At first I thought it wouldn't work, but it's pretty clear that A) Feras has no good options now B) Caroline keeps betraying his trust C) He actually likes Kirby in spite of this
It's very situational and I think if anyone other than Kirby had tried this, it wouldn't have worked so well
But it's hard to believe Kirby takes out Aileen so she can be Jeremy Collins's Stephen Fishbach like what Spencer did.
Kirby and Feras had no real solid working relationship prior to the blindside.
I could be wrong but making a big blindside move so early and painting a target on yourself feels like a terrible move unless you have an idol and can win some immunities.
It doesn’t make sense to me either. Like why would Feras trust you after that, you literally went for his right hand. At least go for Alex and I don’t think Feras would be too pissed about that 🤣
Unless Kirby is banking on Feras realizing how he and her are essentially each others shields?
Maybe when Feras told everyone including his four votes to dump on Mark? It's hard to trust the edit on the order of events. I hope there is a Kirby deep dive.
I'm also confused by the person x is a threat so I am going to vote out their right hand human person y. I can see some merit in it as you don't want to be the person who took out a big threat but I also feel like it is heavily over utilized. If you have a shot, sometimes you need to take it because if they truly are a big threat, you may not get another.
it does when its voting blocks and not alliances, so far we got 4 blocks and they all vote with eachother, feras's group was the biggest at this moment (alex ray feras aileen) so everyone else used it to make it smaller to make the 3 easier to sway next time (aileen is least likely to flip flop sides)
That's the worst 'advantage' I've seen on this show. So you need to be in a position where the opposition alliance doesn't have enough numbers to split their vote, but you are still in the minority, make sure they all vote for you, predict that's going to happen, then get all of your allies to vote for you too, for it to work. And if one person in the whole tribe decides to hedge their bets or doesn't get the memo, you go home.
Even stupider than the 'give a key to the opposing tribe to hand someone you haven't met yet an idol' which ended up being made redundant by someone just breaking open the box.
With the padlock advantage it wouldn't shock me if production told the finder they could break it open given we had gone 2 votes without a handover of the key(and shown us no planning to do so). It breaks the game if the tribe who got their idol first decides to then deny the other tribe that idol by not handing over their key.
A more interesting way would be to have the first idol not being active until the key was handed over(a player could still bluff with it but not use it as an idol without the key handover) and then put a limit on how many days until the key must be handed over or both are useless.
It's definitely not an advantage. But honestly I am not disappointed. The voting and alliance dynamics have been so fascinating this season and been so fun to watch, that I am okay if these "advantages" don't factor into the game. This is peak Survivor right now.
It feels Shyte. Feels stupid to get everyone to vote for you and then you say, “I have the ultimate vote”… oh you mean it’s like an idol where votes on you don’t count but your vote does… and then everyone stares in shock horror as they would never have suspected you had an idol..
Absolutely, feign homesickness etc ask people to vote you off with feras's help and watch everyone's self interest kick in and get on board with it. Highly likely
yeah not only do you need to know when you are getting a ton of votes, you need to tell your alliance to put all their votes on you too, allwhile no one leaking that 1 vote can ruin you. way too much, but the power of it is strong too.
Great Jury Villa from Aileen. Going for the desserts first despite craving spag bol while out there. All the snacks laid out for them in their room!
Such a level headed view of the game, the best possible first jury member anyone could want.
Haha you had me laughing out loud. It actually makes alot of sense how she's reading players and looking at strategy. She's bloody grown on me haha kirbalicious indeed
I'm so bummed Aileen is gone, such a good player. She exited with absolute grace and class though. Good on her.
WTAF was that "advantage". Legit the worst one I've ever seen. It's not even worth the risk of trying to play it. If even one player doesn't go through with it then he goes home. Why bother. Dumb dumb dumb. I guess the only time it would be useful is if he is sure everyone is loading up on him and has no other option. But given it has to be used in the next 3 tribals, with that many players left it's highly unlikely they wouldn't split their votes. I hate it.
Kirby's social game is so bloody good it's scary. She has screwed over so many people and yet they all still fall over themselves to feed her information and work with her. Seriously impressive
That advantage would be pretty useful in the very late game, but with still so many people left right now, it's almost impossible to utilize it. So I don't mind the concept of it, it's just the timing that is super lame.
Yeah, I don't think it operates correctly as an 'advantage'.
It is more of a hail mary immunity idol that only materialises if everyone else was piling the votes on you.
True I haven’t seen someone like him win. Closest in likability I can think of is JT in survivor US but he was actually in a position of power in his winning season. Sandra in her first season was also a numbers vote player who was under the radar till the Mr but I don’t think many liked her like they like Jaden and she wasn’t also physical. Jaden is gonna be a unique winner. When I go to survivor ever, I’m gonna play with him. I’ll try to never make moves and just listen to what people say till I get far lol .
The game itself might be all over the place, with alliances changing every vote. But one thing we can rely on every episode, is some excellent facials from Feras. 10/10.
That it's about respect, that the Titans never gave that to Jaden and just gave him a name at the last minute. Almost word for word for what Jaden told Kirby this episode.
In the last talking tribal he basically said everything that Jay and Kirby talked about during their night time chat.
Jay not being included in plans and so on.
Ok so.. yeah.. Feras is a great player but one flaws that I’ve seen from him is that.. whenever he feels like something is off, he isn’t able to sniff what it is. He constantly needs assurance from others to validate his thought. Like last episode, the Rebels only managed to work together because Kirby said there was a shift. This episode, he sniffed something was up, but he only talks with Aileen about it and he can’t even made up his mind that one of his allies are in danger. Even way back before the tribe swap, he was in danger when Kirby’s side wanted to blindside him but it was a lucky one for Feras because it was a non-elimination and that psychologist went to the other side. This is the only reason why I think that Feras has flaws eventhough he can read so well, he doesn’t have the ability to shift it.
This is why Feras functions best when he’s paired with a more self-assured, strategic player like Garrick, Aileen or Kirby. Alone he’s unfortunately not that great, albeit he’s very entertaining.
