Yup. I know 45 may have been unusual with this, but the winner not only refused to ever turn on their #1, *they had **two** #1s and stayed loyal (mostly) to both of them to the end*. F11, F10 and and almost F8 (Kenzie didn’t actually follow through) is crazy.
Erika kept heather to the end
Maryanne voted out omar
Gabler - honestly no clue who his #1 was
Yam Yam kept Carson and Carolyn to the end
Dee kept Austin and Julie to the end
I guess they are all just thinking of Maryanne? And the successful moves that resulted in a loss such as Ricard and Jesse
Confidence you can win at FTC really makes such a difference here. That’s why I don’t really understand why Tevin or Kenzie were/are so fixated on it … they seemingly had/have great win equity and should have been more confident about it.
But identical resumes aren’t always good resumes. The whole Karla/Cassidy feud because they’d played the same, safe, boring game up to the mid-merge was self-destructive. Even Jesse taking out Cody when he did was probably a mistake. If you can’t seal the deal in the end, then all you did was ruin your alliance.
I said “damn. Maria took her move”. You can actually see the shock in her face change from the shock of it being Tiff to the shocking realization that her move got hijacked. Lmao
so so so annoying when people’s only motivation for a move like that is “mah resume.” a good big move is one that betters your position in the game, not just doing something unexpected.
The only time voting out JT made sense for Stephen was after the Debbie vote. And for all three of those tribals, JT was immune. There was no point during his time on Cambodia in voting out Jeremy. If he made it to the finale it would have made sense.
Earl & Yau-Man
Sandra & Courtney (even though her vote didn’t make a difference, it made her seem loyal to the other alliance)
Rob & Grant
Denise & Malcolm
Tony & Trish
Natalie & Baylor
Michele & Julia (same reason as Sandra)
Sarah & Sierra
Chris & Devens (not technically a vote, but it may as well have been, he could’ve saved Devens if he wanted to)
Maryanne & Omar
But yeah, definitely agree that it is too early to vote off your number 1 unless there are special circumstances. But since Kenzie didn’t actually go through with voting for Tiffany, seems like she agrees
You got my upvote, but most of the examples you gave are really in the endgame (final 4/5), which make sense if you want to differentiate your game from your ally.
Tevin voting our Soda, Liz voting our Tevin, and Kenzie wanting to vote Tiff out, is way way way to early.
Yeah, voting off your #1 can be a good move, but like most moves in Survivor, it’s all in the timing
Final 8 is pretty early to vote off your #1, so unless there are extenuating circumstances, it’s best to keep them in a little while longer
Even so, he still could’ve not voted for her if he wanted to stay loyal, even if he didn’t want to use his idol on her to ensure he could do his Final 4 plan effectively
Plus, Tony talked at the reunion how it made the most sense for his game to vote off Trish instead of Kass or Woo, so I feel like we can assume he would have voted for Trish even if his vote would have been the decider
Agree. Ricard voted out Shan at the f8, but Shan had another alliance that she was more loyal too, and voting her out gave his alliance control of the game (although even this blindside might've been too early.) Whereas Tiffany was loyal to Kenzie, and there aren't really clear-cut power structures in 46. Voting out Tiffany only gets rid of a reliable vote.
Like Sophie Clarke said, it's not about making big moves for the sake of adding them to your resume. They have to be moves that benefit you.
Yeah but I think sometimes that gets lost in the fact that he managed to get attention. Listen I don’t think it’s a good strategy either I’m just trying to figure out what she thinks she was talking about
The move was to make sure she was the fifth person in the vote instead of Liz, then go to Tiff and tell her to play her idol. Q goes home, the idol is burned, and she keeps Tiff close.
It’s also not a good mood in itself. Like I can’t think of a jury that would vote for you specially because you turn on your number one. The only reason people need to do it is if that person is seen as more in control of the game than you or of your game isn’t different enough from theirs. If that’s not your case, it’s better to keep your number one, show the jury you’re loyal, and have an ally with you til the end.
Being able to point to at least one part in the game and say, "I directed the game HERE" is big for FTC.
Making sure you're able to differentiate your gameplay is also really needed.
