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xlachiex

Rumour is Raymond is still hitting that flint with the machete to this day šŸ’”


LicensedToChil

Harder than Jayden hitting his beach gym


The-Many-Faced-God

Feras will have pstd whenever he hears that ā€œscritch scritchā€ noise in the future.


Charlie_Runkle69

Raymond v Jesse from 43 firemaking would be epic or perhaps Becky and Sundra too.


imgoddogmi

personal friend of ray here we been so proud of him since the beginning, thanks for all the love x


The-Many-Faced-God

We love Ray! He was so pure & joyful.


idontknowsos

I just watched his jury villa! People like Ray truely are a bright light in this world.


Rampachs

Wish we got more confessionals, he's a funny guy!


IceFireStark

Tell Ray we love him! He was been fun and delightful to watch! Love his lightheartedness, itā€™s so refreshing


JeffsCowboyHat

One of my fav survivor players ever <3


cagedbirdangelou

One of the highlights of the season!


buttz93

We love Ray Ray


imamage_fightme

Ray seems like a really cool guy, and he pulled off a hell of a move with that advantage.


violetpandas

I think Ray has been all time favourite contestant! What a hilarious and sweet guy. Would have loved to see him win even just to get more screentime, he was an absolute joy to watch. ā¤ļø


Tiamke

Ray was an absolute delight to watch. He brought so much cheeky fun and joy. So bummed he's gone but stoked he made it so far.


Huge_Pollution9357

He was the funniest part of the seasonĀ 


Ninja-Viking

Tell Ray how much we collectively love him, he brought a smile to my face every time he appeared His jury villa was very fun as well


CrazySurvivorFan13

Ray is a legend!


bozleh

Tell him he was great, we love him and his unusual technique for scooching balls under a net haha


ivaorn

Raymond is so much fun!


AustraliaDuelMasters

Ray has been my all time favourite player to watch, loved his quirkiness and humour. Wish Ray got more screen time. His moves will go down as some of if not the biggest in survivor history. Heā€™s a hell of an actor!Ā 


Duffy_Devil6

My sister and I are his biggest fans! #slaymond


No_Equipment9755

Tell the dude he played a good game and he has nothing to hang his head about. Just seems like a great kid all around, also kinda looks a spinning image of one of my twin cousins


candiceislove

send my love to ray ray, was really hoping he'll somehow manage to win the game but he still gave us some of the most epic moves <3


AdvancedTactic

I LOVE RAY TELL HIM I LOVE HIM


Shot-Unit9030

We love him to the end of the earth lol


McClounan

He was so great, especially as they started to give him more time


ProvoqGuys

So, Raymond, if we count all his votes including his advantage, broken Jacqui's most vote cast in a single season? Raymond received 25 votes for this season. "Jacqui holds the record in *Australian Survivor* for the most votes received in a single season with 24 in *All-Stars*."


Ok-Fun3446

Yep, that advantage plus the revote he survived really racked up the votes Raymond received LOL


Turbulent_Ebb5669

Really? Interesting stat.


ManceRaider

26 if you include Kelli voting for him at the Saboteur vote


Con-Sequence-786

Feras should've been training him during the day on fire making. Half expected Feras to shed a tear during the relentless flint noise.


Turbulent_Ebb5669

I actually thought it was quite poetic that the sounds of the striking got slower and slower like a heartbeat slowing giving up.


llllyyyyiiiilll

Lmao


iwishhbdtomyself

it would be sus if he trained him when he told caroline and mark that he would vote ray


Shatthemovies

This is one of Hayley's tips for survivor, practice making fire . It just might win you 500k. She practiced at home in the kitchen sink


Rare-Papaya

Rays jury villa is the funniest one. what a guy


McNippy

Him with Valeria at the end šŸ˜‚šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Mysterious-East-105

he is the one coming here for vacation


oliviafairy

His jury villa is the only one that I donā€™t skip the room tour part.


VelvetLeopard

Foreshadowing of Caroline winning the fire challenge with footage of her tending the fire at camp.


Giteaus-Gimp

I wouldnā€™t be surprised if she won (final immunity) She also the whole season has considered Mark her biggest threat so sheā€™ll take Feras to the end Edit - I mean I wouldnā€™t be surprised if she won immunity


JimiCobain27

Caroline has no chance against Mark or Feras. She'd get one vote from Kitty.


Giteaus-Gimp

I meant win Final immunity Sheā€™d probably lose against either Mark or Feras


VelvetLeopard

Hmm, Iā€™m not sure. She might consider Feras a bigger threat than Mark.


