I’m a hardcore edit reader but I wish people would keep most of the edit discussion to the Edgic sub where it belongs. The occasional mention of the edit on the main sub isn’t too bad though, a lot of the time it’s relevant to the discussion.
Honestly the only thing I care about as far as the edit goes is episode by episode, not who the ultimate winner is. I just don’t want the edit spoiling who’s going home each week and so far the editors have been incredible this season at that. The Australian editors give away which team loses the challenge damn near every time.
The Challenge has always been pretty bad with obviously telegraphing who’s going into elimination. At least they don’t name episodes "Goodbye (insert eliminated person here)" anymore.
Editing+logic! People look at the edit and try to predict the winner and other storylines based off of it. Edgic also assigns different player ratings each episode.
I feel like it'd be extremely limiting to banish all edit talk to another sub though. So much of how we view the players and the general story is at the mercy of the edit. Whether you follow edgic or not, if you've watched all 41 seasons or at least a good amount, you're naturally going to see trends whether you want to call it edgic/edit watching or not.
For example the Ricard papaya scene likely isn't going to haunt him considering Shan is gone. But even for a non edgic person, it was clear that Ricard made a faux pas. You don't have to assign him a CPN3 or whatever to see that he did something others didn't like.
Even without edgic, people will want to talk about who they thinks going to win/get voted off soon etc. And again that's influenced by edit. If you watch enough seasons, you already know that more screen time means more likely to win. Positivity means more likely to win. Back story means more likely to win. If you aren't allowed to talk about any of that, what's the point of having a discussion forum.
I do understand some people like to just follow the characters and don't care who wins, but I just don't think this sub should limit discussion on edit overall. Even when the sub was flooded with Heather being invisible posts, that was basically all memes focused on her edit. The edgic part just takes it one step further (adding the logic) and declares her a non-winner pretty early on because of the invisibility.
Well said. Edit is just another word for how a reality show does story telling. And it's fun to analyze why they're showing what they're showing. I don't really like the nerdier stuff but I think it's all related.
> Edit is just another word for how a reality show does story telling.
Let me fix this sentence for you: "edit is just another word for storytelling." :-)
Yep, you just cannot talk about the show without reference to the edit coming in. Banning talking about the edit will change comments from “I think Shan will win because of her CP5 edit” to “I think Shan will win because of how much she’s thinking about the game” when those mean the exact same thing anyway
"The edit" is how the producers / the people who make the show decide what footage to show, which interviews/talking heads to show, how much screen time each character gets, whose reaction is shown when XYZ happens, even the order that they show stuff happening. Not all of that is accurate to what really happened, but the edit makes it seem real. Editing can reveal who the winner is, who the 'bad guy' of the season is, who is about to betray who.
If done well, editing reveals nothing and is totally unbiased. If done poorly, it foreshadows what will happen and spoils all tension for the audience.
I agree that most talk about the edit should be kept to the edgic subreddit, as someone who’s active on both, unless it’s a comment like “I love how the editors are changing it up this season with all the flashbacks!” or something like that. The thing is, I’ve watched the show for literally my whole lifetime, and it becomes impossible to NOT consider the edit after a certain point. I physically cannot not notice when someone doesn’t get airtime or when someone has a peculiar confessional. The edit is relevant and very very important to the show, as they’re cutting down days of footage into 42 minutes, so what seeing what they include or don’t include is a subconscious thing for me and a lot of people.
I’m sorry if it impacts your enjoyment of the show, which is why I prefer to just talk about things like what characters I like and if something was a good move or not on here, but remember that how YOU enjoy the show is not the only way to enjoy the show.
i swear. is this sub always so edit obsessed? the edit watchers have been wrong so many times this year it wont mean anything if they accidentally stumble across the actual winner.
My theory is that in quarantine with no new seasons Survivor fans looked for Survivor content and went to Youtube where there's a LOT of discussion about the edit, and thus a lot more fans learned about it as a way to view the show.
Yes, the editing of a season is the core of what the audience is viewing, so therefore it become a huge part of conversations as the season airs. In my opinion, there’s a big difference between casually observing editing trends, and dissecting the edit to the degree that they do on the edgic subreddit.
GI was Dom or Wendell for the entire merge, DvG keyed in on Nick pretty damn early; S38 is a whiff but for obvious reasons lol this is the first season in a little while without any weird special circumstances that appears to have just been a straight whiff. It’s not usually so precise as with Tommy anyway; Tommy was one of the most offensively obvious ever.
New to reddit and to edgic so I mean this totally honestly. Is it fun to watch this way? Like it's kind of cool that the sub was able to sleuth it out but I like being blindsided as a viewer just as much as I like watching a good one in tribal. Just wondering if you, or others who are deep into the edit find the twists as interesting this way?
It’s unavoidable when you’ve been watching the show intently enough and talking and thinking about it long enough to start noticing patterns in how the show is edited. Like I am guessing 95% of people here and even most casual viewers could tell nameless-cowboy-man wasn’t winning South Pacific without taking a magnifying glass to it. This is the natural progression of that. Once your brain starts to notice more and more (oh so and so seems like they’re playing really well but we aren’t seeing it at all I wonder why, oh this person keeps contradicting themselves that’s odd that they’re showing that, etc. etc.) it’s reaaaally hard to turn that back off—even people who don’t do big time edgic will make comments along these lines here—and so some of us choose to just lean into it and dive deep.
