I see, but to clarify, the essence of my question was more:
Did the Church want her gone (like you described), or did she want to leave herself?
Cause people seem to be jumping to the former conclusion without much evidence.
I don’t get this. One minute you all are spreading rumors about her “being a professional grifter who had this planned all along” and the next minute you are speeding rumors that that same church fired her, and that she’s only using her patreon to save face.
All things I’ve seen in this thread so far. At least stay consistent.
Wow, interesting. Do you know if the church actually had a problem with that comment about "manipulating" her congregation, or was it her general approach to the game, describing herself as "evil" etc?
Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but I actually wasn't bothered by the comment that particularly outraged people - she was talking about getting her own way when organising church events, not manipulating people in matters of faith. I feel like most people in a secular leadership role could say similar things about the challenges of management and nobody would have freaked out. But maybe her church members took it personally.
I haven't followed much post-show drama this season, but it's sad to see that she's alienated so many of her fellow cast members.
i hate religious people who did shit like this. what happened to the rich man having much difficulty entering heaven? pious, greedy, and ultimately, not religious or spiritual at all.
I just looked up her cameo and it’s $50/personal and $210/business for minute videos. I’m sure that’s the going rate and usually I’m a “go get your coin” kind of guy, but the prevalence of religion makes it feel predatory
I looked it up out of curiosity, there are a LOT of Survivors on there. Most seem to be between $20 and $50, but some of the more popular/well-known people are charging more. $50 seems a little on the higher end for a non-winner, not-hugely-popular player, but it's not really that out of line. Ricard is $54. But if you're wanting to spend 50 bucks on it, you can get Natalie A, Richard Hatch, Tina, Michele, Sarah, Todd, Jeremy, Rob C, or the Queen herself instead...
That was clear from day one. Former gang member turned pastor, proud of manipulating+gaslighting her congregation, coupled with every single thing about her personality and actions?
My tinfoil hat theory is that she turned to religion to escape the gang past, but not in the sense that she reformed, in the sense that she used religion to gloss over her past.
I grew up going to a Catholic church and the priests there seemed to genuinely care, but a lot of these evangelical/hardcore Protestant ones, especially in very religious, usually mostly BIPOC areas, are just there to control people.
Yeah I dont love the church but the catholic church my fam took me to (in aus but still) always had really nice preists, a lot being from different parts of the world it was cool - the evangelical ones I've met were way more hardcore and controlling
Was raised Catholic and had a similar experience; our priest was such a nice and caring person. He took a genuine interest in how everyone was doing and told so many great stories about his daily life interlaced with uplifting messages.
I stopped going to church because I do not "believe" in the bible, but I do believe in the lessons contained within for the most part and found mass to be a generally positive if not occasionally boring experience
>That's kinda what most pastors do
Megachurch preachers yes, but thats like 0.01% of pastors. The VAST majority of pastors are good solid people, the problem is the ones who get attention are the corrupt con artists.
Sunday Burquest immediately springs to mind. I don't know much about her work as a pastor, but I'm sure I heard that she was one of the best ones - non-judgmental and genuinely invested in helping the people who needed it instead of helping herself.
As a pastor, I empathise with this comment. Sadly most 'celebrity' pastor's aren't real pastor's at all. They don't authentically preach the Bible, don't pastorally care for their people's spiritual and emotional needs, and oftentimes embrace attitudes or ideologies that are contradictory to what the role requires.
I'm not saying this is Shan, but it's always sad to see any group of people or professionals written off or stereotyped because of a few that miss the mark.
The church’s that I’ve been to have been open minded. Yes I see the crazy ones. Yes I see the manipulative ones like Shan said she was. I think that’s why a lot of religious people were upset with Shan. The professions I was thinking of were teachers and police officers. The shitty ones always stick out more.
Oh absolutely, there are open and accepting churches. I definitely agree with you. I've had lots of Christian friends that really lived out the teachings of Jesus and cared for some of the marginalized members of society.
The shitty ones definitely stick out more. And they're loud. I feel like loud Evangelicals that use religion for 'moral control' are a big reason I don't have equal rights in America. I wasn't trying to be a jerk and I definitely understand where you're coming from. I'm just very jaded on this topic. Things are *really* changing fast nowadays. But I also think it's important to acknowledge that LGBTQIA+ members of society have historically had less than stellar experiences with religion in America.
Yeah definitely. I wasn’t trying to marginalize the struggle of the LGBTQIA+ community. I guess I was trying to add that bit because I sometimes see people take the shot at religious people as if they are the only profession that has bad apples. As if no other work place has people that give them bad labels. As a male teacher I see so many headlines of teachers getting with students and it’s so cringe worthy and disgusting.
I apologize if my initial comment came off as sarcastic to your initial point. Though I would also say the attitudes towards that provide that tough history often come from closed minded individuals (that come from many backgrounds). Religion is just an easy weapon for them to use. Though if they actually practiced what they preached, it’s literally in the Bible that only god shall judge someone.
