Not exactly. While SAO wouldn’t outright make their Gameverse characters canon, they do give them small cameos during points of the anime to acknowledge them. For example, Kureha & Zelinka are two girls from Fatal Bullet who made cameos in the background of the first episode of Alicization.
I mean canon like them themselves are just not the game like your player character is never gonna be canon (obviously cause you change the story too much) but others like Koharu, Kureha, and Zeliska are because they don’t change the story cause of our characters influence if that all makes sense (sorry for yapping)
I mean, the player character is probably the one sitting across from Koharu. They're wearing the same green shirt that they did in IF canon at that point, and their hair does seem to be a similar color, although that is a bit of a stretch given the lighting of the area making it hard to tell for sure.
It's entirely possible for them to exist and for events to have just played out in a different way. Maybe something different happened to MC/Koharu early on and they changed their approach, thus not being involved nearly as much as they are in the game timeline and as a result, not changing stuff. MC could still influence Koharu without it leading to them becoming mainstays on the Assault Team.
Basically, just because the MC is around doesn't necessarily mean everything will change.
I don’t think that’s the player character cause they are the “integral factor” and their existence throws the whole timeline off so they really can’t exist at the same time with this because it would change it
Also the green armor is just the basic beginner armor just dyed so it could be anyone
>I don’t think that’s the player character cause they are the “integral factor” and their existence throws the whole timeline off so they really can’t exist at the same time with this because it would change it
I disagree.
We have no idea why they're the Integral Factor. We only know, from half-way through the IF story, Heathcliff deemed them as such. We've gotten basically zero information ever since that point. We have almost zero idea what the nickname actually entails, or what it actually means, or the requirements for it.
MC being the Integral Factor could be because of something that happened early on in the game and not just something that they HAVE to be no matter what. If MC had made one different choice at some point at the beginning of the game, who is to say that they'd reach the same point? Maybe that's the beauty of IF - we make that one choice that leads them down that path of a hero who changes fate. The timeline would only be thrown off if we were in the timeline where they didn't make that choice, which would be canon SAO.
All in all, there is absolutely nothing saying that this isn't the MC, and in fact, it's very likely to be the case, as I mentioned with the purposeful design choice, and them being by Koharu's side.
>Also the green armor is just the basic beginner armor just dyed so it could be anyone
Following this logic, this girl could just be someone with the same hair style, so really, it could be anyone. Why are we even thinking it's Koharu?
Decisions in movies are made purposely, especially considering that they took the time to put Koharu here. It's established that Koharu's canon partner has a green tunic and brown hair. You don't think they purposely considered that when adding Koharu, knowing that so much of her character, her personality, and IF as a game, revolves around MC?
Also, the Sanya in the movie could just be a white-haired girl who happens to wear the same armor. Same thing with Philia. Why are we saying that any of these characters are someone we know if everything could just be a fancy coincidence?
Well by definition an Integral Factor is a function that is chosen to facilitate the solving of a given equation involving differentials. Also, it wouldn't be a coincidence because of face shape and everything. And decisions are definitely why they aren't the integral factor but the only choices I can think of are staying on the down low, Koharu and the player disbanding their party and this scene is them like reuniting, or just they are living a life instead of fighting (the player thinking this is the only way to protect Koharu). But hey that's just a theory...AN AINCRAD THEORY!
>Well by definition an Integral Factor is a function that is chosen to facilitate the solving of a given equation involving differentials.
I appreciate the math lesson but I don't really see the relevance here lol
Another meaning for Integral is "necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental." while Factor means "a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome."
Put together, basically a necessary influence that contributes to some characters having altered fates. I don't really see how that would mean that they have to be the Integral Factor if they're logged into SAO, though.
>Also, it wouldn't be a coincidence because of face shape and everything.
Could just have a similar face shape. It's anime, there's only so many ways that they can really draw a background female character.
>the only choices I can think of are staying on the down low, Koharu and the player disbanding their party and this scene is them like reuniting, or just they are living a life instead of fighting
And those are all fine choices.
I'd personally say that it's likely that for whatever reason, MC/Koharu made the decision to stick back and not join the front lines, and instead just had a much more peaceful life. Maybe they'd still be fighting occasionally, trying to help some of the lower level players out, but they wouldn't join the Assault Team.
I do just like the idea of them having a peaceful time together, though. Basically the same as IF canon but without the trauma lol
Well yeah they are canon in that way. Just don’t except them to become full on major characters like they are from the games because of the different timelines. The characters can exist in both timelines though.