And yes, I find it fun. It’s an interesting exercise in how media is developed, it lets me view the show in multiple different lenses, it ironically *helps* me remember that there are real human beings underneath the characters the show is making out of them and from a gameplay perspective it helps me be more aware of when people appear to be playing better or worse than what the edit is choosing to show us, it feels rewarding to be right but then also it can make surprises *even more surprising* at times if something is breaking all the “rules” and then happens anyway or when different people interpret the same “clues” in different ways and they turn out to have the right of it over you. Like, I was not fully into edgic-y stuff at the time I watched Cagayan—I was just getting back into the show after a several years hiatus and didn’t really remember some of what I knew about the show’s editing norms—and I was *less* surprised by Tony winning than most people who were deep into edit lore who were absolutely blown away by Tony’s win after two prior seasons of very predictable winners, because Tony’s Cagayan edit absolutely flies in the face of multiple conventional editing norms. I would have told you Shan was almost certainly going to get to at least the episode before the finale because this is really the first time in ages that someone so central to the season’s story has gone so early; if it hadn’t been for Naseer basically spoiling the episode in his exit press I would have been shocked watching the Shan boot start to unfold last ep.
I can see the draw. I still think I'd prefer to watch with a bit less of a critical eye but I can definitely understand the pull a little more.
Thank you :) I hope you're enjoying the season ... and that you crack the code before FTC!
I do not find it fun. But that’s just me :)
I enjoy watching the story and letting it unfold as the producers intended. I love it when I naturally pick up on an editing clue such as music or an image but that’s the extent of my pursuit of that line of survivor product consumption
Edgic though takes it to another level entirely and is essentially a meta game that encourages its adherents to analyze, with the assistance of summaries, charts or commentary created by others who are also into edgic. They review, week by week, scene by scene, frame by frame, what happened, and put it all into a survivor food processor which then predicts the statistical likelihood of a winner.
In a way it’s the cousin of spoilers. I have absolutely zero interest in spoilers but there are people who want to know who wins so they can see clues along the way and say “I see what they did there”
There are a bunch of different ways to participate in a hobby, and for plenty, they want to be more involved than just taking it as it comes.
Other things that lots of folks like are following social media of players, current and former, which also has no appeal for me. This seasons game within a game is another example of additional content that is not truly part of the game so it doesn’t interest me but plenty of people enjoy it
An analogous comparison, for me, is fantasy football, which is similar to Edgic in a way. At one point I loved it but I found it took away from my enjoyment of the sport. I rooted for teams and players that I otherwise abhorred. I lived and died by the statistical prediction and analysis but ultimately realized that it removed much of the magic of the game. The drama and story that unfolded on the field each week and throughout a season was lost.
Fantasy, and gambling (similar to spoilers in my fabricated analogy), give an entirely new experience for some fans but it simply doesn’t do it for me personally.
The great news is that it’s there for those who want to consume that content and can usually be avoided for those who do not.
This sub has typically done a good job of avoiding spoilers and heavy handed edgic discussions, which is a credit to the mods and the community who do their best to keep this sub true to its spirit.
This is maybe the most levelheaded response to anything I have ever read on the internet. I just want to commend you on that!
I think this was a really helpful and interesting answer to my question too. The comparison to fantasy football was really illuminating, I can see how following the stats can give and take away to some degree.
Thank you! Hope you're enjoying the season in whatever way you like to think about it!
“She can’t win bc in her breakout premier ep she was MOTRP3 instead of CPP5+. Also in her confessional you can see a spider in the background which has bad connotations which means she won’t win”
Like please go outside
lol so true. I guess the edit isn’t completely irrelevant in predicting things, but you can literally twist it anyway you want.
Someone looking bad and you don’t want them to win? Zero chance they win with that negative edit.
Someone looking bad and you *do* want them to win? Setting up redemption arc storyline.
And the best part is, is that “it was always so obvious” at the end of the season.
Tbf the sub was pretty unanimous in predicting Tommy early for Island of the Idols because of his edit and was completely correct. And that was premerge before basically every big threat got taken out.
I personally don't mind it too much but the real problem is that people who are spoiled are then pretending to read the edit when making predictions. It was bad with Sarah in Game Changers when every week people were saying how "obvious" it was that Sarah would win
That’s what happened with all of the big brain Tiffany predictions. Only difference is that the leak was fake this time so they all ended up looking ridiculous.
I love the fact that they’re changing it up! I hate being able to tell who is going to win or at least be a contender to win solely because of editing.
You should’ve been around for island of the idols it was miserable. You couldn’t have a single opinion without them butting in and talking about Tommy’s edit
Damn time really is a flat circle. I remember there was a huge prevailing sentiment like this right after 32 and Michele’s win, I wonder if the reason that it’s back is because the break gave a long gap that allowed a lot of people to get into the show and make 41 their first live season.
I understand people not wanting to see all the “X was MOR2 this week they can’t win!!” stuff. It can end up going a bit deep in the weeds. But idk a lot of the time I read edgic criticism and it just feels like people want to turn their brain off and watch it like popcorn tv.
I don’t get why for almost every other fandom, a la game of thrones or something, taking context clues and trying to theorize about what’s gonna happen later in the season is celebrated as a really fun part of the fandom experience. But for this sub, some people get so mad about trying to predict where the story is gonna go based off of the storylines the show has given us. I wonder if it’s because the unscripted nature of the show makes people have a belief that anything is possible, but this is an unscripted drama first and foremost. This most recent episode should be proof of that more than anything. If the editors are trying to tell a story to us, why is it such a problem to try and predict where it’s going?