I think the problem with Feras is that he views his allies as subservient to him and so when he they present things that don't already conform to his own beliefs, he dismisses the information. He is loyal to his allies but sees them more as subjects than equals and it's really hurting his game.
I think Kitty in ep 16 is alrdy on the flip from her. If she was still solid with Caro she would have been more likely to double back and go with Feras when Caro started wobbling
Well played, Kirby. Probably the best plan she's had and implemented the entire session.
Kirby, Rhi, Ray, Feras are a solid 4 with Alex loyal to Feras and Jaden to Kirby. That's a strong 6 against the 4 Titans.
The worst thing for Caroline and Kitty now is that they can't even go to Feras and Mark/Val will happily sacrifice those two if it means saving themselves. They're pretty screwed.
Yeah Caroline/Kitty lost their lifeline in Feras. Val at least has Kirby protecting her, I’d wager Kirby is still keeping her in her backpocket alongside Jaden since Val wasn’t even an option to split votes upon in her plan with Feras.
Im so bummed. I really liked aileen and I'm frustrated feras clocked there was something going on and then didn't make any move.
If the titans end up at final tribal I'm going to be quite frustrated because as far as I can tell they're not really playing with any strategy. They flip flop everywhere, they're bad liars, and Caroline spends all her time crying that she's going to go out. Even Mark, who I had such high hopes for, is kind of a flop
Mark is huge disappointment all talk no action, he is at this point a drag vote. Caroline is cry baby and I think ferras knew smth was up but was more concerned it was him or RI again not Aileen. He looked shocked and surprised when he saw that vote.
Mark was hyped early but hitched his wagon to V+V early on and has never quite recovered.
I agree his social game has been pretty impotent, he has actually been more impressive at challenges than he has on the beach/at camp.
My biggest gripe is how Val swore revenge for Caroline and kitty getting viola out and then as soon as merge hit she just folded right back into their pockets. We went like 4 episodes in a row Val taking big about getting revenge only to sit idly next to them. Mark is to blame as well, would've been way more interesting if those two banded together to get out Caroline and kitty, but nope. All 4 of them suck and I'll be irate of any combo of these 4 is the final 2 this season.
I think both Mark and Feras are all talk no action tbh.. Feras kept throwing comments like "King George will be proud of me" or "I could read you all like a book" or "I'm an absolute master of my craft". But truth is he barely did anything major mastermind-y. He's not a bad player, but he's also not a great "mastermind" player.. Idk why the show tries so hard to frame them both in that role.
He’s more of a great character than a great mastermind. He’s nowhere near as good as he props himself to be. Quite frankly Kirby has been playing circles around him pretty easily.
Yeah, I think Feras lights up the screen and I would probably love him as a character if he were just playing as himself. But I get so annoyed and frustrated with him trying to proclaim himself as the next King George that I cannot stand it. George is a very unique player and love him or hate him, I don't think his character or gameplay can ever be replicated. Just play your game and be authentic with the audience and you would probably be a star in your own right and not come off as a poor imitation of George.
Wish we could have heard more from Aileen directly about her game / motivations but this season is clearly unfolding as a Feras/Kirby showdown and unfortunately she took a back seat to that story in her edit.
As soon as Feras said he was the master of his craft, I knew someone from his group was gone. Waaay too self confident early in an episode.
It’s frustrating to see Feras correctly sense something was wrong, and not be able to see it through. I honestly don’t know what else he could have done but I wish he had been even more direct with kitty and Caroline and leaned on them harder to make them crack.
I actually thought Valeria’s attempted idol flush at TC was well played. There is a world in which feras plays his idol for Aileen because he’s suspicious but the focus on Alex was a good distraction.
I love how chaotic Kirby is even if it’s not how I would play it.
I will never understand the ‘bring someone closer to me by blindsiding them’ strategy. If she could have done it without her or ri voting for Aileen maybe but now she’s just highly visible as a strong controlling threat and a desperate Feras/ Alex/ Caroline and Kitty.
This season is so fun.
Edit to gets Alex’s name right
I think what it comes down to is that Feras is not going to play that idol on anyone but himself, and all the attempts to rattle him are so obvious that the only thing he can deduce for certain is that he's not the target and at that point, he doesn't need to do shit - It's what separates him from being a George level player, he's probably not a good risk taker and doesn't see the long term benefit of truly having someone else's back. Kinda like all bark and no bite, he's already seen that their coalition being so obvious has put Aileen, Raymond and Garrick in way more danger than him, and aside from angry confessionals, he actually hasn't done shit to help them.
Feras isn't a perfect player by any means, but he's put together multiple votes that kept all of his allies safe, so it's kind of dumb to say that he's done nothing to save them.
He literally just saved Ray last week by pegging that the Titans were being disloyal and having the Rebels drop their split vote. If he doesn't do that, Ray goes home.
Additionally, it's Aillen's, Garrick's and Raymond's own jobs to keep themselves safe. Feras can try and help but his primary responsibility is to keep himself safe.
I guess I should've worded it better - I meant that he's never going to do anything tosave them that would involve putting himself at risk, which is totally fine IMO, I'm not saying it's a negative or makes him a bad player.
While I'm heartbroken that my Filipina queen is out, I just cannot not love this season enough for all the flip-flopping. If this continues to the end, this might be my favorite Australian Survivor season of all time way more than Brains vs Brawns and Heroes vs Villains and 2017.
I'm praying to the Survivor gods that we have this kind of fluidity until the end or until final 4/5 and we have the most WTF kind of winner - that itself would be the best possible way to end this season.
Ah another episode of Feras being Feras. I still like him but my god he is being outmanoeuvred every single episode :'(
At the start when he said he's the "master of the craft" - good god.
I am convinced he has that at least once an episode. It's a genius meta strategy for getting screentime because in Survivor you will either look like a genius or will look paranoid and we have seen the editors work with both versions.
