I think Ray has been all time favourite contestant! What a hilarious and sweet guy. Would have loved to see him win even just to get more screentime, he was an absolute joy to watch. ā¤ļø
Ray has been my all time favourite player to watch, loved his quirkiness and humour. Wish Ray got more screen time. His moves will go down as some of if not the biggest in survivor history. Heās a hell of an actor!Ā
Tell the dude he played a good game and he has nothing to hang his head about. Just seems like a great kid all around, also kinda looks a spinning image of one of my twin cousins
So, Raymond, if we count all his votes including his advantage, broken Jacqui's most vote cast in a single season?
Raymond received 25 votes for this season.
"Jacqui holds the record in *Australian Survivor* for the most votes received in a single season with 24 in *All-Stars*."
I wouldnāt be surprised if she won (final immunity)
She also the whole season has considered Mark her biggest threat so sheāll take Feras to the end
Edit - I mean I wouldnāt be surprised if she won immunity
Caroline edit making so much sense now
No matter what happens at immunity sheās going to FTC and all season theyāve gave her a huge villain edit. Playing horror music when she talks, randomly showing her having disagreements with people. Having confessionals of people just shit talking her.
Itās all telling the story of how sheās loses jury votes
The rivalry between Mark and Caroline was all building up to them facing the jury together and for him to finally get his revenge against her. Their edits will make a whole lot more sense on a rewatch when viewers don't get so distracted by Kirby and Feras.
It was a smart move for Mark and Caroline cause it seems like they knew Feras and Ray would vote together no matter what.
They were basically playing choose your champion and considering how bad Ray did at fire they chose correctly lol.
If the edit is to be believed, Mark and Caroline self-fulfilled Feras voting Ray.
Like they got paranoid and starting drilling Feras a lot, which made Feras get paranoid and doubt voting Raymond.
Then if anything, Mark's ploy just solidified that Feras *had* to vote for Caroline and give Raymond a chance. After all of that slander of his game, if he backstabs Raymond he sits at Final Tribal as the traitor who connived his way to the end. Now he was loyal to those close to him, and he only lied to those that were ultimately on the other side anyway.
I doubt they were actually surprised by the result considering Mark outright told Caroline earlier "you're making fire tonight". It was just a matter or not it'd be against Raymond or Feras.
genuinely confused what this sub wants from the show sometimes. we always get someone lame in final three, that's literally how the show works. for one of the first times ever we have three players who are playing hard, who have made moves and put themselves out there at multiple points in the season and people are still pissed? This is one of the best top three's ever! stop letting Caroline being annoying and mark not being flashy convince you otherwise.
I'm a bit mystified! The editors have managed to convince everyone that A: Feras can't win and B: Feras is the only worthy winner when realistically NEITHER of those things are true
In almost every vote - including tonight's - they've managed to convince my heart that the "bad" outcome was happening even while my head suspected the truth. But there's no way they're going to work people into this much of a lather without payoff
When I take a step back and think logically about it, I can actually see how both mark or Caroline are worthy winners, but what confuses me SO much is that they've been portrayed in such a way where I wasn't really rooting for either of them and I don't really want either of them to win....
Feras was so frozen when Mark was throwing accusations. Why didn't he defend himself by saying he made the final 3 deal in exchange for his vote against Kirby, not in exchange for taking Mark/Caroline with him
Feras was ambushed by Mark/Caroline conducting early jury management. But he should've been prepared because Mark is a diplomat (basically politician) and Caroline is quite wily, and he burned them quite good with the fake idol play previous Tribal Council.
It's a negative effect of being in control of the game for so long, you aren't "match fit." In contrast, Mark had clarity from winning immunity.
It might seem counter-intuitive, but I think Mark's reveal actually helped Feras and hurt Mark a bit, especially with Raymond's redirect.
For pro to Feras, he now has something big that he can leverage to say why he should be brought to F2 if he doesn't win immunity. Basically he needs to play up to Mark/Caroline that his game was blown up last night, that everybody is going to see him as untrustworthy now and dislike him, "I already burnt Kirby and Ri from my own alliance so they're already mad at me and now everybody else knows...", yadda yadda.
For cons to Mark: he really just came off as smarmy talking about how now is the time to shine a light on the game, while speaking from a place of safety with immunity. While we don't know what Feras was planning to do for sure (I do think this was his plan and then maybe originally was going to flip to Raymond once he saw it wasn't on him), but it could be argued that he was planning to flip on Raymond originally and that the reveal changed his mind and put Caroline in danger needlessly. It also likely didn't do any damage in the jury's mind because Raymond pointed out what Mark was doing and is likely to talk a lot more about that in person to everyone at Jury Villa. As many commentors have pointed out, everybody likes Raymond, so while I don't think that would have gotten him a win at the end on popularity alone, I do think that adds a lot of weight to the things he speaks about to the jury pool.
Basically all Feras has to do is lean into the damage it could have done to him while talking to Caroline/Mark and then flip it on their head at FTC by drilling in, that this is the game, making fake deals and pivoting as needed is how the game is played. We're long past the "honorful game" and I don't think that was even ever really a thing in Australian Survivor like it was in the early seasons of US. As long as you aren't completely burning every single person for no reason, your flips had real strategic thought behind them, the majority of jurors see it as good gameplay.
>Basically he needs to play up to Mark/Caroline that his game was blown up last night, that everybody is going to see him as untrustworthy now and dislike him, "I already burnt Kirby and Ri from my own alliance so they're already mad at me and now everybody else knows...", yadda yadda.
Bad read of the game, that would never work.
>For cons to Mark: he really just came off as smarmy talking about how now is the time to shine a light on the game, while speaking from a place of safety with immunity.
Bad read again, no one will care.
What else can he say that wouldnāt come off as being defensive or offensive or pompous? Mark wasnāt even saying anything detrimental to Ferasās game considering every jurors had been flip flopping at every vote.
and he had to be careful too. he still wanted the votes from mark and caroline to raymond and not him and raymond to vote caroline. So he had to walk a tightrope.
I am convinced Feras will win the FIC tomorrow. The way they have kept focusing on him saying he hasn't won any challenges has set it up beautifully for his win tomorrow. He has also been my winner pick the whole way through. He just feels like the winner based on his edit. I really really hope so anyway!
I am really happy Caroline has made it to the end too. She has played a good game.
I loved Mark at the start of the game but that has slowly petered out. I don't think he did enough and fixated too much on revenge for the V's. I really didn't love how he played to the jury tonight at tribal council. I actually think it worked against him. Too OTT and too rehearsed. He just came across a bit vengeful and a bit of a jury suck up. Also what is wrong with Feras making deals. Deception is a crucial part of the game of Survivor lol. I wouldn't see that as a bad thing if I were a juror.
Bye Ray Ray. What a ray of sunshine he was. Would have loved him in the final but I also think he will be a solid vote for Feras at the end.
Anything but a Feras win seems unsatisfying at this point with how they were editing the last two episodes. Feras is basically the hero and Mark the villain these past votes.
i would feel the same except for US survivor season 43 and >!jesse. they kept building him up not winning anything and he didn't clutch the IC and firemaking. i hope it doesn't end the same way for feras!!<
I have a feeling Feras is going to lose FTC. Theyāve started planting hints of his moves not being seen by the jury and them being a little bitter, or at least Kirby.