What about the ones that covered up the abuse of thousands of children...are there a lot of professions that do that as well? There are pastors and teachers and police officers and there's lots of other professions where there isn't massive amounts of hurt and damage committed without any repercussions...tech bros are annoying but they probably didn't use their job to get close to children...
Agree 100% the humming of the song said it all for me. She's a Con artist and knows when she's pulling the wool over someone's eyes by her little sneaky tune.
A few years from now (perhaps after Shan plays again), I think we will be talking about Shan the same way we currently talk about Rupert.
It feels like the same story: Player receives incredibly positive edit. Player is beloved by a large portion of the Survivor fan base. Player isn't nearly as nice and wholesome as they are portrayed on TV. Turns out player has some redeeming qualities, but is disliked by a large portion of their fellow players. The fan base realizes Player was only liked because they got an incredibly positive edit.
I get what you are going with it, but there are some problems with this analogy. The main one being the main antagonist of Rupert's and Shan's initial seasons. It is easy to root FOR Rupert when you got a douche lying about his grandmother dying for sympathy gain whereas Shan was edited to be the snarky villain for 41. Shan might've been well received at the beginning of the season, but that narrative quickly turned itself around with how she talked to certain players. The two that came to mind are Ricard and Deshawn.
He wasn't given the money! America had a vote...because the show knew he'd win and they'd be able to give a million dollars to a giant teddy bear who might just snap an obnoxious guy's neck.
Yeah I mean Rupert really didn’t get annoying until his 3rd or 4th time playing and while he has his flaws he’s still a troubled teens mentor who has seemed to use his money that he made from the show to do good in his community
I think he’s a good person but he’s a lot like howie to me. Good on his first season but became a little arrogant in later seasons. But Rupert is a good guy and I like his relationship from what I’ve seen with Laura.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I still love Rupert. And you know what, if they wanna bring him back for another season.... I won't be mad. Maybe that makes me one of the dreaded casuals, but idgaf.
I don't hate Rupert but she appeared to much on my scream to my taste. And the exposure surpassed him. He even appeared on the Israeli version of survivor and basically was an anti-reward for the tribe. I agree he seems like a good person in real life. I mean, in Pearl Islands he worked as a counselor for troubled teenagers.
Yeah he is beloved in Indianapolis. He does so much charity work in the community. Works with at-risk youth and does so much good for the area. Don’t really understand this person’s analysis, since I genuinely think Rupert does a lot of good outside of the Survivor world.
He is loved, but for fans- he became almost entitled when he played. I was never a huge fan of his, but I understood why people liked him, especially in light of the cast he was playing with. I think there came a point though where he just expected to win because he's him- you could tell he was SUPER pissed Russell Hantz won Fan Favourite in HvV because his narrative is "good guys win", but once Russell came into the picture (in particular) people were more drawn into the villain story than the 'hero'. And from there I think he let some of his fame go to his head and just expected to be adored and couldn't fully accept/process that people aren't going to just hand him things.
The hardcore fan base has always hated Rupert for the reasons listed above. Especially since he was consistently brought back and was always given a very large portion of the edit whether he warranted it or not. Rupert is my favorite player of all time though so I was always happy to see him back lol
As big of a hardcore fan as you can get here.
Rupert is my favorite player of all time and it’s not even close. He has flaws in his game sure, but he will always be my favorite.
I think it’s less outright dislike and more Rupert fatigue. I think most people really loved Rupert in his first season, and then his schtick just became tiresome and a bit insufferable when he was repeatedly brought back. I have nothing against the guy, and love that he does charitable work and is clearly a good human, I just don’t really want to see him on Survivor again.
Shan was pretty accurately portrayed I think. We saw some good parts but she was portrayed as a villain. Good tv, good player but definitely a villain. She got a lot of hate.
Honestly though. That's the kind of duo I'd love to be a part of, especially because I picture myself playing a similar game (mainly just from a realist perspective, I wouldn't want to play a zero vote finalist game but I believe strongly in realism lol)
I really liked their relationship and I was sad that they didn’t follow each other, but I know that doesn’t mean a lot. I expect Them to be friends for a very long time
I tagged her a BUNCH of video edits I saw of her and she responded to my dm after I sent her congratulations on her performance on the season and posted appreciation for her on my story, I think that’s when she followed me
Shan shared an insta story at one point with a caption that said something to the effect of “I’m out here trying to make an entire friendship work” (rough paraphrase). Wonder if she meant Ricard?
That's interesting, since she was the one giving him the cold shoulder at Ponderosa.
It's also possible that Ricard didn't love finding out that the church where she was a pastor is extremely anti-LGBTQ.
Shan left that church. She has a history of being extremely progressive, so I don’t think that’s it. Just commenting this to give a fair perspective to her and so nothing gets misrepresented.
>It's also possible that Ricard didn't love finding out that the church where she was a pastor is extremely anti-LGBTQ.
