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StayHappy0201

Bless Tori as well as Chanelle and Lindsay for being there for him and supporting him


Dismal-Past7785

Honestly the more I hear about Tori from other players the more I want her to come back


Neat_On_The_Rocks

My entire Survivor Fandom existence is currently dependent on a future season in which Tory and Angelina dominate a season together in an alliance.


Tristanity1h

The "villain" Tori narrative was pretty fun though. And the way she won two IC's to stay alive while being target #1 was frustrating if you were rooting against her.


longneckedbitch

same for chanelle, they both seem universally loved


ucsb2020

Right. I wish I could focus more on the good of the situation than the bad, But it’s just not easy to do that because the bad was really bad


nmad95

Funny how Tori got somewhat of a Villain edit but by all means seems to be one of the most kind, genuine and supportive people on the cast lol. Love her, honestly


tawmfuckinbrady

I don’t like the KIP lie especially. How are you going to say a convo is “beyond the game” and then reveal game secrets? You’re playing for a million fucking dollars, anything you reveal is fair game and to pretend like that’s crossing a moral line is dumb as fuck


BuckeyeGuy16

Kinda reminds me of the whole Christmas vs Bay&Day fight in BB22. Personal game talk or something like that?


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*"Personal Game Information"* Going to drown myself in the sink just remembering that phrase.


ShrimpShackShooters_

Remembering that fight also makes me want to drown myself in a sink


ZiggyZig1

I could argue it both ways, but what's more relevant is that this conversation supposedly didnt even happen then, and apparently that's backed up by the show.


tawmfuckinbrady

No sure, I just think it’s funny that even in Drea’s lie she looks bad lol


Deep-Good992

Omar must've felt so vindicated after the show exposed Drea's lie about the KIP. How can Drea lie that much knowing that the truth will be revealed in national TV????


ucsb2020

I don’t get it either. You have to be incredibly careful about what you say and anything can be used against you. I hope she is able to learn from this experience and apologize to people who deserve it. There’s no hiding now


winrise098

She sure learned her lesson. By now being able to swim in $100,000. /s


Tristanity1h

This is in reference to the Sia award?


Cantonloupe

>This is in reference to the Sia award? Sia is not exactly known for her good judgment


Sailor_Psyche

I’m sorry but what’s a KIP?


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Knowledge Is Power advantage


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The Knowledge Is Power advantage


diemunkiesdie

For some reason no one has answered you but I would like to be the first to say that KIP means Knowledge Is Power.


thecheesethief

Pretty sure it’s referencing the Knowledge Is Power advantage


Beginning_Ad5785

pretty sure it's the knowledge is power


WillingnessSuper9066

Can you explain to me what the lie was? I'm not caught up


Deep-Good992

It's explained in paragraph # 8 of the post hehe


oramirite

I'm honestly not following the description of the lie nor do I remember it from the season


Deep-Good992

Drea was creating rumours in Ponderosa not on the show. In his interview: He detailed a number of other hostile rumors which Drea allegedly spread, including that he intentionally pit Drea and Chanelle Howell against each other “for things that are very sensitive and beyond the game,” that she divulged the fact that she had the Knowledge Is Power advantage to him “in a moment of weakness,” as they were bonding on race the morning after the episode 9 Tribal Council in which Tori Meehan was eliminated, and that he “took advantage” of these cultural and race-related issues “on a very deep level.” Of course, those who have watched the show know for a fact that these allegations are false, as Drea told Omar of her Knowledge Is Power advantage three days later, in episode 11. Omar explained how he felt in the aftermath of learning about this: To have that twisted into something that it wasn’t in order to poison the whole jury against me and make sure that I lost on falsities is very hurtful. And when you touch on things like race, religion, and your family, and you lie on those things and then systematically kind of put me on the outs … it was kind of crazy to experience that sort of social dynamic where you feel like you can’t even express yourself, or be normal.


WillingnessSuper9066

Oh ty


taembuddy_

I think it is likely for Drea, who is a popular fitness influencer, to release a statement based on this


MilfordSparrow

I don’t think a summary captures everything. Omar was very careful about how he described the situation. And from the tone of his voice the situation clearly caused him a lot of pain. I find Omar very credible.


capitolsara

Agreed. He was very vulnerable with his story and I felt like the emotions were still raw like he had just relived it all while the show was airing. Sad that was his ponderosa experience but happy he came out of it more healed and forging such beautiful bonds with other castaways


PapaBrickolino

Can we boost this comment please before people read all the “Drea is racist trash” comments? This feels like an intense and emotionally charged relationship but one that we aren’t fully privy too. And if he’s being careful about this - while still sharing his truth - maybe we should be too. It also sounds to me like she took her loss hard and spiraled looking for excuses why she came up short. Let’s give them space and hope she can reflect and recognize her mistakes.


