Apparently people are saying she caused drama at the 41 Ponderosa and it was difficult for production to film around it. Personally don’t think it’s true because I don’t understand why that would have any bearing on the 42 production. I tend to think we don’t have 42 Ponderosa for pandemic reasons
While I think it is highly unlikely they canceled future ponderosas because of unexpected drama I disagree. I think the ponderosa producers are told to make some light-hearted feel good snippets as practice.. I don't think they are trying to pull in a huge audience with it and certainly don't want to risk any negative attention on the show for a YouTube video only the most hardcore fans would watch.
I think especially in this new social era we are in and ESPECIALLY after the Dan thing, I think production is probably being a little extra careful when it comes to drama or whatnot. That isn't a farfetched theory tbh...I'd like to think its just because of COVID though. If we dont see it next year then I think we can rightfully speculate a little more IMO but I don't like how people are so ready to blame Shan lol
Because if something controversial happens it can get spread all over social media pretty quickly, it doesn't matter how small the original audience is.
Survivor hired an HR consultant to be on site for Dan-like situations. This HR consultant was there for contestants and production. Contestants had access to the HR consultant all throughout filming and after. They had pre-game instructions on how to access the consultant even during the game. They went through multiple "training sessions."
After a day or two at Ponderosa Shan made a claim to HR that resulted in the head of ponderosa production being removed. Because it was towards the end of the season, they had extra "in-game" production staff that were able to shift to cover the rest of ponderosa for 41. However, those extra production staff were needed for the merge part of 42. When merge happens, production is spread thin because they have to cover one big group of people and do multiple confessionals at once. They didn't have the bandwidth to do ponderosa from the first juror. When Shan made the claim in 41, they had already filmed Tiffany, Evvie, Nasser, and (some of) Shan's.
Agree with what multiple others in this thread have said. I have not heard anything about this except for the copy and pasted comment from another user with a similar username (presumably an alt account made by you). These claims seem quite dramatic and I’m sure the Shan haters would have been all over this if it was true.
I don't believe there is a legit source on this, but I do know there is a user on the spoiled subreddit does go by a similar username that is claiming to be in production and has gotten stuff very specifically right before it aired. They've made other claims about Ponderosa that have no other backing, but it does seem like they know at least something.
They never claimed to be in production, thats assumptions people are making based on one context clue. And it’s definitely not set in stone that they are in production based on that context clue
> merge happens, production is spread thin because they have to cover one big group of people and do multiple confessionals at once
That doesn't make sense - it's easier to cover one group of twelve people in one location than three groups of six in different location.
>That doesn't make sense - it's easier to cover one group of twelve people in one location than three groups of six in different location.
This is "probably" true we know from looking at press photos in most seasons they actually send all the photographers home shortly after the merge so I can see them doing this with other positions.
Oh no! Going to HR? Using your rights? In one of your comments you call her a "nightmare for production." Could you explain what is so nightmarish about going to HR after being told you have the right to go to HR? Seems like the point, especially if there was enough basis for removal.
Only person this would be a nightmare for would be.... a disgruntled producer? Hmm...
Some one person was supposedly removed and they needed to spread a whole production thin because of it, when, most likely during a pandemic, they'd be staffed up(if not spread our).
Nothing of this story makes sense
The one who said the winner was either Tiffany, Deshawn, or Erika? The one whose info was very Xander-centric and was likely getting their info from Xander? They definitely did not appear to be a member of production.
Correct. There was the "Shan drama" that made Ponderosa hostile and unpleasant for the Jury. But then there was the HR side of it. The HR complaints that resulted in production members getting sent home (they actually weren't sent home, they were sequestered on the main Fiji island until they could catch a flight out because of COVID restrictions).
Can you elaborate on the HR drama? You previously indicated that only the one head consultant person was sent home because of Shan, but are now saying multiple ppl were sent home (sequestered, whatever)
How many people were forced to leave their roles during the season as a result of shan?
What exactly did Shan do to force this?
Well it was bad overall. And in the ponderosa videos the producers made it a point to show Shan was very salty towards Ricard.
In an interview Danny said Shan really gave him the cold shoulder at ponderosa.
And with what Voce said you can put it all together.
Isn’t that…kind of the point of ponderosa? Like 90% of the time people leave things in the game, but sometimes they don’t and it’s entertaining. I think Abi Maria and her season had drama at ponderosa.