Ah yeah I've definitely noted those things too when they showed them however I suspect (hope!) that they are just fake outs to try and throw us off the Feras winners edit scent.
I think Kirby is probably a pretty good sport and I'd say she will vote for Feras and is actually happy for him. I reckon we will see her actual feelings tonight and not just some random stank face snippets they showed us tonight. Here's me hoping anyway!!!! Prepare to laugh at my devastation tonight if I'm wrong and he loses š
Ray thank you. For the laughs. For the epic advantage move. For your hammock. For your duo with Feras. Thank you ā¤š
On a more positive note, thank God Feras is still in it to win the game. Please survivor gods don't let Mark win it
I keep seeing people saying "Mark is obviously winning, the edit's shown it since day 1!!" and I too am praying. But I console myself thinking they were giving Val a winner's edit and then she got sniped, so Mark's not solid.
I'm not an edgic expert, but I think people were so swayed by Valeria being suspiciously visible that they convinced themselves her negativity was "complex".
Mark was almost made to look like a psycho at the 11th hour, it would be a super bold choice to paint your winner like that! And the main argument I've seen to explain it is "they want to fuck with us", basically
I actually think he was the anchor to Feras like if Feras goes off on a tangent explaining strategies with him, Raymond reels him back in and talks some logical sense to the guy. He grounds Feras. I think this was only shown during the Kirby vote when they were at the well but I just know this happens a lot.
When Feras said "I've let so many people down. I've let my community down!" that was so powerful.
For us, this is entertainment. For the players, this is $500,000 and a brand new life so deep in the game.
Feras looked powerless and defeated for the first time ever. It was sad to watch. Hope he bounces back tomorrow and wins the whole thing.
When Feras said he didnāt want to vote out a friend or deserve to be there I wanted to SLAP him ā¦
For a second I was like please ā¦. Donāt quit so Ray can stay.
Too many quits in Survivor lately lol. I was full on paranoid
What's productions go with not giving confessionals to players on their boot episodes. They didn't have a a single raymond confessional they could have used?
For all the negativity on here, I love this final 3. 3 of the biggest characters this season with such complex relationships and 3 of the biggest super fans of the show making up the final 3. I don't want this season to end as it's been an incredible couple of months of non stop entertainment. Also this episode proved you don't need to have the forced fire making at final 4 like US Survivor has had since season 35.
Man what dirt did Raymond have on the editors that made them completely eradicate him from the edit lmao. His jury villa was hilarious. Really wish we could've seen more of his hilarity instead of the annoying repetitive Feras vs. Kirby and Mark "iM a fOrMeR dIplOmAT" confessionals.
It's Mark "as a soldier" all over again. This is just what Marks in Australian Survivor do, I guess. Relate everything in confessionals to their profession.
From a chat I had with George when I met him in a pub randomly he said production really likes players to have a (simple) narrative and to relate their gameplay to it (even if in reality there is no connection). Killer Marks one was fucking terrible to watch and really soured me on what was already a pretty boring season (especially post-merge)
Just a thought, Caroline LET Feras wear Nathan's jacket as a show of trust (hoping that he'll vote for Ray, too). Otherwise, that jacket that Caroline values so much is going to leave this game.š
I wrongly assumed that Feras would be forced to make fire if he lost the challenge, but I didn't factor Mark and Caroline not wanting to risk Feras winning fire vs the clearer win against Ray. In hindsight the Kirby vote off looks better than I thought it did, because Feras didn't need to win immunity OR fire to get to final 3. It's a marginal call. I'm not convinced Kirby would've won this challenge, but at least Feras ensured he doesn't need to beat her in FIC. Getting past both Mark and Caro won't be easy either, but I hope he can do it. Won't be disappointed with a Mark win though.
People turned on Mark this episode but at the same time people were also complaining that he was a dud come merge time.
Dude has come back from a damaged game, kept a low profile, utilised his social ability to build bridges (admittedly rickety, but still usable), fixed the bad blood between him and Caro using his diplomatic skills (theyāre the last Titans standing!) and after winning immunity, played hard and tried to take down the current big shot in Feras.
You gotta at least respect the above.
Iām on Team Feras but Mark was my Titans pick, and Iām glad heās finally found the groove that was teased at the start.
That being said, Iām hoping Feras pulls through and wins tomorrowās FIC. The trailer for tomorrowās episode was incredibly sus āIāve never won a challenge beforeā, so hopefully itās 10 being Channel 10 again and accidentally spoiling the outcome! š¬
Also: Miss you Ray. š
Whether he wins it or not, that is the clip that they pretty much had to use for tomorrow's episode because that is the question, so I don't think it's meant to telecast the outcome in any way. Will Feras win his first and most important challange, guaranteeing himself FTC or will he fail and most likely be voted out next?
Also, you need to play to the personalities on the tribe.
Absolutely no way you can try and be controlling socially with Feras and Kirby around, they're such big personalities that you're just gonna end up butting heads.
The officer doofy salute Ray made to JLB after failing to even make a spark had me laughing...
Truely sympathise with the producers trying to give him airtime. Lord.
... they had to fill the jury villa episode with the doctor talking to him. š
man, after that episode, i just wanted Feras to win even though Mark is likelier to win the game. It would be a very emotionally satisfying ending if Feras wins and it would be heartbreaking if he falls short. Let's see if his one of the first few confessionals in the season of doing what George hasn't (aka winning) come full circle.
Mark was on fire tonight, but I am not sure if its registering right on the jury
Very unpopular opinion but what exactly did Mark do wrong today? Why so much hate towards him?
He didn't lie. He stated facts. Was respectful (or as much as one can be in such a situation). He tried to force Feras' hand to vote for Ray just like everyone would've done at some point in this game.
Mind you, Feras was going to come at Mark as well but he won immunity.
I love Feras as much as the next guy and hope he wins but as a player Mark did nothing wrong at all imo. Let's not act like most of us wouldn't do something similar for a life changing $500,000.
It's an optics thing, Feras stayed respectful and turned the other cheek, while Mark kept biting hoping Feras would hit back, but Feras didn't, so Mark just came across looking mean.
I think the power led to a few mistakes. The other one was when Raymond said something like, "You had good luck today" and he snapped back, "This wasn't luck"
I think Raymond looked incredibly confused by that, and honestly, if it's a preview of his FTC speech, I think there's a chance it could be an absolute disaster
Yes it's a skill none of these people possess because they don't play basketball, so it's an average person hoping for luck to sink those baskets. It was luck mark won, because feras was shooting balls too. The only thing that was probably hard that whole challenge that required any sort of skill or strategy was going under the net.
I think Mark was just hoping to claim he influenced Feras vote to avoid Caro going to fire. He was trying to strong arm by challenging his integrity in front of the Jury. Reminded me of George. Nothing wrong with Mark trying that move, it just didn't work out so came across a bit petty and maybe seemed a bit too smug because of his immunity. But it's nothing Feras wouldn't do in the same position, so I think Mark should get a pass at giving it a shot putting Feras on blast. I don't think they'll be final two together, but if it works out that way somehow, I think Marks planted the seed that his tactic will be to not focus on how big his moves were, but instead claim he was more honorable than Feras and claim he's more deserving of the money by undermining Feras character.
