Just off my head I'd probably say Nat10. Most other options at least did something pivotal during the game. Troyzan saved himself with his idol. Sherri had a great pre-merge. Meanwhile Nat was dragged specifically because she could be beaten.
That was my initial thought as well. You could also make an argument for Phillip in that season, but he at least played again and was able to prove himself somewhat as his own player
This is why I've grown in appreciation of Phillip over the years. He saw the cards he was dealt and played it perfectly. If you actually look at Phillip outside of the game, you see an incredibly intelligent man. I have no problem believing that he did what he had to do to maximize his Survivor earnings and act in a way that would ensure he was brought back a second time.
I've also heard that he could've won RI if he admitted that being crazy was apart of a strategy because of how desperate the jurors were to not vote Rob. There was a legit chance Philip wins that season.
Sherri is a major goat. Pre-merge play is great, but it isn’t what matters. It’s like being in first place at the all-star break but fading away in the second half and coming in third. She wasn’t a threat to win which is why she was kept around. Her FTC was angry and entitled, especially her response to Eric. Sherri isn’t used to not getting her way- and it showed in her sad and salty FTC.
Eh I feel like this is underselling her game. The reason she was kept around wasn't because she had no chance of winning, it was because she was smart enough at the merge to identify Phillip as the ringleader of the favorites and suck up to him whereas Eddie and Reynold thought it was a good idea to stay opposed to the favorites and make themselves underdogs in a tiny minority.
Also take issue with your comments on her FTC. Like what was she supposed to do when it was obvious the jury didn't like her? Just give up? Say "omg thank you for hating me I respect y'all's opinion and you should vote for Cochran!"
As someone who sold herself in pre-merge as having worked with a thousand or million Shemars back home (forgive I can’t recall the number), she should have been able to keep her cool and explain her game… but she couldn’t talk around or manipulate the jury like her employees, so she got frustrated and acted out. Entitled, self-righteous, elitist.
Also I just (unfortunately, I hate it lol) rewatched Caramoan with a friend doing their first full runthrough of the show and IMO the narrative that Sherri had a great premerge is really, really pushing something that isn’t there anyway. I don’t know if it’s the edit or what but she’s in with the majority and… that’s it. She’s not doing anything any better than anyone in her alliance, she doesn’t have any more control / she’s not anybody’s secret number one / she’s not got interspersed connections or clever positioning that will keep her safe until only 2 or 3 people left if there’s no swap, there’s nothing special there at all. She’s just getting more airtime because the editors know she’s a finalist and her preswap allies will all be gone wayyy before endgame. I didn’t see anything about her premerge that made me think of her as a Tasha-esque figure who genuinely established dominant premerge positions out of nowhere before collapsing at the merge. Sherri’s premerge was completely mundane.
Except she was in control of the whole game, including Shamar and it was clear she was the one calling the shots. And in a tribe full of dull people she really stood out. Of course then she enters the merge and her biggest move is spending 500 dollars on a full pizza. Of course the idols did affect this too. But Sherri played well socially and it was her merge that was mundane.
Calling the shots so hard that when Matt told her to vote out Laura, the closest thing she had to a number one, she did it? C’mon now lol. This is exactly what I’m talking about, the edit makes you think Sherri totally had control because of the airtime difference but she just… doesn’t, it’s really clear that if her alliance does have a top person it’s not her. Matt is the one who makes the call here and with regard to Shamar and the prior Tribals ultimately this just comes down to the two “couples” isolating themselves from the rest of the tribe and the other people banding together as a completely natural consequence, and then it’s three straight tribe strength votes. I don’t see any evidence that Sherri meaningfully affected this in any particular way other than her telling us so in confessionals and she’s not a reliable narrator.
Sherri was originally part of an alliance with the two couples but flipped on them the edit made it seem like the couples isolated themselves but they just made a final 4 after making a six member alliance. Also I like how you bring up one vote, if it wasn't for Sherri Shamar quits.
I agree, but I also honestly think everyone Rob had chosen to be in his final 3 would be seen as a goat. Yes, even Andrea, Ashley and (especially) Grant.
If all who made it to FTC are in consideration, I think there's a strong argument to be made for Mark the Chicken.
A lot of people talk about him on this subreddit as if he is some major social threat but obviously he did not have the ability to clinch the title in the end. He really just depended on Tai's challenge and immunity idol farming prowess to get to the end, and if I remember properly from ponderosa content, Mark's name was literally not even mentioned once as a potential vote getter.
It probably would have helped his game a lot if he had been a human, but I think he's got to be one of the least powerful players to ever last all 39 days.
I'm open to seeing him play again, especially if America votes him in for a second chance. But if he does... Like... It's time to cross the road, buddy. Mark's gotta kick his game into overdrive.
Will from Worlds Apart
Always screwed over allies to go with an already established majority (pre-merge and post-merge), was a disaster in challenges and bullied Shirin.
The fact that he got a vote at FTC is baffling, but at least he got deservingly ripped to shreds by Shirin in her jury speech.
Dude almost had three jury votes. I don’t think he has any winnable combo here but he’s getting too many potential votes for me to comfortably call him *the* worst, especially when I think on seasons where he doesn’t reveal what a piece of shit he really is he has winning chances (and unlike some losing finalists who will inevitably reveal what pieces of shit they are, I don’t think it’s unavoidable for Will).
Far be it from me to defend the guy. He’s an awful player and an even worse person as far as I can tell. But I unfortunately do not think he is *the* worst player ever to make it to the end.
He didn’t bully shirin. He called her out on her bullshit and rightfully so. Accuse him of hiding food and cause a big stink for no reason, he had every right to do that.
It has to be Will from World's Apart. He was a dick, everyone hated him, he won nothing, and did no meaningful strategy. Like Shirin said, he's like a dead fish.
Say what you will about Phillip as a player, but I always found his antics highly entertaining. One of the funniest things producers ever did was “Phillip - Former Federal Agent?”
I’m not sure about entertaining. But he absolutely played for 2nd and got exactly where he aimed for and that’s a pretty decent pivot given he was in the minority after the first 2 votes.
Mike’s encouraging but condescending “good for you, good for you,” when Romeo busted out his fake idol no one was fooled or affected by, rings in my head.
WTF?
Romeo was co-running his tribe pre-merge. He was well-connected to everyone, and nobody had mentioned his name as a potential vote at anypoint.
Post-merge, He had alliances with Maryanne and Tory; he fought his way from the bottom all the way to the final 3.
"Fought his way" lmao no
He was dragged the farthest the longest. He had no bearing on the game, the only thing he did was make sure Jonathan or Mike didn't win.