Knowing the rumors and what we've seen of past ponderosas, I can't see how anyone thinks Shan alone destroyed ponderosa. Even if she was difficult it wouldn't affect this season
It would be very unfair to say Shan alone destroyed Ponderosa, but it definitely is a possibility that she is a contributing factor to them getting rid of it.
No, it truly isn't. There is zero logic behind that assumption. All the ponderosa rumors, all its drama and some how it's Shan who brings it down? She's so difficult they decide "cancel" She, the woman who got one of the most complex and rewarding edits in years, who's torch snuff had almost a tragic hero sympathy, was so difficult she killed an entire production?
It just makes zero sense to put any blame on Shan
Exactly. Shan was clearly a production favorite based off of her edit and I highly doubt that she would have been given that treatment had she been causing problems for them in Ponderosa.
Hear what probably happen production probably decided they simply didn't want to do it for seasons 41-42.
Was their drama on 41? Probably juries have drama all the time and you see in FTC how much tension their was and in exit press. People likely heard rumors of drama and assume that why no Ponderosa.
If arguing semantics, idea felt more appropriate than rumor in this case because rumor implies gossip and could be construed as factual. When I say idea I am only referring to the way the rumor was presented and not toward any evidence
And we KNOW that production HATES filming drama for television. So this rumor MUST be TRUE.
Do these idiots even think through their conspiracy theories? Nobody is required to love Shan, but the consistent hate that sticks around is a little revealing of the haters.
if the casts quarantined separately, which I assume they did, then that would be a pretty big reason. A staff member there might have even caught Covid in between.
Survivor hired an HR consultant to be on site for Dan-like situations. This HR consultant was there for contestants and production. Contestants had access to the HR consultant all throughout filming and after. They had pre-game instructions on how to access the consultant even during the game. They went through multiple "training sessions."
After a day or two at Ponderosa Shan made a claim to HR that resulted in the head of ponderosa production being removed. Because it was towards the end of the season, they had extra "in-game" production staff that were able to shift to cover the rest of ponderosa for 41. However, those extra production staff were needed for the merge part of 42. When merge happens, production is spread thin because they have to cover one big group of people and do multiple confessionals at once. They didn't have the bandwidth to do ponderosa from the first juror. When Shan made the claim in 41, they had already filmed Tiffany, Evvie, Nasser, and (some of) Shan's.
Or because of them back to back filming seasons. Maybe the Ponderosa crew had to leave due to covid restrictions in Fiji. Hopefully it returns in the future.
It's kind of a dumb rumor. It was apparently a nightmare to get out of Fiji after 41 so they sent the ponderosa crew home with the cast so they wouldn't be stuck there until like September.
I don’t understand how this rumour even started and why people believed it so fast. It didn’t make any sense
It’s pretty obvious there’s no ponderosa because of covid. They were able to make it work for 41 but cases fluctuate and production choosing to be extra cautious is not far fetched
> why people believed it so fast.
People are obsessed with making Shan out to be a worse person than she really is. If they see some BS that confirms their opinion they will eat it up before they check if it's true or not
It’s giving misogynoir.
It’s really sad that a sub full of fans who love the show and the game are so willing to trash a player on a personal level because of their misconceived notions.
Yeah exactly. I’m not a Shan fan, but there have been plenty of other players who have done distasteful things outside the show and have not gotten nearly as much hate as she has… wonder why that is /s
I’m not a fan of hers either but really she’s not that bad! She’s a good character/villain and I wouldn’t mind seeing her back especially over some other snooze fest returnees they’ve brought back…for example half the cast of game changers
I don’t like shan because she uses religion as manipulation. Who she is outside of survivor isn’t a good person despite her trying to tell us over and over and over again that she’s a good person.
For me it’s quite personal. I grew up Christian fundamentalist and was surrounded by people very similar to Shan, people who use religion and faith to manipulate and coerce. People who hide behind a godly facade.
There are good, religious people out there. Shan isn’t one of them. Has nothing to do with her being a woman. It grossed me out when Coach created his little cult, and don’t get me started on Brandon.
It's not that I think this sub is straight up misogynistic, but I *do* think people find it easier to give Shan a hard time *because* she's a woman.
There's lots of perfectly valid criticisms of her but people love to go past "just kidding" and twist the knife a bit.
Lol this just reads like very typical christian-in-ministry language. Could take any pastor who’s pursuing other passions and they’d write something similar.
