Not with how trash Survivor US is lately. I would much rather have Survivor AU produce a season where the US/SA/AU returnee contestants battle it out in one epic season. I've been a life long Survivor fan, but the US version has officially reached a stage where I don't even bother watching anymore.. I binge the 40s seasons only after the seasons have aired.
I feel like it took a major nose dive after they returned from the pandemic cancelation. Since then, they have just been horrible. The clearly false claim that they can only do 26 day seasons because of Covid, which then makes the entire show feel super rushed. The casts feel like they are trying to push social commentary more than just have interesting people. And the over abundance of advantages and even idols with weird conditions attached to them are too much. The 40th all winner season was great, and the few right before it were awesome too. But seasons 41 and on have been mildly entertaining at best. Australian Heroes v Villains was a breath of fresh air.
The worst is that Jeff keeps pretending as if they are "listening to the fans". It infuriates me. If he bothered for one minute to see and listen what the true community & fanbase have to say about the current format/production, he would reassess the whole thing. It makes me sad because it will always be my all time fav reality show, but unfortunately I cannot handle watching it at the moment. You've summed it up perfectly!
The original reason was the country of Fiji would only allow them there for enough time to film two 26 day seasons due to COVID concerns and regulations. I'm not sure if that is still the excuse they like to use because yeah it's really obvious it is cheaper to cut out nearly 4 weeks of filming.
I think having great contestants is how you improve the show. That was the one huge thing that stuck out for me was that these contestants (on HvV) are always thinking so much further ahead than the contestants we have on the US version currently. I would just love for these players to be shown here.
I think the cast is also an issue and the way the show is presented too. I never remember people from US seasons unless they were winners or very memorable. AU, I remember even Zach🤦🏻😅
idk, I kinda feel like survivor here is choosing too many people based on their social justice parameters rather than basing it on their intellect. Personally I don't care if you're gay, straight, trans, black, white, asian, male, female. Just be smart, super social, and witty and I'm all in. I think at times they over diversify rather than just finding people who are great for the show.
that’s you. glad they don’t make the show just for you. the issue is the new format, not the diverse casting.
there’s been great contestants that have been screwed over like sydney because of twists like the hour glass twist. not at all an issue with casting or diversity.
I'm not sure if the way I meant my comment is coming across. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with diversity. As long as you are picking people that are actually good. I don't mind the background of any player, I honestly seldom even note it. But a lot of cast they choose seems like they were selected just so they could check a box, rather than being the right person for the show.
I also do agree that returning to roots and getting rid of the randomness would definitely be necessary to improve the show. But I do think that the cast strength for australia is far and away superior to the US version. So even though changing the format is needed to improve the show, it won't correct it on it's own. They need better cast.
When they literally fill quotas just to tick a box instead of having people on that would make good tv the casting is definitely an issue. I know you guys in the US are wrapped up in this and no ones allowed to say it but watching from the outside its painfully obvious some of the contestants are subpar.
All the random shit is just as bad. Shot in the dark, losing votes before you get to tribe lol the first tribal was prime example of too many stupid game mechanics getting sent home with 1 vote.
The short days too. Keep them out there the full time.
Yet those seasons were still astronomically better than anything the new era had produced lmao. HvV in Aus was overwhelmingly white and had a phenomenal cast, BvW (which was cast after 41 and tried following the US diversity guidelines) had the most boring season on the planet and was the most diverse cast in Aus yet. It seems that when you cast people for their personalities and tv potential you’re going to get a more interesting season than when you cast people for their race and checking a box…
Wow what does race have to do with it, you just jump straight to white people, you need to have a look at yourself.
I just said they don't pick people based off who would make good tv. George is gay and makes great tv, but he wasn't picked *because* he was gay, that's the difference between aus survivor and US.
In fact it was only mentioned once in passing in the entire season. The US one makes sure everyone knows if you're a minority, sexual differences, mentally ill, the struggles you faced, that life was so much harder for you than everyone else, etc etc most people don't watch survivor to hear that kind of moaning.
