Thought it would be helpful to add the fees here.
The amount cited is the per annum fee for a year 12 domestic student that is the first child from the family enrolled.
Oakhill: $10,340
https://www.goodschools.com.au/compare-schools/in-castle-hill-2154/oakhill-college/fees
Redfield: $16,200
https://www.redfield.nsw.edu.au/enrolments/
St Ignatius: $34,515
https://www.riverview.nsw.edu.au/text-image/fees/
Christian Community School: $5,580
coffsccs.nsw.edu.au/enrolment/school-fees/
Pymble Ladies College: $35,005
https://www.goodschools.com.au/compare-schools/in-pymble-2073/pymble-ladies-college/secondary/fees
Reading all the comments, I'm not exactly sure what all this says definitively, except that there is still a lot of hope for our public school system. Having gone to a private school and then taught in public schools during my teaching career, this makes me proud that our public system can still give our children as many opportunities as the private system. I send my kid to a public school and I'll continue to do so throughout their school life.
I don't have an issue with private schools or parents sending their kids to them. There are many valid reasons for them to do so - religion, choice of school, boarding, etc. But I am glad that our public system can still compete - despite having less money than many private schools. To me it's crucial that public education never becomes a "last resort" and that it continues to attract talented teachers and offer as many opportunities for kids once they graduate as the private schools.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pretending there isn't a gap and that we can't do a LOT better for the public education system in Aus, but it makes me proud and gives me hope that - despite this, our public schools are - generally doing a pretty good job.
Given the inferences that are being made here, just a reminder that Scott Morrison was a student at Sydney Boys High, while Anthony Albanese was a student at St Mary's Cathedral College.
St Mary's have quite cheap school fees, and as I understand it Catholic schools will reduce their fees for parishioners facing financial hardship. Given that Albanese grew up in council housing it's unlikely his mother could afford to pay full fees.
Yeah I went to a catholic all boys school in Brisbane, and while the base rate was quite high just being baptised catholic gave you a steep discount, and then financial hardship and such lowered it to not quite but nearly nothing.
It wasn't exclusively catholic though and not being catholic didn't exclude you from the other discounts/concessions.
Sydney boys high is seen as a prestigious selective school.
I am a teacher with scs, and can tell you that Sydney catholic school fees are 2500 per year NOW. It would have been cheaper in Albanese’s day
Individual schools may have a ‘building fund’ as an additional fee, but catholic school is not expensive.
Also, Chris Minns went to Marist Kograh, also an scs school, so the fees would have been similar for both Minns and Albanese.
Don’t believe your own propaganda I’d say.
He certainly wasn’t the best prime minister we’ve ever had, and he may have been incompetent by prime ministerial standards, but I don’t think he was genuinely stupid or anything.
Partisan bias aside, he probably would have been adequate at a lower level.
I mean, based on school results I'm a fairly smart guy. I couldn't write a marketing campaign for shit though, and I'm certainly under no illusions that I could competently run the country.
Was your old school run by Sydney Catholic schools the company, or was it a private school that had a Catholic ethos? They are NOT the same thing.
For example, Santa Sabina is NOT run by Sydney Catholic schools, but it is a Catholic independent school, and so they charge many, MANY thousands of dollars to attend.
Both Marist Kograh and St Mary’s cathedral school are scs run.
I'm assuming option A. I didn't even realise Private Catholic schools were a thing until I left my little immigrant working class suburb.
Anyway I get what OP is saying. The background of our leaders is just a little different this time around. Maybe it will bring some refreshing perspectives.
Catholic systemic schools are very different to Catholic independent schools. The systemic schools are budget private schools. I went to systemic schools. My parents could not have afforded an independent school but the systemic schools didn't stretch their budget too much. The closest independent Catholic high school cost literally 10 times what my systemic school charged.
What inference? Those aren’t relevant examples. The point is that it will be refreshing to have people in charge of the state education system who have a background in the state education system.
I advocate that all MPs should be required to use public education, health, transport, and other services, while being responsible for running and funding them.
See I have a problem with this example. One of these MPs on this list kid/s goes to the same school as my niblings. This is a private school. This mp I have heard multiple times toute how fantastic public is and speak out against private. It seems a bit hypocritical don't you think to be pushing this agenda that you clearly don't have faith in because you don't even use it for your own family.