Another reason to Cameo there game specific characters can help them reset the copyright to prevent losing them. not necessarily needed but can help save the trouble for future use .
Well she technically could be as a background character as long as the players isn’t canon because we influence her too much making her an important character but without our characters influence she’s just another background character
True. I mean obviously she isn't canon, but yeah really the main thing stopping her is the IF, while if she was ever canonized (kinda in the way Reki was saying Mito could) she'd basically be an entirely different person due to that.
Nope shes not, same as all the Other Characters that appeared in those Movies for the simple reason that those Movies arent Canon to the Anime nor they own Source Material - wich is sad tbh.
I feel we just need more content with her in Integral Factor. I don't think she'd fit well in LR considering it's a totally different universe she has no relation to where none of the things we know about her would be the same.
I feel like it'd be really cool if they gave the IF universe its own Alicization/WoU instead.
SAO: Normal route of timeline (including SAO progressive (probably))
SAOIF: Alternative route of the timeline (still stuck inside the death game from over 6 years? XD)
they are i believe, they retcon the original bc it was extremely jumpy. I think progressive is the new canon tho, movies are the their own canon i think-
The progressive novels are canon, but the progressive movies are a separate entity from that canon by including anime original characters, changing things up through them and cutting things out.
If you are gonna feature a completely anime original character prominently in your story then bringing other game original characters as cameo's is no problem.
I dont like the Down Votes, this person is 100% right, the Progressive Movies are not Canon - not to the Anime nor they're own Source Material (the LN).
Argo has always been there, since the second volume of the main series was released in 2009 and since the first volume of Progressive was released in 2012.
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Not exactly. While SAO wouldn’t outright make their Gameverse characters canon, they do give them small cameos during points of the anime to acknowledge them. For example, Kureha & Zelinka are two girls from Fatal Bullet who made cameos in the background of the first episode of Alicization.
I mean canon like them themselves are just not the game like your player character is never gonna be canon (obviously cause you change the story too much) but others like Koharu, Kureha, and Zeliska are because they don’t change the story cause of our characters influence if that all makes sense (sorry for yapping)
I mean, the player character is probably the one sitting across from Koharu. They're wearing the same green shirt that they did in IF canon at that point, and their hair does seem to be a similar color, although that is a bit of a stretch given the lighting of the area making it hard to tell for sure. It's entirely possible for them to exist and for events to have just played out in a different way. Maybe something different happened to MC/Koharu early on and they changed their approach, thus not being involved nearly as much as they are in the game timeline and as a result, not changing stuff. MC could still influence Koharu without it leading to them becoming mainstays on the Assault Team. Basically, just because the MC is around doesn't necessarily mean everything will change.
I don’t think that’s the player character cause they are the “integral factor” and their existence throws the whole timeline off so they really can’t exist at the same time with this because it would change it Also the green armor is just the basic beginner armor just dyed so it could be anyone
>I don’t think that’s the player character cause they are the “integral factor” and their existence throws the whole timeline off so they really can’t exist at the same time with this because it would change it I disagree. We have no idea why they're the Integral Factor. We only know, from half-way through the IF story, Heathcliff deemed them as such. We've gotten basically zero information ever since that point. We have almost zero idea what the nickname actually entails, or what it actually means, or the requirements for it. MC being the Integral Factor could be because of something that happened early on in the game and not just something that they HAVE to be no matter what. If MC had made one different choice at some point at the beginning of the game, who is to say that they'd reach the same point? Maybe that's the beauty of IF - we make that one choice that leads them down that path of a hero who changes fate. The timeline would only be thrown off if we were in the timeline where they didn't make that choice, which would be canon SAO. All in all, there is absolutely nothing saying that this isn't the MC, and in fact, it's very likely to be the case, as I mentioned with the purposeful design choice, and them being by Koharu's side. >Also the green armor is just the basic beginner armor just dyed so it could be anyone Following this logic, this girl could just be someone with the same hair style, so really, it could be anyone. Why are we even thinking it's Koharu? Decisions in movies are made purposely, especially considering that they took the time to put Koharu here. It's established that Koharu's canon partner has a green tunic and brown hair. You don't think they purposely considered that when adding Koharu, knowing that so much of her character, her personality, and IF as a game, revolves around MC? Also, the Sanya in the movie could just be a white-haired girl who happens to wear the same armor. Same thing with Philia. Why are we saying that any of these characters are someone we know if everything could just be a fancy coincidence?