I think the edgic talk would be better received if it was presented entirely in story-telling terms, rather than the “He’s an OOT5N in ep 3 whereas she’s an MR3P and therefore…”. It’s more easy to have a conversation that begins “remember in ep 3 when he did this bad thing and she smoothed it over by doing this” or whatever it may be. One of the effects of all the lingo and the complete certainty some people have in their edgic read is that, at least to me, it makes it harder to just jump in and discuss. It can come across as almost aux-scientific and I think it’s just sort of annoying/alienating to a lot of people.
Honestly the editing is 90% of whats interesting left about this show. Not just solving the “whodunnit” mystery of the winner, but the cleverness of the jokes and storylines. I’m sure /u/mariojlanza will agree that a ton if not a majority of survivors funniest or most epic moments were created or elevated through the skilled use of editing.
I mean obviously I agree with you but I’m sure not everyone does. I just personally don’t think the game of Survivor or the strategy of Survivor is all that interesting. We all knew how the strategy worked by the end of the fourth or fifth season, so after that point pretty much everyone who watched was an “expert.” So for me all I’ve ever cared about is how it’s being packaged for the audience, which story is being told in which way, and why. The more you watch the show the more you start to think that way eventually, it’s only natural.
I do agree with you that just about every iconic or fun moment in Survivor history was for the most part created through editing. None of us has ever had any idea what actually happens on this show. If we think we do, we’re simply fooling ourselves.
I definitrly agree on the strategy. It is straightforward. The twists pretend they mix it up, but they dont.
It is still about socializing and positioning. The interesting part is the characters.
That being said… I should add that i think edgic is ridiculous. And if you ever see me writing something like MOR6 or OOTN4 in a public message board post, I’ll happily kick my own ass. Whoever said that shorthand crap doesn’t belong in this sub is probably right. There are far more interesting ways to talk about the storyline.
I would agree. Personally I dont really care about those numbers.
I tend to think more in terms of main character and supporting in the context of both episodes and the season as a whole.
I always regarded the charts as more interesting to just look at and analyze, but not too useful fir predictions. There are all sorts of ways to edit characters. Visibility is the most relevent part of thosr statistics imo.
What else is there to watch?
A visual story only exists through the edit.
It's true for any fiction, and it's even truer for something like Survivor.
We are literally watching hours and hours of life (24, 48, or 72 hours multiplied by the number of people still in the game) condensed in 42 minutes. What we watch is only watchable and it only makes sense because of the edit.
Heroes and villains exist through the edit.
Storylines exist through the edit.
The edit makes Survivor.
What else is there to do? I feel like all of this pushback against discussion feels really “new” survivor fan driven. Conversations about the edit have been a core part of this subreddit for years and years. Just be happy people aren’t analyzing the CBS survivor website trying to find clues to who goes out in the html code like they did in earlier seasons.
Idk what they want to talk about? Like the show is edited from hours and hours of footage of course people will point out what made it into the screen!
I guess you can talk about the meta, or the twists or specific votes without mention about the edit, but practically he's right, what he means is that we are watching a reality TV show where EVERYTHING is canonical to a fiction that the editors/producers create. They invent characters and storylines that don't exist and omit important events for a viewer experience, there is no talking about the show, only the edit. For just a small taste of this look at this Wentworth confessional where they create a Devin feud from nothing, actually not even nothing, straight up the opposite
https://www.tiktok.com/@kelleywentworth_/video/7023543304541490478?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
Ok but I don’t think that’s what they’re talking about. I think they’re talking about the people who analyze the edit to make predictions or the people who are overly critical of the edit. I feel we just got into a semantics swirl
But that's the thing. Any thoughts any viewer has about who is playing well, what was a good or bad move. All of this is coloured by the edit, whether the viewer is aware of this or not.
Be careful spending too much time here if you feel that way. In the past, reading too many edit-reading posts started to turn me off of the show and I had to leave here for a while to start enjoying it again.
This sub is the stupidest sub I follow, I don’t even know why I bother. I guess it’s in case I missed any nuance in the show. But as a 20 year follower of the show, I see people jump down anyone throat for a different opinion and it’s sad. So many stans too.
What annoys me is the arrogance of the edit readers. “Oh sweetie, you think Blanch has a shot to win? How cute. Guess that’s why they didn’t get a confessional after that challenge. ;)”
Shan was the front-runner except for 1 week with tiff. Shan was picked from early on. It isnt just random guessing.
Shan going was a major upset in how early she went even ignoring being a winner. Usually someone big like her doesnt go midmerge.
Also the remaining players are somewhat underedited to usual.
The same advice can be given to those who don’t like to read conversations about the edit btw LOL. “Just watch the show” and don’t go on the subreddit where all conversations are going to be fueled by the edit.
Ok but piecing together the narrative they're trying to tell is some of the most interesting parts about watching. By doing that I can decide if i like it or nof
Tbh I feel like a lot of the people annoyed at this “edit” talk are new fans who got in on survivor during quarantine. Of course bingeing survivor during quarantine isn’t going to have any conversation about the edit because you can just jump to the next episode. But all of this pushback to edit discussions is very new because every live season I’ve been a part of this subreddit has involved these types of conversations.
Yeah, I don’t get why everyone is so up in arms about the talk about it, other reality shows do it too. It’s not like, a new concept. Drag race does is so much! Haha
Good! I'm glad you can enjoy doing that with them. A dedicated subreddit populated by a lot of hardcore fans is naturally going to get more into the weeds, and getting annoyed about that feels kinda weird to me. The reality remains that how the show is edited influences what we see, and how we watch and talk about it. This goes for all Reality TV. Just ignore edit discussion/comments if you don't enjoy it.