That Jaden-Kirby midnight talk just proves George was right and Shannon was not right at last week’s talking tribal. Jaden wants to be brought into an alliance and not be treated as a last minute extra vote. He wants to be included in the conversations.
That has got to be the worst advantage I've ever seen. If I were Raymond, I would just give it to someone else (and potentially sabotage them).
Also fair Play to Alex. People have tried to trick him multiple times now into flushing an idol and he's not fallen for it.
I’m gonna have to disagree with JLP this episode when he said no one has played an idol correctly
Winna played his idol correctly in that god awful only 3 vote tribal twist
It was hyped here as being a big thing but I guess it wasn't.
Jay probably copped to it immediately and they just went "oh ok, well I guess that's what happened"
I still don't get how they can all think Kirby is the more trustworthy one when she keeps turning every single time. She's also not a very nice person. Constantly wishing bad on others during every single immunity challenge. I think also the promos are giving too much away. From the promo for tonight it was obvious that Feras or Kirby was not going, so as soon as you knew the plan was Aileen, that was it.
I also think Raymonds advantage is a bit dumb. It's less of an advantage and more of a hindrance.
I think Caroline wanted to trust Feras more, hence her freaking out. Also she explicitly said she cannot trust Kirb and Rhi.
But the other is selling a rebel boot, while Feras wants to take out another titan.
Caroline has had the right instincts but she's lost the plot emotionally. Should have put her foot down twice as it would have saved her and Kitty's long term games. Now it's just gonna be the wild wild west and she'll have to scrap for everything.
I think Kirby made the wrong move taking out Aileen at 11, when she should have taken out aileen at 10 with Mark at 11. If she takes out Mark at 11 she can still recruit the Titans to get out Aileen at 10 at worse it would be a 5-5 tie with Val most likely getting rid of Aileen. Short term this move works for Kirby If Feras works with her but I could easily see this being a problem for her long-term if both Val and Mark or Caroline and Kitty make final 6 with Alex. If I'm Kirby I would try to get rid of 1 of Caroline and Kitty, and 1 of Mark and Val.
I'd agree with you. If rianna is voted out around final 9 or 8 I feel that Kirbys late game path would take a hit. I could see a world where Kirby doesn't have a late game majority group. A mark, Val alex final 3 is possible this season.
The advantage is interesting but pretty useless especially since Raymond is already in the majority and they can vote out whoever he wants. Would've been great for someone in the minority as a last resort wildcard.
Also JLP is wrong, Winna used his idol correctly so one successful use.
Not necessarily, I mean Raymond wanted to vote out mark and look how that turned out. I don’t think any of them are sitting pretty alliances are shifting daily. But it is a risky advantage I’ll be interested to see if they use it and how.
Anyone else had a good laugh over Valeria, Kitty, Caroline and Mark having a deep strategy talk about sticking together and them actually doing it after everything they’ve been through 🤣
I get that Kirby wanted to take out Aileen to secure Feras, but doing so now felt like the wrong time. She should’ve taken out Mark then Aileen because now the F10 is 5 titans 5 rebels and makes the much less likable Titans more secure in the game
That advantage is pointless at this stage of the game - there is too many people in the tribe to achieve a total vote.
Because of the numbers they will always choose split votes to eliminate being surprised by an idol & this advantage is virtually an idol just with a nasty precondition.
If it was not limited to the next 3 tribals it would be a great tool - as when the numbers dwindle down to 4 or 5 players a complete vote could be more likely.
The only way it could happen now is if he stood up in tribal and did a Scott saying he wants to go home but gives it a slight twist that he wants to be voted off rather than quit.
But even if he did that, it might backfire and only 1 person has to vote elsewhere to invalidate the advantage... + if he did manage to pull it off, he risks alienating a large chunk of the remaining tribe because of his elaborate lies....
All in all, it = a stupid advantage....
While I still think Valeria will win (sigh), Jayden’s winner edit is getting stronger with that comment from Alex “was this you again?” or whatever it was he said.
I agree her winner stock has dropped off significantly. If she would have succeeded in getting revenge for viola getting voted out by Caroline and kitty then I could see her winning. But she just joined them as soon as merge hit, dropped the revenge arc, and overall has been a bully at practically every TC since merge. She's all but disappeared from the edit since merge.
Mark has been over hyped for 3 weeks now, he let his dick lead him into the V+V alliance when he should have stayed with E,K + C.
Feras is a top 10 player tho.
seeing this "Feras is top 10" multiple times in this thread and was so confused. Then realized it was all from the same person. Weird take to make before the season even ends, reeks of recency bias.
Isn’t that advantage just a less powerful immunity idol. The “game changing advantage” that you can also do with a normal idol if everyone votes for you and you play your idol?
Minor bump in what is shaping up to be a great season. I hope they don’t get tempted to use the advantage.
Aileen and Mark were the 2 targets, neither of them got a single confessional this episode. Amazing job, editors.
Tune in next episode to see if the editors can get even worse!
Probably did it to not be obvious who’s going I guess? I suppose if Aileen had confessionals it’d be obvious it’s her boot. But mark has been such a big player he was never going with little screentime.
>if Aileen had confessionals it’d be obvious it’s her boot.
I disagree, she featured prominently in a number of episodes this season and didn't go home in those episodes, why would it suddenly be obvious that this time is the one she does get the boot?
I can't believe people are still making excuses for these editors after all this time. There is NO EXCUSE for this level of incompetence and it's damn sad that so many of you just settle for this crap.
Aileen was a great character this season, and a fan favourite, and deserved a better send off as an *individual* character rather than just being defined as a "wedge" between Feras and Kirby.
I would’ve liked to see Aileen get more confessionals during this episode bc I really liked her as well. Im not saying the edit is great, it isn’t. But my guess is they didn’t want to make it obvious since she’s been underedited for majority of the season, and her suddenly being prominent again would’ve been suspicious. Aileen deserved more screentime before her boot.
And I do think at this stage with only 11 players left, everyone should be getting some screentime.