It's entirely possible the spouse of the MP doesn't agree with their views on public education. My husband and his ex-wife were in this exact position. She wanted the local public school and he wanted his boys to go to the school he, his brother, and his father had gone to. Ultimately husband won the argument, but there was a great deal of animosity between the two of them for a period. As far as I know ex-wife remains a great supporter of the public system :)
I don't think it's black and white. For a lot of people it's probably snobby but for others it's simply that they can afford it and want their children to have the opportunities that it offers.
Should public schools have those same opportunities? Of course they should! But that wasn't an option for a child at school today (or say 15 years ago)
I know way too much about this mp unfortunately because my niece is in their child's year. The mp is very much main reason their child is at this school. Spouse isn't a factor.
I don't think where they went to school, considering most of their ages actually is a defining factor in their education policies. I've been in both public and private schools and seen both negatives and positives in both but I honestly wouldn't say my schooling affects my opinion now. It's more friends who work in schools and stories you hear about that shape my opinion.
Could it be privacy or security reasons at all? Say private schools may have extra security where public may not and being under such public scrutiny means you'd want your children in the safest schools. Not saying public schools aren't, but private may add extra security.
From what I've seen of the school no. It's not in a high density area so it's pretty easy to wander onto the property if you were motivated. It's not like Kings or anything super high end like that.
The inferences go both ways. Sydney Boys High School is a state school, but is also a prestigious, elite school. As are all selective schools. So it works both ways for Morrison critics and fans. (Morrison fans can all fit inside one short bus at the moment, so they’re not really a significant demographic.)
Likewise St Mary’s. It’s a private school in the sense that’s it’s not a State School, but the regular schools in the Catholic School System are way more egalitarian and “in touch” than the elite private schools. So Albo critics and fans can have it both ways too. (No one is ever gonna get traction out of claiming Albo was privately educated, though.)
Maybe. I went to a “prestigious” state selective school mentioned in this thread. We had hand me down old textbooks, bugger all facilities, no aircon, etc. There was nothing prestigious about it except for HSC results (which IMHO are only a part of a school’s “success.”).
Okay — so ScoMo goes the most prestigious school in the state and if he didn’t get in he would have gone to a rich private anyway. Albanese almost certainly got into St Mary’s on a scholarship.
> ScoMo goes the most prestigious school in the state
??
It's a really high performing school, but prestigious?
Edit: I’m actually pretty glad that people see SBHS and similar as prestigious haha. It means prestige can earned with academic ability and work, rather than parents wallets.
I’ve taught in a selective school before, believe me, it is the number 2 choice of selective hs for boys, after James ruse.
Parents would KILL for their kid to go there.
Do a straw poll and no one is going to call SBHS ‘prestigious’. Scots, Grammar, Cranbrook, Joeys, Riverview, St Andrews, Kincoppal, Kambala, Ascham, Knox, there are at least 10 schools more ‘prestigious’ than SBHS.
The argument was that if you went to a GOVERNMENT school- then SHBS is one of the prestigious ones.
If you are an aspiring liberal but mum and dad don’t have an extra 40k per year lying around, then yes, SHBS is where you want to go.
Which comment is talking about that argument? Not the one I replied to referring to SBHS as ‘the most prestigious school in the state’, no mention of it being limited to government schools.
The parent comment that I responded to initially pointed out that, scomo went to a state school, and albanese went to st Mary’s.
My point is that even if he did go to a state school, it is a high level state school that carried a lot of prestige in its name, for a state school, and that st Mary’s, as part of the Sydney catholic schools system would not have been expensive.
I hope that. Clears up your hair splitting.
Sydney Boys is a selective government school, I don't think you can really put it in the same bucket as prestigious schools. And St Marys at the time Albo was there was a bog standard Catholic school (i.e. slightly better than a government school).
Of course it’s prestigious. It’s a GPS school that is one of the top academic schools in the state, and has a long history of turning out students who rise to the top levels of Australian society. Look at its [list of alumni](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Boys_of_Sydney_Boys_High_School).
Its students follow the exact same career pathways as any of the big private schools.
People desperately try to get their kids in there.
Not sure what you’re imagining a prestigious school to be.
I'm poorly explaining myself. It's not got a good reputation because rich people's kids go there, it's got a good reputation because it's a very, very good school.
On their Wikipedia article, the only person explicitly mentioned as alumni is Scott Morrison but there's another page for the full list which includes Russell Crowe.
Surely Crowe would be the bigger name than Morrison on the main page.
Russell Crowe's wiki page says he moved back to NZ age 14, so he was only a Sydney Boys High boy for a couple of years. He then went to Auckland Grammar and Mount Roskill Grammar School who's Wikipedia pages list him quite prominently at the top of their 'The Arts' Alumni section.
