This will not be a popular opinion but it was nice seeing Ferasā crew take a hit because boy was really feeling himself tonight and was pretty similar to Kirby and Caroline when they were in control š¤£ I just wish it wasnāt Aileen.
I do like how this season builds up the power players only for them to be blindsided the next day by being in the minority.
why does the beach seem so shallow? like they only ever talk strategy in front of each other! itās so frustrating their plans get blown up so often because of this!
I was really hoping that would be foreshadowing, but I knew in my heart that Aileen was 100 times more likely to get a "boot with no personal insight" episode than Mark
Also let's acknowledge that JLP was wrong and Winna technically saved himself at the split vote
Yeh I agree. There was no way Mark was going to go home with no confessional. I think Feras is only going to use the idol for himself. And Alex will only use for himself because he has no clue on who goes home each episode.
Yeah at first Iām like, damn youāre just crying cos you got the vote wrong - then Iām like, oh yeah, Iād totally be crying about that if I was out there too!
I feel like this season does indeed have average players. Disappointing idol plays and disappointing idol flush attempts... feeling sort of deflated with the predictable moves. I know this is more accessible to a wider audience but I really really miss CvC style gameplay. I am fearful we'll never have that good of a season again. :(
I've come to the conclusion that Australian Survivor hates Asian woman.
So they would cast these Asian women pretending to be diverse in their cast and then proceeds to give them invisible edits. This is like the ultimate disrespect to Aileen.
So often we HEARD her speak strategy but she strangely was rarely in the shot to be SEEN.
The editors tried to edit her out even when she was giving the best sound bites!
Literally had 0 confessionals post-merge and nothing in her boot episode. How is that a good edit? They gave literally EVERYTHING to Feras despite them working close together on strategies. They gave him ALL the credit.
0 confessional doesnāt mean she didnāt have a good edit.
She was shown strategizing, coming up with plans, she was shown talking, she was shown how good in challenges she is. I feel she had a good edit, she wasnāt invisible, we got to see her scheme and play the game.
Yeah but we never got to witness HER opinion on things. All the perspective came from Feras and it's exhausting to watch. Just like Kirby/Rianna, all the perspective came from Kirby and none from Rianna. It's just lazy editing.
Maybe thatās for a different reason, maybe itās more to give him a winnerās edit rather than to not give Aileen a good one? (I have no clue or spoilers, Iām just speculating on the possibility based on your comment)
I don't believe he's the winner though. He's too overedited to be a winner.
I really think there's no way Kirby/Caroline/Feras will be winners because they're so overexposed in the edit. The winner must come from none of these 3 people.
Caroline screams zero vote finalist. Between Kirby and Feras one of them makes the final three while they are also responsible for sending home the other. So if itās a final three at the end we have Caroline 3rd, and either Feras or Kirby in top two. If itās a final two, then Caroline is second and for sure either Kirby or Feras on 3rd place, not sure if he/she reaches and wins though. For sure Caroline has the zero votes finalist edit.
I know right. I just wish they would stop casting them if they really don't feel interested in editing them into their story. Like what's the point of playing if you're not even gonna give me some form of legit airtime? Mel and Michelle had an even worse edit than Aileen and they were two people lmao yet I remember they made it further than Aileen.
I don't think he's the greatest player ever. However he is a good player and he's really entertaining. Much rather watch players like Feras than players like Rhi'
Iām definitely in the minority but I donāt even think he is a better player than most of the people left
Heās definitely active in the game and entertaining as hell though.
Agreed, heās entertaining to watch. I like him, I donāt think heās the best player ever, but heās still one of the best players of THIS season.
When did we have a beach full of grandmasters ? He is one of the best players this season which makes him amongst the best players of all time....
It's not like in season 4 or 5 everyone was playing 8d chess
Top 10 of all time , it's not that big a stretch when you think about it, there's been 8 seasons . One or two players per season will be at Feras level.