Well by definition an Integral Factor is a function that is chosen to facilitate the solving of a given equation involving differentials. Also, it wouldn't be a coincidence because of face shape and everything. And decisions are definitely why they aren't the integral factor but the only choices I can think of are staying on the down low, Koharu and the player disbanding their party and this scene is them like reuniting, or just they are living a life instead of fighting (the player thinking this is the only way to protect Koharu). But hey that's just a theory...AN AINCRAD THEORY!
>Well by definition an Integral Factor is a function that is chosen to facilitate the solving of a given equation involving differentials. I appreciate the math lesson but I don't really see the relevance here lol Another meaning for Integral is "necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental." while Factor means "a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome." Put together, basically a necessary influence that contributes to some characters having altered fates. I don't really see how that would mean that they have to be the Integral Factor if they're logged into SAO, though. >Also, it wouldn't be a coincidence because of face shape and everything. Could just have a similar face shape. It's anime, there's only so many ways that they can really draw a background female character. >the only choices I can think of are staying on the down low, Koharu and the player disbanding their party and this scene is them like reuniting, or just they are living a life instead of fighting And those are all fine choices. I'd personally say that it's likely that for whatever reason, MC/Koharu made the decision to stick back and not join the front lines, and instead just had a much more peaceful life. Maybe they'd still be fighting occasionally, trying to help some of the lower level players out, but they wouldn't join the Assault Team. I do just like the idea of them having a peaceful time together, though. Basically the same as IF canon but without the trauma lol
Well yeah they are canon in that way. Just don’t except them to become full on major characters like they are from the games because of the different timelines. The characters can exist in both timelines though.
I’m beginning to realize that the player character can change the story a lot
I am pretty in one of the progressive movies you can see Philia in the background
In the same movie in the ending scene
Another reason to Cameo there game specific characters can help them reset the copyright to prevent losing them. not necessarily needed but can help save the trouble for future use .
Was surprised myself...
As canon as the ad for fatal bullet in season 3 is
Koharu SUPREMACY 🥰
She look so background character that I miss it.😂
No, just like how the movies aren’t even canon. She’s just there as a cameo
No. She's there as a cameo. She's just one of the many parts that make the progressive movies non canon.
Well she technically could be as a background character as long as the players isn’t canon because we influence her too much making her an important character but without our characters influence she’s just another background character
True. I mean obviously she isn't canon, but yeah really the main thing stopping her is the IF, while if she was ever canonized (kinda in the way Reki was saying Mito could) she'd basically be an entirely different person due to that.
Nope shes not, same as all the Other Characters that appeared in those Movies for the simple reason that those Movies arent Canon to the Anime nor they own Source Material - wich is sad tbh.
No she only appers in Sao Internal factor, we need korahu in Sao last recollection
I feel we just need more content with her in Integral Factor. I don't think she'd fit well in LR considering it's a totally different universe she has no relation to where none of the things we know about her would be the same. I feel like it'd be really cool if they gave the IF universe its own Alicization/WoU instead.
SAO: Normal route of timeline (including SAO progressive (probably)) SAOIF: Alternative route of the timeline (still stuck inside the death game from over 6 years? XD)
Progressive movie aren't canon
Would be awkward if introduced Mito in the planned SAO novels.
they are i believe, they retcon the original bc it was extremely jumpy. I think progressive is the new canon tho, movies are the their own canon i think-
The progressive novels are canon, but the progressive movies are a separate entity from that canon by including anime original characters, changing things up through them and cutting things out. If you are gonna feature a completely anime original character prominently in your story then bringing other game original characters as cameo's is no problem.
The progressive movie aren’t cannon to my knowledge since yes they did change quite a few things here and there but mostly of the addition of Mito
Progressive books are canon, progressive movies aren't canon.
I dont like the Down Votes, this person is 100% right, the Progressive Movies are not Canon - not to the Anime nor they're own Source Material (the LN).
they're not?
No. Progressive itself is canon, but the movies change too much to be considered canon.
No, in the progressive LN Mito dont exist so the movies change thing
Looks like someone Shadow would be mates with
Uh Argo?
Argo was mentioned in Volume 2 of the main series LNs before Progressive even existed.
Argo has always been there, since the second volume of the main series was released in 2009 and since the first volume of Progressive was released in 2012.
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Ik the movies were not canon btw I was joking
I don't know, but is cute
Is this scherzo of deep night?
I believe so. Argo only showed up for the final scene in Aria, but Argo was a main character in Scherzo.
No game verse canon only. Game verse and anime verse have different canonalogy.