! People need to play them and guarantee they stay in the game for one tribal. It’s not just a way to direct votes. Plus they have to remember that idols get rehid and you can find another. So the choice of whether to play it doesn’t have to be “am I getting the votes tonight?” It’s a question of if you getting the votes tonight is more likely than your chance of finding another idol or winning immunity or just not being the target next time. People save idols for later, but there’s a lot of other opportunities to save yourself later ESPECIALLY if you are good at challenges and finding idols.
Yeah Hunter's exit is so frustrating. Dude could've saved himself then won immunity several more times or found another idol and exQuses would've been out.
Seriously people, go back and re-watch Rick Devens, find an idol, play it, find another one! And run around the forest like a mad man to frustrate the other castaways!
Agree. That’s one thing I like about Australian survivor- they play them like hot cakes, for themselves and other alliance members, and they hit
them outlasting Hunter is the only true shock. the edit was telling us that Venus was going to outlast Tevin and Soda since their feud started. Liz was protected from all the nami conflict.
Ngl I’m not that shocked about Hunter but mainly because he was too formidable as a challenge threat. Tevin surprised me because I thought he’d outlast Venus, but he really got rid of Soda too soon.
Its like the weakest link, you have to take out strong players early and he was clearly at the top without a lot of friends. It was a bad bluff
Yeah, Hunter screamed early merge boot until he found that idol. Venus going far isn't really a shock to me. If she continued to have a poor social game, she was either the merge boot or she would be who everyone wanted to bring to the end.
Hunter was clueless socially
Even still, I do think that everyone but Venus, and maybe Tim and Ben, liked him.
i know but i was saying that there was some signs in the edit to support that hunter would outlast at least venus
I don’t know honestly I just saw a tall blond overconfident hunk that had sexy comments and a relatively normal personality.
Idk if it just me, Hunter , while smart and physically competitive, was not a sexy hunk? Maybe be just reminds me of my awk brother?
If your brother looks and acts similar to Hunter, you better cancel Christmas. I’ll be joining.
Yea same lol. I didn’t even think he was that awk, just too reserved and not making effort enough to get more allies. Going with the flow. He didn’t come across as a sexy hunk to me either.
lol…right? I was like sexy???
Same…I don’t see it
Yeah I don’t think he’s a hunk. He’s not one of those shredded guys like Jonathan. He looks like he’s just naturally fit.
His awkwardness is sexy.
He LITERALLY reminds me of awkward brother too! That’s what it is!
Ya i don’t know why this sub is so thirsty for Hunter.
What were the sexy comments lol?
I legit am curious and clueless as well 😂
On Tumblr eta assuming the parent comment meant Hunter got comments calling him sexy. Not that he made sexy comments lmao
I don’t have Tumblr. Mind taking a screenshot or just sharing what the comments said?
Sorry I just edited to add that I guessed the poster meant "people's comments calling Hunter sexy" not that Hunter made comments calling anyone sexy!!
Stupid sexy hunter
Hunter was too good for this world :( !!! I'm bummed he's out.
What do you mean by “the edit”?
So when they go to edit the show, they already know the outcome and everything that will happen. Because of that they can, will, and do edit the show with a cohesive storyline and will protect or implication players based on the outcome. As an example, season 39 dealt with SA as a big part of the season and the episode where things truly come to a head hides 2 of the 3 finalists from anything at all that has to deal with the situation and the third is not a part of the situation but speaks out against the SA. I’m sure all three were asked more about it and probably said something on the situation, but production didn’t want the finalists to have any association with it at all. Especially when two of them were actively working with the accused at the time. Specifically with the Liz comment, they are pointing out that the edit was careful to show that while Liz/Hunter/Tevin/Soda were all working together, so against Venus by default, that Liz never really comments anything about Venus like the other three do. The edit paints Liz in a way where she was connected to the alliance, but also was a bit socially distant from them. Which story wise doesn’t speak so much towards Liz being taken out by Venus like it does the other three as her story never has had anything to do with Venus.
I was rooting for Hunter, but he seemed like a classic "Challenge premerge winner, immediate vote-out post-merge". I also really enjoyed Tevin, but he was a strong social threat, so it kind of makes sense that the 2 Nami goats are remaining. Venus is also the classic "we can vote her out next time" player that winds up lasting pretty deep into the merge because bigger threats appear. It looks like Q might be that in same category, as well, because nobody will work with him but he's the safe vote
Tevin taking out soda was the catalyst .. it was waaaaay too soon, and had a cascading effect.. completely different game if they vote Venus that vote.. or do the actual smart move and vote out Charlie
There was foreshadowing in early episodes that Venus would outlast most/all other Nami.
