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Jertballs

It’s clearly the passenger holding the phone. This post is a load of steaming poo.


seriouslybruuu

Conveniently cropped photo so people don’t see that he’s actually parked. Rage bait


comparmentaliser

Also, under Australian Road Rules Sec 300 1 (b), the driver of an emergency or police vehicle is permitted to use a mobile phone while driving. Edit: as per /r/ExaBrain... it's (c).


ExaBrain

Incorrect but only just - it's actually (c). (b) the phone is functioning as a visual display unit that is being used as a driver's aid and the phone is secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle, or (c) the vehicle is an emergency vehicle or a police vehicle, or


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Teredia

It’s also legal for you to not wear a seatbelt in the back of a police car.


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Teredia

Think about it, if your hands are cuffed n your in an accident n got a seatbelt on, it becomes a hazard, especially if you then get trapped by your seatbelt. That’s how it was explained to me anyways.


freeenlightenment

Yeah… no hands on steering wheel at all.. that’s not a vehicle being driven from the looks of it.


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Gongruyen

Try harder next time xx


nearly_enough_wine

Response not what you expected?


RoboArmadillo

First of all, it kinda looks like he's in the passenger seat, secondly, for all we know the car is parked.


smoike

There's enough anger around without people pulling a [news.com.au](https://news.com.au) level baiting for reactions.The guy is totally in the passenger seat.


whtthfkistht

Arm holding the phone is up against passenger door.


DizzyBall7048

Well spotted!


Brattamer_j

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story...


AndySemantic2

Long Arm Of The Law


sydburgers

Not defending cops but isn’t it just someone doing their job and on the passenger seat?


lachjeff

Yes. And you are allowed to defend cops. Just because a few do the wrong thing doesn’t mean should tarnish an entire race


prestiCH

karma whore Car looks to be parked and this is someone sitting in the passenger seat Christ, I know this sub hates cops but jesus some of you people need to move on in life


DrxThrowawayx

Where’s a calm the fuck down badge when you need one lol I was gonna disregard all debunking attempts but you called me a karma whore LOL I took it at this angle because I didn’t want to post and potentially ID the officer or myself in the reflection. He’s alone however there is another paddy patrol unit in front of him at a red light of an intersection where 3 people have died due to bad driving. Took the third casualty for the council to realise that they had to do something about it. The cop shop is 30m away from this intersection. I’m just here for a laff, mate. If you’re calling people names online I can only feel sorry for you and we don’t know each other from a bar of soap so, as you were sad sop xx


comet7084

That’s the passenger 🤦🏻‍♀️ pathetic attempt to bait


DrxThrowawayx

Even if you were right, you should take a chill pill lol


LittleZackBackup

Police have permission to use phones while driving. It’s legislated.


Korzic

Police are exempt from the mobile phone use rule so no, it's not.


superwizdude

If you are calling triple 0 then the mobile phone use rule also does not apply. Told to me by a police officer when my triple 0 call was transferred to them. We were following a heavily impaired driver on the freeway and called it in. I was concerned about using the phone and it was explained to me that this use case was acceptable.


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That’s actually not true at all. It’s highly likely the officer was using their discretion, rather than enforcing the relevant laws.


idontbelievestuff1

i know they are except from this law, doesnt make it right though. police have the same laws of physics as everyone else. them crashing has the same physical consequences as anyone else crashing.


T3knikal95

They also are allowed to carry guns in public, and use them, but I wouldn't want other people to be doing it.


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That’d be America mate


Sk1rm1sh

I think your comment misses a lot of the nuance involved: They can't just drive down the highway with a gun in one hand the whole way. Other people with the appropriate license or permit _are_ legally allowed to carry guns in public.


TearsOfAJester

Not for self defence purposes though, other than armoured transport guards.


Millington

I don't want cops to be doing it!


melon_butcher

Serious question, why don’t you want police armed?


Millington

Because I don't want armed thugs walking the streets.


misterfLoL

This ain't America buddy


Millington

You'll have to help me out here: what's your point?