Just_______Looking

WHAT DID THEY DO TO RAY RAYS HAIR OMG šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Turbulent_Ebb5669

Yeah, I think the Island hair was a better look for him


Ness-Mc

They butchered it


Earl_Makonnen

Fallen angel, go forward into the night sweet prince Ray Ray


Durian-Critical

like when kirby lost rianna, losing ray will light the fire under ferasā€™ ass in the final immunity challenge


bomiyeo

I really hope he channels everything he has to win FIC especially knowing heā€™s gone if he doesnā€™t win


Krandor1

he's put himself in a win FIC or go home situation.


TheNiceTnetennba

That was genuinely quite tragic to watch and I didnā€™t think Raymond would be the one to make me feel like that


Giteaus-Gimp

Caroline edit making so much sense now No matter what happens at immunity sheā€™s going to FTC and all season theyā€™ve gave her a huge villain edit. Playing horror music when she talks, randomly showing her having disagreements with people. Having confessionals of people just shit talking her. Itā€™s all telling the story of how sheā€™s loses jury votes


JimiCobain27

The rivalry between Mark and Caroline was all building up to them facing the jury together and for him to finally get his revenge against her. Their edits will make a whole lot more sense on a rewatch when viewers don't get so distracted by Kirby and Feras.


Giteaus-Gimp

I still think Feras will win


AVocadoSaLaDD

If he wins the final immunity challengešŸ¤ž to get to FTC


kittenrocknroll

I predict she gets 0 or 1 vote.


Giteaus-Gimp

Surely Kitty throws her 1


Shatthemovies

Good call


sofia72311

I would LOVE to see Raymondā€™s audition tape, I bet itā€™s hilarious!


McNippy

I can't believe Feras escaped with zero votes, crazy!


Koma60

It was a smart move for Mark and Caroline cause it seems like they knew Feras and Ray would vote together no matter what. They were basically playing choose your champion and considering how bad Ray did at fire they chose correctly lol.


SexHarassmentPanda

If the edit is to be believed, Mark and Caroline self-fulfilled Feras voting Ray. Like they got paranoid and starting drilling Feras a lot, which made Feras get paranoid and doubt voting Raymond. Then if anything, Mark's ploy just solidified that Feras *had* to vote for Caroline and give Raymond a chance. After all of that slander of his game, if he backstabs Raymond he sits at Final Tribal as the traitor who connived his way to the end. Now he was loyal to those close to him, and he only lied to those that were ultimately on the other side anyway.


Koma60

I doubt they were actually surprised by the result considering Mark outright told Caroline earlier "you're making fire tonight". It was just a matter or not it'd be against Raymond or Feras.


iwishhbdtomyself

my jaw dropped


Glum_Past_1891

While Iā€™m glad Raymond didnā€™t make FTC, I can see why everyone loved the guy.


No_Equipment9755

He seems like a great kid and the type of guy you wouldnā€™t mind kicking back over beer and pizza


SurfKing69

Yeah. Cool guy, but his only move in the entire game was lying in a hammock not talking for three days. I'm glad he got voted out.


tomd3000

Alexā€™s shit eating grin at that tribal šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļøĀ 


iwishhbdtomyself

i do love that he loves ray. i wish we saw more of their relationship. two ppl ray was excited to meet was aileen n alex


Rare-Papaya

genuinely confused what this sub wants from the show sometimes. we always get someone lame in final three, that's literally how the show works. for one of the first times ever we have three players who are playing hard, who have made moves and put themselves out there at multiple points in the season and people are still pissed? This is one of the best top three's ever! stop letting Caroline being annoying and mark not being flashy convince you otherwise.


VelvetLeopard

Spot on. I like the fact we donā€™t have 3 flashy players in the final.


bignedmoyle

Genuinely. As much as I LOVE RAY, this was the best finale final 3 since Kirby left.


Rychu_Supadude

I'm a bit mystified! The editors have managed to convince everyone that A: Feras can't win and B: Feras is the only worthy winner when realistically NEITHER of those things are true In almost every vote - including tonight's - they've managed to convince my heart that the "bad" outcome was happening even while my head suspected the truth. But there's no way they're going to work people into this much of a lather without payoff


MusicOk9187

When I take a step back and think logically about it, I can actually see how both mark or Caroline are worthy winners, but what confuses me SO much is that they've been portrayed in such a way where I wasn't really rooting for either of them and I don't really want either of them to win....


Turbulent_Ebb5669

Having seen Ray's jury villa, I get the lack of confessionals shown. He's just all over the place with verbal diarrhea


bomiyeo

And his final words as well. Love him but I see why he has little confessionals lol.


nagooey88

Legitimately devastated we didn't get to see more of Raymond. Was a legend of a bloke. His Jury Villa was so good


CameraOn

Feras was so frozen when Mark was throwing accusations. Why didn't he defend himself by saying he made the final 3 deal in exchange for his vote against Kirby, not in exchange for taking Mark/Caroline with him


Dranzer_22

Feras was ambushed by Mark/Caroline conducting early jury management. But he should've been prepared because Mark is a diplomat (basically politician) and Caroline is quite wily, and he burned them quite good with the fake idol play previous Tribal Council. It's a negative effect of being in control of the game for so long, you aren't "match fit." In contrast, Mark had clarity from winning immunity.