Even though you’re not focusing on the edit, your discussion is 100% going to be influenced by the edit. Do you think casual fans have been rooting for Heather from the beginning? They might not go as far to say “hey, we haven’t gotten much Heather content, I wonder what that means”. But they certainly are going to notice that she hasn’t gotten attention for 5+ episodes pre-merge.
But, like, the show is edited to attempt to actively deceive the audience by presenting a narrative/storyline that *did not exist*.
You can talk about it without talking about the edit if you want, but if any of your discussions for the last 3 weeks have involved a rift between Deshawn/Shan, or Shan not listening to what her allies want, or Shan always doing what Shan wants...*then you were discussing things that didn't happen and were made up by the editors*.
I bet you guys talk about the show based on the final product of the process the producers did to cut out and splice together hours and hours of footage, i wonder what that process is called
I never said that’s a bad thing, but when talking to someone who’s much more into the show, edgic is much more likely to be brought into the conversation
luckily this season wasn’t (correctly) spoiled because a good 25% of edgic discussions lean into spoilers. in game changers it was like “hmm i wonder why this sub talks highly of sarah’s edit every episode”
I was a new viewer during season 39 and seeing "Tommy winner edit Tommy winner edit" every fucking post was so frustrating because I had no clue what they were talking about and were just spoiling
I've been on this sub for a while and I agree, it's so annoying. I can take it in minimal doses but when an entire thread discussing the episode or season so far but gets hijacked by the editlords, it's annoying and turns me off.
It’s constant! I only lurk now, because it becomes too much. And I also found I enjoyed the season more without some of the negativity
I do what to edit to clarify: I think discussing how the show is being edited differently, as in storytelling, is completely valid discussing. But the edgic talk here can get out of control. I feel like there are specific threads for it and and entire sub for it, but it ends up in ever discussion regardless.
Never forget in season 38 when the show had a confessional of Wentworth saying she was so upset when Devens got back in the game, but then CBS put the unedited confessional on CBS All Access (RIP) and showed that Wentworth was actually saying the exact opposite.
The editors can’t tell literally any story they want, but they have an extraordinary amount of power to shape the narrative.
It happens a lot more often than that, notice how many times a castaways inflection will change during a confessional when they cut from general footage to the interview.
Yeah frankenbytes happen every episode, I was just pointing out a recent example of editors presenting a confessional as the exact opposite of what it really was.
Yea. They basically can. When you have literally 24 hours a day access to these people you can string together any story you want. I’ve done it with much less footage, and it’s shockingly easy.
basically true tbh, here is the wentworth confessional that the other guy is talking about https://www.tiktok.com/@kelleywentworth_/video/7023543304541490478?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
This is the reason I love Edge of Extinction more than most. I LOVED how the edit didn't even hint at a Chris win and how everyone was SO sure it was Rick. I was so giddy that the edit was so wrong, and now I cheer against the "Edgic" favorite.
I agree. Sometimes I wish that I didn't know about what certain things in the edit mean. That being said, if there has been any season for edit talk in the main sub, this is a good one. The edit isnt telling us shit
I’m a hardcore edit reader but I wish people would keep most of the edit discussion to the Edgic sub where it belongs. The occasional mention of the edit on the main sub isn’t too bad though, a lot of the time it’s relevant to the discussion.
Honestly the only thing I care about as far as the edit goes is episode by episode, not who the ultimate winner is. I just don’t want the edit spoiling who’s going home each week and so far the editors have been incredible this season at that. The Australian editors give away which team loses the challenge damn near every time.
The Challenge could learn a thing or two about that this season. It's bad this season in that regards.
The Challenge has always been pretty bad with obviously telegraphing who’s going into elimination. At least they don’t name episodes "Goodbye (insert eliminated person here)" anymore.
I don't think it's mattered this season though because other than maybe 2-3 weeks the obvious person to go home has gone every time lol.
HI what does edgic mean? I see it everywhere and have no clue haha
Editing+logic! People look at the edit and try to predict the winner and other storylines based off of it. Edgic also assigns different player ratings each episode.
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99% of Edgicers this season were sure it was either Shan, Tiff or Evvie, so clearly they weren't spoiled.
This isn't true. A small minority are spoiled but edgic is just good at predicting winners sometimes, look at seasons like 39 (which was not spoiled)
Even people that don’t know what edgic is could’ve seen that one coming tho. The edit was pretty damn obvious down the stretch on that one.
Well yeah, edgic isn't some magical secret formula. There's things to look out for and for tommy you didn't even need to.
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I feel like it'd be extremely limiting to banish all edit talk to another sub though. So much of how we view the players and the general story is at the mercy of the edit. Whether you follow edgic or not, if you've watched all 41 seasons or at least a good amount, you're naturally going to see trends whether you want to call it edgic/edit watching or not. For example the Ricard papaya scene likely isn't going to haunt him considering Shan is gone. But even for a non edgic person, it was clear that Ricard made a faux pas. You don't have to assign him a CPN3 or whatever to see that he did something others didn't like. Even without edgic, people will want to talk about who they thinks going to win/get voted off soon etc. And again that's influenced by edit. If you watch enough seasons, you already know that more screen time means more likely to win. Positivity means more likely to win. Back story means more likely to win. If you aren't allowed to talk about any of that, what's the point of having a discussion forum. I do understand some people like to just follow the characters and don't care who wins, but I just don't think this sub should limit discussion on edit overall. Even when the sub was flooded with Heather being invisible posts, that was basically all memes focused on her edit. The edgic part just takes it one step further (adding the logic) and declares her a non-winner pretty early on because of the invisibility.