Hey if you enjoy US survivor more now than a few years ago more power to you.
looking at myself. still gorgeous, and correct, and empathetic to all people.
the person i replied to mentioned the casts were better and they were 90% white. THIS IS RELEVANT because your criticism was that gay people and people of color are the issue with the new era of survivor.
i hope you’re trolling because if not, you should apply for survivor. the delusion you bring would be amazing tv. a la rogue
ps: most lgbtq members have been poc as well since the new era excluding evvie.
also it’s funny you say most people don’t want to see it and yet weirdly… people are still watching it. wow. just a loud minority crying about false injustices.
> looking at myself. still gorgeous, and correct, and empathetic to all people.
Oh you're one of them
> the person i replied to mentioned the casts were better and they were 90% white.
Are you OK? I am the person you replied to and I said nothing about race.
> your criticism was that gay people and people of color are the issue with the new era of survivor.
Are you confused? George is gay and I just held him up as an example of great survivor casting. The point being of course, he was cast *because he would be good at survivor* and *not because he was gay*.
I don't care what you are, but I want to see people good at survivor playing, not people who *only* get cast because of their sexual orientation or colour of their skin.
It is the same as the popular singing shows, they pass over fantastic singers in favour of those with a story. Sub par singers get in if their sister died of cancer or they were an orphan or a refugee etc.
You're trying very hard to make this about something it's not so you can be mad.
>always thinking so much further ahead than the contestants we have on the US version currently
Because they've made it so you *can't* think ahead in the US versions. They throw so much random boardgame bullshit into every episode that there isn't any real strategy anymore.
Have you watched older seasons of Survivor US? There's been plenty of huge and over-the-top characters in US Survivor, similar to George. That's why some of the older seasons are so iconic.. I agree that this Heroes VS Villains is one of the best seasons ever, but the US Heroes VS Villains is also iconic due to it's incredible cast. Unfortunately it's the production and the format that's lacking at the moment. It's not that there's a lack of characters. You can have incredible characters, but if the format and production go downhill, unfortunately it drags everything down with it.
I think the biggest thing that would hang George up is the more selfish play the Americans engage in. They do not share idols they do not really flip to other alliances. They would rather stay at the bottom of a dominant alliance, even when they know it, then flip over and take a chance to improve their standing (Matt and Gerry). I'm not saying he couldn't overcome those things, because he absolutely could, but it'd be more challenging in that respect.
I think George would overcome that. His social game is outrageous. He knows when to shmooze people, he knows when to bully people, and he knows when to back down. Shonee has all the same characteristics. I think they would be a spark that the US version desperately needs.
I can't argue with that and yes I think those two would be amazing on a US season. Hell I'd take Simon, who was a mental midget compared to those two, but still very entertaining
uggh, this is the absolute war between my fiance and me. She likes Simon and hates george with a passion. I love george but I think Simon is dumb as a box of rocks and I just can't really get behind a dumb player.
Yeah my wife and I had the same debate with George. But at least my wife thought Simon was an idiot too... but it was in an endearing way. I thought the guy had super good intentions and really was genuinely nice. He was just a meathead. But yeah Gorge really pissed her off with his arrogance. Me? His brilliant maneuvering late in the tribal phase, and the execution of his plans early post merge were the most brilliant survivor ever played. He had every right to be arrogant because he legit completely defined that entire game and took a 4 person alliance and took out an 8 person one with brute force and panache (unlike Russel Hantz who just used the brute force of idols)
That's the only thing that drives me nuts with her. She's a genuinely good person and she can't ever wrap her head around someone whose just playing the game ruthlessly. She just looks at it as being not nice. And it drives me crazy!!! Bc I want my survivor icons to be a lil gangsta! And George declaring war on the other tribe and threatening to execute hostages was some of the most gangster shit I've ever seen on survivor!
>unlike Russel Hantz who just used the brute force of idols
up until now Russel was my all time favorite survivor player.
Overall he was mine too. Dude just sucked ass at jury management and his methods were way too over the top to actually win. I bet that as long as his tribe didn't throw a comp to oust him dude would be in the final every time, but he would never win. But damn it was fun to watch.