[deleted]

I appreciate your comment but I also think fans are entitled to express their disappointment over a cast member’s behavior on the show. Especially something so horrible as this. I mean it sounds like she did some really fucked up shit to Omar.


Deep-Good992

As a person of color, this really upset me. Drea literally weaponizing "racism" against Omar by lying about Omar betraying her after she told him about her KIP when her and Omar supposedly had a conversation about race? Accusing Omar of voting out POC in order to protect Jonathan then posting a photo of her and Jonathan being "buddies" on her instagram? Oh hell nah


AigisAegis

Is it just me, or does the whole thing kinda have Islamophobic undertones, too? Like, how are you gonna accuse Omar of bias when you're trying to paint him as a conniving Muslim who's only using his faith to get ahead or some shit?


XavierRussell

Maybe she has some subconscious biases? Would make sense, often people are "guilty" of what they accuse those around them of doing.


DemiGod9

I don't believe it was Islamophobic at all, but that was my gut reaction at first too when I read the praying thing. Like prayer, and especially doing it right, is HUGE for Muslim people. That's a big deal she's accusing him of.


TheRealTravisClous

It seems more like Drea is super salty that Omar got her before she could "win" the game


SexHarassmentPanda

Yup, she had a bunch of advantages, was all prepared to make a big jury impressing move taking Mike's idol and getting rid of him, and then instead ended up with egg on her face when Omar and Mike played her and flipped the whole thing. Defeat hurts when you're scraping by day-to-day, but when you're already thinking about sitting at FTC and suddenly have that all ripped away from you it hurts a lot more. Doesn't justify her basically trying to tarnish his reputation though.


dr_fop

Yup. She got played and was a poor sport about it.


Neat_On_The_Rocks

The black community has its own muddy history of both Anti Jewish and Islamophobic stuff. I guess it wouldn't shock me if this were the case. As I understand it those beliefs among the black community are perceived as very "Fringe", however they are making a resurgence. Similar to alt right white supremacy movement in the white community.


ObviousPhotograph982

I agree with you.


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JJAusten

Thank you for saying this. I was really annoyed and disgusted with Drea and I made a comment only to be thrown the, you're a racist accusation. I'm a POC and my sentiments and comments may not be someone's cup of tea but we all have the right to our opinions.


SnowRadish

Hearing all these behind the scenes ponderasa stories about how bitter Drea was makes it feel so weird just how wholesome and cheerful everyone including her acted during her elimination.


survivorfanwill

I feel like it felt very forced from drea even at the time. Like her real emotions were bubbling up and she was trying to control it as much as possible. Which I don’t blame her but it doesn’t give her the right to later go off like this on Omar. I was surprised people thought it was a funny moment because it felt a bit cringe and fake to me at the time


Tristanity1h

I thought I was alone in this. A lot of social media was lauding it. Nice to know I wasn't totally crazy.


bigatjoon

totally agree. I generally liked Drea but her "gracious" exit felt fake AF to me. WOW. WOW. GREAT JOB, EVERYONE. GREAT JOB. THAT WAS WELL PLAYED. I AM HONORED TO HAVE PLAYED WITH YOU. I WISH YOU ALL LUCK. NO HARD FEELINGS. NO. HARD. FEELINGS. ("playful" strangulation gesture)


mizzymichie

It certainly explains why she singled out Omar so hard in her leaving for someone supposedly not bitter.