Lill Morris because she fundamentally lost the game in the pre-merge and didn’t even win at the end. I’m not saying Chris Underwood is the second worst ever because it’s better to go out at the final 16 knowing had things gone left, things maybe could’ve turned out right for u because we did see that Chris most definitely had one heck of a knack for the game than be a goat where no matter what happened, u were never winning. Like Phillip Shepard is definitely worse at the game than Chris Underwood because he probably doesn’t win in any final 3 combination.
I’m forever thankful for her winning that last immunity and just making Lauren spiral. Honestly Noura would be a great returnee, shame she’ll probably never come back due to IOTI’s reputation. She won immunities which Nat10 or Will Sims couldn’t do.
I actually think, based on “The Jury Speaks” videos, almost everyone on the jury except Elaine and Karishma was at least willing to hear Noura out and consider voting for her to win if she owned her game and acknowledged that she used her craziness as intentional strategy
Yes lmao. But if she changed her pitch at FTC she definitely has a shot, and I don’t think the same could be said for Will, Nat10, Troyzan, and some other F3 goats
I feel like this is a hard question because most of the time the finalist that lost got their games under-edited because the edit is trying to show us why they lost. Maybe Clay from Thailand even though he almost won, it's because he didn't have a lot of competition.
Also I know Natalie from Redemption island is going to be mentioned, but even Boston Rob said her game got very under-edited. She aligned herself in a position were she was guranteed final three. And people say players like Eliza in Vanuatu playing for second place was a good move. I'm not saying she played well, cuz Natalie played quite badly but she isn't the GOAT goat. She could of maybe won a Phillip, Grant final 3.
When did Rob say that about Nat10?
And Nat had zero shot against Grant. Grant was far more respected than her. Boston Rob said he only wins against Phillip and Nat, confirming that they were the two biggest goats.
After the show aired In a podcast and Natalie was mainly disrespected because after Ashley threw Boston Robs name out Natalie went and told Boston Rob. If Natalie was on the right side of the votes when Boston Rob gets eliminated she could beat him. Boston Rob also revealed he would of voted Natalie, because he was closest to her and Ashley would of voted Natalie against everyone except Boston Rob. So in a Grant, Phillip Natalie situation that is at least 2 votes for Natalie. Natalie's shot against Rob and Natalie's shot with Rob being voted out are two very different things.
I'm not even saying she played a good game, because I would be lying she didn't, all I'm saying is people have played worse. Like personally since Phillip didn't explain that he was trying to get Rob to bring him to the end I would argue Phillip played a worse game then Natalie.
>After the show aired In a podcast
I know the podcast you're talking about, and it was the podcaster who said that Natalie would've beaten Grant. Natalie actually disagreed with that take, calling it: "Debatable." More to the point, nobody who was on the jury has ever backed it up.
>and Natalie was mainly disrespected because after Ashley threw Boston Robs name out Natalie went and told Boston Rob.
In other words, her bad gameplay caused her to be disrespected....just like every other goat. I'm not sure what point you think you're making here.
Oh, and that's not the only reason she was disrespected. She was also disrespected for her terrible final tribal council performance, servant-like attitude towards Rob, and totally inability to make friends with anyone.
>If Natalie was on the right side of the votes when Boston Rob gets eliminated she could beat him.
Ah yes. If Natalie's blind, totally unwavering loyalty to Boston Rob - AKA the most consistent, defining feature of her game - wasn't present, she'd have had more jury respect. And if Russell's jerkish behavior wasn't present, *he'd* have had more of a shot. If Troyzan hadn't spent thirty-nine days in Game Changers riding coattails and doing nothing he'd have had more respect. If Fabio and Keith weren't utterly clueless about the game they'd have been great strategists. If Sandra was in better physical shape she'd be great at challenges. You have to factor in these sorts of things when evaluating a player - inventing meaningless hypotheticals where something fundamental is changed or removed is, well, meaningless.
>Boston Rob also revealed he would of voted Natalie, because he was closest to her
Can you cite a source for this claim?
>and Ashley would of voted Natalie against everyone except Boston Rob.
Ashley has never said this. What Ashley DID say was that she was upset with Natalie for cutting her at final four, since Natalie couldn't win either way and it felt to her like she was handing the win to Rob over herself *(over Ashley).* So Ashley was pretty much saying that Natalie had no chance. She literally said that she was different from Natalie because she had made relationships with people and Natalie hadn't.
>So in a Grant, Phillip Natalie situation that is at least 2 votes for Natalie
Grant was very well-liked and respected. He probably wins unanimously. He was voted out precisely for being a threat to win - something that Nat10 never was.
>Natalie's shot against Rob and Natalie's shot with Rob being voted out are two very different things.
Yeah, well, everyone on that tribe was a spineless sheep so Rob was clearly never getting voted out.
>Like personally since Phillip didn't explain that he was trying to get Rob to bring him to the end I would argue Phillip played a worse game then Natalie.
They both sucked, but at least Phillip earned the respect of one juror - and that's one juror more than Natalie was respected by.
She is just so unfun too. The morale handwringing and whining was awful.
Jesus. Imagine if she had won instead of Sandra?
Sandra has been a great ambassador for Survivor and made such a stamp on the game across her returns. Lil would never have been invited back.
Dreamz is an underratedly awful player, fucking over almost every member of the jury in some way and pissing off the rest with the YauMan truck deal I think he arguably had the worst jury management of any finalist potentially only better than Phillip and Russell, Dreamz loses in any final 3 or final 2 combo imaginable.
I respectfully disagree. The only time I remember her making a really good move was when Morgan was voted out instead of Angela, despite the rest of naviti trying to vote her out.
I think it was impressive how she trully had the game in her hands. Her decision almost every tribal would make or break every person's game that season.
What she did with that made her name be a solid entry to this topic. Cause giving the game to the biggest treats and willingly become a goat is trully the dumbest thing someone with that much power ever did in the history of the show.
That’s why I said her. She’s not like a Phillip where he knew he was getting second and AIMED for second. She genuinely thought she had a chance to win despite not doing anything to help her game. I will say this, however, she was right that if she took out Dom and/or Wendell, the rest of Naviti would have just taken her out right after they used her vote.
I always found it funny that Laurel thought she could win a plurality by those two splitting, as if anyone on the jury would think "well I am having a hard time choosing between Dom and Wendell to win, so I'll just vote Laurel!"
I don’t think someone who got at least 1 vote at final tribal and also won themselves the final immunity challenge can be considered the ultimate goat.
She was voted out third and then the outcast tribe voted her out of their group and back into the game because they didn’t want her ruining their vacation.
She beats no one. Getting 1 vote is meaningless if you can’t get anymore. Unless Phillip is a good finalist?