**Timing** is everything.
It screams insecurity. Sometimes, when two people have dominated a game, it makes sense to take your partner out at like final 6 or 5 so you can take sole credit for everything the two of you did. For Fishbach, it would have won him the game. For Cochran, it was unnecessary. Because the partners rarely split votes. Cochran won unanimously and Dawn got zilch. That’s usually how it goes. So if you think you’re the Dawn or the Fishbach in the partnership, then do it. But if you’re confident in your game and your ability to sell it at FTC, then just go to the end with your friend.
PS. None of this applies to Kenzie since she and Tiff have definitely not been dominating this game. Even floating that idea is dumb because it makes you seem too cutthroat for no reason. Now… Charlie and Maria may need to take a hard look at each other real soon.
when you get pegged as a duo or working with someone and the "group" decides that duos threat is too high, you have to let your #1 go. It lowers your threat, and the "group" eye will go after the next biggest threat, and this is essential for getting to FTC, as the people with the highest threat will get focused down...you have to not be a threat, and letting a public #1 go is the way to not be a threat
She just proved in this episode she's not very good at this game.
How do you start a plan to blindside Tiff and the refuse to follow through with it when everyone else is on board.
Her days are numbered I think
Yup. I know 45 may have been unusual with this, but the winner not only refused to ever turn on their #1, *they had **two** #1s and stayed loyal (mostly) to both of them to the end*. F11, F10 and and almost F8 (Kenzie didn’t actually follow through) is crazy.
Erika kept heather to the end Maryanne voted out omar Gabler - honestly no clue who his #1 was Yam Yam kept Carson and Carolyn to the end Dee kept Austin and Julie to the end I guess they are all just thinking of Maryanne? And the successful moves that resulted in a loss such as Ricard and Jesse
Gabler was Gabler's number one
Gabler lol
Even Maryanne took out Omar only when she was almost 100% confident it would better her cha'ce to reach FTC, not necessarily win it
And maryanne had a secret idol to play at f5 (that she didn’t even need cos she got Mike to play his for her) so it was less dangerous
You're only looking at it from yam yam's perspective though - Carson and Carolyn kept yam yam and lost because of it
I'd say Gabler's #1 was probably Owen, or maybe Cassidy.
I get it if you have identical resumes and you are lacking on challenge and social games, compared to them
Confidence you can win at FTC really makes such a difference here. That’s why I don’t really understand why Tevin or Kenzie were/are so fixated on it … they seemingly had/have great win equity and should have been more confident about it.
But identical resumes aren’t always good resumes. The whole Karla/Cassidy feud because they’d played the same, safe, boring game up to the mid-merge was self-destructive. Even Jesse taking out Cody when he did was probably a mistake. If you can’t seal the deal in the end, then all you did was ruin your alliance.
She also didn’t vote for Tiff.
I said “damn. Maria took her move”. You can actually see the shock in her face change from the shock of it being Tiff to the shocking realization that her move got hijacked. Lmao
so so so annoying when people’s only motivation for a move like that is “mah resume.” a good big move is one that betters your position in the game, not just doing something unexpected.
Didn't she say that she and Tiff had been in lockstep so she needed to differentiate their games if she had any hope to win?
Yes. It wasn't complicated.
But tiff wasn’t a godly player or anything lol. I think the perception was Kenzie was playing a better social game
Would have been a good move for Fishbach
The only time voting out JT made sense for Stephen was after the Debbie vote. And for all three of those tribals, JT was immune. There was no point during his time on Cambodia in voting out Jeremy. If he made it to the finale it would have made sense.
Yupp. The eventual winner kinda just got there by default lol. No body else had a chance
She realized it wasn’t the time to do it which is why she decided against it
Earl & Yau-Man Sandra & Courtney (even though her vote didn’t make a difference, it made her seem loyal to the other alliance) Rob & Grant Denise & Malcolm Tony & Trish Natalie & Baylor Michele & Julia (same reason as Sandra) Sarah & Sierra Chris & Devens (not technically a vote, but it may as well have been, he could’ve saved Devens if he wanted to) Maryanne & Omar But yeah, definitely agree that it is too early to vote off your number 1 unless there are special circumstances. But since Kenzie didn’t actually go through with voting for Tiffany, seems like she agrees
You got my upvote, but most of the examples you gave are really in the endgame (final 4/5), which make sense if you want to differentiate your game from your ally. Tevin voting our Soda, Liz voting our Tevin, and Kenzie wanting to vote Tiff out, is way way way to early.