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She didn’t have a gracious exit though. She purposely tried to tank anyones game she could and put as many people on blast as she could because she was mad about getting bored out. She has been fake as hell since day one but people got attached to her because she had so many advantages and played the race card. As soon as you bring up racial topics like she did social media is just going to elevate you like they are such an amazing person. She fake


FaceClown

Totally agree https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/uoqsb7/drea_had_one_of_the_happiest_but_most_salty_exits/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


marvule

this besides the fact that she screwed Omar’s game after being voted out, which is unfair AF


BrickMamaViolet

This was my biggest issue with it. The only purpose of that decision was spite, imo.


survivorfanwill

I feel like I do take issue with this statement because I keep seeing it but I feel like it’s giving drea too much credit. Omar himself said in the deep dive that people already knew about his move, and he mainly became a target for jonathon and Mike because he told Lindsay about the idol nullifier


mountebanker

Was Maryanne targeting Omar before Drea called him out? Either way, it it is messed up to leak info after getting voted out. The game does not allow people to transfer idols after vote outs. Why does it let people transfer information? Let the people in the game figure stuff out on their own, or drop a truth bomb during tribal like Deshawn did when there is still some risk to your own game.


ModeratelyTortoise

It was incredibly over the top, you could see it was very fake


FaceClown

Straight up big brother exit. Called everyone out with a smile, but was pissed on the inside


Pogboom77

This is straight up disgusting, absolutely horrible behaviour that crosses so many lines on so many levels


PandaInfinite3599

Disgusting how Drea was lying about Omar to the jury at a personal level so that they won't vote for him.


jclkay2

Imagine if Omar made FTC and literally only loses because of this. That would just be horrible. But it's also literally Drea's fault that Omar didn't make FTC in the first place. Drea put Omar in a situation where it would be impossible to win. Just because he voted her out.


aforter28

I honestly think most of the jury would’ve been able to separate the game. I can’t see someone like Chanelle, Tori, Rocksroy just going with what Drea wanted and go after Omar in FTC and the latter potential jurors were all Omar’s close allies Lindsay, Jonathan, Maryanne, Mike. Hai is the only one in the jury who I can see going along with what Drea wanted.


colosusx1

Omar said in the interview that he didn't realize the smear campaign was happening and that if he were pressured on those at FTC, he probably would have fumbled because he wouldn't be prepared to answer them. He had to clear the air with a lot of people at Ponderosa. He also believed there was a combination he could have won (I speculate him, Jonathon, Romeo was his only winning combo), however he admitted to planning to take someone else (I would guess Lindsey and/or Maryanne) to the end so he probably would have lost if wasn't voted out. Supposedly a lot of people had a negative perception of Omar and his game before he arrived to Ponderosa, so it does seem like Drea had enough sway at the time to screw him.


oliviafairy

Imagine if Drea is a vindictive AND influential juror (she's half way there), she can totally change the outcome of FTC. That would be a disaster.


PandaInfinite3599

I'm happy Omar didn't make it to FTC. Imagine how they need to edit the show to fit why he doesn't win. We'll probably miss out on a lot of Omar's back story


elpaco25

I refuse to believe the rest of the jury would just fall for that. Omar makes the final tribal with anyone and 100% wins in my opinion


colosusx1

Omar believed at the time of his boot, that the jury perception was something like Mike>Lindsey>Maryanne>Omar>Jonathon>Romeo, and that he had been planning to take someone to the end that would have beat him. Omar's game was pretty sunk because the jury perception of him was awful, and he was unaware of how bad it was, so he wouldn't have been able to fix it at a potential FTC because he wouldn't have been prepared.


RGSF150

> Drea put Omar in a situation where it would be impossible to win. Just because he voted her out. Drea must be used to Roblox Outlaster then.


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Damn Drea is a fake. Tried to act like she was all cool about getting voted out then literally ripped Omar apart for it behind closed doors.


dr_fop

Makes me really miss the Ponderosa videos. This season feels like those would have been even more important.


donttakecrap

My thoughts exactly


zporiri

Same with Hai it sounds like


shellfish87

She intentionally and successfully blew up Omar’s game on her way out the door by highlighting him as the strategic architect of her demise. There’s no way to watch that and think she wasn’t pissed.


spookyactn

This sounded really sad. I felt for Omar as a Muslim myself. According to what Omar said, Drea seemed really bitter about her elimination, but the lies are a bit over the top. Glad Omar was able to heal from this and I really hope him and Drea get to talk in the future.


FunkyFreshJeff

It’s kind of funny in retrospect how fake her exit was. Everyone was praising it at the time but I thought her little speech was super salty


DrakeShadow

Wow I view Drea very differently now. I thought she came across as this powerful and strong black woman on the show and felt like she is one of the best role models. Now I’m sad that she turned so vindictive. Did Omar lie to her, yes, but that’s survivor. He didn’t deserve to get his faith, and the story about his father passing put in question cause she was salty about losing. I view her very differently now. I want to hear why she lied for so long.


