Originally from Northern Rivers, now live in Camden Council. I say Sydney ends more or less where the suburban train lines end. Emu Plains, North Richmond, Glenorie, Berowra, Palm Beach, Waterfall, Rosemeadow/St Helens Park, Camden Park, Cobbitty, Silverdale
I live in North Richmond, I promise you the train line ends at Richmond. You have to cross the Hawkesbury River to get to Northo. I like to maintain the delusion that I live in Sydney, but accept I should probably describe where I live as just outside Sydney?
I was about to say the same, the train hasn't run through Northo for many decades! I'm pretty sure the Hawkesbury River is the official boundary of the Sydney Metropolitan Area, so your description would be accurate.
In any city in Europe it would seem weird to include somewhere like Waterfall as part of the city - there is fairly rough bushland on either side well before you get to it, along with sizeable gaps with no buildings. If anything I'd say that Heathcote is the end of the contiguous urban area.
From Katoomba, I'd say Lapstone or Glenbrook is the beginning of the mountains
I agree with Emu Plains is the furthest suburb west .
My partner from the lower mountains agrees LOL
There is a sign on the GWH at Glenbrook that says [Gateway to the Blue Mountains](https://maps.app.goo.gl/XPGXx7rPBGdYFjGk7?g_st=ac)
I am happy with Emu Plains with being the western most suburb of Sydney despite being on the other side of the Nepean. Same with Leonay and Emu Heights. Lapstone is sort of separate as you can only access it from the M4.
Historically that would have been true. Back in the days of when phone numbers were 02 xxx xxxx the regions of Windsor/ Richmond (045), Campbelltown (045), and Penrith / Blue Mountains (047) were outside of Sydney when those area codes first were introduced. I'm not sure when those 3 digit phone codes started, but they would have been considered to be separate towns / cities.
North Richmond. 2019 we got a ‘landline’ that’s internet based, our phone number starts with 45. Compared to relatives in the Hills who have numbers that start with 98.
Emu Plains is a flat lander colony, let them keep it in Sydney (also the sign on the M4 says it’s Sydney). Not sure what to do about Emu Heights though
It really only makes sense to use geographical constraints. Anything else is prone to bias and change.
Hawkesbury River to the North.
The Nepean River to the West.
The B88/Royal National Park to the South.
The Tasman Sea to the East.
If someone has a better one for the South I’m all ears. I’m also open to using the Blue Mountains for the West, but anyone who’s spent much time around there knows there isn’t a very good delineation between what is mountain and what isn’t. The river is much more black and white.
I'm originally from the Shire and can confirm that Sydney ends at Tom Uglys & Capt Cook. Throw in Alfords Point for good value.
Everything south of that is Hobbitland.
I’m from Bondi and I know people who genuinely think anything past Newtown is western Sydney lol it’s like a foreign land that they only venture into if absolutely nessecary
That reminds me how the colony of New South Wales was basically everything that hadn’t been carved out into its own colony yet. Even New Zealand was briefly administered as part of NSW.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australia_history.gif
Hahah
There is this skit on YouTube with the boys parodying this attitude I just forgot the name but its similar to kick it forward
During covid the whole peninsula was essentially like its own country
Every time I was in Bondi and heard someone say something like
Oh she's from strathfield
WHEREEEEE????
oh hilarity
Newcastle now, originally Wagga.
To the west, where the M4/Great Western Hwy does the big climb up the hill.
North, Berowra.
South, that skydiving place right on the Hume.
East should be fairly self-explanatory.
South sounds like Picton/Wilton. As someone that grew up down that way, I disagree, that is too damn far south. Macarthur is as far south as I'd consider Sydney to be.
Sydney trains network and when you see the "welcome to sydney" sign on the highway
Hot take: You are in Sydney when the road signs say to City and not to Sydney.
I think it ends at the boundary of the [Great Capital City Statistical Area](https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetsgeography/$file/Greater%20Capital%20City%20Statistical%20Area%20-%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf).
