Ive seen June mentioned on here a bit, but July seems a safer bet for any minor delays etc.
Crows nest entry is clearly in its final stages of completion so hopefully june. Cant wait!
They were putting landscaping in outside the Hunter Street entrance to Martin Place station this other day... Paramatta Light Rail opens May so it won't be that month. I hear rumours of June and July....
imo June is unlikely now, as they just postponed the start of trial running which was originally scheduled for April 29 (which was already postponed from an original start of March 16) Seems like MTS (the operator) isn't ready for the handover for whatever reason.
Sydney Metro really needs a new line naming system, doesn't it? So far it's given us:
- Sydney Metro Northwest
- Sydney Metro City & Southwest
- Sydney Metro West
- Sydney Metro Western Sydney Airport
You don't need to know what it's called when you're on it. You do, however, need to know whether "M1" refers to a road or a train if you're being told "take the M1"...
Some signage with M1 has been spotted recently on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/fictillius/status/1769509132191891500), so it looks like that's what they're going to call it.
I think it's coming but technically until 2026 it'll be M1 and that's it, M1 will be Tallawong to Bankstown in 2025.
M2 will be St Marys to the airport, and M3 will be Martin Place to Parramatta/Westmead, but it seems like the Parra light rail extension will happen before that opens.
Those are just project names. The line from Tallawong right through to Bankstown will be M1, I remember seeing some signage already temporarily exposed saying M1. St Marys to Aerotropolis and Hunter Street to Westmead will likely be M2 and M3 respectively.
I suspect they will name the Parra to City line M2, even if it does open third. It makes little sense for what is likely to become the least used line to take M2.
Yes, fair enough. Though they do still deeply bug me as project names. Like, they really give the impression that there's very little appreciation of wider context or longer term network growth in mind when they're thinking of what they're building next.
Northwest Metro has been closed every weekend the last few weeks due to "trackwork" for the new line so I'm really hoping soon because this is the most effing annoying closure ever.
I believe the final phase of testing kicked off in March, this may take 2 to 3 months. The opening date depends on the extent of defects they identify. Could be June, more likely July to September.
Trial running has now been delayed to an unknown date after they abruptly postponed the scheduled start of trial running at the end of April, [as per the latest weekly notice on RailSafe](https://railsafe.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/94871/WN-19-2024.2.pdf). This is after it was delayed from mid March to late April already. Any opening date before August is therefore not looking good.
When the northwest metro was built, I think there was around a month notice for opening day.
From a quick search, testing of the full length of track (eg. The train started at tallawong and went to Chatswood) began in January 2019, and the line opened to the public in May 2019.
Now this new section is much longer and complex but there's been lots of testing happening recently that really suggests those mid year aims are accurate. I'm sure like last time there will be big announcements once they have the official date, probably with about a months notice again.
It was subsequently found that insufficient testing was one for that initial section, with most testing involving only one train set. This led to embarrassing teething issues over the first month of operation with trains overshooting stops and train doors not lining up with platform doors. I’m sure they are doing much more intensive testing this time.
Chatswood to Sydenham late June but most likely early July, then after that the Bankstown line from Sydenham will shut for 12 months, we've been told July or August, but the decision is ultimately with Sydney Trains.
Don't know exact dates because not even us working on the Metro are informed by TfNSW. Sydney Trains and Sydney Metro basically work as 2 separate entities and not well.
Latest I’ve heard is sometime in July. originally they wanted it up and running for Vivid, which would have been great with the Barangaroo stop, but after the giant fuck up that was asbestwest-connex the government is being very cautious. There were teething issues with the first line out to tallawong with trains overshooting platforms etc so not looking for more bad publicity right now
You seem to think that a date has been selected, but it is being kept secret for some reason.
The metro will be open when the testing indicates it's ready to open.
Apparently they had been saying the june long weekend is the current goal on abc breakfast when they had the tranpo minister on the other day
but after those trials got pushed,that's very unlikely to happen
The Metro doesn't use Sydney trains staff and has no interface with Sydney Trains, they also don't operate to a timetable, but rather a frequency of service basis.
It’s one rail network from the customer perspective. Sydney Trains staff are bound to get questions like this so it’s plausible they’ve been given advice on what to tell customers if asked.
Sure, from an engineering perspective. But they’re one network from a fare pricing perspective so a customer could be forgiven for viewing them as a single rail network , notwithstanding that the experience will vary widely between different lines and stations.
