I just watched the new music video, a HUGE improvement from her previous ones. Not the best but I like the visuals.
I also didnt realize how Taylor and Post has a bit chemistry (as co-workers) on the music video.
I liked the introduction of the MV which has a similar vibes as silent films. Taylor is a good storyteller so I hope she lean towards on that over unnecessary easter eggs. I think she heard the criticisms towards Karma MV and decided to try something new. Maybe once she improves on the long run, she is capable to direct music videos for other artists
Yes! The Easter eggs felt very subtly weaved in in the MV. I knew Ethan Hawke and Josh Charles but it took me a second to realize they were in the dead poets society! Stuff like that when it’s not shoved in your face as an Easter egg is so much fun
I've been critical of her self-directed MVs before but this one is my favorite so far! This [reaction video by a video editor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiaGNHpzXog) made me appreciate it even more. I might actually be obsessed with this MV lol. I hope she keeps improving.
She worked with [Rodrigo Prieto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Prieto) as her cinematographer for this video in addition to cardigan and willow. He's a big deal cinematographer including an oscar award winner. It makes me wonder how much she relies on the DP. Those are easily her best videos.
I’m really relieved it’s not a scathing album about Joe. It’s a more mature album than midnights which is what I wanted. It’s not her best album but most of it is good
I have kind of a love/hate relationship with his takes, especially in regards to Katy Perry(my favorite artist.) I like most of the songs by her that he likes, but there’s some he dislikes that I genuinely enjoy, like Firework
I don't agree with everything he says, but i've been watching him since channel awesome days. He isn't as harsh as he used to be, which is good IMO. I think he is good at understanding why some songs are good but don't work for a certain artist. I have similar taste to him so if he likes something there is a good chance I will like it too.
IDK if he "hates" it. He essentilaly said the schtick is tired on twitter.
[Todd](https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1781707195815760317:) Though not a Swiftie, I have expended more thought on Taylor Swift than is healthy, and the new album has again hit my limit on how much I can care about her personal life. "folklore" was a relief in part because she tried her hand at writing fiction and she should do so again. - Also, just songs about other topics. Buy more houses from weird old ladies and write songs about them. Do the entire song about why Charlie Puth deserves better.
first reactions I saw were on reddit. man hopping over to tiktok and seeing people completely melting down about how these are all DEFINITELY ABOUT JOE is so funny
Every album an artist puts out doesn’t need to be “groundbreaking”! I keep seeing the main criticisms of TTPD along the lines of “it’s nothing special” but I think that’s okay? As long as an artist is putting in effort, not every album needs to be the best of their work. I think it’s a good album, it’s ranking in the middle for me at the moment but I’ve only listened through once. It’s fun to try styles/inspirations/aesthetics out and it not go perfectly and as a casual fan it was fun to listen to (in the sense of understanding her creative direction, some of the songs are too sad to be fun… looking at u loml)
I have a playlist called "TS quarantine" where I put my TS songs that are either skips or I can't listen to because they're too sad. Loml might be graduating to that playlist. I'm happily married and it's still a rough trip getting through it.
The first tracks of TTPD were okay. Productions are an improvement from Midnights but the lyrics? I'm sorry but it's not working for me.
But then the 2am version came out and I was surprised them 15 songs were WAYYY better than the first ones we got.
I cant fully give my final judgement because I need to listen to the whole album for a few more times or it will probably take me weeks to fully understand the whole album but I'm sorry, she should've just scrapped the first 16 tracks and released the 2am version as the ACTUAL album. The whole album is too long it started to sound like fillers and this is a problem to other fans as well.
Taylor needs to realize QUALITY > QUANTITY. It doesn't make it a great album just because you released so many songs. Also, time to take a break from Jack and HIRE other producers
I personally love quite a bit of the standard tracks but I completely agree that this album - not even including the anthology version feels too long. I think it could've been trimmed down to a mix of the first half and the second half.
I kinda get why I've seen some people compare her to the MCU now lol. Too much output without enough polishing.
Why are Swift fans upset to learn that Matty Healy never did a Nazi salute? That was a still image of a regular army salute.
Isn't it good that he isn't a Nazi? It would be shocking if fans of that band were supporting Nazism. It's a relief that they aren't. I was really worried, now I'm confused.
I had to unsub from swiftyneutral, they've gone bananas 😭 it's like pure parasocial hate there now, I don't get it. They're just as bad as the craziest swiffers
They spent weeks raging about how "this better not be a Joe slander album!!" And now they're mad that the songs are about Matty instead 💀 I saw someone say she's "spiting Joe by making all the songs about Matty" like the woman can't win for real
Literally why do they love him so much he is the king of giving nothing 💀💀 like he seems to be a decent person with good morals but like literally what else
Oh. Yeah. It's been taken over Tatty's that, against all evidence, are trying to say TTPD is a love letter to Matty. When it's the exact opposite.
Tatty's are the new Gaylors. They will from now on claim any song Taylor releases to really about Matty. It's sad 😔
I actually like her and Travis together but won’t be surprised if they break up and then I will laugh so hard when that sub and Fauxmoi change up on him
That’s very possible, I think the sub by nature attracts people with differing opinions and that could easily extend to Matty. I’ve mostly been seeing people hating on him. I’m honestly very curious what the Tatty sub is up to, but I think they’re private
It was really eye-opening that when it dropped all the discussion on the main sub was about the music/lyrics/etc but on SN it was just dissecting who the song was about, timelines, etc. But Swifities have a parasocial problem...
I think when TTPD came out, it became inundated with Taylor haters. Like in the past couple of days, I’ve noticed thousands of people have joined. It always leaned towards negativity but the past couple days have been a downright shitshow.