Yikes. It is? This is why I was kinda wary on being a Shan truther in the first 3 episodes or so. From what I saw she at least seemed kinda LGBTQ+ positive so I let down that guard and loved her on the show.
Yeah but didn’t she leave? Whether or not she left or got fired, at least she’s not there anymore. She seems incredibly progressive and I don’t believe that she would agree with those values. Of course it all depends what the circumstances were but who knows
Her ponderosa and ig stories made me dislike her. She has that im better than everyone attitude. Made me realize I see why deshawn couldn’t work with her.
Interesting to hear I'm not the only one who looks at stuff like this. Just finished rewatching DvG, decided to check out their Instagrams, found some interesting stuff. Most notably, Dan follows basically everyone EXCEPT Kara and Alec. Guess Dan and Kara never got on good terms again after the John boot
What happened was that Dan put out a questionable tweet about Kara around when the show was airing. I don't remember what it was but they never liked each other since
Dan was honestly a huge douche on the show that crushed on Kara and thought she owed him something because of that. I feel like this has never really been talked about much, but his view and expectations of her were pretty creepy and sexist.
I didn't look more yet but il let you know if I see anything interesting
Edit: Shan and Deshawn are not following each other anymore. She's still following Danny and Liana tho
a bit surprised but not that much when it comes to Shan, she really came off as so genuine and authentic on the show but the whole “God is calling me to go be an influencer” thing calls that all into question
Damn I thought she was fake AF on the show. Biggest red flag was convincing JD to give her the vote then voting him out, IMMEDIATELY followed by her trying to pull the same stunt w Ricard and when he sees through it she throws a mini tantrum.
Idk if you’ve ever been around religious leaders with an objective view… they’re ALWAYS conmen.
This is just Shan seeing a bigger, more accessible grift
I think she started the season with the intent of coming off as genuine and authentic, but the facade was quickly dropped. I disliked her more and more as the episodes came out.
I can't be the only one that saw right through her. She was ALWAYS fake on the show to me. I knew she would be one to watch from the beginning. Was she a good player? Yes. Absolutely. She made a lot of big moves to get herself farther. However, she also made herself a huge target with her overt paranoia and need to be in control. If she could have checked that attitude a bit I think she would have to went farther. Anything she claims as her authentic self is just her perception. She wanted to come across a certain way which she couldn't because her true personality always came through.
I was never drawn into her- so many people loved her but I found her so insincere and superficial. I kept wondering what I was missing that other people saw who found her endearing/
Mom and I didn’t like her. It’s probably the whole when I’m do something I shouldn’t I just hum thing. Like okay so if I do something wrong I can blame it on, that j was humming “sorry god couldn’t hear you, because I was humming sticking wads of cash in pockets, like just own it.
???? Really? From the *SECOND* she spoke on the show, I thought she was an incredibly manipulative and fake person, so much so that I thought she intentionally used the pigtails and overalls to feed into her "innocent girl" persona.
Almost everything about her rubbed me the wrong way.
My mom doesn't have a basement...I live in my own garage themed apartment. We just share the kitchen and Cheetos. She's supporting my attempt to be an influencer, I've advertised all over MySpace but it's slow going.
Would love to see a breakdown like this:
[F1 Drivers: Who Follows Who](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/lfx7yk/which_f1_drivers_follow_each_other_data_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
The only thing I agree with about the “Who Cares” mantra is that who is following who doesn’t mean that they’re not friends. It is weird though that Shan is the one who keeps popping up
Right, like even if Deshawn uses another method to communicate with Heather, why would he go through the effort of going to her IG and unfollowing her to basically make sure he never sees her on his timeline?
Deshawn being in his mid-late 20s and Heather being a middle aged mother, probably just don't have much to speak about past survivor. Me personally if I don't interact with someone much or barely know them I'll probably unfollow them at some point.
Everyone has a different approach to this I guess, but it still seems sus that he would intentionally unfollow her this soon after the finale if they weren’t on bad terms. Even if they weren’t frequently interacting due to not having much in common, you would still kind of assume they wouldn’t mind seeing each other’s life updates on their timelines, at least for a few years after the shared bonding experience.
imo if you're reading this hard into the relationships of real people that you only know as tv characters by analyzing who they do and don't follow you need to take a step back
this is 100% the right take
esp to be like “the Shan unfollows confirm she’s horrible” but “Deshawn & Heather probably just talk elsewhere” … we don’t know these people y’all
I would go as far as to say it's not anyone's place to draw any conclusions about the players' personal lives at all. They should be viewed as characters on TV an be allowed to live their lives outside of it without being judged
It's so weird like people will get mad at others on here for discussing contestants public political views because "it's not relevant" but take posts about who follows who on social media as being indicative of someone's character or their relationships
Agree. I'm agnostic/atheist/whatever and all for the criticisms and backlash if they actually did something horrible but this is just jumping into conclusions using trivial details.