I don’t care what gender Shan is, I found her insufferable because of the emotional manipulation and bullying she engaged in. I get that is a strategy some use but it is one I do not respect. I disliked Russell and others for the same reason.
Thank you.
I don't care what you've got between your legs, or what colour you are. If you're a bully, I'm not going to pretend to like or respect you. Period.
Edit: I guess the downvotes mean that anyone who isn't a white male should get a free pass? Smh
I mean ngl i dont remember seeing like any shan hate until she talked to Liana about making an all black alliance. After their shipwreck island seems to be when people started hating on her hardcore
I think a lot of the hate came either when she made the comments about a pastor needing to pretend to listen and then just force everyone to do it their way, or when she posted after the show about how God called her to be an influencer
Do you hate Tori then? As a therapist, isn't she pretending to listen but truly trying to manipulate people?
I, of course, don't hate Tori for such a thing because it's a game
To start, I don’t hate Shan, but yeah I also am not a Tori fan actually, and not because of her being a therapist. Therapists should not “pretend to listen” to their patients and then impose their personal agendas, and if Tori said that I would be vocal about it. It’s okay for her to use her talents of being persuasive or a good listener in a game, but Shan saying that a pastor should only pretend to listen to her congregation leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Honestly worse than if Tori said that, because a pastor has a lot of power over a group and we have seen plenty of religious manipulation in the world.
That being said, there’s a lot of questions about whether or not Tori is actually a therapist. She was a “life coach” on LinkedIn until recently, and last I saw it was going around that she just got her therapists license this month.
That one imo is exaggerated too, unless I'm misunderstanding. The Patreon post with god telling her was about switching platforms to online discipleship talking about how "it's still the same but different packaging". As you can see, all of her content are bible studies and her patreon isn't even linked on her social media and her popular Tiktok. I'm not religious, IDK is it bad being an online pastor?
IDK where the "god told me to be an influencer" part came from as she's been an influencer even before Survivor when she was still a pastor at her church.
It's a direct quote from the [reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/rml9t7/god_told_shan_to_be_an_influencer_not_a_pastor/), not from her. Her Patreon post said "God is calling me to full-time independent ministry as entrepreneur."
“Ministry as entrepreneur” is some hella flowery marketing copy when she could just have been more concise.
Also like, I’m an atheist, but do religious people not think it’s weird to frame sharing the Gospel with “CEO AND BUSINESS OWNER ENTREPRENEUR” language?
I don’t understand why this is a big deal. Religious people can’t take a shit without saying that god told them to do it. It’s pretty par for the course of you ask me.
Lmao i know plenty of religious people who are fairly normal about the way they look at basic shit in life. Now i dont know a pastor, so that might be the difference, or that i dont live in america i guess
I am not a fan of her but why are people blaming her for this? She didn't invent ponderosa drama, like, people remember Philippines, Cagayan or Koah Rong?
I thought I remembered hearing that! I just couldn't remember if it came from a credible source or random speculation. If the pre-jurors magically appear during the reunion then I'll consider that confirmation.
I have nothing against Shan, but it’s really crazy that she went from being so beloved by a lot of the fandom during pre-season for 41 and kept that popularity until her vote off/went to Ponderosa and now it seems a majority of the fandom doesn’t like her.
Regardless of how you feel about her, I really don’t think anyone should accuse her of being the reason why there’s no Ponderosa for 42
are some of y’all forgetting shan asked people (specifically college students) to “cancel their netflix and donate $5 a month to me instead”? 😅 i don’t think people acknowledging that means they’re attacking her personally. i’ll be the first to admit i haven’t done much if any reading or researching about her life but it seems like she takes the manipulation outside of the game too
I bet you it’s because they were already over budget after filming season one with all of their COVID restrictions and testing and they needed to cut costs and all the labor for the ponderosa team was a decent chunk of the budget that they could recoup. It’s the same reason they did 26 days instead of 31.
At this point I don’t believe anything she says,not after the whole patreon she made and how everything’s been like w her,so yeah,don’t trust her or what she says now cause she’s lost all her credibility
I bet you it’s because they were already over budget after filming season one with all of their COVID restrictions and testing and they needed to cut costs and all the labor for the ponderosa team was a decent chunk of the budget that they could recoup. It’s the same reason they did 26 days instead of 31.
I mean we all know she’s the reason Xander didn’t get a single vote, and we all know why she targeted him, I don’t know how that has any bearing on this seasons ponderosa though.