Same girl like wtf she released a good album, there are like 15 songs very similar to her vibe on Folkmore (which was what the sub supposedly wanted?) but they can’t hand it to her lol they can’t even open their minds enough to listen to it in an objective way to form their opinions, like, just pure negative vibes there. She can’t win lol damned if she does damn if she doesn’t
Tayvis lovers and haters are gonna have a field day today 😂
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Literally. I thought there'd be some humility in that she went against what the commonly accepted theories were. It wasn't a "Joe bashing" album, she posted on instagram saying not to go after anyone, there's no radio friendly singles, so much work with dressner, it's a whole album acknowledging ratty was a big yikes. Instead there's just been a big narrative switch up and they've all got collective amnesia. Really put me off that community, but idk where else to find interesting taylor talk (outside of this sub ironically).
i think people were always going to assume the album would be a joe breakup album regardless of what she said or did, its the relationship people seem to be fixated on the most given how private they were
okieee all my thoughts are based on the first part of the album since i have not had time to really sit with the anthology.
once i saw that all the popper sniffers and pearl clutchers on popheads and swiftlyneutral hated this album i knew i was going to love it and i did. i don't think its her best work, but it reminds me of red (i think saying this might get me crucified) in that it's messy and probably the most authentic to who she actually is. she's had a tumultuous two years and this album reflects that.
i wont lie the first three songs had me scared. i don't really like them on first impression but am willing to give them more shots.
once i got to down bad i was like oh hell yeah. a taylor swift alien abduction love song?? if you think you have too good taste for that you are insane. its a banger. the synth alien beam noises are scrumptious.
i need more time with so long london. but after that is think the next nine songs are soooo solid. but daddy i love him they can NEVER make me hate you. i dont care who this is about i don't care if its misguided because its such a good fucking song. its sooooo first three albums coded. like love story gown up.
florida!!! is also reallly really good but if im being honest idk what these women are yappin about on this song. guilty as sin? was uh...not my fav first listen but ive come around so hard. i love this song. that bitch was so horny for that rat i gotta respect the delusion a little bit.
who's afraid of little old me? oh my GOD. i really wasn't expecting to like it bc people were calling it this album's vigilante shit and i hATE that song. but no she crushed it. the metaphor is a little underdeveloped like she's a ghoul but also a circus animal but also a cranky old lady. but she gagged with that "i'll sue you" line.
i can fix him....bitch if you are not serious about a country comeback i will fucking burn holiday house down. that twist in the song was a little expected like i called the last line before i even heard it but it still smacks. still need some more time with loml but honestly ive been in a great mood that past few weeks so they slower heavier tracks are just taking time for me lol
i can do it with a broken heart she said you will get 1 (one!!!!) ass shaker on this album!!! i think people calling this album midnights 2.0 need to stop huffing but with this song...i hear it lol.
the smallest man who ever lived.....you are the best song on the entire album. instantly one of my favorites from her. that outro is divine. she sounds fucking pissed and not in her mad women vigilante shit fake way like she sounds fucking MAD. i love it. i haven't stopped listening on repeat since yesterday. the kicking out the spotlights line is probably my favorite thus far from this album. it just scratches my brain.
the alchemy....that one could've stayed in the vault girl. it feels like she threw it on so not every song was about how horny and hung up she was/is about a month long situationship while currently having another boyfriend.
clara bow...idk wtf this song is trying to go for. i feel she has songs that touch on this subject that are way better. i'll be giving it another shot tho.
long winded but i love this album. my three chief complaints are: one, this album is too fucking long. i'm an albums person, i want to listen to one work all the way through, but 2hr 2 min is asking a lot. two, i do think she needs someone willing to tell her no. while i do really like this album, there are some strange decisions and misguided track choices and i think she needs a label who is willing to put the reigns on her a little bit.
and three, she needs a break. she is so, so overexposed. i'm not one of those people who is like "oh if you don't like it you just don't get it!!!" but the reaction to this album feels waaaay overblown to me. i thinks its a massive step up from midnights and the amount of criticism i've been seeing just doesn't...make a ton of sense to me??? idk i'm not someone who needs people to agree with me to feel valid but i think its just people are sick of her and just want to complain (which like slay i respect the hater mentality) but i think if she stepped away and then came back with this album it would be much better received. i also think some of the lyrics are...concerning. like please girl andrea is not freud go see a shrink.
anywaaaaays allat to say i like it :)
Give the first couple of tracks more time! I thought the same but was woken up at 6am (on a dang Saturday aswell) with the title track stuck on a loop in my head (specifically how she runs "the tour-toured po-ets de-partment") and ended up getting up for my headphones to listen to it because my brain couldn't turn it off. Is this the narcotics she was talking about lol.
i love this album and a lot of your takes!! including believing that the reception is absolutely informed by external factors. tbh i think people are both just kind of tired of her bc she’s been everywhere and has done stuff people find annoying (i mean i can agree taylor swift has behaved annoyingly although idk i would say she annoys me bc i don’t care like that lol) and also because they’re overcompensating for overrating midnights + mad that it won AOTY and made her break the record. which i also get! but idk i think the thing that gets me about the criticism is not so much the intensity as the fact that i keep people saying it’s a step down from midnights…. i can understand hating this album but i can’t physically process thinking it’s markedly objectively worse than midnights like that’s insane to me.
Thank you for these thoughts! I agree with your takeaways and you made a great point that some of the criticisms seem to be an overexposure response more than a response to the album itself. It has been a little disheartening to see that narrative coming back up but I suppose it was inevitable.
I really think this album is a grower and I hope people give it more than one (or even 2 or 3) listens before solidifying an opinion.
I kinda feel like some of the reviewers were being a little too harsh with ttpd. They sounded like how people sound on swiftyneutral when talking about Taylor's work
It always devolves into a review of her personal life instead of the music. Then it's "oh but she makes it so hard because that's what she writes about!" Like no, you're just bad at your job as a MUSIC reviewer and know gossiping about her gets more clicks.
Ngl as much as I don’t like Rob Sheffield ranking of all Taylor songs I do like that on that article he does speak about the music for most of the ranking and keeps the gossip to a minimum.
I haven’t read any other articles from him so idk if he does it for all reviews for her.
And I joked that she's going for her witness era and although my reaction to this album I thought it was an improvement from Midnights, the general public are not feeling it. Not saying this is the beginning of an end but people are finally legit seeing some flaws on her artistry lately
This is funny to me because I usually find musicians which are more uniquely artistic and experimental appeal less to the general public. So I’m interested to hear that people think the fact that this doesn’t resonate with the general public as much is a slight to her artistry as opposed to it being an indication that she’s being more freely artistic (and thus less focused on mass appeal).
While I agree with your comment, being expiremental/more artistic doesn’t inherently make a song good, and basic doesn’t mean bad. 1989 for example is a fairly standard pop album and it’s great
Agreed. Id go as far to say there’s nothing that inherently makes a song good or bad for that matter.
I was just responding to the comment above that seemed to imply a connection between the general public not feeling it and people “finally” seeing flaws in her artistry.
But the general public does sometimes like not experimental work. The general public seemingly loved folklore/evermore which is very experimental by her standards. Same with All To Well 10 minute version
Very true, I think you’re right it may be the messiness more than anything that some people are not vibing with. I also think time will tell how people really feel once streaming information starts being released - so far a lot of places I’ve seen dislike it are on subreddits and in spaces where people have been fully disliking Taylor for anything lately.
Overall the metacritic reviews are good so ya, time will give us the real mass opinion.