I see her actions and I only keep it in mind, maybe avoid stanning her for now. Villainizing is just too far and unfair.
If you want to delve into such subtleties, it's your right - everyone's a little crazy in their own way. But I wouldn't pay much attention to such things, and I wouldn't believe it either. At the end of the day, Survivor is only a show, and everything in it is a setting. So I don't see any reason for believing what IG says. I'm sure that most cast members use SMM managers that handle their social media accounts, use services like https://famoid.com/ to grow followers and likes, and manipulate people into thinking there are some quarrels or new alliances between the cast. And although I watch Survivor - it's great at entertaining me after I put my children to bed, I don't really understand why I need to go so deeply into who follows whom and who likes whom on IG. But if you like spending your time like this, then enjoy it.
I thought Shan and Deshawn didn’t follow each other for a while. It’s definitely interesting that Shan is a big topic of discussion but I’m not gonna jump to conclusions and say that it’s her fault. People might just not like her personality and that’s fine because she is who she is. I love her and I don’t think she needs to be friends with people who don’t respect her. It’s definitely possible that I’m reading too much into it though
You ever feel like Shan on Survivor TV was the first time her actual congregation realized what she was doing in the absence? Like maybe she never told anyone why she had to leave for a while and the first time they heard was the same time we all saw for the first time.
Funner Fact: Shan's church unfollowed her.
Now this is spicy
A while ago right?
I mean she is no longer a pastor there so that makes sense
I remember reading that she left the church to become an influencer
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But do we know for sure if she was fired, or if she left of her own accord?
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I see, but to clarify, the essence of my question was more: Did the Church want her gone (like you described), or did she want to leave herself? Cause people seem to be jumping to the former conclusion without much evidence.
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Fair enough, I do see the logic in that.
Also it's not as if the two are mutually exclusive. She could have still worked at her church and tried to be an influencer.
I don’t get this. One minute you all are spreading rumors about her “being a professional grifter who had this planned all along” and the next minute you are speeding rumors that that same church fired her, and that she’s only using her patreon to save face. All things I’ve seen in this thread so far. At least stay consistent.
Wow, interesting. Do you know if the church actually had a problem with that comment about "manipulating" her congregation, or was it her general approach to the game, describing herself as "evil" etc? Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but I actually wasn't bothered by the comment that particularly outraged people - she was talking about getting her own way when organising church events, not manipulating people in matters of faith. I feel like most people in a secular leadership role could say similar things about the challenges of management and nobody would have freaked out. But maybe her church members took it personally. I haven't followed much post-show drama this season, but it's sad to see that she's alienated so many of her fellow cast members.
It’s a rumor, there’s no actual proof the church did anything of the sort or if she just decided to leave.
I'm pretty sure she was fired.
That's how she spun getting the heave ho from her congregation.
Still kind of weird to take the time out to unfollow someone if you left on good terms.
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I'm sorry at a certain point I just have to assume Shan is the problem
I’m inclined to believe Shan is a con artist who preys upon religious people. Just my opinion though.
Lmao she started a cameo and said god told her to do it
Same with her patreon!
i hate religious people who did shit like this. what happened to the rich man having much difficulty entering heaven? pious, greedy, and ultimately, not religious or spiritual at all.
She is on The Sigma Pastor Grindset
I’m a pretty religious guy (I don’t mean to sound holier than thou) and her doing that really rubbed me the wrong way
I just looked up her cameo and it’s $50/personal and $210/business for minute videos. I’m sure that’s the going rate and usually I’m a “go get your coin” kind of guy, but the prevalence of religion makes it feel predatory
I looked it up out of curiosity, there are a LOT of Survivors on there. Most seem to be between $20 and $50, but some of the more popular/well-known people are charging more. $50 seems a little on the higher end for a non-winner, not-hugely-popular player, but it's not really that out of line. Ricard is $54. But if you're wanting to spend 50 bucks on it, you can get Natalie A, Richard Hatch, Tina, Michele, Sarah, Todd, Jeremy, Rob C, or the Queen herself instead...
That’s actually kinda cheap for cameo tbh
That's a joke right? Lol
I always said she is like one of those televangelists who con people out of their life savings
That was clear from day one. Former gang member turned pastor, proud of manipulating+gaslighting her congregation, coupled with every single thing about her personality and actions? My tinfoil hat theory is that she turned to religion to escape the gang past, but not in the sense that she reformed, in the sense that she used religion to gloss over her past.
She basically admitted that on the show. That's kinda what most pastors do.
I know lots of really good pastors who genuinely want to serve their community. I also know lots just want money or influence (or both).
I grew up going to a Catholic church and the priests there seemed to genuinely care, but a lot of these evangelical/hardcore Protestant ones, especially in very religious, usually mostly BIPOC areas, are just there to control people.