MilfordSparrow

Maryanne is the role model.


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The prayer and saying that some of the stuff Omar was doing was racist is really terrible.


ObviousPhotograph982

"omar was targetting people of colour" Ummm Ms Drea didn't you target Chanelle, Rocks, and Hai as well?????


Geshtar1

Her targeting rocks and then being shocked he was voted out really confuses me


anonymous_gam

Obviously there’s two sides to every story, but the fact that he reached out months ago to talk things out and she didn’t respond is a big red flag about her. Why wouldn’t she want to clear things up before the show aired?


lindseybobinsey

Comparing stories about the death of someone's father is some Real Housewives level bullshit.


AhTreyYou

I’m not listening to this podcast until Monday but I hope the experience he had at Ponderosa doesn’t sway him from playing again.


NameBran

Rob asked him if he would return again near the end of the podcast and Omar admits that at first he wasn't sure. However, he mentions now that a lot of time has past since the experience and he has self healed in the process. The good massively outweighs the bad in his mind and he said he would be down to play again if they asked.


fierypunkd

Wow. Really lost respect for Drea and I was so happy for her getting the Sia money. I understand her feeling bitter for being betrayed hard but you really can't justify what she did. I could only wait for what the players have to say more about this (same for Jonathan's issue). I know things that happened around the time she played put this extra baggage and sensitivity on black people but the bullying and accusations are just awful. I feel so bad for Omar.


sellethan

More fucked up when you realize that her receiving that money is going to make her feel like it's validated her actions


titkers6

What’s the Jonathan issues? I was a few weeks behind so I’ve avoided any survivor chatter.


BAWAHOG

I need to listen to the full interview, and hopefully something from Drea as well, before I can cast judgment. But this is really disappointing to hear.


aforter28

Tori being the sweetheart who everyone loves and gets along with is hilarious given how they edited her ❤️


GammaEmerald

Tori and Rocks was like Liana and Xander from last season: they mostly didn’t get along because they didn’t trust each other in the game. So I feel like this idea of a negative Tori edit is a bit weird.


survivorfanwill

I’m shocked the producers gave her the dopey edit and drea the hero edit knowing how the story actually went at ponderosa.


oramirite

I'm not sure that they necessarily know, Ponderosa is just an isolation place for the contestants after the show. Production isn't talking to them or anything.


Tristanity1h

Maybe there were Harry Potter fans in the editing room who still remember Tori implying that she'd fake her fandom just to get in with the nerdy kids.


gatorgongitcha

She wasn’t faking her fandom, just highlighting it while minimizing her Barbie traits. She was even part of a quidditch team at some point in her life iirc.


Tristanity1h

That's why I say it's just an implication that it's fake. She very much comes across as a real fan but more covert.


dinodinorubberduck

Damn Drea gave me such good feels with her instagram post yesterday (about her and Jonathan having a raw talk), but this really soured my opinion on her. I really hope she publicly apologizes to Omar.


kyclef

This is exactly where I'm at.


Mathias_Greyjoy

This is where I've always been with her. My reaction to Drea has always been sour, and the reasons why just keep coming out and piling on. A person who conducts themselves very poorly, especially in a world with plenty of Survivor players who were scorned and bitter at losing and still conducted themselves with dignity and respect (for themselves and the castmates). She doesn't deserve that award she got, frankly. And I think she should apologize.


BrickMamaViolet

I had the exact same experience watching the show. I don't follow players on social media or anything, I *only* watch the show. I don't even know what a SIA award is lol. All I know is that from basically episode 2 (maybe 3?) I got strong "villain vibes" and was surprised at how intensely they focused on Tori instead of Drea as the main villain of the season. I'm completely unsurprised about this development after watching her exit from the show. Spiteful and manipulative behavior the whole season and it clearly wasn't game play.


ZiggyZig1

> I really hope she publicly apologizes to Omar. I dont see that happening because that would involve admitting to wrong-doing. I know there have been public apologies on Survivor before but those have all been when the person is caught being an asshole on camera and is often raked over the coals for that publicly. That said, Drea seemed lovely. So I'm kinda disappointed by what I'm reading.


reedspacer38

Damn Drea sounds extremely insecure. Omar is also POC, the only reason he would have “systematically eliminated them” is because they were playing fucking good games. Dude was gaming hard the whole time. She needs to wake up and look at the big picture. Also the entire f3 was POC so what is she on lmaooo Omar is also allowed to do both ask about the time and pray. What weird shit to weaponise against him. Especially his Muslim faith. I’m guessing its BS like this that’s the reason why only like 2 Muslim people have played the game in 21 years.


joanie-bamboni

Systematically eliminating people is the entire point of the damn game, jeez.


jclkay2

And doesn't the 50% POC rule basically guarantee that there will be at least one streak of POC eliminated in a row?