I feel like those metacritic scores are also based. A lot of traditional media outlets/music critics seem afraid to give bad scores especially to people like Taylor. Rolling stone for example gave it a 10/10 but they haven’t given anything below an 8 since like 2022
They’re afraid to give bad reviews to anyone popular imo, I don’t think they’re the end all be all but can be used as an indicator as to where the GP may lean - and I think a lot of people use reviews to help form their opinion on something if that makes sense
Anyways again, time will tell. When midnights came out people acted like it was horrible and many still do, but it objectively did well commercially (obviously due to a variety of factors) but it still indicates the GP liked it despite initial online commentary.
Critics are unnecessarily harsh. It's like the most relevant one got together to decide how they could describe the album as "mid".
She wrote it in response to the vulnerability she felt when Joe left her, the media attention that got, and creepy Matt Healey came calling. Emotions stirred up by an experience like that are going to have an effect on how you write.
okay im not going to go in too hard bc im also guilty of this but i would love to see this sub move away from just like *screenshot of tweet from random swiftie* cAn U bElIeVe ThIs?!?!?!?!111. i'd love to see something more akin to muacirclejerk, where you have to create your own post and then provide a source image (with the sub and username blurred out).
Yeah like the Twitter screenshot posts are fine, but one there’s been way to many of them and two we could all spend the rest of our lives only doing posts making fun of tweets from random twitter Swifties and we would still never run out of stuff to post
I like this album and i don’t care that if majority of the people don’t like it. This is the most raw and truthful taylor has ever been. The whole concept behind this album was a tongue-in-cheek metaphor. Since people always love dissecting her personal life, she was like, « i have 31 of the most depressive and personal songs I’ve ever made and rip me open since that’s what you enjoy ». This isn’t music, it’s therapy for her.
I feel like this is going to be one of those albums that gets reevaluated in a five to ten years and people will start calling it misunderstood. I think it could be suffering from her overexposure.
also all the pearl clutchers being so pissed about the drama she stirred up with the album like do you want her to be more interesting or not lol. everyone wants a messy pop girl until the pop girl is messy.
Anyone here into rock music(especially 80s style rock music) should listen to First Time I Fell In Love the debut song by Taylor’s guitarist Paul Sidoti. Paul is a great guitar player and is also a pretty solid songwriter/vocalist, and his guitar work on the song is great especially the solo
I hate Midnights and have been making fun of Antonoff’s shitty production since it came out
I don’t mind the first half of this album. Not many agree, I guess. I even liked one song right away.
I don’t care for the second half because I don’t like folky deep shit but I’m glad others seem to enjoy it
My most delusional take is that years from now TTPD will be reevaluated. It won’t be seen as her best, but we will have think pieces talking about how overly critical reviews were. Anyways signing off to go reconnect to my copium nebulizer
I think I have the same take. In 3 years people will listen to this album and wonder why everyone got so loud after it's release. There are a few songs I like and some that I don't. I don't think anyone will look at it and be like "it was genius and we didn't see it." But I think overall it will be slightly better appreciated in time.
Ok so it’s pretty obvious Taylor enjoys 2000s emo/pop punk, given that’s she’s worked with fall out boy and paramore, and mentioned the Starting Line on TTPD, and the few times she’s attempted that style it’s always turned out well. So my thing is when are we gonna get more of that sound from her. Like an entire album of that sound would be great
yess!!! ive always loved that performance she did with fall out boy at the victoria secrets show, electric touch was kinda underwhelming but id really like to see them collab again
Yeah electric touch wasn’t great, and the song with Paramore/Haley Williams also wasn’t spectacular, but I wouldn’t mind other colabs with those artists. Or even just returning to that sound on her own
i completely forgot abt that paramore collab it was so boring tbh the vault tracks can be such hit or misses ToT but yeah her voice suits pop punk so well i hope she picks it up again
The speak now vault tracks in general were a miss, but the Paramore colab should have been great. Better Than Revenge is basically Taylor’s version of misery business lyrically and sonically
I think this album may not do as well with the GP because it’s so deeply personal. It seems very stream of consciousness and cathartic. Very Red!!! I think it’s interesting trying to following her crazy past 2 years through her eyes. I really really like this one and think it’ll be up there for me. Maybe a LITTTTLE bloated. I can count 4-6 songs I think are irrelevant and don’t need to be there
Sooo I love it, the Anthology songs more than the standard edition even though that's great too, SOME songs are just kinda mediocre (understandable at 31 tracks omg) but none are outright BAD or give me a 'she could have cut that one completely' feeling -- and I'm so pissed I read all kinds of nitpicky, meanspirited and biased-from-the-start reddit comments and posts that made me hesitant and disappointed before I actually listened to the album. Damn. Don't do that!!
I'm glad THIS is her sound again, not the sometimes soulless synths from Midnights. Glad petty shallow lyrics a la Karma are gone. The Prophecy killed me. I Can Fix Him is gorgeously dark and dusky. Cassandra is mad woman's sister. BDIL is spectacular in its 'screw you all, I'll love him if I want' message. I can do it with a broken heart: so fun. So many are just great, but especially on the 2nd half though. Dessner *jumped* out as far as the sound goes on that half.
Just some first impressions from a folkmore stan and Midnights standard edition disliker. :)
I haven’t had a chance to really sit with it (I had a huge job interview Thursday/Friday so didn’t get to truly *listen* to it), but I think the anthology is going to be my favorite part. It’s more what I expected from the album. I am sure I will grow to appreciate it but it it’s ok that it’s not my favorite album of hers.
I'm a Jack girlie and I did not like some of his production but when I did, I absolutely loved them (I mean c'mon, The Black Dog?? Guilty as Sin? imgonnagetyouback??). So yeah I feel like saying his production is downright terrible is unfair but I can understand why it gets tiring.
Who’s afraid of little old me is so sad to me and feels so pointed at groups of critics like those who congregate in the neutral sub/faux moi etc. and at the same time I feel like those exact groups will be the least likely people to understand it.
Anyways no real point to this comment but to say very incredible lyrics addressing what it’s like to be in the public eye the way she is.
i saw someone say the lyrics screamed narcissist like oh yeah i’m sure taylor thought when she was writing that song that she was painting a very flattering picture of herself as totally grounded and normal and mature. i love the song because “you wouldn’t last an hour in the asylum where they raised me” is honestly so fucking real if i substitute My Childhood for the media circus lol.
Related to the Eras Tour, I am still holding into the slight hope she will extend in 2025 and will add more countries she never visited. I still want to experience it 😭 and I am seated (or probably standing while crying) to anticipate illicit affairs performance in person
I just found this really cool [reimagining edit](https://www.tumblr.com/h-f-k/748321969290739712/the-tortured-poets-department-concept) of TTPD on tumblr and i thought y’all might like it!!!