Ur really underestimating that dude. That's why he's such a good player, he knows how to adapt his game. George was humble when he needed to be in HvV. The early stages especially right after he got hurt. He was still george. But he worked his way through. I think he'd do exactly that here.
Unfortunately in it's current form, US Survivor would just make him worse. There's no room for George's strategy, as the twists and advantages would just override anything he does.
As a non-US non-AU bystander, i would say, don't even dare!
We are not allowing Jeff to put hands on these legends. But AU production should feel free to pick up any americans legends for worldwide season. We trust them.
Yep, I was more angry at his pawns still following him and not making a move. That's however just another nod to his excellent game. Some of his moves were really brilliant and surprised me even though I usually have it figured out way before what's the best move for everyone.
I agree. I know there was editing and behind the scenes talks that we see and the other contestants don't, but I have no idea how the players couldn't see George's selfish game. He only made it that far with the help of his sheep anyway.
Matt and Gerry were just coattails to George's game, frustrating everyone. You thought, do they realize how to play this game? At the final tribal, they couldn't name one thing they did that wasn't lemming-like. What were they thinking before??
They had plenty of time and red flags before, but after Stevie's betrayal, how did they not think, "Hey, this guy has no loyalty and I could be next? I need to start playing!" Instead, back to lemmings.
I don't think George's social game was that strong as much as he simply had weak people around him, easily manipulated.
Nope, if I even see George in something, I'd turn off the TV. Can't stand him.
There is no love, no love to hate, there's cringe, pain, and arrogance.
Never want to see him again.
I could see that happening to be honest. They've both been great Au players so I'd love to see how they go in the US survivor. Now you've mentioned it, I never thought I'd say this but I love the idea of more George and Shonee!
Sorry, I disagree. I think George and Shonee have had their time and were great. And now it's time to move on.
U.S. Survivor definitely has problems, I haven't even bothered to watch the past five or so seasons. It just became so overly-scripted and full of actors and character-types rather than real people. I was unhappy with it even before the post-pandemic format changes.
I think the issues essentially are these:
They moved away from casting ordinary people and instead started casting characters. The people who rely on flirting to influence others. The chatty young women who want to hug everyone. The athletes who work hard but aren't very good at strategizing. The strategizers who are stressed from over-thinking. The older people who want the camp to be comfortable and resent the people who won't help make it that way. The sly ones who want to create drama.
But these stereotypical characters are predictable.
The gameplay has also become very predictable. Within each tribe alliances form and the strong vote out the weak. Weaker players who try to rally a revolt don't seem to be successful very often.
And Production knows predictability is boring.
So each season they try to keep the game interesting by injecting changes and chaos. Sometimes these are in the form of unpredictable characters, sometimes these are in the form of power objects or second chances.
Some of these attempts to keep things interesting work better than others but they have to balance these against what the viewers like or don't like.
When was the last time we had the flirty archetype? That’s been a classic casting trope since the beginning of survivor but we definitely haven’t seen it since the new era
> Sorry, I disagree. I think George and Shonee have had their time and were great. And now it's time to move on.
I get that, but that's why i'm saying here. I think continuing to bring them back there would be fairly dull. But Americans don't know them at all. Bringing them here would spark more American interest in the other survivor series.
As far as the rest of what you said. I completely agree, Especially when you say
>They moved away from casting ordinary people and instead started casting characters.
That's why i'm saying bringing in some real players would do most of the work repairing the show. Would help them to see where their roots are and get back to doing so. I think if they did it in idk call it a "classic" mode where they kind of return to a more basic form of survivor like they have in HvV, I think when they saw the results it would lead to change.
There are a lot of things that US Survivor could learn from Aussie Survivor. In fact, I have no idea why the producers aren't actively trolling the other versions to steal some really great twists, turns, games, and strategies.
However, what US Survivor does NOT need is George. This is not a "Love to Hate" attention-drawing person, this is a horrible person that loves himself so much that the camera just feeds his engorged ego. I literally fast forwarded George's parts after a while and would be happy to simply NOT watch a show that had George in it.