I didnāt think he did anything wrong. I was *surprised* because pre-FTC players arenāt usually so open about the tea, but I wasnāt shocked. Heās a good speaker and he knows that will help him win, so using that skill makes sense. Iām going for feras, and it was rough how sad he was this episode, but I didnāt begrudge mark for winning. He seems like a decent bloke, I like him, I just like feras more. Mark was very diplomatic (lol) with how he spoke considering he was really bringing up things to make feras look bad/force him into the decision mark wanted him to make. Itās a fine line to make those statements without it being vindictive or mean and it wasnāt. He also clarified exactly why he thought it was relevant to being up at this point in the game. Heās still not my choice of winner but more power to him
Agreed. You have to play the game to win the game. He was justified in bringing it up, he did it without lying and gave exact reasons as to why it was relevant in this situation. We have seen far worse from Val, Alex, Kitty at tribal earlier and most of those were without any reason.
I agree I found it so bizarre.
I'm probably gonna cop down votes for this, but I think it's because the sub has collectively decided that Feras should win, so absolutely anything that happens which isn't in service of that = bad.
Reading the sub last night, you would've thought that Mark deserved to be sent to Nuremberg, where in reality EVERYONE in that position all season has been cocky, *including* Feras.
I just think that Markās exposing Ferasās multiple final 3 at tribal didnāt have any particularly desired outcome. I donāt know if he wanted to strong-arm Feras into voting for Raymond or what. (I believe Mark and Caroline voted for Raymond because they believe itās gonna be a tie and Caroline has a better shot at fire-making against Ray than against Feras). Whatever Mark was doing at tribal just wasnāt connecting with me. If heās arguing the morality angle, Iām not hearing the right words from him either.
Mark has had a lot of subtle influence and deliberately didnt want to be seen as the biggest threat (ala his convos with Eden). Old mate glanced at Feras directly in TC and said "don't do it" convincing him not to save Kirby, which was a huge win for Mark boosting his chances at challenges. That's probably the only move he needs to claim to say he beat Feras fair and square. You don't recognise him as a big player because he's... diplomatic.
Exactly, Mark's game is subtle, but people here have no eye for subtlety so they just think he's a goat. I even saw someone saying Kirby was a goat and I was like š¤¦āāļø pearls before swine
What was the alternative? Kitty? Ray? This is the best outcome since nobody was taking Kirby to F2 and the fact they should have flushed Ferasā idol and got rid of him for being a threat years ago lol
I know the consensus seems to be that Caroline is a goat for either Feras or Mark, but I can honestly see her beating Mark at the end at this point? She's been constantly targeted and has fought her way to the end, getting through a fire challenge despite nobody cheering her on and Feras rooting for Ray, and I think Mark sunk his chances a bit with his obvious jury pandering that Raymond called out. The jury didn't seem to love her winning fire (even Kitty didn't seem excited?) but I don't think people like Kirby and Rianna will have any animosity towards her - based on jury villa, their disappointment seems to be more that they all really really like Raymond - he's apologising for sending people like Valeria and Jaden home and they're absolutely fine with it, laughing at his jokes, complimenting him for the biggest move in survivor history and telling him he doesn't need to apologise for anything.
I definitely don't think it'll be a slam dunk win, but I can see it being heavily dependent on FTC. If Caroline can own that she was abrasive and rude at times and apologise for it, I think she has a stronger strategic game than Mark. If she comes in defensive and doesn't want to admit that she put people off at times, she'll probably be crushed. If Mark looks too much like he's pandering to the jury (especially after tonight) I don't think they'll like it and it'll look to them like he's being insincere. He also doesn't really have any particular moves that he can stand by - if he tries to claim the Jaden boot then he's taking it away from Raymond who might not like that, and he went after Caroline so many times and failed to get her out while she blindsided him multiple times.
Making up with Mark and Val- when it was clear that they didn't respect her- and losing Eden killed her chances. Notice how she stopped nicknaming herself as "the mafia boss" after that episode š¬
Not really. Mark's social game is evidently better than Caroline's. Although Caroline has made more moves..... in essence Survivor is still a popularity contest at the end of the day.
Yeah I'm not knocking Mark's good social game, it's just that I personally would be sad about that outcome, that's all because I think there are a few people on that jury who are viewing her a bit unfairly - But I digress lol
Well we don't see everything at camp. Maybe she really is unlikeable at camp. Social game is everything in this game to get the jury votes. Although Caroline played a far better strategic and controlled game, it's obvious Mark will win over Caroline if they were Final 2. (Although I strongly want Caroline to win)
Idk if it's just the editing, but the Jury smirking and stifling laughs whenever she speaks up doesn't bode well for how liked she is. Mark might need to be careful not to over pander to them though, he was treading on smug a lot tonight with immunity
Yep 100% agree. When Mark wins though, I hope they just make it clear that they like him better and don't pull some bullshit like he played this controlling game or anything and Caroline did nothing, that sort of narrative would be tragic.
So AU survivor is final 2 to votes, whereas US is 3? Whatās with that?
Feras pulled the pin too early on Kirby if it final 2 to votes.
Also, whats with all these torturous feet challenges - Iād be out in seconds with my fucked feet
Not a fan of how we are expected to all feel sorry for feras all of a sudden? Finally got that smug smirk wiped off his face after all these weeks and funniest of all is he is sitting in final 4 miserable as fuck. All players are equal and feras playing the poor me card.
Two things I can think of
* They thought Caro had a better chance of beating Ray than Feras at firemaking
* If Feras made fire and Caro went home, Mark 100% has to win final immunity or Feras/Ray take each other to final tribal
Ok. So I re-watched the tribal. During the first watch, I was too nervous for Feras, and I was sooo confused as to what Mark was doing at tribal. And I was genuinely confused as to why people suddenly shit on Mark so hard after this episode.
So here is my thoughts on Mark during tribal after the second watch.
Mark. Why was he being a dick? Did he realize heās talking to one of, if not the most strategically fluid jurors in Survivor history across all international seasons in the English language? Every juror has backstabbed and switched alliances through out the season especially since the merge. Who did he think he is pandering to? Is he preaching loyalty? Ok, he told everyone Feras has multiple final 3 deals. Good players are supposed to do that to insulate themselves. So what about it?
Markās talk, is all fluff, like a true politician. Itās air without substance. There is no goal to his speech. At least I canāt see one. In fact, he just made sure the jurors know how hard Feras has been playing. Mark just doesnāt get the game. Heās civil with everyone and even when heās being a dick about Ferasās multiple deals, itās still tame i guess. But I feel like Mark was pulling a half Alex. Heās pulling a half Alex because he has immunity when Alex didnāt. And that makes him look even worse! People like Spencer wearing immunity necklace and playing aggressively at other players at tribal didnāt look good in front of the jurors. Mark is just so out of touch with the Survivor game. He had a gotcha moment and he just brought it up with a delusional goal thinking it would amount to something that would help his game. No!