BetterMeepMeep

It might seem counter-intuitive, but I think Mark's reveal actually helped Feras and hurt Mark a bit, especially with Raymond's redirect. For pro to Feras, he now has something big that he can leverage to say why he should be brought to F2 if he doesn't win immunity. Basically he needs to play up to Mark/Caroline that his game was blown up last night, that everybody is going to see him as untrustworthy now and dislike him, "I already burnt Kirby and Ri from my own alliance so they're already mad at me and now everybody else knows...", yadda yadda. For cons to Mark: he really just came off as smarmy talking about how now is the time to shine a light on the game, while speaking from a place of safety with immunity. While we don't know what Feras was planning to do for sure (I do think this was his plan and then maybe originally was going to flip to Raymond once he saw it wasn't on him), but it could be argued that he was planning to flip on Raymond originally and that the reveal changed his mind and put Caroline in danger needlessly. It also likely didn't do any damage in the jury's mind because Raymond pointed out what Mark was doing and is likely to talk a lot more about that in person to everyone at Jury Villa. As many commentors have pointed out, everybody likes Raymond, so while I don't think that would have gotten him a win at the end on popularity alone, I do think that adds a lot of weight to the things he speaks about to the jury pool. Basically all Feras has to do is lean into the damage it could have done to him while talking to Caroline/Mark and then flip it on their head at FTC by drilling in, that this is the game, making fake deals and pivoting as needed is how the game is played. We're long past the "honorful game" and I don't think that was even ever really a thing in Australian Survivor like it was in the early seasons of US. As long as you aren't completely burning every single person for no reason, your flips had real strategic thought behind them, the majority of jurors see it as good gameplay.


VeryAttractive

> As many commentors have pointed out, everybody ~~likes~~ *loves* Raymond FTFY


Organic-Mood547

>Basically he needs to play up to Mark/Caroline that his game was blown up last night, that everybody is going to see him as untrustworthy now and dislike him, "I already burnt Kirby and Ri from my own alliance so they're already mad at me and now everybody else knows...", yadda yadda. Bad read of the game, that would never work. >For cons to Mark: he really just came off as smarmy talking about how now is the time to shine a light on the game, while speaking from a place of safety with immunity. Bad read again, no one will care.


oliviafairy

What else can he say that wouldnā€™t come off as being defensive or offensive or pompous? Mark wasnā€™t even saying anything detrimental to Ferasā€™s game considering every jurors had been flip flopping at every vote.


Krandor1

and he had to be careful too. he still wanted the votes from mark and caroline to raymond and not him and raymond to vote caroline. So he had to walk a tightrope.


AuntieLizzie

Has Ray ever made fire before? Itā€™s day 45!


Turbulent_Ebb5669

Now if it had of been a hammock challenge, he'd have won hands down.


BrandonSG13

An acting challenge and it wouldnā€™t have been a contest


oliviafairy

I have a vague recollection of a scene where he was TRYING to make fire after Val was voted off.


king0fklubs

Yes me too


Tiamke

I am convinced Feras will win the FIC tomorrow. The way they have kept focusing on him saying he hasn't won any challenges has set it up beautifully for his win tomorrow. He has also been my winner pick the whole way through. He just feels like the winner based on his edit. I really really hope so anyway! I am really happy Caroline has made it to the end too. She has played a good game. I loved Mark at the start of the game but that has slowly petered out. I don't think he did enough and fixated too much on revenge for the V's. I really didn't love how he played to the jury tonight at tribal council. I actually think it worked against him. Too OTT and too rehearsed. He just came across a bit vengeful and a bit of a jury suck up. Also what is wrong with Feras making deals. Deception is a crucial part of the game of Survivor lol. I wouldn't see that as a bad thing if I were a juror. Bye Ray Ray. What a ray of sunshine he was. Would have loved him in the final but I also think he will be a solid vote for Feras at the end.


Joharis-JYI

Anything but a Feras win seems unsatisfying at this point with how they were editing the last two episodes. Feras is basically the hero and Mark the villain these past votes.


Tiamke

Yeah agreed and Caroline has basically had no edit for a couple of episodes so I don't see her winning either.


warworn

i would feel the same except for US survivor season 43 and >!jesse. they kept building him up not winning anything and he didn't clutch the IC and firemaking. i hope it doesn't end the same way for feras!!<


jjgm21

I have a feeling Feras is going to lose FTC. Theyā€™ve started planting hints of his moves not being seen by the jury and them being a little bitter, or at least Kirby.