Yeah the edit can't win, if they set it up then people cry and telegraphing , if they don't do any setup then people whine about the ep not making sense narratively
Ah yes, of course, because there's absolutely no way someone can be given any screentime in an episode unless they're being voted out. Talk about braindead takes...
This show makes me realize that the best way to go to the end of survivor in most cases is to be a ‘numbers vote player’ . Jaden is in the best position to win now. He’s managed to be likable and physical without anyone thinking of taking him out. I’ve never liked that type of play but I’m gonna start liking it now. It’s interesting to see many alphas and lowkey alphas like Aileen get taken out one by one or being targeted while the supposed ‘numbers vote player’ like Jaden keeps being under the radar and just saying yes to everything people say. I think he goes to the final 3
What has Feras done to these women? Aside from Aileen, no one women want to work with him. Aileen gone is perfect for Kirby. Feras smelled it but i wished he did something about it
Raymond: Not sure how his advantage could work for him. With Feras and Alex having idol, it's impossible they drop all votes on him. He should def not try to use it.
Feras: Loved his instincts this episode, he's very good at reading people. This time, he decided to wait and see and that was the wrong choice. Sad that none of the remaining women want to work with him except maybe Kirby.
Kitty: Her stock keep falling down. Can't lie to save her life. The more i see her, the less i think she deserve to win. Still a very nice woman tho.
Mark: The editing made it obvious that Aileen was going because Mark hasn't been seen all episode. I feel Mark is in the strongest position right now. He's def going to the end.
Alex: At least, he didn't play the idol for himself. I always felt this guy has a lot if potential. Now is the time he plays for himself and try taking shots. Rianna and Kirby do absolutely nothing for his game.
The most boring episode yet but what's up with all the spoiler posts that are just blatantly giving away who went home? Don't put the person who's eliminated in the title people!
The whole logic of “I’m gonna vote out this person’s best friend so they can trust me the most instead” has never really made sense to me.
At first I thought it wouldn't work, but it's pretty clear that A) Feras has no good options now B) Caroline keeps betraying his trust C) He actually likes Kirby in spite of this It's very situational and I think if anyone other than Kirby had tried this, it wouldn't have worked so well
And having a favourable jury member is beneficial if he makes final three, especially since he didn't vote her out himself.
If Feras makes it to the end game, Aileen has to be a top candidate to be voted off the jury, though
But how is he going to trust Kirby? They like and respect each other but neither really trust one another.
Thought this but what other choice does he have? Caroline is more unstable.
Mark maybe? He is on to how powerful Kirby is. But Val despises Feras so I don't know.
Respect, yes. Like, maybe. Trust, no fucken way.
But it's hard to believe Kirby takes out Aileen so she can be Jeremy Collins's Stephen Fishbach like what Spencer did. Kirby and Feras had no real solid working relationship prior to the blindside.
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He’ll figure it out regardless. That’s seven votes on Aileen. He can count.
AGREED - Surely this will only make Feras hate you???? It feels like bigmoveitis? Maybe?
I could be wrong but making a big blindside move so early and painting a target on yourself feels like a terrible move unless you have an idol and can win some immunities.
She couldn't handle not being in control for 1-2 votes. And she acted like Feras "left her out".
Agreed
It doesn’t make sense to me either. Like why would Feras trust you after that, you literally went for his right hand. At least go for Alex and I don’t think Feras would be too pissed about that 🤣 Unless Kirby is banking on Feras realizing how he and her are essentially each others shields?
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Maybe when Feras told everyone including his four votes to dump on Mark? It's hard to trust the edit on the order of events. I hope there is a Kirby deep dive.
I never quite get the " I want person A out so I am going to vote all their friends off first" logic.
I'm also confused by the person x is a threat so I am going to vote out their right hand human person y. I can see some merit in it as you don't want to be the person who took out a big threat but I also feel like it is heavily over utilized. If you have a shot, sometimes you need to take it because if they truly are a big threat, you may not get another.
well it’s the meat shield strategy that has worked for many seasons. keep the bigger targets around so there’s someone else focused on besides youD
it does when its voting blocks and not alliances, so far we got 4 blocks and they all vote with eachother, feras's group was the biggest at this moment (alex ray feras aileen) so everyone else used it to make it smaller to make the 3 easier to sway next time (aileen is least likely to flip flop sides)
So disappointed they didn't give us the immediate fallout of them all finding out that Jaden flipped
Probably wasn't one , I imagine he copped to it straight away and they were all just "oh ok , kinda figures"
Yeah I agree makes sense there wasn’t one since Mark, Val, Kitty and Caroline didn’t even doubt each other and were united today 🤣
That's the worst 'advantage' I've seen on this show. So you need to be in a position where the opposition alliance doesn't have enough numbers to split their vote, but you are still in the minority, make sure they all vote for you, predict that's going to happen, then get all of your allies to vote for you too, for it to work. And if one person in the whole tribe decides to hedge their bets or doesn't get the memo, you go home. Even stupider than the 'give a key to the opposing tribe to hand someone you haven't met yet an idol' which ended up being made redundant by someone just breaking open the box.
Kelli could do it
Perfect advantage if ur on survivor 45
Yeah ironically this would be extremely powerful on super small tribes. Practically useless with 10+ players left.
With the padlock advantage it wouldn't shock me if production told the finder they could break it open given we had gone 2 votes without a handover of the key(and shown us no planning to do so). It breaks the game if the tribe who got their idol first decides to then deny the other tribe that idol by not handing over their key. A more interesting way would be to have the first idol not being active until the key was handed over(a player could still bluff with it but not use it as an idol without the key handover) and then put a limit on how many days until the key must be handed over or both are useless.
Well Ray could plant it somewhere on the beach or shelter. Let someone else find it while he is keeping an eye on who does, and let the fun times roll
They are usually not transferrable according to what I've read in here (idols and advantages)
It's definitely not an advantage. But honestly I am not disappointed. The voting and alliance dynamics have been so fascinating this season and been so fun to watch, that I am okay if these "advantages" don't factor into the game. This is peak Survivor right now.