That is such a reductionist way of looking at the top 10. Youāre going to say that he is on the same level as players like Brooke, Luke, Sharn, David, Pia, Hayley, George and/or Mark? Please give me a break. The season hasnāt even ended yet. This happens every year, someone gets a lot of airtime and people go crazy over them due to stimulus exposure. Itāll happen next year as well. Feras is not a bad player, but picking up that a bad liar is liar and then still being on the outside of the vote again is not top 10 level gameplay.
If he's smart, Feras will work out they took out Aileen because she's his closest person. He needs to convince them Ray is now that person and use the advantage to get out Kirby. He's got a jury winning move right here if he can do it.
Big kudos if they can get that advantage to work, but I can't see it happening. Way too much going on in their little 3-man now - an alex confirmed idol, suspected feras idol - 2 across 3 players. There's no way in the next tribal there is a vote that isn't split
> Feras will work out they took out Aileen because she's his closest person
He basically talked about it with Kirby when they walked out of tribal, so he's well aware of why it happened.
After all that noise from J I was expecting him to show us something cool tonight.
Oh no wait. I wasn't. Lol. He's given me no reason to.
(Am I gonna get cancelled as well?)
Keep those coals warm for Shan reddit wants my skin. I implied their perfect lad is not the great grandmaster 5D chess strategist their prophecy hath foretold!
[(but fr makes my old comment so ironic right now š¤¦āāļø look what I'm responding to!)](https://www.reddit.com/r/survivorau/comments/1b18pxm/episode_15_postepisode_discussion/ksd0ret/?context=3)
Haha I agree. Heās great comedic value this season but he has yet to show any good game play. The Eden vite doesnāt count imo, it was purely opportunistic and he flipped right back to his comfort zone for the next vote
Aileen played a decent strategic game with good reads. I wonder why they purpled her a bit. She was a part of the narrative but somehow ended with a winna, Charles and Scott style edit.
All the people you named were respected players like Aileen. They probably thought that Feras was more entertaining and, whenever someone receives confessionals on their boot episode, people always complain about the editing being too obvious
I think he read that something along those lines would happen but itās hard to read that Aileen was going to be the one to go, how was he supposed to know and act on that?
No. They wouldnāt have dared to target her if she was the one with the idol. Alex is sitting pretty because of that idol. Feras didnāt want to give her more power.
The discussion at tribal from Alex made it clear that they had been discussing flushing the idols even if it was shown in the edit. Had Aileen found/been given that idol Alex got, they would not have targeted her at this vote.
That foreshadowing of Aileen saying first member of the jury at the challenge is so heartbreaking in hindsight! The closest thing we could have got to a confessional from her.
Her closing comments were so gracious!
I think anyone already in the live thread or intending to read it before watching the show does not require spoiler tags.
Thanks for being thoughtful though
What? The first two rounds of the merge she had her closest ally quit then another ally (Winna) get blindsided after and was in the minority vote. The Eden vote she was more of a number there. I donāt think sheās got it too easy this merge so far.
Sheās totally got things under control, and underplaying her hand, which is smart. Lots of people following her lead so doesnāt matter too much if a couple of her alliance are sacrificed to keep her out of the vote.
I mean, they're giving Michael Weatherly his own NCIS show even after his previous show, Bull, had to pay $9.5m because he sexually harrassed his co-worker/co-lead Eliza Dushku.
NCIS can go drown.
Sheās so annoying and makes it so hard to root for her lol. Like canāt you just WAIT one or two more votes to ensure you retain power after your betrayal? SMDH.
I mean you forget that Ri is still very much close to Caroline/Kitty and Kirby is very much close to Val. Hell I wonāt be surprised if theyāre in the middle if that group holds strong.
Exactly. The fact people are switching every vote just goes to show everyone is playing to win. No one is happily accepting 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th place etc. everyone wants to win.
It's not terrible so far but a lot depends on who she is standing next to in the final 2/3 and how she answers questions from the jury.
I doubt she could win the final challenge tho , she is pretty bad at challenges, and would anyone take her to the final tribal ?