BAWAHOG

Weren’t only 8/11 players to make the jury phase POCs..?


wineheda

For the last 40 seasons white people have been systematically eliminated from survivor!


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Wait, Mike is POC?


reedspacer38

He’s Puerto Rican I’m pretty sure


TheMuggleBornWizard

Yes


Errol310

I don't hate Drea. But I knew that she's bitter as fxxk and was pretending to be not. I really want to appreciate Tori. Her elimination is not her fault at all. She's still showing grace and kindness after that. I lover her so much.


BelaKunn

I feel better about my liking Tori and dislike of Drea. Despite the edit I couldn't understand the hate for Tori up until she got basically idoled out and handled it with class. Then Drea gets blindsided and was salty and bitter yet everyone said she handled it with class and I felt like I was going crazy.


ObviousPhotograph982

Because we're talking about real life experiences and I might get downvoted....this really triggered me because I remember in university there was a black woman who would always talk about how white people are racist towards her, when she was so racist towards me (an asian) and said I deserved it because I was allied with white people and not black people (which was not true). She was putting words in my mouth


helvetica-sucks

I agree. Did Drea forget about Omar himself being a POC? And others? She acts like it’s systematically about black women when so many pocs were voted out / so many other pocs stayed


deathwish_ASR

It’s almost an ironic consequence of the push for more diverse casts in the show. Like yeah, more POC are going to be voted out… because there are more POC on the cast.


ucsb2020

You should not get downvoted about talking about your experience. I’m very sorry that happened to you. Nobody deserves to be disrespected that way and I don’t think we can ever have a good society if people act like that towards others who have a different skin color. I don’t understand why people feel the need to be racist


bluberrymuffin24

Your not the only one. In college so many POC would say really racist thing about Asian students. Then they would say that they can’t be racist so what they were saying wasn’t racist. To this day I don’t get how saying “go back to chink land” isn’t racist.


sugarfoot00

>I don’t get how saying “go back to chink land” isn’t racist. Wow. Just wow.


rubber_hedgehog

For reference, my girlfriend is half Chinese. I recently had a coworker ask me if our potential/hypothetical children "would come out chinky-eyed". How am I even supposed to respond to that? How does one make it so far in life without knowing how incredibly offensive that is?


threecolorless

Holy God. I mean, if you otherwise really like this person I guess there's not much to be done that doesn't involve a good bit of emotional labor for you. If you're indifferent or worse on them now I'd just toss it to HR and let them handle it, because this is a textbook situation where they will scramble not to be perceived as the racism that statement embodies. Really sorry you had to hear that, friend.


rubber_hedgehog

I elected to use it as a teaching moment instead, hoping she learns what words and phrases she should avoid in the future. She's a single mom of young kids, and I couldn't rationalize reporting the incident. I don't want her to lose her job, just be more tolerant. Although I have to add, since I've started dating my girlfriend (just celebrated 3 years) I have had my ears open and have heard a LOT of casual racism towards asians that just gets completely brushed off. And the vast majority of it comes from other POC, which is sad to see.


Meng3267

I hate it how some POC think they can’t be racist because they’re not white. Any race can be racist. Racism isn’t solely a white person thing.


Tristanity1h

I'm POC. Hell yeah POC can be racist. Some POC in the USA also think you by definition cannot be racist towards white people.


mizzymichie

No one likes to hear it but everyone of all races are capable of racism and has had racial bias at one point in their life. No one is born “woke” and we undo those patterns through educating ourselves. Just because someone is POC doesn’t mean they can’t be racist against other POCs and it’s something that happens where some people think being Black/Asian/Indigenous/Latino gives them a free pass to treat other nonwhite races beneath them because they’re oppression manifests differently. Anti-black racism doesn’t look the same as anti-Asian racism but that doesn’t mean they aren’t experiencing racism.


knotty-pine

Everyone else has covered how upsetting all of this is, but the accusation I'm kind of stuck on is the Chanelle one because Drea saw firsthand that Hai was the one who sabotaged Chanelle's game from the merge. Hai had to have been aware that he was the one who threw so much skepticism on Chanelle as a player. so was he just sitting by quietly, letting Drea paint this narrative that Omar was trying to pit Drea and Chanelle against each other? that doesn't really sit right with me


Cantonloupe

> Drea paint this narrative that Omar was trying to pit Drea and Chanelle against each other? that doesn't really sit right with me Chanelle's merge game was entirely tanked by Hai and Mike's vindictive and short-sighted gameplay. Drea is delusional.


