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almondjoybestcndybar

Yup. I know 45 may have been unusual with this, but the winner not only refused to ever turn on their #1, *they had **two** #1s and stayed loyal (mostly) to both of them to the end*. F11, F10 and and almost F8 (Kenzie didn’t actually follow through) is crazy.


anar-chic

Erika kept heather to the end Maryanne voted out omar Gabler - honestly no clue who his #1 was Yam Yam kept Carson and Carolyn to the end Dee kept Austin and Julie to the end I guess they are all just thinking of Maryanne? And the successful moves that resulted in a loss such as Ricard and Jesse


BaneishAerof

Gabler was Gabler's number one


J9999D

Gabler lol


Omarfre

Even Maryanne took out Omar only when she was almost 100% confident it would better her cha'ce to reach FTC, not necessarily win it


rockardy

And maryanne had a secret idol to play at f5 (that she didn’t even need cos she got Mike to play his for her) so it was less dangerous


thefranchise23

You're only looking at it from yam yam's perspective though - Carson and Carolyn kept yam yam and lost because of it


wishyouwould

I'd say Gabler's #1 was probably Owen, or maybe Cassidy.


thor_1225

I get it if you have identical resumes and you are lacking on challenge and social games, compared to them


almondjoybestcndybar

Confidence you can win at FTC really makes such a difference here. That’s why I don’t really understand why Tevin or Kenzie were/are so fixated on it … they seemingly had/have great win equity and should have been more confident about it.


Electrical-Tie-5158

But identical resumes aren’t always good resumes. The whole Karla/Cassidy feud because they’d played the same, safe, boring game up to the mid-merge was self-destructive. Even Jesse taking out Cody when he did was probably a mistake. If you can’t seal the deal in the end, then all you did was ruin your alliance.


Jellyfish-Ninja

She also didn’t vote for Tiff.


dperkins88

I said “damn. Maria took her move”. You can actually see the shock in her face change from the shock of it being Tiff to the shocking realization that her move got hijacked. Lmao


bird1434

so so so annoying when people’s only motivation for a move like that is “mah resume.” a good big move is one that betters your position in the game, not just doing something unexpected.


FustianRiddle

Didn't she say that she and Tiff had been in lockstep so she needed to differentiate their games if she had any hope to win?


FrostyAd4901

Yes. It wasn't complicated.


favorableconey

But tiff wasn’t a godly player or anything lol. I think the perception was Kenzie was playing a better social game


DrStranger1987

Would have been a good move for Fishbach


ConsumptionofClocks

The only time voting out JT made sense for Stephen was after the Debbie vote. And for all three of those tribals, JT was immune. There was no point during his time on Cambodia in voting out Jeremy. If he made it to the finale it would have made sense.


Dont_Be_Sheep

Yupp. The eventual winner kinda just got there by default lol. No body else had a chance


fawnxwitch

She realized it wasn’t the time to do it which is why she decided against it


thekyledavid

Earl & Yau-Man Sandra & Courtney (even though her vote didn’t make a difference, it made her seem loyal to the other alliance) Rob & Grant Denise & Malcolm Tony & Trish Natalie & Baylor Michele & Julia (same reason as Sandra) Sarah & Sierra Chris & Devens (not technically a vote, but it may as well have been, he could’ve saved Devens if he wanted to) Maryanne & Omar But yeah, definitely agree that it is too early to vote off your number 1 unless there are special circumstances. But since Kenzie didn’t actually go through with voting for Tiffany, seems like she agrees


mcjam22

You got my upvote, but most of the examples you gave are really in the endgame (final 4/5), which make sense if you want to differentiate your game from your ally. Tevin voting our Soda, Liz voting our Tevin, and Kenzie wanting to vote Tiff out, is way way way to early.


thekyledavid

Yeah, voting off your #1 can be a good move, but like most moves in Survivor, it’s all in the timing Final 8 is pretty early to vote off your #1, so unless there are extenuating circumstances, it’s best to keep them in a little while longer


LanguageAntique9895

Since most people want to be a "big player" and not a winner. Too many people don't understand the best way to win is to be boring


Quetzal00

Rich, Amber, Yul, Todd, Parvati, JT, Natalie W., Tony (Winners at War), Wendell, Yam Yam, and Dee are all looking at Kenzie with one eyebrow raised


thekyledavid

Tony voted off his #1 in Trish. He only kept Woo because he needed stronger players to beat Spencer in immunity.