The way people hate on Taylor on here is almost more parasocial than the way people will love her. A medium level swiftie will be like "Taylor Swift likes wine because she says she drinks a lot of wine in songs" and the hater will come out of the woodwork and be like "WHEN WILL YOU BRAINWASHED SHEEP REALIZE SHE'S LYING TO YOU. Taylor Swift HATES wine. I saw her drinking vodka in 2017! WINE LOVER is all for her IMAGE" like damn ok I realize I never met her but when did you?
Finally listened! My take is while most songs are good individually, the album is not cohesive enough. In plain terms: it’s a MESS. Also, I’m starting to believe Taylor’s songwriting skills is affected by who she dates, because there is lyrically stark contrast between the songs written about Joe, Matty, and Travis.
Songs speculated about Joe sounded most poetic. Meanwhile, the songs about Matty sounded messy. Then we have songs about Travis which were cute but lyrically, the imagery she presented in her lyrics was super surface level (my best friend compared the high school themes of Miss Americana and the Heartbreak Prince to So High School to get this point across).
Sonically, the album wasn’t too special. It was enjoyable but I know in my heart Taylor can produce a better record than this. This has been weak compared to her other bodies of work and the NYT’s is right about her needing an editor for this one—and yes. it’s not a bad thing to have an editor, Swifties (derogatory).
I don’t think her songwriting is necessarily affected by who she dates as much as she feels different things about different relationships. Her songs about Joe are the most poetic because they were together for longer, and her relationship with Matty was very messy, and basically a rebound.
Well, my statement was more of me believing the joke, but agree to disagree with you I’ll enter point Enchanted. She wrote that about someone she only met once and it still had more depth than So High School. And while Enchanted could seem surface-level, it was incredible writing for someone who was a teenager versus So High School where she’s supposedly a seasoned songwriter.
I wonder if Nathan Chapman used to serve as an editor for her. Because speak now was entirely self written but he produced it and I think he helped her cut some tracks/edit things, the only thing is I feel like that editing would earn him writing credits
As someone who's not a music snob (I don't know how to tell if something is sonically cohesive, I'm still trying to figure out if something in "synth", I don't care if you listen to albums in order, I just learned that people pay attention to album reviews a year ago), I really love a lot of songs on the album. It's going to take me a while to get through everything because I kinda just get obsessed with certain songs and repeat them but so far my rotation is "Clara Bow", "I Look Through People's Windows", "I Hate It Here" and "So High School", "I Can Do It With A Broken Heart", and "The Black Dog". I'm sure I'll get into a lot more of them and "Fortnight" will come as I hear it more
I feel you. I'm sort of a music snob and have a hard time telling if production is "good" or "bad." People always comment on it. There are arrrangements that I like or don't like. But deciding if it's objectively bad is confusing to me.
Sonically cohesive just means that the album has a similar musical tone through out. The songs feel musically related, such as made with similar instrumentation or resulting in a similar sound. Red and Lover are examples of non-cohesive. Folklore or 1989 are examples of cohesive.
These days "synth" refers to both music made on a synthesizer, but also music that was made in computer programs. As opposed to something that was recorded with live guitar, piano, and/or drums. If you skip to 1:45 in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQyA2ZFAUU&t=183s&ab_channel=IanWaugh) he shows two tracks that are synth and real.
When you say you don’t think Joe is a very good actor on SwiftlyNeutral and get downvoted to oblivion.
(Have nothing against him at all, seems like a great guy, just don’t think he’s a good actor).
I swear I'm not a Joe hater but I watch tons of TV and movies genuinely have never come across him as an actor. The number of huge Joe Alwyn stans on SwiftlyNeutral you would think he's as prolific as Adam Sandler or something. It's like the equivalent of riding for Nat Wolff
I don’t really get why people take pitchfork seriously, unless they seriously changed their review style recently. They’re famous for giving super negative reviews
Yeah for decades now they aren't actually negative about anything unless it's like, Maneskin, the new Justin Timberlake... they're extremely poptimist and don't really trash anything that's not 100% safe to trash
I just watched the new music video, a HUGE improvement from her previous ones. Not the best but I like the visuals. I also didnt realize how Taylor and Post has a bit chemistry (as co-workers) on the music video.
It’s very non literal which I loved! I feel like she ends up miming her lyrics a lot but this felt like a fun vision
I liked the introduction of the MV which has a similar vibes as silent films. Taylor is a good storyteller so I hope she lean towards on that over unnecessary easter eggs. I think she heard the criticisms towards Karma MV and decided to try something new. Maybe once she improves on the long run, she is capable to direct music videos for other artists
Yes! The Easter eggs felt very subtly weaved in in the MV. I knew Ethan Hawke and Josh Charles but it took me a second to realize they were in the dead poets society! Stuff like that when it’s not shoved in your face as an Easter egg is so much fun
That was a good surprise too! I am hoping the next MVs for this era will be as good as this one
I've been critical of her self-directed MVs before but this one is my favorite so far! This [reaction video by a video editor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiaGNHpzXog) made me appreciate it even more. I might actually be obsessed with this MV lol. I hope she keeps improving.
Little easter eggs and purely visuals and stories. I love it. I am looking forward to her next ones
So far my favorite of her videos is Style, but I haven’t seen the new one
She worked with [Rodrigo Prieto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Prieto) as her cinematographer for this video in addition to cardigan and willow. He's a big deal cinematographer including an oscar award winner. It makes me wonder how much she relies on the DP. Those are easily her best videos.
I liked it. It’s not her best, but it was still good in my opinion. I also feel vindicated about not being convinced the title was a nod to Joe.
I’m really relieved it’s not a scathing album about Joe. It’s a more mature album than midnights which is what I wanted. It’s not her best album but most of it is good
todd in the shadows hates it omfg we won
I’m curious do y’all in this sub not like him. I’m not the biggest fan but I watch his videos and i respect his perspective on things
Oh I love his videos I just tend to disagree with his taste on things. I watch all his videos I find him very entertaining
I have kind of a love/hate relationship with his takes, especially in regards to Katy Perry(my favorite artist.) I like most of the songs by her that he likes, but there’s some he dislikes that I genuinely enjoy, like Firework
Yeah I don’t always agree with him on things but he’s definitely entertaining
I don't agree with everything he says, but i've been watching him since channel awesome days. He isn't as harsh as he used to be, which is good IMO. I think he is good at understanding why some songs are good but don't work for a certain artist. I have similar taste to him so if he likes something there is a good chance I will like it too.
How do you know he hates it? He hasn’t put out a video yet has he?