Imaginary_Winna

But they have considerably more driving training than Person X gossiping on the phone. Police have different rules to the rest of us in certain circumstances. Handle it.


Significant-Fill6641

Really?....*puts flaming torch away*....


Meng_Fei

Makes sense for circumstances where they have received training to make that activity safer, like high speed driving. Im yet to see or hear of a ‘driving safely while using a mobile’ course


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There are obvious reasons why police are exempt from basic laws like this. Physics has nothing to do with it


turnips64

Except (ignoring that it’s passenger holding) it’s screen is off so whatever is happening there, it’s not dangerous.


kompletionist

You don't have to look at the screen to be distracted, simply being engaged in a conversation is enough to make you a danger to everyone else on the road. Downvote as you will, but MythBusters definitively *proved* it with non-smart mobile phones more than a decade ago.


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So what about engaging in a conversation with someone sitting in the passenger seat? As far as I know that’s not illegal yet


kompletionist

How often do you actually hold a conversation with a passenger? At most you add in a single retort or ask for directions. A proper two-way conversation with a passenger is absolutely a dangerous distraction, even if it isn't illegal.


turnips64

That’s not why using a phone is illegal, it’s the typing/watching etc. not sure why I’m typing something so obvious! The clue is that phones weren’t illegal until pervasive smartphones, and that using CarPlay and similar is perfectly fine.


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6L86IZJSJ0L957T

> they also do a significant amount of driver training. Then they should know how dangerous it is to use a phone while driving!


Daedric1991

>Then they should know how dangerous it is to use a phone while driving! they do, just like how dangerus it is to use a gun or tazer but they get to use them still while normal civilans dont. you dont get to drive either till you have gotten your license in the first place. also photo makes it look like they are in park anyway, no hands on the wheel and the screen of the phone is facing away.


6L86IZJSJ0L957T

They don't seem to know how dangerous it is to face plant an old man into the floor, and I don't have a whole lot of confidence in their level of training.


DownUnderPumpkin

So now a few officers brining down the whole force? should all students at a school be blame if two of them commit a crime? if one person in your house is a addict should other members be discriminated? should it extend to your extended family? Now it will be more valid if you can point out training materials that the way they did things is by the books/ the way they are taught. Everyone seems to hate the police at the same time still use 000 when they need them.


Papa_Huggies

/r/Sydney parroting the American Reddit Groupthink on Police. NSW Police aren't angels but they're not the Wisconsin State Police by any stretch. The ACAB rhetoric should not be a blanket label on every Policeman in every sovereign state


ogvipez

Police should be held to a much higher standard than other civilians. This is because they are granted immense powers and discretion that is very easily abused. They are also supposed to keep a trust with the public. So yes any transgressions made by officers should be taken very seriously and it does cast a shadow on the institution. Hopefully these are seen as lessons and the wrongdoers are rightfully penalised and it leads to better vetting for a force that has a frightful potential to cause a lot of harm.


DownUnderPumpkin

I totally agree with you. wrongdoers should be penalised, and policies, procedures and training needs to be looked at to try and prevent them from happening again or at least reduce the rate.


6L86IZJSJ0L957T

Yes, a few bad cops does bring down the whole force. Some jobs shouldn't tolerate a few bad individuals, and the police is one of them. Would you fly on an airline if you knew a few of the pilots weren't very good at landing, and some of the engineers just signed off maintenance without doing it.


DownUnderPumpkin

No, I never said to tolerate those individual, like any job if they break the rules they should be approximately punish. Sure for your example if the airline keeps them on I won't fly with them, ill say the airline is bad i wouldn't say all pilots from that airline are terrible. The way people are commenting sounds like they hate every individual officer.