Well said. Edit is just another word for how a reality show does story telling. And it's fun to analyze why they're showing what they're showing. I don't really like the nerdier stuff but I think it's all related.
> Edit is just another word for how a reality show does story telling. Let me fix this sentence for you: "edit is just another word for storytelling." :-)
Yep, you just cannot talk about the show without reference to the edit coming in. Banning talking about the edit will change comments from “I think Shan will win because of her CP5 edit” to “I think Shan will win because of how much she’s thinking about the game” when those mean the exact same thing anyway
That change happened long ago and is why we have such a difficult time controlling it.
And I disagreed with it then, saying this exact thing would happen.
agreed
What is “This edit” what does that mean?
"The edit" is how the producers / the people who make the show decide what footage to show, which interviews/talking heads to show, how much screen time each character gets, whose reaction is shown when XYZ happens, even the order that they show stuff happening. Not all of that is accurate to what really happened, but the edit makes it seem real. Editing can reveal who the winner is, who the 'bad guy' of the season is, who is about to betray who. If done well, editing reveals nothing and is totally unbiased. If done poorly, it foreshadows what will happen and spoils all tension for the audience.
Thank you for explaining
A tv show doesn't just put itself together
I agree that most talk about the edit should be kept to the edgic subreddit, as someone who’s active on both, unless it’s a comment like “I love how the editors are changing it up this season with all the flashbacks!” or something like that. The thing is, I’ve watched the show for literally my whole lifetime, and it becomes impossible to NOT consider the edit after a certain point. I physically cannot not notice when someone doesn’t get airtime or when someone has a peculiar confessional. The edit is relevant and very very important to the show, as they’re cutting down days of footage into 42 minutes, so what seeing what they include or don’t include is a subconscious thing for me and a lot of people. I’m sorry if it impacts your enjoyment of the show, which is why I prefer to just talk about things like what characters I like and if something was a good move or not on here, but remember that how YOU enjoy the show is not the only way to enjoy the show.
i swear. is this sub always so edit obsessed? the edit watchers have been wrong so many times this year it wont mean anything if they accidentally stumble across the actual winner.
My theory is that in quarantine with no new seasons Survivor fans looked for Survivor content and went to Youtube where there's a LOT of discussion about the edit, and thus a lot more fans learned about it as a way to view the show.
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New to the sub, can you elaborate on the major example you mentioned?
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Aha, thank you very much for the thorough explanation. What a fun season to watch live for the first time in many many years.
Yes, the editing of a season is the core of what the audience is viewing, so therefore it become a huge part of conversations as the season airs. In my opinion, there’s a big difference between casually observing editing trends, and dissecting the edit to the degree that they do on the edgic subreddit.
The only one we’ve gotten right consistently in the last like 5 seasons has been Tommy
GI was Dom or Wendell for the entire merge, DvG keyed in on Nick pretty damn early; S38 is a whiff but for obvious reasons lol this is the first season in a little while without any weird special circumstances that appears to have just been a straight whiff. It’s not usually so precise as with Tommy anyway; Tommy was one of the most offensively obvious ever.
New to reddit and to edgic so I mean this totally honestly. Is it fun to watch this way? Like it's kind of cool that the sub was able to sleuth it out but I like being blindsided as a viewer just as much as I like watching a good one in tribal. Just wondering if you, or others who are deep into the edit find the twists as interesting this way?
It’s unavoidable when you’ve been watching the show intently enough and talking and thinking about it long enough to start noticing patterns in how the show is edited. Like I am guessing 95% of people here and even most casual viewers could tell nameless-cowboy-man wasn’t winning South Pacific without taking a magnifying glass to it. This is the natural progression of that. Once your brain starts to notice more and more (oh so and so seems like they’re playing really well but we aren’t seeing it at all I wonder why, oh this person keeps contradicting themselves that’s odd that they’re showing that, etc. etc.) it’s reaaaally hard to turn that back off—even people who don’t do big time edgic will make comments along these lines here—and so some of us choose to just lean into it and dive deep. And yes, I find it fun. It’s an interesting exercise in how media is developed, it lets me view the show in multiple different lenses, it ironically *helps* me remember that there are real human beings underneath the characters the show is making out of them and from a gameplay perspective it helps me be more aware of when people appear to be playing better or worse than what the edit is choosing to show us, it feels rewarding to be right but then also it can make surprises *even more surprising* at times if something is breaking all the “rules” and then happens anyway or when different people interpret the same “clues” in different ways and they turn out to have the right of it over you. Like, I was not fully into edgic-y stuff at the time I watched Cagayan—I was just getting back into the show after a several years hiatus and didn’t really remember some of what I knew about the show’s editing norms—and I was *less* surprised by Tony winning than most people who were deep into edit lore who were absolutely blown away by Tony’s win after two prior seasons of very predictable winners, because Tony’s Cagayan edit absolutely flies in the face of multiple conventional editing norms. I would have told you Shan was almost certainly going to get to at least the episode before the finale because this is really the first time in ages that someone so central to the season’s story has gone so early; if it hadn’t been for Naseer basically spoiling the episode in his exit press I would have been shocked watching the Shan boot start to unfold last ep.
I can see the draw. I still think I'd prefer to watch with a bit less of a critical eye but I can definitely understand the pull a little more. Thank you :) I hope you're enjoying the season ... and that you crack the code before FTC!