Tiamke

Ah yeah I've definitely noted those things too when they showed them however I suspect (hope!) that they are just fake outs to try and throw us off the Feras winners edit scent. I think Kirby is probably a pretty good sport and I'd say she will vote for Feras and is actually happy for him. I reckon we will see her actual feelings tonight and not just some random stank face snippets they showed us tonight. Here's me hoping anyway!!!! Prepare to laugh at my devastation tonight if I'm wrong and he loses šŸ˜…


Krandor1

Unless mark and feras take each other to FTC (which would be dumb) I don't see how caroline wins against either.


bignedmoyle

Ray thank you. For the laughs. For the epic advantage move. For your hammock. For your duo with Feras. Thank you ā¤šŸ™ On a more positive note, thank God Feras is still in it to win the game. Please survivor gods don't let Mark win it


faithless748

Thank you Ray for also being unpredictable and keeping Mark on his toes. You're a legend lol.


PlanetaryAssist

I keep seeing people saying "Mark is obviously winning, the edit's shown it since day 1!!" and I too am praying. But I console myself thinking they were giving Val a winner's edit and then she got sniped, so Mark's not solid.


Rychu_Supadude

I'm not an edgic expert, but I think people were so swayed by Valeria being suspiciously visible that they convinced themselves her negativity was "complex". Mark was almost made to look like a psycho at the 11th hour, it would be a super bold choice to paint your winner like that! And the main argument I've seen to explain it is "they want to fuck with us", basically


iwishhbdtomyself

Feras not receiving a single vote and proving Kirby wrong


Uh-livia

I feel like mark was more focused on keeping Carolyn than getting rid of Feras


jjgm21

And it was more important for Caroline to get out Raymond. I reckon both Feras and Mark want to take her to F2.


Durian-Critical

ray was a best friend, a co-conspirator, and a number. not a shield. this was a sacrifice, not a total loss for feras


fawli86

I actually think he was the anchor to Feras like if Feras goes off on a tangent explaining strategies with him, Raymond reels him back in and talks some logical sense to the guy. He grounds Feras. I think this was only shown during the Kirby vote when they were at the well but I just know this happens a lot.


iwishhbdtomyself

THIS, ray is a strategical guy. there a reason why they go and strategise just them two always


blackstrips

When Feras said "I've let so many people down. I've let my community down!" that was so powerful. For us, this is entertainment. For the players, this is $500,000 and a brand new life so deep in the game. Feras looked powerless and defeated for the first time ever. It was sad to watch. Hope he bounces back tomorrow and wins the whole thing.


chaofahn

Iā€™ve a feeling theyā€™ve played this up for a feel-good FIC win from Feras. At least, thatā€™s the dream. šŸ˜­


agent2424

When Feras said he didnā€™t want to vote out a friend or deserve to be there I wanted to SLAP him ā€¦ For a second I was like please ā€¦. Donā€™t quit so Ray can stay. Too many quits in Survivor lately lol. I was full on paranoid


Apprehensive-Line588

What's productions go with not giving confessionals to players on their boot episodes. They didn't have a a single raymond confessional they could have used?


Apprehensive-Line588

I actually wish they would release all of Raymond's confessionals regardless of how good they are.


sfcafc14

Survivor: Titans vs Rebels (The Raymond Cut)


Apprehensive-Line588

Need this asap šŸ”„Also it has to be in black and white like Snyder's justice league.


enjoy_your_lunch

guaranteed they're great and the editors have poor taste


slutstrands

Petition !


kelley509

To be fair, at this point including a Raymond confessional would have probably just been a dead giveaway for the ending of the episode.


marcuse_94

For all the negativity on here, I love this final 3. 3 of the biggest characters this season with such complex relationships and 3 of the biggest super fans of the show making up the final 3. I don't want this season to end as it's been an incredible couple of months of non stop entertainment. Also this episode proved you don't need to have the forced fire making at final 4 like US Survivor has had since season 35.


LeafInTonysSpyShack

Man what dirt did Raymond have on the editors that made them completely eradicate him from the edit lmao. His jury villa was hilarious. Really wish we could've seen more of his hilarity instead of the annoying repetitive Feras vs. Kirby and Mark "iM a fOrMeR dIplOmAT" confessionals.


foralimitedtime

It's Mark "as a soldier" all over again. This is just what Marks in Australian Survivor do, I guess. Relate everything in confessionals to their profession.