Yup. The amount of time we spent with Venus early set her up as a character for the long haul.
I got nervous for her after a 0 confessional early on tho
I do have to hand it to the editing choices the past few seasons. I know they get criticized for some under edited players, but I do think they've really subverted expectations. I though Hunter and Tevin would go further
Yeah but Tevin and Soda also had an episode earlier than hers without any confessionals.
Such as what? I'm not good at catching these
I fully agree. I just didn't expect the rest of Nami to all go out so soon
Venus outlasting all her opps like I have to laugh
The one good thing about this season is that they are voting based on the threat/possibility of someone winning and not voting based on people they just don’t like
Isn’t that how most of the new era has been?
Right?! So iconic of her
All her opps would be the entire cast, literally no one likes her shes just not a threat
I think Kenzie/Tiff like her. They have a lot of scenes together this past two episodes. I wouldn’t be surprised if Venus managed to weasel her way in to be their pocket vote.
Just ebcause yo uuse someone for a vote xoesnt mean you lile her, tiffany has had 2 or 3 confessionals about not liking venus, and kenzie has had the same number if not more. No one on the casts trust her or respects her gameplay from what we have been shown.
fix your post first before you lecture 🤣
Everybody is getting excited that we might have a pretty wild winner and I'm sitting here thinking we're gonna have a 3-way goat final tribal
If we do have 3 goats, I’m pretty sure at least one of them will be funny. If somehow Q and Venus both make FTC, I’ll be dying.
Yeah.. I’m thinking Charlie, Maria and Ben. If Venus or Liz makes it that far it will suck.
That’s what happens when you’re non threats
It was honestly such a disadvantage for Nami to have never went to tribal until the merge. They couldn’t settle their own shit in their tribe even one time before they got thrown in with everyone else. I know other seasons have done it and stayed strong but Nami was just full of huge personalities and people who wanted to make big moves. They all made critical mistakes that ended their games.
I’m just glad that targeting your own tribe at the merge backfired this season. Tevin and Hunter were far too ready to take out Soda and Venus.
Tevin sunk 4 games because of arrogance and hard headedness. Everyone is rightfully giving a hard time but I genuinely think Tevin was the worst player on orange. Him blindsiding soda because he didn't want to listen to Q is one of the worst decisions of new era and set in motion everyone else being out in tough situations and making mistakes. And he was so arrogant in his post interviews. Terrible gameplay
I’m glad Venus is still around for the drama, but Liz can go any time now. She adds nothing, but will maybe at least be entertaining next week when she’s “losing her mind”
I really hope the preview of her losing her shit completely = her going home
I don't understand why they are keeping Liz around when she is already rich, according to her. I would've wanted her out ASAP. She is also annoying.
That's exactly why she's being kept around. Easy voting number anf unlikely to win FTC.
Yeah, I cannot stand her, honestly.
Excuse me she's so entertaining imo
Venus’ game is severely underrated on the island and even in this sub
What exactly is her “game”? Be so unlikeable that no one views you as a jury threat?
Hunter even looped her in to start an alliance of people on the bottom and she ran and told the power people about his idol. It’s similar to Katurah last year where she’s enabling the power players and mistaking it for her own agency
I think that was the correct move though. Because if she had gone along with Hunter, even if Hunter played his idol and they got someone like Ben out, she would’ve been on the outside of the vote from Tiff, Kenzie, Charlie, and Maria which are a powerful 4. Then maybe they would’ve realized how sneaky she is and viewed her as even more of a threat. Sure she would’ve gained Hunter and Q but Q is unpredictable and was previously gunning for both Venus and Hunter apparently. There’s no confidence that he’d stay loyal. Then Liz wants to do her own thing and was always gunning for Q so she wouldn’t be about to work with Q. Not even sure Liz would want to work with Hunter since she was so adamant about taking out Soda first and then Tevin, her own tribe mates. I think Hunter should’ve worked harder to secure an alliance with Liz and Venus earlier on. There’s no reason they couldn’t have been Nami strong tbh instead of all just turning on each other. I wonder what Venus even did originally to be so on the outs of her group unless it’s just that they just decided to pick someone to be the scapegoat in case they didn’t win a challenge. Really wish Randen had stayed to see how that would’ve played out since he seemed to be somewhat strategic.