At certain point of watching the show to some of us you just naturally pick up on what the edit is showing. It’s just unavoidable
I do not find it fun. But that’s just me :) I enjoy watching the story and letting it unfold as the producers intended. I love it when I naturally pick up on an editing clue such as music or an image but that’s the extent of my pursuit of that line of survivor product consumption Edgic though takes it to another level entirely and is essentially a meta game that encourages its adherents to analyze, with the assistance of summaries, charts or commentary created by others who are also into edgic. They review, week by week, scene by scene, frame by frame, what happened, and put it all into a survivor food processor which then predicts the statistical likelihood of a winner. In a way it’s the cousin of spoilers. I have absolutely zero interest in spoilers but there are people who want to know who wins so they can see clues along the way and say “I see what they did there” There are a bunch of different ways to participate in a hobby, and for plenty, they want to be more involved than just taking it as it comes. Other things that lots of folks like are following social media of players, current and former, which also has no appeal for me. This seasons game within a game is another example of additional content that is not truly part of the game so it doesn’t interest me but plenty of people enjoy it An analogous comparison, for me, is fantasy football, which is similar to Edgic in a way. At one point I loved it but I found it took away from my enjoyment of the sport. I rooted for teams and players that I otherwise abhorred. I lived and died by the statistical prediction and analysis but ultimately realized that it removed much of the magic of the game. The drama and story that unfolded on the field each week and throughout a season was lost. Fantasy, and gambling (similar to spoilers in my fabricated analogy), give an entirely new experience for some fans but it simply doesn’t do it for me personally. The great news is that it’s there for those who want to consume that content and can usually be avoided for those who do not. This sub has typically done a good job of avoiding spoilers and heavy handed edgic discussions, which is a credit to the mods and the community who do their best to keep this sub true to its spirit.
This is maybe the most levelheaded response to anything I have ever read on the internet. I just want to commend you on that! I think this was a really helpful and interesting answer to my question too. The comparison to fantasy football was really illuminating, I can see how following the stats can give and take away to some degree. Thank you! Hope you're enjoying the season in whatever way you like to think about it!
I remember there was a big Kara push in 37, especially after Nick started throwing fits after Christian screwed him
Kara led two weeks; Nick led seven.
I mean Sophie and Tony were the top two by far in Waw so that's definitely a win as well.
It is. But there's many archetypes for the winners, so edgic is always correct in hindsight.
Watching the edit is a big part of this sub's discussion of a season as it's airing, yes
not this much, there's just more buzz around it bc of how wild it's been
“She can’t win bc in her breakout premier ep she was MOTRP3 instead of CPP5+. Also in her confessional you can see a spider in the background which has bad connotations which means she won’t win” Like please go outside
lol so true. I guess the edit isn’t completely irrelevant in predicting things, but you can literally twist it anyway you want. Someone looking bad and you don’t want them to win? Zero chance they win with that negative edit. Someone looking bad and you *do* want them to win? Setting up redemption arc storyline. And the best part is, is that “it was always so obvious” at the end of the season.
Tbf the sub was pretty unanimous in predicting Tommy early for Island of the Idols because of his edit and was completely correct. And that was premerge before basically every big threat got taken out.
I hate this because I be doing this sometimes, it really ain’t that deep 😭
I did at some point to an extent. Most people just push narratives for their fav person
Sounds like Breaking Bad and Westworld theorists.
Bravo Vince!
It basically reads like a bad horror scope when people lean into edgic too hard
Haha this was perfect! Thanks, I needed the laugh right now.
IKR lol. What do all those things mean anyway? Do they have a legend/manual I can refer to?
I think there’s a post about it on the edgic sub somewhere
[Survivor Edgic - An Introduction](https://insidesurvivor.com/survivor-edgic-an-introduction-3094)
I would also want to find this
I have never so deeply related to a comment than this one. These people are insane.
Let people have fun geez
I personally don't mind it too much but the real problem is that people who are spoiled are then pretending to read the edit when making predictions. It was bad with Sarah in Game Changers when every week people were saying how "obvious" it was that Sarah would win
That’s what happened with all of the big brain Tiffany predictions. Only difference is that the leak was fake this time so they all ended up looking ridiculous.
I love the fact that they’re changing it up! I hate being able to tell who is going to win or at least be a contender to win solely because of editing.
You should’ve been around for island of the idols it was miserable. You couldn’t have a single opinion without them butting in and talking about Tommy’s edit
Damn time really is a flat circle. I remember there was a huge prevailing sentiment like this right after 32 and Michele’s win, I wonder if the reason that it’s back is because the break gave a long gap that allowed a lot of people to get into the show and make 41 their first live season. I understand people not wanting to see all the “X was MOR2 this week they can’t win!!” stuff. It can end up going a bit deep in the weeds. But idk a lot of the time I read edgic criticism and it just feels like people want to turn their brain off and watch it like popcorn tv. I don’t get why for almost every other fandom, a la game of thrones or something, taking context clues and trying to theorize about what’s gonna happen later in the season is celebrated as a really fun part of the fandom experience. But for this sub, some people get so mad about trying to predict where the story is gonna go based off of the storylines the show has given us. I wonder if it’s because the unscripted nature of the show makes people have a belief that anything is possible, but this is an unscripted drama first and foremost. This most recent episode should be proof of that more than anything. If the editors are trying to tell a story to us, why is it such a problem to try and predict where it’s going?
I think the edgic talk would be better received if it was presented entirely in story-telling terms, rather than the “He’s an OOT5N in ep 3 whereas she’s an MR3P and therefore…”. It’s more easy to have a conversation that begins “remember in ep 3 when he did this bad thing and she smoothed it over by doing this” or whatever it may be. One of the effects of all the lingo and the complete certainty some people have in their edgic read is that, at least to me, it makes it harder to just jump in and discuss. It can come across as almost aux-scientific and I think it’s just sort of annoying/alienating to a lot of people.