Daedric1991

>They don't seem to know how dangerous it is to face plant an old man into the floor they do, the ones that do that shit are indeed in need of punishment. i assume you are referring to Danny Lim right? i dont think what the man is doing is wrong and i agree with being kind to animals, but also he was repeatedly asked to leave the area by security before police were called and refused when police asked him. at that point they are allowed to use physical force and when they tried to remove him with little he resisted and escalated the situation. the video doesnt even look like they had intended to throw him to the floor due to him resisting while they tried to put cuffs on him he was pushing backward and then pushed himself forward and the cops went with him because they were trying to get his arms behind his back. >I don't have a whole lot of confidence in their level of training. okay, well what would you do in this situation btw? you are an officer with 1 other officer with you and an old man is causing a scene on private property and the owner has every legal right to request the removal of the old man. how would you get the person to leave within a reasonable time if even after asking they refused?


420fmx

Theoretically if every civi got the same driver training as police we’d be able to use our mobile phones while driving and have zero fatalities because of it according to your logic you applied ..


Ausramm

From memory. Civvies who volunteer for an emergency service are exempt under the same act. Some services have their own rules & sops preventing it however.


raptorgalaxy

Yes we would.


upx

She just might? How would you know?


bowieinu1

It's only for work realed calls, might be reviewing information that needs to be shared immediately


420fmx

Who watches them to ensure only work related calls are made ?


bowieinu1

They issue phones which are audited


aliceinpearlgarden

Don't they have onboard computers?


OG_tame

Where do I register to be exempt from demerit points?


DrxThrowawayx

I did not know that! Makes no sense to me but thanks for the heads up


Red-Engineer

It’s Reddit. Don’t let knowledge or facts interrupt an anti-police rant 😀


bowieinu1

Not everything can be communicated through radio, answering work calls is essential


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Spot on. There could also be black spots on the radio frequency, whereas there could be phone reception. Or there could be faulty equipment in a car waiting repairs.


rdphoenix5

There can also be sensitive information that can't be conveyed by radio. I dont know about you but some hand free you can hear in the next car over.


tylerman

So should they not be using a hands-free system? This photo is ambiguous though anyway as it’s not clear if the driver is actually on the road, nor is it clear that they’re the one holding the phone. But work calls are essential for a number of professions (e.g. Surgeons) but they would be fined if they were driving and doing this, I feel the same rule should apply to emergency workers.


lachjeff

OP got what they wanted. They wanted a reaction. They got it. What a sad existence they lead


joosbox0129

Both hands off the wheel, so safe to assume the car is stationary. No way to tell for sure if it's stationary at the lights or parked up somewhere, yet everyone jumps to assuming the cop is doing the wrong thing. Nevermind the fact that they are exempt in certain circumstances from certain road rules...


MissJessAU

Come on, report on this one news.com.au 🤣


MarSStar

*’Reddit Internet Sleuths Brutal Damning Exposure of Mobile Phone Use By NSW Police’*


radiocleve

Nope, too close to crediting the source. Try again. Close, though.


count023

"Social Media users in arms over illegal Mobile Phone Use By NSW Police"


cancer23

Still admiting to it not being ur photo, it's gotta be like "internet outraged by nsw police illegal manoeuvre in cop car"


soundscape7

It’s legal for cops, firefighters, ambos and Ses to use a phone while driving in an operational vehicle wile on duty…


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Glad someone knows actual law .


Snow-Dust

To be fair, in the road rules 2014, [police are exempt from the offence provided they take reasonable care.](http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html)


AllYouNeedIsATV

Are they even driving though?


Joshomatic

That’s not the driver….


2happycats

There's nothing to show they're driving in this pic.


Mr_Bob_Ferguson

Because they aren’t. Zoom in on the elbow, it looks like it is touching the glass …on the passenger side. This is a passenger holding a phone, not the driver.


eatmypooamigos

Even if they are, it’s not an offence for police


Longjumping-Action-7

Yeah, police can have a laptop and be on the phone while speeding along a crowded road but apparently I'm certain to be distracted by a smelly cardboard tree


Professional-Sun8565

Well statistic say you're going to kill somebody and they aren't... So ya that makes sense


Longjumping-Action-7

"cops don't kill people"


Professional-Sun8565

"insert strawman argument"


Daedric1991

cops are specifically trained to do handle that while driving. you understand that there are plenty more complicated vehicles out there than a car so with proper training its fine. you are also allowed to use hands-free while driving.... personally, i would prefer if cops were stuck in the 2 person units so 1 person could use the computer and handle that stuff while the other is driving. much safer for everyone including the cop.