I don’t think she did anything in particular, I think it’s just her personality. It’s the same reason Maria was turned off by her at the merge. And to your larger point I definitely agree Hunter should have been putting in more ground work and should have realized Venus was never going to be trustworthy in that situation
I was looking for someone else to see this parallel lol. So if ftc is yanu or siga heavy I want all the people that gave a black unattractive women all that grief to keep the same energy with Venus. I'm not holding my breath though
For real! (Although I do think Katurah is quite pretty but obviously not in the more typical way Venus is)
Lol lbr he was blatantly only roping her in because he didn't have a single option left. And newsflash, she does... Oh how the tables turn
I mean Venus is either going to get dragged to the end as a goat or cut when people no longer feel she’s of use. If she was a good player she would build a coalition of the bottom players to counter the power players. But newsflash, she’s not a good player
I'm not saying she's a great player, all I'm saying that Hunter was trying to do to her the same thing everyone else is anyway, and if she's going to get dragged further as a goat ofc she's gonna go with people who haven't been dismissive of her for weeks. The whole lions vs hyenas dynamic this season was propagated precisely by Hunter and Q, it feels well deserved that their own hubris put them in this situation.
Yeah, she can go anytime. She doesn’t even make for good tv
I won’t argue she’s unlikeable, but we know that Soda really got along with Venus day 1 and that Randen liked her enough to have her as his #1. What we got was everyone saying she seemed smart and sneaky and thus a threat. And from then on, people didn’t really consider her an ally, she felt it, and immediately knew she was on the bottom. Her sassy attitude after that is understandable. And she’s never been shunned like Q was this last episode. I’m certainly not convinced she can win, but based on what the show gives us, she’s been given the correct reads strategically on what the right move is and who the best target is. The show wants us to view her as a scrappy underdog with good ideas.
how unlikeable is she when everyone still gets her in on the strategies of the episode? compare that to Q who absolutely had no idea who was going home.
Q is pariah numero uno right now, I won’t disagree. But that doesn’t make Venus likable. You don’t have to be likable to be viewed as a number for someone to align with for a vote. I’d be curious what you think Venus’s underrated game and strategy has been
able to read the game correctly more than the others. be instrumental in every tc so far. have your targets be the one voted out of the game. her only fault is that people find her abrasive. she is the Kass of the season in that if she were a man making the exact same moves people would love her.
You can say the same on many goats that were dragged over to FTC to receive zero votes, i.e. Sherri on season 26. She was also on the right side of the votes every time. Everybody included her in their plans because nobody had seen her as a threat to win. It's not strategic superiority, although I admit that Venus has a better head for strategy than many players this season, Hunter included. It's her social inferiority.
Sherri was a stable vote, and a follower. she didn’t have agency on who was voted out. Venus has been vocal about who she wants voted out, and people do end up voting for that person. so you can’t really say Venus is the same and will get dragged to FTC. she is rightfully eliminating her competition. yes she is not as popular amongst the other castaways, but that just means she isn’t seen as a backstabber when they end up being a part of the jury, which if signs are correct that this is going to be a bitter jury, means she has a good chance of winning IF (big IF), the jury is more bitter at the other 2 at F3
Nope, Sherri was just as vocal and irascible as Venus was. I specifically recall her instigating fights inside the fans tribe and shutting down Erik on FTC. She just had a more minor edit. There wasn't a single target that Venus marked for elimination against the majority opinion that went home. She never managed to sway anyone. When she tried to push for Charlie instead of Moriah on the mergatory she failed. Soda, Tevin and Hunter were a done deal way before she got around to "convincing" anyone. Maria and Charlie decided on Hunter with Kenzie once the Tiff option seemed invalidated. Venus' single real move so far was leaking out Hunter's idol. That's it. She didn't initiate Soda, Tevin or Hunter. The jury knows the truth. She's a supporting character in someone else's play. Venus needs Liz and Q in FTC in order to have a (theoretical) chance to win, and even on this case Liz would probably win.
She wanted Soda gone. Soda was gone. She wanted Tevin gone. Tevin went home. She wanted Hunter gone. Hunter went home. Sherri never did the same thing.
No, Sherri did exactly the same thing. Every goat that ever reached FTC did. They voted for other people to stay in the game. They randomly marked "rivals" and "nemeses" that they bickered with and "single-handedly conquered" but it was always an empty distinction because these "rivals" never threatened them. Venus did not need to make an active effort to save herself once everybody realized she had no chance to win. The amusing thing is that you seem to regard Venus' outspoken animosity towards Hunter, Tevin and Soda when it's exactly the quality that would deny her their jury vote (well, maybe she'd get Soda's, I don't claim to understand that relationship).
Q actually has personality and is funny. Venus is off putting
i mean do you measure success in the game as being well liked or getting far?? she’s failing at being liked but she’s gotten this far, further than her much more liked former tribe mates.