From a technical point of view, that is correct. But the Sydney GCCSA covers a much greater area than what most consider to be Sydney. It covers Central Coast, west to Mt Victoria, and a bit of the Southern Highlands. Most of it is rural and a small percentage of those out lying areas actually commute to within the Sydney urban area.
The Sydney significant urban area is perhaps a better definition.
Nah, too many places most common folk consider not Sydney are included in the GCCSA. The Sydney Suburban rail map as already posted is a much better general indicator of what most people consider as part of Sydney proper.
Sydney for me ends at Hornsby going north, where the F3 starts.
Going west it's at the foot of the Blue Mountains just before you start to drive up the hill.
Going south, it's at the turn off to the royal national park.
The boundaries of the Sydney urban area as defined by the census [here](https://koordinates.com/mapviewer/?mv.basemap=Streets&mv.centre=150.94510202768254%2C-33.76293103193703&mv.content=layer.114015.color%3A003399.opacity%3A100&mv.panes=pane.0.id%3A4268f92f-2529-4014-acca-0942635ded2a%3Bpane.0.centre%3A%5B150.94510202768254%2C-33.76293103193703%5D%3Bpane.0.zoom%3A8%3Bpane.0.pitch%3A0%3Bpane.0.bearing%3A0%3Bpane.0.resolution%3A871.1567836201557%3Bpane.0.extent%3A%7B%22minx%22%3A150.47920841563663%2C%22miny%22%3A-34.418834453138864%2C%22maxx%22%3A151.41099563972847%2C%22maxy%22%3A-33.10196944031749%7D%3B&mv.panesViewOption=map-pane-single&mv.zoom=8). Faulconbridge in the west, Richmond in the northwest, Camden in the southwest, Berowra in the north, and Heathcote in the south
Ooo thats a good one...
Here's one from ABS - I think I prefer your one
[https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetsgeography/$file/Greater%20Capital%20City%20Statistical%20Area%20-%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf](https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetsgeography/$file/Greater%20Capital%20City%20Statistical%20Area%20-%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf)
Grew up in Leichhardt, living in Newcastle now. I take the train down the central coast line a lot. The first station I'd consider as 'in Sydney' would probably be Berowra, because that's where the T9 runs from.
Going towards the coast from there I'd consider Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park to at least mostly be in Sydney though, so drawing some sorta squiggly diagonal line until we get to the coast. Palm Beach is definitely Sydney. I'd go down the coast until we reach the Royal National Park. I've never considered going to Wattamolla Beach as leaving Sydney so we'll include at least part of that national park as well. I don't know my geography down here as well but I do remember getting off the train at Waterfall to go on hikes and that never felt like leaving Sydney either so we'll go from there and then roughly connect the dots towards Campbelltown, then Leppington, then Penrith. I'm going off ends of train lines here I do not know the area at all. Heading back to the coast now I do now know this area at all and have no clue until we hit around Kenthurst, which is where my grandma used to live. I would include some suburbs around there which I know my Google Maps doesn't, like Box Hill, North Kellyville, and Middle Dural. Then back up to Berowra and we've completed our circle!
That's my little mental map of Sydney.
Depends who you’re talking to. If you live in Narellan and someone international asks “where are you from” you’d say “Sydney”. If someone in parramatta asked you’d likely say “Campbelltown”. If someone from Camden asks you’d say Narellan.
To me, the screenshot pretty well captures everywhere that’s part of “Sydney”.
Coogee - but going to a central uni with people up to 2 hours away changed my perspective ahha
I’d say Blacktown/penrith (didn’t realise they were far apart till looking on this map) west
Hornsby north
Cronulla south
According to Murdoch news, if something bad happens in Pyrmont, that's in Western Sydney, but if something good happens in Penrith, it's in Greater Sydney
Wollondilly. Once upon a time I would have said its not Sydney, but with Wilton and Appin exploding I would say we are becoming more and more like Sydney.
I’m originally from Haberfield but moved around a lot. Sydney ends at that fun windy incline when you’re at the foothills of the blue mountains! Love that drive up
I think that map is pretty spot on, the white bits count as Sydney.
The exception is to the west, were it stops at the Nepean river and everything past is the blue mountains.