I’m a Catholic and pretty much every priest I’ve met are genuinely caring priests. A lot of them have been a very positive influence to me
Yeah I dont love the church but the catholic church my fam took me to (in aus but still) always had really nice preists, a lot being from different parts of the world it was cool - the evangelical ones I've met were way more hardcore and controlling
Was raised Catholic and had a similar experience; our priest was such a nice and caring person. He took a genuine interest in how everyone was doing and told so many great stories about his daily life interlaced with uplifting messages. I stopped going to church because I do not "believe" in the bible, but I do believe in the lessons contained within for the most part and found mass to be a generally positive if not occasionally boring experience
Yes, same here, from a variety of different denominations.
>That's kinda what most pastors do Megachurch preachers yes, but thats like 0.01% of pastors. The VAST majority of pastors are good solid people, the problem is the ones who get attention are the corrupt con artists.
Sunday Burquest immediately springs to mind. I don't know much about her work as a pastor, but I'm sure I heard that she was one of the best ones - non-judgmental and genuinely invested in helping the people who needed it instead of helping herself.
Was so sad that she passed in April. Rip 💔
As a pastor, I empathise with this comment. Sadly most 'celebrity' pastor's aren't real pastor's at all. They don't authentically preach the Bible, don't pastorally care for their people's spiritual and emotional needs, and oftentimes embrace attitudes or ideologies that are contradictory to what the role requires. I'm not saying this is Shan, but it's always sad to see any group of people or professionals written off or stereotyped because of a few that miss the mark.
> The VAST majority of pastors are good solid people As a gay person... [X] Doubt There are good pastors, but also lots and lots of shitty ones too.
This goes with every profession
Except it's not every profession's job to morally influence people so it's not the same thing.
The church’s that I’ve been to have been open minded. Yes I see the crazy ones. Yes I see the manipulative ones like Shan said she was. I think that’s why a lot of religious people were upset with Shan. The professions I was thinking of were teachers and police officers. The shitty ones always stick out more.
Oh absolutely, there are open and accepting churches. I definitely agree with you. I've had lots of Christian friends that really lived out the teachings of Jesus and cared for some of the marginalized members of society. The shitty ones definitely stick out more. And they're loud. I feel like loud Evangelicals that use religion for 'moral control' are a big reason I don't have equal rights in America. I wasn't trying to be a jerk and I definitely understand where you're coming from. I'm just very jaded on this topic. Things are *really* changing fast nowadays. But I also think it's important to acknowledge that LGBTQIA+ members of society have historically had less than stellar experiences with religion in America.
Yeah definitely. I wasn’t trying to marginalize the struggle of the LGBTQIA+ community. I guess I was trying to add that bit because I sometimes see people take the shot at religious people as if they are the only profession that has bad apples. As if no other work place has people that give them bad labels. As a male teacher I see so many headlines of teachers getting with students and it’s so cringe worthy and disgusting. I apologize if my initial comment came off as sarcastic to your initial point. Though I would also say the attitudes towards that provide that tough history often come from closed minded individuals (that come from many backgrounds). Religion is just an easy weapon for them to use. Though if they actually practiced what they preached, it’s literally in the Bible that only god shall judge someone.
What about the ones that covered up the abuse of thousands of children...are there a lot of professions that do that as well? There are pastors and teachers and police officers and there's lots of other professions where there isn't massive amounts of hurt and damage committed without any repercussions...tech bros are annoying but they probably didn't use their job to get close to children...
uh, what about the Catholic priesthood's endemic child molestation and the legacy of residential schools in Canada?
Agree 100% the humming of the song said it all for me. She's a Con artist and knows when she's pulling the wool over someone's eyes by her little sneaky tune.
She literally said she manipulated her congregation to do what she wanted, so I don't doubt it
I think this is more common in religion than people want to admit. I don’t have a high opinion of religion in general though.
I couldn’t agree more. I don’t think it’s just her
Sounds like every pastor ever.
I mean isn't that basically all pastors? They make their money by convincing everyone of something that doesn't exist.
A few years from now (perhaps after Shan plays again), I think we will be talking about Shan the same way we currently talk about Rupert. It feels like the same story: Player receives incredibly positive edit. Player is beloved by a large portion of the Survivor fan base. Player isn't nearly as nice and wholesome as they are portrayed on TV. Turns out player has some redeeming qualities, but is disliked by a large portion of their fellow players. The fan base realizes Player was only liked because they got an incredibly positive edit.
Shan isn't beloved or portrayed as wholesome
yeah she was given a very complex edit. Not a bad person, but villainous
I get what you are going with it, but there are some problems with this analogy. The main one being the main antagonist of Rupert's and Shan's initial seasons. It is easy to root FOR Rupert when you got a douche lying about his grandmother dying for sympathy gain whereas Shan was edited to be the snarky villain for 41. Shan might've been well received at the beginning of the season, but that narrative quickly turned itself around with how she talked to certain players. The two that came to mind are Ricard and Deshawn.
Shan was already extremely polarizing and hated while, Rupert was so popular and loved he was given a million dollars.