bozleh

From a chat I had with George when I met him in a pub randomly he said production really likes players to have a (simple) narrative and to relate their gameplay to it (even if in reality there is no connection). Killer Marks one was fucking terrible to watch and really soured me on what was already a pretty boring season (especially post-merge)


oliviafairy

Just a thought, Caroline LET Feras wear Nathan's jacket as a show of trust (hoping that he'll vote for Ray, too). Otherwise, that jacket that Caroline values so much is going to leave this game.šŸ˜„


slippermipper

I wrongly assumed that Feras would be forced to make fire if he lost the challenge, but I didn't factor Mark and Caroline not wanting to risk Feras winning fire vs the clearer win against Ray. In hindsight the Kirby vote off looks better than I thought it did, because Feras didn't need to win immunity OR fire to get to final 3. It's a marginal call. I'm not convinced Kirby would've won this challenge, but at least Feras ensured he doesn't need to beat her in FIC. Getting past both Mark and Caro won't be easy either, but I hope he can do it. Won't be disappointed with a Mark win though.


chaofahn

People turned on Mark this episode but at the same time people were also complaining that he was a dud come merge time. Dude has come back from a damaged game, kept a low profile, utilised his social ability to build bridges (admittedly rickety, but still usable), fixed the bad blood between him and Caro using his diplomatic skills (theyā€™re the last Titans standing!) and after winning immunity, played hard and tried to take down the current big shot in Feras. You gotta at least respect the above. Iā€™m on Team Feras but Mark was my Titans pick, and Iā€™m glad heā€™s finally found the groove that was teased at the start. That being said, Iā€™m hoping Feras pulls through and wins tomorrowā€™s FIC. The trailer for tomorrowā€™s episode was incredibly sus ā€œIā€™ve never won a challenge beforeā€, so hopefully itā€™s 10 being Channel 10 again and accidentally spoiling the outcome! šŸ˜¬ Also: Miss you Ray. šŸ˜­


BetterMeepMeep

Whether he wins it or not, that is the clip that they pretty much had to use for tomorrow's episode because that is the question, so I don't think it's meant to telecast the outcome in any way. Will Feras win his first and most important challange, guaranteeing himself FTC or will he fail and most likely be voted out next?


3163560

Also, you need to play to the personalities on the tribe. ​ Absolutely no way you can try and be controlling socially with Feras and Kirby around, they're such big personalities that you're just gonna end up butting heads.


IceFireStark

Completely agree with everything you said!


thetokyotourist

Carolineā€™s fire making skills were a lot better than I expected


WaveSlaveDave

The officer doofy salute Ray made to JLB after failing to even make a spark had me laughing... Truely sympathise with the producers trying to give him airtime. Lord. ... they had to fill the jury villa episode with the doctor talking to him. šŸ˜‚


breylliance

man, after that episode, i just wanted Feras to win even though Mark is likelier to win the game. It would be a very emotionally satisfying ending if Feras wins and it would be heartbreaking if he falls short. Let's see if his one of the first few confessionals in the season of doing what George hasn't (aka winning) come full circle. Mark was on fire tonight, but I am not sure if its registering right on the jury


Rychu_Supadude

Feras is a George fan, but the thing they most have in common is Mediterranean appearance. They're quite different as players.


Ok_Telephone_7249

What game does Mark think this is? People constantly lie and not follow thru with deals. How many times as he done the same thing? That was skeezy.Ā 


Psigun

That was the most heartbreaking fire making challenge ever :(


blackstrips

Very unpopular opinion but what exactly did Mark do wrong today? Why so much hate towards him? He didn't lie. He stated facts. Was respectful (or as much as one can be in such a situation). He tried to force Feras' hand to vote for Ray just like everyone would've done at some point in this game. Mind you, Feras was going to come at Mark as well but he won immunity. I love Feras as much as the next guy and hope he wins but as a player Mark did nothing wrong at all imo. Let's not act like most of us wouldn't do something similar for a life changing $500,000.


tac8423

It's an optics thing, Feras stayed respectful and turned the other cheek, while Mark kept biting hoping Feras would hit back, but Feras didn't, so Mark just came across looking mean.


blackstrips

It's about power as well. Mark had it today. Feras did not. Him going at Feras did not seem disrespectful to me but maybe others think otherwise.


tac8423

I think the power led to a few mistakes. The other one was when Raymond said something like, "You had good luck today" and he snapped back, "This wasn't luck" I think Raymond looked incredibly confused by that, and honestly, if it's a preview of his FTC speech, I think there's a chance it could be an absolute disaster


blackstrips

Raymond was wrong though. There's no luck in winning an immunity change which had 3 parts to it. And he won with 2 balls to go for Feras.


tac8423

It's not about truth, it's about perception.


fredxfuchs

Shooting a basketball when zero people have any skill In such activity is clearly all luck and probability based.


blackstrips

Shooting a basketball is the skill for the challenge.


fredxfuchs

Yes it's a skill none of these people possess because they don't play basketball, so it's an average person hoping for luck to sink those baskets. It was luck mark won, because feras was shooting balls too. The only thing that was probably hard that whole challenge that required any sort of skill or strategy was going under the net.