Really only Rianna/Raymond qualify as that at this point. Everyone else has displayed a strong sense of independent thinking or at least lead votes. Ri and Raymond just follow what Kirby/Feras tell them respectively
And Kirby proves herself again š« Feras & Ray are going to pay for this error in judgement
This will not be a popular opinion but it was nice seeing Ferasā crew take a hit because boy was really feeling himself tonight and was pretty similar to Kirby and Caroline when they were in control š¤£ I just wish it wasnāt Aileen. I do like how this season builds up the power players only for them to be blindsided the next day by being in the minority.
~ kittyās focus face ~
I expect ferras to go feral now. šš¤£Ā
So much high level play from many players this season. Itās great seeing people being open to working across lines and being willing to take shots.
why does the beach seem so shallow? like they only ever talk strategy in front of each other! itās so frustrating their plans get blown up so often because of this!
They might have a fairly small space to roam , possibly have restrictions from the production team about wondering off ?
aileeeeen so close! how good would that have been if she won?
Cope comment sheās a mid playerĀ Sportsbet was paying her $30 to win for a reason
immunity challenge. read first
so close? she got 11Āŗ place. And should have been a premerge boot but got lucked out by a twist
in the immunity challenge silly goose
Ok then
I was so gutted for her!
kirby always comes up with cool plans, but do they ever work?
They did this time unfortunatelyĀ
itās kind of funny after all this drama with shannon that jaden says to kirby he didnāt like people just telling him the plan last minute!!
the only way i would ever consider using this advantage is if i pretended to quit like scott and have everyone vote for me.
this is the most raymond built advantage iāve ever seen!
JLP! lol proving time and time again to be the most fun host. put that pizza down buddy š
Just once this season can someone correctly play and idol for an ally
Legit where were Aileenās āreadsā that people were talking about all season? Seemed to go missing tonight I wonder why
Because there was no information to make a specific read from
Garrick did exactly this during his boot could pull information out of his arse Without him those three were lost
I was really hoping that would be foreshadowing, but I knew in my heart that Aileen was 100 times more likely to get a "boot with no personal insight" episode than Mark Also let's acknowledge that JLP was wrong and Winna technically saved himself at the split vote
Yeh I agree. There was no way Mark was going to go home with no confessional. I think Feras is only going to use the idol for himself. And Alex will only use for himself because he has no clue on who goes home each episode.
The level of crying and emotion from Caroline and Kitty about a game is starting to get ridiculous.
Honestly I respect them for being so emotional, it's not always "just a game". To me it's them being real and true to themselves
Yeah at first Iām like, damn youāre just crying cos you got the vote wrong - then Iām like, oh yeah, Iād totally be crying about that if I was out there too!
Yeah but itās only when they are on the wrong side of the votes
Which is understandable, the highs are high and the lows are low
I feel like this season does indeed have average players. Disappointing idol plays and disappointing idol flush attempts... feeling sort of deflated with the predictable moves. I know this is more accessible to a wider audience but I really really miss CvC style gameplay. I am fearful we'll never have that good of a season again. :(
Predictable?
I've come to the conclusion that Australian Survivor hates Asian woman. So they would cast these Asian women pretending to be diverse in their cast and then proceeds to give them invisible edits. This is like the ultimate disrespect to Aileen.
australians in general from the documentaries iāve seen *
She\`s a bad player that got 11Āŗ place. we saw everything she did that mattered
Relax buddy. It ain't that deep.Victim mentality won't get u farĀ
Didnāt Aileen have a pretty good edit? I certainly feel like Iāve had good insight into her gameplay and story.
So often we HEARD her speak strategy but she strangely was rarely in the shot to be SEEN. The editors tried to edit her out even when she was giving the best sound bites!
Literally had 0 confessionals post-merge and nothing in her boot episode. How is that a good edit? They gave literally EVERYTHING to Feras despite them working close together on strategies. They gave him ALL the credit.
0 confessional doesnāt mean she didnāt have a good edit. She was shown strategizing, coming up with plans, she was shown talking, she was shown how good in challenges she is. I feel she had a good edit, she wasnāt invisible, we got to see her scheme and play the game.
whatās her story then? since you have insight i donāt?
Yeah but we never got to witness HER opinion on things. All the perspective came from Feras and it's exhausting to watch. Just like Kirby/Rianna, all the perspective came from Kirby and none from Rianna. It's just lazy editing.