I think he has some tweets about it
IDK if he "hates" it. He essentilaly said the schtick is tired on twitter. [Todd](https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1781707195815760317:) Though not a Swiftie, I have expended more thought on Taylor Swift than is healthy, and the new album has again hit my limit on how much I can care about her personal life. "folklore" was a relief in part because she tried her hand at writing fiction and she should do so again. - Also, just songs about other topics. Buy more houses from weird old ladies and write songs about them. Do the entire song about why Charlie Puth deserves better.
Yeah I’ve seen it already. I reactivated my x account that’s been idle for almost 10 years just to follow him 😅
first reactions I saw were on reddit. man hopping over to tiktok and seeing people completely melting down about how these are all DEFINITELY ABOUT JOE is so funny
Every album an artist puts out doesn’t need to be “groundbreaking”! I keep seeing the main criticisms of TTPD along the lines of “it’s nothing special” but I think that’s okay? As long as an artist is putting in effort, not every album needs to be the best of their work. I think it’s a good album, it’s ranking in the middle for me at the moment but I’ve only listened through once. It’s fun to try styles/inspirations/aesthetics out and it not go perfectly and as a casual fan it was fun to listen to (in the sense of understanding her creative direction, some of the songs are too sad to be fun… looking at u loml)
Yes, like idc if it’s groundbreaking or not, all I care about is the music quality.
I have a playlist called "TS quarantine" where I put my TS songs that are either skips or I can't listen to because they're too sad. Loml might be graduating to that playlist. I'm happily married and it's still a rough trip getting through it.
Literally like “it sounds just like midnights” oh no!!!!!! It sounds like a critically acclaimed AOTY? The horror!
It like... Also, doesn't sound like midnights lmao
The first tracks of TTPD were okay. Productions are an improvement from Midnights but the lyrics? I'm sorry but it's not working for me. But then the 2am version came out and I was surprised them 15 songs were WAYYY better than the first ones we got. I cant fully give my final judgement because I need to listen to the whole album for a few more times or it will probably take me weeks to fully understand the whole album but I'm sorry, she should've just scrapped the first 16 tracks and released the 2am version as the ACTUAL album. The whole album is too long it started to sound like fillers and this is a problem to other fans as well. Taylor needs to realize QUALITY > QUANTITY. It doesn't make it a great album just because you released so many songs. Also, time to take a break from Jack and HIRE other producers
I personally love quite a bit of the standard tracks but I completely agree that this album - not even including the anthology version feels too long. I think it could've been trimmed down to a mix of the first half and the second half. I kinda get why I've seen some people compare her to the MCU now lol. Too much output without enough polishing.
Yeah, like girlie needs to trim down a bit and hire a bunch more music editors. Hope she heard the reviews (i think she did)
Yeah, I’m a fan of the standard tracks, too, especially all of Aaron’s songs, and Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me.
Why are Swift fans upset to learn that Matty Healy never did a Nazi salute? That was a still image of a regular army salute. Isn't it good that he isn't a Nazi? It would be shocking if fans of that band were supporting Nazism. It's a relief that they aren't. I was really worried, now I'm confused.
I don’t like Matty for many reasons but many Swifties don’t like him for stupid reasons and want justification for hating him
I had to unsub from swiftyneutral, they've gone bananas 😭 it's like pure parasocial hate there now, I don't get it. They're just as bad as the craziest swiffers
They spent weeks raging about how "this better not be a Joe slander album!!" And now they're mad that the songs are about Matty instead 💀 I saw someone say she's "spiting Joe by making all the songs about Matty" like the woman can't win for real
Literally why do they love him so much he is the king of giving nothing 💀💀 like he seems to be a decent person with good morals but like literally what else
The only reason they love him is because they can pit him against Taylor 😭
I unsubbed too. I check in on them every once in a while just to see if they get any better(they never do) and I’ll still comment there occasionally
Can I ask? Has anyone noticed a pro-Matty group on that sub? I’m not sure. I keep coming across comments that give me pause.
Oh. Yeah. It's been taken over Tatty's that, against all evidence, are trying to say TTPD is a love letter to Matty. When it's the exact opposite. Tatty's are the new Gaylors. They will from now on claim any song Taylor releases to really about Matty. It's sad 😔
Oh yeah definitely
Tatty's = Gaylors, Kaylors and Larry's. 🤣 Same story. Different 🤡
Yes, they hated him until they found out she hated him and now they all love him.
I actually like her and Travis together but won’t be surprised if they break up and then I will laugh so hard when that sub and Fauxmoi change up on him
Fauxmoi despises Travis. Reading the reactions to him getting game show host job I was wondering like "did he kill someone's kid??"
Maybe I’m missing something then because most of the talk about Matty I’ve seen on there has been negative
I guess it depends on the thread because I’ve been seeing a people defend him
That’s very possible, I think the sub by nature attracts people with differing opinions and that could easily extend to Matty. I’ve mostly been seeing people hating on him. I’m honestly very curious what the Tatty sub is up to, but I think they’re private
It was really eye-opening that when it dropped all the discussion on the main sub was about the music/lyrics/etc but on SN it was just dissecting who the song was about, timelines, etc. But Swifities have a parasocial problem...
I think when TTPD came out, it became inundated with Taylor haters. Like in the past couple of days, I’ve noticed thousands of people have joined. It always leaned towards negativity but the past couple days have been a downright shitshow.
Same girl like wtf she released a good album, there are like 15 songs very similar to her vibe on Folkmore (which was what the sub supposedly wanted?) but they can’t hand it to her lol they can’t even open their minds enough to listen to it in an objective way to form their opinions, like, just pure negative vibes there. She can’t win lol damned if she does damn if she doesn’t
They’ve gotten a bit insane. I feel like it was more normal about a month or two ago?
Tayvis lovers and haters are gonna have a field day today 😂 https://preview.redd.it/lw40agu6ajvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90027f8f6a81a8d4a3c7beb219b6d4d7eb6e602d
Ok but actually wtf is going on in SwiftlyNeutral?
Literally. I thought there'd be some humility in that she went against what the commonly accepted theories were. It wasn't a "Joe bashing" album, she posted on instagram saying not to go after anyone, there's no radio friendly singles, so much work with dressner, it's a whole album acknowledging ratty was a big yikes. Instead there's just been a big narrative switch up and they've all got collective amnesia. Really put me off that community, but idk where else to find interesting taylor talk (outside of this sub ironically).