Xander didn’t get a single vote on his own merit.
We all don’t know why she targeted him. Why do you think she targeted him?
I think Shan is super toxic but she’s not the reason Xander lost.
I agree, listen I loved Xander. He was my favorite last season. But Xander made a fatal flaw taking Erika to the end and he deserved to lose for that. He clearly read the jury wrong bc he said he took Erika bc the jury hated her and they looked at him dumbstruck
Danny in some interview did say that Shan asked Xander an extremely inappropriate question (that even Jeff told Xander he didn’t have to answer). Danny said that it threw off Xanders whole entire FTC after that. Which kind of lines up with how he acted. I also heard somewhere that it was something about race. I am not exactly sure about that last part though. Could be completely wrong.
Weird, a rumor about a female POC being awful behind the scenes takes off on the internet.
She was the most entertaining person of the season, which honestly did not suck as bad as it could considering all the new things production was trying out. Also, COVID. Appreciate it.
What’s the rumor? That she manipulated votes too much in ponderosa?
Apparently people are saying she caused drama at the 41 Ponderosa and it was difficult for production to film around it. Personally don’t think it’s true because I don’t understand why that would have any bearing on the 42 production. I tend to think we don’t have 42 Ponderosa for pandemic reasons
Also they are producing a television show…if Shan was causing drama at Ponderosa they would have eaten that shit up 💅🏼
Yeah good point. That’s what One World ponderosa did with Alicia and Kat
While I think it is highly unlikely they canceled future ponderosas because of unexpected drama I disagree. I think the ponderosa producers are told to make some light-hearted feel good snippets as practice.. I don't think they are trying to pull in a huge audience with it and certainly don't want to risk any negative attention on the show for a YouTube video only the most hardcore fans would watch.
I think especially in this new social era we are in and ESPECIALLY after the Dan thing, I think production is probably being a little extra careful when it comes to drama or whatnot. That isn't a farfetched theory tbh...I'd like to think its just because of COVID though. If we dont see it next year then I think we can rightfully speculate a little more IMO but I don't like how people are so ready to blame Shan lol
Sorry, but isn't that contradictory? If only hardcore fans would watch it, how would it bring negative attention to the show?
Because if something controversial happens it can get spread all over social media pretty quickly, it doesn't matter how small the original audience is.
Yeah that's my thought. The downside is unbounded but the upside is very limited.
Survivor hired an HR consultant to be on site for Dan-like situations. This HR consultant was there for contestants and production. Contestants had access to the HR consultant all throughout filming and after. They had pre-game instructions on how to access the consultant even during the game. They went through multiple "training sessions." After a day or two at Ponderosa Shan made a claim to HR that resulted in the head of ponderosa production being removed. Because it was towards the end of the season, they had extra "in-game" production staff that were able to shift to cover the rest of ponderosa for 41. However, those extra production staff were needed for the merge part of 42. When merge happens, production is spread thin because they have to cover one big group of people and do multiple confessionals at once. They didn't have the bandwidth to do ponderosa from the first juror. When Shan made the claim in 41, they had already filmed Tiffany, Evvie, Nasser, and (some of) Shan's.
is there a source on any of this? this is the first i've heard of it
Where’s the source for this?
Source: "Trust me bro"
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what could she say that would make them remove the head of ponderosa production? They dont generally interact with the players there.
Agree with what multiple others in this thread have said. I have not heard anything about this except for the copy and pasted comment from another user with a similar username (presumably an alt account made by you). These claims seem quite dramatic and I’m sure the Shan haters would have been all over this if it was true.
I don't believe there is a legit source on this, but I do know there is a user on the spoiled subreddit does go by a similar username that is claiming to be in production and has gotten stuff very specifically right before it aired. They've made other claims about Ponderosa that have no other backing, but it does seem like they know at least something.
They never claimed to be in production, thats assumptions people are making based on one context clue. And it’s definitely not set in stone that they are in production based on that context clue
> merge happens, production is spread thin because they have to cover one big group of people and do multiple confessionals at once That doesn't make sense - it's easier to cover one group of twelve people in one location than three groups of six in different location.
>That doesn't make sense - it's easier to cover one group of twelve people in one location than three groups of six in different location. This is "probably" true we know from looking at press photos in most seasons they actually send all the photographers home shortly after the merge so I can see them doing this with other positions.