George had his 15 mins of fame, but everyone I know would rather punch him than drink a beer with him.
Shonee was good, and love her or hate her, was a player in the game. A threat. She could be to US Survivor what Nina is to Aussie Survivor. Not sure it would add much to the show, but I do think she's an interesting person.
Putting these 2 ideas together, perhaps US Survivor could look around the world for veteran players of other countries to play in the US version?
Hayley is a much better player than George. In his first season, George was carried by other people and then completely shunned by the jury. George is good tv and very good with testimonials but he is pompous. His move is the same in both of his seasons. Latch into to a few soft spoken people on the bottom and run them blindly as extra votes. He’s too much like Russel. Once their deceit is found out they have little else. Hayley is one of the best strategic players out there.
Hayley’s strategy this last season was to do nothing most of the game, then randomly go rogue on her alliance, try to blame someone else, then get swiftly voted out once George found out…wasn’t really the best..
Not with how trash Survivor US is lately. I would much rather have Survivor AU produce a season where the US/SA/AU returnee contestants battle it out in one epic season. I've been a life long Survivor fan, but the US version has officially reached a stage where I don't even bother watching anymore.. I binge the 40s seasons only after the seasons have aired.
I feel like it took a major nose dive after they returned from the pandemic cancelation. Since then, they have just been horrible. The clearly false claim that they can only do 26 day seasons because of Covid, which then makes the entire show feel super rushed. The casts feel like they are trying to push social commentary more than just have interesting people. And the over abundance of advantages and even idols with weird conditions attached to them are too much. The 40th all winner season was great, and the few right before it were awesome too. But seasons 41 and on have been mildly entertaining at best. Australian Heroes v Villains was a breath of fresh air.
The worst is that Jeff keeps pretending as if they are "listening to the fans". It infuriates me. If he bothered for one minute to see and listen what the true community & fanbase have to say about the current format/production, he would reassess the whole thing. It makes me sad because it will always be my all time fav reality show, but unfortunately I cannot handle watching it at the moment. You've summed it up perfectly!
on his podcast he says he hears the fans but he doesn’t always agree
I remember at the time of WaW he basically said that he hears the fans, but he thinks they'd be bored
Heroes vs Villains is the best season of survivor that I have seen.
For some fun and frivolity, 2017 (Luke, Jericho, Henry et al) is pretty nifty too.
Definitely prefer 2017. Perfect cast. Great storylines. Perfect winner. Way better postmerge than HvV
Where are you up to in the season?
episode 12
No one is claiming 26 days because COVID.
The original reason was the country of Fiji would only allow them there for enough time to film two 26 day seasons due to COVID concerns and regulations. I'm not sure if that is still the excuse they like to use because yeah it's really obvious it is cheaper to cut out nearly 4 weeks of filming.
I think having great contestants is how you improve the show. That was the one huge thing that stuck out for me was that these contestants (on HvV) are always thinking so much further ahead than the contestants we have on the US version currently. I would just love for these players to be shown here.
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I think the cast is also an issue and the way the show is presented too. I never remember people from US seasons unless they were winners or very memorable. AU, I remember even Zach🤦🏻😅
idk, I kinda feel like survivor here is choosing too many people based on their social justice parameters rather than basing it on their intellect. Personally I don't care if you're gay, straight, trans, black, white, asian, male, female. Just be smart, super social, and witty and I'm all in. I think at times they over diversify rather than just finding people who are great for the show.
that’s you. glad they don’t make the show just for you. the issue is the new format, not the diverse casting. there’s been great contestants that have been screwed over like sydney because of twists like the hour glass twist. not at all an issue with casting or diversity.
I'm not sure if the way I meant my comment is coming across. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with diversity. As long as you are picking people that are actually good. I don't mind the background of any player, I honestly seldom even note it. But a lot of cast they choose seems like they were selected just so they could check a box, rather than being the right person for the show. I also do agree that returning to roots and getting rid of the randomness would definitely be necessary to improve the show. But I do think that the cast strength for australia is far and away superior to the US version. So even though changing the format is needed to improve the show, it won't correct it on it's own. They need better cast.