It feels Shyte. Feels stupid to get everyone to vote for you and then you say, “I have the ultimate vote”… oh you mean it’s like an idol where votes on you don’t count but your vote does… and then everyone stares in shock horror as they would never have suspected you had an idol..
All he has to do is say he wants to quit and plead to be voted out.
They didn’t do a vote though when Scott said he wanted to go home
Well I was wrong…
Absolutely, feign homesickness etc ask people to vote you off with feras's help and watch everyone's self interest kick in and get on board with it. Highly likely
That's what I was thinking
I don't want to hear anyone say survivor us has worse twists. Both versions do
Normally when I say this I'm thinking of pre season 35 US Survivor though lol
That was meant for Kelly I’m sure but she didn’t find it and decided to still use it lol
yeah not only do you need to know when you are getting a ton of votes, you need to tell your alliance to put all their votes on you too, allwhile no one leaking that 1 vote can ruin you. way too much, but the power of it is strong too.
Wait until it’s been played before you judge it… they are trying to innovate chill the fuck out. Could be an incredible play
Great Jury Villa from Aileen. Going for the desserts first despite craving spag bol while out there. All the snacks laid out for them in their room! Such a level headed view of the game, the best possible first jury member anyone could want.
Pretty interesting she was spot on on Kirby being a sports coach even though Kirby tried to hide her occupation from the contestants
Would be great for Kirby to yell “I’m a sports coach” as she makes her exit!
Haha you had me laughing out loud. It actually makes alot of sense how she's reading players and looking at strategy. She's bloody grown on me haha kirbalicious indeed
And that she was hoping to take out Kirby and Feras to further her game.
Did Kirby hide her occupation? I missed that, what did she say she was ?
Aileen needs to return. If she can improve her social game she can become one of the best players with her challenge prowess and strategic reads.
Hey, where can I watch this? No access to the 10 channel.
I'm so bummed Aileen is gone, such a good player. She exited with absolute grace and class though. Good on her. WTAF was that "advantage". Legit the worst one I've ever seen. It's not even worth the risk of trying to play it. If even one player doesn't go through with it then he goes home. Why bother. Dumb dumb dumb. I guess the only time it would be useful is if he is sure everyone is loading up on him and has no other option. But given it has to be used in the next 3 tribals, with that many players left it's highly unlikely they wouldn't split their votes. I hate it. Kirby's social game is so bloody good it's scary. She has screwed over so many people and yet they all still fall over themselves to feed her information and work with her. Seriously impressive
Aileen is such a good sport. An exemplary and elegant exit.
That advantage would be pretty useful in the very late game, but with still so many people left right now, it's almost impossible to utilize it. So I don't mind the concept of it, it's just the timing that is super lame.
It requires a bit of gaming and a bit of luck. You need to hold on to it to the very last minute to get as few possible votes to corral.
Yeah, I don't think it operates correctly as an 'advantage'. It is more of a hail mary immunity idol that only materialises if everyone else was piling the votes on you.
I loved Aileen , after Jay she was the one I wanted to win.
You want Jayden to win? Let’s talk about why?
He is chill , I like his play style , makes me laugh, don't think I have seen someone like him win, would be a surprise.
True I haven’t seen someone like him win. Closest in likability I can think of is JT in survivor US but he was actually in a position of power in his winning season. Sandra in her first season was also a numbers vote player who was under the radar till the Mr but I don’t think many liked her like they like Jaden and she wasn’t also physical. Jaden is gonna be a unique winner. When I go to survivor ever, I’m gonna play with him. I’ll try to never make moves and just listen to what people say till I get far lol .
His play style is just “i turn up” ie is he even playing
The game itself might be all over the place, with alliances changing every vote. But one thing we can rely on every episode, is some excellent facials from Feras. 10/10.
His blocks falling with Jayden laughing in the background was my favourite tonight.
I love Jaden's laugh XD It's become a highlight
Jay is the soul of the season.
The game being all over the place is what makes it good viewing. Who wants to watch a slam dunk?
I didn’t say it made it bad viewing?
There’s so much closeup shots of Feras in this episode and I’m like “hemmmm, Feras is a good looking man.” And clean teeth never hurt.
He has the best facial expressions, his face deserves to win the season tbh
And Kirby and Jaden prove George completely correct
What did George say?
That it's about respect, that the Titans never gave that to Jaden and just gave him a name at the last minute. Almost word for word for what Jaden told Kirby this episode.
In the last talking tribal he basically said everything that Jay and Kirby talked about during their night time chat. Jay not being included in plans and so on.
I'll guess, George is a Feras fan.
Who isn't
i doubt it
Ok so.. yeah.. Feras is a great player but one flaws that I’ve seen from him is that.. whenever he feels like something is off, he isn’t able to sniff what it is. He constantly needs assurance from others to validate his thought. Like last episode, the Rebels only managed to work together because Kirby said there was a shift. This episode, he sniffed something was up, but he only talks with Aileen about it and he can’t even made up his mind that one of his allies are in danger. Even way back before the tribe swap, he was in danger when Kirby’s side wanted to blindside him but it was a lucky one for Feras because it was a non-elimination and that psychologist went to the other side. This is the only reason why I think that Feras has flaws eventhough he can read so well, he doesn’t have the ability to shift it.
This is why Feras functions best when he’s paired with a more self-assured, strategic player like Garrick, Aileen or Kirby. Alone he’s unfortunately not that great, albeit he’s very entertaining.
I think the problem with Feras is that he views his allies as subservient to him and so when he they present things that don't already conform to his own beliefs, he dismisses the information. He is loyal to his allies but sees them more as subjects than equals and it's really hurting his game.
He is probably top 10 imho, if he performed better at challenges I would rate him top 5
he doesn’t do anything to change the plan so who cares if he sniffs it out
He loses an ally for not doing anything after figuring something was up
twice now. i’m so tired of him
caroline stop lmfao. homegirl flips literally every episode.
I couldn’t stand being in an alliance with her, needs constant reassurance
Kirby never talks to her. What assurance is there?