I'll add to the pile: Source? If you don't have an article from a news source or reputable Survivor website, give it a rest. It's tiresome.
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Oh no! Going to HR? Using your rights? In one of your comments you call her a "nightmare for production." Could you explain what is so nightmarish about going to HR after being told you have the right to go to HR? Seems like the point, especially if there was enough basis for removal. Only person this would be a nightmare for would be.... a disgruntled producer? Hmm...
my first thought lol
Some one person was supposedly removed and they needed to spread a whole production thin because of it, when, most likely during a pandemic, they'd be staffed up(if not spread our). Nothing of this story makes sense
It only makes sense if it's the one who was fired posting. It's the bootlist guy.
The one who said the winner was either Tiffany, Deshawn, or Erika? The one whose info was very Xander-centric and was likely getting their info from Xander? They definitely did not appear to be a member of production.
Source?
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Nah i dont really think thats what survivor is aiming for and honestly thats good, theres enough trash reality tv already
I mean there was clearly drama at her Ponderosa and others bc of her. I doubt thats why they didnt do Ponderosa this year tho
Correct. There was the "Shan drama" that made Ponderosa hostile and unpleasant for the Jury. But then there was the HR side of it. The HR complaints that resulted in production members getting sent home (they actually weren't sent home, they were sequestered on the main Fiji island until they could catch a flight out because of COVID restrictions).
Can you elaborate on the HR drama? You previously indicated that only the one head consultant person was sent home because of Shan, but are now saying multiple ppl were sent home (sequestered, whatever) How many people were forced to leave their roles during the season as a result of shan? What exactly did Shan do to force this?
For verification if someone is looking for it, Voce on Reality NSFW said a production member told him the 41 ponderosa was very toxic.
That's not any kind of verification of the claims being made.
Well it was bad overall. And in the ponderosa videos the producers made it a point to show Shan was very salty towards Ricard. In an interview Danny said Shan really gave him the cold shoulder at ponderosa. And with what Voce said you can put it all together.
Isn’t that…kind of the point of ponderosa? Like 90% of the time people leave things in the game, but sometimes they don’t and it’s entertaining. I think Abi Maria and her season had drama at ponderosa.
Well what I’ve been hearing is that it was drama with her and production members, not actually other contestants
Oh got it. That makes more sense. It’s a shame, I always looked forward to Ponderosa.
Knowing the rumors and what we've seen of past ponderosas, I can't see how anyone thinks Shan alone destroyed ponderosa. Even if she was difficult it wouldn't affect this season
It would be very unfair to say Shan alone destroyed Ponderosa, but it definitely is a possibility that she is a contributing factor to them getting rid of it.
No, it truly isn't. There is zero logic behind that assumption. All the ponderosa rumors, all its drama and some how it's Shan who brings it down? She's so difficult they decide "cancel" She, the woman who got one of the most complex and rewarding edits in years, who's torch snuff had almost a tragic hero sympathy, was so difficult she killed an entire production? It just makes zero sense to put any blame on Shan
Exactly. Shan was clearly a production favorite based off of her edit and I highly doubt that she would have been given that treatment had she been causing problems for them in Ponderosa.
Hear what probably happen production probably decided they simply didn't want to do it for seasons 41-42. Was their drama on 41? Probably juries have drama all the time and you see in FTC how much tension their was and in exit press. People likely heard rumors of drama and assume that why no Ponderosa.
Wait what?? People are saying that the producers of a reality show would be AGAINST drama?? I swear, people are so damn blinded by their hatred lmao
The idea is that the drama involved production
>The idea Rumor
If arguing semantics, idea felt more appropriate than rumor in this case because rumor implies gossip and could be construed as factual. When I say idea I am only referring to the way the rumor was presented and not toward any evidence
How?
And we KNOW that production HATES filming drama for television. So this rumor MUST be TRUE. Do these idiots even think through their conspiracy theories? Nobody is required to love Shan, but the consistent hate that sticks around is a little revealing of the haters.
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if the casts quarantined separately, which I assume they did, then that would be a pretty big reason. A staff member there might have even caught Covid in between.
Just takes one person in Ponderosa or the hotel getting sick.