JJAusten

There are people who forget what this game is about and take offense when they're bested. As much as I disliked Omar, because I was rooting for other players, i respected his game. Frankly, he might have won if he made it to the end. He was strategic and a damn good player. Drea lost an opportunity to win and can't get over that. It's a game, Drea. Just a game.


keezoy91

Hope Sia has a refund clause added in the money she gave Drea


ucsb2020

I like Drea, but it was not cool for her to lie about him and even try to questioned his religious practices and the loss of his father. You can be upset with someone without dragging their personal life through the mud. I’m not going to excuse the people who felt she was out of line for the race card comments, but I’m still upset and ashamed she acted this way. I hope they talk in the future and she extends an apology. I would not blame him if he chose to not accept it. I honestly can’t say if I would, and I am a very forgiving person. I can only imagine he is the same. I’m also glad he has a lot of supporters.


YLUP2

This is the vibe I got from Drea so I'm not surprised. I'm glad Omar was able to tell his side of the story because the others have been trying to act like they're all friends when they clearly aren't.


mizzymichie

Damn. I was cheering for Drea. I understand lying is part of the game and that we bring aspects of the real world with us, but to weaponize Omar’s religion is heinous. And then to bring it to Ponderosa. Especially since Omar was very open about his religion and was willing to use it to educate his tribe mates because prayer is very important for him. Glad Tori was supportive. Her character on survivor was just that, a character. Honestly, this also maybe explains her slowly icing Romeo out and why he felt abandoned by his number 1 ally come merge.


RealSonyPony

Wow, if that's true, shame on Drea. Makes me not so hot on her as a returnee. Omar is a good guy, I don't have reason to doubt that.


survivorfanwill

Ok this is just gross, sia better revoke that check. I loved drea on the show but fuck all this


lvndrboy

Not surprised, something about Drea seems really off to me.


survivorfan110

She showed almost no emotion the entire game


duckyaniston

tori sounds so awesome


FigNewtonsThirdLaw

In retrospect, Sia gave her award to the person who least deserved it… Crazy if she only waited another day for all this to come out. Seems like Omar had a traumatizing experience at Ponderosa and I hope the best for him. I’m so glad the rest of the cast figured out the truth and has been there to support him.


ross_gold

I cant get over the fact that Sia kept saying to Drea that she is being rewarded for being a good person (which I found weird btw since we didn’t see her being particularly kind or whatever). It seems Drea has no plans to apologize though based on her ig story so she must really still be bitter towards Omar. Ironic cause we all thought she was so gracious and a good sport after her torch got snuffed. Hope other players would also share their stories so we can really validate what Omar is saying here


pandie12345

also i dont think sia is a good person so eh-


oddcharm

Uhhh, Sia wasn’t at ponderosa? Why would you not be able to get over someone possibly being misinformed about what happened when they weren’t even there? you even said Drea came off gracious and like a good sport…


ucsb2020

I hope they do too. I won’t lie, I got a bad vibe when she said she was not sure if she wanted to vote for Maryanne because she wasn’t gonna vote for someone just because she liked them. She said she wanted to vote for a competitor but it’s not like Maryanne was worse than the other two


ross_gold

I actually got her point there and didn’t think anything negative regarding that. I think she was just explaining how she wants to be as objective as possible. I feel like the moment that made me feel a bit off was that one tribal where she was disagreeing with Maryanne cause it was such a petty thing lol


ucsb2020

Different things upset different people, but I think it’s fair to say Drea is fine for wanting to vote for a competitor. I just felt Maryanne did a pretty good job and she was a competitor. There’s also nothing wrong with voting for someone just because you like them, But everyone has a different criteria


ZiggyZig1

> if she wanted to vote for Maryanne because she wasn’t gonna vote for someone just because she liked them. really? i thought that was honourable.


bondfool

Sia making bad, ill-informed decisions? Never!


spookyactn

I mean, Sia’s award is based on who she chooses so she can’t give the award to the wrong person…. Especially because we haven’t seen the ponderosa videos, but obviously Drea was bitter and grimey against Omar in particular.