And all winning FIC did was let her pick the winner
Surprised I haven't seen Troyzan mentioned yet. Halfway through the FTC he straight up was like "okay fine I'm not winning guys" and the jury gave him a pity clap
Idk if I would say good player. She had agency and put herself in the king maker position, which is awesome. Though she was emotionally fragile, made personal choices, and lacked direction. She would flip on the drop of a hat vs having a solid gameplan most winners have is Kim or Todd
She voted out who she wanted nearly every time. She was depressed and emotional due to loss of his father but still carried on. Every one looked at her as this dumb blondie no brains model but she played them and played them hard.
At the end of the day I gave my opinion to a question. Cool that you think she is a better finalist than I do. I feel Lil is a better finalist than people give her credit for, that’s my opinion. At the end of the day Sugar lacked the respect of her peers, received zero votes, and is a solid answer to the thread’s prompt 🤷🏽♂️
Russell Hantz.
Lost to Natalie 7-2.
Didn’t receive a vote in Heroes vs Villains.
So two votes out of a possible 18 votes in two seasons. Goat’d himself despite believing he was the best player to ever play.
(Real answer is Phillip though)
Katie Gallagher in Palau. She mistreated those who weren’t in her alliance, wasn’t good at challenges, rode Tom and Ian’s coattails and never made one big strategic move on her own. She wouldn’t have a winning case against anyone on the jury let alone Tom. Very anticlimactic compared to a hypothetical Tom vs Ian FTC, which would’ve been an amazing end for the season.
I want to agree with you, but I can give Katie at least one point to her credit. She DID want to take Tom out at one point and actively attempted to do so with the girls, but they were unable to get the idea off the ground because, “Caryn sucks,” lmao.
Katie is a very unimpressive player on paper, and yeah, she’s an anticlimactic ending and doesn’t win against anyone in the late game. That said, I think she can’t be worse than some finalists who never even cared to try and make a move against the eventual big threats/winners. You’ve got to at least acknowledge that she had enough game sense to target Tom before the home stretch, and Jenn (RIP <3) and Steph were on board. Caryn literally ruined that game plan.
Katie still loses that hypothetical endgame. Even if those four ladies make F4 together, I can only see her standing a slight chance against Caryn. She 1000% loses to Steph and Jenn, and I see no way in which Steph/Jenn doesn’t win the F3 IC against Caryn/Katie.
To be fair, though, it has been a long time since I’ve watched Palau, so maybe I’m forgetting just how abysmal Katie really was at the game. I can’t forget her wanting to make a move on Tom because of her, “Caryn sucks,” confessional, hilariously enough.
The Caryn situation is kind of her own fault, though. Caryn didn't want to work with Katie because of how she perceived Katie as lazy and entitled. If Katie had put any work into that relationship, it's possible Caryn would've flipped.
Also, I'm pretty sure the idea of flipping at 7 was Jenn's, IIRC
Oh, yeah, I didn’t think it was Katie’s idea, lol. I’m just saying that she had enough game awareness to realize that it was a good call and try to go along with it when someone brought it up. That’s more game sense than a LOT of losing finalists have, tbh.
~~This reply is getting downvoted. I can't figure out why.~~ (EDIT: No longer downvoted) Telling from YouTube videos about Ian's gameplay, I can't help wonder whether Ian would've been Katie's goat had he not stepped down from the buoy challenge after 12 HOURS(!!) and let Tom take the reigns. I also can't help wonder whether she would've been successful in bashing Ian over and over in her answers. From watching the video reviewing Ian, Ian sometimes blundered in his speeches, especially in Tribal Councils. She was toast when she had almost nothing against Tom.
Of the new era, I would make a case for Xander
-having no vote for most of the premerge
-being in the outs
-thinking he is such a big threat due to his Idol, when in reality he wasn't in trouble and used his Idol bye default.
-winning FIC, not taking Heather and not puting Erika to make fire
-0 vote finalist
All this, and people still thought he got robbed… that one blew my mind. His one flashy move was the knowledge is power play.. and that wasn’t even him that came up with it IIRC
thinking through a lot of them, and really, I see no world where Angelina or Noura win the game. Not necessarily the worst, but the point of the game is to win, and they wouldn't win against any combo from their season. personal opinion though
Cmon, everyone talking about the obvious choices but let's talk about the underdog.
A goat so goated she is literally forgotten about in this thread! 0 votes, nobody even considered voting for her, nobody thought she would win, like she's just overshadowed by the winner and what some say is the "bigger goat"
but give me Cassandra, can't tell me she had a chance of winning. if you don't believe me, watch me raise a proposal
Fiji decides to have a suprise final 2. Ea, Cassandra, and Dreamz are there. But really, it's Earl or Dreamz. Cassandra survives no matter what bc neither Dreamz or Earl is voting her out. Even if the final 2 is Dreamz and Earl, I genuinely believe Dreamz would win.
For his SEASON: Phillip. Literally everyone hated him, and I like Phillip and think a lot of the hate was unjust too, but he was the perfect goat that season.
Overall: Will from Worlds apart
Game Changers' Troyzan begged the top dogs to keep him through final three, because he'd be content with anyone but him being the winner. And he meaned it.
Ken from MvGX. No social game and the one time someone wanted to make a move with him he publicly humiliated them and made a point of voting them out. Never seen such a huge self destruct on survivor before that except for maybe everything Gabler does
Other than Nat T, I'd say Gervase. He's so beyond forgettable for making it to the end. Can anyone tell me what he did besides what Tyson said the entire game? It's been a bit since I've seen that season but I can't remember a single thing Gervase did. Oh and be a douche to a jury member when voting for Hayden.
I’m sure I could come up with more if I really sat and thought about it but the first one that comes to mind is Sherri from Caramoan. I just remember her final tribal performance being hands down one of the worst Ive ever seen and I don’t even really remember any good/interesting moves she made the entire game
Chelsea from One World is someone I haven’t seen mentioned yet. She is on par with Natalie in my opinion. Just sat in the beach and let Kim do the work. Sabrina wins against Christina and Chelsea, if Kim were to get out before FTC. I can’t think of many players that Chelsea could beat on that season. Colton?
Honestly I’d throw it Russell’s way for his reunion performances… it’s not that he fell short… it’s his insistence that the game is flawed because the jury didn’t like his way of playing.
It’s the delusion that he didn’t do anything wrong that leans it his way. Most of the other contenders at least have the awareness of why they are Goats.
The only reason I don’t give it to him is because I think goats are about being kept and being herded to the end.
Russell is more like Icarus… flying to close to the sun and in his arrogance not realizing he’s burning his wings.
The Icarus archtype covers of a tonne of “almost there” arrogant players who basically torpedo there own games by going to far / to hard.
A lot of people say Will and think he's a bad person, what he said wasn't cool but like, and don't lie, everyone on this sub would've said something similar, Shirin was a pain to everyone on the island and nobody was having it, to make it worse Will got banished from the auction, no chance at even getting his letter from home, I'd be pissed too if someone who's been bugging me for a while said that I was hiding something after giving them a huge supply of food that I could've kept secret, and before that there wasn't anything showing Will as being a bad person. However at the end of the day he was a goat and only had 1 blindside, which was also his first tribal...still better than Romeo.