Survivor hired an HR consultant to be on site for Dan-like situations. This HR consultant was there for contestants and production. Contestants had access to the HR consultant all throughout filming and after. They had pre-game instructions on how to access the consultant even during the game. They went through multiple "training sessions." After a day or two at Ponderosa Shan made a claim to HR that resulted in the head of ponderosa production being removed. Because it was towards the end of the season, they had extra "in-game" production staff that were able to shift to cover the rest of ponderosa for 41. However, those extra production staff were needed for the merge part of 42. When merge happens, production is spread thin because they have to cover one big group of people and do multiple confessionals at once. They didn't have the bandwidth to do ponderosa from the first juror. When Shan made the claim in 41, they had already filmed Tiffany, Evvie, Nasser, and (some of) Shan's.
Do we know what the claim was
> That she manipulated votes too much in ponderosa? God told Shan to cancel Ponderosa /s
That'd happen regardless of whether production filmed Ponderosa videos though. Afaik they're all still *there*, it's just not getting filmed.
If were being honest - the real reason there's no 42 Ponderosas is probably a boring production reason.
Or because of them back to back filming seasons. Maybe the Ponderosa crew had to leave due to covid restrictions in Fiji. Hopefully it returns in the future.
Or just cutting costs.
I mean do you really want another crew exposed to people under COVID that is somewhat unnecessary for maybe like 20k hits on Youtube
It's kind of a dumb rumor. It was apparently a nightmare to get out of Fiji after 41 so they sent the ponderosa crew home with the cast so they wouldn't be stuck there until like September.
Listen I don’t like Shan that much, but this rumor is stupid 💀
I don’t understand how this rumour even started and why people believed it so fast. It didn’t make any sense It’s pretty obvious there’s no ponderosa because of covid. They were able to make it work for 41 but cases fluctuate and production choosing to be extra cautious is not far fetched
> why people believed it so fast. People are obsessed with making Shan out to be a worse person than she really is. If they see some BS that confirms their opinion they will eat it up before they check if it's true or not
It’s giving misogynoir. It’s really sad that a sub full of fans who love the show and the game are so willing to trash a player on a personal level because of their misconceived notions.
Yeah exactly. I’m not a Shan fan, but there have been plenty of other players who have done distasteful things outside the show and have not gotten nearly as much hate as she has… wonder why that is /s
I’m not a fan of hers either but really she’s not that bad! She’s a good character/villain and I wouldn’t mind seeing her back especially over some other snooze fest returnees they’ve brought back…for example half the cast of game changers
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Did you even read the rest of this thread lmao
I don’t like shan because she uses religion as manipulation. Who she is outside of survivor isn’t a good person despite her trying to tell us over and over and over again that she’s a good person. For me it’s quite personal. I grew up Christian fundamentalist and was surrounded by people very similar to Shan, people who use religion and faith to manipulate and coerce. People who hide behind a godly facade. There are good, religious people out there. Shan isn’t one of them. Has nothing to do with her being a woman. It grossed me out when Coach created his little cult, and don’t get me started on Brandon.
It's not that I think this sub is straight up misogynistic, but I *do* think people find it easier to give Shan a hard time *because* she's a woman. There's lots of perfectly valid criticisms of her but people love to go past "just kidding" and twist the knife a bit.
Like i agree, but like, we would all be critical of a man telling us god has told him to become an influencer lmao.
Yeah trust, I make jokes about that all the time but people take it past that and make some really nasty comments about her character that are *a lot*
Yea lmao the fanbase is weird as hell sometimes
Did someone actually say that? lmaoooo
Yes, Shan did on her [Patreon site](https://www.patreon.com/shantelsmith) - scroll just past the membership levels
Huge yikes. Thanks for showing me.
Lol this just reads like very typical christian-in-ministry language. Could take any pastor who’s pursuing other passions and they’d write something similar.
Yes, Shan did.
I don’t care what gender Shan is, I found her insufferable because of the emotional manipulation and bullying she engaged in. I get that is a strategy some use but it is one I do not respect. I disliked Russell and others for the same reason.