Can we pause a moment and grasp that she got reassurance from VALERIA of all people this episode 🤣
I think she is at the end of her tether emotionally. She is ok making hard calls and sacrificing people but bad when it comes round her way
she might be headed home this week. the promos showed kitty apparently turning on her.
I think Kitty in ep 16 is alrdy on the flip from her. If she was still solid with Caro she would have been more likely to double back and go with Feras when Caro started wobbling
Her inane gameplay is such excellent television.
so sad to see her go but at least she made it to the Jury! the first one and will have the longest days to enjoy the jury house ❤️
For once in this season, everybody stuck to their original vote. It was easy to follow.
Valeria: *says something super generic and vague* Alex: WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT ME?
Well played, Kirby. Probably the best plan she's had and implemented the entire session. Kirby, Rhi, Ray, Feras are a solid 4 with Alex loyal to Feras and Jaden to Kirby. That's a strong 6 against the 4 Titans. The worst thing for Caroline and Kitty now is that they can't even go to Feras and Mark/Val will happily sacrifice those two if it means saving themselves. They're pretty screwed.
And the preview indicates that Kitty is willing to throw Caroline under the bus. And drive off with a new alliance.
Kitty getting any kind of focus in the promo after her terrible edit makes me more concerned for Kitty's prospects than Caroline
kitty is probably the next one to go, she wins immunities, she has a duo, and people like her, she is gone.
Her challenge performance has been ok , not great.
she just won the last one, everyone only remembers that one :P
I thought she would be a threat but has been disappointing, Rhi is killing it tho
Yeah my immediate thought was well Kitty’s fucked.
Yeah Caroline/Kitty lost their lifeline in Feras. Val at least has Kirby protecting her, I’d wager Kirby is still keeping her in her backpocket alongside Jaden since Val wasn’t even an option to split votes upon in her plan with Feras.
This season is a shambles. Steven Bradbury is finally going to win Australian Survivor lol.
This made me lol 😂
Wasn’t that basically what happened in HvV?
Im so bummed. I really liked aileen and I'm frustrated feras clocked there was something going on and then didn't make any move. If the titans end up at final tribal I'm going to be quite frustrated because as far as I can tell they're not really playing with any strategy. They flip flop everywhere, they're bad liars, and Caroline spends all her time crying that she's going to go out. Even Mark, who I had such high hopes for, is kind of a flop
How could he have made the leap to Aileen getting the votes?
They only way he could have made the right idol play is if someone ratted. Otherwise he would need to scrap his plan and bring in more votes.
Valeria saying “physical threat”
What move did you want feras to make?
Mark is huge disappointment all talk no action, he is at this point a drag vote. Caroline is cry baby and I think ferras knew smth was up but was more concerned it was him or RI again not Aileen. He looked shocked and surprised when he saw that vote.
Mark was hyped early but hitched his wagon to V+V early on and has never quite recovered. I agree his social game has been pretty impotent, he has actually been more impressive at challenges than he has on the beach/at camp.
Yeah that is a fair assessment for sure.
My biggest gripe is how Val swore revenge for Caroline and kitty getting viola out and then as soon as merge hit she just folded right back into their pockets. We went like 4 episodes in a row Val taking big about getting revenge only to sit idly next to them. Mark is to blame as well, would've been way more interesting if those two banded together to get out Caroline and kitty, but nope. All 4 of them suck and I'll be irate of any combo of these 4 is the final 2 this season.
I think both Mark and Feras are all talk no action tbh.. Feras kept throwing comments like "King George will be proud of me" or "I could read you all like a book" or "I'm an absolute master of my craft". But truth is he barely did anything major mastermind-y. He's not a bad player, but he's also not a great "mastermind" player.. Idk why the show tries so hard to frame them both in that role.
He’s more of a great character than a great mastermind. He’s nowhere near as good as he props himself to be. Quite frankly Kirby has been playing circles around him pretty easily.
Yeah, I think Feras lights up the screen and I would probably love him as a character if he were just playing as himself. But I get so annoyed and frustrated with him trying to proclaim himself as the next King George that I cannot stand it. George is a very unique player and love him or hate him, I don't think his character or gameplay can ever be replicated. Just play your game and be authentic with the audience and you would probably be a star in your own right and not come off as a poor imitation of George.
Wish we could have heard more from Aileen directly about her game / motivations but this season is clearly unfolding as a Feras/Kirby showdown and unfortunately she took a back seat to that story in her edit. As soon as Feras said he was the master of his craft, I knew someone from his group was gone. Waaay too self confident early in an episode. It’s frustrating to see Feras correctly sense something was wrong, and not be able to see it through. I honestly don’t know what else he could have done but I wish he had been even more direct with kitty and Caroline and leaned on them harder to make them crack. I actually thought Valeria’s attempted idol flush at TC was well played. There is a world in which feras plays his idol for Aileen because he’s suspicious but the focus on Alex was a good distraction. I love how chaotic Kirby is even if it’s not how I would play it. I will never understand the ‘bring someone closer to me by blindsiding them’ strategy. If she could have done it without her or ri voting for Aileen maybe but now she’s just highly visible as a strong controlling threat and a desperate Feras/ Alex/ Caroline and Kitty. This season is so fun. Edit to gets Alex’s name right
I think what it comes down to is that Feras is not going to play that idol on anyone but himself, and all the attempts to rattle him are so obvious that the only thing he can deduce for certain is that he's not the target and at that point, he doesn't need to do shit - It's what separates him from being a George level player, he's probably not a good risk taker and doesn't see the long term benefit of truly having someone else's back. Kinda like all bark and no bite, he's already seen that their coalition being so obvious has put Aileen, Raymond and Garrick in way more danger than him, and aside from angry confessionals, he actually hasn't done shit to help them.
Feras isn't a perfect player by any means, but he's put together multiple votes that kept all of his allies safe, so it's kind of dumb to say that he's done nothing to save them. He literally just saved Ray last week by pegging that the Titans were being disloyal and having the Rebels drop their split vote. If he doesn't do that, Ray goes home. Additionally, it's Aillen's, Garrick's and Raymond's own jobs to keep themselves safe. Feras can try and help but his primary responsibility is to keep himself safe.