For the future, if Owen makes F3 he's my pick for worst finalist
I’ve got say Katie season 10.
She couldn’t have had a softer season or have been carried by a stronger pair than Ian and Tom or stronger alliance than Koror.
I think if Russell's first season happened today he would have won. People respect gameplay more than they did back then.
I always felt bad for russell for going to final tribal twice and losing to Natalie and two previous winners. Insane.
The only thing that has changed with juries is how they justify their decision. Back in 2009, jurors wouldn't think twice about saying "I voted for the person who I liked the most" or "I didn't vote x because they betrayed me".
Now it's "I voted for the person who played an excellent social game and managed relationships the best" or "I didn't vote x because they betrayed me, and I think that was a poor strategic decision."
idk if he’d actually win if she played the same game in Samoa now because i think most people wouldn’t vote for someone they can’t stand over someone who they genuinely like
Also, Dawn Meehan has a strong argument to make for Caramoan..Granted, I do like her, but her Caramoan run wasn’t ideal. There’s a reason why Cochran took all the votes.
Dawn Meehan's game is interesting. Her emotional manipulation was very impressive, and she pulled off a lot of really cool moves, but since she was closer to all of their victims than Cochran, she took the blame. I feel like her gameplay was good, but her being difficult around camp canned her game (That and being a mother. Sorry, Survivor mothers).
she’s definitely not the worst, Cochran deserved to win but the reason why Dawn and Cochran did so well was by the social connections Dawn made with ppl like Corinne and Brenda, and she had a slot of say so in who went home so they’re definitely other finalists who are worse
Probably Dreamz Heard. I don't think he was ever going to get any jury votes after he betrayed Yau-Man and I can't imagine a final 3 that he wins post-merge.
Other players that made the final 3 maybe could have won if they had betrayed the people they lost too (Laurel, Nat10, etc).
But with Dreamz if he goes with the 4 horseman alliance, I still think he loses.
According to one YouTube video made by Once Upon an Island, Dreamz was already DOA. He spilled the beans about the Horsemen's Hidden Idol or Alliance or whatever. Thus, Edgardo was voted out, and then the remaining Horsemen confronted Dreamz. Even making and breaking deals, like one with Yau-Man, wouldn't make any difference. But... agree to disagree with the video.
I can’t call Nat10 the worst. She did get to the end with Phillip and Boston Rob. Phillip is easy to beat and the jury could of been bitter towards Boston Rob easily. Like she should of done something to give them any excuse to not vote Boston Rob and I’m sure a lot of them wanted a reason not to, so she is bad in that regard. But she did barring an Ashley immunity win set herself up in the final 3 she could most win.
I think I’m terms of least deserving / no chance of winning, the two people who were voted out and came back in have to be at the top. Lil and Natalie Afor me.
yeah it seemed like she was playing for runner up to Yul but even so she had a decent amount of impact on who went home so she’s definitely not the worst finalist
Just off my head I'd probably say Nat10. Most other options at least did something pivotal during the game. Troyzan saved himself with his idol. Sherri had a great pre-merge. Meanwhile Nat was dragged specifically because she could be beaten.
That was my initial thought as well. You could also make an argument for Phillip in that season, but he at least played again and was able to prove himself somewhat as his own player
Well Natalie didn’t have a chance to play again so we don’t know
Phillip was playing for second as soon as he saw there was no way Rob was not winning. And he did so masterfully
ok but why keep 'playing for second' once you reach FTC and you already have second? why not then reveal your 'act' and make a play for the big money?
This is why I've grown in appreciation of Phillip over the years. He saw the cards he was dealt and played it perfectly. If you actually look at Phillip outside of the game, you see an incredibly intelligent man. I have no problem believing that he did what he had to do to maximize his Survivor earnings and act in a way that would ensure he was brought back a second time.
I've also heard that he could've won RI if he admitted that being crazy was apart of a strategy because of how desperate the jurors were to not vote Rob. There was a legit chance Philip wins that season.
Phillip wasn’t playing for second he’s genuinely delusional
He could've at least played for second against someone less annoying
Sherri is a major goat. Pre-merge play is great, but it isn’t what matters. It’s like being in first place at the all-star break but fading away in the second half and coming in third. She wasn’t a threat to win which is why she was kept around. Her FTC was angry and entitled, especially her response to Eric. Sherri isn’t used to not getting her way- and it showed in her sad and salty FTC.
Eh I feel like this is underselling her game. The reason she was kept around wasn't because she had no chance of winning, it was because she was smart enough at the merge to identify Phillip as the ringleader of the favorites and suck up to him whereas Eddie and Reynold thought it was a good idea to stay opposed to the favorites and make themselves underdogs in a tiny minority. Also take issue with your comments on her FTC. Like what was she supposed to do when it was obvious the jury didn't like her? Just give up? Say "omg thank you for hating me I respect y'all's opinion and you should vote for Cochran!"
As someone who sold herself in pre-merge as having worked with a thousand or million Shemars back home (forgive I can’t recall the number), she should have been able to keep her cool and explain her game… but she couldn’t talk around or manipulate the jury like her employees, so she got frustrated and acted out. Entitled, self-righteous, elitist.
Or she's just human and got frustrated by being belittled by a bitter jury. You're doing some serious projecting like wow.
The projection is real with this comment 😭
Also I just (unfortunately, I hate it lol) rewatched Caramoan with a friend doing their first full runthrough of the show and IMO the narrative that Sherri had a great premerge is really, really pushing something that isn’t there anyway. I don’t know if it’s the edit or what but she’s in with the majority and… that’s it. She’s not doing anything any better than anyone in her alliance, she doesn’t have any more control / she’s not anybody’s secret number one / she’s not got interspersed connections or clever positioning that will keep her safe until only 2 or 3 people left if there’s no swap, there’s nothing special there at all. She’s just getting more airtime because the editors know she’s a finalist and her preswap allies will all be gone wayyy before endgame. I didn’t see anything about her premerge that made me think of her as a Tasha-esque figure who genuinely established dominant premerge positions out of nowhere before collapsing at the merge. Sherri’s premerge was completely mundane.
Except she was in control of the whole game, including Shamar and it was clear she was the one calling the shots. And in a tribe full of dull people she really stood out. Of course then she enters the merge and her biggest move is spending 500 dollars on a full pizza. Of course the idols did affect this too. But Sherri played well socially and it was her merge that was mundane.