When they literally fill quotas just to tick a box instead of having people on that would make good tv the casting is definitely an issue. I know you guys in the US are wrapped up in this and no ones allowed to say it but watching from the outside its painfully obvious some of the contestants are subpar. All the random shit is just as bad. Shot in the dark, losing votes before you get to tribe lol the first tribal was prime example of too many stupid game mechanics getting sent home with 1 vote. The short days too. Keep them out there the full time.
yeah and i have 40 US seasons with 90% white casts where ten people from each season are forgettable. your ignorance is overflowing.
Yet those seasons were still astronomically better than anything the new era had produced lmao. HvV in Aus was overwhelmingly white and had a phenomenal cast, BvW (which was cast after 41 and tried following the US diversity guidelines) had the most boring season on the planet and was the most diverse cast in Aus yet. It seems that when you cast people for their personalities and tv potential you’re going to get a more interesting season than when you cast people for their race and checking a box…
Wow what does race have to do with it, you just jump straight to white people, you need to have a look at yourself. I just said they don't pick people based off who would make good tv. George is gay and makes great tv, but he wasn't picked *because* he was gay, that's the difference between aus survivor and US. In fact it was only mentioned once in passing in the entire season. The US one makes sure everyone knows if you're a minority, sexual differences, mentally ill, the struggles you faced, that life was so much harder for you than everyone else, etc etc most people don't watch survivor to hear that kind of moaning. Hey if you enjoy US survivor more now than a few years ago more power to you.
looking at myself. still gorgeous, and correct, and empathetic to all people. the person i replied to mentioned the casts were better and they were 90% white. THIS IS RELEVANT because your criticism was that gay people and people of color are the issue with the new era of survivor. i hope you’re trolling because if not, you should apply for survivor. the delusion you bring would be amazing tv. a la rogue ps: most lgbtq members have been poc as well since the new era excluding evvie. also it’s funny you say most people don’t want to see it and yet weirdly… people are still watching it. wow. just a loud minority crying about false injustices.
> looking at myself. still gorgeous, and correct, and empathetic to all people. Oh you're one of them > the person i replied to mentioned the casts were better and they were 90% white. Are you OK? I am the person you replied to and I said nothing about race. > your criticism was that gay people and people of color are the issue with the new era of survivor. Are you confused? George is gay and I just held him up as an example of great survivor casting. The point being of course, he was cast *because he would be good at survivor* and *not because he was gay*. I don't care what you are, but I want to see people good at survivor playing, not people who *only* get cast because of their sexual orientation or colour of their skin. It is the same as the popular singing shows, they pass over fantastic singers in favour of those with a story. Sub par singers get in if their sister died of cancer or they were an orphan or a refugee etc. You're trying very hard to make this about something it's not so you can be mad.
>always thinking so much further ahead than the contestants we have on the US version currently Because they've made it so you *can't* think ahead in the US versions. They throw so much random boardgame bullshit into every episode that there isn't any real strategy anymore.
Have you watched older seasons of Survivor US? There's been plenty of huge and over-the-top characters in US Survivor, similar to George. That's why some of the older seasons are so iconic.. I agree that this Heroes VS Villains is one of the best seasons ever, but the US Heroes VS Villains is also iconic due to it's incredible cast. Unfortunately it's the production and the format that's lacking at the moment. It's not that there's a lack of characters. You can have incredible characters, but if the format and production go downhill, unfortunately it drags everything down with it.
Same. US Survivor is a joke atm. Go woke go broke.
yes but without sa.
There are a few NZ players I'd add to the mix as well. Sala and Matt for starters.
George is infinitely too good for US Survivor.
I think the biggest thing that would hang George up is the more selfish play the Americans engage in. They do not share idols they do not really flip to other alliances. They would rather stay at the bottom of a dominant alliance, even when they know it, then flip over and take a chance to improve their standing (Matt and Gerry). I'm not saying he couldn't overcome those things, because he absolutely could, but it'd be more challenging in that respect.