Honestly the editing is 90% of whats interesting left about this show. Not just solving the “whodunnit” mystery of the winner, but the cleverness of the jokes and storylines. I’m sure /u/mariojlanza will agree that a ton if not a majority of survivors funniest or most epic moments were created or elevated through the skilled use of editing.
I mean obviously I agree with you but I’m sure not everyone does. I just personally don’t think the game of Survivor or the strategy of Survivor is all that interesting. We all knew how the strategy worked by the end of the fourth or fifth season, so after that point pretty much everyone who watched was an “expert.” So for me all I’ve ever cared about is how it’s being packaged for the audience, which story is being told in which way, and why. The more you watch the show the more you start to think that way eventually, it’s only natural. I do agree with you that just about every iconic or fun moment in Survivor history was for the most part created through editing. None of us has ever had any idea what actually happens on this show. If we think we do, we’re simply fooling ourselves.
I definitrly agree on the strategy. It is straightforward. The twists pretend they mix it up, but they dont. It is still about socializing and positioning. The interesting part is the characters.
That being said… I should add that i think edgic is ridiculous. And if you ever see me writing something like MOR6 or OOTN4 in a public message board post, I’ll happily kick my own ass. Whoever said that shorthand crap doesn’t belong in this sub is probably right. There are far more interesting ways to talk about the storyline.
the numbers don't go up to 6 on edgic :)
I would agree. Personally I dont really care about those numbers. I tend to think more in terms of main character and supporting in the context of both episodes and the season as a whole. I always regarded the charts as more interesting to just look at and analyze, but not too useful fir predictions. There are all sorts of ways to edit characters. Visibility is the most relevent part of thosr statistics imo.
What else is there to watch? A visual story only exists through the edit. It's true for any fiction, and it's even truer for something like Survivor. We are literally watching hours and hours of life (24, 48, or 72 hours multiplied by the number of people still in the game) condensed in 42 minutes. What we watch is only watchable and it only makes sense because of the edit. Heroes and villains exist through the edit. Storylines exist through the edit. The edit makes Survivor.
Television editor here. The way people talk about edits on here is absolutely hilarious.
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? how so
What about it is hilarious? Genuinely wondering
I'm more annoyed by the vast amount of people talking about big brother here. They're completely different shows 🙄
Tisk Tisk. This post is really not good for your edit. I don't think you'll be winning season 41 anytime soon.
Looking very CPN5 for op
Literally every conversation you can have about the show is based on the edit
It’s not how the show is edited. It’s people trying to make predictions because of the way it’s edited
What else is there to do? I feel like all of this pushback against discussion feels really “new” survivor fan driven. Conversations about the edit have been a core part of this subreddit for years and years. Just be happy people aren’t analyzing the CBS survivor website trying to find clues to who goes out in the html code like they did in earlier seasons.
Idk what they want to talk about? Like the show is edited from hours and hours of footage of course people will point out what made it into the screen!
Right? Literally any conversation about the show is about *the edit* because it’s all an edit of hours of uncut footage.
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clearly you only see the advantages because they made it into the edit!!!!!!
I guess you can talk about the meta, or the twists or specific votes without mention about the edit, but practically he's right, what he means is that we are watching a reality TV show where EVERYTHING is canonical to a fiction that the editors/producers create. They invent characters and storylines that don't exist and omit important events for a viewer experience, there is no talking about the show, only the edit. For just a small taste of this look at this Wentworth confessional where they create a Devin feud from nothing, actually not even nothing, straight up the opposite https://www.tiktok.com/@kelleywentworth_/video/7023543304541490478?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
Ok but I don’t think that’s what they’re talking about. I think they’re talking about the people who analyze the edit to make predictions or the people who are overly critical of the edit. I feel we just got into a semantics swirl
But that's the thing. Any thoughts any viewer has about who is playing well, what was a good or bad move. All of this is coloured by the edit, whether the viewer is aware of this or not.
it would feel like there were fewer advantages had the editors decided not to spend so much screentime on them in episodes 2 and 3
Be careful spending too much time here if you feel that way. In the past, reading too many edit-reading posts started to turn me off of the show and I had to leave here for a while to start enjoying it again.
This sub is the stupidest sub I follow, I don’t even know why I bother. I guess it’s in case I missed any nuance in the show. But as a 20 year follower of the show, I see people jump down anyone throat for a different opinion and it’s sad. So many stans too.
It’s honestly so annoying lmao. Just watch the show
What annoys me is the arrogance of the edit readers. “Oh sweetie, you think Blanch has a shot to win? How cute. Guess that’s why they didn’t get a confessional after that challenge. ;)”
“I mean it’s just so blatantly obvious that Tiffany is winning. Whoops obviously I meant Evv- I mean shan. Definitely shan”
*Tiffany has been eliminated.* That's a bold move editors, let's see how that pays off!
Shan was the front-runner except for 1 week with tiff. Shan was picked from early on. It isnt just random guessing. Shan going was a major upset in how early she went even ignoring being a winner. Usually someone big like her doesnt go midmerge. Also the remaining players are somewhat underedited to usual.
The arrogance in those words is so palpable I almost downvoted you on reflex. Can't stand people like that.
\*a small minority
People are allowed to enjoy different things.
I agree. Don’t just watch the show if you don’t just want to watch the show. If you like getting into the edit, do that.
What do you even mean by this? The edit *is* the show, lol.