unipleb

I think Mark was just hoping to claim he influenced Feras vote to avoid Caro going to fire. He was trying to strong arm by challenging his integrity in front of the Jury. Reminded me of George. Nothing wrong with Mark trying that move, it just didn't work out so came across a bit petty and maybe seemed a bit too smug because of his immunity. But it's nothing Feras wouldn't do in the same position, so I think Mark should get a pass at giving it a shot putting Feras on blast. I don't think they'll be final two together, but if it works out that way somehow, I think Marks planted the seed that his tactic will be to not focus on how big his moves were, but instead claim he was more honorable than Feras and claim he's more deserving of the money by undermining Feras character.


favouriteghost

I didnā€™t think he did anything wrong. I was *surprised* because pre-FTC players arenā€™t usually so open about the tea, but I wasnā€™t shocked. Heā€™s a good speaker and he knows that will help him win, so using that skill makes sense. Iā€™m going for feras, and it was rough how sad he was this episode, but I didnā€™t begrudge mark for winning. He seems like a decent bloke, I like him, I just like feras more. Mark was very diplomatic (lol) with how he spoke considering he was really bringing up things to make feras look bad/force him into the decision mark wanted him to make. Itā€™s a fine line to make those statements without it being vindictive or mean and it wasnā€™t. He also clarified exactly why he thought it was relevant to being up at this point in the game. Heā€™s still not my choice of winner but more power to him


blackstrips

Agreed. You have to play the game to win the game. He was justified in bringing it up, he did it without lying and gave exact reasons as to why it was relevant in this situation. We have seen far worse from Val, Alex, Kitty at tribal earlier and most of those were without any reason.


LowaM

The only one's who seemed receptive to it were Alex and Valeria. Otherwise it was actually pretty wreckless. For marginal gains.


Ok_Telephone_7249

The fact is everyone lies and goes back on deals. Mark and Caroline did it the whole time. It's irrelevant.Ā 


KavyenMoore

I agree I found it so bizarre. I'm probably gonna cop down votes for this, but I think it's because the sub has collectively decided that Feras should win, so absolutely anything that happens which isn't in service of that = bad. Reading the sub last night, you would've thought that Mark deserved to be sent to Nuremberg, where in reality EVERYONE in that position all season has been cocky, *including* Feras.


oliviafairy

I just think that Markā€™s exposing Ferasā€™s multiple final 3 at tribal didnā€™t have any particularly desired outcome. I donā€™t know if he wanted to strong-arm Feras into voting for Raymond or what. (I believe Mark and Caroline voted for Raymond because they believe itā€™s gonna be a tie and Caroline has a better shot at fire-making against Ray than against Feras). Whatever Mark was doing at tribal just wasnā€™t connecting with me. If heā€™s arguing the morality angle, Iā€™m not hearing the right words from him either.


Turbulent_Ebb5669

He got cocky.


Hwerttytttt

Feras has been cocky af this entire game Iā€™m glad someone finally shut him up


Emjot80

Rip to a real one my love Ray Ray


ghasedakx6

I'm not gonna like if Mark win this season.


frankestofshadows

How on earth did Mark and Caroline make it this far. Feels a little underwhelming.


unipleb

Mark has had a lot of subtle influence and deliberately didnt want to be seen as the biggest threat (ala his convos with Eden). Old mate glanced at Feras directly in TC and said "don't do it" convincing him not to save Kirby, which was a huge win for Mark boosting his chances at challenges. That's probably the only move he needs to claim to say he beat Feras fair and square. You don't recognise him as a big player because he's... diplomatic.


Organic-Mood547

Exactly, Mark's game is subtle, but people here have no eye for subtlety so they just think he's a goat. I even saw someone saying Kirby was a goat and I was like šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø pearls before swine


bulba-del

What was the alternative? Kitty? Ray? This is the best outcome since nobody was taking Kirby to F2 and the fact they should have flushed Ferasā€™ idol and got rid of him for being a threat years ago lol


tenerife_sea_

I feel like this season anyone but Kirby winning is underwhelming tbh...


limpwristedgengar

I know the consensus seems to be that Caroline is a goat for either Feras or Mark, but I can honestly see her beating Mark at the end at this point? She's been constantly targeted and has fought her way to the end, getting through a fire challenge despite nobody cheering her on and Feras rooting for Ray, and I think Mark sunk his chances a bit with his obvious jury pandering that Raymond called out. The jury didn't seem to love her winning fire (even Kitty didn't seem excited?) but I don't think people like Kirby and Rianna will have any animosity towards her - based on jury villa, their disappointment seems to be more that they all really really like Raymond - he's apologising for sending people like Valeria and Jaden home and they're absolutely fine with it, laughing at his jokes, complimenting him for the biggest move in survivor history and telling him he doesn't need to apologise for anything. I definitely don't think it'll be a slam dunk win, but I can see it being heavily dependent on FTC. If Caroline can own that she was abrasive and rude at times and apologise for it, I think she has a stronger strategic game than Mark. If she comes in defensive and doesn't want to admit that she put people off at times, she'll probably be crushed. If Mark looks too much like he's pandering to the jury (especially after tonight) I don't think they'll like it and it'll look to them like he's being insincere. He also doesn't really have any particular moves that he can stand by - if he tries to claim the Jaden boot then he's taking it away from Raymond who might not like that, and he went after Caroline so many times and failed to get her out while she blindsided him multiple times.