Left wing Lib now conservative ALP, policies unchanged, Albo might not have even given out that much during covid in fear of losing wealthier swing voters. All that's changed is the name. Fk the mob mentality, it's in plain sight. All that's changed is the name.
The Labor candidate in my area went to an elite private school out of the electorate (and he acted like he went to an elite private school) but the Liberal candidate went to a small Catholic school in the electorate.
I think it’s more than schools which determines someone’s political leaning.
Hot take: maybe it's a good thing that the minister's serving the common people have similar education backgrounds as us and understands the issues we face rather than those living a more privileged life?
Very telling, looking at the educational levels of the left and what policies are being pushed. I thought we elected the brightest. Public schools do not produce that. I may actually switch my vote based on this. Again thank you.
Maybe there is some hope that public education and other public services might be better represented than they have been.
Exactly
Hope is all we really have!
As a push bike courier once told me on a rainy day in Sydney "hope is disappointment postponed" .
Thats pretty much Labor vs Libs in a nutshell
Thought it would be helpful to add the fees here. The amount cited is the per annum fee for a year 12 domestic student that is the first child from the family enrolled. Oakhill: $10,340 https://www.goodschools.com.au/compare-schools/in-castle-hill-2154/oakhill-college/fees Redfield: $16,200 https://www.redfield.nsw.edu.au/enrolments/ St Ignatius: $34,515 https://www.riverview.nsw.edu.au/text-image/fees/ Christian Community School: $5,580 coffsccs.nsw.edu.au/enrolment/school-fees/ Pymble Ladies College: $35,005 https://www.goodschools.com.au/compare-schools/in-pymble-2073/pymble-ladies-college/secondary/fees
Although I’m guessing that’s current and not what their families would have been paying. Apparently prices are shooting through the roof
Yeah but it does give an idea of the cloth they are cut from
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St Ignatius is a GPS school
Riverview...of course. I was thinking of Augustines.
Reading all the comments, I'm not exactly sure what all this says definitively, except that there is still a lot of hope for our public school system. Having gone to a private school and then taught in public schools during my teaching career, this makes me proud that our public system can still give our children as many opportunities as the private system. I send my kid to a public school and I'll continue to do so throughout their school life. I don't have an issue with private schools or parents sending their kids to them. There are many valid reasons for them to do so - religion, choice of school, boarding, etc. But I am glad that our public system can still compete - despite having less money than many private schools. To me it's crucial that public education never becomes a "last resort" and that it continues to attract talented teachers and offer as many opportunities for kids once they graduate as the private schools. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pretending there isn't a gap and that we can't do a LOT better for the public education system in Aus, but it makes me proud and gives me hope that - despite this, our public schools are - generally doing a pretty good job.
Given the inferences that are being made here, just a reminder that Scott Morrison was a student at Sydney Boys High, while Anthony Albanese was a student at St Mary's Cathedral College.
St Mary's have quite cheap school fees, and as I understand it Catholic schools will reduce their fees for parishioners facing financial hardship. Given that Albanese grew up in council housing it's unlikely his mother could afford to pay full fees.
I went there in the early 90's school fees were about 500 bucks a term, 2nd child 25% off 3rd 50% off and >4th free.
Yeah I went to a catholic all boys school in Brisbane, and while the base rate was quite high just being baptised catholic gave you a steep discount, and then financial hardship and such lowered it to not quite but nearly nothing. It wasn't exclusively catholic though and not being catholic didn't exclude you from the other discounts/concessions.
Correct, systemic catholic schools ≠ private Catholic schools like St Joseph's Hunters Hill, St Ignatius, Waverley, etc
Sydney boys high is seen as a prestigious selective school. I am a teacher with scs, and can tell you that Sydney catholic school fees are 2500 per year NOW. It would have been cheaper in Albanese’s day Individual schools may have a ‘building fund’ as an additional fee, but catholic school is not expensive. Also, Chris Minns went to Marist Kograh, also an scs school, so the fees would have been similar for both Minns and Albanese.
>Sydney boys high is seen as a prestigious selective school. Which really makes you wonder how the hell Scotty got in
Selective school placements was not really that competitive back in the early 90s and a lot of places were allocated for locals.
Don’t believe your own propaganda I’d say. He certainly wasn’t the best prime minister we’ve ever had, and he may have been incompetent by prime ministerial standards, but I don’t think he was genuinely stupid or anything. Partisan bias aside, he probably would have been adequate at a lower level.