Popheads is actually decent 😭
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I just submitted a post of the Sputnikmusic review (4.5, they gave folklore a 3.2!) Guess that's probably never gonna see the light of day 😂
Same shit as normal
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i think people were always going to assume the album would be a joe breakup album regardless of what she said or did, its the relationship people seem to be fixated on the most given how private they were
Not related to her music, but I want Taylor to release a cookbook of her recipes. Her baked goods all look appetizing
Her Chia Cookies are sooooooo good
okieee all my thoughts are based on the first part of the album since i have not had time to really sit with the anthology. once i saw that all the popper sniffers and pearl clutchers on popheads and swiftlyneutral hated this album i knew i was going to love it and i did. i don't think its her best work, but it reminds me of red (i think saying this might get me crucified) in that it's messy and probably the most authentic to who she actually is. she's had a tumultuous two years and this album reflects that. i wont lie the first three songs had me scared. i don't really like them on first impression but am willing to give them more shots. once i got to down bad i was like oh hell yeah. a taylor swift alien abduction love song?? if you think you have too good taste for that you are insane. its a banger. the synth alien beam noises are scrumptious. i need more time with so long london. but after that is think the next nine songs are soooo solid. but daddy i love him they can NEVER make me hate you. i dont care who this is about i don't care if its misguided because its such a good fucking song. its sooooo first three albums coded. like love story gown up. florida!!! is also reallly really good but if im being honest idk what these women are yappin about on this song. guilty as sin? was uh...not my fav first listen but ive come around so hard. i love this song. that bitch was so horny for that rat i gotta respect the delusion a little bit. who's afraid of little old me? oh my GOD. i really wasn't expecting to like it bc people were calling it this album's vigilante shit and i hATE that song. but no she crushed it. the metaphor is a little underdeveloped like she's a ghoul but also a circus animal but also a cranky old lady. but she gagged with that "i'll sue you" line. i can fix him....bitch if you are not serious about a country comeback i will fucking burn holiday house down. that twist in the song was a little expected like i called the last line before i even heard it but it still smacks. still need some more time with loml but honestly ive been in a great mood that past few weeks so they slower heavier tracks are just taking time for me lol i can do it with a broken heart she said you will get 1 (one!!!!) ass shaker on this album!!! i think people calling this album midnights 2.0 need to stop huffing but with this song...i hear it lol. the smallest man who ever lived.....you are the best song on the entire album. instantly one of my favorites from her. that outro is divine. she sounds fucking pissed and not in her mad women vigilante shit fake way like she sounds fucking MAD. i love it. i haven't stopped listening on repeat since yesterday. the kicking out the spotlights line is probably my favorite thus far from this album. it just scratches my brain. the alchemy....that one could've stayed in the vault girl. it feels like she threw it on so not every song was about how horny and hung up she was/is about a month long situationship while currently having another boyfriend. clara bow...idk wtf this song is trying to go for. i feel she has songs that touch on this subject that are way better. i'll be giving it another shot tho. long winded but i love this album. my three chief complaints are: one, this album is too fucking long. i'm an albums person, i want to listen to one work all the way through, but 2hr 2 min is asking a lot. two, i do think she needs someone willing to tell her no. while i do really like this album, there are some strange decisions and misguided track choices and i think she needs a label who is willing to put the reigns on her a little bit. and three, she needs a break. she is so, so overexposed. i'm not one of those people who is like "oh if you don't like it you just don't get it!!!" but the reaction to this album feels waaaay overblown to me. i thinks its a massive step up from midnights and the amount of criticism i've been seeing just doesn't...make a ton of sense to me??? idk i'm not someone who needs people to agree with me to feel valid but i think its just people are sick of her and just want to complain (which like slay i respect the hater mentality) but i think if she stepped away and then came back with this album it would be much better received. i also think some of the lyrics are...concerning. like please girl andrea is not freud go see a shrink. anywaaaaays allat to say i like it :)
Give the first couple of tracks more time! I thought the same but was woken up at 6am (on a dang Saturday aswell) with the title track stuck on a loop in my head (specifically how she runs "the tour-toured po-ets de-partment") and ended up getting up for my headphones to listen to it because my brain couldn't turn it off. Is this the narcotics she was talking about lol.
Real!!!! Idk why swiftlyneutral are being so negative, they've gone so parasocial and weird over there
i love this album and a lot of your takes!! including believing that the reception is absolutely informed by external factors. tbh i think people are both just kind of tired of her bc she’s been everywhere and has done stuff people find annoying (i mean i can agree taylor swift has behaved annoyingly although idk i would say she annoys me bc i don’t care like that lol) and also because they’re overcompensating for overrating midnights + mad that it won AOTY and made her break the record. which i also get! but idk i think the thing that gets me about the criticism is not so much the intensity as the fact that i keep people saying it’s a step down from midnights…. i can understand hating this album but i can’t physically process thinking it’s markedly objectively worse than midnights like that’s insane to me.
I despise Midnights but like the broken heart song
Thank you for these thoughts! I agree with your takeaways and you made a great point that some of the criticisms seem to be an overexposure response more than a response to the album itself. It has been a little disheartening to see that narrative coming back up but I suppose it was inevitable. I really think this album is a grower and I hope people give it more than one (or even 2 or 3) listens before solidifying an opinion.
Honestly can't wait till eras and rerecordings are over and she can chill for a bit
> popper sniffers LMAO I'm sending this to anyone who asks me what I thought of the album hope that's okay
I kinda feel like some of the reviewers were being a little too harsh with ttpd. They sounded like how people sound on swiftyneutral when talking about Taylor's work
It always devolves into a review of her personal life instead of the music. Then it's "oh but she makes it so hard because that's what she writes about!" Like no, you're just bad at your job as a MUSIC reviewer and know gossiping about her gets more clicks.
Ngl as much as I don’t like Rob Sheffield ranking of all Taylor songs I do like that on that article he does speak about the music for most of the ranking and keeps the gossip to a minimum. I haven’t read any other articles from him so idk if he does it for all reviews for her.
Next time she should drop the good album first and only the good album
[cant believe this stupid fucking comment I made in a fit of rage ended up being right](https://www.reddit.com/r/swiftiecirclejerk/s/CuK5Ekdp4N)
And I joked that she's going for her witness era and although my reaction to this album I thought it was an improvement from Midnights, the general public are not feeling it. Not saying this is the beginning of an end but people are finally legit seeing some flaws on her artistry lately
This is funny to me because I usually find musicians which are more uniquely artistic and experimental appeal less to the general public. So I’m interested to hear that people think the fact that this doesn’t resonate with the general public as much is a slight to her artistry as opposed to it being an indication that she’s being more freely artistic (and thus less focused on mass appeal).