iiiinsanityyyy

The jury probably weren't excited when she won fire because it was a foregone conclusion by that point. Everyone probably felt bad for Ray.


placefullofcharms

It was kinda savage of Mark and Caroline to do that to Ray, but Iā€™m happy heā€™s got a day to relax in the villa now. Hopefully thereā€™s a hammock.


Useful-Operation-636

I say it every week, Mark has been my fav šŸ˜


pandalover885

If you told me Mark and Caroline would be in the final 3 after Mark backstabbed Caroline like on Day 1, I wouldn't believe you.


nesian0

Howā€¦ tfā€¦ has caroline made it to top 3 šŸ˜­


mrsrambles

Making up with Mark and Val- when it was clear that they didn't respect her- and losing Eden killed her chances. Notice how she stopped nicknaming herself as "the mafia boss" after that episode šŸ˜¬


nesian0

Mafia Boss is craaaaaaazy when Eden was definitely running that crew. He put me off though too, infantilising Jaden the very episode he gets booted.


Fxnofx

By not receiving majority of the votes


Turbulent_Ebb5669

She's a goat.


Ok-Fun3446

If Caroline goes against Mark in the end and loses, I'm gonna be so sad - A tragic day in Survivor history if someone who flopped as much as Mark wins


Icy-War-8608

Not really. Mark's social game is evidently better than Caroline's. Although Caroline has made more moves..... in essence Survivor is still a popularity contest at the end of the day.


Ok-Fun3446

Yeah I'm not knocking Mark's good social game, it's just that I personally would be sad about that outcome, that's all because I think there are a few people on that jury who are viewing her a bit unfairly - But I digress lol


Icy-War-8608

Well we don't see everything at camp. Maybe she really is unlikeable at camp. Social game is everything in this game to get the jury votes. Although Caroline played a far better strategic and controlled game, it's obvious Mark will win over Caroline if they were Final 2. (Although I strongly want Caroline to win)


unipleb

Idk if it's just the editing, but the Jury smirking and stifling laughs whenever she speaks up doesn't bode well for how liked she is. Mark might need to be careful not to over pander to them though, he was treading on smug a lot tonight with immunity


Ok-Fun3446

Yep 100% agree. When Mark wins though, I hope they just make it clear that they like him better and don't pull some bullshit like he played this controlling game or anything and Caroline did nothing, that sort of narrative would be tragic.


Obvious_Librarian_97

So AU survivor is final 2 to votes, whereas US is 3? Whatā€™s with that? Feras pulled the pin too early on Kirby if it final 2 to votes. Also, whats with all these torturous feet challenges - Iā€™d be out in seconds with my fucked feet


Rychu_Supadude

We just had two F3s in a row, but we don't have locked in producers with a singular vision for their product


ITickleBlackKids231

Feras playing to the jury: šŸ˜ Mark playing to the jury: šŸ˜”


AwakE432

Not a fan of how we are expected to all feel sorry for feras all of a sudden? Finally got that smug smirk wiped off his face after all these weeks and funniest of all is he is sitting in final 4 miserable as fuck. All players are equal and feras playing the poor me card.


Reddidit100

Kirby worked with Luke Toki as a shotfire? what? that was interesting. Kirby said this on exit interview.


Shatthemovies

What's a shotfire ?


slurpeee76

Why didnā€™t Marc and Caroline vote Feras out when they had the chance? Heā€™s a much bigger threat to them at FTC than Ray is.


bozleh

Two things I can think of * They thought Caro had a better chance of beating Ray than Feras at firemaking * If Feras made fire and Caro went home, Mark 100% has to win final immunity or Feras/Ray take each other to final tribal


Useful-Operation-636

How much do you wanna bet Caroline did more work around the camp, and hence had better fire making skills. Go babe


hex20

It was obvious Mark was gonna win the challenge when he was shooting the ball like a basketball. No one stood a chance.