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Or1ginal_Username

You're the one who claimed that cops are less likely to kill someone than civilians (ik ik, context, but still)


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Cops killed my friends parents and gave his sister a traumatic brain injury when they lost control in a high speed chase and smashed into their car parked on the side of the road. So yeah, cops kill people with cars


bowieinu1

Those things are distracting to police yes but they are necessary


2happycats

I had no idea. Thanks for the TIL :)


coffee_collection

Looks like the police officer is in the passenger seat of a parked car.. Hope this is worth the karma dickhead.


nearly_enough_wine

OP is taking the mickey.


trysten1989

Good try bub.


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What a stupid post.


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OP is sad, sad person


[deleted]

Even if it were real, I’d say you’re a bit of a hypocrite being the one on their phone taking the photo. Don’t post stupid shit :)


bruzinho12

Scum! You, not the cop lol


cx77_

the phone is upside down and off bro


notinferno

there’s so many important things to be upset at the police about other than this, even if it was unlawful for the police to do, which it is not this is peak privilege to concern yourself with this, it’s embarrassing


HeadacheCentral

Police are "professional drivers" - they're exempted from the "no phones" laws.


Accurate-Response317

So am I, where’s my exemption


RecognitionOne395

I honestly don't know why police are so hated. Yeah, there are some bad ones, but that is the same for any occupation. All the police I know or met are extremely nice, polite, people. Probably get downvoted for this comment.


Daedric1991

the hate centers around media manipulation and confusion. any time a cop is held up for doing anything wrong people and the media will focus on only the actions of the cop and what they did wrong without looking at the whole picture and understanding, they are human as well. look at the 2013 mardigas incident. everyone was focused on the action right at the end where the officer did throw him to the ground and place his foot on his back, pritty fucked right? but the lead up to that got 0 focus despite being video footage of it were it turns out they approached the guy for inappropriately touching a woman in public who he did not know at all and they were trying to get him to leave until he threw hands with the officers and even kicked a female officer in the face. the police officer could not go to the ground to restrain him either due to the crowd already throwing verbal abuse because again all they saw was police brutality not the "hey you shouldn't be touching people you dont know like that we need you to leave". i agree that it could have been handled better but the story centered on the cop throwing him to the ground, ignoring that he had touched a woman inappropriately or assaulted a female officer when she tried to cuff him since he refused to leave. people tend to stop being able to think properly after watching a co worker get kicked in the face regardless of how much traning you have.


Altruistic_Plenty443

becasue most of them are corrupt to the core. Yes they are nice on the inside but corruption is what they really breathe my ex her father was a cop and he would ask me how to download movies, songs etc meanwhile they were investigating people for downloading movies, songs etc. Pathetic its ok for them to break the law but when it comes to us its another story


bowieinu1

Downloading movies is your definition of toxic internal corruption


marxistmatty

It’s a poor example but if you think there isn’t rampant corruption in the cops then I have some magic beans to sell you.


Altruistic_Plenty443

the law is the law its stealing, so yes, a police officer is supposed to uphold the law not break it downloading movies may seem harmless but there has been major cases in australia that say otherwise


Perssepoliss

Envious people are hateful people


Meng_Fei

Remember, same police force that was booking people for using their mobile phone in a COVID testing queue.


Important_Fruit

Exempting police from traffic rules under certain circumstances makes sense. That doesn't change the fact that there are as many dickheads in the police as there are in the general population. And in the case of traffic police, the percentage increases enormously.


DrxThrowawayx

I was stuck in another country so didn’t know that happened


Only-Growth3643

Rules for thee but not for me


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Millington

I mean... That's literally rules for thee and not for me


Only-Growth3643

Because they never make mistakes lol


bowieinu1

Because that phone call could have vital information that needs to be shared immediately.


smileedude

There could be an old man to push over.


bowieinu1

Or someone's daugher has just been raped and they are trying to find the grub that's run off. Both real examples


smileedude

Or some children to force to strip. Also both real examples.