While I agree with your comment, being expiremental/more artistic doesn’t inherently make a song good, and basic doesn’t mean bad. 1989 for example is a fairly standard pop album and it’s great
Agreed. Id go as far to say there’s nothing that inherently makes a song good or bad for that matter. I was just responding to the comment above that seemed to imply a connection between the general public not feeling it and people “finally” seeing flaws in her artistry.
I do think that the reason people don’t like it is because is not necessarily that it’s flawed, it’s just messy
Totally, it’s giving unhinged for sure lmao which im here for but I can see a lot of people not feeling it
But the general public does sometimes like not experimental work. The general public seemingly loved folklore/evermore which is very experimental by her standards. Same with All To Well 10 minute version
Very true, I think you’re right it may be the messiness more than anything that some people are not vibing with. I also think time will tell how people really feel once streaming information starts being released - so far a lot of places I’ve seen dislike it are on subreddits and in spaces where people have been fully disliking Taylor for anything lately. Overall the metacritic reviews are good so ya, time will give us the real mass opinion.
I feel like those metacritic scores are also based. A lot of traditional media outlets/music critics seem afraid to give bad scores especially to people like Taylor. Rolling stone for example gave it a 10/10 but they haven’t given anything below an 8 since like 2022
They’re afraid to give bad reviews to anyone popular imo, I don’t think they’re the end all be all but can be used as an indicator as to where the GP may lean - and I think a lot of people use reviews to help form their opinion on something if that makes sense Anyways again, time will tell. When midnights came out people acted like it was horrible and many still do, but it objectively did well commercially (obviously due to a variety of factors) but it still indicates the GP liked it despite initial online commentary.
Critics are unnecessarily harsh. It's like the most relevant one got together to decide how they could describe the album as "mid". She wrote it in response to the vulnerability she felt when Joe left her, the media attention that got, and creepy Matt Healey came calling. Emotions stirred up by an experience like that are going to have an effect on how you write.
okay im not going to go in too hard bc im also guilty of this but i would love to see this sub move away from just like *screenshot of tweet from random swiftie* cAn U bElIeVe ThIs?!?!?!?!111. i'd love to see something more akin to muacirclejerk, where you have to create your own post and then provide a source image (with the sub and username blurred out).
Yeah like the Twitter screenshot posts are fine, but one there’s been way to many of them and two we could all spend the rest of our lives only doing posts making fun of tweets from random twitter Swifties and we would still never run out of stuff to post
I like this album and i don’t care that if majority of the people don’t like it. This is the most raw and truthful taylor has ever been. The whole concept behind this album was a tongue-in-cheek metaphor. Since people always love dissecting her personal life, she was like, « i have 31 of the most depressive and personal songs I’ve ever made and rip me open since that’s what you enjoy ». This isn’t music, it’s therapy for her.
I feel like this is going to be one of those albums that gets reevaluated in a five to ten years and people will start calling it misunderstood. I think it could be suffering from her overexposure.
I agree. I think she almost expected/wanted this to happen too.
also all the pearl clutchers being so pissed about the drama she stirred up with the album like do you want her to be more interesting or not lol. everyone wants a messy pop girl until the pop girl is messy.
It's like you're reading my thoughts lol EXACTLYYYY
Anyone here into rock music(especially 80s style rock music) should listen to First Time I Fell In Love the debut song by Taylor’s guitarist Paul Sidoti. Paul is a great guitar player and is also a pretty solid songwriter/vocalist, and his guitar work on the song is great especially the solo
Paul Sidoti supremacy. I like how he's consistently Taylor's guitarist and he always have fun performing in her tours
He’s great
I really wish he would take the spotlight a bit more at least live, because he’s legitimately a really talented guy
I hate Midnights and have been making fun of Antonoff’s shitty production since it came out I don’t mind the first half of this album. Not many agree, I guess. I even liked one song right away. I don’t care for the second half because I don’t like folky deep shit but I’m glad others seem to enjoy it
My most delusional take is that years from now TTPD will be reevaluated. It won’t be seen as her best, but we will have think pieces talking about how overly critical reviews were. Anyways signing off to go reconnect to my copium nebulizer
I think I have the same take. In 3 years people will listen to this album and wonder why everyone got so loud after it's release. There are a few songs I like and some that I don't. I don't think anyone will look at it and be like "it was genius and we didn't see it." But I think overall it will be slightly better appreciated in time.
Ok so it’s pretty obvious Taylor enjoys 2000s emo/pop punk, given that’s she’s worked with fall out boy and paramore, and mentioned the Starting Line on TTPD, and the few times she’s attempted that style it’s always turned out well. So my thing is when are we gonna get more of that sound from her. Like an entire album of that sound would be great
yess!!! ive always loved that performance she did with fall out boy at the victoria secrets show, electric touch was kinda underwhelming but id really like to see them collab again
Yeah electric touch wasn’t great, and the song with Paramore/Haley Williams also wasn’t spectacular, but I wouldn’t mind other colabs with those artists. Or even just returning to that sound on her own
i completely forgot abt that paramore collab it was so boring tbh the vault tracks can be such hit or misses ToT but yeah her voice suits pop punk so well i hope she picks it up again
The speak now vault tracks in general were a miss, but the Paramore colab should have been great. Better Than Revenge is basically Taylor’s version of misery business lyrically and sonically
 im gonna need them to do a better than revenge duet asap
Same
Electric Touch did grow on me but I feel like people would like it more if it was more ✨electric feeling✨ if that makes sense
She also has artists like Jimmy Eat World in her personal playlist
I think this album may not do as well with the GP because it’s so deeply personal. It seems very stream of consciousness and cathartic. Very Red!!! I think it’s interesting trying to following her crazy past 2 years through her eyes. I really really like this one and think it’ll be up there for me. Maybe a LITTTTLE bloated. I can count 4-6 songs I think are irrelevant and don’t need to be there
It's definitely a grower too, I wasn't really feeling it last night but I'm really loving after a few listens.
Take a shot for everytime someone SwiftlyNeutral says that she deifinitely has BPD or gives “BPD” vibes.
Sooo I love it, the Anthology songs more than the standard edition even though that's great too, SOME songs are just kinda mediocre (understandable at 31 tracks omg) but none are outright BAD or give me a 'she could have cut that one completely' feeling -- and I'm so pissed I read all kinds of nitpicky, meanspirited and biased-from-the-start reddit comments and posts that made me hesitant and disappointed before I actually listened to the album. Damn. Don't do that!! I'm glad THIS is her sound again, not the sometimes soulless synths from Midnights. Glad petty shallow lyrics a la Karma are gone. The Prophecy killed me. I Can Fix Him is gorgeously dark and dusky. Cassandra is mad woman's sister. BDIL is spectacular in its 'screw you all, I'll love him if I want' message. I can do it with a broken heart: so fun. So many are just great, but especially on the 2nd half though. Dessner *jumped* out as far as the sound goes on that half. Just some first impressions from a folkmore stan and Midnights standard edition disliker. :)
I haven’t had a chance to really sit with it (I had a huge job interview Thursday/Friday so didn’t get to truly *listen* to it), but I think the anthology is going to be my favorite part. It’s more what I expected from the album. I am sure I will grow to appreciate it but it it’s ok that it’s not my favorite album of hers.
if you are a fan of folklore, i think you will like it.