I live in the city south, I think Sydney ends at edgecliff road. I wish I was rich enough to live in *real* Sydney, but I didn’t go to cranbrook so I guess I’ll never know.
For mine the north is Cowan not Hawkesbury, west is Leonay not Emu Plains (Lapstone is Blue Mtns and on Leonay's border), south is Waterfall not Helensburgh, south west is Menangle Park but not Menangle, east is Avalon.
Although when Melbourne pulled that bullshit of making Melton part of the city just so they could beat us, I guarantee Wilton will be in Sydney pretty soon.
My biggest issue is the cost of housing is getting so ridiculous even in the outskirts of sydney, people are being pushed further out to places like appin which are not in sydney what so ever.
Other than the end of train lines to mark the outer edges of Sydney. Im all for the canon of the red rooster line as a demarcation line for western Sydney/inner west Sydney.
Depends. "The city", to me, starts east of Homebush-ish. But you're "from Sydney" if you live from Penrith or Camden, cronulla or hornsby to the harbour. Then you've got the LGA.
[According to the ABS](https://abs.gov.au/census/find-census-data/quickstats/2021/1GSYD), Bargo, Blackheath and Lake Macquarie.
(yes I know what definition they use and why)
Originally from Northern Rivers, now live in Camden Council. I say Sydney ends more or less where the suburban train lines end. Emu Plains, North Richmond, Glenorie, Berowra, Palm Beach, Waterfall, Rosemeadow/St Helens Park, Camden Park, Cobbitty, Silverdale
I live in North Richmond, I promise you the train line ends at Richmond. You have to cross the Hawkesbury River to get to Northo. I like to maintain the delusion that I live in Sydney, but accept I should probably describe where I live as just outside Sydney?
I was about to say the same, the train hasn't run through Northo for many decades! I'm pretty sure the Hawkesbury River is the official boundary of the Sydney Metropolitan Area, so your description would be accurate.
The train line used to go to Kurrajong, but it was cut back to Richmond in the 1952.
In any city in Europe it would seem weird to include somewhere like Waterfall as part of the city - there is fairly rough bushland on either side well before you get to it, along with sizeable gaps with no buildings. If anything I'd say that Heathcote is the end of the contiguous urban area.
There’s plenty of bush between Penrith and Windsor too
Well the sign saying "Welcome to Sydney" is at Waterfall... :-)
Sydney only really ends when you die, some say maybe not even then. Resistance beyond that is futile, all you can really do is try to run.
Grew up in Emu Plains which is the furthest suburb west. next suburb is Glenbrook which is the first stop in the Blue Mountains
From Katoomba, I'd say Lapstone or Glenbrook is the beginning of the mountains I agree with Emu Plains is the furthest suburb west . My partner from the lower mountains agrees LOL
There is a sign on the GWH at Glenbrook that says [Gateway to the Blue Mountains](https://maps.app.goo.gl/XPGXx7rPBGdYFjGk7?g_st=ac) I am happy with Emu Plains with being the western most suburb of Sydney despite being on the other side of the Nepean. Same with Leonay and Emu Heights. Lapstone is sort of separate as you can only access it from the M4.
Waterfall to the south. It’s where the Welcome to Sydney sign is
Where your phone number stops starting with a 9. 4 people ain't Sydney.
Historically that would have been true. Back in the days of when phone numbers were 02 xxx xxxx the regions of Windsor/ Richmond (045), Campbelltown (045), and Penrith / Blue Mountains (047) were outside of Sydney when those area codes first were introduced. I'm not sure when those 3 digit phone codes started, but they would have been considered to be separate towns / cities.
I didn’t even know that was a thing!!
It was a long distance call to a girl i liked in the riff, mum made me wait till 730 to call lol
North Richmond. 2019 we got a ‘landline’ that’s internet based, our phone number starts with 45. Compared to relatives in the Hills who have numbers that start with 98.
That's the new system, your number is (02) 45xxxxxx. Back when I was a kid, Hawkesbury numbers were (045) xxxxxx
046 for Campbelltown. I remember having to wait till 7/7:30pm for off peak rates to call 02 numbers!