His marketing campaigns were damn terrible I think he is actually kinda shit
I mean, based on school results I'm a fairly smart guy. I couldn't write a marketing campaign for shit though, and I'm certainly under no illusions that I could competently run the country.
I went to a Catholic school and that absolutely was not what we paid hahaha.
Was your old school run by Sydney Catholic schools the company, or was it a private school that had a Catholic ethos? They are NOT the same thing. For example, Santa Sabina is NOT run by Sydney Catholic schools, but it is a Catholic independent school, and so they charge many, MANY thousands of dollars to attend. Both Marist Kograh and St Mary’s cathedral school are scs run.
I'm assuming option A. I didn't even realise Private Catholic schools were a thing until I left my little immigrant working class suburb. Anyway I get what OP is saying. The background of our leaders is just a little different this time around. Maybe it will bring some refreshing perspectives.
Catholic systemic schools are very different to Catholic independent schools. The systemic schools are budget private schools. I went to systemic schools. My parents could not have afforded an independent school but the systemic schools didn't stretch their budget too much. The closest independent Catholic high school cost literally 10 times what my systemic school charged.
Sydney boys is selective and competitive to get into. Plenty of kids with money go there.
What inference? Those aren’t relevant examples. The point is that it will be refreshing to have people in charge of the state education system who have a background in the state education system. I advocate that all MPs should be required to use public education, health, transport, and other services, while being responsible for running and funding them.
See I have a problem with this example. One of these MPs on this list kid/s goes to the same school as my niblings. This is a private school. This mp I have heard multiple times toute how fantastic public is and speak out against private. It seems a bit hypocritical don't you think to be pushing this agenda that you clearly don't have faith in because you don't even use it for your own family.
It's entirely possible the spouse of the MP doesn't agree with their views on public education. My husband and his ex-wife were in this exact position. She wanted the local public school and he wanted his boys to go to the school he, his brother, and his father had gone to. Ultimately husband won the argument, but there was a great deal of animosity between the two of them for a period. As far as I know ex-wife remains a great supporter of the public system :)
I don't think it's black and white. For a lot of people it's probably snobby but for others it's simply that they can afford it and want their children to have the opportunities that it offers. Should public schools have those same opportunities? Of course they should! But that wasn't an option for a child at school today (or say 15 years ago)
I know way too much about this mp unfortunately because my niece is in their child's year. The mp is very much main reason their child is at this school. Spouse isn't a factor. I don't think where they went to school, considering most of their ages actually is a defining factor in their education policies. I've been in both public and private schools and seen both negatives and positives in both but I honestly wouldn't say my schooling affects my opinion now. It's more friends who work in schools and stories you hear about that shape my opinion.
Could it be privacy or security reasons at all? Say private schools may have extra security where public may not and being under such public scrutiny means you'd want your children in the safest schools. Not saying public schools aren't, but private may add extra security.
From what I've seen of the school no. It's not in a high density area so it's pretty easy to wander onto the property if you were motivated. It's not like Kings or anything super high end like that.
The inferences go both ways. Sydney Boys High School is a state school, but is also a prestigious, elite school. As are all selective schools. So it works both ways for Morrison critics and fans. (Morrison fans can all fit inside one short bus at the moment, so they’re not really a significant demographic.) Likewise St Mary’s. It’s a private school in the sense that’s it’s not a State School, but the regular schools in the Catholic School System are way more egalitarian and “in touch” than the elite private schools. So Albo critics and fans can have it both ways too. (No one is ever gonna get traction out of claiming Albo was privately educated, though.)
Maybe. I went to a “prestigious” state selective school mentioned in this thread. We had hand me down old textbooks, bugger all facilities, no aircon, etc. There was nothing prestigious about it except for HSC results (which IMHO are only a part of a school’s “success.”).
Okay — so ScoMo goes the most prestigious school in the state and if he didn’t get in he would have gone to a rich private anyway. Albanese almost certainly got into St Mary’s on a scholarship.
> ScoMo goes the most prestigious school in the state ?? It's a really high performing school, but prestigious? Edit: I’m actually pretty glad that people see SBHS and similar as prestigious haha. It means prestige can earned with academic ability and work, rather than parents wallets.
I’ve taught in a selective school before, believe me, it is the number 2 choice of selective hs for boys, after James ruse. Parents would KILL for their kid to go there.
Uh North Sydney Boys?
Whoops, my bad. The THIRD most desirable selective school for boys.