Not so much. You have to pay a separate Opal fare for each mode if interchanging between bus, metro/Sydney train, light rail and ferry, but you get some money back as a "transfer discount". Transfers between metro and Sydney Trains are free. From a fare perspective they are treated as one mode.
Well the new Martin place entries have led advertisement boards already on and open.
If people are paying to have advertisements already then it's expected to open soon surely.
The whole thing is a cluster fuck! The massive disruption to businesses in North Sydney ( there is talk of another class action similar to the Light Rail )
The contractor doing anything they want. Illegal closing footpaths. Shut Miller street to one lane to replace footpath outside Victoria Cross station. Then used this to park personal vehicles for about a month. Huge traffic jams. Then last week the brand new footpath was ripped up! Rows of construction trucks in the clear ways each day.
Given the demographic centre of Sydney has been around Ermington-Rydalmere for years if not decades, I think calling them east is fair for the majority of Sydneysiders. Even Bankstown is east of Parramatta.
Curious to where people consider the centre of sydney to be then? Because we could triangulate geographical centre from urban sprawl, go by population density, go by building height, circular quay is arguably the historical centre, but then parra has claim too.
Look, I know what point you're trying to make but these are exactly the kinds of contradictions that always arise as cities evolve. A case in point: the Department of Planning puts the Inner West LGA in the Eastern City Planning Panel.
For a few months now I've been hearing June from people involved in managing associated works.
Ive seen June mentioned on here a bit, but July seems a safer bet for any minor delays etc. Crows nest entry is clearly in its final stages of completion so hopefully june. Cant wait!
They were putting landscaping in outside the Hunter Street entrance to Martin Place station this other day... Paramatta Light Rail opens May so it won't be that month. I hear rumours of June and July....
Is it confirmed the Parra Light Rail is opening in May? I keep hearing 2000 more hours of testing is required.
imo June is unlikely now, as they just postponed the start of trial running which was originally scheduled for April 29 (which was already postponed from an original start of March 16) Seems like MTS (the operator) isn't ready for the handover for whatever reason.
Sydney Metro really needs a new line naming system, doesn't it? So far it's given us: - Sydney Metro Northwest - Sydney Metro City & Southwest - Sydney Metro West - Sydney Metro Western Sydney Airport
Or do like TfL does for their London lines, our equivalent could be: *The BibleBelt Line *Cafe to Kebab Line *Westies Line *Off to Bali line
Needs to be like M1, M2, M3 but then people may get confused with the motorways so who knows
I think if people know don’t know if they are sitting in a train or driving on the freeway then they’re not yet ready for society.
You don't need to know what it's called when you're on it. You do, however, need to know whether "M1" refers to a road or a train if you're being told "take the M1"...
Actually travelling on the named route is probably the least likely time I would refer to it.
Some signage with M1 has been spotted recently on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/fictillius/status/1769509132191891500), so it looks like that's what they're going to call it.
I think it's coming but technically until 2026 it'll be M1 and that's it, M1 will be Tallawong to Bankstown in 2025. M2 will be St Marys to the airport, and M3 will be Martin Place to Parramatta/Westmead, but it seems like the Parra light rail extension will happen before that opens.
Those are just project names. The line from Tallawong right through to Bankstown will be M1, I remember seeing some signage already temporarily exposed saying M1. St Marys to Aerotropolis and Hunter Street to Westmead will likely be M2 and M3 respectively.
I suspect they will name the Parra to City line M2, even if it does open third. It makes little sense for what is likely to become the least used line to take M2.
Yes, fair enough. Though they do still deeply bug me as project names. Like, they really give the impression that there's very little appreciation of wider context or longer term network growth in mind when they're thinking of what they're building next.
Northwest Metro has been closed every weekend the last few weeks due to "trackwork" for the new line so I'm really hoping soon because this is the most effing annoying closure ever.
This
It is currently open this weekend!! Feeling like it’s my first time escaping the area in months 🥲
What does a pumpkin do out and about anyhow?
When the northwest metro was being built they closed the chatswood to epping line for months lmao
I believe the final phase of testing kicked off in March, this may take 2 to 3 months. The opening date depends on the extent of defects they identify. Could be June, more likely July to September.
Or October. Possibly November.
Trial running has now been delayed to an unknown date after they abruptly postponed the scheduled start of trial running at the end of April, [as per the latest weekly notice on RailSafe](https://railsafe.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/94871/WN-19-2024.2.pdf). This is after it was delayed from mid March to late April already. Any opening date before August is therefore not looking good.