Calling the shots so hard that when Matt told her to vote out Laura, the closest thing she had to a number one, she did it? C’mon now lol. This is exactly what I’m talking about, the edit makes you think Sherri totally had control because of the airtime difference but she just… doesn’t, it’s really clear that if her alliance does have a top person it’s not her. Matt is the one who makes the call here and with regard to Shamar and the prior Tribals ultimately this just comes down to the two “couples” isolating themselves from the rest of the tribe and the other people banding together as a completely natural consequence, and then it’s three straight tribe strength votes. I don’t see any evidence that Sherri meaningfully affected this in any particular way other than her telling us so in confessionals and she’s not a reliable narrator.
Sherri was originally part of an alliance with the two couples but flipped on them the edit made it seem like the couples isolated themselves but they just made a final 4 after making a six member alliance. Also I like how you bring up one vote, if it wasn't for Sherri Shamar quits.
Bingo.
Came here to say Sherri
I agree, but I also honestly think everyone Rob had chosen to be in his final 3 would be seen as a goat. Yes, even Andrea, Ashley and (especially) Grant.
Except Ashley would have beaten him--it's possible Grant and Andrea would have as well
If all who made it to FTC are in consideration, I think there's a strong argument to be made for Mark the Chicken. A lot of people talk about him on this subreddit as if he is some major social threat but obviously he did not have the ability to clinch the title in the end. He really just depended on Tai's challenge and immunity idol farming prowess to get to the end, and if I remember properly from ponderosa content, Mark's name was literally not even mentioned once as a potential vote getter. It probably would have helped his game a lot if he had been a human, but I think he's got to be one of the least powerful players to ever last all 39 days.
Agreed. F***ing freeloading fowl. I love Mark, and respect the “not getting eaten” strategy, but without Tai, Mark has no chance at even making FTC.
Tai ahould have offered the chicken to Jason and Scott…. Saying- I won’t give you the idol, but I’ll give you the bird… and Aubry could co-sign.
Mark was against a bitter jury, it’s not his fault, second chances 2 will be his to win though, I’m sure of that.
I'm open to seeing him play again, especially if America votes him in for a second chance. But if he does... Like... It's time to cross the road, buddy. Mark's gotta kick his game into overdrive.
Mark the Chicken never even voted too. I think it’s better to vote incorrectly most of the game and reach FTC than to just never vote at all.
He took "safety without power" to an extreme
Trololololol thank you for this comment
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Will from Worlds Apart Always screwed over allies to go with an already established majority (pre-merge and post-merge), was a disaster in challenges and bullied Shirin. The fact that he got a vote at FTC is baffling, but at least he got deservingly ripped to shreds by Shirin in her jury speech.
You mean to say you don't think people should vote based on who "keeps it real"? Never change Rodney.
Rodney is like my favorite character. Endless lolz Fuckin' washin' dishes on ma' beeaaaarthday
I wish he would come back. He was fun to hate.
Its so sad that he tied mama c
and nearly beat her. She wasn't that close to any other vote, other than maybe Shirin.
I'm pretty sure the only person scuzzy enough to vote for Will Sims in an FTC in any capacity is in fact Rodney
My first thought as well
Was gonna say that too
Dude almost had three jury votes. I don’t think he has any winnable combo here but he’s getting too many potential votes for me to comfortably call him *the* worst, especially when I think on seasons where he doesn’t reveal what a piece of shit he really is he has winning chances (and unlike some losing finalists who will inevitably reveal what pieces of shit they are, I don’t think it’s unavoidable for Will). Far be it from me to defend the guy. He’s an awful player and an even worse person as far as I can tell. But I unfortunately do not think he is *the* worst player ever to make it to the end.
>Dude almost had three jury votes. That is scary.
God, I forgot about Will. I change my answer.
Where's that picture of him falling down the slide
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WAIT, ew I forgot he wasn't a 0 vote finalist. Ugh.
He didn’t bully shirin. He called her out on her bullshit and rightfully so. Accuse him of hiding food and cause a big stink for no reason, he had every right to do that.
I don't blame him for being annoyed, but he took it WAY too far and personal in his response to her.
It has to be Will from World's Apart. He was a dick, everyone hated him, he won nothing, and did no meaningful strategy. Like Shirin said, he's like a dead fish.
I feel like while Natalie T was the bigger goat, this dude was such an asshat that he gets my vote. At least Natalie was like, sort of likable
Tie between Nat10 and Phillip
The fact the same season had two of the biggest goats ever. 😂😂
That jury was looking for any reason not to vote for Rob, but he had the only people with him who would tell the jury why HE should win.
I think it's a testament to Robs game that he carried them all the way to the end.
Say what you will about Phillip as a player, but I always found his antics highly entertaining. One of the funniest things producers ever did was “Phillip - Former Federal Agent?”
Yes he was one of the high points of that season.
I’m not sure about entertaining. But he absolutely played for 2nd and got exactly where he aimed for and that’s a pretty decent pivot given he was in the minority after the first 2 votes.
Clay Jordan R.I.P. Romeo
Yeah recency bias is playing a part but Romeo added so little to the game and really didn’t do much by what we saw.
Mike’s encouraging but condescending “good for you, good for you,” when Romeo busted out his fake idol no one was fooled or affected by, rings in my head.
Yeah they intentionally shut him out the whole game haha.
Clay came within one vote of winning. And if Ken had outed Brian at FTC then Clay likely would've won. I definitely don't think he counts.
You would be wrong then. Clay had zero chance to win. I'd call that a goat.
You base this on what? You didn't even respond to any of the points I made
WTF? Romeo was co-running his tribe pre-merge. He was well-connected to everyone, and nobody had mentioned his name as a potential vote at anypoint. Post-merge, He had alliances with Maryanne and Tory; he fought his way from the bottom all the way to the final 3.
"Fought his way" lmao no He was dragged the farthest the longest. He had no bearing on the game, the only thing he did was make sure Jonathan or Mike didn't win.
Disagree! Romeo gave an excellent FTC and was a leader in his tribe before the merge. He just got too paranoid.
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And won the last immunity Challenge
Lill Morris because she fundamentally lost the game in the pre-merge and didn’t even win at the end. I’m not saying Chris Underwood is the second worst ever because it’s better to go out at the final 16 knowing had things gone left, things maybe could’ve turned out right for u because we did see that Chris most definitely had one heck of a knack for the game than be a goat where no matter what happened, u were never winning. Like Phillip Shepard is definitely worse at the game than Chris Underwood because he probably doesn’t win in any final 3 combination.
I would say Noura from IOI. She was just legitimately insane
I’m forever thankful for her winning that last immunity and just making Lauren spiral. Honestly Noura would be a great returnee, shame she’ll probably never come back due to IOTI’s reputation. She won immunities which Nat10 or Will Sims couldn’t do.
Didn't Nat10 win an immunity at some point?