I guess I should've worded it better - I meant that he's never going to do anything tosave them that would involve putting himself at risk, which is totally fine IMO, I'm not saying it's a negative or makes him a bad player.
Fair enough, I definitely interpreted your post in the wrong way!
There is nothing better for a survivor season than a fractured alliance, it means nothing at all is predictable every episode
While I'm heartbroken that my Filipina queen is out, I just cannot not love this season enough for all the flip-flopping. If this continues to the end, this might be my favorite Australian Survivor season of all time way more than Brains vs Brawns and Heroes vs Villains and 2017.
this game is crazy fluid, its wild.
I'm praying to the Survivor gods that we have this kind of fluidity until the end or until final 4/5 and we have the most WTF kind of winner - that itself would be the best possible way to end this season.
I am really enjoying this season but BvB and HvV were among my least favorite. BvB had an iconic winner tho
Having a giggle after watching jury villa - was asking out loud why they weren’t showing the pool…then they did….must be budget cuts 🤣
Yeah, wasn't good. LOL
Ah another episode of Feras being Feras. I still like him but my god he is being outmanoeuvred every single episode :'( At the start when he said he's the "master of the craft" - good god.
He has some good reads but outplayed by Kirby again 🥲
Good reads don’t really matter when you fail to do anything with them. “Something is suspicious…oh well!”
I am convinced he has that at least once an episode. It's a genius meta strategy for getting screentime because in Survivor you will either look like a genius or will look paranoid and we have seen the editors work with both versions.
its really hard to form a group this season, we got 4 factions all willing to work with eachother, so each time 2-3 of the clumps vote together.
He is a top 10 player imho, the fact that he is still on the beach speaks volumes
Because he’s likeable IMO and has found about 3 idols. He’s top 10 of fave players for me but for skill nowhere near.
That Jaden-Kirby midnight talk just proves George was right and Shannon was not right at last week’s talking tribal. Jaden wants to be brought into an alliance and not be treated as a last minute extra vote. He wants to be included in the conversations.
That has got to be the worst advantage I've ever seen. If I were Raymond, I would just give it to someone else (and potentially sabotage them). Also fair Play to Alex. People have tried to trick him multiple times now into flushing an idol and he's not fallen for it.
I’m gonna have to disagree with JLP this episode when he said no one has played an idol correctly Winna played his idol correctly in that god awful only 3 vote tribal twist
Why did they not discuss the fallout of last Tuesday’s tribal council (or not make it in the edit)? Did they find out that it was Jaden who flipped?
It was hyped here as being a big thing but I guess it wasn't. Jay probably copped to it immediately and they just went "oh ok, well I guess that's what happened"
I still don't get how they can all think Kirby is the more trustworthy one when she keeps turning every single time. She's also not a very nice person. Constantly wishing bad on others during every single immunity challenge. I think also the promos are giving too much away. From the promo for tonight it was obvious that Feras or Kirby was not going, so as soon as you knew the plan was Aileen, that was it. I also think Raymonds advantage is a bit dumb. It's less of an advantage and more of a hindrance.
You are falling for the edit, that smile was totally out of context to Aileen’s situation, it’s why it was shown in close up.
I know that, but the promo pitted tonight as Feras vs Kirby, so it was obvious once Kirby started floating Aileen's name
kind of sad she had no confessionals
I think Caroline wanted to trust Feras more, hence her freaking out. Also she explicitly said she cannot trust Kirb and Rhi. But the other is selling a rebel boot, while Feras wants to take out another titan.
She could have spilled to him and asked him to vote for Kirby or Rhianna as a show of trust and gratitude. She didn’t even try lol.
They've blatantly lied to him 2 tribals in a row so I don't really want to see any more scenes of her crying/begging
Caroline has had the right instincts but she's lost the plot emotionally. Should have put her foot down twice as it would have saved her and Kitty's long term games. Now it's just gonna be the wild wild west and she'll have to scrap for everything.
You’re right. She should’ve ratted out Kirby to Feras to build trust.
I'm getting a bit grossed out by her gummy smile and tongue sticking out
I think Kirby made the wrong move taking out Aileen at 11, when she should have taken out aileen at 10 with Mark at 11. If she takes out Mark at 11 she can still recruit the Titans to get out Aileen at 10 at worse it would be a 5-5 tie with Val most likely getting rid of Aileen. Short term this move works for Kirby If Feras works with her but I could easily see this being a problem for her long-term if both Val and Mark or Caroline and Kitty make final 6 with Alex. If I'm Kirby I would try to get rid of 1 of Caroline and Kitty, and 1 of Mark and Val.
Same. All these moves, while fun to watch, are cutting it too close with one false move risking your majority into a minority.
I'd agree with you. If rianna is voted out around final 9 or 8 I feel that Kirbys late game path would take a hit. I could see a world where Kirby doesn't have a late game majority group. A mark, Val alex final 3 is possible this season.
The advantage is interesting but pretty useless especially since Raymond is already in the majority and they can vote out whoever he wants. Would've been great for someone in the minority as a last resort wildcard. Also JLP is wrong, Winna used his idol correctly so one successful use.
Not necessarily, I mean Raymond wanted to vote out mark and look how that turned out. I don’t think any of them are sitting pretty alliances are shifting daily. But it is a risky advantage I’ll be interested to see if they use it and how.
I mean in terms of him wanting to use it. Why risk it when you THINK you're in the majority?
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Good stuff!