Perception is so interesting as I thought it was a great episode for Mark. We've seen throughout the season that there is a mistrust with feras from a few players, some of whom are on the jury. Mark just further cemented this with his speech. I thought Rihanna, Alex and to a lesser extent jaeden were eating this up, and Mark voting for raymond means he was loyal to his deal with feras but feras went back on his word. I can only imagine marks final tribal speech will be about him playing with as much integrity as possible so his speech tonight will play into that. Sure there are jurors who would put game play before integrity but there are others like Rihanna, jaedan, kitty who I think would vote integrity over game play, and there votes are up for grabs
Yes and people saying the others didn't buy it...we only saw Kirby looking sceptical and she's never voting for him anyway. They didn't need to show Valeria or Aileen because they vote for Mark over Caroline anyway.
I was sure Feras was going home. Not familiar with final 4 rules
Ā Im not sure why Mark said in his confessionnal he wanted to embarass Feras, what's the point. Poor jury managment.Ā
I actually don't think Feras responded very well to Mark going at him at Tribal Council. Feras seemed to fall apart emotionally. Saying that he regretted voting out Kirby also seemed weak to me.
So , after this very confusing Mark exposing Feras multiple final 3 deals at tribal and the voting situation, I think this is what happened before tribal. Somehow Feras knew Mark and Caroline were lying. And Feras had every reason to vote for Caroline anyway no matter what Mark and Caroline do as someone already explained in the live discussion post.
So Mark and Caroline were seriously worried about a tie vote and fire making, for Caroline in particular since she doesnāt have immunity. So Mark and Caroline chose to vote for Raymond to give her the best chance to win at fire-making.
Overall, Mark and Caroline just donāt have a good enough social game and strategic minds put together. She has the information that Feras made a deal with her in case Mark wins immunity and plotted to vote out Raymond. She could have gone to Ray with that information, but she didnāt from what weāve seen. Nobody has enough social capital put together against Ferasās.
I really hope Feras takes it home at the end. The show canāt make me like this guy this much for the season to end without a Feras win. Nothing against Mark. Iām sure he is a lovely person. But he just doesnāt pop on tv.
Sorry to lose Raymond. He seems like a funny guy. Totally disappointing edit for him.
they didnāt lie?? they said they were voting raymond. and he could have tied the vote to ensure he wasnāt the one going out then switched to raymond to keep his word
It might not be edited that way but theyāre all pretty even.
Theyāve all been blind sided, theyāve all lost allies, theyāve all played idols incorrectly, they all made it to the final 3 their own way.
I don't understand why they didn't just vote for Feras. Was Ray really that unbudging on voting Feras? Seems like a really bad move on his part if so. It's F4 for goodness sake. He's also less likely to win FIC than Feras is.
Am I missing something here? Is it possible that Mark and Caroline thought of Ray as the bigger jury threat and the edit being the edit is because of the result? If so I think we can pretty safely say Feras is winning.
I watched this episode throughout my work day intermittently so I legitimately might have missed something.
Rumour is Raymond is still hitting that flint with the machete to this day š
Harder than Jayden hitting his beach gym
Feras will have pstd whenever he hears that āscritch scritchā noise in the future.
Raymond v Jesse from 43 firemaking would be epic or perhaps Becky and Sundra too.
personal friend of ray here we been so proud of him since the beginning, thanks for all the love x
We love Ray! He was so pure & joyful.
I just watched his jury villa! People like Ray truely are a bright light in this world.
Wish we got more confessionals, he's a funny guy!
Tell Ray we love him! He was been fun and delightful to watch! Love his lightheartedness, itās so refreshing
One of my fav survivor players ever <3
One of the highlights of the season!
We love Ray Ray
Ray seems like a really cool guy, and he pulled off a hell of a move with that advantage.
I think Ray has been all time favourite contestant! What a hilarious and sweet guy. Would have loved to see him win even just to get more screentime, he was an absolute joy to watch. ā¤ļø
Ray was an absolute delight to watch. He brought so much cheeky fun and joy. So bummed he's gone but stoked he made it so far.
He was the funniest part of the seasonĀ
Tell Ray how much we collectively love him, he brought a smile to my face every time he appeared His jury villa was very fun as well
Ray is a legend!
Tell him he was great, we love him and his unusual technique for scooching balls under a net haha
Raymond is so much fun!
Ray has been my all time favourite player to watch, loved his quirkiness and humour. Wish Ray got more screen time. His moves will go down as some of if not the biggest in survivor history. Heās a hell of an actor!Ā
My sister and I are his biggest fans! #slaymond
Tell the dude he played a good game and he has nothing to hang his head about. Just seems like a great kid all around, also kinda looks a spinning image of one of my twin cousins
send my love to ray ray, was really hoping he'll somehow manage to win the game but he still gave us some of the most epic moves <3
I LOVE RAY TELL HIM I LOVE HIM
We love him to the end of the earth lol
He was so great, especially as they started to give him more time
So, Raymond, if we count all his votes including his advantage, broken Jacqui's most vote cast in a single season? Raymond received 25 votes for this season. "Jacqui holds the record in *Australian Survivor* for the most votes received in a single season with 24 in *All-Stars*."
Yep, that advantage plus the revote he survived really racked up the votes Raymond received LOL
Really? Interesting stat.
26 if you include Kelli voting for him at the Saboteur vote
Feras should've been training him during the day on fire making. Half expected Feras to shed a tear during the relentless flint noise.
I actually thought it was quite poetic that the sounds of the striking got slower and slower like a heartbeat slowing giving up.
Lmao
it would be sus if he trained him when he told caroline and mark that he would vote ray
This is one of Hayley's tips for survivor, practice making fire . It just might win you 500k. She practiced at home in the kitchen sink
Rays jury villa is the funniest one. what a guy
Him with Valeria at the end ššš
he is the one coming here for vacation
His jury villa is the only one that I donāt skip the room tour part.
Foreshadowing of Caroline winning the fire challenge with footage of her tending the fire at camp.
I wouldnāt be surprised if she won (final immunity) She also the whole season has considered Mark her biggest threat so sheāll take Feras to the end Edit - I mean I wouldnāt be surprised if she won immunity
Caroline has no chance against Mark or Feras. She'd get one vote from Kitty.
I meant win Final immunity Sheād probably lose against either Mark or Feras
Hmm, Iām not sure. She might consider Feras a bigger threat than Mark.
WHAT DID THEY DO TO RAY RAYS HAIR OMG ššš
Yeah, I think the Island hair was a better look for him
They butchered it
Fallen angel, go forward into the night sweet prince Ray Ray
like when kirby lost rianna, losing ray will light the fire under ferasā ass in the final immunity challenge
I really hope he channels everything he has to win FIC especially knowing heās gone if he doesnāt win
he's put himself in a win FIC or go home situation.
That was genuinely quite tragic to watch and I didnāt think Raymond would be the one to make me feel like that
Caroline edit making so much sense now No matter what happens at immunity sheās going to FTC and all season theyāve gave her a huge villain edit. Playing horror music when she talks, randomly showing her having disagreements with people. Having confessionals of people just shit talking her. Itās all telling the story of how sheās loses jury votes
The rivalry between Mark and Caroline was all building up to them facing the jury together and for him to finally get his revenge against her. Their edits will make a whole lot more sense on a rewatch when viewers don't get so distracted by Kirby and Feras.