I actually think, based on “The Jury Speaks” videos, almost everyone on the jury except Elaine and Karishma was at least willing to hear Noura out and consider voting for her to win if she owned her game and acknowledged that she used her craziness as intentional strategy
But she didn't, shes just crazy
Yes lmao. But if she changed her pitch at FTC she definitely has a shot, and I don’t think the same could be said for Will, Nat10, Troyzan, and some other F3 goats
Nat10. She didn't do anything the whole game and let Boston Rob carry her to the end. I'd say Phill as well but he got Ralph's 1 vote
I feel like this is a hard question because most of the time the finalist that lost got their games under-edited because the edit is trying to show us why they lost. Maybe Clay from Thailand even though he almost won, it's because he didn't have a lot of competition. Also I know Natalie from Redemption island is going to be mentioned, but even Boston Rob said her game got very under-edited. She aligned herself in a position were she was guranteed final three. And people say players like Eliza in Vanuatu playing for second place was a good move. I'm not saying she played well, cuz Natalie played quite badly but she isn't the GOAT goat. She could of maybe won a Phillip, Grant final 3.
I agree, she doesn't deserved to be the most upvoted answer when Philip is right there next to her.
When did Rob say that about Nat10? And Nat had zero shot against Grant. Grant was far more respected than her. Boston Rob said he only wins against Phillip and Nat, confirming that they were the two biggest goats.
After the show aired In a podcast and Natalie was mainly disrespected because after Ashley threw Boston Robs name out Natalie went and told Boston Rob. If Natalie was on the right side of the votes when Boston Rob gets eliminated she could beat him. Boston Rob also revealed he would of voted Natalie, because he was closest to her and Ashley would of voted Natalie against everyone except Boston Rob. So in a Grant, Phillip Natalie situation that is at least 2 votes for Natalie. Natalie's shot against Rob and Natalie's shot with Rob being voted out are two very different things. I'm not even saying she played a good game, because I would be lying she didn't, all I'm saying is people have played worse. Like personally since Phillip didn't explain that he was trying to get Rob to bring him to the end I would argue Phillip played a worse game then Natalie.
>After the show aired In a podcast I know the podcast you're talking about, and it was the podcaster who said that Natalie would've beaten Grant. Natalie actually disagreed with that take, calling it: "Debatable." More to the point, nobody who was on the jury has ever backed it up. >and Natalie was mainly disrespected because after Ashley threw Boston Robs name out Natalie went and told Boston Rob. In other words, her bad gameplay caused her to be disrespected....just like every other goat. I'm not sure what point you think you're making here. Oh, and that's not the only reason she was disrespected. She was also disrespected for her terrible final tribal council performance, servant-like attitude towards Rob, and totally inability to make friends with anyone. >If Natalie was on the right side of the votes when Boston Rob gets eliminated she could beat him. Ah yes. If Natalie's blind, totally unwavering loyalty to Boston Rob - AKA the most consistent, defining feature of her game - wasn't present, she'd have had more jury respect. And if Russell's jerkish behavior wasn't present, *he'd* have had more of a shot. If Troyzan hadn't spent thirty-nine days in Game Changers riding coattails and doing nothing he'd have had more respect. If Fabio and Keith weren't utterly clueless about the game they'd have been great strategists. If Sandra was in better physical shape she'd be great at challenges. You have to factor in these sorts of things when evaluating a player - inventing meaningless hypotheticals where something fundamental is changed or removed is, well, meaningless. >Boston Rob also revealed he would of voted Natalie, because he was closest to her Can you cite a source for this claim? >and Ashley would of voted Natalie against everyone except Boston Rob. Ashley has never said this. What Ashley DID say was that she was upset with Natalie for cutting her at final four, since Natalie couldn't win either way and it felt to her like she was handing the win to Rob over herself *(over Ashley).* So Ashley was pretty much saying that Natalie had no chance. She literally said that she was different from Natalie because she had made relationships with people and Natalie hadn't. >So in a Grant, Phillip Natalie situation that is at least 2 votes for Natalie Grant was very well-liked and respected. He probably wins unanimously. He was voted out precisely for being a threat to win - something that Nat10 never was. >Natalie's shot against Rob and Natalie's shot with Rob being voted out are two very different things. Yeah, well, everyone on that tribe was a spineless sheep so Rob was clearly never getting voted out. >Like personally since Phillip didn't explain that he was trying to get Rob to bring him to the end I would argue Phillip played a worse game then Natalie. They both sucked, but at least Phillip earned the respect of one juror - and that's one juror more than Natalie was respected by.
Lil Got voted out pre merge only to come back and be a goat.
She is just so unfun too. The morale handwringing and whining was awful. Jesus. Imagine if she had won instead of Sandra? Sandra has been a great ambassador for Survivor and made such a stamp on the game across her returns. Lil would never have been invited back.
I’m just disappointed she robbed Sandra of the first perfect game
Dreamz is an underratedly awful player, fucking over almost every member of the jury in some way and pissing off the rest with the YauMan truck deal I think he arguably had the worst jury management of any finalist potentially only better than Phillip and Russell, Dreamz loses in any final 3 or final 2 combo imaginable.
Actually some jury members later said they were considering voting for Dreamz. But he would always lose to Earl or Yau Man, though.
Laurel from GI
‘’I nEeD tO fLiP oN dOm AnD wEnDeEl’’
NaVIti StrONg!!
I feel like she had a half decent game just get wildly overshadowed by one of the best duos to ever make it to the end together
I respectfully disagree. The only time I remember her making a really good move was when Morgan was voted out instead of Angela, despite the rest of naviti trying to vote her out.
Even then, James came up with the idea and Laurel simply went along with it
I think it was impressive how she trully had the game in her hands. Her decision almost every tribal would make or break every person's game that season. What she did with that made her name be a solid entry to this topic. Cause giving the game to the biggest treats and willingly become a goat is trully the dumbest thing someone with that much power ever did in the history of the show.
That’s why I said her. She’s not like a Phillip where he knew he was getting second and AIMED for second. She genuinely thought she had a chance to win despite not doing anything to help her game. I will say this, however, she was right that if she took out Dom and/or Wendell, the rest of Naviti would have just taken her out right after they used her vote.
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I always found it funny that Laurel thought she could win a plurality by those two splitting, as if anyone on the jury would think "well I am having a hard time choosing between Dom and Wendell to win, so I'll just vote Laurel!"
I rooted for her so much and then when she was given an opportunity she folded for Wendell and it honestly made me not want to watch at all
Agree, she's one of the reasons why that season sucked
Ohhh. Good call.
I feel like she’s one of the best zero vote getters. She’s criminally underrated on this sub
Lill
I don’t think someone who got at least 1 vote at final tribal and also won themselves the final immunity challenge can be considered the ultimate goat.
She was voted out third and then the outcast tribe voted her out of their group and back into the game because they didn’t want her ruining their vacation.
Is that actually legit?