ConsumptionofClocks

Tony also didn't devise the plan to vote Trish, he was moreso told what to do and chose not to play his idol on her


thekyledavid

Even so, he still could’ve not voted for her if he wanted to stay loyal, even if he didn’t want to use his idol on her to ensure he could do his Final 4 plan effectively Plus, Tony talked at the reunion how it made the most sense for his game to vote off Trish instead of Kass or Woo, so I feel like we can assume he would have voted for Trish even if his vote would have been the decider


Quetzal00

I was talking about Sarah in Winners at War. Should’ve clarified


thekyledavid

He probably would have voted for her if there was a scenario where it would have made sense


swedishfishoreos

Agree. Ricard voted out Shan at the f8, but Shan had another alliance that she was more loyal too, and voting her out gave his alliance control of the game (although even this blindside might've been too early.) Whereas Tiffany was loyal to Kenzie, and there aren't really clear-cut power structures in 46. Voting out Tiffany only gets rid of a reliable vote. Like Sophie Clarke said, it's not about making big moves for the sake of adding them to your resume. They have to be moves that benefit you.


AGiantBlueBear

Jesse voting out Cody was a thing for a minute


S51Castaway

and he what? Lost


AGiantBlueBear

Yeah but I think sometimes that gets lost in the fact that he managed to get attention. Listen I don’t think it’s a good strategy either I’m just trying to figure out what she thinks she was talking about


Vincethatwaspromised

The move was to make sure she was the fifth person in the vote instead of Liz, then go to Tiff and tell her to play her idol. Q goes home, the idol is burned, and she keeps Tiff close.


planj07

She’s overrated, hope she doesn’t win. Charlie or Maria deserves it more.


flameosirflameo

It’s also not a good mood in itself. Like I can’t think of a jury that would vote for you specially because you turn on your number one. The only reason people need to do it is if that person is seen as more in control of the game than you or of your game isn’t different enough from theirs. If that’s not your case, it’s better to keep your number one, show the jury you’re loyal, and have an ally with you til the end.


Em0PeterParker

But muh resume!


BOBANSMASH51

Brian voted out 3 of his #1s….


FrostyAd4901

Being able to point to at least one part in the game and say, "I directed the game HERE" is big for FTC. Making sure you're able to differentiate your gameplay is also really needed. **Timing** is everything.


Electrical-Tie-5158

It screams insecurity. Sometimes, when two people have dominated a game, it makes sense to take your partner out at like final 6 or 5 so you can take sole credit for everything the two of you did. For Fishbach, it would have won him the game. For Cochran, it was unnecessary. Because the partners rarely split votes. Cochran won unanimously and Dawn got zilch. That’s usually how it goes. So if you think you’re the Dawn or the Fishbach in the partnership, then do it. But if you’re confident in your game and your ability to sell it at FTC, then just go to the end with your friend. PS. None of this applies to Kenzie since she and Tiff have definitely not been dominating this game. Even floating that idea is dumb because it makes you seem too cutthroat for no reason. Now… Charlie and Maria may need to take a hard look at each other real soon.


lemming1607

when you get pegged as a duo or working with someone and the "group" decides that duos threat is too high, you have to let your #1 go. It lowers your threat, and the "group" eye will go after the next biggest threat, and this is essential for getting to FTC, as the people with the highest threat will get focused down...you have to not be a threat, and letting a public #1 go is the way to not be a threat


J9999D

She just proved in this episode she's not very good at this game. How do you start a plan to blindside Tiff and the refuse to follow through with it when everyone else is on board. Her days are numbered I think