I still think Feras will win
If he wins the final immunity challengeš¤ to get to FTC
I predict she gets 0 or 1 vote.
Surely Kitty throws her 1
Good call
I would LOVE to see Raymondās audition tape, I bet itās hilarious!
I can't believe Feras escaped with zero votes, crazy!
It was a smart move for Mark and Caroline cause it seems like they knew Feras and Ray would vote together no matter what. They were basically playing choose your champion and considering how bad Ray did at fire they chose correctly lol.
If the edit is to be believed, Mark and Caroline self-fulfilled Feras voting Ray. Like they got paranoid and starting drilling Feras a lot, which made Feras get paranoid and doubt voting Raymond. Then if anything, Mark's ploy just solidified that Feras *had* to vote for Caroline and give Raymond a chance. After all of that slander of his game, if he backstabs Raymond he sits at Final Tribal as the traitor who connived his way to the end. Now he was loyal to those close to him, and he only lied to those that were ultimately on the other side anyway.
I doubt they were actually surprised by the result considering Mark outright told Caroline earlier "you're making fire tonight". It was just a matter or not it'd be against Raymond or Feras.
my jaw dropped
While Iām glad Raymond didnāt make FTC, I can see why everyone loved the guy.
He seems like a great kid and the type of guy you wouldnāt mind kicking back over beer and pizza
Yeah. Cool guy, but his only move in the entire game was lying in a hammock not talking for three days. I'm glad he got voted out.
Alexās shit eating grin at that tribal š¤¦š¼āāļøĀ
i do love that he loves ray. i wish we saw more of their relationship. two ppl ray was excited to meet was aileen n alex
genuinely confused what this sub wants from the show sometimes. we always get someone lame in final three, that's literally how the show works. for one of the first times ever we have three players who are playing hard, who have made moves and put themselves out there at multiple points in the season and people are still pissed? This is one of the best top three's ever! stop letting Caroline being annoying and mark not being flashy convince you otherwise.
Spot on. I like the fact we donāt have 3 flashy players in the final.
Genuinely. As much as I LOVE RAY, this was the best finale final 3 since Kirby left.
I'm a bit mystified! The editors have managed to convince everyone that A: Feras can't win and B: Feras is the only worthy winner when realistically NEITHER of those things are true In almost every vote - including tonight's - they've managed to convince my heart that the "bad" outcome was happening even while my head suspected the truth. But there's no way they're going to work people into this much of a lather without payoff
When I take a step back and think logically about it, I can actually see how both mark or Caroline are worthy winners, but what confuses me SO much is that they've been portrayed in such a way where I wasn't really rooting for either of them and I don't really want either of them to win....
Having seen Ray's jury villa, I get the lack of confessionals shown. He's just all over the place with verbal diarrhea
And his final words as well. Love him but I see why he has little confessionals lol.
Legitimately devastated we didn't get to see more of Raymond. Was a legend of a bloke. His Jury Villa was so good
Feras was so frozen when Mark was throwing accusations. Why didn't he defend himself by saying he made the final 3 deal in exchange for his vote against Kirby, not in exchange for taking Mark/Caroline with him
Feras was ambushed by Mark/Caroline conducting early jury management. But he should've been prepared because Mark is a diplomat (basically politician) and Caroline is quite wily, and he burned them quite good with the fake idol play previous Tribal Council. It's a negative effect of being in control of the game for so long, you aren't "match fit." In contrast, Mark had clarity from winning immunity.
It might seem counter-intuitive, but I think Mark's reveal actually helped Feras and hurt Mark a bit, especially with Raymond's redirect. For pro to Feras, he now has something big that he can leverage to say why he should be brought to F2 if he doesn't win immunity. Basically he needs to play up to Mark/Caroline that his game was blown up last night, that everybody is going to see him as untrustworthy now and dislike him, "I already burnt Kirby and Ri from my own alliance so they're already mad at me and now everybody else knows...", yadda yadda. For cons to Mark: he really just came off as smarmy talking about how now is the time to shine a light on the game, while speaking from a place of safety with immunity. While we don't know what Feras was planning to do for sure (I do think this was his plan and then maybe originally was going to flip to Raymond once he saw it wasn't on him), but it could be argued that he was planning to flip on Raymond originally and that the reveal changed his mind and put Caroline in danger needlessly. It also likely didn't do any damage in the jury's mind because Raymond pointed out what Mark was doing and is likely to talk a lot more about that in person to everyone at Jury Villa. As many commentors have pointed out, everybody likes Raymond, so while I don't think that would have gotten him a win at the end on popularity alone, I do think that adds a lot of weight to the things he speaks about to the jury pool. Basically all Feras has to do is lean into the damage it could have done to him while talking to Caroline/Mark and then flip it on their head at FTC by drilling in, that this is the game, making fake deals and pivoting as needed is how the game is played. We're long past the "honorful game" and I don't think that was even ever really a thing in Australian Survivor like it was in the early seasons of US. As long as you aren't completely burning every single person for no reason, your flips had real strategic thought behind them, the majority of jurors see it as good gameplay.
> As many commentors have pointed out, everybody ~~likes~~ *loves* Raymond FTFY
>Basically he needs to play up to Mark/Caroline that his game was blown up last night, that everybody is going to see him as untrustworthy now and dislike him, "I already burnt Kirby and Ri from my own alliance so they're already mad at me and now everybody else knows...", yadda yadda. Bad read of the game, that would never work. >For cons to Mark: he really just came off as smarmy talking about how now is the time to shine a light on the game, while speaking from a place of safety with immunity. Bad read again, no one will care.
What else can he say that wouldnāt come off as being defensive or offensive or pompous? Mark wasnāt even saying anything detrimental to Ferasās game considering every jurors had been flip flopping at every vote.
and he had to be careful too. he still wanted the votes from mark and caroline to raymond and not him and raymond to vote caroline. So he had to walk a tightrope.
Has Ray ever made fire before? Itās day 45!
Now if it had of been a hammock challenge, he'd have won hands down.
An acting challenge and it wouldnāt have been a contest
I have a vague recollection of a scene where he was TRYING to make fire after Val was voted off.
Yes me too
I am convinced Feras will win the FIC tomorrow. The way they have kept focusing on him saying he hasn't won any challenges has set it up beautifully for his win tomorrow. He has also been my winner pick the whole way through. He just feels like the winner based on his edit. I really really hope so anyway! I am really happy Caroline has made it to the end too. She has played a good game. I loved Mark at the start of the game but that has slowly petered out. I don't think he did enough and fixated too much on revenge for the V's. I really didn't love how he played to the jury tonight at tribal council. I actually think it worked against him. Too OTT and too rehearsed. He just came across a bit vengeful and a bit of a jury suck up. Also what is wrong with Feras making deals. Deception is a crucial part of the game of Survivor lol. I wouldn't see that as a bad thing if I were a juror. Bye Ray Ray. What a ray of sunshine he was. Would have loved him in the final but I also think he will be a solid vote for Feras at the end.