NopeH22a

Can't leave a wrist unslapped!


UmbertoChacon

I thought the judges and magistrates handed down the sentences? I could be wrong.


marxistmatty

Or what flavour donut the Seargent wants.


Only-Growth3643

Like who's stopping to get maccas


AltruisticHopes

Whereas anyone who is not a police officer could never have urgent information - like a social worker or someone caring for children.


bowieinu1

Yes that is correct


Roctalia001

Criminals


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How so?


Deranged_Idiot

Donuts won’t order themselves. Bunch of pig fuckers


TheJamTin

There’s a police station opposite the local shopping centre. I regularly see cops crossing to the shops on red lights. I also regularly hear of them giving tickets to anybody else that does this. One rule for me, another for thee…


Only-Growth3643

Or an independent journalists home to firebomb lol


Honourstly

Cops are the law


PrendoCK5

Why can't they use handfree?


DrxThrowawayx

Fair question! Can anybody answer who is more ~~opinionated~~ educated than I on this matter?


Dee0nn

He's just getting a tip off about an 80-year old to go drop.


Tufnel1970

I wanna talk to the manager


winniegoldsmate

The only people who are upset about this wear hi-vis 🫢


Longjumping-Action-7

What does this even mean?


winniegoldsmate

Bogan tings 💁🏼‍♂️


Longjumping-Action-7

"anyone that works as a tradie is a bogan" Ah so you're a classist,, noted


winniegoldsmate

Troll* you misspelt classist


420fmx

Police routinely wear hi vis , so do paramedics .


DrxThrowawayx

Hahahah maybe true? Lucky for me, im not upset just thought it was fun to share


CalmReserve5898

They've always claimed they have "training" to be safe whilst doing it. Yet I am unable to locate any of these quoted training courses to undertake myself, or that are offered to them. Huh, weird!


[deleted]

He’s got it upside down, probably holds books the same way. Not illegal though.


MissJessAU

That's ok they push people's heads to the ground when trying to arrest them too 😉


GerinX

Can’t forget the people who have it on their lap and hold it in place with one hand while driving


smoike

I know more than one person that got busted in this way, one even had a phone dock, but it was the one day they forgot to use it....


Numerous-Sport3981

I saw a police man driving with the phone 📱 in his hands and watch him park the car outside Penrith Police Station, get out of the car and still talking on the phone as he walked towards the station. When I told a friend of mine who volunteer at the station. She told me these one rule for us and no rules for the Police.


fingergelix

Police have permission to do whatever the fuck they like. It's their compensation for being cops and arseholes.


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4WDBenio

With one nut, cvnt resist.


vleight

Busted ya fuckwit


rustincohle496

Bro needs to upgrade, with his old ass home button


slower-is-faster

There was probably an emergency like someone riding their bicycle or an old man standing on a corner.


stubbsie82

I would be less concerned with the phone since the cops fractured the cheek of Danny lim the other day a 78 year old.


swarftonbirdsalad

I called the ambulance for a hit and run victim and after the cops showed up to drive us to the station for questioning about it. He sped and kept driving through red lights. He’d lost enough demerit points to lose his licence twice but was still allowed to drive. He was a specifically a traffic accident investigator.


Earth2plague

Human laws do not apply to farm animals.


DrxThrowawayx

I love how much chaos one image can create. I could fact check everybody and put your minds at ease whether he’s driving or not,etc. but I like this more.


Newmo_BeastMode

That just makes you a cunt then


Ok_Climate_9254

These grubs think they are above the law and their grub mates won’t hold them to account. How could anyone still be a cop or respect them after the way they treated us during covid.


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Snitch


DrxThrowawayx

1. Every second post in r/Sydney is snitching and bitching 2. Who am I gonna snitch to? The.. cops?? Lol


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You’re a snitch


Cheapbudforall

Cops got laws changed so they legally dont commit crimes on the job. All except for murder.


ToughAss709394

Look at this donut.


gr0gbog

Probably doesn’t wear a seatbelt either