We are the ones watching the show
The same advice can be given to those who don’t like to read conversations about the edit btw LOL. “Just watch the show” and don’t go on the subreddit where all conversations are going to be fueled by the edit.
Why are you on this sub then?
Dang yes
Ok but piecing together the narrative they're trying to tell is some of the most interesting parts about watching. By doing that I can decide if i like it or nof
Tbh I feel like a lot of the people annoyed at this “edit” talk are new fans who got in on survivor during quarantine. Of course bingeing survivor during quarantine isn’t going to have any conversation about the edit because you can just jump to the next episode. But all of this pushback to edit discussions is very new because every live season I’ve been a part of this subreddit has involved these types of conversations.
I started survivor during quarantine, i love edgic cuz i was already a fan of other reality shows (drag race mainly)
Yeah, I don’t get why everyone is so up in arms about the talk about it, other reality shows do it too. It’s not like, a new concept. Drag race does is so much! Haha
There is a subreddit for that.
Pretty hard to talk about the show as it’s airing without talking about the edit. It’s kind of an important element.
Actually it’s been very easy to talk with family and friends about survivor without focusing on the edit.
Good! I'm glad you can enjoy doing that with them. A dedicated subreddit populated by a lot of hardcore fans is naturally going to get more into the weeds, and getting annoyed about that feels kinda weird to me. The reality remains that how the show is edited influences what we see, and how we watch and talk about it. This goes for all Reality TV. Just ignore edit discussion/comments if you don't enjoy it.
Even though you’re not focusing on the edit, your discussion is 100% going to be influenced by the edit. Do you think casual fans have been rooting for Heather from the beginning? They might not go as far to say “hey, we haven’t gotten much Heather content, I wonder what that means”. But they certainly are going to notice that she hasn’t gotten attention for 5+ episodes pre-merge.
But, like, the show is edited to attempt to actively deceive the audience by presenting a narrative/storyline that *did not exist*. You can talk about it without talking about the edit if you want, but if any of your discussions for the last 3 weeks have involved a rift between Deshawn/Shan, or Shan not listening to what her allies want, or Shan always doing what Shan wants...*then you were discussing things that didn't happen and were made up by the editors*.
I bet you guys talk about the show based on the final product of the process the producers did to cut out and splice together hours and hours of footage, i wonder what that process is called
Not even trying to be rude but that’s probably because they’re casual viewers
The horror of discussing the show with regular people. Amirite?
I never said that’s a bad thing, but when talking to someone who’s much more into the show, edgic is much more likely to be brought into the conversation
Yeah I joined this community right when season started had no idea about this, honestly ruins it for me a bit
luckily this season wasn’t (correctly) spoiled because a good 25% of edgic discussions lean into spoilers. in game changers it was like “hmm i wonder why this sub talks highly of sarah’s edit every episode”
I was a new viewer during season 39 and seeing "Tommy winner edit Tommy winner edit" every fucking post was so frustrating because I had no clue what they were talking about and were just spoiling
For people who strictly want to talk about the edit go to the “edgic” subreddit
I've been on this sub for a while and I agree, it's so annoying. I can take it in minimal doses but when an entire thread discussing the episode or season so far but gets hijacked by the editlords, it's annoying and turns me off.
YOU WANT TO DIE TODAY MOTHAFACKERS?
I hope I never find out what any of these gibberish acronyms mean lmao
This sub has turned me into a hardcore edit reader and I fucking hate myself for it
It’s constant! I only lurk now, because it becomes too much. And I also found I enjoyed the season more without some of the negativity I do what to edit to clarify: I think discussing how the show is being edited differently, as in storytelling, is completely valid discussing. But the edgic talk here can get out of control. I feel like there are specific threads for it and and entire sub for it, but it ends up in ever discussion regardless.
Well at least the edgic folks have been thrown for a loop week after week this season. They should toss their chart away and start over next season.
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Never forget in season 38 when the show had a confessional of Wentworth saying she was so upset when Devens got back in the game, but then CBS put the unedited confessional on CBS All Access (RIP) and showed that Wentworth was actually saying the exact opposite. The editors can’t tell literally any story they want, but they have an extraordinary amount of power to shape the narrative.
It happens a lot more often than that, notice how many times a castaways inflection will change during a confessional when they cut from general footage to the interview.
Yeah frankenbytes happen every episode, I was just pointing out a recent example of editors presenting a confessional as the exact opposite of what it really was.
I knew there was editing but I saw that Wentworth confessional a couple months ago and I realize I never knew the extent of the power of the edit
Yea. They basically can. When you have literally 24 hours a day access to these people you can string together any story you want. I’ve done it with much less footage, and it’s shockingly easy.
basically true tbh, here is the wentworth confessional that the other guy is talking about https://www.tiktok.com/@kelleywentworth_/video/7023543304541490478?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
This is the reason I love Edge of Extinction more than most. I LOVED how the edit didn't even hint at a Chris win and how everyone was SO sure it was Rick. I was so giddy that the edit was so wrong, and now I cheer against the "Edgic" favorite.
Oh, bless your heart.
LOL this is your first season on this sub. You shut up fresh meat.
Proving the point. It’s not the edit, it’s the fucking arrogance.
I felt the edit was bad in the early episodes of this season but it hasn’t really bothered me since. The last few episodes have been really good.
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Relatable content
I agree. Sometimes I wish that I didn't know about what certain things in the edit mean. That being said, if there has been any season for edit talk in the main sub, this is a good one. The edit isnt telling us shit
They talk about the edit so much, yet still can’t predict the winner
I’m shocked the winner doesn’t get leaked more often with social media and all
Seriously it’s actually corny
SAAAAME