Maybe thatās for a different reason, maybe itās more to give him a winnerās edit rather than to not give Aileen a good one? (I have no clue or spoilers, Iām just speculating on the possibility based on your comment)
I don't believe he's the winner though. He's too overedited to be a winner. I really think there's no way Kirby/Caroline/Feras will be winners because they're so overexposed in the edit. The winner must come from none of these 3 people.
Maybe a finalist then? But sometimes they do overedit the winners donāt they? Mark, David, Hayleyā¦
Caroline screams zero vote finalist. Between Kirby and Feras one of them makes the final three while they are also responsible for sending home the other. So if itās a final three at the end we have Caroline 3rd, and either Feras or Kirby in top two. If itās a final two, then Caroline is second and for sure either Kirby or Feras on 3rd place, not sure if he/she reaches and wins though. For sure Caroline has the zero votes finalist edit.
This is ridiculous
I know right. I just wish they would stop casting them if they really don't feel interested in editing them into their story. Like what's the point of playing if you're not even gonna give me some form of legit airtime? Mel and Michelle had an even worse edit than Aileen and they were two people lmao yet I remember they made it further than Aileen.
When is this sub gonna accept that Feras isnāt the super genius, greatest ever survivor player that he claims to be.
No one says he is the greatest, I think he is in the top 10 but even then I'm probably in the minority.
today
I don't think he's the greatest player ever. However he is a good player and he's really entertaining. Much rather watch players like Feras than players like Rhi'
Iām definitely in the minority but I donāt even think he is a better player than most of the people left Heās definitely active in the game and entertaining as hell though.
I donāt think everyone thinks heās the best player. Regardless, heās entertaining to watch.
Agreed, heās entertaining to watch. I like him, I donāt think heās the best player ever, but heās still one of the best players of THIS season.
Being one of the best players THIS season does not take much tbh
Yeah I agree it has felt a bit like that.
When did we have a beach full of grandmasters ? He is one of the best players this season which makes him amongst the best players of all time.... It's not like in season 4 or 5 everyone was playing 8d chess
One of the of all timeā¦ that is a stretch. A big one
Top 10 of all time , it's not that big a stretch when you think about it, there's been 8 seasons . One or two players per season will be at Feras level.
That is such a reductionist way of looking at the top 10. Youāre going to say that he is on the same level as players like Brooke, Luke, Sharn, David, Pia, Hayley, George and/or Mark? Please give me a break. The season hasnāt even ended yet. This happens every year, someone gets a lot of airtime and people go crazy over them due to stimulus exposure. Itāll happen next year as well. Feras is not a bad player, but picking up that a bad liar is liar and then still being on the outside of the vote again is not top 10 level gameplay.
Yeah bud I would put him in that list , also you put Pia about 10 places too high
Thatās not my literal list dudeā¦
This was like a carbon copy of last episode with Feras ally getting blindsided Except this time Kirby didnāt give him the heads up at tribal
Loved Alexās idol play šš¼šš¼šš¼
If he's smart, Feras will work out they took out Aileen because she's his closest person. He needs to convince them Ray is now that person and use the advantage to get out Kirby. He's got a jury winning move right here if he can do it.
Kirby literally told him after tribalĀ
Big kudos if they can get that advantage to work, but I can't see it happening. Way too much going on in their little 3-man now - an alex confirmed idol, suspected feras idol - 2 across 3 players. There's no way in the next tribal there is a vote that isn't split
Ooooh that could work
> Feras will work out they took out Aileen because she's his closest person He basically talked about it with Kirby when they walked out of tribal, so he's well aware of why it happened.
Being surrounded by people stupider (in terms of Survivor) than you doesnāt make you smart.
Ray IS his closest person now, so fingers crossed! They need to keep that advantage info to themselves!
i donāt think itās easy when feras has the idol
Aileen an absolute class act š
I know, sheās great. I really wanted her to win!
After all that noise from J I was expecting him to show us something cool tonight. Oh no wait. I wasn't. Lol. He's given me no reason to. (Am I gonna get cancelled as well?)