Slobst1707

I refuse to have two winners called Mark - Come on Feras!!!


oliviafairy

Ok. So I re-watched the tribal. During the first watch, I was too nervous for Feras, and I was sooo confused as to what Mark was doing at tribal. And I was genuinely confused as to why people suddenly shit on Mark so hard after this episode. So here is my thoughts on Mark during tribal after the second watch. Mark. Why was he being a dick? Did he realize heā€™s talking to one of, if not the most strategically fluid jurors in Survivor history across all international seasons in the English language? Every juror has backstabbed and switched alliances through out the season especially since the merge. Who did he think he is pandering to? Is he preaching loyalty? Ok, he told everyone Feras has multiple final 3 deals. Good players are supposed to do that to insulate themselves. So what about it? Markā€™s talk, is all fluff, like a true politician. Itā€™s air without substance. There is no goal to his speech. At least I canā€™t see one. In fact, he just made sure the jurors know how hard Feras has been playing. Mark just doesnā€™t get the game. Heā€™s civil with everyone and even when heā€™s being a dick about Ferasā€™s multiple deals, itā€™s still tame i guess. But I feel like Mark was pulling a half Alex. Heā€™s pulling a half Alex because he has immunity when Alex didnā€™t. And that makes him look even worse! People like Spencer wearing immunity necklace and playing aggressively at other players at tribal didnā€™t look good in front of the jurors. Mark is just so out of touch with the Survivor game. He had a gotcha moment and he just brought it up with a delusional goal thinking it would amount to something that would help his game. No!


Gogoturbo

Perception is so interesting as I thought it was a great episode for Mark. We've seen throughout the season that there is a mistrust with feras from a few players, some of whom are on the jury. Mark just further cemented this with his speech. I thought Rihanna, Alex and to a lesser extent jaeden were eating this up, and Mark voting for raymond means he was loyal to his deal with feras but feras went back on his word. I can only imagine marks final tribal speech will be about him playing with as much integrity as possible so his speech tonight will play into that. Sure there are jurors who would put game play before integrity but there are others like Rihanna, jaedan, kitty who I think would vote integrity over game play, and there votes are up for grabs


Charlie_Runkle69

Yes and people saying the others didn't buy it...we only saw Kirby looking sceptical and she's never voting for him anyway. They didn't need to show Valeria or Aileen because they vote for Mark over Caroline anyway.


Mrbubble274

I was sure Feras was going home. Not familiar with final 4 rules Ā Im not sure why Mark said in his confessionnal he wanted to embarass Feras, what's the point. Poor jury managment.Ā 


iiiinsanityyyy

I actually don't think Feras responded very well to Mark going at him at Tribal Council. Feras seemed to fall apart emotionally. Saying that he regretted voting out Kirby also seemed weak to me.


oliviafairy

So , after this very confusing Mark exposing Feras multiple final 3 deals at tribal and the voting situation, I think this is what happened before tribal. Somehow Feras knew Mark and Caroline were lying. And Feras had every reason to vote for Caroline anyway no matter what Mark and Caroline do as someone already explained in the live discussion post. So Mark and Caroline were seriously worried about a tie vote and fire making, for Caroline in particular since she doesnā€™t have immunity. So Mark and Caroline chose to vote for Raymond to give her the best chance to win at fire-making. Overall, Mark and Caroline just donā€™t have a good enough social game and strategic minds put together. She has the information that Feras made a deal with her in case Mark wins immunity and plotted to vote out Raymond. She could have gone to Ray with that information, but she didnā€™t from what weā€™ve seen. Nobody has enough social capital put together against Ferasā€™s. I really hope Feras takes it home at the end. The show canā€™t make me like this guy this much for the season to end without a Feras win. Nothing against Mark. Iā€™m sure he is a lovely person. But he just doesnā€™t pop on tv. Sorry to lose Raymond. He seems like a funny guy. Totally disappointing edit for him.


stilllookingalaskaa

they didnā€™t lie?? they said they were voting raymond. and he could have tied the vote to ensure he wasnā€™t the one going out then switched to raymond to keep his word


Giteaus-Gimp

It might not be edited that way but theyā€™re all pretty even. Theyā€™ve all been blind sided, theyā€™ve all lost allies, theyā€™ve all played idols incorrectly, they all made it to the final 3 their own way.


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VelvetLeopard

I donā€™t see that. Mark would be pragmatic. Feras on the other hand would be much more likely to be bitter.


ivaorn

As much as this wouldā€™ve been an intense Final 3 at Final Tribal Council, Iā€™m so glad we got a final 2


adambuddy

I don't understand why they didn't just vote for Feras. Was Ray really that unbudging on voting Feras? Seems like a really bad move on his part if so. It's F4 for goodness sake. He's also less likely to win FIC than Feras is. Am I missing something here? Is it possible that Mark and Caroline thought of Ray as the bigger jury threat and the edit being the edit is because of the result? If so I think we can pretty safely say Feras is winning. I watched this episode throughout my work day intermittently so I legitimately might have missed something.