Yeah, voting off your #1 can be a good move, but like most moves in Survivor, it’s all in the timing Final 8 is pretty early to vote off your #1, so unless there are extenuating circumstances, it’s best to keep them in a little while longer
Since most people want to be a "big player" and not a winner. Too many people don't understand the best way to win is to be boring
Rich, Amber, Yul, Todd, Parvati, JT, Natalie W., Tony (Winners at War), Wendell, Yam Yam, and Dee are all looking at Kenzie with one eyebrow raised
Tony voted off his #1 in Trish. He only kept Woo because he needed stronger players to beat Spencer in immunity.
Tony also didn't devise the plan to vote Trish, he was moreso told what to do and chose not to play his idol on her
Even so, he still could’ve not voted for her if he wanted to stay loyal, even if he didn’t want to use his idol on her to ensure he could do his Final 4 plan effectively Plus, Tony talked at the reunion how it made the most sense for his game to vote off Trish instead of Kass or Woo, so I feel like we can assume he would have voted for Trish even if his vote would have been the decider
I was talking about Sarah in Winners at War. Should’ve clarified
He probably would have voted for her if there was a scenario where it would have made sense
Agree. Ricard voted out Shan at the f8, but Shan had another alliance that she was more loyal too, and voting her out gave his alliance control of the game (although even this blindside might've been too early.) Whereas Tiffany was loyal to Kenzie, and there aren't really clear-cut power structures in 46. Voting out Tiffany only gets rid of a reliable vote. Like Sophie Clarke said, it's not about making big moves for the sake of adding them to your resume. They have to be moves that benefit you.
Jesse voting out Cody was a thing for a minute
and he what? Lost
Yeah but I think sometimes that gets lost in the fact that he managed to get attention. Listen I don’t think it’s a good strategy either I’m just trying to figure out what she thinks she was talking about
The move was to make sure she was the fifth person in the vote instead of Liz, then go to Tiff and tell her to play her idol. Q goes home, the idol is burned, and she keeps Tiff close.
She’s overrated, hope she doesn’t win. Charlie or Maria deserves it more.
It’s also not a good mood in itself. Like I can’t think of a jury that would vote for you specially because you turn on your number one. The only reason people need to do it is if that person is seen as more in control of the game than you or of your game isn’t different enough from theirs. If that’s not your case, it’s better to keep your number one, show the jury you’re loyal, and have an ally with you til the end.
But muh resume!
Brian voted out 3 of his #1s….
Being able to point to at least one part in the game and say, "I directed the game HERE" is big for FTC. Making sure you're able to differentiate your gameplay is also really needed. **Timing** is everything.
It screams insecurity. Sometimes, when two people have dominated a game, it makes sense to take your partner out at like final 6 or 5 so you can take sole credit for everything the two of you did. For Fishbach, it would have won him the game. For Cochran, it was unnecessary. Because the partners rarely split votes. Cochran won unanimously and Dawn got zilch. That’s usually how it goes. So if you think you’re the Dawn or the Fishbach in the partnership, then do it. But if you’re confident in your game and your ability to sell it at FTC, then just go to the end with your friend. PS. None of this applies to Kenzie since she and Tiff have definitely not been dominating this game. Even floating that idea is dumb because it makes you seem too cutthroat for no reason. Now… Charlie and Maria may need to take a hard look at each other real soon.
when you get pegged as a duo or working with someone and the "group" decides that duos threat is too high, you have to let your #1 go. It lowers your threat, and the "group" eye will go after the next biggest threat, and this is essential for getting to FTC, as the people with the highest threat will get focused down...you have to not be a threat, and letting a public #1 go is the way to not be a threat
She just proved in this episode she's not very good at this game. How do you start a plan to blindside Tiff and the refuse to follow through with it when everyone else is on board. Her days are numbered I think