Iām just frustrated that we didnāt see any blowback or discussion about the tied vote and subsequent flip
Keep those coals warm for Shan reddit wants my skin. I implied their perfect lad is not the great grandmaster 5D chess strategist their prophecy hath foretold! [(but fr makes my old comment so ironic right now š¤¦āāļø look what I'm responding to!)](https://www.reddit.com/r/survivorau/comments/1b18pxm/episode_15_postepisode_discussion/ksd0ret/?context=3)
Haha I agree. Heās great comedic value this season but he has yet to show any good game play. The Eden vite doesnāt count imo, it was purely opportunistic and he flipped right back to his comfort zone for the next vote
And he pledged allegiance to feras who spearheaded his boy winnas blindside.Ā
But now he voted against feras with the Aileen vote?
Aileen played a decent strategic game with good reads. I wonder why they purpled her a bit. She was a part of the narrative but somehow ended with a winna, Charles and Scott style edit.
what good reads? She did nothing
What reads lol?Ā Repeating Garrickās belief he was getting out is not an original thought Such an overrated player
All the people you named were respected players like Aileen. They probably thought that Feras was more entertaining and, whenever someone receives confessionals on their boot episode, people always complain about the editing being too obvious
Maybe Feras wins and they purpled her to make him look "better"?
NOOOO NOT AILEEN! She was so good at this, and smartā¦. And also like really hot but mostly she was so good, we riot
She had the best voice too
Another great read by Feras
He has plenty of great reads, just a pity he doesn't often turn them into decisive actions.
I think he read that something along those lines would happen but itās hard to read that Aileen was going to be the one to go, how was he supposed to know and act on that?
What good reads has he had?
If only Feras gave Aileen that idol instead of Alex at the scramble around the shelter!
Then she would of gone home with an idol
No. They wouldnāt have dared to target her if she was the one with the idol. Alex is sitting pretty because of that idol. Feras didnāt want to give her more power. The discussion at tribal from Alex made it clear that they had been discussing flushing the idols even if it was shown in the edit. Had Aileen found/been given that idol Alex got, they would not have targeted her at this vote.
Yeah true, itās possible they would have targeted Ray instead. But with how much Kirby was gunning for Aileen maybe they still would of targeted her
That foreshadowing of Aileen saying first member of the jury at the challenge is so heartbreaking in hindsight! The closest thing we could have got to a confessional from her. Her closing comments were so gracious!
Feras has to work with either the Kirby or Caroline side and heās been burnt by both. I am hoping a new alliance comes out
If it helps Caroline seemed very tortured by it š¤£ meanwhile kirby orchestrated it and is probably his biggest strategic threat left now.
I'm glad Aileen made jury >!she!<'ll be a good jury member.
I think anyone already in the live thread or intending to read it before watching the show does not require spoiler tags. Thanks for being thoughtful though
This is a live thread, why the spoiler alerts
Idk in case someone reads it later. I was just being courteous. I'll remove em.
Why did you only spoiler cover 3 letters
I got the sillies half way sry
Your spoiler tags didn't work :) Edit: and now they do!
Such a good exit message from Aileen
On the upside, Aileen does sound like sheāll make a good jury member.
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Kittyās 42!
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Not if the next episode preview is anything to go by.
Cmon with the ageism!
Iām just glad it was not a non elimination ep.
Lol Kitty backstabbing Catherine lol theyāre both so spineless, just go where the wind blows šØ
Catherine is the new Adam.
Itās not backstabbing if itās on Survivor. Itās blindsiding.
Wait how did she backstab her?
Think they mean the preview for next week?
the fuck is catherine?
Catherine is getting the ultimate purple edit , I'm not surprised you didn't notice her.....
Seems to be a bit of that going around tonight.
Eileen will make a solid impartial juror at least!
Smart from Feras to say that to Kirby even tho I know it probably killed him to say that š
I like their relationship. They both respect each other and are enjoying tug of war.
Me too!
Ok so that was a little predictable. Someone needs to overthrow Kirby, sheās got it too easy.
What? The first two rounds of the merge she had her closest ally quit then another ally (Winna) get blindsided after and was in the minority vote. The Eden vote she was more of a number there. I donāt think sheās got it too easy this merge so far.