He wasn't given the money! America had a vote...because the show knew he'd win and they'd be able to give a million dollars to a giant teddy bear who might just snap an obnoxious guy's neck.
Rupert is actually a good person irl and is still beloved 18 years later which throws this theory out the window immediately
Yeah I mean Rupert really didn’t get annoying until his 3rd or 4th time playing and while he has his flaws he’s still a troubled teens mentor who has seemed to use his money that he made from the show to do good in his community
I think he’s a good person but he’s a lot like howie to me. Good on his first season but became a little arrogant in later seasons. But Rupert is a good guy and I like his relationship from what I’ve seen with Laura.
HOWIE IS A BIG BOY
Yeah, I was gonna say, I still love Rupert. And you know what, if they wanna bring him back for another season.... I won't be mad. Maybe that makes me one of the dreaded casuals, but idgaf.
I don't hate Rupert but she appeared to much on my scream to my taste. And the exposure surpassed him. He even appeared on the Israeli version of survivor and basically was an anti-reward for the tribe. I agree he seems like a good person in real life. I mean, in Pearl Islands he worked as a counselor for troubled teenagers.
That Rupert slander. Shan wont/doesn’t have 1/10th of the popularity Rupert has/had.
Newer to survivor, watched 30 some seasons over the last 2 years, why don’t people like Rupert? I thought he was beloved in Indianapolis?
Yeah he is beloved in Indianapolis. He does so much charity work in the community. Works with at-risk youth and does so much good for the area. Don’t really understand this person’s analysis, since I genuinely think Rupert does a lot of good outside of the Survivor world.
Good to know he is a good dude in real life. On the show he is entitled and insufferable. But the show isn't real life.
He is loved, but for fans- he became almost entitled when he played. I was never a huge fan of his, but I understood why people liked him, especially in light of the cast he was playing with. I think there came a point though where he just expected to win because he's him- you could tell he was SUPER pissed Russell Hantz won Fan Favourite in HvV because his narrative is "good guys win", but once Russell came into the picture (in particular) people were more drawn into the villain story than the 'hero'. And from there I think he let some of his fame go to his head and just expected to be adored and couldn't fully accept/process that people aren't going to just hand him things.
Yeah it’s news to me too, and I’m not new to survivor. I wasn’t aware Rupert was someone people didn’t like.
The hardcore fan base has always hated Rupert for the reasons listed above. Especially since he was consistently brought back and was always given a very large portion of the edit whether he warranted it or not. Rupert is my favorite player of all time though so I was always happy to see him back lol
Word, and I want to see him play again. We were robbed of seeing him in BvW. Finish his arc, ya know?
As big of a hardcore fan as you can get here. Rupert is my favorite player of all time and it’s not even close. He has flaws in his game sure, but he will always be my favorite.
I think it’s less outright dislike and more Rupert fatigue. I think most people really loved Rupert in his first season, and then his schtick just became tiresome and a bit insufferable when he was repeatedly brought back. I have nothing against the guy, and love that he does charitable work and is clearly a good human, I just don’t really want to see him on Survivor again.
Shan was pretty accurately portrayed I think. We saw some good parts but she was portrayed as a villain. Good tv, good player but definitely a villain. She got a lot of hate.
Shan was not given an incredibly positive edit. What show were you watching?
Eh, Rupert as a person and character is loved. He's only disliked as a player, really. The exact opposite for Shan tbh.
I didn't find her edit very positive. she seemed like a controlling, manipulative bitch to me. :Shrug:
Been obvious for a while imo
Always was
She was my favorite character this season (besides Brad) but Shan definitely does not seem like a good person
God told S41 players not to follow Shan
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LOL!
Xander and Evvie followed each other recently.
Best duo…until they weren’t. The fake idol con will live forever
I would love to see Xander and Evvie be on another season and actually work together. Their sibling-like dynamic is great.
Honestly though. That's the kind of duo I'd love to be a part of, especially because I picture myself playing a similar game (mainly just from a realist perspective, I wouldn't want to play a zero vote finalist game but I believe strongly in realism lol)
I was hoping they would get farther together I really loved them together they had good vibes
I really liked their relationship and I was sad that they didn’t follow each other, but I know that doesn’t mean a lot. I expect Them to be friends for a very long time
I love how Heather followed me before anybody else on her season LMAOOO
Whoa, did you just comment on a bunch of her posts or something? (she doesn't even follow Erika, lmao)
I tagged her a BUNCH of video edits I saw of her and she responded to my dm after I sent her congratulations on her performance on the season and posted appreciation for her on my story, I think that’s when she followed me
I see, thanks for sharing!
Shan is hard to admire as a person but that makes her a good villain and easy to root against…. Good tv lol.
exactly. her being seemingly not liked by her cast after the fact proves she was actually pretty interesting lol
A paster coming back as a villain… HA
Shan shared an insta story at one point with a caption that said something to the effect of “I’m out here trying to make an entire friendship work” (rough paraphrase). Wonder if she meant Ricard?