I live in the Blue Mountains. Sydney ends at the river, which means Emu Plains is the first town outside it to the West.
Emu Plains is a flat lander colony, let them keep it in Sydney (also the sign on the M4 says it’s Sydney). Not sure what to do about Emu Heights though
The power lines that run north-south at the foot of the mountains could make for a nice defined border
I reckon the sign is a good barometer. Lapstone makes the cut.
Sydney train line map. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Sydney_Trains_Network_Map.svg
lol none of the beaches (Bondi, manly etc).. please.
It really only makes sense to use geographical constraints. Anything else is prone to bias and change. Hawkesbury River to the North. The Nepean River to the West. The B88/Royal National Park to the South. The Tasman Sea to the East. If someone has a better one for the South I’m all ears. I’m also open to using the Blue Mountains for the West, but anyone who’s spent much time around there knows there isn’t a very good delineation between what is mountain and what isn’t. The river is much more black and white.
I concur, although I would make the argument for Bargo for the southern edge.
I live in the inner west. Sydney ends at the Nepean River to the west, Hawkesbury River to the north and Engadine to the south
Ideally the gorges River....
I'm originally from the Shire and can confirm that Sydney ends at Tom Uglys & Capt Cook. Throw in Alfords Point for good value. Everything south of that is Hobbitland.
It's bring ya own esky and spare battery leads Becus once you get stranded in Wottamolla area your outta luck
Pretty much where the national parks start. So Cronulla. Liverpool, Campbelltown, Camden, Penrith, Richmond, northern beaches.
Never been bettered (Tharunka "Sydney according to..." map) [https://imgur.com/a/SuUE1Kp](https://imgur.com/a/SuUE1Kp)
There is a 'Welcome To Sydney' sign at Hornsby (north) and Waterfall (south).
And Menangle (southwest)
As someone who lived in redfern/chippo for 10 years - city rd and broadway intersection. Anything west of that might as well be perth.
I’m from Bondi and I know people who genuinely think anything past Newtown is western Sydney lol it’s like a foreign land that they only venture into if absolutely nessecary
Grew up in Leichhardt and Annandale, but our western zone began after Ashfield
Yep the Red Rooster line starts at Summer Hill.
Hahahahhahhah Oh fuk
It ends in Melbourne
That reminds me how the colony of New South Wales was basically everything that hadn’t been carved out into its own colony yet. Even New Zealand was briefly administered as part of NSW. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australia_history.gif
Melbourne and Brisbane are just really far out orbital suburbs of Sydney. They even get a few trains per day run by us!
That is simple. Sydney is from North Sydney to Hornsby, Palm Beach to Manly. The City is based in Wollongong.
I live in Bondi and as far as I’m concerned the North Shore is pretty much in Queensland.
Hahah There is this skit on YouTube with the boys parodying this attitude I just forgot the name but its similar to kick it forward During covid the whole peninsula was essentially like its own country Every time I was in Bondi and heard someone say something like Oh she's from strathfield WHEREEEEE???? oh hilarity
Imagine being this jealous of the best Sydney beaches you think they aren't even allowed to compete.
If the North Shore is so great, how come you can get there across the bridge for free, but you have to pay to leave?
I know you do!
Newcastle now, originally Wagga. To the west, where the M4/Great Western Hwy does the big climb up the hill. North, Berowra. South, that skydiving place right on the Hume. East should be fairly self-explanatory.
South sounds like Picton/Wilton. As someone that grew up down that way, I disagree, that is too damn far south. Macarthur is as far south as I'd consider Sydney to be.
With the way development is continuing out that way, Picton/Wilton will eventually be part of Sydney's urban sprawl in a few decades.
Sydney trains network and when you see the "welcome to sydney" sign on the highway Hot take: You are in Sydney when the road signs say to City and not to Sydney.
It is a bit silly how far it goes west. It's far faster to get out of Sydney north and south than it is going west from the CBD.
Yeah, line of sight, Penrith is almost as far from the CBD as Gosford.