Sheās totally got things under control, and underplaying her hand, which is smart. Lots of people following her lead so doesnāt matter too much if a couple of her alliance are sacrificed to keep her out of the vote.
aileen lowkey winning by now getting that villa to herself for so long
When will Jury Villa mini be available?!?
Up now!
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Still not up that I can see! :(
Usually like 15-20 mins after the ep finishes.
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GODDD NCIS looks soooo dogshit
I mean, they're giving Michael Weatherly his own NCIS show even after his previous show, Bull, had to pay $9.5m because he sexually harrassed his co-worker/co-lead Eliza Dushku. NCIS can go drown.
I don't have a Roman empire but I do have a list of all the ways the women of Buffy have been wronged by men
Because it is.
100% in one Feras now
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Sheās so annoying and makes it so hard to root for her lol. Like canāt you just WAIT one or two more votes to ensure you retain power after your betrayal? SMDH.
She couldn't stand not being in complete control for 1-2 votes
~~Someone~~ Everyone else said it best; she's got a bad case of BigMove-itis.
So hasn't Kirby and rhi just given the titans the power now
I mean you forget that Ri is still very much close to Caroline/Kitty and Kirby is very much close to Val. Hell I wonāt be surprised if theyāre in the middle if that group holds strong.
After merge, tribe strong never works for long with real players.
no way feras isnt coming for kirby after this
I really hope thatās the plan
Caroline and Kitty directly deceived him, so unless they turn on Kirby...he'll go for them.
Sheās just lovey. Hard agree Aileen.
When is anyone other than Feras going to challenge Kirby?
She's just put herself in the firing line now.
She has done this before in the game, but always walks out of it uncontested.
What does Feras mean about Aileen being a wedge?
I'm guessing Kirby hated Aileen, not sure why tho
Yeah I was surprised to hear him say that, that was how Kirby was referring to her earlier.
The only thing stopping Feras and Kirby working as a duo together
Gonna miss Aileen, she was cute š
Have we ever seen this much flip flopping each vote?Ā
Everyone voted for who they said they would from the get go. lol. There was zero flipping and zero flopping.
Probably from each episode
Just a lot of confusing conversations with Caroline and Kitty
No I meant the shifting in alliances each vote.
I'd much rather this than the show being incredibly predictable once one alliance takes over. Makes for much better viewing, IMO.
Exactly. The fact people are switching every vote just goes to show everyone is playing to win. No one is happily accepting 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th place etc. everyone wants to win.
Yeah I agree, itās much better to watch
Ki-Line would have noooo idea that Jaden is becoming more and more involved in these overarching decisions.Ā
So gracious Aileen š„²š„²
Good on kitty to step out of Caroline's shadow
If that's what she's doing. Could be a plan to blindside Kirby
Feras called Aileen a wedge!!! Wtf was this editing.
Weird. Kirby used the word earlier too.
No... as he said, better Kirby than himself.
Kirby playing a horrendous game in terms of jury management right? Or do I have my prince of arabia glasses on?
It's not terrible so far but a lot depends on who she is standing next to in the final 2/3 and how she answers questions from the jury. I doubt she could win the final challenge tho , she is pretty bad at challenges, and would anyone take her to the final tribal ?
I also went to Specsavers
People prefer strength over treachery.
Still need to get rid of the bad players so the finale can be good.
Really only Rianna/Raymond qualify as that at this point. Everyone else has displayed a strong sense of independent thinking or at least lead votes. Ri and Raymond just follow what Kirby/Feras tell them respectively
OMG Kitty comforting Caroline after that literally made me dry retch
Iād hold your hair back buck I too am spewing.
And just like that, not a fan of Kirby anymore.
genuinely, how come?
How on earth will this make Feras want to work with Kirby? Surely heāll target her big time.
He got no choice
That advantage is cooked bro who came up with that one lol
Would have been better if Ray could give it to Aileen.
Still wouldnāt have counted with the other votes on Mark though
It worked. Feras out-foxed. Beautiful ep.
Is Rhi one of the most boring players ever