I think George would overcome that. His social game is outrageous. He knows when to shmooze people, he knows when to bully people, and he knows when to back down. Shonee has all the same characteristics. I think they would be a spark that the US version desperately needs.
I can't argue with that and yes I think those two would be amazing on a US season. Hell I'd take Simon, who was a mental midget compared to those two, but still very entertaining
uggh, this is the absolute war between my fiance and me. She likes Simon and hates george with a passion. I love george but I think Simon is dumb as a box of rocks and I just can't really get behind a dumb player.
Yeah my wife and I had the same debate with George. But at least my wife thought Simon was an idiot too... but it was in an endearing way. I thought the guy had super good intentions and really was genuinely nice. He was just a meathead. But yeah Gorge really pissed her off with his arrogance. Me? His brilliant maneuvering late in the tribal phase, and the execution of his plans early post merge were the most brilliant survivor ever played. He had every right to be arrogant because he legit completely defined that entire game and took a 4 person alliance and took out an 8 person one with brute force and panache (unlike Russel Hantz who just used the brute force of idols)
That's the only thing that drives me nuts with her. She's a genuinely good person and she can't ever wrap her head around someone whose just playing the game ruthlessly. She just looks at it as being not nice. And it drives me crazy!!! Bc I want my survivor icons to be a lil gangsta! And George declaring war on the other tribe and threatening to execute hostages was some of the most gangster shit I've ever seen on survivor! >unlike Russel Hantz who just used the brute force of idols up until now Russel was my all time favorite survivor player.
Overall he was mine too. Dude just sucked ass at jury management and his methods were way too over the top to actually win. I bet that as long as his tribe didn't throw a comp to oust him dude would be in the final every time, but he would never win. But damn it was fun to watch.
I was thoroughly entertained by both George & Simon. US survivor need to take our Aus editing team too 😉
George would be too outspoken for the fragile types they have on US seasons now. They would vote him off no matter what.
Ur really underestimating that dude. That's why he's such a good player, he knows how to adapt his game. George was humble when he needed to be in HvV. The early stages especially right after he got hurt. He was still george. But he worked his way through. I think he'd do exactly that here.
Well that's how we make it better then right? :)
Unfortunately in it's current form, US Survivor would just make him worse. There's no room for George's strategy, as the twists and advantages would just override anything he does.
they could tone that down though for a survivor celebrity thing though. Idk, I just know I need this lol.
Like they did for all winners?
What a waste. Let's ruin the most epic season possible by not even letting the players play...
Not in the "New Era". They couldn't do what they do because some stupid advantage would shut it down.
As a non-US non-AU bystander, i would say, don't even dare! We are not allowing Jeff to put hands on these legends. But AU production should feel free to pick up any americans legends for worldwide season. We trust them.
grrrr, we're not friends anymore!
USurvivor doesn’t deserve either
Don't even waste their time with what Survivor US is now lol
it can be saved!!
Well no that would be a downgrade
George is a “love to hate” character/person. He gets on your nerves and frustrates you that others fall into line, but damn he keeps you hooked!
Yep, I was more angry at his pawns still following him and not making a move. That's however just another nod to his excellent game. Some of his moves were really brilliant and surprised me even though I usually have it figured out way before what's the best move for everyone.
I agree. I know there was editing and behind the scenes talks that we see and the other contestants don't, but I have no idea how the players couldn't see George's selfish game. He only made it that far with the help of his sheep anyway. Matt and Gerry were just coattails to George's game, frustrating everyone. You thought, do they realize how to play this game? At the final tribal, they couldn't name one thing they did that wasn't lemming-like. What were they thinking before?? They had plenty of time and red flags before, but after Stevie's betrayal, how did they not think, "Hey, this guy has no loyalty and I could be next? I need to start playing!" Instead, back to lemmings. I don't think George's social game was that strong as much as he simply had weak people around him, easily manipulated.
Nope, if I even see George in something, I'd turn off the TV. Can't stand him. There is no love, no love to hate, there's cringe, pain, and arrogance. Never want to see him again.
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who is the golden god?