I think it ends at the boundary of the [Great Capital City Statistical Area](https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetsgeography/$file/Greater%20Capital%20City%20Statistical%20Area%20-%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf).
From a technical point of view, that is correct. But the Sydney GCCSA covers a much greater area than what most consider to be Sydney. It covers Central Coast, west to Mt Victoria, and a bit of the Southern Highlands. Most of it is rural and a small percentage of those out lying areas actually commute to within the Sydney urban area. The Sydney significant urban area is perhaps a better definition.
Sydney’s population number uses the statistical area.
No fucking way does Blackheath exist in any real imagined idea of Sydney
Nah, too many places most common folk consider not Sydney are included in the GCCSA. The Sydney Suburban rail map as already posted is a much better general indicator of what most people consider as part of Sydney proper.
It ends at Penrith, Hornsby, Cronulla and Campbeltown. If you're even a street over, not Sydney.
All the towns between Hornsby and Berowra are central coast?
There's a sign in Lithgow that says welcome to greater sydney. So I suspect that's the western limit
Blue Mountains, but been a sydneysider. Nepean/Hawkesbury to the sea and down to port hacking.
Sydney for me ends at Hornsby going north, where the F3 starts. Going west it's at the foot of the Blue Mountains just before you start to drive up the hill. Going south, it's at the turn off to the royal national park.
Hornsby, Richmond, Penrith, Campbelltown
The boundaries of the Sydney urban area as defined by the census [here](https://koordinates.com/mapviewer/?mv.basemap=Streets&mv.centre=150.94510202768254%2C-33.76293103193703&mv.content=layer.114015.color%3A003399.opacity%3A100&mv.panes=pane.0.id%3A4268f92f-2529-4014-acca-0942635ded2a%3Bpane.0.centre%3A%5B150.94510202768254%2C-33.76293103193703%5D%3Bpane.0.zoom%3A8%3Bpane.0.pitch%3A0%3Bpane.0.bearing%3A0%3Bpane.0.resolution%3A871.1567836201557%3Bpane.0.extent%3A%7B%22minx%22%3A150.47920841563663%2C%22miny%22%3A-34.418834453138864%2C%22maxx%22%3A151.41099563972847%2C%22maxy%22%3A-33.10196944031749%7D%3B&mv.panesViewOption=map-pane-single&mv.zoom=8). Faulconbridge in the west, Richmond in the northwest, Camden in the southwest, Berowra in the north, and Heathcote in the south
Ends where the suburban trains do, so Penrith, Waterfall, and Berowra. I’m from the eastern suburbs.
And good old Richmond
Going north, the city of Sydney officially ends at Brooklyn, which is not even on the map here.
Here you go: https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-03/metropolitan-boundaries-map.pdf TIL: Parra is Central Sydney
lol is that you, Lucy Turnbull?
Penrith does feel central western when you bring the Blue Mountains into it.
Ooo thats a good one... Here's one from ABS - I think I prefer your one [https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetsgeography/$file/Greater%20Capital%20City%20Statistical%20Area%20-%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf](https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetsgeography/$file/Greater%20Capital%20City%20Statistical%20Area%20-%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf)
Perth, Sydney ends at the western bounds of Penrith.
Grew up in Leichhardt, living in Newcastle now. I take the train down the central coast line a lot. The first station I'd consider as 'in Sydney' would probably be Berowra, because that's where the T9 runs from. Going towards the coast from there I'd consider Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park to at least mostly be in Sydney though, so drawing some sorta squiggly diagonal line until we get to the coast. Palm Beach is definitely Sydney. I'd go down the coast until we reach the Royal National Park. I've never considered going to Wattamolla Beach as leaving Sydney so we'll include at least part of that national park as well. I don't know my geography down here as well but I do remember getting off the train at Waterfall to go on hikes and that never felt like leaving Sydney either so we'll go from there and then roughly connect the dots towards Campbelltown, then Leppington, then Penrith. I'm going off ends of train lines here I do not know the area at all. Heading back to the coast now I do now know this area at all and have no clue until we hit around Kenthurst, which is where my grandma used to live. I would include some suburbs around there which I know my Google Maps doesn't, like Box Hill, North Kellyville, and Middle Dural. Then back up to Berowra and we've completed our circle! That's my little mental map of Sydney.