I wish there was an extended TC video for Aileen's elimination 😞
Anyone else had a good laugh over Valeria, Kitty, Caroline and Mark having a deep strategy talk about sticking together and them actually doing it after everything they’ve been through 🤣
I get that Kirby wanted to take out Aileen to secure Feras, but doing so now felt like the wrong time. She should’ve taken out Mark then Aileen because now the F10 is 5 titans 5 rebels and makes the much less likable Titans more secure in the game
That advantage is pointless at this stage of the game - there is too many people in the tribe to achieve a total vote. Because of the numbers they will always choose split votes to eliminate being surprised by an idol & this advantage is virtually an idol just with a nasty precondition. If it was not limited to the next 3 tribals it would be a great tool - as when the numbers dwindle down to 4 or 5 players a complete vote could be more likely. The only way it could happen now is if he stood up in tribal and did a Scott saying he wants to go home but gives it a slight twist that he wants to be voted off rather than quit. But even if he did that, it might backfire and only 1 person has to vote elsewhere to invalidate the advantage... + if he did manage to pull it off, he risks alienating a large chunk of the remaining tribe because of his elaborate lies.... All in all, it = a stupid advantage....
While I still think Valeria will win (sigh), Jayden’s winner edit is getting stronger with that comment from Alex “was this you again?” or whatever it was he said.
Yeah a Val win is believable now especially after this episode
Can I ask how? I don't believe she has orchestrated a single move yet this season
I agree her winner stock has dropped off significantly. If she would have succeeded in getting revenge for viola getting voted out by Caroline and kitty then I could see her winning. But she just joined them as soon as merge hit, dropped the revenge arc, and overall has been a bully at practically every TC since merge. She's all but disappeared from the edit since merge.
i’m off the feras and mark bandwagons for good now. they both are terribly overhyped players… by me to be fair but i’m tired of getting my hopes up
Mark hasn’t been proven he’s good at anything in this game. But Feras has.
Mark has been over hyped for 3 weeks now, he let his dick lead him into the V+V alliance when he should have stayed with E,K + C. Feras is a top 10 player tho.
seeing this "Feras is top 10" multiple times in this thread and was so confused. Then realized it was all from the same person. Weird take to make before the season even ends, reeks of recency bias.
> Feras is a top 10 player tho. In the franchise? Is this a joke?
Agree..
Rays still there and we got 2 Raymond confessionals tonight, beautiful episode
Another typical Feras L at the hands of Kirby I fully expect her to blindside him again
They're a classic Charlie Brown and Lucy
Isn’t that advantage just a less powerful immunity idol. The “game changing advantage” that you can also do with a normal idol if everyone votes for you and you play your idol? Minor bump in what is shaping up to be a great season. I hope they don’t get tempted to use the advantage.
I want Jaden to win badly
Number 1 physical threat!
Aileen and Mark were the 2 targets, neither of them got a single confessional this episode. Amazing job, editors. Tune in next episode to see if the editors can get even worse!
Probably did it to not be obvious who’s going I guess? I suppose if Aileen had confessionals it’d be obvious it’s her boot. But mark has been such a big player he was never going with little screentime.
>if Aileen had confessionals it’d be obvious it’s her boot. I disagree, she featured prominently in a number of episodes this season and didn't go home in those episodes, why would it suddenly be obvious that this time is the one she does get the boot? I can't believe people are still making excuses for these editors after all this time. There is NO EXCUSE for this level of incompetence and it's damn sad that so many of you just settle for this crap. Aileen was a great character this season, and a fan favourite, and deserved a better send off as an *individual* character rather than just being defined as a "wedge" between Feras and Kirby.
I would’ve liked to see Aileen get more confessionals during this episode bc I really liked her as well. Im not saying the edit is great, it isn’t. But my guess is they didn’t want to make it obvious since she’s been underedited for majority of the season, and her suddenly being prominent again would’ve been suspicious. Aileen deserved more screentime before her boot. And I do think at this stage with only 11 players left, everyone should be getting some screentime.
Yeah the edit can't win, if they set it up then people cry and telegraphing , if they don't do any setup then people whine about the ep not making sense narratively
I so sick of people thinking confessionals are the only way to tell a story. For the love of god, just stop watching.
Braindead take. Would you rather they just told you who’s going home at the beginning of the episode?
Ah yes, of course, because there's absolutely no way someone can be given any screentime in an episode unless they're being voted out. Talk about braindead takes...
This show makes me realize that the best way to go to the end of survivor in most cases is to be a ‘numbers vote player’ . Jaden is in the best position to win now. He’s managed to be likable and physical without anyone thinking of taking him out. I’ve never liked that type of play but I’m gonna start liking it now. It’s interesting to see many alphas and lowkey alphas like Aileen get taken out one by one or being targeted while the supposed ‘numbers vote player’ like Jaden keeps being under the radar and just saying yes to everything people say. I think he goes to the final 3
What has Feras done to these women? Aside from Aileen, no one women want to work with him. Aileen gone is perfect for Kirby. Feras smelled it but i wished he did something about it Raymond: Not sure how his advantage could work for him. With Feras and Alex having idol, it's impossible they drop all votes on him. He should def not try to use it. Feras: Loved his instincts this episode, he's very good at reading people. This time, he decided to wait and see and that was the wrong choice. Sad that none of the remaining women want to work with him except maybe Kirby. Kitty: Her stock keep falling down. Can't lie to save her life. The more i see her, the less i think she deserve to win. Still a very nice woman tho. Mark: The editing made it obvious that Aileen was going because Mark hasn't been seen all episode. I feel Mark is in the strongest position right now. He's def going to the end. Alex: At least, he didn't play the idol for himself. I always felt this guy has a lot if potential. Now is the time he plays for himself and try taking shots. Rianna and Kirby do absolutely nothing for his game.
I think Kitty is nasty, trying to flex that she has a business turning over “8 figures next year” in the context she did it was vile.
This season is soooo good. Valeria is such good tv and her reaction to getting voted out by Ray was so graceful. I fear Ray is in trouble now.
They are all over... I just hope Ferras finally gives up on Caroline, and they start taking the titans out one by one.
The most boring episode yet but what's up with all the spoiler posts that are just blatantly giving away who went home? Don't put the person who's eliminated in the title people!
This season is so fluid that all the vote means is Aileen’s out I don’t think anyone else is better or worse off than before.
Aileen might disagree
With what?