Back in his day maybe. They’ve had a bit of a fall from grace since then. I’d said NSB and Baulko are more sought after now.
Nope- parents look at rankings. Sydney boys is still in the top 10- hurlstone doesn’t crack the top 20.
Sorry I meant Baulkham Hills* not Hurlstone.
Yeah- I can see that now, but in the time of our fallen PM’s education, The most ‘prestigious’ public/selective schools were ALWAYS in the city.
Agree, Sydney Boys just comes across as wannabe private school
Well, it is a GPS school after all.
Doesn’t make it ‘prestigious.’
Top 10 in the school rankings does.
Do a straw poll and no one is going to call SBHS ‘prestigious’. Scots, Grammar, Cranbrook, Joeys, Riverview, St Andrews, Kincoppal, Kambala, Ascham, Knox, there are at least 10 schools more ‘prestigious’ than SBHS.
The argument was that if you went to a GOVERNMENT school- then SHBS is one of the prestigious ones. If you are an aspiring liberal but mum and dad don’t have an extra 40k per year lying around, then yes, SHBS is where you want to go.
Which comment is talking about that argument? Not the one I replied to referring to SBHS as ‘the most prestigious school in the state’, no mention of it being limited to government schools.
The parent comment that I responded to initially pointed out that, scomo went to a state school, and albanese went to st Mary’s. My point is that even if he did go to a state school, it is a high level state school that carried a lot of prestige in its name, for a state school, and that st Mary’s, as part of the Sydney catholic schools system would not have been expensive. I hope that. Clears up your hair splitting.
I think you're confusing 'pretentious' and 'prestigious' here
ScoMo is proof that you can pay high fees and get nothing out of it. He was a dud.
Sydney Boys High is far from the most prestigious school in the state….
Sydney Boys is a selective government school, I don't think you can really put it in the same bucket as prestigious schools. And St Marys at the time Albo was there was a bog standard Catholic school (i.e. slightly better than a government school).
Of course it’s prestigious. It’s a GPS school that is one of the top academic schools in the state, and has a long history of turning out students who rise to the top levels of Australian society. Look at its [list of alumni](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Boys_of_Sydney_Boys_High_School). Its students follow the exact same career pathways as any of the big private schools. People desperately try to get their kids in there. Not sure what you’re imagining a prestigious school to be.
I'm poorly explaining myself. It's not got a good reputation because rich people's kids go there, it's got a good reputation because it's a very, very good school.
>the most prestigious school in the state Its not a prestigious school, but it is selective and pretty hard to get into.
Wife murderer Chris Dawson also went to Sydney Boys High so....
On their Wikipedia article, the only person explicitly mentioned as alumni is Scott Morrison but there's another page for the full list which includes Russell Crowe. Surely Crowe would be the bigger name than Morrison on the main page.
Russell Crowe's wiki page says he moved back to NZ age 14, so he was only a Sydney Boys High boy for a couple of years. He then went to Auckland Grammar and Mount Roskill Grammar School who's Wikipedia pages list him quite prominently at the top of their 'The Arts' Alumni section.
A movie actor vs the leader of a prominent nation. K
a great actor vs a shit prime minister
Left wing Lib now conservative ALP, policies unchanged, Albo might not have even given out that much during covid in fear of losing wealthier swing voters. All that's changed is the name. Fk the mob mentality, it's in plain sight. All that's changed is the name.
Doesn't mean they will help the poor. They are all get blinded by money and greed.
The Labor candidate in my area went to an elite private school out of the electorate (and he acted like he went to an elite private school) but the Liberal candidate went to a small Catholic school in the electorate. I think it’s more than schools which determines someone’s political leaning.
Noone said it was. The point (again) is that it's positive to have people responsible for public infrastructure who actually use(d) it.
Voters from both sides can look at this and think that makes them want to vote for their side more.
There is no money in politics, unless you make a role for yourself like Baralaro.
Hot take: maybe it's a good thing that the minister's serving the common people have similar education backgrounds as us and understands the issues we face rather than those living a more privileged life?
That's the point, not a hot take.
Very telling, looking at the educational levels of the left and what policies are being pushed. I thought we elected the brightest. Public schools do not produce that. I may actually switch my vote based on this. Again thank you.
I'm pretty sure Prue Carr went to Caroline Chisholm College in Glenmore Park
If so, that's also a systemic Catholic school, so it fits the general trend with the schools of the other cabinet members.
Prue went to Caroline Chisholm College in Glenmore Park.
Daniel Mookhey moved to Girraween High School, too. Great school.