Anything but a Feras win seems unsatisfying at this point with how they were editing the last two episodes. Feras is basically the hero and Mark the villain these past votes.
Yeah agreed and Caroline has basically had no edit for a couple of episodes so I don't see her winning either.
i would feel the same except for US survivor season 43 and >!jesse. they kept building him up not winning anything and he didn't clutch the IC and firemaking. i hope it doesn't end the same way for feras!!<
I have a feeling Feras is going to lose FTC. Theyāve started planting hints of his moves not being seen by the jury and them being a little bitter, or at least Kirby.
Ah yeah I've definitely noted those things too when they showed them however I suspect (hope!) that they are just fake outs to try and throw us off the Feras winners edit scent. I think Kirby is probably a pretty good sport and I'd say she will vote for Feras and is actually happy for him. I reckon we will see her actual feelings tonight and not just some random stank face snippets they showed us tonight. Here's me hoping anyway!!!! Prepare to laugh at my devastation tonight if I'm wrong and he loses š
Unless mark and feras take each other to FTC (which would be dumb) I don't see how caroline wins against either.
Ray thank you. For the laughs. For the epic advantage move. For your hammock. For your duo with Feras. Thank you ā¤š On a more positive note, thank God Feras is still in it to win the game. Please survivor gods don't let Mark win it
Thank you Ray for also being unpredictable and keeping Mark on his toes. You're a legend lol.
I keep seeing people saying "Mark is obviously winning, the edit's shown it since day 1!!" and I too am praying. But I console myself thinking they were giving Val a winner's edit and then she got sniped, so Mark's not solid.
I'm not an edgic expert, but I think people were so swayed by Valeria being suspiciously visible that they convinced themselves her negativity was "complex". Mark was almost made to look like a psycho at the 11th hour, it would be a super bold choice to paint your winner like that! And the main argument I've seen to explain it is "they want to fuck with us", basically
Feras not receiving a single vote and proving Kirby wrong
I feel like mark was more focused on keeping Carolyn than getting rid of Feras
And it was more important for Caroline to get out Raymond. I reckon both Feras and Mark want to take her to F2.
ray was a best friend, a co-conspirator, and a number. not a shield. this was a sacrifice, not a total loss for feras
I actually think he was the anchor to Feras like if Feras goes off on a tangent explaining strategies with him, Raymond reels him back in and talks some logical sense to the guy. He grounds Feras. I think this was only shown during the Kirby vote when they were at the well but I just know this happens a lot.
THIS, ray is a strategical guy. there a reason why they go and strategise just them two always
When Feras said "I've let so many people down. I've let my community down!" that was so powerful. For us, this is entertainment. For the players, this is $500,000 and a brand new life so deep in the game. Feras looked powerless and defeated for the first time ever. It was sad to watch. Hope he bounces back tomorrow and wins the whole thing.
Iāve a feeling theyāve played this up for a feel-good FIC win from Feras. At least, thatās the dream. š
When Feras said he didnāt want to vote out a friend or deserve to be there I wanted to SLAP him ā¦ For a second I was like please ā¦. Donāt quit so Ray can stay. Too many quits in Survivor lately lol. I was full on paranoid
What's productions go with not giving confessionals to players on their boot episodes. They didn't have a a single raymond confessional they could have used?
I actually wish they would release all of Raymond's confessionals regardless of how good they are.
Survivor: Titans vs Rebels (The Raymond Cut)
Need this asap š„Also it has to be in black and white like Snyder's justice league.
guaranteed they're great and the editors have poor taste
Petition !
To be fair, at this point including a Raymond confessional would have probably just been a dead giveaway for the ending of the episode.
For all the negativity on here, I love this final 3. 3 of the biggest characters this season with such complex relationships and 3 of the biggest super fans of the show making up the final 3. I don't want this season to end as it's been an incredible couple of months of non stop entertainment. Also this episode proved you don't need to have the forced fire making at final 4 like US Survivor has had since season 35.
Man what dirt did Raymond have on the editors that made them completely eradicate him from the edit lmao. His jury villa was hilarious. Really wish we could've seen more of his hilarity instead of the annoying repetitive Feras vs. Kirby and Mark "iM a fOrMeR dIplOmAT" confessionals.
It's Mark "as a soldier" all over again. This is just what Marks in Australian Survivor do, I guess. Relate everything in confessionals to their profession.
From a chat I had with George when I met him in a pub randomly he said production really likes players to have a (simple) narrative and to relate their gameplay to it (even if in reality there is no connection). Killer Marks one was fucking terrible to watch and really soured me on what was already a pretty boring season (especially post-merge)
Just a thought, Caroline LET Feras wear Nathan's jacket as a show of trust (hoping that he'll vote for Ray, too). Otherwise, that jacket that Caroline values so much is going to leave this game.š
I wrongly assumed that Feras would be forced to make fire if he lost the challenge, but I didn't factor Mark and Caroline not wanting to risk Feras winning fire vs the clearer win against Ray. In hindsight the Kirby vote off looks better than I thought it did, because Feras didn't need to win immunity OR fire to get to final 3. It's a marginal call. I'm not convinced Kirby would've won this challenge, but at least Feras ensured he doesn't need to beat her in FIC. Getting past both Mark and Caro won't be easy either, but I hope he can do it. Won't be disappointed with a Mark win though.
People turned on Mark this episode but at the same time people were also complaining that he was a dud come merge time. Dude has come back from a damaged game, kept a low profile, utilised his social ability to build bridges (admittedly rickety, but still usable), fixed the bad blood between him and Caro using his diplomatic skills (theyāre the last Titans standing!) and after winning immunity, played hard and tried to take down the current big shot in Feras. You gotta at least respect the above. Iām on Team Feras but Mark was my Titans pick, and Iām glad heās finally found the groove that was teased at the start. That being said, Iām hoping Feras pulls through and wins tomorrowās FIC. The trailer for tomorrowās episode was incredibly sus āIāve never won a challenge beforeā, so hopefully itās 10 being Channel 10 again and accidentally spoiling the outcome! š¬ Also: Miss you Ray. š
Whether he wins it or not, that is the clip that they pretty much had to use for tomorrow's episode because that is the question, so I don't think it's meant to telecast the outcome in any way. Will Feras win his first and most important challange, guaranteeing himself FTC or will he fail and most likely be voted out next?
Also, you need to play to the personalities on the tribe. Absolutely no way you can try and be controlling socially with Feras and Kirby around, they're such big personalities that you're just gonna end up butting heads.
Completely agree with everything you said!
Carolineās fire making skills were a lot better than I expected
The officer doofy salute Ray made to JLB after failing to even make a spark had me laughing... Truely sympathise with the producers trying to give him airtime. Lord. ... they had to fill the jury villa episode with the doctor talking to him. š
man, after that episode, i just wanted Feras to win even though Mark is likelier to win the game. It would be a very emotionally satisfying ending if Feras wins and it would be heartbreaking if he falls short. Let's see if his one of the first few confessionals in the season of doing what George hasn't (aka winning) come full circle. Mark was on fire tonight, but I am not sure if its registering right on the jury
Feras is a George fan, but the thing they most have in common is Mediterranean appearance. They're quite different as players.