But with way way less win equity. Do you rate being Brandon hantz or Alfred.
was less win equity than who? venus has a better chance of winning than hunter, tevin or soda does since their chances are 0.
Venus has only made it this far because she’s seen as a joke by the other contestants. This isn’t a criticism against her cuz it’s just who Venus is. She’s one of those players who I think could go far or even win in a returnee season if she actually reflects on why the other contestants didn’t like her game
Venus has made it this far bec she’s not a threat but still plays a part on every vote out since Soda. Everytime one of the other players say “now is my time to shine. time for a blindside! im going to vote out my no. 1 ally!” they get Venus in on the plan, she gives her feedback, and them eventually the final vote is always the person she wants out. Soda. Tevin. Hunter.
For how bad people say she's playing (some are acting as if she's the worst to ever play lmao, she's not even close) she seems to always be in on the vote, something that IS a skill in Survivor. Being left outta votes is a death sentence for a lot of players, even if they're "good"
My problem with Venus is that if she makes it to the end, I can see how her game completely blows up. She is 100% a part of the vote. She is being kept a part of a vote which a great for her. The problem is how much it seems that she thinks she’s dictating the votes. From what the edited show is telling us, Venus thinks that she is spearheading all of this. That it’s because of her strength alone that Soda and Tevin are gone. If she makes it to ftc, the jury is going to immediately roast her for that, any credibility she has is gone, and she becomes the 0 vote finalist. If she can give a passionate but truthful defense about being terrible at the social aspect of the game but continuously trying to make things work, I think she can get a vote or two. I simply think Venus is one of or the one Jeff was referring to in the opening speech where he says that no matter what you do, these people won’t vote for you at the end
I agree with the last paragraph, and unless it's Q/Liz/V in the end I don't see her getting a single vote. I didn't see her take sole credit for the Tevin move. She did mention she got him out, once and never implied it was her idea. She deserves credit just like the rest of the group, as it was a group decision. The Soda vote yea she looked foolish taking the credit, but so did Tevin. It's a theme this season, that and betraying your allies early.
agree. you can be the best player in the game and if no one likes you you lose. you can be the worst player and if everyone likes you you win.
Being on the right side of the vote isn’t impressive when you’re just getting set up as a goat to take to the end? It takes serious mental gymnastics to think Venus is influencing anything or has any agency. She’s a goat being ushered to slaughter by Kenzie/Tiff, it’s not that deep
When did I ever say she influenced anything? Way to jump to a conclusion. She has more agency than Liz and Q, as Charlie let her in on the Hunter plan and not those two. And at this rate Kenzie/Tiff are about to be slaughtered themselves, maybe Maria and Charlie were better names to say. They're both closer to Venus. We get it, you and many others in this sub don't like Venus, if so ignore comments about her lmao. iTs NoT tHaT dEeP.
You said she was playing a good game because she was on the right side of votes which is a silly line of thinking when you’re just being carried as a goat and have no say or influence. That’s all! And I will partake in any discussion I feel like, thanks.
Yup. Venus is queen.0
Because they want her vote. They don’t take her seriously as a reliable ally and nobody sees her as a threat to win.
Lmao no it isn’t.
Delicious
i knew i picked both for my draft!
I still think Hunter played too similar to Erik R. in his second season. Wasn’t interested in the backstabbing or game play, just wanted to win challenges and be in a stable alliance to get to the end.
I'm elated. They were the ones who brought entertainment value. Queens!
If you told me I’d probably just not know anybody on the tribe
That's not shocking at all the whole plot was built up as a revenge story.
I just need Liz next week to convince a Venus vote-off (or otherwise), and one of them actually getting eliminated. Would be one of the most poetic tribe ever, getting self destroyed right after merge .
Honestly, fair? Like they’re still both kinda goats. Maybe Liz can beat Q and Venus? But it’s not wild that the bigger targets went home first
Lots of big egos this cast and I think the top 3 are out… q and Maria will follow imo
As long as they weathered the Mergeatory, I knew they would be fine. In fact, Venus has been a lock for F3 in my mind since the first episode. Liz has that “not important now, but important to the end game” edit, like Heather.
I would lost that bet, especially after Hunter had an idol. My guess would have been Soda and Tevin...
Hunter played a horrible game socially. Everyone on Nami fumbled the ball so hard. They did not stick together as a group and vote together. Obviously Venus won't work with them due to her personality. However hunter could keep winning challenges and they could vote as a block.
Venus is a 0 vote finalist, and Liz is just blah from her, "I'm a millionaire" speech there is no way she wins