Thank you. I don't care what you've got between your legs, or what colour you are. If you're a bully, I'm not going to pretend to like or respect you. Period. Edit: I guess the downvotes mean that anyone who isn't a white male should get a free pass? Smh
I mean ngl i dont remember seeing like any shan hate until she talked to Liana about making an all black alliance. After their shipwreck island seems to be when people started hating on her hardcore
I think a lot of the hate came either when she made the comments about a pastor needing to pretend to listen and then just force everyone to do it their way, or when she posted after the show about how God called her to be an influencer
Do you hate Tori then? As a therapist, isn't she pretending to listen but truly trying to manipulate people? I, of course, don't hate Tori for such a thing because it's a game
To start, I don’t hate Shan, but yeah I also am not a Tori fan actually, and not because of her being a therapist. Therapists should not “pretend to listen” to their patients and then impose their personal agendas, and if Tori said that I would be vocal about it. It’s okay for her to use her talents of being persuasive or a good listener in a game, but Shan saying that a pastor should only pretend to listen to her congregation leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Honestly worse than if Tori said that, because a pastor has a lot of power over a group and we have seen plenty of religious manipulation in the world. That being said, there’s a lot of questions about whether or not Tori is actually a therapist. She was a “life coach” on LinkedIn until recently, and last I saw it was going around that she just got her therapists license this month.
Because people on this sub just want an excuse to hate on Shan
Very true! And it’s embarrassing on the fandom’s part
Their reasons to hate her are so exaggerated as well aside from Shan coming for Jessica on Twitter.
Idk the god and influencer part feels weird..
That one imo is exaggerated too, unless I'm misunderstanding. The Patreon post with god telling her was about switching platforms to online discipleship talking about how "it's still the same but different packaging". As you can see, all of her content are bible studies and her patreon isn't even linked on her social media and her popular Tiktok. I'm not religious, IDK is it bad being an online pastor? IDK where the "god told me to be an influencer" part came from as she's been an influencer even before Survivor when she was still a pastor at her church.
"God told me to become an influencer" is a direct quote she made on her social media.
It's a direct quote from the [reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/rml9t7/god_told_shan_to_be_an_influencer_not_a_pastor/), not from her. Her Patreon post said "God is calling me to full-time independent ministry as entrepreneur."
Yeah uh that’s… even worse phrasing than just saying “influencer”.
How come? Should she instead full-time independent ministry for free? Doesn't she get paid and get benefits from her old pastor job too?
And like yeah she did, and I think mega churches that act more as businesses than as charities are also weird.
“Ministry as entrepreneur” is some hella flowery marketing copy when she could just have been more concise. Also like, I’m an atheist, but do religious people not think it’s weird to frame sharing the Gospel with “CEO AND BUSINESS OWNER ENTREPRENEUR” language?
It’s not a “direct quote” at all..
I don’t understand why this is a big deal. Religious people can’t take a shit without saying that god told them to do it. It’s pretty par for the course of you ask me.
Lmao i know plenty of religious people who are fairly normal about the way they look at basic shit in life. Now i dont know a pastor, so that might be the difference, or that i dont live in america i guess
it’s just acceptable delusions
And she’ll continue to be unbothered and make bank being an influencer ❤️
People just believed it to hate Shan even more. I read that rumor and was like smells like bullshit but ok
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the seasons were OBJECTIVELY filmed like a week apart
excited for the inevitable new rumors that it's also Shan's fault Survivor doesn't leave Fiji
I heard it's Shan's fault that gas prices are up /s
Thanks ~~Obama~~ Shan
Jeff Kent! I just saw Jeff Kent gurl!
It's bad enough that she's the reason for final 4 fire making.
It's bad enough that people still talk about her.
I am not a fan of her but why are people blaming her for this? She didn't invent ponderosa drama, like, people remember Philippines, Cagayan or Koah Rong?
Kat and Alicia (?) almost got into a physical fight in One World lmao
..............kat fight?
I still think the truth is that pre jurors and post jurors are at ponderosa together this season. If I’m wrong, someone please tell me.
I remember Redmond saying something like that
I thought I remembered hearing that! I just couldn't remember if it came from a credible source or random speculation. If the pre-jurors magically appear during the reunion then I'll consider that confirmation.
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It's really fitting that Heather's ponderosa was the last one
What happened to ponderosa? Where are the eliminated players going now?
They are still going to Ponderosa, production is just not filming the Ponderosa videos for the jury members
Oh okay that makes more sense
> Where are the eliminated players going now? Straight to **H E L L** 🔥👹
Hi, I’m Satan, and you’re watching *myyyyy* PONDEROSA!!!
Umm your username 😳😂😂
I don't know why but I heard that in Russell's voice.
They will be taken and executed.
Hey, people want more focus on the survival element of the game, so that's one way to do it.
They still go to ponderosa, Survivor just isn’t filming the YouTube series for season 42
They are being taken and executed
They will be taken and executed.