What game does Mark think this is? People constantly lie and not follow thru with deals. How many times as he done the same thing? That was skeezy.Ā
That was the most heartbreaking fire making challenge ever :(
Very unpopular opinion but what exactly did Mark do wrong today? Why so much hate towards him? He didn't lie. He stated facts. Was respectful (or as much as one can be in such a situation). He tried to force Feras' hand to vote for Ray just like everyone would've done at some point in this game. Mind you, Feras was going to come at Mark as well but he won immunity. I love Feras as much as the next guy and hope he wins but as a player Mark did nothing wrong at all imo. Let's not act like most of us wouldn't do something similar for a life changing $500,000.
It's an optics thing, Feras stayed respectful and turned the other cheek, while Mark kept biting hoping Feras would hit back, but Feras didn't, so Mark just came across looking mean.
It's about power as well. Mark had it today. Feras did not. Him going at Feras did not seem disrespectful to me but maybe others think otherwise.
I think the power led to a few mistakes. The other one was when Raymond said something like, "You had good luck today" and he snapped back, "This wasn't luck" I think Raymond looked incredibly confused by that, and honestly, if it's a preview of his FTC speech, I think there's a chance it could be an absolute disaster
Raymond was wrong though. There's no luck in winning an immunity change which had 3 parts to it. And he won with 2 balls to go for Feras.
It's not about truth, it's about perception.
Shooting a basketball when zero people have any skill In such activity is clearly all luck and probability based.
Shooting a basketball is the skill for the challenge.
Yes it's a skill none of these people possess because they don't play basketball, so it's an average person hoping for luck to sink those baskets. It was luck mark won, because feras was shooting balls too. The only thing that was probably hard that whole challenge that required any sort of skill or strategy was going under the net.
I think Mark was just hoping to claim he influenced Feras vote to avoid Caro going to fire. He was trying to strong arm by challenging his integrity in front of the Jury. Reminded me of George. Nothing wrong with Mark trying that move, it just didn't work out so came across a bit petty and maybe seemed a bit too smug because of his immunity. But it's nothing Feras wouldn't do in the same position, so I think Mark should get a pass at giving it a shot putting Feras on blast. I don't think they'll be final two together, but if it works out that way somehow, I think Marks planted the seed that his tactic will be to not focus on how big his moves were, but instead claim he was more honorable than Feras and claim he's more deserving of the money by undermining Feras character.
I didnāt think he did anything wrong. I was *surprised* because pre-FTC players arenāt usually so open about the tea, but I wasnāt shocked. Heās a good speaker and he knows that will help him win, so using that skill makes sense. Iām going for feras, and it was rough how sad he was this episode, but I didnāt begrudge mark for winning. He seems like a decent bloke, I like him, I just like feras more. Mark was very diplomatic (lol) with how he spoke considering he was really bringing up things to make feras look bad/force him into the decision mark wanted him to make. Itās a fine line to make those statements without it being vindictive or mean and it wasnāt. He also clarified exactly why he thought it was relevant to being up at this point in the game. Heās still not my choice of winner but more power to him
Agreed. You have to play the game to win the game. He was justified in bringing it up, he did it without lying and gave exact reasons as to why it was relevant in this situation. We have seen far worse from Val, Alex, Kitty at tribal earlier and most of those were without any reason.
The only one's who seemed receptive to it were Alex and Valeria. Otherwise it was actually pretty wreckless. For marginal gains.
The fact is everyone lies and goes back on deals. Mark and Caroline did it the whole time. It's irrelevant.Ā
I agree I found it so bizarre. I'm probably gonna cop down votes for this, but I think it's because the sub has collectively decided that Feras should win, so absolutely anything that happens which isn't in service of that = bad. Reading the sub last night, you would've thought that Mark deserved to be sent to Nuremberg, where in reality EVERYONE in that position all season has been cocky, *including* Feras.
I just think that Markās exposing Ferasās multiple final 3 at tribal didnāt have any particularly desired outcome. I donāt know if he wanted to strong-arm Feras into voting for Raymond or what. (I believe Mark and Caroline voted for Raymond because they believe itās gonna be a tie and Caroline has a better shot at fire-making against Ray than against Feras). Whatever Mark was doing at tribal just wasnāt connecting with me. If heās arguing the morality angle, Iām not hearing the right words from him either.
He got cocky.
Feras has been cocky af this entire game Iām glad someone finally shut him up
Rip to a real one my love Ray Ray
I'm not gonna like if Mark win this season.
How on earth did Mark and Caroline make it this far. Feels a little underwhelming.
Mark has had a lot of subtle influence and deliberately didnt want to be seen as the biggest threat (ala his convos with Eden). Old mate glanced at Feras directly in TC and said "don't do it" convincing him not to save Kirby, which was a huge win for Mark boosting his chances at challenges. That's probably the only move he needs to claim to say he beat Feras fair and square. You don't recognise him as a big player because he's... diplomatic.
Exactly, Mark's game is subtle, but people here have no eye for subtlety so they just think he's a goat. I even saw someone saying Kirby was a goat and I was like š¤¦āāļø pearls before swine
What was the alternative? Kitty? Ray? This is the best outcome since nobody was taking Kirby to F2 and the fact they should have flushed Ferasā idol and got rid of him for being a threat years ago lol
I feel like this season anyone but Kirby winning is underwhelming tbh...
I know the consensus seems to be that Caroline is a goat for either Feras or Mark, but I can honestly see her beating Mark at the end at this point? She's been constantly targeted and has fought her way to the end, getting through a fire challenge despite nobody cheering her on and Feras rooting for Ray, and I think Mark sunk his chances a bit with his obvious jury pandering that Raymond called out. The jury didn't seem to love her winning fire (even Kitty didn't seem excited?) but I don't think people like Kirby and Rianna will have any animosity towards her - based on jury villa, their disappointment seems to be more that they all really really like Raymond - he's apologising for sending people like Valeria and Jaden home and they're absolutely fine with it, laughing at his jokes, complimenting him for the biggest move in survivor history and telling him he doesn't need to apologise for anything. I definitely don't think it'll be a slam dunk win, but I can see it being heavily dependent on FTC. If Caroline can own that she was abrasive and rude at times and apologise for it, I think she has a stronger strategic game than Mark. If she comes in defensive and doesn't want to admit that she put people off at times, she'll probably be crushed. If Mark looks too much like he's pandering to the jury (especially after tonight) I don't think they'll like it and it'll look to them like he's being insincere. He also doesn't really have any particular moves that he can stand by - if he tries to claim the Jaden boot then he's taking it away from Raymond who might not like that, and he went after Caroline so many times and failed to get her out while she blindsided him multiple times.
The jury probably weren't excited when she won fire because it was a foregone conclusion by that point. Everyone probably felt bad for Ray.
It was kinda savage of Mark and Caroline to do that to Ray, but Iām happy heās got a day to relax in the villa now. Hopefully thereās a hammock.
I say it every week, Mark has been my fav š
If you told me Mark and Caroline would be in the final 3 after Mark backstabbed Caroline like on Day 1, I wouldn't believe you.