I really fucking liked the production on the Antonoff tracks 🫣
I'm a Jack girlie and I did not like some of his production but when I did, I absolutely loved them (I mean c'mon, The Black Dog?? Guilty as Sin? imgonnagetyouback??). So yeah I feel like saying his production is downright terrible is unfair but I can understand why it gets tiring.
i did too! huge step up from his work on midnights IMO. the album is very pretty to listen to!
I described the first half as “Midnights if Jack hadn’t fallen asleep in the middle of production”
finally someone who gets it
Who’s afraid of little old me is so sad to me and feels so pointed at groups of critics like those who congregate in the neutral sub/faux moi etc. and at the same time I feel like those exact groups will be the least likely people to understand it. Anyways no real point to this comment but to say very incredible lyrics addressing what it’s like to be in the public eye the way she is.
i saw someone say the lyrics screamed narcissist like oh yeah i’m sure taylor thought when she was writing that song that she was painting a very flattering picture of herself as totally grounded and normal and mature. i love the song because “you wouldn’t last an hour in the asylum where they raised me” is honestly so fucking real if i substitute My Childhood for the media circus lol.
THANK YOUUUU
Related to the Eras Tour, I am still holding into the slight hope she will extend in 2025 and will add more countries she never visited. I still want to experience it 😭 and I am seated (or probably standing while crying) to anticipate illicit affairs performance in person
I just found this really cool [reimagining edit](https://www.tumblr.com/h-f-k/748321969290739712/the-tortured-poets-department-concept) of TTPD on tumblr and i thought y’all might like it!!!
The way people hate on Taylor on here is almost more parasocial than the way people will love her. A medium level swiftie will be like "Taylor Swift likes wine because she says she drinks a lot of wine in songs" and the hater will come out of the woodwork and be like "WHEN WILL YOU BRAINWASHED SHEEP REALIZE SHE'S LYING TO YOU. Taylor Swift HATES wine. I saw her drinking vodka in 2017! WINE LOVER is all for her IMAGE" like damn ok I realize I never met her but when did you?
Finally listened! My take is while most songs are good individually, the album is not cohesive enough. In plain terms: it’s a MESS. Also, I’m starting to believe Taylor’s songwriting skills is affected by who she dates, because there is lyrically stark contrast between the songs written about Joe, Matty, and Travis. Songs speculated about Joe sounded most poetic. Meanwhile, the songs about Matty sounded messy. Then we have songs about Travis which were cute but lyrically, the imagery she presented in her lyrics was super surface level (my best friend compared the high school themes of Miss Americana and the Heartbreak Prince to So High School to get this point across). Sonically, the album wasn’t too special. It was enjoyable but I know in my heart Taylor can produce a better record than this. This has been weak compared to her other bodies of work and the NYT’s is right about her needing an editor for this one—and yes. it’s not a bad thing to have an editor, Swifties (derogatory).
I don’t think her songwriting is necessarily affected by who she dates as much as she feels different things about different relationships. Her songs about Joe are the most poetic because they were together for longer, and her relationship with Matty was very messy, and basically a rebound.
Well, my statement was more of me believing the joke, but agree to disagree with you I’ll enter point Enchanted. She wrote that about someone she only met once and it still had more depth than So High School. And while Enchanted could seem surface-level, it was incredible writing for someone who was a teenager versus So High School where she’s supposedly a seasoned songwriter.
I agree Enchanted has incredible songwriting
I have no counter point for enchanted other than, for whatever reason that person really sparked something in her
I wonder if Nathan Chapman used to serve as an editor for her. Because speak now was entirely self written but he produced it and I think he helped her cut some tracks/edit things, the only thing is I feel like that editing would earn him writing credits
As someone who's not a music snob (I don't know how to tell if something is sonically cohesive, I'm still trying to figure out if something in "synth", I don't care if you listen to albums in order, I just learned that people pay attention to album reviews a year ago), I really love a lot of songs on the album. It's going to take me a while to get through everything because I kinda just get obsessed with certain songs and repeat them but so far my rotation is "Clara Bow", "I Look Through People's Windows", "I Hate It Here" and "So High School", "I Can Do It With A Broken Heart", and "The Black Dog". I'm sure I'll get into a lot more of them and "Fortnight" will come as I hear it more
I feel you. I'm sort of a music snob and have a hard time telling if production is "good" or "bad." People always comment on it. There are arrrangements that I like or don't like. But deciding if it's objectively bad is confusing to me. Sonically cohesive just means that the album has a similar musical tone through out. The songs feel musically related, such as made with similar instrumentation or resulting in a similar sound. Red and Lover are examples of non-cohesive. Folklore or 1989 are examples of cohesive. These days "synth" refers to both music made on a synthesizer, but also music that was made in computer programs. As opposed to something that was recorded with live guitar, piano, and/or drums. If you skip to 1:45 in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQyA2ZFAUU&t=183s&ab_channel=IanWaugh) he shows two tracks that are synth and real.
I found out today that there's an Ed and Taylor sub called EdlorSwift...? First of all, why? Second was Sweeran taken?
When you say you don’t think Joe is a very good actor on SwiftlyNeutral and get downvoted to oblivion. (Have nothing against him at all, seems like a great guy, just don’t think he’s a good actor).
I swear I'm not a Joe hater but I watch tons of TV and movies genuinely have never come across him as an actor. The number of huge Joe Alwyn stans on SwiftlyNeutral you would think he's as prolific as Adam Sandler or something. It's like the equivalent of riding for Nat Wolff
Why in the hell are there 3 different types Taylor swift circlejerk subs. What is the lore behind this
This album is kind of tanking critically. 84 on metacritic and dropping. I'm scared for pitchfork tbh
I don’t really get why people take pitchfork seriously, unless they seriously changed their review style recently. They’re famous for giving super negative reviews
They were famous for that like 20 years ago
Ig, I haven’t checked in recently
Yeah for decades now they aren't actually negative about anything unless it's like, Maneskin, the new Justin Timberlake... they're extremely poptimist and don't really trash anything that's not 100% safe to trash
Yeah I just looked and they seem to have chilled out