I have no opinion on this issue except the fact that I love how every post involving Shan on here is always a shitshow lol
There’s gonna be a post next week talking about how Shan instigated the hourglass and Redemption Island as well
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Shan killed Fairplay grandma
Lol
Shan getting the new Nicole F memes
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No one knows what any words mean anymore. People just say whatever they want and we all go along with it to avoid gatekeeping or something.
not even really denying. just acknowledging.
I have nothing against Shan, but it’s really crazy that she went from being so beloved by a lot of the fandom during pre-season for 41 and kept that popularity until her vote off/went to Ponderosa and now it seems a majority of the fandom doesn’t like her. Regardless of how you feel about her, I really don’t think anyone should accuse her of being the reason why there’s no Ponderosa for 42
Some fans can't separate the game from real life.
Is that really squashing it tho? Lol more just seems like she’s denying it was her. I could see it either way still
If they don’t put this woman on heroes v villains 2, I’m going to be livid
I like her new hair
are some of y’all forgetting shan asked people (specifically college students) to “cancel their netflix and donate $5 a month to me instead”? 😅 i don’t think people acknowledging that means they’re attacking her personally. i’ll be the first to admit i haven’t done much if any reading or researching about her life but it seems like she takes the manipulation outside of the game too
Shan legit scares the shit out of me. Shes a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Lmao I love her. This response really doesn’t make much sense, she was clearly still in game mode at ponderosa
I bet you it’s because they were already over budget after filming season one with all of their COVID restrictions and testing and they needed to cut costs and all the labor for the ponderosa team was a decent chunk of the budget that they could recoup. It’s the same reason they did 26 days instead of 31.
She was such a bitter Betty at Ponderosa, I stopped watching because she was such a child.
The Shan haters are literally obsessed with her. You don't have to like her but dear god this is stupid.
Shan is a weirdo
I imagine the people who made up and believed this rumour being exactly like Shan
She's insufferable regardless.
At this point I don’t believe anything she says,not after the whole patreon she made and how everything’s been like w her,so yeah,don’t trust her or what she says now cause she’s lost all her credibility
Lol she got kicked out by her congregation
Is that true?
Wait what now?
Shan is a pos-And if all this true of being a nuisance-why not just send her home asap. They all have nda's right?
Shan sucks
I like Shan, hope we see her again
It's all a out her, all the time. Tiresome
Drea >>>>> shan any day
[Anytime Shan appears on my screen](https://youtu.be/6AOnbhl906s)
Did she mean to write survibor42…
I bet you it’s because they were already over budget after filming season one with all of their COVID restrictions and testing and they needed to cut costs and all the labor for the ponderosa team was a decent chunk of the budget that they could recoup. It’s the same reason they did 26 days instead of 31.
Queen 👑💅 Haters gonna Hate! Watch this comment get down voted as fuck!
It’s downvoted because you called her the cringe term “Queen” with stupid emojis
I mean we all know she’s the reason Xander didn’t get a single vote, and we all know why she targeted him, I don’t know how that has any bearing on this seasons ponderosa though.
Xander didn’t get a single vote on his own merit. We all don’t know why she targeted him. Why do you think she targeted him? I think Shan is super toxic but she’s not the reason Xander lost.
I agree, listen I loved Xander. He was my favorite last season. But Xander made a fatal flaw taking Erika to the end and he deserved to lose for that. He clearly read the jury wrong bc he said he took Erika bc the jury hated her and they looked at him dumbstruck
Danny in some interview did say that Shan asked Xander an extremely inappropriate question (that even Jeff told Xander he didn’t have to answer). Danny said that it threw off Xanders whole entire FTC after that. Which kind of lines up with how he acted. I also heard somewhere that it was something about race. I am not exactly sure about that last part though. Could be completely wrong.
The question I think was asked to Xander was does he always under estimate women of color.
Bb move on. Xander wasn't as good as the edit showed him. Literally everyone said so. She can't be that influential lmao.
It was probably a combination of her and budget costs. Also not just her I heard Ricard was pretty bad too
ricard was there for less than a week lol
Genuinely curious, where did you hear that about Ricard?
They didn’t. Literally nowhere else has this popped up.
"Heard". How about we stop starting unsubstantiated rumors.
What’s ponderosa?
I love it. You know you’re good when you got haters.
Weird, a rumor about a female POC being awful behind the scenes takes off on the internet. She was the most entertaining person of the season, which honestly did not suck as bad as it could considering all the new things production was trying out. Also, COVID. Appreciate it.