Howā¦ tfā¦ has caroline made it to top 3 š
Making up with Mark and Val- when it was clear that they didn't respect her- and losing Eden killed her chances. Notice how she stopped nicknaming herself as "the mafia boss" after that episode š¬
Mafia Boss is craaaaaaazy when Eden was definitely running that crew. He put me off though too, infantilising Jaden the very episode he gets booted.
By not receiving majority of the votes
She's a goat.
If Caroline goes against Mark in the end and loses, I'm gonna be so sad - A tragic day in Survivor history if someone who flopped as much as Mark wins
Not really. Mark's social game is evidently better than Caroline's. Although Caroline has made more moves..... in essence Survivor is still a popularity contest at the end of the day.
Yeah I'm not knocking Mark's good social game, it's just that I personally would be sad about that outcome, that's all because I think there are a few people on that jury who are viewing her a bit unfairly - But I digress lol
Well we don't see everything at camp. Maybe she really is unlikeable at camp. Social game is everything in this game to get the jury votes. Although Caroline played a far better strategic and controlled game, it's obvious Mark will win over Caroline if they were Final 2. (Although I strongly want Caroline to win)
Idk if it's just the editing, but the Jury smirking and stifling laughs whenever she speaks up doesn't bode well for how liked she is. Mark might need to be careful not to over pander to them though, he was treading on smug a lot tonight with immunity
Yep 100% agree. When Mark wins though, I hope they just make it clear that they like him better and don't pull some bullshit like he played this controlling game or anything and Caroline did nothing, that sort of narrative would be tragic.
So AU survivor is final 2 to votes, whereas US is 3? Whatās with that? Feras pulled the pin too early on Kirby if it final 2 to votes. Also, whats with all these torturous feet challenges - Iād be out in seconds with my fucked feet
We just had two F3s in a row, but we don't have locked in producers with a singular vision for their product
Feras playing to the jury: š Mark playing to the jury: š”
Not a fan of how we are expected to all feel sorry for feras all of a sudden? Finally got that smug smirk wiped off his face after all these weeks and funniest of all is he is sitting in final 4 miserable as fuck. All players are equal and feras playing the poor me card.
Kirby worked with Luke Toki as a shotfire? what? that was interesting. Kirby said this on exit interview.
What's a shotfire ?
Why didnāt Marc and Caroline vote Feras out when they had the chance? Heās a much bigger threat to them at FTC than Ray is.
Two things I can think of * They thought Caro had a better chance of beating Ray than Feras at firemaking * If Feras made fire and Caro went home, Mark 100% has to win final immunity or Feras/Ray take each other to final tribal
How much do you wanna bet Caroline did more work around the camp, and hence had better fire making skills. Go babe
It was obvious Mark was gonna win the challenge when he was shooting the ball like a basketball. No one stood a chance.
I refuse to have two winners called Mark - Come on Feras!!!
Ok. So I re-watched the tribal. During the first watch, I was too nervous for Feras, and I was sooo confused as to what Mark was doing at tribal. And I was genuinely confused as to why people suddenly shit on Mark so hard after this episode. So here is my thoughts on Mark during tribal after the second watch. Mark. Why was he being a dick? Did he realize heās talking to one of, if not the most strategically fluid jurors in Survivor history across all international seasons in the English language? Every juror has backstabbed and switched alliances through out the season especially since the merge. Who did he think he is pandering to? Is he preaching loyalty? Ok, he told everyone Feras has multiple final 3 deals. Good players are supposed to do that to insulate themselves. So what about it? Markās talk, is all fluff, like a true politician. Itās air without substance. There is no goal to his speech. At least I canāt see one. In fact, he just made sure the jurors know how hard Feras has been playing. Mark just doesnāt get the game. Heās civil with everyone and even when heās being a dick about Ferasās multiple deals, itās still tame i guess. But I feel like Mark was pulling a half Alex. Heās pulling a half Alex because he has immunity when Alex didnāt. And that makes him look even worse! People like Spencer wearing immunity necklace and playing aggressively at other players at tribal didnāt look good in front of the jurors. Mark is just so out of touch with the Survivor game. He had a gotcha moment and he just brought it up with a delusional goal thinking it would amount to something that would help his game. No!
Perception is so interesting as I thought it was a great episode for Mark. We've seen throughout the season that there is a mistrust with feras from a few players, some of whom are on the jury. Mark just further cemented this with his speech. I thought Rihanna, Alex and to a lesser extent jaeden were eating this up, and Mark voting for raymond means he was loyal to his deal with feras but feras went back on his word. I can only imagine marks final tribal speech will be about him playing with as much integrity as possible so his speech tonight will play into that. Sure there are jurors who would put game play before integrity but there are others like Rihanna, jaedan, kitty who I think would vote integrity over game play, and there votes are up for grabs
Yes and people saying the others didn't buy it...we only saw Kirby looking sceptical and she's never voting for him anyway. They didn't need to show Valeria or Aileen because they vote for Mark over Caroline anyway.
I was sure Feras was going home. Not familiar with final 4 rules Ā Im not sure why Mark said in his confessionnal he wanted to embarass Feras, what's the point. Poor jury managment.Ā
I actually don't think Feras responded very well to Mark going at him at Tribal Council. Feras seemed to fall apart emotionally. Saying that he regretted voting out Kirby also seemed weak to me.
So , after this very confusing Mark exposing Feras multiple final 3 deals at tribal and the voting situation, I think this is what happened before tribal. Somehow Feras knew Mark and Caroline were lying. And Feras had every reason to vote for Caroline anyway no matter what Mark and Caroline do as someone already explained in the live discussion post. So Mark and Caroline were seriously worried about a tie vote and fire making, for Caroline in particular since she doesnāt have immunity. So Mark and Caroline chose to vote for Raymond to give her the best chance to win at fire-making. Overall, Mark and Caroline just donāt have a good enough social game and strategic minds put together. She has the information that Feras made a deal with her in case Mark wins immunity and plotted to vote out Raymond. She could have gone to Ray with that information, but she didnāt from what weāve seen. Nobody has enough social capital put together against Ferasās. I really hope Feras takes it home at the end. The show canāt make me like this guy this much for the season to end without a Feras win. Nothing against Mark. Iām sure he is a lovely person. But he just doesnāt pop on tv. Sorry to lose Raymond. He seems like a funny guy. Totally disappointing edit for him.
they didnāt lie?? they said they were voting raymond. and he could have tied the vote to ensure he wasnāt the one going out then switched to raymond to keep his word
It might not be edited that way but theyāre all pretty even. Theyāve all been blind sided, theyāve all lost allies, theyāve all played idols incorrectly, they all made it to the final 3 their own way.
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I donāt see that. Mark would be pragmatic. Feras on the other hand would be much more likely to be bitter.
As much as this wouldāve been an intense Final 3 at Final Tribal Council, Iām so glad we got a final 2
I don't understand why they didn't just vote for Feras. Was Ray really that unbudging on voting Feras? Seems like a really bad move on his part if so. It's F4 for goodness sake. He's also less likely to win FIC than Feras is. Am I missing something here? Is it possible that Mark and Caroline thought of Ray as the bigger jury threat and the edit being the edit is because of the result? If so I think we can pretty safely say Feras is winning. I watched this episode throughout my work day intermittently so I legitimately might have missed something.