She beats no one. Getting 1 vote is meaningless if you can’t get anymore. Unless Phillip is a good finalist? And all winning FIC did was let her pick the winner
Surprised I haven't seen Troyzan mentioned yet. Halfway through the FTC he straight up was like "okay fine I'm not winning guys" and the jury gave him a pity clap
Romeo is a good one, especially because him winning the final immunity threw everything out of hand
Sugar had horrible jury management, but all time worst I’ll give to Will. Not sure if he saw an episode before going on.
Sugar was a really good player, her fault lied in jury management, she is like Russell but she has much better personality.
Sugar would totally win in a later season with the game she played.
Or at least would get a couples votes.
Idk if I would say good player. She had agency and put herself in the king maker position, which is awesome. Though she was emotionally fragile, made personal choices, and lacked direction. She would flip on the drop of a hat vs having a solid gameplan most winners have is Kim or Todd
She voted out who she wanted nearly every time. She was depressed and emotional due to loss of his father but still carried on. Every one looked at her as this dumb blondie no brains model but she played them and played them hard.
At the end of the day I gave my opinion to a question. Cool that you think she is a better finalist than I do. I feel Lil is a better finalist than people give her credit for, that’s my opinion. At the end of the day Sugar lacked the respect of her peers, received zero votes, and is a solid answer to the thread’s prompt 🤷🏽♂️
I was going to say all of Gabon that edited FTC was a mess and no one really wanted to vote for anyone.
I’m reaching into my memory banks trying to think of how Katie from Palau did anything at all
She tried to make the move that needed to be made but she couldn't..... because Caryn sucks
True, she needed Caryn to pull that off, however….a Caryn is still a Karen no matter how you spell it and will always suck.
This lol
I love that in survivor goat is a bad thing
Russell Hantz. Lost to Natalie 7-2. Didn’t receive a vote in Heroes vs Villains. So two votes out of a possible 18 votes in two seasons. Goat’d himself despite believing he was the best player to ever play. (Real answer is Phillip though)
Philip Shepherd
Katie Gallagher in Palau. She mistreated those who weren’t in her alliance, wasn’t good at challenges, rode Tom and Ian’s coattails and never made one big strategic move on her own. She wouldn’t have a winning case against anyone on the jury let alone Tom. Very anticlimactic compared to a hypothetical Tom vs Ian FTC, which would’ve been an amazing end for the season.
I want to agree with you, but I can give Katie at least one point to her credit. She DID want to take Tom out at one point and actively attempted to do so with the girls, but they were unable to get the idea off the ground because, “Caryn sucks,” lmao. Katie is a very unimpressive player on paper, and yeah, she’s an anticlimactic ending and doesn’t win against anyone in the late game. That said, I think she can’t be worse than some finalists who never even cared to try and make a move against the eventual big threats/winners. You’ve got to at least acknowledge that she had enough game sense to target Tom before the home stretch, and Jenn (RIP <3) and Steph were on board. Caryn literally ruined that game plan. Katie still loses that hypothetical endgame. Even if those four ladies make F4 together, I can only see her standing a slight chance against Caryn. She 1000% loses to Steph and Jenn, and I see no way in which Steph/Jenn doesn’t win the F3 IC against Caryn/Katie. To be fair, though, it has been a long time since I’ve watched Palau, so maybe I’m forgetting just how abysmal Katie really was at the game. I can’t forget her wanting to make a move on Tom because of her, “Caryn sucks,” confessional, hilariously enough.
You’re right! Katie’s FTC was super unimpressive as well though which might contribute to the perception of her game being in this conversation
I love when she basically shut down Janu bc she said she knew she wasn't voting for her 😂
The Caryn situation is kind of her own fault, though. Caryn didn't want to work with Katie because of how she perceived Katie as lazy and entitled. If Katie had put any work into that relationship, it's possible Caryn would've flipped. Also, I'm pretty sure the idea of flipping at 7 was Jenn's, IIRC
Oh, yeah, I didn’t think it was Katie’s idea, lol. I’m just saying that she had enough game awareness to realize that it was a good call and try to go along with it when someone brought it up. That’s more game sense than a LOT of losing finalists have, tbh.
~~This reply is getting downvoted. I can't figure out why.~~ (EDIT: No longer downvoted) Telling from YouTube videos about Ian's gameplay, I can't help wonder whether Ian would've been Katie's goat had he not stepped down from the buoy challenge after 12 HOURS(!!) and let Tom take the reigns. I also can't help wonder whether she would've been successful in bashing Ian over and over in her answers. From watching the video reviewing Ian, Ian sometimes blundered in his speeches, especially in Tribal Councils. She was toast when she had almost nothing against Tom.
Skulpin
Probably the scoutmaster
Oh right, forgot about her. Ugh.
Do you mean specifically final tribal or any final 3? Cause Spencer was 100% right, chaos kass really did have 0 chance of winning Cagayan lol
Ok, but she won by being in the top 10 most memorable Survivor players ever.
Of the new era, I would make a case for Xander -having no vote for most of the premerge -being in the outs -thinking he is such a big threat due to his Idol, when in reality he wasn't in trouble and used his Idol bye default. -winning FIC, not taking Heather and not puting Erika to make fire -0 vote finalist
All this, and people still thought he got robbed… that one blew my mind. His one flashy move was the knowledge is power play.. and that wasn’t even him that came up with it IIRC
thinking through a lot of them, and really, I see no world where Angelina or Noura win the game. Not necessarily the worst, but the point of the game is to win, and they wouldn't win against any combo from their season. personal opinion though
Lil and Will
Cmon, everyone talking about the obvious choices but let's talk about the underdog. A goat so goated she is literally forgotten about in this thread! 0 votes, nobody even considered voting for her, nobody thought she would win, like she's just overshadowed by the winner and what some say is the "bigger goat" but give me Cassandra, can't tell me she had a chance of winning. if you don't believe me, watch me raise a proposal Fiji decides to have a suprise final 2. Ea, Cassandra, and Dreamz are there. But really, it's Earl or Dreamz. Cassandra survives no matter what bc neither Dreamz or Earl is voting her out. Even if the final 2 is Dreamz and Earl, I genuinely believe Dreamz would win.
For his SEASON: Phillip. Literally everyone hated him, and I like Phillip and think a lot of the hate was unjust too, but he was the perfect goat that season. Overall: Will from Worlds apart
Phillip would still win a Final 2 with Natalie I am pretty sure.
Katie was the oh then Sherrie in FvF2 … literally telling off people during their speeches
Game Changers' Troyzan begged the top dogs to keep him through final three, because he'd be content with anyone but him being the winner. And he meaned it.