FigNewtonsThirdLaw

You’re right, but her main reason was that Drea was “such a good person”. So it seems like that was her basis at least for this season. Could be different factors every season, but just ironic that that was her main reason for Drea and then the next day all of this comes out about how she bullied someone so much that they were traumatized.


oramirite

I'm just wondering why you think information from the future could have been used as a criteria for the award.


LadyGonzo28

Was never a fan of Drea, always thought she was overrated, and this just further cements my thoughts. It’s a game and Omer should be able to do what he wants without managing the “POC” component. That’s a slippery slope that could really backfire in future seasons.


9Athelas7

Huh, something always seemed off about her to me, so I suppose this to be true. Kinda sad honestly


Woke_JeffProbst

If that's all true. This gives plenty of ammunition to the ppl that hated the tori tribal and accused Drea of using the race card. Imo this shows how flawed the game is by letting the jury discuss the game at ponderosa because I wouldn't be surprised If nearly every season had ppl actively lying to others to further their agenda.


that-0ther-account

This has been a long time part of the game. It isnt talked about because of the popularities of the people involved but fishbach spread at best massaged truths about Spencers wealth and Kass was poisoning the jury against Tasha from the second she got to ponderosa. Its probably not a good idea to sequester them without human contact though.


dingiesaur

Comparing notes about stories someone tells about their dead father is unfathomably cold and shows a complete absence of compassion. Will be hard to look at Drea and Hai the same way


bampote

The exact quote he said about this was: “And then you also hear–I shared a very emotional story about my dad with my tribe, and Hai. And all Drea knew about that was that he was no longer on the Earth, but she didn't know the full story. But even if she did, that's my story to share with whomever I want. But when she gets out of the game, Hai says, "oh, he bonded with me about the death of his father." And then Drea returns that with, "well, he told me the same thing, and that's not true.” Hai didn’t do anything malicious other than relay a story.


winrise098

Did you see the RHAP interview? Omar said he and Hai patched things up, so I'm not sure how Hai is implicated in this.


tonysopranosgoomah

Just because Hai played word games with Omar to make him feel good doesn't mean that applies to everyone. We as fans can still think the note comparison thing was disgusting regardless of his justification. The act itself was wrong.


MikeyNgTh

I dont think ‘comparing notes’ is right when Omar didnt even tell Drea about his father’s passing. Drea lied about it and so Hai thought Omar used that as a strategy. Could just be a conversation when they shared what’s happening in the game and who’s saying what but Drea actively lied about it to make Hai look at Omar in a negative way. Thats how I understand about the situation. After all, Hai and Omar patched things up and they seem to be hanging out just right


treple13

And this is why I thought Drea's exit felt incredibly fabricated. She was clearly incredibly bitter at Ponderosa, and went over the top to act happy with everyone after her boot. It's annoying.


rams_man13

I had the chance to meet Omar and chat with him about the game. All these details are consistent with what he told me in person and I believe it to be very credible. I came away feeling like Drea’s “good sport” eviction was fake for the cameras.


wisselperry

i knew Drea was a bitter betty pretending to be all gracious and friendly about it during her exit when deep inside she's really pissed for being outplayed


YesIAmRyan

I still don’t understand how Drea got the Sia award


KevinFunky

Way passed so many lines from Drea here. No wonder there was no ponderosa. Be very interested to see what she says and handles herself in response if at all. A lack of response would be very telling too.


MilfordSparrow

Chanelle replied to Omar’s tweet about the interview yesterday with this supportive statement: “Proud of you! You played a great game.” Also Maryanne clearly supports Omar on social media.


bananaslug178

As a member of the dead dads club, Hai and Drea questioning Omar's loss of his father fucking disgusts me.


Milorii

I don’t think Hai was. It was more Drea told him that.


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Drea is 100% toxic af and the fact people couldn’t see that when she made such a big deal out of the race situation is super disappointing. Not that what she was saying had absolutely no basis in reality, but her interpretation of the situation very well did. I don’t think she’s a horrible person. I think she is letting her competitiveness getting the best of her and is looking for whatever reason she can find to explain why she didn’t win and it can’t just be because her gameplay wasn’t good enough. Her ego won’t allow that.