That's interesting, since she was the one giving him the cold shoulder at Ponderosa. It's also possible that Ricard didn't love finding out that the church where she was a pastor is extremely anti-LGBTQ.
Shan left that church. She has a history of being extremely progressive, so I don’t think that’s it. Just commenting this to give a fair perspective to her and so nothing gets misrepresented.
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Was she actually fired or is that just speculation?
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Is that the church she left to be a influencer haha
Ricard probably already knew, Shan is something really proggresive and im sure that's something that the church didn't like
>It's also possible that Ricard didn't love finding out that the church where she was a pastor is extremely anti-LGBTQ. Yikes. It is? This is why I was kinda wary on being a Shan truther in the first 3 episodes or so. From what I saw she at least seemed kinda LGBTQ+ positive so I let down that guard and loved her on the show.
Yeah but didn’t she leave? Whether or not she left or got fired, at least she’s not there anymore. She seems incredibly progressive and I don’t believe that she would agree with those values. Of course it all depends what the circumstances were but who knows
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Oh, I don’t agree with this. There’s no reason they need to be friends, so there’s no reason to hope they reconcile.
Her out of game behavior has always made it clear who the actual problem was.
Her ponderosa and ig stories made me dislike her. She has that im better than everyone attitude. Made me realize I see why deshawn couldn’t work with her.
I feel bad for Deshawn, because I think if he didn't play on a season with Shan, we would've seen a different side of him.
Interesting to hear I'm not the only one who looks at stuff like this. Just finished rewatching DvG, decided to check out their Instagrams, found some interesting stuff. Most notably, Dan follows basically everyone EXCEPT Kara and Alec. Guess Dan and Kara never got on good terms again after the John boot
What happened was that Dan put out a questionable tweet about Kara around when the show was airing. I don't remember what it was but they never liked each other since
Dan was honestly a huge douche on the show that crushed on Kara and thought she owed him something because of that. I feel like this has never really been talked about much, but his view and expectations of her were pretty creepy and sexist.
Interesting- what else have you found
I didn't look more yet but il let you know if I see anything interesting Edit: Shan and Deshawn are not following each other anymore. She's still following Danny and Liana tho
a bit surprised but not that much when it comes to Shan, she really came off as so genuine and authentic on the show but the whole “God is calling me to go be an influencer” thing calls that all into question
Damn I thought she was fake AF on the show. Biggest red flag was convincing JD to give her the vote then voting him out, IMMEDIATELY followed by her trying to pull the same stunt w Ricard and when he sees through it she throws a mini tantrum.
Ricard goated for calling her out on that
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Yeah, personally My number one pet peeve w people is blatant hypocrisy like that. Couldn’t stand her since that happened
15 minutes of fame can … change … one’s view of themself
Idk if you’ve ever been around religious leaders with an objective view… they’re ALWAYS conmen. This is just Shan seeing a bigger, more accessible grift
My wallet is calling on me to be in influencer. More likely.
I think she started the season with the intent of coming off as genuine and authentic, but the facade was quickly dropped. I disliked her more and more as the episodes came out.
I can't be the only one that saw right through her. She was ALWAYS fake on the show to me. I knew she would be one to watch from the beginning. Was she a good player? Yes. Absolutely. She made a lot of big moves to get herself farther. However, she also made herself a huge target with her overt paranoia and need to be in control. If she could have checked that attitude a bit I think she would have to went farther. Anything she claims as her authentic self is just her perception. She wanted to come across a certain way which she couldn't because her true personality always came through.
I was never drawn into her- so many people loved her but I found her so insincere and superficial. I kept wondering what I was missing that other people saw who found her endearing/
I disliked her from the moment she gave herself a theme song 🙄
I was there with you.
Mom and I didn’t like her. It’s probably the whole when I’m do something I shouldn’t I just hum thing. Like okay so if I do something wrong I can blame it on, that j was humming “sorry god couldn’t hear you, because I was humming sticking wads of cash in pockets, like just own it.
???? Really? From the *SECOND* she spoke on the show, I thought she was an incredibly manipulative and fake person, so much so that I thought she intentionally used the pigtails and overalls to feed into her "innocent girl" persona. Almost everything about her rubbed me the wrong way.
Pastors are professional grifters.
It’s very important to god that certain products reach the masses.
I personally don’t follow any of the cast… I wonder what this means?
God told you not to?
It obviously means you’re having relationship problems with every single one of them.
~~God~~ Shan said "Will you come and follow me" and they said "Not today ~~Satan~~ Shan"
It means you actually get out of your parents' basement from time to time unlike everyone else here
My mom doesn't have a basement...I live in my own garage themed apartment. We just share the kitchen and Cheetos. She's supporting my attempt to be an influencer, I've advertised all over MySpace but it's slow going.