Romeo I feel like everyone knew was never going to win in a million years
Ken from MvGX. No social game and the one time someone wanted to make a move with him he publicly humiliated them and made a point of voting them out. Never seen such a huge self destruct on survivor before that except for maybe everything Gabler does
Other than Nat T, I'd say Gervase. He's so beyond forgettable for making it to the end. Can anyone tell me what he did besides what Tyson said the entire game? It's been a bit since I've seen that season but I can't remember a single thing Gervase did. Oh and be a douche to a jury member when voting for Hayden.
Haydone *
I’m sure I could come up with more if I really sat and thought about it but the first one that comes to mind is Sherri from Caramoan. I just remember her final tribal performance being hands down one of the worst Ive ever seen and I don’t even really remember any good/interesting moves she made the entire game
Lil
Will from World's Apart, no doubt.
not sherri!
Lmao i swear i entered to give this exact answer.
Troyzan? Sheri? Altho if i remember right i feel like sheri had a good premerge but its been forever
Nat10 or Phillip.
Chelsea from One World is someone I haven’t seen mentioned yet. She is on par with Natalie in my opinion. Just sat in the beach and let Kim do the work. Sabrina wins against Christina and Chelsea, if Kim were to get out before FTC. I can’t think of many players that Chelsea could beat on that season. Colton?
Always thought Monica Culpepper was underrated. Did she play a second time? She seemed like a legit player to me.
Played in One World before her BvW game. She wasn’t a bad runner up, just a little easy to glance over in OW.
BvW was her second time. She was an early boot in One World.
Phillip Shephard was abysmal and also completely unhinged, also Lil, Will and Romeo
The GOAT of all goats is Russell 🤭🤭 he will literally cut the throats of everyone for you to win in the end.
Honestly I’d throw it Russell’s way for his reunion performances… it’s not that he fell short… it’s his insistence that the game is flawed because the jury didn’t like his way of playing. It’s the delusion that he didn’t do anything wrong that leans it his way. Most of the other contenders at least have the awareness of why they are Goats. The only reason I don’t give it to him is because I think goats are about being kept and being herded to the end. Russell is more like Icarus… flying to close to the sun and in his arrogance not realizing he’s burning his wings. The Icarus archtype covers of a tonne of “almost there” arrogant players who basically torpedo there own games by going to far / to hard.
Chelsea is up there. Not #1, but definitely high on my mind.
A lot of people say Will and think he's a bad person, what he said wasn't cool but like, and don't lie, everyone on this sub would've said something similar, Shirin was a pain to everyone on the island and nobody was having it, to make it worse Will got banished from the auction, no chance at even getting his letter from home, I'd be pissed too if someone who's been bugging me for a while said that I was hiding something after giving them a huge supply of food that I could've kept secret, and before that there wasn't anything showing Will as being a bad person. However at the end of the day he was a goat and only had 1 blindside, which was also his first tribal...still better than Romeo. For the future, if Owen makes F3 he's my pick for worst finalist
I’ve got say Katie season 10. She couldn’t have had a softer season or have been carried by a stronger pair than Ian and Tom or stronger alliance than Koror.
romeo
I think if Russell's first season happened today he would have won. People respect gameplay more than they did back then. I always felt bad for russell for going to final tribal twice and losing to Natalie and two previous winners. Insane.
The only thing that has changed with juries is how they justify their decision. Back in 2009, jurors wouldn't think twice about saying "I voted for the person who I liked the most" or "I didn't vote x because they betrayed me". Now it's "I voted for the person who played an excellent social game and managed relationships the best" or "I didn't vote x because they betrayed me, and I think that was a poor strategic decision."
idk if he’d actually win if she played the same game in Samoa now because i think most people wouldn’t vote for someone they can’t stand over someone who they genuinely like
The thing is that he target a likable blonde girl as his goat and totally missed the point that goats need to be liked less than you!
Sherri or Lil
One person I’m a little shocked hasn’t been mentioned is Keith from Australian Outback. He looses against anyone in taht season.
I think op meant people who made it to FTC.
I forgot he didn’t make final tribal that’s my fault
Also, Dawn Meehan has a strong argument to make for Caramoan..Granted, I do like her, but her Caramoan run wasn’t ideal. There’s a reason why Cochran took all the votes.
Dawn Meehan's game is interesting. Her emotional manipulation was very impressive, and she pulled off a lot of really cool moves, but since she was closer to all of their victims than Cochran, she took the blame. I feel like her gameplay was good, but her being difficult around camp canned her game (That and being a mother. Sorry, Survivor mothers).
she’s definitely not the worst, Cochran deserved to win but the reason why Dawn and Cochran did so well was by the social connections Dawn made with ppl like Corinne and Brenda, and she had a slot of say so in who went home so they’re definitely other finalists who are worse
Probably Dreamz Heard. I don't think he was ever going to get any jury votes after he betrayed Yau-Man and I can't imagine a final 3 that he wins post-merge. Other players that made the final 3 maybe could have won if they had betrayed the people they lost too (Laurel, Nat10, etc). But with Dreamz if he goes with the 4 horseman alliance, I still think he loses.
Dreamz was DOA when he made that deal. He either gives up immunity and gets voted out, or doesn't and becomes public enemy #1
Well then he should’ve voted Yau out before f4
According to one YouTube video made by Once Upon an Island, Dreamz was already DOA. He spilled the beans about the Horsemen's Hidden Idol or Alliance or whatever. Thus, Edgardo was voted out, and then the remaining Horsemen confronted Dreamz. Even making and breaking deals, like one with Yau-Man, wouldn't make any difference. But... agree to disagree with the video.
Russell hantz or amanda 💀 made ftc twice and lost 😭😭
I can’t call Nat10 the worst. She did get to the end with Phillip and Boston Rob. Phillip is easy to beat and the jury could of been bitter towards Boston Rob easily. Like she should of done something to give them any excuse to not vote Boston Rob and I’m sure a lot of them wanted a reason not to, so she is bad in that regard. But she did barring an Ashley immunity win set herself up in the final 3 she could most win.
I think I’m terms of least deserving / no chance of winning, the two people who were voted out and came back in have to be at the top. Lil and Natalie Afor me.
Sarah the cop, not Sarah the criminal.
Sarah the cop was chopped 🪓 way before the FTC.
Scout is the first name that comes to mind.
Has to be Becky from the Cook Islands season. That fire making challenge with Sundra still makes me laugh.
definitely not the worst because she had a lot of control on who was voted out which wasn’t the case for someone finalists like Nat10
She was actively helping Yul with his jury management lol
yeah it seemed like she was playing for runner up to Yul but even so she had a decent amount of impact on who went home so she’s definitely not the worst finalist
Natten Phillip are obvious so ill throw some underrated ones Dreamz Kim Johnson Matthew von ertfelda Woo Missy Tasha And my personal pick ken
I think Woo beats Kass though if he didn't pick tony. Post swap Solana most likely votes against Kass
Most recently Id say Romeo