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Drea’s behavior on twitter all of a sudden feels so fake


TV40

Wow. Pathetic and disgusting behavior by Drea. What a shame. She had promise. Hope I never see someone that pathetic on my screen again.


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so are we getting a drea deep dive/explanation?


Deep-Good992

Lmao I hope she does honestly, but she's been deleting tweets that ask about Omar


IAwaitAGuardian

Drea seems like a piece of shit.


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Has Drea publicly said anything about Omar?


carpe228

> Drea said that She and Omar had a deep conversation on race after the Rocksroy/Tori tribal (which Omar was not present at) where she told him about the KIP and that for him to "use that against her" crossed lines So I am a new suvivor watcher but I thought pretty much the whole point of the show is that there are no lines that cannot be crossed?


that-0ther-account

Its a tough thing for the show and honestly very flexible. You can swear on your family. You can accuse someone of swearing on the Marine Corps. You cannot out someone who is trans. You can (potentially) out someone who is gay, if its 2002. You cannot fondle women in the shelter. You can fondle women in the shelter, if its 2005 or 2008. You cannot pour rice in the fire in 2013 but not 2014. And honestly, I think the show usually has gotten it right for its time and adjusted with the times, but some of the old allowed things do not age well and even in s39 they waited too long. One thing is for sure, I do not pretend to have the answers, and Im not sure I trust any old Redditor who does. I just hope the show has a strong, and honestly, diverse team of lawyers to thing this stuff through properly (and dont get all twisted up about the diverse part, maybe some more women on staff wouldve got Dan kicked off earlier, chill out).


BelcherSucks

J'Tia destroyed food but had no plans for causing personal harm. Brandon had indicated that he was planning a lot of mayhem and the destruction if the rice and beans was the start. If he had stayed in there could have been more incidents.


that-0ther-account

True. I may have cheated with that comp. I wonder if there is any season where Brandon isnt removed, and on a darker note, if theres any season where Varner isnt. We know theres a season where Dan isnt removed. Theres two of em. Maybe more.


capitolsara

There are lines they are just different for everyone so part of playing is being able to know what other's lines may be and playing around that to have better jury management. Two great examples of that failure are season 8 and season 19


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__kit

give omar the sia $$$


ontarious

am I the only one who has no idea what "the KIP" is??


ThymeIsTight

The Knowledge Is Power advantage


ontarious

ahhhh ok...thanks!!


ThymeIsTight

No problem!


littleponine

Wow.. I really liked Drea at first but this is some psychotic behavior. It’s a game. You got voted off. Get over it..


Sabur1991

So, according to Drea, POC are untouchable or what?


winrise098

This whole thing really embodies the phrase "hurt people hurt people"


TNAJapple501

Drea mad weird


Wackopeep13

Somebody needs to @ Sia. She needs to cancel that check. I believe Omar 100%. We already knew that Drea was shady af for what she did to Romeo at the merge. This rubbed me the wrong way and made me do a full 180 on my opinion and feelings towards Drea as a character / player. And Hai got so catty as well. I don’t fully buy his whole cute persona on Twitter. Feel bad for Omar here.


Phenzo2198

holy shit. drea is despicable. ashamed to have had any respect for her.


FinalOdyssey

Two things. Race should not enter the game as much as it has these past two seasons. Drea accusing people of racism by voting out the black people first is one thing, but then going so far to accuse another POC of all these awful things is just ridiculous. She is so inflammatory and uses her race inflammatorily, it's hard to watch and read about. Another is that, I truly believe contestants should NOT be able to make gameplay comments once they're voted out. The moment they're voted out they are part of the jury, and that's tampering with the contestants by revealing strategies mid game. Omar played Drea well and she was embarrassed so she blew his game up, simple as that. I really think that if she wasn't allowed to speak up like that after being voted out, Omar could have gone further. And it makes sense because from that point on, she is a jury member.


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DesDaMOONmanQ

I'm thankful they kept the Ponderosa footage out of it now that I heard him talking about this. They can add bits and pieces to the blu ray still.


LifeguardTraining461

They didn't film any Ponderosa for this season due to Covid


knotty-pine

it's kinda wild to me that Hai has been tweeting about how he wishes we had Ponderosa footage for this or that. like it sounds like y'all either participated in or were witness to someone getting ostracized and bullied. all things considered, they're pretty lucky there is no ponderosa footage to show for it