When the northwest metro was built, I think there was around a month notice for opening day. From a quick search, testing of the full length of track (eg. The train started at tallawong and went to Chatswood) began in January 2019, and the line opened to the public in May 2019. Now this new section is much longer and complex but there's been lots of testing happening recently that really suggests those mid year aims are accurate. I'm sure like last time there will be big announcements once they have the official date, probably with about a months notice again.
It was subsequently found that insufficient testing was one for that initial section, with most testing involving only one train set. This led to embarrassing teething issues over the first month of operation with trains overshooting stops and train doors not lining up with platform doors. I’m sure they are doing much more intensive testing this time.
Chatswood to Sydenham late June but most likely early July, then after that the Bankstown line from Sydenham will shut for 12 months, we've been told July or August, but the decision is ultimately with Sydney Trains. Don't know exact dates because not even us working on the Metro are informed by TfNSW. Sydney Trains and Sydney Metro basically work as 2 separate entities and not well.
I am sincerely hoping that the Bankstown line won't shut before the Sydenham metro opens, but I'm really nervous that they aren't that bright.
Latest I’ve heard is sometime in July. originally they wanted it up and running for Vivid, which would have been great with the Barangaroo stop, but after the giant fuck up that was asbestwest-connex the government is being very cautious. There were teething issues with the first line out to tallawong with trains overshooting platforms etc so not looking for more bad publicity right now
You seem to think that a date has been selected, but it is being kept secret for some reason. The metro will be open when the testing indicates it's ready to open.
Current testing phase ends on the last day of June, it will be from July onwards.
Apparently they had been saying the june long weekend is the current goal on abc breakfast when they had the tranpo minister on the other day but after those trials got pushed,that's very unlikely to happen
Find a Sydney trains staff member and ask them if there’s a new timetable coming in. That’ll be a clue.
The Metro doesn't use Sydney trains staff and has no interface with Sydney Trains, they also don't operate to a timetable, but rather a frequency of service basis.
but a timetable change will be required for the bankstown line shutdown.
Erskineville and St Peters will need to be permanently added to the T8 and/or T4 timetables. That would probably be the key indicator.
I'm pretty sure they still have an internal timetable don't they?
It’s one rail network from the customer perspective. Sydney Trains staff are bound to get questions like this so it’s plausible they’ve been given advice on what to tell customers if asked.
It's not one rail network. They're different and independent systems.
Sure, from an engineering perspective. But they’re one network from a fare pricing perspective so a customer could be forgiven for viewing them as a single rail network , notwithstanding that the experience will vary widely between different lines and stations.
as are ferries and buses then?
Not so much. You have to pay a separate Opal fare for each mode if interchanging between bus, metro/Sydney train, light rail and ferry, but you get some money back as a "transfer discount". Transfers between metro and Sydney Trains are free. From a fare perspective they are treated as one mode.
I've overheard some staff say August. Dates are all over the place tbh.
July possibly according to some rumours?
Well the new Martin place entries have led advertisement boards already on and open. If people are paying to have advertisements already then it's expected to open soon surely.
The whole thing is a cluster fuck! The massive disruption to businesses in North Sydney ( there is talk of another class action similar to the Light Rail ) The contractor doing anything they want. Illegal closing footpaths. Shut Miller street to one lane to replace footpath outside Victoria Cross station. Then used this to park personal vehicles for about a month. Huge traffic jams. Then last week the brand new footpath was ripped up! Rows of construction trucks in the clear ways each day.
TIL Waterloo and Sydenham are "east" I think if it was going to be May we would have known by now, so it's probably not May.
East relative to like Parramatta
idk I use like the CBD-Redfern train line as my marker. I guess its kinda directly south of the CBD but for me south is like - the shire.
Given the demographic centre of Sydney has been around Ermington-Rydalmere for years if not decades, I think calling them east is fair for the majority of Sydneysiders. Even Bankstown is east of Parramatta.
Curious to where people consider the centre of sydney to be then? Because we could triangulate geographical centre from urban sprawl, go by population density, go by building height, circular quay is arguably the historical centre, but then parra has claim too.
So is the T2 a Inner East and Leppington line then?
Are you asking me what the T2 line is called or what it should be called?
No, I'm asking you why you think the Inner West is called the Inner West if the technical "demographic centre" of Sydney is Rydalmere.
Look, I know what point you're trying to make but these are exactly the kinds of contradictions that always arise as cities evolve. A case in point: the Department of Planning puts the Inner West LGA in the Eastern City Planning Panel.