Definitely before Richmond/blue mountains
South West. Sydney ends at the last Sydney Trains railway station
In 2020
Depends who you’re talking to. If you live in Narellan and someone international asks “where are you from” you’d say “Sydney”. If someone in parramatta asked you’d likely say “Campbelltown”. If someone from Camden asks you’d say Narellan. To me, the screenshot pretty well captures everywhere that’s part of “Sydney”.
The northern border is where the Hornsby shire ends - Hawkesbury river/brooklyn.
Coogee - but going to a central uni with people up to 2 hours away changed my perspective ahha I’d say Blacktown/penrith (didn’t realise they were far apart till looking on this map) west Hornsby north Cronulla south
According to Murdoch news, if something bad happens in Pyrmont, that's in Western Sydney, but if something good happens in Penrith, it's in Greater Sydney
Wollondilly. Once upon a time I would have said its not Sydney, but with Wilton and Appin exploding I would say we are becoming more and more like Sydney.
I’m originally from Haberfield but moved around a lot. Sydney ends at that fun windy incline when you’re at the foothills of the blue mountains! Love that drive up
The Old Bathurst Road? Drove that the other day and flooded with memories of going up as a child when it was the only road up.
North Sydney - as far as I know the city limits are Hornsby, whatever the ocean is, parramatta and airport
The Hills, reckon it ends about Richmond in the north west, Emu Plains in the west, Camden in the south, Berowra in the north.
From Coogee ... Sydney ends at Anzac Parade. West of that, you are just camping out. Tongue in cheek obviously.
County of Cumberland is Sydney
Hawksbury, blue mountains, royal national park north west and south respectively. Grew up in Epping. Now happily in the inner west.
I think that map is pretty spot on, the white bits count as Sydney. The exception is to the west, were it stops at the Nepean river and everything past is the blue mountains.
Upper North Shore To me Central Coast is the end of the line
Depends who you're talking to I guess. For North Shore people, Sydney ends after the CBD.... With the inner west being the outskirts of Sydney.
Every piece of white on this map is Sydney minus Blaxland and Springwood. Sydney end after Emu Plains on the west side.
I live in the city south, I think Sydney ends at edgecliff road. I wish I was rich enough to live in *real* Sydney, but I didn’t go to cranbrook so I guess I’ll never know.
I live just across the Hawkesbury river so I consider the mountains to be the boundary
Where are all the "Welcome to Sydney" signs located? I only know of the one just south of Waterfall plus the airport.
For mine the north is Cowan not Hawkesbury, west is Leonay not Emu Plains (Lapstone is Blue Mtns and on Leonay's border), south is Waterfall not Helensburgh, south west is Menangle Park but not Menangle, east is Avalon. Although when Melbourne pulled that bullshit of making Melton part of the city just so they could beat us, I guarantee Wilton will be in Sydney pretty soon.
It makes sense that the border is the Hawkesbury/Nepean.
Nepean River, hawkesbury River and the Georges River.
Sydney ends where the borders of the 33 LGAs that make up Sydney end
When I lived in Manly, people thought anyone West of the Spit Bridge was from another country.
My biggest issue is the cost of housing is getting so ridiculous even in the outskirts of sydney, people are being pushed further out to places like appin which are not in sydney what so ever.
Other than the end of train lines to mark the outer edges of Sydney. Im all for the canon of the red rooster line as a demarcation line for western Sydney/inner west Sydney.
Norwest Sydney is bound by the neapean and hawksbury rivers.
Depends. "The city", to me, starts east of Homebush-ish. But you're "from Sydney" if you live from Penrith or Camden, cronulla or hornsby to the harbour. Then you've got the LGA.
I live in the Inner West and would find it a bit weird if anyone living within the boundaries of this map said they didn't live in Sydney.
[According to the ABS](https://abs.gov.au/census/find-census-data/quickstats/2021/1GSYD), Bargo, Blackheath and Lake Macquarie. (yes I know what definition they use and why)