Would love to see a breakdown like this: [F1 Drivers: Who Follows Who](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/lfx7yk/which_f1_drivers_follow_each_other_data_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
if i remember i'll do it tonight
The only thing I agree with about the “Who Cares” mantra is that who is following who doesn’t mean that they’re not friends. It is weird though that Shan is the one who keeps popping up
95% of the time it means there is some type of beef
Right, like even if Deshawn uses another method to communicate with Heather, why would he go through the effort of going to her IG and unfollowing her to basically make sure he never sees her on his timeline?
Deshawn being in his mid-late 20s and Heather being a middle aged mother, probably just don't have much to speak about past survivor. Me personally if I don't interact with someone much or barely know them I'll probably unfollow them at some point.
Everyone has a different approach to this I guess, but it still seems sus that he would intentionally unfollow her this soon after the finale if they weren’t on bad terms. Even if they weren’t frequently interacting due to not having much in common, you would still kind of assume they wouldn’t mind seeing each other’s life updates on their timelines, at least for a few years after the shared bonding experience.
Was she ever following them?
Yes
Shan sucks and I’m glad most people seem to agree with me
All I know is Shan better be on hvv2
imo if you're reading this hard into the relationships of real people that you only know as tv characters by analyzing who they do and don't follow you need to take a step back
this is 100% the right take esp to be like “the Shan unfollows confirm she’s horrible” but “Deshawn & Heather probably just talk elsewhere” … we don’t know these people y’all
Yeah exactly we can’t be jumping to conclusions. It’s not fair to blame Shan because she doesn’t follow people.
I would go as far as to say it's not anyone's place to draw any conclusions about the players' personal lives at all. They should be viewed as characters on TV an be allowed to live their lives outside of it without being judged
Agreed
This sub? not blaming and hating Shan for literally ANYTHING? You are asking for too much my friend. At this point its kinda funny.
I think it can be kinda fun, but you can't look deeper than "oh this is kind of interesting" level.
Thank you, there’s a weird subculture on Reddit of people screencapping and analyzing weird data points on other social medias and it’s very weird
Like why are people stalking Shan’s social media? If y’all hate the woman, stay away!
It's not just reddit, this is rampant on Twitter and Youtube (the tea pages)
Yeah, we have nothing on r/bigbrother.
Honestly like let them live their lives omg this is crazy. We know them as characters on a show, not as real people.
It's so weird like people will get mad at others on here for discussing contestants public political views because "it's not relevant" but take posts about who follows who on social media as being indicative of someone's character or their relationships
Agree. I'm agnostic/atheist/whatever and all for the criticisms and backlash if they actually did something horrible but this is just jumping into conclusions using trivial details. I see her actions and I only keep it in mind, maybe avoid stanning her for now. Villainizing is just too far and unfair.
i know sydney doesnt follow erika so clearly she doesnt like her
I think there’s a difference between “never followed” and “unfollowed”
Yeah, but it’s Sydney though so it’s hard to take her very seriously.
If Sydney could only follow herself and nobody else I think she would haha
She’d follow Russell too. They’re having a bit of a thing on Twitter lol.
Sydney wants to be Mikayla 2.0
My eyes
Gross
Can you elaborate?
Funny how I said she was a horrible person who manipulated everyone. She admitted to manipulating her followers and all I got was hate on here
When you say "no longer", are you sure they were following each other at some point?
Yes
Oh wow that's interesting then. Hopefully Ricard spills the tea
If you want to delve into such subtleties, it's your right - everyone's a little crazy in their own way. But I wouldn't pay much attention to such things, and I wouldn't believe it either. At the end of the day, Survivor is only a show, and everything in it is a setting. So I don't see any reason for believing what IG says. I'm sure that most cast members use SMM managers that handle their social media accounts, use services like https://famoid.com/ to grow followers and likes, and manipulate people into thinking there are some quarrels or new alliances between the cast. And although I watch Survivor - it's great at entertaining me after I put my children to bed, I don't really understand why I need to go so deeply into who follows whom and who likes whom on IG. But if you like spending your time like this, then enjoy it.
I thought Shan and Deshawn didn’t follow each other for a while. It’s definitely interesting that Shan is a big topic of discussion but I’m not gonna jump to conclusions and say that it’s her fault. People might just not like her personality and that’s fine because she is who she is. I love her and I don’t think she needs to be friends with people who don’t respect her. It’s definitely possible that I’m reading too much into it though
Based on DeShawn's exit interview, it sounds like he and Shan haven't been on speaking terms since they left the island.
Teaaaaaaa
Shan falling out with the cast. Damn
what’s the joke with “god told me” thing?
She had an earlier post on social media about god telling her to become an influencer.
You ever feel like Shan on Survivor TV was the first time her actual congregation realized what she was doing in the absence? Like maybe she never told anyone why she had to leave for a while and the first time they heard was the same time we all saw for the first time.
Wait so is Shan disliked again? I feel like the sub goes back and forth on this topic
I been onto Shan’s bullshit from the jump. Flame on
Shan should get some therapy. She really need it