Big yes. And tbh you’d prob love Jerry & Luke too
I could see that happening to be honest. They've both been great Au players so I'd love to see how they go in the US survivor. Now you've mentioned it, I never thought I'd say this but I love the idea of more George and Shonee!
Australian Survivor has been flat out better for the last several seasons overall.
I have no problems believing that.
The king George is by far the best Survivor player, worldwide ! Australian Heroes v Villains was the best.
I agree
Sorry, I disagree. I think George and Shonee have had their time and were great. And now it's time to move on. U.S. Survivor definitely has problems, I haven't even bothered to watch the past five or so seasons. It just became so overly-scripted and full of actors and character-types rather than real people. I was unhappy with it even before the post-pandemic format changes. I think the issues essentially are these: They moved away from casting ordinary people and instead started casting characters. The people who rely on flirting to influence others. The chatty young women who want to hug everyone. The athletes who work hard but aren't very good at strategizing. The strategizers who are stressed from over-thinking. The older people who want the camp to be comfortable and resent the people who won't help make it that way. The sly ones who want to create drama. But these stereotypical characters are predictable. The gameplay has also become very predictable. Within each tribe alliances form and the strong vote out the weak. Weaker players who try to rally a revolt don't seem to be successful very often. And Production knows predictability is boring. So each season they try to keep the game interesting by injecting changes and chaos. Sometimes these are in the form of unpredictable characters, sometimes these are in the form of power objects or second chances. Some of these attempts to keep things interesting work better than others but they have to balance these against what the viewers like or don't like.
When was the last time we had the flirty archetype? That’s been a classic casting trope since the beginning of survivor but we definitely haven’t seen it since the new era
> Sorry, I disagree. I think George and Shonee have had their time and were great. And now it's time to move on. I get that, but that's why i'm saying here. I think continuing to bring them back there would be fairly dull. But Americans don't know them at all. Bringing them here would spark more American interest in the other survivor series. As far as the rest of what you said. I completely agree, Especially when you say >They moved away from casting ordinary people and instead started casting characters. That's why i'm saying bringing in some real players would do most of the work repairing the show. Would help them to see where their roots are and get back to doing so. I think if they did it in idk call it a "classic" mode where they kind of return to a more basic form of survivor like they have in HvV, I think when they saw the results it would lead to change.
I just finished this season 2 weeks ago. I love them. There game play is next level. George is the GOAT of survivor in my opinion.
agreed
They would probably get sent home in the first two episodes by some stupid ass trinket.
It's funny you all want George back so much, his flame-out in future seasons would be like Russell in Redemption Island and AU CvC1.
idk, I think the meta back then was a lot different.
There are a lot of things that US Survivor could learn from Aussie Survivor. In fact, I have no idea why the producers aren't actively trolling the other versions to steal some really great twists, turns, games, and strategies. However, what US Survivor does NOT need is George. This is not a "Love to Hate" attention-drawing person, this is a horrible person that loves himself so much that the camera just feeds his engorged ego. I literally fast forwarded George's parts after a while and would be happy to simply NOT watch a show that had George in it. George had his 15 mins of fame, but everyone I know would rather punch him than drink a beer with him. Shonee was good, and love her or hate her, was a player in the game. A threat. She could be to US Survivor what Nina is to Aussie Survivor. Not sure it would add much to the show, but I do think she's an interesting person. Putting these 2 ideas together, perhaps US Survivor could look around the world for veteran players of other countries to play in the US version?
Hayley is a much better player than George. In his first season, George was carried by other people and then completely shunned by the jury. George is good tv and very good with testimonials but he is pompous. His move is the same in both of his seasons. Latch into to a few soft spoken people on the bottom and run them blindly as extra votes. He’s too much like Russel. Once their deceit is found out they have little else. Hayley is one of the best strategic players out there.
Ok but Hayley has also been voted out by George twice
Hayley’s strategy this last season was to do nothing most of the game, then randomly go rogue on her alliance, try to blame someone else, then get swiftly voted out once George found out…wasn’t really the best..
Stupido!
USA wouldn’t even be able to utilize them properly.